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Killer con 'cooks heart' of gorgeous neighbor, serves with skillet potatoes. Grand Jury impaneled in the new year. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Cannibalism. When many people think
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Speaker 1: of cannibalism, they think of some group of people far
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Speaker 1: away on another continent that may still practice cannibalism. You
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Speaker 1: may see it on a ride at Disney, but the
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Speaker 1: reality is that cannibal killers are part of American history,
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Speaker 1: going all the way back to the Gray Man, one
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Speaker 1: of the most notorious cannibal killers right here in the US. Sadly,
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Speaker 1: it's not just about movies and books and rides at
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Speaker 1: Disney or somewhere else. It's real and there are real
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Speaker 1: victims and real victims, families still reeling and shock. And
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Speaker 1: that leads me to suspect Lawrence Anderson. Modern day cannibal killer.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Chicken Shape. Police getting a
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Speaker 1: nine one hang up call from someone in this home
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Speaker 1: of Minnesota Avenue after eight last night. When they got there,
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Speaker 1: they tried to make contact with the people inside the home,
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Speaker 1: and when they approached the front door, they heard someone
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Speaker 1: calling for help. Broogard Bittman with OSBI says authorities forced
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Speaker 1: their way inside the home and found four people with
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Speaker 1: stab wounds. Sixty seven year old Lyon Pie and his
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Speaker 1: four year old granddaughter found dead. The four year old
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Speaker 1: was there visiting grandparents, which were the Pies. Leon's wife, Delcie,
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Speaker 1: was transported to the hospital with non life threatening injuries.
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Speaker 1: What happened inside that home? And how does cannibalism or
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Speaker 1: cannibal killers fit into the scenario? With me an all
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Speaker 1: star panel to break it down and put it back
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Speaker 1: together again. Levipage Crime online dot com investigative reporter. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Priya Banerjee Assistant medical Examiner, Rhode Island Board certified forensic
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Speaker 1: pathologist and you can find her at Anchor Forensic Pathology
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Speaker 1: dot com. Jeff Cortesi, former FBI Special Agent at Jeff
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Speaker 1: Cortesi dot com. Doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensic psychologist and boy,
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Speaker 1: do we need a shrink who specializes in capitol mitigation
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Speaker 1: and victim outreach and you can find her at panther
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Speaker 1: Mitigation dot com. Tim Kaine a renowned trial lawyer joining
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Speaker 1: me out of Oklahoma City. He is the family lawyer
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Speaker 1: for the Blanketship family and he practices practices with Wilson
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Speaker 1: Kine Aquaviva joining me also as a special guest. The
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Speaker 1: daughter of one of the victims joining me is Helly
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Speaker 1: Blanketship I want to first go to Hally Hally. I
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Speaker 1: know at some point, when you were a little girl
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Speaker 1: or a teenager, you must have heard about cannibal killers.
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Speaker 1: I remember going to the Georgia State Fair. It came
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Speaker 1: every October at a certain time, and would all go
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Speaker 1: to the fair and there would be the House of Horrors,
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Speaker 1: and there would of course always feature something about a
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Speaker 1: cannibal killer. And that's the first time I had ever
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Speaker 1: heard of a cannibal killer. Did you, in your wildest
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Speaker 1: imagination ever imagine this would somehow relate to you. No,
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Speaker 1: I never thought that it would happen to me or anyone.
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Speaker 1: I know, it's just something that you think you see
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Speaker 1: on like Criminal Minds or shows like that. But it
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Speaker 1: is real and it's happened, and it's terrible. It's beyond
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Speaker 1: anything I could imagine. And I'm a crime victim, but
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Speaker 1: this goes beyond anything I think I could absorb. You know,
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Speaker 1: I want to go to doctor Sherry Schwartz. Forensic psychologists
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Speaker 1: joining us. Doctor Schwartz, I think we don't allow ourselves
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Speaker 1: to consider that this is real and it's happening. It
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Speaker 1: did happen. That's what we're reporting on it. Happened a
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Speaker 1: few days ago. That's what we're talking about right now,
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Speaker 1: a modern day cannibal killer. I think that the human
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Speaker 1: psyche finds it very difficult to absorb that kind of realization.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry. Absolutely, You're absolutely right, Nancy. It's very, very
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Speaker 1: difficult for the community to make sense of, hence the
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Speaker 1: reason we're all here talking about it. But imagine for
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Speaker 1: the family who has to make sense of the fact
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Speaker 1: that their loved ones are no longer with them, that
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Speaker 1: they were brutally taken from them in such a brutal fashion.
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Speaker 1: And Healy, I am so so sorry for your loss,
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Speaker 1: but trying to figure out what happened and how it
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Speaker 1: can prevent it be prevented for families in the future
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Speaker 1: is so important. Well, you know one thing I think
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Speaker 1: it's very difficult to Jeff Cortesi, former FBI special agent
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Speaker 1: at Jeff Cortes dot com. The thing about cannibal killers
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Speaker 1: is very typically nobody knows their cannibal killer until ultimately
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Speaker 1: one of their victims, and typically there are many of
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Speaker 1: them before the cannibal killer is uncovered. They blend in.
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Speaker 1: I mean, when you talk about the gray Man that
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Speaker 1: I first mentioned, when you talk about let's just say Dahmer.
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Speaker 1: People thought he may be a little peculiar in his
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Speaker 1: neighborhood or people that need him, but they had no
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Speaker 1: idea he was a cannibal killer. So trying to figure
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Speaker 1: out how to stop a cannibal killer. I understand where
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Speaker 1: doctor Sherry Schwartz is coming from, and I agree with her.
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Speaker 1: But they blend in, wouldn't you agree with all your
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Speaker 1: years at the FBI. Absolutely killers blend in. They blend in,
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Speaker 1: and they tend to be loaners, so identifying them it
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Speaker 1: becomes even more challenging. But you know, they look in
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Speaker 1: sound for the most part like everybody else, and any
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Speaker 1: deficiencies they do have, they try to keep from exposing
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Speaker 1: it to other people. Another issue to doctor Banerjee joining
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Speaker 1: us with the medical examiner there in Rhode Island, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Prior Banerjee, again, thank you for being with us, Thank
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Speaker 1: you for having me. You know, there are a lot
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Speaker 1: of murders. You know, I never when I was growing
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Speaker 1: up as a little girl, I certainly didn't think I
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Speaker 1: would be talking about this one day. But there are
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Speaker 1: a lot of murders where people are dismembered, But there
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Speaker 1: are very, very few murders where people are dismembered and
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Speaker 1: you at the medical examiner's office realize you're missing a
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Speaker 1: heart or you're missing a body apart, you know, just
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Speaker 1: reviewing this case, you know, it hit me how sad
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Speaker 1: it was. First of all, to Haley, I have almost
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Speaker 1: eleven years of experience under my belt over one hundred
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Speaker 1: and thirty homicides. I have handled dismembered bodies, but cannibalism
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Speaker 1: is not something I've seen before. And it's still very
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Speaker 1: shocking to me, you know, and I've seen quite the
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Speaker 1: gamut of ways people are murdered. Yeah, it takes it
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Speaker 1: to a whole other level of violence and derangement. You know,
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Speaker 1: I think it's so extreme compared to, as you said,
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Speaker 1: the more typical homicides that we see, you know, doctor
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Speaker 1: Prea Banerjee. I've got to say, and I'm very rarely
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Speaker 1: get to say this, I've never handled a case like this.
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Speaker 1: I've handled plenty of murder cases, as I've worked on
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Speaker 1: dismemberment cases. I've never worked on all the years, I
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Speaker 1: prosecuted nothing but violent felonies. Never handled a cannibal case,
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Speaker 1: just like you've seen them, study them, never had a
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Speaker 1: file like that come across my desk from me to investigate.
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Speaker 1: Let's just start at the beginning. Let's go to Levi
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Speaker 1: Page Crime online dot com investigative reporter and host of
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Speaker 1: Crime and Scandal to a true crime podcast. Levi, you
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Speaker 1: would never have suspect this guy, Lawrence Anderson, just forty
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Speaker 1: two years old, of being a cannibal killer. I just
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Speaker 1: played sound from our friends at KOCO five where the
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Speaker 1: Chickasaw Police get a nine on one hang up call
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Speaker 1: from someone in a home off Minnesota Avenue a little
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Speaker 1: after eight pm. They get there, they find dead bodies.
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Speaker 1: Just take me that far, Levi. So they entered this
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Speaker 1: home in Chia, Oklahoma, and they made a horrific discovery.
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Speaker 1: They found the body of sixty seven year old Leon Pie.
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Speaker 1: They found the body of his four year old granddaughter,
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Speaker 1: Chaos Yates, and they were pronounced dead in an in
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Speaker 1: an ambulance at the scene. They were stabbed multiple times
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Speaker 1: and Delcie Pie, she's the woman that called nine one one.
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Speaker 1: She was stabbed in the eye, but she survived. And
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Speaker 1: also there at the scene in the home is forty
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Speaker 1: one year old Lawrence Paul Anderson. He was found in
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Speaker 1: the home puking and he had inflicted injuries on himself
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Speaker 1: and his aunt Delcie said, that is the culprit and
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Speaker 1: he was taken into custody. Time Stories with Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: Victims Andrea Lynn Blankenship. This is Healey's mom, Leon Pie
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Speaker 1: Jelsie Pie Chaos Yates just four years old. These are
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Speaker 1: the victims in this case. And also it's very rare
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Speaker 1: that you see a wide range of age in crime
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Speaker 1: victims on one same for those of you just joining us.
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Speaker 1: It's real. It's not a movie script. With Jodie Foster.
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Speaker 1: That was Silence of the Lambs, which seems so fantastical
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Speaker 1: as to not even be true. Cannibal killers here in
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Speaker 1: the US. Who are these people joining us today? One
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Speaker 1: of his victims, the daughter of one of his victims,
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Speaker 1: and her lawyer, veteran trial lawyer Tim Kane, take a
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Speaker 1: listen to this. Police department receive the call and went
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Speaker 1: out to take a look at what was going on
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Speaker 1: in exactly what the call was all about. When they arrived,
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Speaker 1: two of the officers went in secured the scene. They
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Speaker 1: found two dead two dead people, two bodies, and they
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Speaker 1: also found Anderson. When they put him in custody. Anderson
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Speaker 1: had a couple of superficial wounds to his chest area.
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Speaker 1: He was admitted to Grady Memorial Hospital and later transferred
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Speaker 1: to a medical center where he received treatment. He's been released.
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Speaker 1: He has housed in the Grady County Jail at this time.
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Speaker 1: Upon an interview with this defendant with Anderson, the OSBI
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Speaker 1: came to the realization that there was a possibility of
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Speaker 1: a third body. They made contact with the Chicki Schee
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Speaker 1: Police Department. The chick Schae Police Department went to do
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Speaker 1: a welfare check on Andrea Blankenship when when they arrived
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Speaker 1: there they found Andrea Debt insider home and an investigation
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Speaker 1: at that point and sued. You were just hearing the
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Speaker 1: Grady County District Attorney Jason Hicks speaking Chim Kine, veteran
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer who was representing the blanket Ship family. Tim,
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Speaker 1: let me understand, how was Andrea's mother, excuse me, how
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Speaker 1: was Helly's mother Andrea connected to all of this? So
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Speaker 1: she was a neighbor, correct, She was a neighbor, lived
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Speaker 1: down the street from where the pies lived, and she
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Speaker 1: was not otherwise connected at all. She didn't know Lawrence Anderson,
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Speaker 1: and he didn't know her. He just broke in and
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Speaker 1: killed her. He also killed her before he killed other people.
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Speaker 1: She was killed before all of them, so she was
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Speaker 1: in fact the first victim. Haley, Is that right, Yx,
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Speaker 1: ma'am you know what, Haley. I am so sorry. I
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Speaker 1: feel so bad for you. You know, my mom lives
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Speaker 1: with us. The first thing I do every morning is
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Speaker 1: go check on her, see how she's doing. If she's
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Speaker 1: still asleep, as she made it through the night. She's
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Speaker 1: one of the most prominent figures in my whole life
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Speaker 1: with my mom. Knew as well. Tell me about your mom.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about Andrea. Um Well, like you said, she
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Speaker 1: was one of the most prominent figures in my life.
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Speaker 1: And she was white and she spread it to everyone
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Speaker 1: around her, everyone she ever met. She spread her light.
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Speaker 1: She would have loved and she taught me everything I am.
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Speaker 1: Everything I am is because of her. And she you're
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Speaker 1: fading out on me. I know this much. She was
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Speaker 1: not in any way connected to Lawrence Anderson. She happened
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Speaker 1: to live down the street from the Pies, and apparently,
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Speaker 1: based on what her daughter Hill is telling me, she
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Speaker 1: was in fact Andrea the first murder victim. Back to
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Speaker 1: Tim Kane, the Blanketship family lawyer. You can find him
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Speaker 1: online at WCA law dot com. Tim, again, thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. So, if there's no connection between
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Speaker 1: the Blanketship victim, area Lynne Blanketship and the Pie family,
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Speaker 1: what do you believe led Lawrence Anderson to break in
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Speaker 1: on her first and killer. Well, that's what we're trying
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Speaker 1: to investigate. And I should say thank you for having
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Speaker 1: me on the show. Nancy. It's nice to talk to you.
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Speaker 1: The Well, we do know, and I've been hired by
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Speaker 1: Haley and her brother Hayden, who are the two survivors
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Speaker 1: of Andrea. We know that Lawrence Anderson had been in
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Speaker 1: jail for a long time, he'd been in and out
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Speaker 1: of jail, and that he had applied for commutation in
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Speaker 1: January of twenty nineteen and had been denied by the
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Speaker 1: Pardoning Parole Board. And what is supposed to happen under
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Speaker 1: their rules is he's not eligible to reapply for three
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Speaker 1: years in that scenario. For some reason, he reapplies a
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Speaker 1: month later in August of twenty nineteen. His case is
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Speaker 1: again reviewed in October, and this time he's approved to
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Speaker 1: be have a commuted sentence, and they that's in January
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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty. They let him out in jail jury
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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one, and he never should have been eligible.
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Speaker 1: He never should have been out. And within weeks he
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Speaker 1: breaks in and murders Andrea. So there's a big investigation
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Speaker 1: going on. The Governor's ordered an investigation. The state is
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Speaker 1: investigating this and has appointed someone to look into this.
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Speaker 1: And that's what I'm trying to do, is try to
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Speaker 1: help them understand, learn what the facts are, what happened,
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Speaker 1: and why it happens. So this guy, a career criminal
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Speaker 1: with plenty of felonies under his belt, gets out early.
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Speaker 1: The pro board breaks their own rules. Three weeks later,
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Speaker 1: he commits mass murder and he cooks the victim's heart
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Speaker 1: and serves it with potatoes. Guys, take a listen to
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Speaker 1: Austin Rissette k fo R Tuesday Night, a horrific sequence
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Speaker 1: of events about the murder being revealed inside the Grady
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Speaker 1: County Courthouse. It's stuff that you see all the time
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Speaker 1: on TV, and you never think it's going to happen,
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Speaker 1: or it doesn't affect you. Investigators alleging Anderson killed Andrea
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Speaker 1: Blanketship first forcing his way into her home through a
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Speaker 1: back door, and, according to court documents, quote removed her heart,
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Speaker 1: taking it to his uncle Leon Pye's home, where he
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Speaker 1: quote cooked it and allegedly tried to make Leon and
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Speaker 1: his wife Delsie eat it before attacking them along with
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Speaker 1: their granddaughter Chaos, who was only visiting for the day,
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Speaker 1: dropped off by her parents Ranzo and Tasha just hours
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Speaker 1: before you gives you do everything with them. The two
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Speaker 1: possibly can Delsie would survive the attack, but she suffered
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Speaker 1: stab wounds in both eyes. Now released from the hospital
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Speaker 1: wearing sunglasses in the courtroom, a little four year old girl,
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Speaker 1: also the victim of a cannibal killer. Nobody saw it coming.
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Speaker 1: How did miss Blanketship, Angia Lynn Blanketship get grabbed into
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Speaker 1: this scenario? Take a listen again to our friends at
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Speaker 1: KFO RNs four. We've lost a part of our heart.
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Speaker 1: We'll never get back. A gruesome double murder growing worse.
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Speaker 1: Investigators say it's ordered with the murder of four year
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Speaker 1: old Chaos and her grandfather, Leon Pie. The alleged killer,
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Speaker 1: Pie's nephew, forty two year old Lawrence Anderson, But the
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Speaker 1: alleged spree didn't in there. Detectives now believe Anderson also
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Speaker 1: murdered a neighbor on the same street, forty one year
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Speaker 1: old Andrea Blanketship. We need some more answers, Blanketship's cousin,
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Speaker 1: Brooke Burris Wofford, saying the single mother of two lived
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Speaker 1: alone and worked from home, adding that the family is
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Speaker 1: unaware of any relationship between Blanketship and her alleged killer.
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Speaker 1: We want to know why this monster, who was dangerous
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Speaker 1: was released. I want to know why he is released.
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Speaker 1: To take a listen to Jason Hicks, the county district attorney,
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Speaker 1: outlining this guy's criminal history before he turned cannibal killer.
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Speaker 1: He was charged with robbery in Arkansas in approximately nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety eight. He was charged in two thousand and five
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Speaker 1: in Grady County with a distribution case. He was charged
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Speaker 1: around two thousand and four to two thousand and six
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Speaker 1: in Oklahoma County with pointing a firearm. Again, in two
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Speaker 1: thousand and ten, he was charged with four counts of
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Speaker 1: distribution here in Grady County. In that case, he received
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Speaker 1: a sentence of thirty five years. It was fifteen years
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Speaker 1: to serve. In twenty years of probation. He wasn't in
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Speaker 1: prison very long at all, and he was back on
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Speaker 1: the streets, and in two and fifteen his sentence the
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Speaker 1: twenty years was revoked and he was sent back to prison.
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Speaker 1: He got out again in two thousand and seventeen, and
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and seventeen he picks up a fellon
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Speaker 1: in possession of firearm charge, a bringing contraband into jail charge,
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Speaker 1: molesting a motor vehicle, and possession of CDs charges those
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Speaker 1: last year or misdemeanors in that particular instance. All those
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Speaker 1: cases were put together and he received a sense of
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Speaker 1: twenty years. To Hilly Blanketship, this is Angia Lynn Blanketship's
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Speaker 1: a daughter. It must just be pouring gas on the flame,
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Speaker 1: just rubbing salt in the wound. That this guy, a
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Speaker 1: forty one year old cannibal killer who cut out his
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Speaker 1: neighbor's heart and cooked it with potatoes, already had a
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Speaker 1: long rap sheet and should have been behind mars. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I feel like it definitely is rubbing salt in the
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Speaker 1: wounds to know that he shouldn't have been let out
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Speaker 1: in the first place. I really don't understand why he
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Speaker 1: was let out, but This just shows what happened. It
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Speaker 1: just shows what happens whenever they don't do their job right.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about
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Speaker 1: a modern day cannibal killer, forty one year old Lawrence Anderson,
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Speaker 1: who literally cut the heart out of his victim and
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Speaker 1: cooked it with potatoes. He's not the first and God
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Speaker 1: help us, or likely not be the last nabal killer
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Speaker 1: on us soil. To Leavi page Climb online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter, I understand that he has confessed to killing
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Speaker 1: his neighbor, Angiolen Blanketship, But how do we know, how
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Speaker 1: do we know what happened after the murders? How do
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Speaker 1: we know the evidence regarding actually cooking the heart with potatoes? Right, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: He confessed to killing his neighbor two days after the
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Speaker 1: bodies were discovered in his aunt and uncle's home, and
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Speaker 1: they got a search for it, and they seized the
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Speaker 1: cooking hands and that's how they found evidence of this.
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Speaker 1: And his explanation. Lawrence Anderson's explanation was that he was
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Speaker 1: trying to release demon to doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensic psychologist
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Speaker 1: joining us. You can find her at Panther mitigation dot com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Schwartz, I've noticed over and for an owner, and
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Speaker 1: it's anecdotal on my part. I don't have a statistic,
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Speaker 1: but I've noticed when defendants give a confession or give
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Speaker 1: a statement, witnesses do it too. They get right up
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Speaker 1: to the most shocking part of what happened, and then
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Speaker 1: they kind of fade away, or witness will say he
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Speaker 1: pulled the gun and then I looked this way and
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Speaker 1: I heard the gunshot. I didn't see what happened the
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Speaker 1: co defendant. Very that happens so often. I think it's
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Speaker 1: that they can't accept or much less, repeat what they've done.
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Speaker 1: I've seen many many murderers admit to murder but not
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Speaker 1: admit to rape or child molestation that led up to
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Speaker 1: the murder. What is that that, Nancy, excuse me? That
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Speaker 1: is minimization And it could be for a number of reasons.
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Speaker 1: It could be because, like you said, that they just
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Speaker 1: can't face up to the horror they've they've done. But
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Speaker 1: it could also very likely be because they know they're
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Speaker 1: facing significant punishment. In this case, mister Anderson is likely
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Speaker 1: going to face the death penalty unless the defense can
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Speaker 1: prove pretty early on that he seriously mentally ill, and
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Speaker 1: so in order to escape significant consequences, we tend to
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Speaker 1: minimize our bad behavior. In an interview, Anderson, when confronted
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Speaker 1: with the evidence, reveals he is let me just say gruesome.
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Speaker 1: Final meal after murdering Angia Lynn blanket Ship. Haley blanket Ship,
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Speaker 1: recall the moment you learned your mom had they murdered. Oh, yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 1: I stay in a dorm at OSU, and my mom's
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Speaker 1: sister came the night she found out. She came to
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Speaker 1: my dorm and I didn't expect her to be coming,
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Speaker 1: and she came and she told me to sit down
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Speaker 1: and sheds the news. And it did not feel realble
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Speaker 1: at all because I had just talked to my mom
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Speaker 1: earlier that day the Danasy Guide. I had just talked
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Speaker 1: to her, and before we didn't We didn't know anything
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Speaker 1: about her heart or anything like that until about a
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Speaker 1: week and a half later, and it made it a
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Speaker 1: lot harder. I mean, both both ways are definitely very hard.
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Speaker 1: But after I heard what happened to her body, it
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Speaker 1: was my world stopped. To Tim Kaine, the Blankenship family
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Speaker 1: lawyer who practices with Wilson Kine aquaviva. Tim, I've studied
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Speaker 1: prosecuted serial killers and spree killers, and I've studied them
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Speaker 1: as well. Very often, when you see a case like this,
23:54
Speaker 1: there is a sex component to it. And I am
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Speaker 1: by no means suggesting that Anderson had a relationship with
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Speaker 1: miss Blanketship at all. But he may have had an obsession.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I know you represent her family,
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Speaker 1: her survivors, Hayden and Halley, But have you ever seen
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Speaker 1: Andrea Lynne Blanketship. She's stunning, those beautiful blue eyes, I
24:24
Speaker 1: mean peaches and cream skin, She's gorgeous. Yes, and no,
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately I never had the pleasure to meet Andreas, so
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Speaker 1: I don't know that. We know that there's no there's
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Speaker 1: no evidence at all that they knew each other. Oh no,
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Speaker 1: I would never even suggest that. But if his relatives
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Speaker 1: live down the street, Tim Kane, and he has been
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Speaker 1: to that home before, could he have seen her and
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Speaker 1: become obsessed with her? You know, we just don't know.
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Speaker 1: He had been in jail and then they let him out,
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Speaker 1: so I don't know how much time he'd actually been.
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Speaker 1: You're right at that add or near the Pies residence.
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Speaker 1: We don't know I may find that out, but I
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Speaker 1: don't know that. I don't know yet. And you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm patching things together because my knowledge of serial killer
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Speaker 1: is very awful when you see a case likeness. I mean,
25:15
Speaker 1: let's talk about Dahmer for a moment, which was definitely
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Speaker 1: sex related, the gray Man sex related. When you see
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Speaker 1: many many cannibalistic killers in the US, it has a
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Speaker 1: volatile sex component in that the killer is obsessed with
25:31
Speaker 1: the victim. The victim may not even know that. So
25:34
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering. And I also noticed and this guy,
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Speaker 1: Lawrence Anderson's rap sheet he attacked he violently attacked his
25:43
Speaker 1: girlfriend back in two thousand and six at Siashold Criminal
25:46
Speaker 1: History as an adult started. What about that doctor Schwartz, Well, yeah,
25:51
Speaker 1: there's definitely a question as to how long was he
25:58
Speaker 1: was miss Blanketship on his radar. It seems unlikely that
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Speaker 1: he just happened upon her home that day because from
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Speaker 1: what I read, he forces his way in through the
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Speaker 1: back door, So it seems to me that he was
26:13
Speaker 1: familiar with that area. I know he lived in the neighborhood,
26:17
Speaker 1: but it's likely that he saw her in passing. And
26:20
Speaker 1: I agree. I saw photos of her, and she's absolutely stunning,
26:24
Speaker 1: and so there could be a sexual component. I wonder, Nancy,
26:29
Speaker 1: through reading through everything, because they when they took him
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Speaker 1: to jail to prison this last time, when they violated
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Speaker 1: his probation, he was found with a vial of PCP
26:40
Speaker 1: angel dust in his underwear, and this is a hallucinogen,
26:45
Speaker 1: and so if he was taking that and he was
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Speaker 1: experiencing a state of psychosis because of that, that could
26:53
Speaker 1: lead to violent behavior. And so I'm you know, I'm
26:56
Speaker 1: wondering about that, if that, if this is just sort
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Speaker 1: of of random in that way drug induced psychosis. He
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Speaker 1: mentioned in one of the previous court hearings, a sentencing
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Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, that he was on bipolar medication, so
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Speaker 1: that indicates that there might be some mental health history there.
27:16
Speaker 1: But if he was also taking a hallucinogenic drug that
27:20
Speaker 1: we know is linked to violent behavior, then really anything
27:24
Speaker 1: is possible, and it is really unconscionable that with his
27:29
Speaker 1: history which does have violence in it, that he was
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Speaker 1: released Nancy in at least to two seventeen parole officer
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Speaker 1: report and maybe in twenty nineteen. I'm not sure that yet.
27:44
Speaker 1: But back in twenty seventeen, the prole officer has that
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Speaker 1: Anderson remains a threat to both society and himself. So
27:53
Speaker 1: that's in the record, and this guy just never should
27:56
Speaker 1: have been out. That's the bottom line. Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, Do you leave my page Crime Online dot
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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter. We've seen other cases where the purp
28:23
Speaker 1: had been using let's say bath salts or um methamphetamine.
28:30
Speaker 1: I know we all recall the case where the perp
28:32
Speaker 1: was on bath salts and actually ate the face off victims. Yeah,
28:41
Speaker 1: you're right, was that? I believe it was Austin Hairroff.
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Speaker 1: But was there any indication in this case that the pert,
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Speaker 1: Lawrence Anderson, was high on anything. You don't know that, Nancy.
28:52
Speaker 1: We know that his criminal record, just to run it down.
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Speaker 1: In two thousand and six, he served four years for
28:58
Speaker 1: attacking his girlfriend and putting a gun to her head.
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Speaker 1: In twenty twelve, he served time for dealing cocaine right
29:06
Speaker 1: near an elementary school. He was sentenced to fifteen years
29:10
Speaker 1: behind bars and got twenty years probation, but he only
29:14
Speaker 1: served five years behind bars, and in twenty seventeen he
29:18
Speaker 1: had not been out of prison very long and his
29:21
Speaker 1: aunt and uncle were nice enough to allow him to
29:24
Speaker 1: stay with them. He violated his probation when he Wait
29:29
Speaker 1: a minute, Wait a minute, hold on, right, there is
29:31
Speaker 1: that I assume you're referring to the Pies. Yes, yes,
29:35
Speaker 1: his murror victims of his answer. So he had been
29:39
Speaker 1: in the home before before this incident. Yes, he was
29:42
Speaker 1: staying there on probation, and he violated the probation by
29:48
Speaker 1: using drugs. And he was found in jail with PCP
29:54
Speaker 1: in his underwear, and he got out January eighteen after
29:59
Speaker 1: the Oklahoma Pardon and Parole Board recommended commutation three one.
30:04
Speaker 1: So it was a long history with drug use and
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Speaker 1: drug dealing. Yes, he certainly does. And I'm extremely interested
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Speaker 1: in the fact that he was living with the Pies
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Speaker 1: and had the opportunity to observe and become obsessed with
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Speaker 1: the victim whose heart he took out, cut out and
30:20
Speaker 1: ate Angia Lynn Blanketship. For those of you just joining us,
30:23
Speaker 1: modern day cannibalism, we discover yet another case of it,
30:29
Speaker 1: but it's by far the first time. We were just
30:32
Speaker 1: talking about a very recent cannibal I know you recall
30:37
Speaker 1: the frat boy who stabbed a couple dead then literally
30:42
Speaker 1: ate their faces. He allegedly was high on a so
30:45
Speaker 1: called Chinese zombie drug that was in recent history. Take
30:51
Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at w LK y Over.
30:54
Speaker 1: Hansley admitted to officers that he stabbed girlfriend Tammy Joe
30:57
Speaker 1: Blanton to death then mutilated her. After being a prosecutor
31:01
Speaker 1: for so long, you think you've seen everything, and this
31:05
Speaker 1: is one of those cases where I've never seen this.
31:08
Speaker 1: Police responded to a welfare check at Blanton's local street
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Speaker 1: home Thursday and found her dead in the bathtub covered
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Speaker 1: by a tarp. Detective say o'bra. Ansley had a knife
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Speaker 1: with blood on it in his back pocket and confessed
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Speaker 1: to cutting out parts of Blanton's brain, heart, and lung.
31:24
Speaker 1: There was evidence in the kitchen he cooked the organs
31:27
Speaker 1: and eat them. The similarity in this case that the
31:30
Speaker 1: victim's heart was cut out and he actually cooked it
31:33
Speaker 1: with potatoes. To doctor Banerjee, medical examiner assistant there in
31:40
Speaker 1: Rhode Island, certified forensic pathologist. To doctor Banerjee, I've often
31:47
Speaker 1: referred to the program Dexter. I don't know if you
31:50
Speaker 1: ever saw that or not. Dexter is a serial killer.
31:53
Speaker 1: He worked in a crime lab and he ended up
31:56
Speaker 1: being the hero in this series because he only killed
32:00
Speaker 1: bad guys that slipped through the cracks of justice. But
32:05
Speaker 1: when he did it, it seems so sterile and easy,
32:09
Speaker 1: and it was all said and done in a one
32:12
Speaker 1: hour program. To dismember, to perform an autopsy, much less
32:18
Speaker 1: dismember a body is very difficult to do, is that right,
32:23
Speaker 1: doctor Bannergy Yes, I mean the violence employed in this case.
32:29
Speaker 1: I mean there's the stab wound, which are incredibly physical,
32:32
Speaker 1: they were numerous. And then after that, to have the
32:37
Speaker 1: energy and ability to then dismember a body, it's it's
32:41
Speaker 1: a whole another process. It's you know, very difficult to
32:44
Speaker 1: cut through human bones. We use heavy mechanical saws to
32:48
Speaker 1: do it. And then to then cut out the heart,
32:53
Speaker 1: I mean that is to be gruesome. I do that
32:57
Speaker 1: in an autopsy, but in a very controlled setting, which
32:59
Speaker 1: is not this case. Just the brute force it would
33:02
Speaker 1: take to, let's say, dismember a body, it is nothing
33:08
Speaker 1: like what you would see on TV or in a movie.
33:12
Speaker 1: To remove someone's heart in a non clinical setting would be,
33:18
Speaker 1: I think, very difficult to do, doctor Bannerjee. I agree.
33:22
Speaker 1: I mean you don't have the setting the equipment. You know,
33:27
Speaker 1: you're cutting through heavy bones to access the internal organs.
33:31
Speaker 1: If you think about it, our whole chest is there
33:33
Speaker 1: to protect the heart, right, the heart and lungs. That's
33:36
Speaker 1: what keeps us alive. It's there to be a shield
33:39
Speaker 1: of protection and hard to get through. To Jeff Cortes,
33:42
Speaker 1: e former FBI special agent. You can find him a
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Speaker 1: Jeff Cortes dot com. Jeff, give me your profile on
33:50
Speaker 1: this guy. I mean, nobody, Yes, he had a criminal history,
33:54
Speaker 1: but nobody saw this coming. Well, you know, maybe they
33:56
Speaker 1: didn't see this specifically coming, but there was certainly sufficient
33:59
Speaker 1: information history to say that something bad was going to happen. Um.
34:03
Speaker 1: You know, he's got a rich history of violent drug
34:07
Speaker 1: abuse and you you pecker in the hallucinogen in the PCP,
34:13
Speaker 1: and you know, candidly, the sky is the limit as
34:16
Speaker 1: to what potential could come from that U. You know,
34:19
Speaker 1: he's already has a very violent history. Coupled with a
34:25
Speaker 1: potentially long term use of hallucin ugen and drugs creates
34:30
Speaker 1: you know, nothing short of a potentially catastrophic situation. I
34:35
Speaker 1: think this is the manifestation of that a killing machine, Jeff,
34:41
Speaker 1: a killing machine, but of course, Jeff Cortesi, you and
34:45
Speaker 1: I both know voluntary use of drugs or alcohol, whether
34:48
Speaker 1: it's PCP, meth and phetamine Angel desk, that is not
34:52
Speaker 1: a defense under the law. So Tim Kaine family lawyer,
34:57
Speaker 1: I can see him team up for an insanity defense
34:59
Speaker 1: R now, but what is this going to boil down
35:02
Speaker 1: to its voluntary years? Who? Drugs are? Alcohol hauled at guys?
35:06
Speaker 1: Not the first, not the last time this has happened
35:08
Speaker 1: on US soil. Take a listen to our friends at KLFY.
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Speaker 1: Con Federal Grande Jury in Lafayette has indicted a nineteen
35:16
Speaker 1: year old who allegedly tortured a gay teenager on six counts.
35:20
Speaker 1: Chase A. Seneca is also facing charges of kidnapping and
35:23
Speaker 1: obstruction after his alleged attempted murder of a gay man
35:26
Speaker 1: and his scheme to kidnap and murder gay men whom
35:30
Speaker 1: he met online. An indictment all Seneca attempted to murder
35:33
Speaker 1: one of these men because of his gender and a
35:36
Speaker 1: sexual orientation, and then he intended to dismember and keep
35:40
Speaker 1: parts of the victim's body as trophies, mementos, and even food.
35:44
Speaker 1: Keeping the body parts as food and of course, here
35:49
Speaker 1: in the US, one of the first known cannibal killers
35:53
Speaker 1: is the gray Man. Listen. In November nineteen thirty four,
35:56
Speaker 1: these still grieving parents of Grace Budd received an excrew.
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Speaker 1: Sheatingly grewsome letter, which police later confirmed was from Albert Fish.
36:04
Speaker 1: It read impass. I grabbed her and she said she
36:07
Speaker 1: would tell her mama. First, I scribbed it. How she did,
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Speaker 1: kick by it and scratch. I choked her to death,
36:12
Speaker 1: then cut her in small pieces so I could take
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Speaker 1: my meat to my rooms, cook and eat it. How
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Speaker 1: sweet and tender her little ass was roasted in the oven.
36:21
Speaker 1: It took me nine days to eat her entire body.
36:24
Speaker 1: The fact that that was dramatically read and there was
36:27
Speaker 1: music about being played in the background just exemplifies the
36:34
Speaker 1: way that cannibal killers are viewed. Helly Blanketship, This is
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Speaker 1: angel In Blanketship's daughter. You know, I remember when A
36:44
Speaker 1: Silence of the Lambs came out and it was a
36:47
Speaker 1: huge hit, but in ways it glamorized cannibal killers. They're
36:55
Speaker 1: anything but glamorous, Helly. A lot of people have made
36:59
Speaker 1: light of the situation and comments on the news articles
37:03
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, But I just realized that they
37:07
Speaker 1: don't take it personally because it hasn't happened to them
37:09
Speaker 1: personally and it probably never will. But for me, it
37:14
Speaker 1: is very personal and very real, and it feels like
37:16
Speaker 1: a living nightmare to doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensic pathologist, Doctor Sherry,
37:21
Speaker 1: I mean, when you look at these cannibal killers walking
37:25
Speaker 1: amongst us, they seem so normal. The guy I just
37:29
Speaker 1: told you about, the fret boy hair off, his dad
37:35
Speaker 1: was a dentist, he was in a college fraternity. He
37:40
Speaker 1: seemed like every other typical college student walking around campus,
37:46
Speaker 1: but he turned cannibal killer. I don't see that there's
37:50
Speaker 1: really a way to identify these people because you don't
37:54
Speaker 1: know what they are until it's too late. You're absolutely right, Nancy.
37:57
Speaker 1: It's nearly impossible to identify in advance this level of brutality.
38:03
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen very often, as Hayley pointed out, as
38:07
Speaker 1: you have pointed out, but when it does, it's it's
38:10
Speaker 1: so shocking that it gets a lot of attention. But
38:13
Speaker 1: you're right, there's really no way to look at somebody
38:17
Speaker 1: walking down the street and know that they have the
38:19
Speaker 1: potential to be somebody who's going to perpetrate homicide and
38:25
Speaker 1: especially a cannibal killing. But there are usually indicators in
38:31
Speaker 1: someone's behavior that there's a potential for violence. Not always,
38:36
Speaker 1: but in this particular case, there were indicators in mister
38:40
Speaker 1: Anderson's history that showed that he had a potential for violence.
38:45
Speaker 1: If somebody is using hallucinogenic drugs, even if they are
38:49
Speaker 1: not normally, they could be the most mild mannered person
38:52
Speaker 1: on the planet. But if they are using hallucinogenic drugs,
38:57
Speaker 1: this raises the risk their risk for were violence, to
39:01
Speaker 1: perpetrate violence against themselves against other people. And that's just
39:05
Speaker 1: the point here that Tim Kaine was making doctor Sherry
39:10
Speaker 1: Schwartz that this guy had a huge rap sheet, yet
39:13
Speaker 1: he kept getting out. Now, of course, the name most
39:16
Speaker 1: common on the tip of most people's tongues is Jeffrey Dahmer.
39:20
Speaker 1: Listen to our Friends and Inside Edition, Jeffrey Dahmer, an
39:23
Speaker 1: unassuming chocolate factory worker, would eventually confess that he had seduced, murdered,
39:29
Speaker 1: and dismembered seventeen young men. He even ate some of
39:33
Speaker 1: his victim's body parts. To Hilly Blankenship as the district attorney,
39:37
Speaker 1: spoken to your family about the death penalty. Honestly, I'm
39:42
Speaker 1: not sure, but I know that my family don't support
39:45
Speaker 1: the des penalty, especially for this man. Not just your mom,
39:49
Speaker 1: but this four year old little girl. Dad, the aunt,
39:54
Speaker 1: the uncle. We wait as justice unfolds for an American
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Speaker 1: cannibal killer, Lawrence Anderson Nancy Grace Crimes Story, signing off,
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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,