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Personal Defense Lessons Inspired By The Recent Shootings · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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Speaker 2: Long is this scupping on one? And you know, I
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Speaker 2: mean I know a little bit about that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess yeah.
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Speaker 1: You're anyway, good to see you.
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Speaker 2: How are you? I'm doing great? How about you?
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Speaker 1: Good? We are starting in New York City and just
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Speaker 1: as just fate would have had would have it where
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Speaker 1: that shooting took place in downtown Manhattan, you were there
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Speaker 1: a week before.
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Speaker 2: Yep, sure was well right by that building. Remember looking
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Speaker 2: at the signs and going, Wow, the building's got a
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Speaker 2: lot of different, big, big entities in it.
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Speaker 1: When you started to hear the specifics, and as you know,
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Speaker 1: we leave names out. We don't want to give any
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Speaker 1: credibility or honor to the shooting, to shooters in these
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Speaker 1: types of ridiculous crimes. When you recognized that, oh, this
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Speaker 1: was a shooting in Manhattan, I was there, does it
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Speaker 1: bring a little more context to you?
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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, yeah?
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Speaker 1: What what immediately starts running through your mind.
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Speaker 2: The fact that nobody engaged him walking down the sidewalk
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Speaker 2: with an ar or with a rifle. Uh. You know,
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Speaker 2: that's just if you've never been there. I mean, there's
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Speaker 2: everybody walks in those areas because everything is so compact
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Speaker 2: and cluster together, and you you know, you walk down
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Speaker 2: the street and you look up and you can't see
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Speaker 2: the top. You know, it's like being in the redwood
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Speaker 2: forest and it's akuoia trees. I mean, it's just just
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Speaker 2: but everybody walks. It's Uh, there was one day we
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Speaker 2: were up there and we like my watch said the
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Speaker 2: twenty five thousand steps that day. You know, just trying
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Speaker 2: to see things. But and there's law enforcement everywhere milling around,
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Speaker 2: walking the street, standing on the corners. So I was
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Speaker 2: I was very shocked that he actually got into the
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Speaker 2: building with the with a very openly carried rifle. That
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Speaker 2: was That was the first thing, you know. And there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of building security up there as far as
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Speaker 2: having people posted places, you see a lot of.
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Speaker 1: Are security guards allowed to be armed in New York City?
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I didn't see a lot of private security armed private security.
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Speaker 2: It's a lot of privates security, like if you go
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Speaker 2: to any of the we we went to a Target
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Speaker 2: store that was a Target that was right down the
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Speaker 2: street from where we were staying, to grab some drinks
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Speaker 2: and stuff for the refrigerator in the room. And they
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Speaker 2: had somebody standing at the door I'm assuming for you know,
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Speaker 2: for shoplifting, But they weren't armed. But you see a
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Speaker 2: lot of a lot of law enforcement just kind of
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Speaker 2: hanging around, so I'm assuming that they're not posted there.
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Speaker 2: They're probably working off duty or whatever.
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Speaker 1: And obviously we have to make a few assumptions in
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Speaker 1: talking about this, but but there was an armed security
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Speaker 1: guard inside. He was an off duty New York City
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Speaker 1: police officer right, and he got somehow someone got the
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Speaker 1: jump on him.
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Speaker 2: He was shot in the back too, so you know
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Speaker 2: from what I understand that So he may have never
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Speaker 2: seen he may have never seen the threat period. He
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Speaker 2: may have been you know.
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Speaker 1: Distracted looking or yeah, just facing the wrong way, might
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Speaker 1: have been looking at his phone for all we.
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Speaker 2: Know, who knowsh.
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Speaker 1: What do you think are the takeaways from a story
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Speaker 1: like that as it relates to people listening right now
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Speaker 1: that own a business, You need to.
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Speaker 2: Have some kind of security measures in place, depending on
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Speaker 2: what you know what your business is hard to do
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Speaker 2: that in a retail setting, but if you're not in
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Speaker 2: a retail setting, or you're not in a setting where
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Speaker 2: you get visitors on a regular basis, and even if
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Speaker 2: you do, you may want to have a buzz in
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Speaker 2: system or somebody at least somebody there at the front
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Speaker 2: door that can defend the facility if necessary.
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Speaker 1: That conversation needs to be had by every business regardless,
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Speaker 1: because as we talked about when we discussed this story,
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Speaker 1: nobody went to work that day in that office building
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Speaker 1: expecting that to happen.
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Speaker 2: But you could tell they had had some training. The
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Speaker 2: barricading some of them. You know, they barricaded the doors
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Speaker 2: very well. It probably would have been a much higher
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Speaker 2: loss of life had they not been somewhat prepared, somebody
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Speaker 2: at least showing them a video.
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Speaker 1: And therein is sort of the backhanded way of reinforcing
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Speaker 1: what we've been saying for years. Absolutely, have a plan,
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Speaker 1: have a plan.
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Speaker 2: Some kind of plans better than no plan.
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Speaker 1: So if you're a business owner, your manager, maybe have
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Speaker 1: a meeting, maybe talk about it among your leadership team.
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Speaker 1: And if you're an employee, maybe suggest one. Yeah, the
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Speaker 1: headline in a Fox News story a few days after
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Speaker 1: the shooting in New York City NYC office shooting raises
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Speaker 1: new corporate security concerns for business leaders, you mentioned that
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Speaker 1: the calls went up after this attack.
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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, we do. We do security surveys, you know,
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Speaker 2: go out and talk to businesses, companies, whatever entities. We
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Speaker 2: do a lot of that and as a company, we
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Speaker 2: do that, and yeah, we started getting calls.
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Speaker 1: No one plan can be applied to all businesses for
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Speaker 1: the most part, unless you're looking at a chain where
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Speaker 1: they designed the buildings exact same way type thing. But
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Speaker 1: I've got to believe JD. There are common components to
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Speaker 1: those plans. Sure, what generally is when you do a
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Speaker 1: you're looking at a place and then you're sitting down
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Speaker 1: and you're coming up with what you think your recommendations
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Speaker 1: are going to be. Are there some common themes in
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Speaker 1: those recommendations.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you you know, the first one is the actual
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Speaker 2: physical barricade security of the building. And you know, no
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Speaker 2: easy access doors that nobody's watching. The last thing you
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Speaker 2: want is for somebody to get in that you don't
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Speaker 2: even know they're in the building to do something bad.
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Speaker 2: So you would be surprised that. I mean, there's people
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Speaker 2: that have, Uh it's something as simple as let's say
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Speaker 2: you've got magnetic door locks, kind of like you guys
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Speaker 2: here have here at the studio. You got doors that
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Speaker 2: will secure without physically turning a dead bolt or whatever.
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Speaker 2: Doors just some of them are just physical maintenance problems.
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Speaker 2: The door doesn't close all the way, you know.
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Speaker 1: Fix it, fix the door.
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Speaker 2: It is not you know, get the door fix. You
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Speaker 2: run a multi million dollar facilities sometimes and the door
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Speaker 2: doesn't close all the way. You know, that's a simple fix.
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Speaker 2: Put a new hydraulic door closer on it. You know,
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Speaker 2: like you got here on your door there that that
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Speaker 2: hydraulic system that pulls the door shut. You know, fix it,
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Speaker 2: readjust it whatever it needs to be.
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Speaker 1: How many times do you see something where it's simply
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Speaker 1: people becoming comfortable and leaving a door unlicked because it's
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Speaker 1: just easier for everybody to come in and out.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. It's it's I hate to say it is. Sometimes
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Speaker 2: it's just laziness. It's just it's it's you know, And
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Speaker 2: like I said about New York, there there's such a
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Speaker 2: gun unfriendly city area. Nobody expects anybody to have guns there,
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Speaker 2: and especially in cause it's just no guns because because
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Speaker 2: the law there's the law on the book says no gun.
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Speaker 2: So everybody's gonna abide by that right, which is the
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Speaker 2: most ludicrous attitude you could possibly have. So I'm sure
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Speaker 2: that they there's probably a great deal of you know,
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Speaker 2: just complacency people there is. They don't expect people to
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Speaker 2: have a gun like we do here. You know, it's
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Speaker 2: it's it's common to carry a gun here, for people
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Speaker 2: to carry guns. There's a whole lot of people that
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Speaker 2: carry guns concealed here up there. That's not their culture.
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Speaker 1: You said something that I think is worth repeating, and
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Speaker 1: that is think like a bad guy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's kind of what we have to do
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Speaker 2: when we when we go and look at facilities, or
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Speaker 2: we get asked to come to a security survey or
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Speaker 2: training or whatever else is. We have to go and
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Speaker 2: think like a bad guy. You know, what would be
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Speaker 2: the my most as a bad guy? What would be
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Speaker 2: my highest probability of success to carry out whatever heinous
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Speaker 2: act that I'm trying to do? You know, you have
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Speaker 2: to put yourself in that place and then and then
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Speaker 2: go about mentally, at least exercise what would I do.
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Speaker 1: I know that this is a topic that everybody's going
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Speaker 1: to handle this differently and even react to my mentioning
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Speaker 1: it an estranged husband, And I'm gonna just be sexist
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Speaker 1: here for a second, because oftentimes the perpetrators are males.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely in a broken relationship you're not going to be
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Speaker 1: with anybody else type thing, or in a strange boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: These are the types of things you kind of need
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Speaker 1: to make your supervisors aware of for the safety of
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Speaker 1: everybody in there. Hey, you're used to seeing Bruce come
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Speaker 1: to the office all the time. He's not welcome here anymore.
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Speaker 1: Makes somebody aware of it.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean that is that is probably the number
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Speaker 2: one attributor to this kind of this kind of behavior,
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Speaker 2: you know, a broken relationship, relationship, you know, just domestic
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Speaker 2: domestic issues, or somebody that you made really mad that
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Speaker 2: doesn't you know, you you may aggravate somebody to the
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Speaker 2: point where it flips a switch somewhere and there. I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna go down there and kill everybody in that building
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Speaker 2: because they wouldn't do this for me, right, whatever that is.
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Speaker 2: But you have to you can't think rationally about You
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Speaker 2: can't put yourself as a rational person. How would I
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Speaker 2: handle this offense to me? You got to think as
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Speaker 2: somebody that's off there, you know there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, rational people have trouble thinking irrationally. Yeah, and they
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Speaker 1: and people that are irrational kind of count on that. Yep.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: We've got a lot more stories in the news and
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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about them.
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Speaker 2: J D.
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Speaker 1: Johnson with me from the Talent Training Group. Remember Talent
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Speaker 1: You can learn how to better prepare for what may
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Speaker 1: dot com. Back with JD. Johnson of the Talent training group.
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Speaker 1: Normally we end these segments with a training tip, but
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Speaker 1: there's just so many stories. I don't know that we'll
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Speaker 1: get to one. So I'll simply say call JD. Charlie
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Speaker 1: at Talent and set up and go to a class.
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Speaker 1: How about that? Does that work?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Learn a bunch of stuff. Yeah, I was sharing with you.
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Speaker 1: This story was confounding to me. Guy named Lee Ogler,
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Speaker 1: young Man, thirty nine, Danville, Virginia, Danville City council member.
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Speaker 1: It's really irrelevant. A guy who had a grudge with
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Speaker 1: him showed up at his office where he worked with
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Speaker 1: a five gallon bucket of gasoline, poured it on him,
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Speaker 1: let him on fire. How do you stop that?
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Speaker 2: Not let him? Not let the guy get that close
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Speaker 2: to you with a bucket of anything.
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Speaker 1: Because and you know why I'm asking this. Is it
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Speaker 1: that simple?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean so, here's the issue with a flammable
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Speaker 2: is that you've if you had a gun and all
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Speaker 2: of a sudden you covered in gas and now you
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Speaker 2: pull your trusty blaster out and set it off, You're
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Speaker 2: probably gonna be the one igniting the gas. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: if you see somebody that has told you or there's
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Speaker 2: a history, there's a history there, there was a history
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Speaker 2: there in this case, Yes, I'm not gonna let that
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Speaker 2: guy get close to me with much of anything in
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Speaker 2: his hand that I don't know exactly if I don't know,
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Speaker 2: unless it's a twinkie, you know something that I know
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Speaker 2: exactly what it is. So there's other things other than
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Speaker 2: flammables that you can there's other liquids that could have
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Speaker 2: been acid. It could have been a lot of things.
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Speaker 1: And we've seen attacks like that in various parts of
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Speaker 1: the World's happened here before. The throwing gas on somebody
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Speaker 1: has happened, happened here, happened in this country.
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Speaker 2: You just don't ever know what what a road, what
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Speaker 2: what crooked road? The crazy guy's brain's going to go down.
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Speaker 1: In a way. This again reinforces our constant theme of
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Speaker 1: situational awareness and that you just have to think differently.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely you do. And it's it's like I said, I
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Speaker 2: I don't know. If that guy's mad at me and
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Speaker 2: he walks in with a with a bucket in his hand,
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Speaker 2: if he ain't drinking out of it, then you're not
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Speaker 2: fixing to get close to me. If I know you
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Speaker 2: and I have an issue. So, like I said, I
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Speaker 2: think I could articulate at least the presentation of a
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Speaker 2: of of a firearm or a weapon or you know,
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Speaker 2: if not, if not the deadly force, I could articulate
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Speaker 2: that with the unknown of what's in there. But there
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Speaker 2: could be something bad. That's just like somebody pointing a gun.
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Speaker 2: Actually are a BB gun. You don't know if it's
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Speaker 2: loaded or if it's a deadly weapon whatever, but it
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Speaker 2: looks like it could be sure, So yeah, I think
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Speaker 2: you can easily articulate that.
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Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's also useful to remember that
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Speaker 1: these things are never appointments.
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Speaker 2: No, No, They happen when we're least least expecting it.
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Speaker 2: And that's that's part of the you know, that's part
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Speaker 2: of living in a state of awareness. When you're out
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Speaker 2: in public and not locked behind your door with the
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Speaker 2: alarm on, that's a that's a that's a being in public.
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Speaker 1: And I suppose a reminder that would be useful would
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Speaker 1: be taking inventory of your life. If you've got someone
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Speaker 1: that you know is an enemy, you need to be
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Speaker 1: mindful of that person and you surroundings.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and there's you know, I don't I don't know
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Speaker 2: that I have any, and I hope I never have.
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Speaker 2: I hope I never do have any. Sure, you you
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Speaker 2: know you live in the public public eye. Me too
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Speaker 2: to an extent, so you know you you don't ever
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Speaker 2: know who you really offended until sometimes it's too late, right, Uh.
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Speaker 2: So you live in that state of awareness where you're
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Speaker 2: always paying attention to anybody making eye contact with you
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Speaker 2: or approaching you in public or whatever. You need to
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Speaker 2: be attentive to that.
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Speaker 1: And we're back. I have to do it once. I
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Speaker 1: can't help myself. Jadi Johnson of the Talent Training Group
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Speaker 1: with us this morning our personal defense segment for the
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Speaker 1: month of August. Can you believe it?
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Speaker 2: Time flies when you're having fun?
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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, gracious, finally a more well, at least
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Speaker 1: there is. There's a hero, yes, one of us. Yeah, right,
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Speaker 1: guys stabbing him. Bunch of people late twenties to senior adults,
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Speaker 1: and he stopped by a marine. I always get in
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Speaker 1: trouble when I say former marine because marines will write
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Speaker 1: me say.
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Speaker 2: You're retired or you're never retired, not active duty marine.
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Speaker 1: Right, I don't know what to say.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry he didn't have the haircut. He's a not
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Speaker 2: active duty marine.
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Speaker 1: Boy, but did he have everything else?
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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, that was awesome.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the prevalence and the growing use of
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Speaker 1: a knife.
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Speaker 2: You know, it hadn't just started, we're but it is growing.
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Speaker 1: I mean, quite honestly, it's now the thing to use
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Speaker 1: in England because it has been. Yeah, that's the weapon
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Speaker 1: of choice now, but it is becoming more prevalent and
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Speaker 1: the dangers associated with it. I mean, we saw that
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Speaker 1: kid in a track meet stab a fellow competitor in
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Speaker 1: the chest and kill him for.
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Speaker 2: Much easier to conceal. It's much easier to conceal a
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Speaker 2: knife than it is a fararm, right, they're not. Some
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Speaker 2: people don't look at them as a weapon period, which they.
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Speaker 1: Very much are absolutely.
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Speaker 2: You know, in a phone booth, I'd probably rather have
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Speaker 2: a knife than a gun if I'm tied up in
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Speaker 2: a phone booth with somebody, if I had to defend myself,
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Speaker 2: because it doesn't run out of bullets and it doesn't jam,
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Speaker 2: and it is always going to work. If I had
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Speaker 2: to defend myself with a knife, that's a real personal
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Speaker 2: thing when you you but crazy people don't think the
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Speaker 2: way we do you know it's so you don't ever
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Speaker 2: know what's going through that guy's head. But yeah, you're
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Speaker 2: not unarmed if you have a knife and you're willing
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Speaker 2: to use it.
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Speaker 1: Distance is your friend if dealing with somebody with a knife.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, But you also have to understand that there
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Speaker 2: are some distances that can be just because of reaction time.
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Speaker 2: You know, you're talking about twenty feet. If they're within
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Speaker 2: twenty feet of you and you're just just say you're
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Speaker 2: carrying a firearm concealed and your adversary is armed with
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Speaker 2: a knife and they're less than twenty feet away, there's
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Speaker 2: a good probability you're gonna get cut before you can
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Speaker 2: get your gun out and engage him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about that distance closing thing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this reactionary gap is what I'm talking about.
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Speaker 2: It's gonna take you, probably from a concealed carry in
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Speaker 2: a holster you're looking at if you're really fast, a
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Speaker 2: second and a half to recognize the threat, engage, draw
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Speaker 2: your weapon, come up, get the weapon into a functional position.
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Speaker 2: It's gonna take you a second and a half two
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Speaker 2: seconds to make that happen, because it's gonna take you
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Speaker 2: three quarters of a second to recognize the threat, and
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Speaker 2: people don't account for that. So before you can draw
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Speaker 2: and shoot, somebody can very easily close a twenty foot gap.
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Speaker 2: You're talking for most people, four steps, you know, before
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Speaker 2: you're within arms reach of somebody, So you can close
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Speaker 2: that reactionary gap if you haven't trained to or haven't
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Speaker 2: prepared mentally to change direction or get off the tracks
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Speaker 2: as we call it. You know, a step to the left,
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Speaker 2: or a couple of steps to the left, moving to
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Speaker 2: the left, moving to the right, retreating, moving backwards when
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Speaker 2: somebody's aggressing you. So, and that's there's a drill out there.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know the name to it. It's called the
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Speaker 2: tool or drill where you practice moving and drawing.
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Speaker 1: But a lot of.
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Speaker 2: People don't practice that way, you know, they stand in
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Speaker 2: one place on a square range and shoot. Yeah, just
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Speaker 2: have a great stance. And you've heard me say on
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Speaker 2: this show, I'm pretty sure if your stance is really good,
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Speaker 2: your tactics are terrible. That's what I'm talking about. You know,
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Speaker 2: if you're you've got a great shooting stance, your tactics
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Speaker 2: are horrible because in real life, time doesn't freeze and
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Speaker 2: nothing stands it's not. It's not. It's never a static situation, right, So,
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Speaker 2: like I said, some body with a knife can do
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Speaker 2: you a whole bunch of damage and a really short
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Speaker 2: amount of time.
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Speaker 1: Guy stabbed eleven people before he was stopped, and there
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Speaker 1: was somebody there actually trying to get in the way
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Speaker 1: of the guy with the knife and the man trying
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Speaker 1: to stop. It all unbelievable the video.
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Speaker 2: Because you've got a pre you've got to prejudice against
19:17
Speaker 2: the guy with the gun there, or you're you're assuming
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Speaker 2: that he's the bad guy because he has a gun.
19:22
Speaker 2: And that's that's a that's a television and leftist behavior
19:27
Speaker 2: and the only bad guys have guns. Things that we
19:30
Speaker 2: get pounded into our head every day on the media
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Speaker 2: with the media.
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Speaker 1: The growing threat of knives just simply tells me once again,
19:38
Speaker 1: be aware of your surroundings because you just don't know
19:41
Speaker 1: who have exactly right. Forty one minutes after the hour,
19:49
Speaker 1: you know, there was a time that I enjoyed the
19:53
Speaker 1: idea of of going camping, and I will admit on
19:57
Speaker 1: the front end, I don't I don't have enough faith
20:00
Speaker 1: in the people that are around me and put myself
20:03
Speaker 1: in a tent and not have my perimeter secured, if
20:07
Speaker 1: that makes any sense at all. Sure, And and so
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Speaker 1: the story of the couple in Arkansas, we now know
20:15
Speaker 1: that the Brinks, Clinton and Kristen were protecting their daughters
20:19
Speaker 1: potentially from some encounter with with the guy who would
20:23
Speaker 1: be their murderer. But I want to back up and
20:26
Speaker 1: just talk about security for yourself and your family when
20:31
Speaker 1: you're out camping or just in this case, yes, they
20:33
Speaker 1: were camping, but this was just walking a trail.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, terrible. Well, there's a reason that even in Florida,
20:44
Speaker 2: even where we're not an open carry state, there is
20:47
Speaker 2: a there is a statute statute on the books in
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Speaker 2: Florida that if you were hunting, camping, fishing, hiking out
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Speaker 2: in the woods, you can openly carry. You don't have
20:56
Speaker 2: to carry concealed. You can openly carry in those situations
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Speaker 2: because you're not just worried about and this crazy guy
21:03
Speaker 2: being on the trail with you is just one of
21:06
Speaker 2: many dangers you can that there are in Florida. You've
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Speaker 2: got you know, you've got bears, and you've got you've
21:12
Speaker 2: got Florida black bears. They will eat you. Yes, they're
21:15
Speaker 2: they're not cuddly, lovable.
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Speaker 1: Well, we've had a fatality in the last month.
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Speaker 2: They will eat you. You've got alligators, You've got you've
21:22
Speaker 2: got snakes, You've got poisonous snakes, and a lot of
21:24
Speaker 2: these things. A lot of these animals you can avoid,
21:26
Speaker 2: but you never know. There could be something wrong with
21:28
Speaker 2: and whatever. There's all kinds of situations that you may
21:31
Speaker 2: have to defend yourself in the woods because you've got
21:33
Speaker 2: mother nature. But it's out to do what mother nature does.
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Speaker 1: It's that loner that's got a.
21:38
Speaker 2: Living in the woods because he can't live around people.
21:40
Speaker 2: And then now all of a sudden you have entered
21:42
Speaker 2: his domain. And you know, I mean, it's just how
21:48
Speaker 2: do you don't go away? Preston? You know, how do you.
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Speaker 1: Enjoy or we can't even go there. There's just I'm
21:56
Speaker 1: even saying it. You can't and you can't do that.
21:58
Speaker 1: What is the prudent thing to do? If you're out camping,
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Speaker 1: whether you are a fit male and you got your
22:05
Speaker 1: act together, you're with your wife, you're with your wife
22:07
Speaker 1: and your children, what in your mind is like bare minimum?
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Speaker 2: So I never go into the woods without a without
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Speaker 2: a knife or in a gun. I don't personally. Usually
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Speaker 2: when I'm in the woods, you're carrying. Oh yeah, and
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Speaker 2: it will Usually I spend more time in the woods
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Speaker 2: during hunting season, so I'm there for a reason and
22:29
Speaker 2: sure so, but yeah, I'm gonna have some kind of weapon.
22:32
Speaker 2: I'm you know, if I'm camping, I'm gonna have a hatchet.
22:36
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a hatchet close by, because you use
22:38
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff catching you're camping. I always forget
22:41
Speaker 2: the tent pegs or whatever. You know, I might need
22:44
Speaker 2: to cut a cut a limb or make make make
22:46
Speaker 2: your own right whatever. So you know, those are the
22:50
Speaker 2: kind of things that you carry when you're camping. Bear spray,
22:54
Speaker 2: the big cans of oc uh oliah resincapsation. Bear spray
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Speaker 2: is not a bad idea.
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Speaker 1: If you are out and you've decided you're going to
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Speaker 1: carry for the purposes of just personal protection for whether
23:07
Speaker 1: it's people or animals. And are you carrying a revolver?
23:11
Speaker 1: Are you carrying semi automatic?
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Speaker 2: Depends on where I'm at, but a semi automatic most
23:14
Speaker 2: of the time, I have a I have a I
23:16
Speaker 2: carry a glock ten millimeter, which is a little bit bigger,
23:19
Speaker 2: more powerful than I would carry every day. But that's
23:23
Speaker 2: that's what I usually carry it.
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Speaker 1: And you're carrying outside the waistband with that thing.
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Speaker 2: No, I'm carrying it on a chest rig. Okay, I
23:30
Speaker 2: A I have a chest rig that the gun is
23:32
Speaker 2: basically planted right up here at the top of my chest,
23:34
Speaker 2: so my waistband is free. And if I'm going through
23:36
Speaker 2: the bushes or woods or whatever, I'm not have something
23:39
Speaker 2: pulling on my holster.
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Speaker 1: Gotcha.
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Speaker 2: People that hunt in sure enough bear country up north,
23:45
Speaker 2: you know, you go out fishing and fly fishing in Montana,
23:49
Speaker 2: you won't find one of those guys up there that's
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Speaker 2: not armed with a fairly large caliber firearm, probably carried
23:56
Speaker 2: in some manner where they can get to it fly
23:58
Speaker 2: fishing because a grizzly bear attack or black beer attack, whatever.
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Speaker 1: Is this a wise way to think about it. I
24:04
Speaker 1: will not live my life assuming everybody's my enemy. But
24:06
Speaker 1: I'm not going to live my life assuming everyone's going
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Speaker 1: to be my friend.
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Speaker 2: That's very safe to say, you know, I'm I don't
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Speaker 2: assume anybody is my enemy until they behave that way,
24:18
Speaker 2: you know I've I don't. I'd like to say everybody
24:20
Speaker 2: I meets a friend but you know that's that's not realistic,
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Speaker 2: you know.
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Speaker 1: But that's one of those things. Again. Be aware of
24:26
Speaker 1: your surroundings. Even in the wilderness. You got to be
24:29
Speaker 1: there as well, and trust your discernment. If you if
24:33
Speaker 1: you see somebody that just sends the wrong signals, wrong vibes, yeah.
24:37
Speaker 2: Try to get away from them, don't you know, Get
24:38
Speaker 2: away from them as quickly as possible if you can.
24:41
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you turn around and run, yeah, yeah,
24:46
Speaker 2: but uh but yeah, just get away from them. Uh,
24:51
Speaker 2: you know, and if they and they're pursue you at
24:54
Speaker 2: that point, then you know, then you know for sure,
24:57
Speaker 2: you know, running from a predator will almost always trigger
25:02
Speaker 2: a predatory response, which is to chase.
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Speaker 1: I hope next time we visit we don't have to
25:07
Speaker 1: talk about a bunch of stories like this, and then yeah,
25:10
Speaker 1: good to see you.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. JD.
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