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Best Vegas Magic Shows #181 · The Magic Guys

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  They're guys. They do magic. They are the magic guys.
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  I thought it was Nick. I couldn't see your face. I could be Nick.
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  I could just do the episode like this. Technically, I could be Nick, too.
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  That's true. We're all Nicks in spirit. We're going to pull one out for Nick,
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  but I'll drink it, basically.
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  I've been talking with Josh for 15 minutes before the pod starts. I call him Nick.
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  Short-term memory loss. We are after this, Marvita.
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  What's up, everyone? Welcome to episode 181 of The Magic Guys.
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  Today, I'll be Josh. I could be Nick, but I'll be Josh today.
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  And to my side here, we've got Doug Kahn. You don't know. It's not up and down
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  anymore. It's sideways and left.
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  Now, it's all horizontal today. Imagine the listeners at home.
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  They have no relevance to any direction. direction no
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  but we're glad they're here i can see already our
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  friends in the live chat caden what's up
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  scotty p what's up y'all love it
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  a bit of southern accent there even though you're from australia drago tear
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  it's been a couple of weeks hasn't it i totally forgot time is weird thank you
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  i love that you know i don't know do you watch kill tony the podcast at all
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  doug uh often off and on i watch it when my stepson says it's an exceptional
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  episode i I tune in because after this, I go to the discord,
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  but I do know that we are the pre-show for. Yes.
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  That's what I was going to say. We, I'm so glad that we're exactly an hour behind
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  that. One of the biggest podcasts in the world. That's live.
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  So thank you for being here, but they, and they've had some bangers lately.
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  So yes, I can see why. I was having dinner with the wife, looking at what's on Netflix.
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  The Joe Rogan special is on. Apparently it's a stinker.
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  Like has anyone seen the joe rogan podcast have you seen the the comedy special on netflix.
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  I haven't watched it yet i've seen little clips coming up and yeah a little
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  too cutting edge and not enough funny but true what when you have 300 million
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  dollars from a you know spotify deal what you know what do you do,
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  It can't be, it's, it can't be easy to still, you know, work that material.
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  I mean, I'm a fan, right? I love, I listen to his podcast all the time.
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  It's a good, but you go upsetting a bunch of people, maybe not the best move.
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  Right. Right. And I can see, you know, we're losing viewers from talking about him. So we'll move on.
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  Oh, David Ong. Thanks for joining us. Three instead of four.
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  Yeah. That, you know, no, no, we, well, we must be up then if we're on four.
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  So that's what we'll be. been hey obviously you
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  guys know mr nick k is not here
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  because he is being awesome and he's in the place that we
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  all were meant to be in and he
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  sent through a speak pipe which i
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  encourage all of you to do speakpipe.com forward
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  slash the magic guys we can let us know what you're up to it's much
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  it's so much fun to hear you guys in in your voice rather
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  than text your story i genuinely get excited
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  when we have speak pipes it's awesome yeah but
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  listening to nicks that he sent in really
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  hurt because of how awesome the
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  pre-magic live has been for him so i'm
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  going to play this message for you guys and you'll understand how i feel all
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  right this is what nick k is up to at the moment hello friends nick k here at
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  magic live it is effectively day one of everything kind of beginning the lectures and so forth.
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  And just in this morning alone, we've hung out with Dynamo and had a nice little
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  brunch with him, Dan White.
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  And I had the pleasure earlier this week of hanging out with Teller at his home,
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  and that was quite an experience.
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  You know, everything leading up to Magic Light today has been awesome.
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  And as great as the convention is, a lot of the fun is to be had just by hanging out at the bar.
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  I met an amazing magician who specializes in indexes called Don Wand.
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  That gentleman blew my mind we look forward
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  to actually sharing some more ideas tonight but ultimately it's
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  a wonderful time and of course if anyone else is listening to this and
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  is a magic guy or a girl don't be afraid to come over and say hi it'd be great
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  to meet you all hope you enjoy the show oh my it's our own fault norbita we're
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  not there man i don't want to swear this early in the podcast but man i'm glad
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  he's living it up and that's awesome Awesome.
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  And holy crap, that's hard to hear. Every day I convince myself I'm doing exactly
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  what I'm meant to be doing and the world is all right in this universe.
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  But I must say, you know, hearing that and then, you know, the Facebook feed,
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  I just, I can't look at Facebook for the next couple of days.
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  I just have to stay the course. I literally couldn't go. Work is work.
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  You know, sometimes you have to work to do things. And even I just have to be
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  working right now. That's all. Sorry.
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  Yeah, it happens. You know, it'll, it's life. Right. But you know,
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  glad you're killing it, Nick.
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  That's right. Talk about doing it right. Day one. It's like,
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  I'm at Teller's house. How y'all doing?
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  I, I can't believe he specifically said Dan White as well, because a little
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  thing with Dan White, you know, so we had Dennis Kim on the podcast,
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  which is, you know, one of his main men in consulting for his shows,
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  but Dan White started following me on Instagram a few months ago.
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  And I know we both have an appreciation for stack work.
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  And I was like, if I was to meet anyone, I've never met him before.
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  So it would be cool to have that experience.
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  And fucking Nick had it and I'm here. So, but he doesn't get to hang out with
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  you guys on this podcast.
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  Certainly one of, you know, one of the more successful Magi over the last 10
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  years, Dan White, even over the last five years and really carved himself just a unique, great niche.
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  Yeah. And I think he has taken the new, he's taken the new name as number one
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  show to see in New York city. Right. How cool is that?
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  If he hasn't, that's what popped in my mind and his marketing spot on and working great.
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  But you know, how many regular magicians do you see on the, you know,
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  the top name late night television shows?
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  You know, he's a regular on, he's on Fallon all the time, isn't he? Yeah.
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  Yeah. He's a beast. And the spots are killer always. No, no wonder he has them back again and again.
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  And then, yeah. And then as Dennis was telling us, you know,
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  they had their killer virtual shows during the pandemic. Yeah.
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  Just are those still going on? I think that might, is that still happening?
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  I mean, if they aren't, they should be. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Hey, and someone is actually at magic live. Who's is this, is this what's happening?
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  Andy wish you were here. I thought you guys were going to do the podcast from
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  magic live this year, maybe next year. Andy, are you at magic live right now?
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  Because that is awesome.
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  Please go up to Nick and ask him if he was in a band, because that would be
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  great. And if you film it, you get extra points instead.
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  Hey, Hey, a fellow, a fellow skinhead like us. So that's awesome.
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  That is, where's my air horn? There we go.
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  Hell yeah. Look, all right. Let me, let me lay it out. So David asks,
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  why couldn't you make it to Magic Live, Josh? All right. I'll just give it to you. Okay.
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  So I, at this part of the year, I'm usually, let's just, I usually have like
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  a surplus of money from doing a bunch of events and it's like,
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  it's, it always fluctuates through the year, right? You get heaps of corporate
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  gigs at the end of the year. You feel amazing.
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  Then you hit January, you have no events, you feel like an idiot and it,
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  you know, and then it builds back
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  up and it's all great. And it's all this wonderful world that we live in.
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  And particularly last year, it was slower than usual.
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  So I got to this part of the year when I would normally go to Magic Live and
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  I'm like, oh, I have a little bit less gold in the, in the kingdom to go and I could go.
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  However, my lovely fiance doesn't want to miss out on the Las Vegas experience.
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  So there's no, there was no version of this where I go by myself,
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  which would be the more affordable way like Nick has done very smart.
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  So for us to both go and have our dogs watched and our horse looked after and
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  not be working and stuff, we were looking at around $15,000 US,
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  uh, sorry, Australian, not US, Australian, which is like, I don't know, $10 American.
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  And anyway, so we looked at that and we're like, no, no, exactly.
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  I was like, so yeah, I could spend that. I could, but then I would come back and be like, you idiot.
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  But then it turned out as soon as I made the choice to not go and then Magic
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  Live got full with their registrations, I got a ton of bookings for like the
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  moment I would have come back from Magic Live.
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  So it actually worked out that I probably could have gone, but I just had to
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  make a smart choice anyway.
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  But my fiance has assured me that we are going to pre-buy our flights this year
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  so that there's no having to question, you know, is there money in the bank
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  to, to put towards some fun stuff.
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  We're just going to be going. But I said that last year, so don't take my word
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  for it yet until I show you the plane ticket, but that's just how it goes.
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  You know, it gives me another year to to try and get known a little bit more
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  online to maybe make it a more fun experience next year.
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  Maybe a few more doors will open up between now and then to make it easier to
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  introduce myself to fellow Magi friends and all that good stuff.
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  That's my story. Thank you for listening to my TED Talk. All right.
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  How about a speak pipe, Doug? What do you think?
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  Bring it. And then we'll go into the title of this, which is Best Vegas Magic Shows. All right.
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  We've got Scotty P here. He's in the chat and he's in our hearts.
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  And today he's on our speak pipes.
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  Let's hear from Scotty P. What's up, magic guys? Scotty P, the Mid-Strength Magician here.
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  Self-plug first. I've taken the leap and I'll be doing my first real gig performing
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  close-up strolling magic at a charity cocktail gala event in Brisbane city in September.
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  Now I've created four groups of effects, each group having an opener,
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  two fillers and a closer and running about five to 10 minutes each.
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  My concern is how do I keep track of who has seen what in what will be a moving
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  crowd of about 500 people? Tips?
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  Lovely. First of all, well done, Scotty P.
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  It's pretty exciting. Scotty, let me know that he'd reached out to a charity
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  event, like a nice black tie one.
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  And then he mentioned that he got it. And then he sent me a photo of,
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  and maybe I can bring it up here. I'm sure he won't mind.
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  He sent me a photo of the suit that he bought to go to, to go to this event.
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  Very impressed. Here it is.
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  Boom. Look at this sexy man right here. I'm sure it'll show up. Bam.
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  Well, that is a magician if I ever seen one. so
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  he's gonna rock it for sure my initial thoughts is i can't wait for you just
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  to experience how planned you think you'll be going into this and then to see
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  what actually happens once you get there because the moment people start you
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  know chirping and reacting to magic and it all sort of,
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  you know i like the planning he's done like the the what what you laid out scotty
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  sounds good you got your openers middles closers you got that figured out you
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  know like you want to have some battle plans going in.
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  Absolutely. You got a good start already.
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  Yeah. The, I, the idea is solid.
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  You just try to stick to that and for sure.
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  But I would say in a room of 500 people, like it's very unlikely you'll come
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  across the same people again. Yeah.
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  Unless it's a group that has gone and grabbed their friends to pull them in
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  to specifically see you again.
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  And those people normally say that they go, Hey, can you guys,
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  can you show my friends something awesome as well?
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  And then, you know, okay, I'm going to show them something else.
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  And you could just ask them, what did you see me do? I want to show you something different.
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  And you can work with that. If you got 500 people, you're going to need three
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  or four hours to have everyone see it once at least.
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  Right. When you say that's a, that's a light estimate.
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  Absolutely. And I, and I know at, at these kinds of events, there's so much
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  happening on stage in terms of silent auctions and speeches and things like that.
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  There's, there's only pockets of time you can perform to people.
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  So I don't, I think you're going to have a ball and you're going to get a lot
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  of like stage time and even as close at the beginning, a lot of like stage time
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  work in your magic is going to be great for you. But yeah, I don't think repeating
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  people is really much of a worry.
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  It's going to be a good time to test out material and like what works for you.
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  Hey, you know, I do have a good recommendation for people who might be working
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  events, maybe not as much to be worried about repeat viewing,
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  but certainly covers this aspect.
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  It's an opener that Steve Mayhew would use where you would produce carnations.
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  And he did this with flash paper.
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  So he'd come to the table. Did you get your free gift yet?
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  Oh, no, here it is. and he'd hand a piece of flash paper to someone. He goes, there you go.
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  What, you don't like it? And it's just a piece of paper. He goes,
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  oh, here, it's not done yet. And he lights it up. The flower appears.
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  He splits the flower in two. And now he puts the flowers on the table.
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  So two things happen when he does that. He knows that he's been to this table
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  because there's flowers on the table. Or maybe sometimes the ladies put the flowers in their hair.
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  And then the event organizer knows you've been working because by the end of
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  the night, they go around and all these carnations have appeared.
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  Ladies got the flowers in their hair. they're all over the table and you
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  could consider that avenue if not this exact flower production
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  some kind of little magic giveaway that you leave on the
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  table or with the people to let them know you've been
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  there that's pretty clever i'm glad you said that there was
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  a time when i would produce like a fake rose or
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  a real rose but i found i just was able to get a hold
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  of fake ones and i would yeah i'd leave them on the banquet table so
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  but i did it so that i could remember which ones i'd
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  gone to yeah these days i
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  just make sure i you know kind of stick to a line of tables that
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  do each row yeah but that's that's awesome
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  too but i like what you're saying you do it so the client can see that's the
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  big one with this approach yeah yeah you know you go buy a bouquet of carnations
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  you know put a bunch in your pocket a couple of 20 30 of them yeah it's so easy
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  too i mean i would just do it i don't know about you but i would do it david stone style where you
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  tuck the rose under your belt, like under your jacket behind you.
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  Like this is just literally just the butt of the flower, just a little, it's this much.
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  Oh, even easier, right? Yeah. It's super small. Yeah.
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  Great. Great. Excellent. I look, good luck, Scotty. Keep us updated and reach
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  out if you have any other questions on it. Cause it's going to be fun, man.
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  Make sure you've got some business cards, you know, just take advantage of it. Hell yeah. Hell yeah.
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  Right. Speaking of shows, we titled this best Vegas magic shows.
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  Now you put best does it have to be the
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  best can we do like card tricks where we do the worst vegas shows yeah yeah
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  yeah absolutely look we just titled it
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  it's just clickbait really i mean we're gonna just talk about
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  different types of vegas magic shows and we'd love to hear what ones maybe you've
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  seen or uh underrated or off the beaten path ones or what i'm thinking about
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  let me start this with one off that's off the beaten path what about just going
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  down to fremont street and watching the street magicians that are working there.
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  I know there's one there now that's exceptional, and I'm hoping some of the
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  Magic Live people get out to Fremont to see the street magic.
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  Although I imagine all the street magicians are probably in Magic Live.
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  Never mind. I take back that. Any week but Magic Live.
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  Right. How far away is Fremont Street from?
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  It's there. It's right there. Where the new Orleans is really.
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  Yeah, it's, it's all, oh, wait, no, it's Orleans is not on.
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  Is it on Fremont? It's not, it's not.
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  I don't think so, but it's gotta be close. I'm yeah. I'm disappointed.
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  I didn't go there and check that out the last time I was there, but I will make sure.
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  Oh, I made sure to go down there and see it there. I didn't see any magicians
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  working, but I know there's two or three there right now.
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  And you probably have to go nighttime to catch them. Right. Right.
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  Cause they call Fremont street. The, is it the old Vegas strip that they call it? Yeah, right.
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  Old Vegas. And then they covered it up. They put a roof on it.
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  I added a light show and some music. And so now it's just kind of like this
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  big casino mall with shopping and food and music and local street performers.
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  They have a nice street performing system and it's working. It's working for them there.
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  Yeah. It sounds, it sounds very nice.
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  In the car. I loved it. Also, you go down there, you go to the Gambler's Warehouse
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  when you're near Fremont. You go check out this wonderful emporium with all
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  the Gambler's merchandise.
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  That's what you do in Vegas. Go to the Gambler's Warehouse. Right.
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  Gutbuster Mike's asking or saying, I've never seen a magic show other than street performers.
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  Embarrassing. That's pretty cool, man. And that's so interesting.
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  It's so different when you see a show in an orchestrated theater space where
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  they plan everything out and there's lighting. It is pretty different.
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  That's what you're doing is street performing, so it's great that you're amongst all of that.
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  You should definitely go and see a magic show. Dragotea says,
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  I've never been to Vegas.
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  How worth it is it if you don't have any plans to gamble?
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  Well, that might be the smartest person to go to Vegas.
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  Because you'll much more worth it because then you'll have more money yeah
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  i mean really if you're not
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  gambling like the reason you go is you can watch unlimited
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  shows every day like if you're someone who enjoys watching theater shows you
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  can see like the you know what should be the best in the world like all in the
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  same place i think my my friend joel fenton who's been on this podcast before
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  stuntman joel on instagram after magic live i think he said he spent like three days
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  He's just watching back to back shows. Like he met him.
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  I think he watched like 20, 15, 20 shows, like proper tea.
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  If I was to try and do that in Australia, I'm getting to like one a month because
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  only like one good one's coming through every so often, let alone a magic show, maybe once a year.
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  That's why you go, I think. And it's pretty awesome.
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  So let's, what shows have you seen in Vegas, Doug?
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  I the big shows only
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  david copperfield and penn and teller and boy i
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  wish i would have had more time to go see some other shows i i
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  was looking up magic acts to see what i missed there's 13
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  or 14 major magic shows in that city that i'd love to see but i didn't want
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  to do and boy those are great ones probably realizes that many well and these
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  are just that like like there's more you know i was looking at this list and
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  i know they're not listing the close-up shows like Like one of my,
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  one of my favorite, I've never seen this guy.
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  One of the guys I'd like to see the most who does shows in Las Vegas is Paul
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  Vigil, but he does a small closeup show.
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  There's a few intimate theaters in Las Vegas where they do closeup theater.
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  And I would pick Paul Vigil over say Matt Franco, who I would love to see the Matt Franco show.
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  I'd love to see how he plays closeup to a big audience.
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  If I want to go see closeup and I do, I'm going to pick Paul Vigil.
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  And if he's in, if he's doing a show and I'm in Vegas, I'm going,
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  to paul viejo and that's not on the list you know
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  but it's one of the vegas shows i'd go see and now
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  i've named two of them oh good to know yeah i guess um who who does the ahern
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  theater i'm trying to think of the gentleman's name he's kind of an old school
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  fellow i'll come up with it before the end of the show i'll look it up there's
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  the a the ahern theater host close-up magic shows.
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  You know who i hear if i if i may continue rambling
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  dick losander has or had a
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  intimate theater i think they're becoming more popular the small close-up theaters
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  let me pop this on here for anyone who might be in vegas this is lorenzo clark's
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  close-up magic every tuesday oh vita Bella,
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  and he hosts a variety of local talent in these shows.
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  Let's see who's got Joshua and Bodine, Belasco.
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  Holy cow. He's there on the 13th. Hey, if you're in Las Vegas, go see Bodine, Belasco.
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  This guy basically does Del Rey's act and Del Rey's act.
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  Yeah. Go see Bodine, Belasco. So there's an example of a Vegas show.
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  You might not know about.
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  Holy crap. Yeah. No idea. I would have had no idea.
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  But you're over on the other side of the world too. So you got stuff going on
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  in Australia. I don't know what's
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  going on. You talk about the magic festival. I don't know about that.
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  I'm just, I'm just focused on the Brisbane theater of magic.
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  Ha ha ha ha. Would you say that that has affected your livelihood as a professional?
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  Are you turning down gigs to do the theater show or.
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  We, we not yet. We have a, an arrangement that if we get a gig, we just aren't there.
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  And it, and the other two guys look after it or we get in another magician.
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  Yeah. So we forgot that you have the multiple guys working for you.
• 21:55
  That has become a real asset. it so yeah it
• 21:59
  doesn't affect actual other gigs but what it does
• 22:02
  affect is my ability to like in a good way is to be able to try stage material
• 22:08
  like every week to get acts better and one of those routines that's really becoming
• 22:14
  very fun is i perform with henry harrius's cube buster which is a seven by seven cube.
• 22:23
  And I knew I wanted to find, cause I love Rubik's cubes, but I wanted to find a routine.
• 22:30
  I could move away from doing a matching cube effect because I've done it for
• 22:34
  years and every other magician that does cube work does matching effects.
• 22:38
  So it's better for me and them if I can learn something that's not that.
• 22:42
  And I've been doing this routine that works in with this seven by seven.
• 22:45
  And when I first did it, it worked like, it worked, but it worked.
• 22:51
  It just got a reaction to the seven by seven, you know, being sold.
• 22:55
  But then I figured out how to get like laugh beats throughout the routine and extra kickers to it.
• 23:03
  And it's now evolving. And even just last weekend,
• 23:06
  cause like we do the show twice on a Saturday after those two shows,
• 23:10
  I now added a new beat in that gets an extra
• 23:13
  laugh that wasn't ever there before and so
• 23:16
  that's really awesome as i get to keep evolving
• 23:19
  these shows much faster having the other magi there too
• 23:22
  if you miss a beat and they pick up on it right you get that that post show
• 23:25
  you know you're like oh that moment with the thing you're gonna do that thing
• 23:28
  again yeah 100 and i'll tell you a little detail because we film every show
• 23:33
  and i watch them back to pick up on nuances and and what you know what looks
• 23:39
  good and and things so we've added a a spirit bell
• 23:43
  into one of the amazing Nigel's routine.
• 23:46
  And the idea is that the hotel we're in, there was a murder in this hotel once
• 23:52
  back in the, you know, 80 years ago or something.
• 23:55
  So we talk about the room being haunted and for this one routine,
• 24:00
  he tries to summons this ghost.
• 24:03
  And so we have a spirit bell. So he goes, you know, give me a sign if you're
• 24:08
  there, and this bell would go off.
• 24:10
  And then we thought one day, what if to keep it funny, you do like a code, you know how you go like,
• 24:19
  And then, yeah. Right. So the
• 24:22
  last two would be the bell. So he would knock on the wall and the bell.
• 24:28
  So now, so we tried that and we're like, okay, but I was watching back the footage
• 24:33
  and I saw that when he did that, and then there was a pause,
• 24:38
  the spectator that's on stage.
• 24:41
  We didn't see this in real time, but the spectator turned around to,
• 24:44
  he thought he had to complete that. So for a second, you see him turn to go
• 24:50
  to the wall to do it, but the bell goes off first.
• 24:52
  So he stops and I caught that and I was like, ah, why don't you try that again?
• 24:57
  But we don't hit the bell and see if they do it.
• 25:00
  And so all of that stuff happens because where they're watching and we review it on camera.
• 25:05
  So it's just so much fun to do that. So that's what's good about the theater
• 25:09
  is it just evolves like a magic.
• 25:13
  But I digress. I love doing that. And I think they're becoming more popular.
• 25:16
  I know there's, I can't remember the name of it, but there's already a show
• 25:21
  like that in Vegas now, a close-up theater parlor experience.
• 25:26
  But, you know, you just mentioned a few others as well. Oh, yeah. I like that.
• 25:29
  But it's amazing. So I've also seen Penn and Teller and Copperfield.
• 25:37
  You've seen the alien version of Copperfield show or have you seen the one before
• 25:42
  it as well? Well, the alien one with the dinosaur same.
• 25:46
  So we've seen the same would go back in a heartbeat.
• 25:49
  It would probably be, I don't know. Would I go see that again before I saw all the other ones?
• 25:57
  Hmm, man, I'd love me some Copperfield. I mean, I would have liked,
• 26:00
  I would definitely like to have seen him flying.
• 26:03
  Like when he did his, you know, the show before the aliens. I saw that too.
• 26:07
  I saw him like, I've seen him eight times in eight different cities.
• 26:10
  So I started watching Copperfield in the 90s in Cincinnati, Ohio.
• 26:15
  I've moved around a lot in my life and every city I've lived in,
• 26:19
  I've managed to see him in Atlanta, Charlotte, New Orleans, Dothan.
• 26:25
  A couple of times in Cincinnati, I saw him in Beaumont, Texas. Yeah.
• 26:29
  Oh, damn. All right. You know, back in the day, he was on the road 300 days a year.
• 26:34
  Imagine that. Different city every night. My God.
• 26:39
  Unfathomable travel schedule. Like, I really, you would see what he was doing
• 26:43
  on the road, and it was unfathomable.
• 26:46
  That's crazy. Yeah. He's got two, at least one semi full of material.
• 26:51
  And from what I understand, it seems like this story is, I'm retelling it,
• 26:56
  but they actually developed a new load-in system for the way they load in the
• 27:00
  trucks. Was that story told on this podcast?
• 27:02
  I don't believe so. So the staff that works
• 27:05
  for Copperfield orchestrated a system of unloading and reloading the illusions
• 27:11
  back into the trucks as they're being performed to prepare to pull out for the
• 27:15
  next city and kind of revolutionize the industry as to how music acts even would
• 27:21
  prepare for these kind of arena events. Wow. Yeah.
• 27:25
  Yeah. And he would do it. He did the same thing in China, you know,
• 27:29
  today I'm in Beijing, tomorrow I'm in blah, blah, you know, and he's just hopping the globe.
• 27:33
  What a change of base to be in the same joint for
• 27:36
  how long has it been now 20 years oh my
• 27:39
  word yeah how could you go back to that after i
• 27:42
  don't know doing your own theater holy moly can you imagine working for him
• 27:46
  like the lords work chris kenner and homer lewag they were on the road for you
• 27:51
  know all that time i can't imagine yeah and i don't i imagine he is but i don't
• 27:58
  know for sure are his show's still active at the moment?
• 28:01
  He's still doing shows except Copperfield himself, who is just on autopilot. Oh, right. Right.
• 28:10
  That's funny. David's become an automaton. Yeah.
• 28:13
  So for anyone who hasn't seen a Copperfield show, it is astounding what a tight
• 28:19
  ship and well-oiled machine it is.
• 28:21
  Like his staff are like ninjas dressed in black, moving around the theater,
• 28:27
  getting ready for the next thing that's going to involve a spectator.
• 28:30
  And they've cleared out that little space.
• 28:31
  They've moved people so the cameras
• 28:33
  can see what, you know, just him when Copperfield eventually comes up.
• 28:38
  That show is like he's in your face the whole time he's in the crowd after the
• 28:42
  show it's not a big theater like the pennantella theater it's like a cabaret
• 28:47
  dinner theater style thing yeah.
• 28:50
  Really incredible like it's such a tight ship it's ridiculous like even down
• 28:56
  to there's a little guard so you can't see copperfield putting hand sanitizer
• 29:01
  on him which he does every time he finishes in the the audience and comes back on stage.
• 29:06
  He grabs sanitizer and there's just like a little lip on this bench so that he can walk past.
• 29:12
  He's like, you know, everyone's applauding at the thing that just happened and
• 29:15
  he can do that as he comes back on stage.
• 29:17
  And now he keeps going. Like there's so many little details,
• 29:20
  not to mention like the, the, the screen he has hidden in the corner to remember
• 29:25
  people's names and stuff. And like, Oh my God.
• 29:28
  Anyway, but the magic itself is awesome. but yeah it's it's
• 29:31
  it's it's insane but then you go to pen
• 29:34
  and teller and it's like such an opposite they
• 29:37
  don't use screens to project what's
• 29:40
  happening on stage because they just want you to see it raw
• 29:43
  you know it's a massive theater and there's
• 29:48
  really i don't remember seeing any staff on stage moving things or whatever
• 29:53
  it's just them yeah that's a little more it's a different style show right you
• 29:58
  know a little more would you call it like more vaudeville like it's more like old school.
• 30:05
  Theater yeah just more is
• 30:09
  the word poignant i don't know more there's
• 30:14
  more substance in the penn and teller show you know the copperfield show is
• 30:17
  a bigger production value for sure but you come away from the penn and teller
• 30:21
  show kind of feeling like you've seen art like you've been changed not that
• 30:26
  copperfield show isn't that way you you feel like you've been through an amazing
• 30:30
  experience, but couldn't tell her going to make you think about your life,
• 30:34
  you know, about your choices about, you know, your value systems.
• 30:40
  Copperfield maybe doesn't get that deep in his show. So that's a good way to
• 30:44
  put it. And you feel like they're actually there too, in the moment.
• 30:47
  And, and the fact that they'll come out after the show and just take photos
• 30:51
  with everyone for free. Let's speak on that though.
• 30:54
  Cause Copperfield used to do that at every theater show
• 30:57
  he would do a 5 000 seat theater
• 31:00
  and then the line would be 400 people
• 31:04
  and he would sign autographs i
• 31:07
  don't know how long does it take i how long does it take to do hundreds of people
• 31:11
  hour now there's no 300 days a year for 10 years are you kidding me and he did
• 31:18
  that that's some serious commitment you sit your butt in the chair and say hello
• 31:22
  to anyone who wants to say hi to you after that kind of show. Wow.
• 31:27
  Okay, well, I see why he doesn't do it now. I think he has the world's record
• 31:31
  for most autographs because of this.
• 31:33
  If you look up the Guinness book of world records, he's done more signatures
• 31:37
  because of those events than any. Yeah.
• 31:39
  Yeah. Holy moly. Okay.
• 31:42
  The goat. He is the goat. He's number one. You can't argue it really.
• 31:48
  Insane. So yeah, they just, you can't really rate the two of them.
• 31:51
  They're just so different, even though they're magic shows.
• 31:54
  I just rated Copperfield number one. I did rate it. Okay.
• 31:57
  We did yeah yeah he's better number two there's
• 32:00
  two of them they can have two yeah all right then
• 32:03
  i've seen matt king's show in vegas of course okay if there was a regret is
• 32:11
  that he was not in town the week i was there he would have been number one for
• 32:15
  sure i would have gone to see him before copperfield might not have been a better
• 32:19
  show because of the production but i bet i bet,
• 32:23
  it's interesting yeah the production is way more raw it's
• 32:26
  him with the suitcase case and you know him which is the main reason why people
• 32:30
  go to see it you know and then he has like he'll have like a camping tent on
• 32:34
  stage at one point and he does have some illusions built into what looks like
• 32:40
  ordinary objects which is very cool like cardboard boxes and such,
• 32:44
  but yeah it's just now that show you can tell he's in the moment 100 because
• 32:50
  all of his jokes and lines are based on what's happening with the spectator
• 32:54
  and in the audience and different show because, you know, I watched it in the afternoon,
• 32:59
  like it's a, you know, it's a family affair, like there's families,
• 33:02
  there's kids there, but it's just a fun, such a fun, funny show to watch and,
• 33:07
  and crazy magic, you know, like the stuff with the bloody guinea pig and things like that.
• 33:14
  The goldfish, like he's doing some crazy stuff that you just wouldn't go to
• 33:19
  the lengths to do in a normal show, but not to mention he's doing it multiple
• 33:23
  times a day, every day, it's insane.
• 33:26
  Master, a master. I wonder if he's accidentally ever swallowed a goldfish by
• 33:31
  accident, like just like burped or something. I bet he's got a couple of three fish stories.
• 33:35
  Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. But his show, very enjoyable, very fun.
• 33:41
  I'd go see it in a heartbeat. because it feels different every time because of
• 33:44
  the nature of his show i've seen
• 33:47
  mac live in the comedy club one of my all-time favorite magic experiences if
• 33:54
  you get a chance to go see mac king anywhere go see him now a show a show that
• 33:59
  i haven't seen but i've heard rivals like the entertainment value of mac king
• 34:03
  is mike hammer you know what josh i had just pulled up this website site,
• 34:07
  as we were talking about Mac and I was like, I didn't go see Mike either,
• 34:11
  but apparently his show is just crazy. Good.
• 34:14
  Look, Chris Angel likes it. It must be good.
• 34:18
  Funniest show in Vegas. My camera. I, and I reckon he's not far off it because
• 34:24
  even just seeing his performance on Fool Us was hilarious.
• 34:30
  Yeah, for sure. This would be one of the first shows I would go see in Las Las
• 34:33
  Vegas on returning there.
• 34:36
  I'd go see this. My camera show. No doubt about it.
• 34:38
  Also, my good friend, Kevin, the pine works the same theater doing a hypnosis unleashed. He does.
• 34:44
  I should get Kevin on here and have him talk about his magic show and hypnotist, Kevin, the pine.
• 34:49
  How about I reach out to Kevin? We'll have him talk about being a Vegas, Vegas show.
• 34:54
  Oh, that would be insane. That'd be amazing. Yeah. He's been out there.
• 34:58
  I don't know. He might be going on 15, 20 years working that same room with my camera.
• 35:04
  Damn yeah well we've got to have him
• 35:06
  on it's said he's on freemont street so same
• 35:09
  area i was talking about before you go watch the street performers then go
• 35:12
  breeze in and see my my camera later you have a whole magic day here oh okay
• 35:17
  now someone mentioned let me see if i can backtrack someone mentioned just going
• 35:22
  to see a Cirque du Soleil show in vegas is worth the travel oh it was here we
• 35:28
  go Cirque du Soleil shows in vegas are worth the visit.
• 35:32
  By itself. It's a non-magic show. Yeah. And I can, I can mention,
• 35:36
  I've seen Michael Jackson, the one by Cirque du Soleil and that show,
• 35:41
  if you guys have, if you guys are familiar with Xavier Mortimer,
• 35:45
  who we had on the podcast,
• 35:46
  you know, massive social media magician star and Vegas star and just amazing
• 35:50
  guy and fantastic magician.
• 35:53
  He first got his start in Vegas by being one of the main characters in this
• 35:58
  Michael Jackson one show, because there's a character in there that does some
• 36:03
  magic amongst everything.
• 36:06
  So I saw that character when I went to see it and there, yeah,
• 36:09
  there's some magic that they've built custom stuff.
• 36:12
  I don't know. It's hard to talk. What about this show going on right now?
• 36:16
  The mad apple, this, this current show, which is a Cirque du Soleil production features magician.
• 36:22
  Oh yeah. Nick defot is he's performing.
• 36:27
  Now, so if you're in Las Vegas for Magic Live, you want to go see a Cirque show.
• 36:31
  And let me tell you about Nick Defott. I got to enjoy this young man's comedy
• 36:36
  at the Winter Carnival of Magic last March.
• 36:39
  And wow, he's a riot. And I'm sure he's killing it in this room.
• 36:42
  So this one also is on my list. Mad Apple. If I was in Vegas this week,
• 36:46
  that would be one of the tickets I'd buy. Go see that show.
• 36:51
  100%. I've seen a few magicians raving about it. Adam Trent has been raving
• 36:55
  about it being in the show.
• 36:57
  The fantastic UK magician that I'm so annoyed I can't remember his name of is in the show.
• 37:02
  Great stuff. He was an emcee at Magic Live the year I went.
• 37:07
  Harrison Greenbaum did it for a while. Hell yeah.
• 37:11
  More of an adult theme show from my understanding, you know,
• 37:14
  so it's a little more edgy, which I love.
• 37:17
  Right. And just to speak on the Cirque du Soleil that I did get to see,
• 37:21
  what's so crazy about it is there's, it's, it's so much more of a grand production
• 37:28
  than any magic show I've ever seen.
• 37:30
  They had led screens built into the walls of the theater.
• 37:34
  So at one point you're seeing i feel like it was digital birds or something or or fireworks or.
• 37:41
  Stars or something and it would start on the stage
• 37:44
  and it just went and it would just go all around the
• 37:47
  room because the walls are led panels and
• 37:50
  then you've got like people up on the freaking roof doing
• 37:54
  stunts then you've got people on the ground the whole
• 37:57
  time there's this opera singer that's just floating on like
• 38:00
  a ring she's like sitting on this ring like sort of halfway way to the side
• 38:04
  of the theater and then the the weirdest thing i saw which i've never seen in
• 38:08
  my life is i had what i can only call a sandwich trampoline and it's like a
• 38:13
  trampoline on the ground and then there's a trampoline on the roof and this
• 38:18
  guy was bouncing between,
• 38:20
  the two trampolines so weird that sounds
• 38:23
  like a lot of fun though and what he was doing was he
• 38:26
  was bouncing on his back on the one on the ground and then
• 38:29
  he'd bounce up and he would use his feet to jump on
• 38:33
  the one that's on the roof so he's pushing himself down
• 38:36
  coming back up and it's so
• 38:39
  weird to watch but so amazing and then
• 38:42
  they had magic in the show and then not to mention they had michael jackson
• 38:47
  michael jackson i objection no they had michael jackson appear as a hologram
• 38:54
  and they had like what i would call a ghost screen so it looks like he's standing with the dancers.
• 39:06
  And that was just such a crazy production to watch, but the mad apple,
• 39:11
  I'd love to see Adonis is also mentioning piff.
• 39:15
  Piff the magic dragon. That would also be a great show to go and watch.
• 39:18
  And, uh, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,
• 39:20
  Who else is out there? What about Chris Angel? Would you go see that show?
• 39:24
  I think I have to, just for the sake of, you know, you got to see it.
• 39:27
  I would love to see Blaine's show as well. If I was ever there.
• 39:30
  Yeah, you're right. The same, you know, time of the month that he's doing that
• 39:34
  show. Obviously that's.
• 39:36
  Who would you pick between the two? If you could go see Blaine or Angel, who gets the pick?
• 39:45
  Well, Blaine's show has a higher probability of seeing some action,
• 39:48
  like seeing something go wrong or a celebrity turn up and being involved in the thing or whatever.
• 39:56
  But I feel like Criss Angel, you're going to get more entertainment value out of it, right?
• 40:01
  I agree. So it's so tough but I feel like, yeah, I might pick Criss Angel just for curiosity.
• 40:10
  Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you on that.
• 40:13
  I'd love to see David Blaine, but I feel I feel like I'd be not quite as exciting
• 40:19
  as watching Chris Angel's LED screens.
• 40:21
  He got me all excited when you're talking about that Cirque experience.
• 40:24
  I'm not expecting Chris Angel to be good. I'm just expecting the production to be good.
• 40:29
  Yeah. Yeah. Well, he talked about it on his interview.
• 40:34
  Was it with Penguin that did it? I think it was Penguin.
• 40:37
  They interviewed him and he basically taught. I think they used the theater
• 40:41
  of magic live during one of the times there was no seminar in there.
• 40:45
  And he talked about how he would go to the big tech conferences in Vegas,
• 40:50
  talk to those guys and say, Hey, you can put all your stuff in my theater and I'll promote it.
• 40:56
  And he got all the new age technology for free as a, you know,
• 41:01
  contra thing where now it's crazy. So smart.
• 41:07
  Yeah. This is, this is Mike points out 10, 10 minutes of silence as he holds
• 41:11
  his breath. It's like, oh, yeah, David Blaine, Joel floating around the stage or something, you know?
• 41:17
  That's a good point yeah yeah i mean
• 41:21
  yeah is that the interval is that
• 41:23
  what he does for the interval is he holds his breath while everyone
• 41:26
  takes a break i don't know i would think you're done after that after you're
• 41:31
  soaking wet and you've held your breath for 10 minutes you're probably not doing
• 41:33
  much for the rest of the night i mean you'd also say that if you stabbed your
• 41:38
  hand with a bloody ice pick but there's so many parts in there you'd think he
• 41:44
  wouldn't do anything thing afterwards.
• 41:45
  Right? Like he puts the ice pick through his bicep in every show. What a crazy person.
• 41:50
  He jumps off the 20 foot story thing, which is proven to be dangerous.
• 41:55
  Yeah. Then he's holding his breath for far too long than a human should.
• 41:59
  All those three things should be closes where you don't do anything after it,
• 42:02
  but he, he does, I think he's got a residency going on either now or soon. So he might be there now.
• 42:10
  Yeah. And then of course you've got, uh, Shin Lim's going to be in a new show, rather at a new casino.
• 42:17
  Colin Cloud has his own one man show now instead of the double show he did with Shin Lim.
• 42:23
  You know, I don't, I don't know.
• 42:26
  There's just too many. There's, you know, which is a great thing.
• 42:30
  Amazing. We didn't talk about Jen Kramer.
• 42:33
  She was on this list too. Apparently you're the great show. A female magician
• 42:37
  been holding down court for, I don't know, a couple of five years, maybe longer.
• 42:41
  Wow. Nice to know that's happening in Las Vegas and successfully in extended time. Let's go women.
• 42:48
  We need, yeah, we need a trip just to go and see all the shows,
• 42:53
  let alone magic life, and then you've got the wonder ground, right?
• 42:57
  Coming back McBride show at the area 15. is
• 43:00
  that where it's at now love that yeah yeah
• 43:03
  crazy stuff crazy stuff well
• 43:06
  hey we caden is in the chat right now he
• 43:09
  sent through a speak pipe just this morning thank you
• 43:12
  caden what's up caden let's get on to what our fellow listener is up to hey
• 43:16
  guys it's caden from minnesota so i have a gig story and a question for you
• 43:20
  guys based off of that story so i've been doing some close-up performing mainly
• 43:25
  at some of the college groups i'm a part of and one of the tricks i've been
• 43:29
  doing is lucky Ladybug from Duskala,
• 43:31
  which I actually heard about from when Nick reviewed that trick on the pod.
• 43:35
  So thanks for putting me onto it.
• 43:37
  Anyway, I do the whole part after Ladybug disappears and tell them it takes
• 43:41
  a very special or a very lucky person to make it come back. And I was doing it for this girl.
• 43:47
  And when the girl waved her hand over the card, she saw the little bug on her
• 43:51
  hand and she freaked out like she was smacking her hand and ended up throwing it on the ground.
• 43:57
  It's because unbeknownst to me, she was actually afraid of bugs and thought the ladybug was real.
• 44:01
  It was definitely an unexpected moment because, as you know,
• 44:04
  the trick is supposed to leave a good feeling for the person.
• 44:06
  I talked to her and showed her it was fake. She actually has it in her car now as a travel buddy.
• 44:11
  But that actually leads to my question. Have you guys ever had a trick that
• 44:15
  the spectator has had a different reaction than you were expecting or maybe
• 44:19
  had in mind for the trick?
• 44:21
  Thanks, guys. Love the pod. Keep it up.
• 44:23
  Yo, thank you, Caden. Much love right back.
• 44:27
  Guys, this is so, please send in more of these because they're just such a joy
• 44:31
  to hear what you guys are up to and working in the real world for muggles.
• 44:36
  Yeah, there's a place in my world for Lucky Ladybug where I use it.
• 44:40
  Is this something you indulge in?
• 44:43
  You know, I've been meaning to get that out and test drive it,
• 44:45
  haven't yet. Like I literally haven't done a show since I've had that trick in my universe.
• 44:50
  Gotcha. I have performed the precursor to that, the web by Jim Pace,
• 44:57
  worked in a magic shop and it was very popular effect.
• 45:00
  The spider appears on the back of someone's hand and you want to talk about
• 45:04
  people freaking out. It's a problem.
• 45:06
  It's too scary. So I do have experience and do not do that trick.
• 45:13
  But the web is not in my repertoire.
• 45:16
  It's too scary for me. I reckon Lucky Ladybug would be perfect for your grandchildren.
• 45:22
  It's the perfect kids, like wonderful. For sure. That's going to be awesome.
• 45:28
  And my computer's doing something weird. But for Caden's point,
• 45:32
  Nick K busts out this trick a lot.
• 45:36
  And when he visited us in Brisbane, performed at the Theatre of Magic,
• 45:39
  after the show, he performed it for a kid that I filmed, and it's on his Instagram.
• 45:44
  And he has a line, a very simple disarming line to check that they're not afraid of ladybugs.
• 45:51
  So I'm going to play, I've got to, you can watch it on his Instagram,
• 45:54
  but I'll just play it so you hear the audio and you can hear what he says when
• 45:58
  he starts the trick. So this is...
• 46:02
  I got these three little logs from my garden. Yeah. Log number one has a ladybug.
• 46:06
  You cool with ladybugs? Yeah. You bet.
• 46:09
  Log number two. Did that come through on the audio? You cool with ladybugs? You bet.
• 46:13
  Yeah. You cool with ladybugs? Yeah. And that's it. And so I've adapted that straight away.
• 46:18
  I'm like. It's not even a question. He's just doing positive affirmation on the moment.
• 46:23
  So he's reinforcing that they're cool ladybugs. He's not asking them. He's telling.
• 46:27
  Yeah. And that's even actually better. Yeah. I mean. I mean,
• 46:30
  so I, I just, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you like them?
• 46:35
  Oh, that's what I say. Do you like ladybugs? Yeah. Yeah.
• 46:38
  Okay, great. Who says no to that? Yeah, exactly. I hate ladybugs.
• 46:42
  And they, and they, yeah, but, but it will help you in case someone is like,
• 46:49
  oh, I get so freaked out by them or whatever.
• 46:51
  Then, you know, okay, I might just, you know, take that back and it'd be fine.
• 46:55
  But yeah, Caden, awesome, man. He says, I'm going to try that line out.
• 46:59
  So go for it. It's such a disarming line and it's wonderful.
• 47:03
  I was just listening to Derren Brown's interview with the Penguin Magic podcast last week.
• 47:09
  It's very much worth watching.
• 47:12
  And he talks about in their show, in his later show, Showman,
• 47:18
  there's a routine that they had to alter because of how people reacted in a
• 47:24
  way he didn't think would happen.
• 47:25
  And some people listening to me talk about this might already start remembering
• 47:29
  what I'm saying, but basically there's a routine in his show where he takes
• 47:35
  away people's memory, like a temporary memory.
• 47:39
  Like extraction, I guess. And he does it on stage first with a spectator, right?
• 47:46
  The spectator has a card under their hand and there's a box on the stage.
• 47:50
  And the first, and Derren Brown talks about all this, so I'm not revealing anything
• 47:55
  in the show, but he says, so the spectator has a card under their hand.
• 47:58
  Okay. Then the lights go out and the lights come back on and the card has gone
• 48:03
  from their hand and now it's in the box.
• 48:05
  And everyone thinks, well, when the light was off, you must have taken it.
• 48:08
  But Darren says, no, you don't remember this, but when the lights went out,
• 48:13
  you put the card in the box yourself and then you forgot that you did it.
• 48:16
  So then he goes, let's do it again, but without the lights going off.
• 48:20
  And no kidding. You see, once he starts, the spectator is hypnotized.
• 48:26
  They put the card in the box themselves,
• 48:28
  put their hand back down and they can't believe that it's gone.
• 48:31
  And they're able to play back the footage for that person. Wow.
• 48:35
  Watching That sounds so good. It's crazy. Right. And they're like,
• 48:39
  oh my God. But then they do it a third time. Wow.
• 48:43
  And on the third time, there's a weird glitch in the room.
• 48:48
  Like there's a little, the lights don't go off, but there's a little like,
• 48:51
  and a chair that is in one spot is now over here.
• 48:56
  And the card is in the box again. But this time he explains that he,
• 49:02
  he made the whole audience forget that that just happened.
• 49:07
  And at the end of the show, they play the footage of them moving the chair from
• 49:13
  one stage to the other, that spectator that you're seeing on stage,
• 49:16
  put the thing in the box again.
• 49:17
  And Darren Brown moved from like one side of the stage to the other to,
• 49:21
  to confirm that you actually just experienced what you experienced.
• 49:26
  It's so insane. He's so next level.
• 49:29
  It's insane, right? Like, imagine that as a premise for a magic show. It's ridiculous.
• 49:32
  But he's freaking doing it. So he started getting real complaints about people not being cool with him,
• 49:43
  taking away their memory without their like agreeing to it so much.
• 49:49
  So like enough people that they had to put a disclaimer in the show.
• 49:53
  Like, if you are not cool with me doing this, now's the time to leave the theater,
• 49:59
  like to like have a break for five minutes and the ushers will let you know when to come back in.
• 50:05
  But imagine doing an effect so strong that they're not okay with you having
• 50:10
  that power to do that on them.
• 50:14
  Like I'm assuming there's no actual hypnotism being used, right?
• 50:18
  It's all magic methods and hokum.
• 50:21
  There's no actual harm to be had by the spectators, right? Yeah.
• 50:25
  I think no harm to be had is for sure. True.
• 50:28
  Unlike if you're in a Copperfield show and he asked you to vanish,
• 50:31
  you might end up in court. Oh man.
• 50:35
  Hey, you know what? Or, or if you go to dinner with him, you might end up in court.
• 50:40
  Yeah. Yeah, guys, I'll give you a little inside scoop here too.
• 50:43
  I don't know if I should even, I don't like touching on this stuff,
• 50:46
  but the wife of that guy that ended up in the lawsuit reached out to this show to be on it.
• 50:54
  And I had to like through different social media platform and I had to shut
• 50:58
  that shit down so quick because I want to be welcomed back in Vegas one day.
• 51:03
  You know, I can't be involved in that, but, but that person actually reached
• 51:07
  out to talk to her. You can take the week off. Give me her number.
• 51:11
  Set up a pod. I'll chat with this lady. Yeah.
• 51:14
  She's looking to milk this for every last.
• 51:17
  Let me squeeze out every bit of celebrity I can from this debacle.
• 51:21
  A hundred percent. A hundred percent. But yeah, that was a bit,
• 51:24
  that was a bit dicey. I yeah.
• 51:25
  Anyway, cause I don't think you're even allowed to talk about an ongoing lawsuit.
• 51:29
  Like if you're involved in it and, but, but she was like, she was so keen,
• 51:33
  but hey, I wish you all the best, but you know, it's we try to.
• 51:38
  Interview magicians, unfortunately. Really? Call me. I'll talk to you. Yeah.
• 51:42
  Boy, you just wait for the can you've just opened.
• 51:47
  But yeah, so yeah, I mean, that's the only story I could think of where an effect
• 51:51
  has caused a reaction you didn't expect.
• 51:54
  My buddy, Christopher Wayne, he was telling me that when he hung out with Darren Brown,
• 52:00
  post-show, I think this might've been when they were in the UK doing the Edinburgh Fringe shows,
• 52:05
  he was in Darren Brown's dressing room with
• 52:08
  him and the staff came
• 52:12
  in to ask Darren a question and Darren's like
• 52:15
  oh not no no not not today and Chris
• 52:18
  is like huh and what happens is after
• 52:21
  every show there's a always a
• 52:25
  certain amount of people that are knocking on the backstage
• 52:28
  to get in contact with Darren because they
• 52:31
  feel like they're still hypnotized after his show and
• 52:34
  they're worried that they'll react to things and like they're
• 52:38
  still under the influence and he gets like five people or
• 52:40
  so knocking to like get unhypnotized like
• 52:44
  every time and so much so that he knows
• 52:47
  when he sees uh someone come in he's like no not now not again like imagine
• 52:54
  having that effect like imagine you do the coin matrix and people are like i'm
• 53:00
  not okay with you stopping time to move that coin from one hand to the other
• 53:04
  i want that time back or you know like something.
• 53:10
  Crazy it's a hot night tonight or good morning exactly yeah i'm trying to think
• 53:16
  if i've done anything that's ever like i guess when you do any mind reading
• 53:20
  effect like sometimes you get the people that really want to believe in psychics
• 53:23
  and stuff like that and they will We'll maybe go a little overboard.
• 53:26
  One year at Thanksgiving, I produced the turkey carcass itself.
• 53:30
  That was a questionable moment that I'm not sure everyone appreciated the same
• 53:34
  way that I envisioned it. Very Mulaney-esque.
• 53:38
  Jeez. Well, okay. And there's one other story and I'll leave it.
• 53:42
  There's a hypnotist that does cruise ships and I was talking to him and he told
• 53:47
  me how there's a big rule on cruise ships.
• 53:50
  The only real rule is if you're an entertainer on a cruise ship,
• 53:54
  you can't sleep with the patrons on the cruise ship. Is that an official rule?
• 53:58
  It's like a very big no-no. Like you,
• 54:02
  if you, if you get caught, like if you get caught because they don't want the
• 54:07
  look of entertainers or staff floating with patrons on the ship, right? Right.
• 54:14
  What they say, what they say is you're welcome to exchange numbers and do whatever
• 54:19
  you want off the ship, like after your contract.
• 54:22
  Yeah. They really, it's really, really frowned upon, but this guy's been doing
• 54:27
  cruises for like months.
• 54:28
  20, 30 years. And he said back in the day, like everyone would do it.
• 54:33
  It's just that you would really, you know, you just wouldn't make it and you
• 54:36
  do it, you know, discreetly. Yeah.
• 54:39
  But he was telling me once he broke the rule, right. And he got with this woman
• 54:45
  and he's a hypnotist on the show.
• 54:47
  And then it turned out that this woman was an absolute nutter.
• 54:51
  And she was one night saying, come back to my room. He's like, no.
• 54:56
  And she went manic. She was like, come back to my room now, blah, blah, blah.
• 55:00
  And he didn't. And then she decided to tell everyone that he hypnotized her to sleep with him.
• 55:08
  To the point where he was, they don't have like a jail in cruise ships,
• 55:13
  but he was like cordoned off. In the brig? To this area.
• 55:17
  Oh my. So that, so that when they docked, police came to actually interview
• 55:22
  him because that, that would be classified as the big R, right?
• 55:26
  If you really have been made to do something you didn't know.
• 55:30
  Anyway, when the cops came and she said, I was hypnotized to sleep with him.
• 55:35
  They just laughed their asses off.
• 55:36
  They're like, you expect us to believe that is true. And everything was dismissed.
• 55:42
  But what a scary thing. And they, yeah, they just didn't believe.
• 55:46
  Talk about your gig stories.
• 55:48
  Word of it. That is a true gig story. Yeah. Scott Link says the love boat.
• 55:53
  Yeah. Literally. Literally. Yeah.
• 55:56
  Crazy stuff. Look, I think, oh, we're not out of time yet. We're getting there.
• 56:00
  But man, yeah, I haven't had any crazy stuff like that, fortunately.
• 56:05
  But man, that's some crazy stuff. That is crazy.
• 56:10
  I can't wait to go to Magic Live next year. You know what I mean?
• 56:13
  But hopefully we get some more updates from Nick as we go.
• 56:15
  I know if you keep an eye on his Instagram, he's putting up some pretty cool stuff.
• 56:20
  Like the photo with Teller that Doug showed us.
• 56:23
  And it's crazy. But you know what we haven't talked about is,
• 56:26
  Doug, what is the latest with your Learn Sleight of Hand site?
• 56:31
  As a node.
• 56:33
  Yeah, I've been building the new university to learn sleight of hand.
• 56:37
  Last couple of weeks, I've just been being a business person. Yeah.
• 56:41
  Dealing with banking issues. I'm actually buying new membership software tomorrow
• 56:45
  to fill in some gaps and things that have been causing me problems.
• 56:49
  So we're staying in beta month for another month in August and building the
• 56:53
  site. But let me tell you, I'm off to a great start.
• 56:56
  We've got, I think I've got 100 plus members on the site already.
• 57:00
  Our first two live events have gone off to great success. We're getting great
• 57:04
  feedback and interest from the students that are there.
• 57:07
  The Discord is more popular than ever.
• 57:10
  And I really feel like we have a community of like-minded individuals that are
• 57:14
  coming together to enjoy this art.
• 57:16
  So I couldn't be happier with the way things are. It's a lot of work.
• 57:20
  But literally as of today, I don't have to wake up and think about banking problems,
• 57:25
  which is something I've had to do every day for weeks.
• 57:28
  It's unbelievable how companies that manage business money don't have phone
• 57:33
  numbers where you can talk to humans to handle your banking issues.
• 57:38
  So yeah, how's it been challenging, but wonderful.
• 57:43
  That's amazing. Nick has been around for just about everything,
• 57:47
  but a joy it is to have him in my multiverse.
• 57:50
  Yeah, yeah, we got, yeah, Nick and Scott are both raving in the class.
• 57:55
  Fast study, fast studies around.
• 57:58
  Sheesh. That's awesome, man. That's freaking great. So yeah,
• 58:02
  as I continue to fill it out and blow it up more, I will be talking more and
• 58:05
  more about it. I'm still in the building phase.
• 58:07
  You know, I don't think this site's going to be really ready to,
• 58:10
  to like trumpet the horns probably till October, November.
• 58:14
  I'll have all the courses flushed out all the bugs squashed and
• 58:17
  just looking forward to making good magic every day
• 58:20
  and something for the listeners we have planned already to have nick and i teach
• 58:26
  some of our magic on doug's platform at some point i was actually going to reach
• 58:31
  out to you guys for august but because of you know nick's running around half
• 58:34
  the country and i really want to do something on my own for this next event
• 58:37
  i had a guest on the first one just
• 58:40
  to keep it like super manageable for this month.
• 58:42
  Just it's going to be solo flying, but yeah, magic guys teach and that's happening.
• 58:47
  I've already locked you guys down for that. You said yes already. Oh yeah.
• 58:50
  Yeah. So stay, it's, you know, it's bound to be fire in there even more so than it is crazy.
• 58:56
  Right. Well, look, we're at the end. Let me think really quick.
• 59:00
  Cause we just had a bunch of shows and I'm sure I have some kind of word of
• 59:04
  the day and I'm sure I'll, I'll think, but guys, thanks for watching.
• 59:08
  We're going to go with the final word and look, let's just keep watching Nick
• 59:13
  and live vicariously through him until next week. Let's go.
• 59:21
  So we come to the end of another week and slowly, but surely we hear you guys
• 59:26
  giving us stories of the first gigs you're starting to do the start,
• 59:29
  the first like real performance is just starting to do.
• 59:32
  And, you know, it just makes me think of that's where it's at.
• 59:35
  That's why we do what we do, because it's fun to perform on the internet,
• 59:38
  but it's even more funner, which is not a word, to perform to real people and
• 59:43
  get the real reactions to things that it deserves.
• 59:47
  And it makes you feel good and it gets you more obsessed with doing magic.
• 59:50
  So please reach out anytime you have questions of performing in the wild,
• 59:54
  as we say, in the trenches.
• 59:56
  And success is on the other side of fear. So it feels pretty scary to go and
• 1:00:01
  perform, but you do it and you'll feel amazing.
• 1:00:06
  Thanks for listening it's time for us to disappear now disappear now but we'll
• 1:00:12
  see you again on the next episode of the magic guys.