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#509 Jason Flom with Manfred Younger · Wrongful Conviction

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Speaker 1: On June seventeenth, two thousand and seven, at around two
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Speaker 1: thirty a m bars emptied out into the streets of Camden,
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Speaker 1: New Jersey amid the crowd in the parking lot of
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Speaker 1: the seventh and Cane Lounge. Gunshots struck twenty four year
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Speaker 1: old Tierra Presley and thirty two year old Adrian Jackson,
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Speaker 1: but only Jackson survived and he was unable to offer
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Speaker 1: any leads. About six months later, Jackson was secretly recorded
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Speaker 1: speculating about the identity of his assailants, narrowing his suspects
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Speaker 1: to someone called Baby Jay and later another called Papa smurfh,
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Speaker 1: which led police to Madford Younger and Anthony Parker, the
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Speaker 1: latter of whom was acquitted, but two jail house informants
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Speaker 1: claimed that Madford Younger had admitted to being one of
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Speaker 1: the shooters, sending him away for a minimum of sixty
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Speaker 1: to Wrongful Conviction, where we've got a New Jersey case.
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Speaker 1: There haven't been many of those featured here, but that's
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Speaker 1: about to change. And calling in to tell his story
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Speaker 1: from a New Jersey correctional facility, Manfred Younger, Manfred, thanks
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Speaker 1: for joining us.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, man I appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: And joining Manford to help him tell this insane story
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Speaker 1: is a voice you're going to recognize. Justin Bonas, who's
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Speaker 1: been spending a great deal of time in Manfred's hometown
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Speaker 1: of Cambden, New Jersey, where he's uncovered quite a few
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Speaker 1: cases in a town that has a history of poverty
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Speaker 1: and corruption from law enforcement all the way up to
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Speaker 1: mayors who had promised urban renewal and economic revitalization.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because there's no improvement ever in Camden. I think
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Speaker 3: at one point they had four straight mayors that were
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Speaker 3: federally indicted. And then there's a period from like nineteen
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Speaker 3: ninety to twenty thirteen when the Camden County Police Department
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Speaker 3: was so corrupt. Camden is basically taken over by the
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Speaker 3: county in twenty twelve. Right before there was a takeover,
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Speaker 3: there were like sixty homicides in a city that's only
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Speaker 3: like seventy five eighty thousand people the most and they
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Speaker 3: weren't solving them, and then the ones that they were solving.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of wrongful convictions, but there is a
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Speaker 3: sweet spot that I'm working on from like ninety nine
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Speaker 3: to like twenty eleven, and the show starts for real
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Speaker 3: with Martin Devlin, him and his partner Chuck Bentham. I
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Speaker 3: come to Camden from Phillya and what Devlin became a supervisor.
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Speaker 3: There's a pattern of single photo identifications and jailhouse informants.
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Speaker 1: Which is exactly what we're dealing with in this case.
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Speaker 1: In our audience, you may recall Detective Martin Devlin from
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Speaker 1: some Philly cases that we covered, Jimmy Dennis, Tony Wright,
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Speaker 1: Walter Ogrod, Troy Coleman. And after playing his trade in
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Speaker 1: Philadelphia for twenty five long years, he crossed over the
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Speaker 1: bridge into one of the most impoverished cities in all
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Speaker 1: of America, Camden, New Jersey, where he continued his career
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Speaker 1: as an investigator in the Camden County Prosecutor's Office. While
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Speaker 1: Manfred was growing up.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I grew up in the city of Canaden then
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Speaker 2: with my mom and my sister and my father. My
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Speaker 2: father named Manfred J. Younger Jenior. So my name Manfred J.
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Speaker 2: Younger Junior. So I got the baby J after my father.
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Speaker 2: I grew up playing community football and stuff that was good.
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Speaker 2: But we grew up hard city of Canda and the poverty.
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Speaker 2: It's messed up out there. We ain't have hot water.
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Speaker 2: We had to heat the house up with the oven,
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Speaker 2: boil hot water on the stove. You know, wear each
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Speaker 2: other clothes where your friends clothed. When it rained, when
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Speaker 2: it's a thunderstorm or snowstorm, it come through the ceiling.
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Speaker 2: It was bad in Camden. Ninety five percent of the
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Speaker 2: people is poor. Because of our population, it's only seventy
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Speaker 2: thousand people. We get overlooked. The only reason why we
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Speaker 2: get noticed is because the crime rate. Other than that,
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Speaker 2: we don't have nothing. Your mom and them had to
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Speaker 2: have money though, like growing up. If not, you had
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Speaker 2: to go to the streets. It ain't excuse, but time
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Speaker 2: get hard, desperation and that's when I went to the streets.
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Speaker 1: By Manfred's perspective, dealing drugs and carrying a gun was
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Speaker 1: necessary for survival in Camden, all of which made him
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Speaker 1: vulnerable to prosecution as well as violence. Street violence and
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Speaker 1: one of the victims in this case, Adrian Jackson, Well,
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Speaker 1: he was in the same boat, although he wasn't exactly
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Speaker 1: Anfred's contemporary.
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Speaker 3: Adrian Jackson is significantly older than Manfred, younger by a lot.
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Speaker 3: Everyone believed that Adrian Jackson was the target. He has
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Speaker 3: issues with older people in the drug world and Camden,
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Speaker 3: who Manfred had some type of affiliation with, But there
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Speaker 3: was never any real connection here.
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Speaker 2: I ain't never hang with him and not like that.
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Speaker 2: All them god older than me.
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Speaker 1: Adrian Jackson had also cooperated in a case in the
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Speaker 1: late nineties, so there were motivated parties on the night
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Speaker 1: that he was shot, none of whom were Manfred, and
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Speaker 1: along with Jackson, an innocent young woman named Tiera Presley
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Speaker 1: had also been shot. It was a Saturday night, June
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Speaker 1: sixteenth into the early hours of June seventeenth, two thousand
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Speaker 1: and seven, when both victims were out on the town
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Speaker 1: with Tiera's cousin, Tia Hannah.
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Speaker 3: They're at a place called Seventh and Caine and what
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Speaker 3: they would consider the downtown area of Camden, New Jersey,
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Speaker 3: at around two thirty in the morning is when they
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Speaker 3: leave out of the bar.
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Speaker 1: Last call is two am. In New Jersey, so everyone
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Speaker 1: else was leaving with them, emptying out into this dirt
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Speaker 1: parking lot next to the bar that was adjacent to
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Speaker 1: the projects. Now it was a warm night where folks
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Speaker 1: were already hanging out in front of their buildings as.
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Speaker 3: Well, and Adrian Jackson is talking to Tierra and Tia,
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Speaker 3: I guess walked off a little bit with another woman
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Speaker 3: named Maisha Ronett Brown. It's not well lit, and two
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Speaker 3: men came out of nowhere and fired a lot of shots.
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Speaker 3: Presley was hit six seven times. Jackson was hit over
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Speaker 3: ten times. The way he shot it, it's very difficult
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Speaker 3: to determine whether he could have seen it because he's
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Speaker 3: like shot in the side and then he's like spun
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Speaker 3: around when.
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Speaker 2: He shot Tia.
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Speaker 1: Hannah and a man named John Freelan ushered Tiara into
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Speaker 1: her car and drove it to the hospital curiously, though
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Speaker 1: without Adrian Jackson.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jackson stays at the scene and he's just standing
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Speaker 3: there and people are like freaked out. His adrenaline had
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Speaker 3: kicked in so much. And then at some point I
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Speaker 3: think he sits down and passes out or something, and
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Speaker 3: then he gets picked up an ambulance takes him to
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Speaker 3: the hospital.
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Speaker 1: So by the time police had arrived, the crowd had dispersed,
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Speaker 1: including Maisha Runnett Brown and her boyfriend Richard Barge, who
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Speaker 1: becomes important later, but for now, the police forego a
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Speaker 1: vigorous canvas for eyewitnesses and instead they hope to speak
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Speaker 1: with the victims as well as Tia Hannah.
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Speaker 3: Jackson lived amazingly. Tierra dies. Unfortunately, this was an innocent
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Speaker 3: girl that was killed. Everybody knew that this was a
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Speaker 3: very big deal. These are not people that didn't want
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Speaker 3: to cooperate. But Tia Hannah tells the Prosecutor's office investigator
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Speaker 3: Diane Wilson, over and over again, I can't make an
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Speaker 3: idea right and Jackson, I mean, it's only by the
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Speaker 3: grace of God that Dismand's alive. I mean, he's spun
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Speaker 3: around like a top. He was in the hospital for
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Speaker 3: over a month before he became coherent to speak. And
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Speaker 3: I mean, Adrian Jackson's a criminal. Okay, he has a
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Speaker 3: terrible background, but let me be clear with you. Adrian
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Speaker 3: Jackson cooperated before, so this is not a guy that's
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Speaker 3: apprehensive to talk to the police. And Adrian Jackson tells them, look,
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Speaker 3: I was drunk when I came out, I don't know
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Speaker 3: who shot me, and he's like, you seem like you
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Speaker 3: don't believe me. If I knew who it was, I
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Speaker 3: would tell you.
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Speaker 1: And so without any legitimate leads, the investigation kind of
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Speaker 1: switched course. It changed tactics right around the same time
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Speaker 1: that Manford was arrested for an unrelated matter on July fifteenth,
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Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, possession of an illegal firearm.
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Speaker 2: I'm from the city of Camden, so I got caught
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Speaker 2: with a weapon. That's the only way you know how
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Speaker 2: to protect yourself. I was in the corner store against
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Speaker 2: something to eat, and then the cops ran in there
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Speaker 2: because they were doing the search of like a drug area,
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Speaker 2: and then they searched me, and I had a gun
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Speaker 2: on me. I didn't have it legally. So anytime say
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Speaker 2: a fahamicide happened or shooting happened, and you might get
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Speaker 2: locked up with drugs or whatever. Being as duff you
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Speaker 2: from that area where it happened, they would try to
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Speaker 2: question you and get you to act like you know something.
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Speaker 2: You see you know what I'm saying. And Diane Wilson,
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Speaker 2: she comes in there, I don't know her she don't
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Speaker 2: know me, so being a dawn young she probably figured like, oh, well,
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Speaker 2: he might want to get out of this case. So
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Speaker 2: she started asking me about crime around the area and
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Speaker 2: not just this murder, several murders, and I'm like, man
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Speaker 2: I don't know nothing. So that was my first running
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Speaker 2: with her. So now that's where she was familiar with
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Speaker 2: the name baby j But I had bailed out from
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Speaker 2: that weapon Chuck. I came back home three days after
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Speaker 2: I was home. I had another case out in another county,
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Speaker 2: Gloucester County. I had drugs that time, and I plared
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Speaker 2: guilty to probation in ninety days cent So I went
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Speaker 2: to Gloucester County for like seventy two days. Then I
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Speaker 2: came home September twenty four.
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Speaker 1: And while Manford was still in Gloucester County jail on
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Speaker 1: the drug charge, Diane Wilson interviewed Adrian Jackson again on
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Speaker 1: September sixth, two thousand and seven.
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Speaker 3: They press him again, okay, and I believe they actually
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Speaker 3: dropped Manfred's name and nickname, which is baby j The
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Speaker 3: important part about that nickname is there's five other Baby
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Speaker 3: James in Camden. Jackson again tells them I don't know
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Speaker 3: who shot me, okay, And the date of that second
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Speaker 3: interview for Adrian Jackson is a very big deal.
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Speaker 1: And we'll get to why in just a minute. But first,
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Speaker 1: around three weeks later, Manford was released from Gloucester County
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Speaker 1: and was picked up again three days after his release
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Speaker 1: on September twenty seventh, with his friend Jeffrey Jones.
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Speaker 2: Well, we got pulled over by Camden County Police. But
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Speaker 2: we got to dispatch from the police station where that
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Speaker 2: Cox said, I'm behind that vam with baby j and
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Speaker 2: them in there. So obviously somebody had to tell him
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Speaker 2: about who was in a vam. You give you know
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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. He lied on a report and said
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Speaker 2: we was driving sad basically like it was a regular
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Speaker 2: traffic stop and I had a gun. And then I
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Speaker 2: was convicted ready for the drug. Once you get a conviction,
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Speaker 2: the state tuned to turn it over to the Fed.
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Speaker 2: That's when the Federal could charge you. It's called possession
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Speaker 2: of a whitness by previctor seventh and I got locked
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Speaker 2: back up September twenty seventh, three days I was home,
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Speaker 2: so I had a poll attorney. The first thing he
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Speaker 2: said is they don't want you. They want your boy.
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Speaker 2: Jones was my cole descendant. They believe that I know
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Speaker 2: all this stuff, like I don't know that guy like that.
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Speaker 2: So basically he was saying, like, yo, if you give
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Speaker 2: up information on him, they'll let you go. So I'm
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Speaker 2: just collateral damage. I took a flat rate play sixty
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Speaker 2: months for the gun charge. All this was in two
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Speaker 2: thousand and seven, and I've never seen the streets again.
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Speaker 1: Five years in federal prison was able to eventually morph
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Speaker 1: into a much longer state sentence, starting with a man
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Speaker 1: named Troy Loan.
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Speaker 2: Troy Loan got caught with a gun. He wanted the
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Speaker 2: way out of prison, so he told detective Wilson that
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Speaker 2: Adrian Jackson told him who did that to him? So
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Speaker 2: Roy Long wore a tape recorder on Jackson. On a
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Speaker 2: tape recorder, Jackson he ain't say he's seen nobody in
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Speaker 2: that he was speculating and they was talking about all
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Speaker 2: these other old murders and Jackson admitting to the drug game.
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Speaker 2: He's also on wire tap saying that he lied in
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Speaker 2: another murder trial and then placed itself at the scene
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Speaker 2: of a murder and he wasn't even there. So he's
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Speaker 2: already got a pattern of lion fabricating story, but.
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Speaker 3: The prosecutor's officer doesn't care about that. And it's this
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Speaker 3: is what's so outrageous about this surreptitious audio recording. He's
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Speaker 3: going through in his mind who he thinks may or
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Speaker 3: may not have done this. So Jackson starts talking about
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Speaker 3: the fact that he has beef with these older gentlemen,
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Speaker 3: and who is affiliated with these older gentlemen and now
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Speaker 3: understand this, he knows a nickname, which is Baby j.
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Speaker 3: He admits he doesn't know Baby Jack and in this
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Speaker 3: conversation between him and Troy Loan, he said it couldn't
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Speaker 3: have been this guy named Sean, so it had to
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Speaker 3: be Baby J. And and he mentions that another guys
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Speaker 3: a driver. Understand is there were multiple people that watched
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Speaker 3: two shooters run from the scene and not get into
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Speaker 3: a car. They just ran from a scene, right, So
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Speaker 3: he's guessing and by the process of elimination, he says
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Speaker 3: it's probably Baby j.
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Speaker 1: As we know, Babyjy also happens to be Manfred's nickname,
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Speaker 1: but he's not the only Baby Jay in Camden. The
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Speaker 1: other nickname Jackson eventually mentioned was Papa Smurf aka Anthony Parker,
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Speaker 1: who in turn became Manfred's co defendant.
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Speaker 3: Interestingly, with Jackson in the audio to Troy Loan, he
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Speaker 3: did not identify Papa Smurf initially Anthony Parker. And again
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Speaker 3: this goes to show you that this guy Jackson is
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Speaker 3: just guessing.
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Speaker 1: And Jackson's unreliability was also made clear by something else
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Speaker 1: that he said on this audio recording.
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Speaker 3: Jackson specifically says that on September sixth of two thousand,
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Speaker 3: thousand and seven, when he came out of the prosecutor's
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Speaker 3: office after they're asking him about Manfreed Younger and he
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Speaker 3: doesn't know who this is, that he sees baby jack
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Speaker 3: driving and he wanted to kill him and doesn't do
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Speaker 3: it because it's broad daylight. So there's a huge problem
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Speaker 3: with that, which is that Manfred Younger is incarcerated at
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Speaker 3: that point, So whoever he saw could not have been
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Speaker 3: Baby J or at least a baby J that's Manfred Younger.
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Speaker 3: It's impossible.
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Speaker 2: The name BABYJ came up. That's when Diane Wilson went
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Speaker 2: full throttle. She called Jackson and said, we got new information.
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Speaker 2: You know who did it to you? Jackson stated again,
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Speaker 2: I told you I don't know who it was. But
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Speaker 2: when she pushed play, he got scared for all the
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Speaker 2: criminating statements he made about being a big time drug
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Speaker 2: dealer having guns, and he gave the name BABYJ with
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Speaker 2: no hairstyle, no nothing, no race, no nothing. So she
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Speaker 2: went and got one picture of me and showed him.
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Speaker 3: Diane Wilson shows him a photo on some this is
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Speaker 3: the guy right? He says, yes.
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Speaker 2: They went to him with one photo, not a photo
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Speaker 2: or a one photo of me.
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Speaker 3: That is the evidence that gets Manfred Younger arrested.
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Speaker 1: At this point, it's summer two thousand and eight. Manfred
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Speaker 1: was already in federal custody on the September twenty seventh
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Speaker 1: the gun charge, and he was brought in for his arraignment.
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Speaker 2: I go in the courtroom to get my bill, Diane Wilson,
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Speaker 2: get Tia Hannah, and Tia Hannah own words. Diane Wilson
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Speaker 2: get her to point me out at her arrangement here.
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Speaker 3: She's very adamant that she couldn't make an identification until
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Speaker 3: the arraignment. And I mean, come on, the guy's getting
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Speaker 3: arraigned for the murder of your cousin, and she's with
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Speaker 3: Diane Wilson, Tierra Presley's family, and then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 3: out of nowhere, a year and a half later, you say, yay,
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Speaker 3: he's the one. So Diane Wilson and the Camdens City
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Speaker 3: Police know that they have a really weak case, and
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Speaker 3: Devlin is supervising us, and we have a pattern here
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Speaker 3: of the then go to the jail house informance, which
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Speaker 3: is Jamie Channer and Jamal Gibbs.
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Speaker 2: When you go to freederal prison. If you're from Jersey,
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Speaker 2: you rolle with Jersey people. If you Muslim, you run
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Speaker 2: with the Muslims. If whatever click you run with, that's
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Speaker 2: your crew. So amongst your crew, you got people who's
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Speaker 2: productive for the people of your crew. And you need
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Speaker 2: help with your case, you go to the Muslim power
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Speaker 2: leaguer Canner he was our paralleger.
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Speaker 3: Jamie Channer was a jail house lawyer that helped manfreed
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Speaker 3: with the allevi It's the extradition process for gun charge
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Speaker 3: that is totally unrelated. So he sees the probable cause statement,
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Speaker 3: the criminal complaint come through, so he knows the name
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Speaker 3: of the deceased, and the guy who gets shot doesn't
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Speaker 3: know anything other than that.
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Speaker 2: He writes Camden County Prosecutor Office and bargain with them
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Speaker 2: and say, I know information by the murder, but I
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Speaker 2: want three years off. He didn't give the information an
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Speaker 2: initial letter. You see what I'm saying. So Diane Wilson
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Speaker 2: calls him.
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Speaker 3: Jamie Channer says, hey, this guy admitted to this murder
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Speaker 3: over and over and over against He's writing letters to
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Speaker 3: Diane Wilson, and the information was basically wrong and develops overtime.
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Speaker 2: She spoke to that guy five times. If I tell
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Speaker 2: you I have a red Mustang today, five years later,
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Speaker 2: I should tell you I have a red Mustang. And
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Speaker 2: every time he talked to her, he'd come back with
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Speaker 2: additional information.
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Speaker 1: Even after five conversations, he still got the details wrong.
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Speaker 1: In the statement that developed, Channer said that Jackson shielded
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Speaker 1: himself behind Presley, which is contradicted by witnesses and the forensics.
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Speaker 1: Then he gets the motive wrong as well.
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Speaker 2: Channer said it was a gang initiated motive, a blood initiates.
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Speaker 2: Diane Wilson stipulated that she know I wasn't blood and
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Speaker 2: that wasn't even a motive, but she still allowed him
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Speaker 2: to say that in front of a jority.
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Speaker 1: Then in comes Jamal Gibbs.
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Speaker 3: In October of two thousand and nine. They go get
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Speaker 3: Jamal Gibbs, who's a serial cooperator. Now Jamal Gibbs's handler
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Speaker 3: is Jim Pizzano, but Jamal Gibbs is very close friends
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Speaker 3: with Martin Devlin. I have information from another case that
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Speaker 3: Gibbs actually refers to Martin Devlin as Sarge doing an interview.
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Speaker 3: The cops know exactly who he's talking about Devlin was
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Speaker 3: supervising Manfred Younger's investigation, and Jamal Gibbs is an admitted killer.
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Speaker 3: By this point, he's pled guilty. He's looking to get
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Speaker 3: out of jail and says, presumably at the behest of Devlin,
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Speaker 3: that baby Jay admitted the homicide to.
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Speaker 2: Me when I was in the county, I was gonna
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Speaker 2: protective cuss to be status. So it's no way we
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Speaker 2: can interact, no way.
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Speaker 3: The interesting thing about that is by this point Gibbs
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Speaker 3: is cooperating against like ten people, So everybody in the
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Speaker 3: Camden County jail knows that Jamal Gibbs us a cooperator.
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Speaker 2: He was jumping in people cases like anytime your case
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Speaker 2: is weak, Jamal Gibbs ended up inside the case to
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Speaker 2: coroborate the motive or theory to strengthen the case. Like
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Speaker 2: the whole jail knew, stay away from that guy because
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Speaker 2: he a lie and fabrication information to get out his
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Speaker 2: own murder.
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Speaker 3: Why would Manfred Younger tell him he committed a murder.
20:06
Speaker 1: Never mind that he didn't even have an opportunity to
20:08
Speaker 1: do so. Thankfully, other guys came forward to Manfred's attorney
20:12
Speaker 1: took discredit Gibbs, which became part of trial strategy when
20:16
Speaker 1: Manfred and his co defendant Anthony Parker were tried in
20:18
Speaker 1: March twenty eleven, where the state had about five main witnesses,
20:22
Speaker 1: including Tia Hannah, who had previously id'd Manfred at his arrangement.
20:27
Speaker 3: She recance the idea trial.
20:29
Speaker 2: A prosecutor to try to get her to say with me.
20:31
Speaker 2: Tia said, I don't know. I didn't see the guy's face,
20:34
Speaker 2: but she's seen the description of brownskin guy with sure hair.
20:38
Speaker 2: So the prosecutor say, point to the brownskin guy.
20:42
Speaker 1: Point to the brownskin guy.
20:44
Speaker 2: My lawyer. He object. Even the judge said that that
20:47
Speaker 2: was wrong. It was petering over the line.
20:50
Speaker 3: And then she gives an affidavit recanting the ID and
20:52
Speaker 3: saying this is my cousin. They basically coerced me into
20:55
Speaker 3: making any identification in this case.
20:57
Speaker 1: John Frehlan also testified about trying Tierra Presley to the
21:01
Speaker 1: hospital and how Tia Hannah had said even then that
21:04
Speaker 1: she couldn't identify the shooter.
21:06
Speaker 3: Hannah's essentially eliminated, but again the jury sees her point
21:10
Speaker 3: Manfred out in the courtroom.
21:11
Speaker 1: The state also presented Troy Loan, who spoke about recording
21:15
Speaker 1: Jackson's speculation about his shooters naming Baby J. Then Adrian
21:20
Speaker 1: Jackson id'd Manfred as Baby J from the stand.
21:24
Speaker 3: What the jury never hears is that on September sixth
21:28
Speaker 3: of two thousand and seven, when Adrian Jackson says he's
21:32
Speaker 3: leaving the prosecutor's office and says that he sees manfre
21:36
Speaker 3: Younger and wanted to kill him, that could not have
21:39
Speaker 3: been man for Younger because Manfred Younger was incarcerated. It's
21:42
Speaker 3: my belief that the attorney did not present that information
21:45
Speaker 3: because he did not want to admit that his client
21:48
Speaker 3: had a criminal record in front of the jury. But
21:50
Speaker 3: that's a huge piece of evidence that Adrian Jackson did
21:53
Speaker 3: not know who Manfred Younger was and his identification is
21:56
Speaker 3: wholly unreliable.
21:57
Speaker 1: Then Adrian Jackson idd Anthony Parker as Papa Smurf. But
22:02
Speaker 1: the attorneys did cross examine Jackson about not being able
22:05
Speaker 1: to identify his assailants for his first three interviews.
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Speaker 3: The evidence against Anthony Parker was strictly Adrian Jackson, and
22:12
Speaker 3: that's it. And look at who got acquitted and who
22:15
Speaker 3: got convicted. It's my belief that's why the jailhouse informants
22:20
Speaker 3: were so critical in this case. I mean they were
22:23
Speaker 3: mentioned in the opening statement, and then they were mentioned
22:26
Speaker 3: a lot in summation by the prosecutor.
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Speaker 1: And the jailhouse informants were focused solely on Manfred. As
22:31
Speaker 1: we already said, Jamie Lee Channer's statement was unsupported by reality.
22:36
Speaker 1: Manfred was not a blood and was not ordered by
22:38
Speaker 1: the Bloods to kill Jackson. Diane Wilson stipulated to that. Additionally,
22:43
Speaker 1: Jackson had not used Presley as a human shield, there
22:46
Speaker 1: was no getaway driver, and he also said that Manfred
22:50
Speaker 1: did the shooting alone.
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Speaker 2: It's just shocking that you a lie like that. Even
22:54
Speaker 2: the ballistics show two shooters, two different guns, two different
22:59
Speaker 2: shell cases. All the witnesses say two shooters, but he
23:02
Speaker 2: lie and say I did it myself. Like the physical
23:06
Speaker 2: evidence outweighed what he talking about.
23:08
Speaker 3: Jamie Lee Channer even admitted in his own trial testimony
23:12
Speaker 3: that after Manfred Younger left the federal facility that he
23:16
Speaker 3: was in, he was getting more information to give to
23:19
Speaker 3: the prosecutor. Are you kidding me? That means that he
23:23
Speaker 3: presumably was being fed information from the prosecutor's office. The
23:27
Speaker 3: whole purpose of a jail house informant is the person
23:31
Speaker 3: says out of their mouth that they committed this crime. Right,
23:35
Speaker 3: it's called this statement against penal interest. It goes against
23:38
Speaker 3: the defendant's interests to admit to committing a crime. So
23:42
Speaker 3: therefore it is assumed that those statements are reliable. The
23:46
Speaker 3: problem with that is when you have a witness that
23:50
Speaker 3: has a tremendous incentive to lie about what that person said.
23:55
Speaker 2: The prosecutor lied, said she didn't give them nothing. He
23:57
Speaker 2: lied and said he was coming ford protect the public,
24:01
Speaker 2: but all alone he got a favor.
24:03
Speaker 3: Right after Manfred Younger gets sentenced, the prosecutor in the
24:06
Speaker 3: case writes a letter to a federal judge saying he
24:10
Speaker 3: provided substantial assistance give him a time cut. But Jamie
24:13
Speaker 3: Channer says, I didn't get anything for my testimony.
24:16
Speaker 1: And without this an even more impeachment evidence that was
24:19
Speaker 1: discovered after trial, Channer's testimony appeared believable, as did Jamal Gibbs,
24:23
Speaker 1: who also claimed to have received nothing in return when
24:26
Speaker 1: he testified that he knew Presley from high school and
24:29
Speaker 1: press Gibbs about the senseless killing.
24:31
Speaker 2: They used the professional snitch Jamal Gibbs to come up
24:34
Speaker 2: with a theory and a motive to inflame the jury.
24:38
Speaker 1: The theory was that Jeffrey Jones, Manfred's co defended from
24:41
Speaker 1: the federal gun charge, ordered him to kill Jackson for
24:44
Speaker 1: some slight and that Jackson grabbed Presley again with the
24:48
Speaker 1: unsupported human shield narrative, and Gibbs alleged that when pressed further,
24:52
Speaker 1: Manford responded, and this is a quote, fucked that bitch.
24:56
Speaker 1: She all out there in the way, man, she got
24:58
Speaker 1: to get handled. Eighty crippling crazy. They can get it, man,
25:03
Speaker 1: it don't even matter.
25:04
Speaker 2: Man.
25:05
Speaker 1: Fuck her end quote, which is incredibly inflammatory, obviously, but
25:10
Speaker 1: Manfred's lawyer had seven rebuttal witnesses, including Milton Gardner and
25:14
Speaker 1: Brian Montinez.
25:15
Speaker 3: Milton Gardner testifies that Gibbs is lying what they call
25:20
Speaker 3: jumping on people's cases, that this is a practice of
25:24
Speaker 3: his of finding people's cases and getting on them from
25:27
Speaker 3: a time cut. And we have information that Gibbs was
25:30
Speaker 3: also getting discovery from the prosecutor's office, presumably Martin Devlin,
25:35
Speaker 3: to make his trial testimony more accurate, and that Gibbs
25:38
Speaker 3: was recruiting other people. Brian Montinez testified that he was
25:43
Speaker 3: approached by Jamal Gibbs that Gibbs was actively seeking cooperators
25:49
Speaker 3: and Montonez knew Martin devil because Gibbs.
25:52
Speaker 1: It's discovered later that even more witnesses had discredited Gibbs.
25:56
Speaker 1: That didn't make it into the defense trial strategy, but
25:58
Speaker 1: at least some damage was done.
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Speaker 3: The prosecutor harped on the credibility of Jamie Lee Channer
26:05
Speaker 3: and Jamal Gibbs over and over again because the identification
26:09
Speaker 3: in the case was so weak.
26:11
Speaker 2: At the time. You believe like these guys ain't got
26:13
Speaker 2: no credibility. The jury didn't believe Jackson. I had to
26:19
Speaker 2: read backs on channering Gibbs. I trusted the process, thinking
26:24
Speaker 2: that the process was fair, but it obviously is not. Basically,
26:29
Speaker 2: they went with Channer and Gibbs. Then that's when they
26:33
Speaker 2: came back with the guilty verdict. I didn't even go
26:36
Speaker 2: in there. I was in a bullpen because something had
26:40
Speaker 2: happened with the sheriff's officers. So my lawyer basically came
26:44
Speaker 2: back and told me the news.
27:00
Speaker 1: Manfred received two consecutive census sixty years for the murder
27:05
Speaker 1: and eighteen years for the attempted murder a seventy eight
27:09
Speaker 1: year sentence with parole eligibility after sixty six years, and
27:15
Speaker 1: the sentence began while he was serving out his five
27:18
Speaker 1: year federal sentence.
27:20
Speaker 2: Most of my time I stayed in the county because
27:23
Speaker 2: I had the court situation with this case. So the
27:26
Speaker 2: time almost up anyway. You believe that the pill process
27:29
Speaker 2: take like a year eighteen months, but I had time anyway.
27:33
Speaker 3: So that's how I looked at it, like I'll be.
27:35
Speaker 2: Back on a pill. So then after that I came
27:39
Speaker 2: here from Camden County. I'm in New Jersey State Prison
27:42
Speaker 2: now MAXIM Secure facility and federal prison. You get to
27:47
Speaker 2: go out all day from six thirty am to nine pm.
27:50
Speaker 2: You out the room, but here you lock down all day.
27:54
Speaker 2: Basically you get yard every other day. You get to shower,
27:58
Speaker 2: you get to use the Kia is the size of
28:01
Speaker 2: a bathroom, smaller than the bathroom. For by success, I
28:05
Speaker 2: work out, listen to music, talk to my family, watch TV.
28:10
Speaker 2: For the first and most part followed the law. It's
28:12
Speaker 2: hard man. A lot of gods lose their mind down here.
28:16
Speaker 2: It's a rough spot. But you just got the only
28:18
Speaker 2: focus is to get out of jail. When I came here,
28:21
Speaker 2: my mind frame, like I said, you be thinking, you
28:24
Speaker 2: trust the process because you innocent, So you get a
28:26
Speaker 2: lawyer on direct to tell automatically God that don't know
28:30
Speaker 2: no better leave it up to the lawyer and they
28:32
Speaker 2: don't do no research. But I still was young, so
28:34
Speaker 2: I came down here playing basketball, running around. So my
28:37
Speaker 2: mind frame was let the lawyer do everything till then
28:42
Speaker 2: as I got older and start figuring her out. Now
28:45
Speaker 2: I helped myself help the lawyer. I cut my TV
28:48
Speaker 2: off and went through all my trial transcripts and stuff.
28:51
Speaker 2: That's when I started finding new evidence that wasn't presented
28:55
Speaker 2: that trial that basically shows and proved that I've been framed.
28:59
Speaker 1: That One major development was Richard Barge. Not only was
29:04
Speaker 1: he another Jamal Gibbs victim, but he also was an
29:06
Speaker 1: eyewitness who had come forward to Manfred's attorney pre trial.
29:10
Speaker 2: When we were in the county back in two thousand
29:12
Speaker 2: and nine. He was like, yo, man, tell you a
29:14
Speaker 2: lawyer to contact me. Man, you ain't do that shit.
29:18
Speaker 2: So I told my lawyer about it. So he went
29:21
Speaker 2: to see Richard Barge.
29:22
Speaker 3: And he tells them that he was out there that
29:24
Speaker 3: night with a woman who Tia Hannah says is at
29:27
Speaker 3: the scene.
29:28
Speaker 1: And that girlfriend was Maisha Brown, the person Tia Hannah
29:31
Speaker 1: was next to when the shots rang out.
29:34
Speaker 3: He says that man for Younger isn't one of the shooters,
29:36
Speaker 3: that he was actually standing in the general vicinity of
29:39
Speaker 3: where Adrienne Jackson and Tierra Presley were standing when the
29:43
Speaker 3: shots rang out, and he knows Manford Younger, and he
29:46
Speaker 3: says that Younger is not one of the shooters. Unfortunately,
29:49
Speaker 3: man for Younger's lawyer never calls Richard Barge.
29:52
Speaker 2: My lawyer was like, well, I believe he was there,
29:55
Speaker 2: but the jury might not believe him because both of
29:58
Speaker 2: y'all got Jamal gar.
30:00
Speaker 1: Gates, which seems like a colossal lapse in judgment considering
30:05
Speaker 1: what Jamal Gibbs testified to in Barge's trial.
30:08
Speaker 3: In Richard Barge's case, he actually testified that Richard Barge
30:11
Speaker 3: admitted to a homicide via sign language, but.
30:14
Speaker 1: When this ineffective council claim was presented at a post
30:17
Speaker 1: conviction hearing, Manford's attorney was also called to the stand,
30:20
Speaker 1: where he had trouble recalling his interaction with Richard Barge
30:24
Speaker 1: or with Manfred about using barge.
30:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was old already, he was eighty years old,
30:30
Speaker 2: so when he came to the PCR here he was
30:32
Speaker 2: even way like off track.
30:35
Speaker 1: Nevertheless, the judge decided to err on the side of
30:37
Speaker 1: defense council's murky recollection of his final trial after a
30:41
Speaker 1: thirty six year career. But this wasn't defense Council's only misstep.
30:45
Speaker 1: As we mentioned, counsel never raised the problem with Jackson's
30:49
Speaker 1: id illustrated by his alleged spotting of baby Jay on
30:53
Speaker 1: September sixth, two thousand and seven, while Manford was incarcerated
30:56
Speaker 1: in Gloucester County Jail. So Manfred's PCR motion was denied
31:00
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. But so much more has been discovered
31:03
Speaker 1: since then.
31:04
Speaker 3: Number One, that Jamie Lee Channer, who testified a trial,
31:08
Speaker 3: he did not receive a benefit, that he was doing
31:09
Speaker 3: this out of the kindness of his heart. He absolutely
31:12
Speaker 3: received a benefit. He received a time cut, He received
31:15
Speaker 3: support from the Camden County Prosecutor's office to get out
31:18
Speaker 3: of jail. Jamal Gibbs testified that he was not receiving
31:22
Speaker 3: anything for his testimony. Now, this guy played guilty to manslaughter.
31:26
Speaker 3: He's a killer. Jamal Gibbs. He pleads guilty to manslaughter.
31:30
Speaker 3: At sentencing, the judge is going to hear all the
31:33
Speaker 3: cooperation right and consider that in so his trial testimony
31:38
Speaker 3: that he's he already received his deal, that he expects
31:42
Speaker 3: to get five years. That's what he says. I expected
31:44
Speaker 3: a fighter. This guy gets five years for killing a person.
31:47
Speaker 3: It turns out he got money and housing for his testimony.
31:50
Speaker 1: So he got money, housing and the sweet deal of
31:55
Speaker 1: just five years for murder.
31:57
Speaker 3: Wow, and what was interesting this guy? As this His
32:01
Speaker 3: child's mother comes forward and says that he admitted to
32:05
Speaker 3: her that he was lying in cases to get out
32:07
Speaker 3: of jail. I forget. What he's saying is why do
32:10
Speaker 3: ten when you can lie on ten?
32:12
Speaker 2: All this?
32:13
Speaker 3: Why do ten when you can lie on a friend
32:15
Speaker 3: or something like that. That was his thing, and it's
32:18
Speaker 3: come out in the investigation. He did not like man
32:20
Speaker 3: for younger. But his baby mother comes forward, provides a
32:24
Speaker 3: sworn statement to an investigator, says that he admitted the
32:28
Speaker 3: lying in cases to her and that he shot up
32:31
Speaker 3: her house because he thought she was talking to the
32:33
Speaker 3: Camden County prosecutors. The second he gets out of jail,
32:36
Speaker 3: he shoots her house up. She goes to the Camden
32:38
Speaker 3: County Prosecutor's office and they bury it. They refuse to
32:41
Speaker 3: help her.
32:42
Speaker 1: So we've established that Channer and Gibbs were not telling
32:45
Speaker 1: the truth and were incentivized to lie. But now there
32:48
Speaker 1: are witnesses to corroborate Richard Barge's statement and Man for gennicence.
32:53
Speaker 3: There's a gentleman by the name of Antoine Stanley who
32:55
Speaker 3: was also out there that night, who said that he
32:58
Speaker 3: sees the shooters run up and that Man for Younger
33:01
Speaker 3: couldn't have been one of them. He knew Man for
33:02
Speaker 3: Younger couldn't be Man for Younger. Another witness, Darryl Debbie,
33:06
Speaker 3: Troy Loan's nephew by the way, who actually says that
33:09
Speaker 3: Troy Loan suggested to Adrian Jackson that baby Jay was
33:13
Speaker 3: the killer.
33:14
Speaker 1: And then, of course there's what has come out about
33:16
Speaker 1: Martin Devlin in Philadelphia, and it appears that his conduct
33:20
Speaker 1: only continued in Camden. The single photo identifications supported by
33:25
Speaker 1: incentivized jailhouse snitches.
33:27
Speaker 3: It's a pattern in that office that begins to really
33:31
Speaker 3: take shape in the nineties. And guess who arrived in
33:33
Speaker 3: the nineties Martin Devlin. I mean, they have a pattern
33:36
Speaker 3: of saying that if you live in Camden, then you
33:38
Speaker 3: know everybody in Camden. Therefore we can just show anyone
33:42
Speaker 3: a single photo and let them identify anybody. Everybody knows
33:45
Speaker 3: everybody in Camden. If you ask the Camden Police Department
33:48
Speaker 3: and the Prosecutor's office, everybody knows everybody. That's just not true,
33:52
Speaker 3: it's systemic, it's endemic. Man for Younger, from my investigation,
33:57
Speaker 3: is an innocent man that's been sitting in prison for
34:00
Speaker 3: fifteen years for crime he didn't commit.
34:02
Speaker 2: A murder.
34:03
Speaker 3: He didn't commit and this is something he's been fighting
34:06
Speaker 3: since day one.
34:07
Speaker 1: After Justin picked up Manfred's case at twenty twenty two,
34:09
Speaker 1: he shared the case with the New Jersey Attorney General's
34:12
Speaker 1: Conviction Review Unit, but they ran into trouble.
34:15
Speaker 3: It's actually quite heartbreaking because that cru and New Jersey
34:19
Speaker 3: they did not finish their investigation and essentially there's deadlines
34:23
Speaker 3: with evidence and it's within a year of me discovering
34:28
Speaker 3: the deal that Jamie Channer gets. I had to go
34:31
Speaker 3: to the court with that. So I had to essentially
34:34
Speaker 3: make a move for Manfred because I can't let a
34:38
Speaker 3: Brady claim as strong as what we have with Jamie
34:41
Speaker 3: Lee Channer sit that he received a deal when really
34:45
Speaker 3: his testimony was he was a saint, you know what
34:48
Speaker 3: I mean, like his mother Teresa or something.
34:50
Speaker 1: Just a concerned citizen.
34:52
Speaker 3: Out of the goodness of his heart. The guy's a liar.
34:54
Speaker 3: I couldn't do that. And I've discovered other evidence that
34:58
Speaker 3: with Gibbs. I mean, we knew that Gibbs had got
35:00
Speaker 3: money in housing.
35:01
Speaker 2: Jamal Gibbs got paid ten thousand dollars in a house,
35:05
Speaker 2: and he lied to other cases and they didn't turn
35:07
Speaker 2: that over.
35:08
Speaker 3: And now we have confirmation of that he cooperated in more.
35:11
Speaker 3: I think they mentioned four cases to defense counsel he
35:15
Speaker 3: cooperated in. He cooperated in over ten. And that's astounding
35:19
Speaker 3: in a place of smallest Camden. I mean, it's like,
35:21
Speaker 3: so everybody who committed a murder that was sitting in
35:24
Speaker 3: Camden County jail is telling you that they committed the
35:27
Speaker 3: murder and.
35:28
Speaker 2: Give He just recently recanted to the Attorney General Office
35:31
Speaker 2: saying I didn't tell him nothing. He admitted that I
35:34
Speaker 2: didn't confess to him. This is new, all this new.
35:37
Speaker 3: The plan is the file a PCR based upon actual innocence,
35:42
Speaker 3: significant Brady violations based upon what's called the fraud upon
35:46
Speaker 3: the court, which is that witnesses lied at trial and
35:49
Speaker 3: the prosecutor knew that they lied at trial by the
35:52
Speaker 3: prosecutor's own file.
35:53
Speaker 1: Is there anything that our audience could do to help
35:56
Speaker 1: besides sharing this episode obviously as at least the first step.
36:00
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I just want y'all to support you. Hear
36:03
Speaker 2: what's going on. Everything I'm saying is facts. It's not freestyle,
36:07
Speaker 2: and the facts is documented. Everything is on paper.
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Speaker 3: Number One, they need to reach out to Matthew Plackin,
36:13
Speaker 3: who's the Attorney General about Camden County. Number two, they
36:17
Speaker 3: should write the governor. But number three, they need to
36:20
Speaker 3: really put pressure on the Camden County Prosecutor's office.
36:23
Speaker 2: You could go to my Instagram and check everything out
36:26
Speaker 2: free underscore Manfred, and you get to see what your
36:29
Speaker 2: own your own eyes.
36:31
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to have that length in the episode description,
36:33
Speaker 1: and with that we're going to go to closing arguments,
36:36
Speaker 1: where first of all, I thank both of you from
36:39
Speaker 1: the bottom of my heart for joining us. And now
36:42
Speaker 1: I'm just going to kick back in my chair with
36:43
Speaker 1: my microphone off and my headphones on and just listen
36:47
Speaker 1: to anything else you feel is left to be said.
36:49
Speaker 1: Justin You're gonna go first, Manfred, You'll take us off
36:53
Speaker 1: ato the sunset.
36:55
Speaker 3: Manfred is not the only case like this, okay. I
37:00
Speaker 3: represented a gentleman by the name of Tehran Hill who
37:03
Speaker 3: was exonerated in twenty twenty one, and Tehran Hill almost
37:07
Speaker 3: spot on with manfreed single photo, two jail house informants,
37:12
Speaker 3: and through the course of the Attorney General's Conviction Review
37:16
Speaker 3: Units investigation determined that the jailhouse informants were unreliable. One
37:20
Speaker 3: of them were candidate at trial, and then the identification
37:23
Speaker 3: of Tron Hill was unreliable because of the single photo.
37:27
Speaker 3: Same thing as man for younger and I have other
37:30
Speaker 3: cases in Camden County. This is systemic. What's going on here.
37:34
Speaker 3: They took this man and they threw him in the
37:37
Speaker 3: garbage camp. His mother is getting up in age. He
37:39
Speaker 3: does not want to die in prison. It's heartbreaking, and
37:43
Speaker 3: the Canden County Prosecutor's office thinks that people are just
37:45
Speaker 3: going to go away. I'm not going away. My name
37:48
Speaker 3: is Justin Bonus. Nice to meet you.
37:51
Speaker 2: It ain't just me, it's the same pattern with the
37:54
Speaker 2: same guy that pops up in everybody case. It's four
37:58
Speaker 2: guys down here with me. Now. They got one single
38:00
Speaker 2: photo jail house snitch. Richard Barrs one photo with the
38:04
Speaker 2: same jail house smich. Jamal gives in about fifteen cases
38:09
Speaker 2: murder cases just to save his own behind because he
38:13
Speaker 2: had his own murder trial. He got five years for
38:16
Speaker 2: his own case, murder at tempted murder, bank robbery, and
38:20
Speaker 2: ten thousand doles in the house. Just the fabricate stories
38:23
Speaker 2: on innocent people. It's the same pattern, same group of detectives.
38:27
Speaker 2: Diane Wilson, James Sossano, Martin Devlin, James Bruno. It's the
38:32
Speaker 2: same detectives, same pattern, same wrong doing in the city
38:36
Speaker 2: of Camden, New Jersey. All they care about is conviction,
38:39
Speaker 2: and the problem is being as though we come from
38:41
Speaker 2: a poor, young black community, we don't have the resources,
38:45
Speaker 2: or we don't have media attention, or they get away
38:48
Speaker 2: with it. And then the judges and the prosecutors, they
38:52
Speaker 2: took an oath to do the right thing, but they don't.
38:54
Speaker 2: They dirty, they do people wrong. All they care about
38:58
Speaker 2: is the conviction, and we don't have no body to
39:00
Speaker 2: help with We need all the help we can get,
39:02
Speaker 2: any exposure, any help at a city A can.
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