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Talks to (the brave) Luke Molloy about his choice of A Good Man Goes To War · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Hello, and welcome back to. I'm still with a blunt penknife
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with AMI and Lucroy. My guests today, Joe Ford,
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hello. I'm very happy to be here.
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Oh good. And what episode?
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We're going to be watching today.
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Joe Ford, hang on a minute. Before we even get to this
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episode, I need to take you to task.
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Mister what's what are we doing? What has occurred to one of my
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Favorite podcasts. Oh, I lost some Gallifrey
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podcast. It's lost, but things do get
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lost. You know.
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He's all right. It's sucks for Amy's crack and
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on the other side of the universe, it'd be so lucky.
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No, yeah, it was time. It's time to retire.
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I really felt like I wanted a bit more time to just sit back
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and enjoy dr. Too, often analyzed me since
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then, though. I've probably done more podcast.
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Never. Yeah, but there is such a
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difference is between turning up and just chucking it in some
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thoughts then actually editing and scheduling.
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And all the other bits of podcasting that people don't
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really really sorry about straight men, you
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know? Sorry, we're back so bad.
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Let's, let's not go there. All right.
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What else did you start? It's good to start this episode
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on a, on a light. No.
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Because boy, we're in for some choppy Waters this week, I think
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so. Yeah.
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Well, you made with done this before, you know, we've always
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agreed. We did rings of akhaten.
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We loved it. We did not love a monster's
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twice and we loved it release. The drug cut?
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Yeah, I think that you are you sure II think I specifically
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asked you this time, which one of these do you not like And you
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said a good man goes to war and let's kill Hitler indeed.
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Can I can I say so very quickly? You can I love Doctor Who?
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Well, that's obvious. So I have about 500 podcasts,
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that's death. I cannot think I was trying to
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think of earlier of a time when there have been as many
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successive, episodes of Doctor Who that I haven't enjoyed.
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Enjoyed and it looks like season 6 and I can't think of any other
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time in the show's history. So I'll put a caveat at the
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beginning of this in that I really dislike.
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The two episodes were talking about today.
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That is a subjective opinion before you hurt me, it's just
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that. I will yeah.
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Well yeah, but It's just not for me and that's fair enough.
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Like you must have, you know before we start with it was a
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period up to the your kind of less keen on probably from the
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middle of a woman who fell to Earth to the beginning of the
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power of the doctors problem. I think that's a fair chunk of
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that era. You know, where does it start
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and end for you? Then wait a minute there must be
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episodes in between the you enjoy somewhere in there.
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The ones that are Think I would actually pick out and watch
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would be Rosa War of the sontarans hands and the one
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after it once upon time, I really enjoyed that even though
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it got quite mixed reaction. Well, yeah, definitely.
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Do you like resolution and so I think I don't know if it ever
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put them on though. Like purposely I could do a
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Jodie, Whittaker commentary. Yeah.
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It would be good for I point of what we're doing today.
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Yeah, it was. Yeah, I would like to do ability
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at Asia. Got to know it's been done but
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that's what I probably didn't. Probably watch and everyone says
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his brilliant and I quite like to give it another go and I've
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also still to this day, never seen.
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Can you hear me? I don't just never seen, you
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know what, maybe we'll do that one.
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Then possibly, that might be good for a into mental health
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and a man whose fingers Leave his hands.
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I mean absolutely delightful. Well okay I'm basically just
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drunk. What is your Zoom thinks a gang?
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A baby? I'll put the nickname in for
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this episode, the last episode. No there's no.
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Hey there's no gasps. Oh
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consistently episodes for you all season six, just the whole
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of it. I like the doctor's wife in the
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dog called The God complex and that is it in Series 6.
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The rest you're not a fan of Impossible Astronaut day the
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Moon. I think Impossible Astronaut is
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a really terrible way to start the season and I think ending
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that two-parter with so many unresolved plot threads.
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It's an appalling way to start a season of Doctor.
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Who at the end of that, I was like, yeah, I'm like exhausted
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already. And we haven't we haven't even
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started exploring some of this, I disagree, but I think you've
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got something that it's a bad way to start a broken soul.
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Of Doctor Who it's the Gap in the middle that really makes it
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seem structurally not together at all.
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I'll tell you what it is. I think, Impossible, Planet, and
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day of the moon, is basically Moffat starting the season with
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a series finale which yeah, I got about things.
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Yeah. And when he does it again in
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series 9, it doesn't work there really either.
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While God, do that one with Fraser Gregory, you know, and he
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absolutely loves that one. So I really like the witch's
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familiar. Yeah, it's just, it's a bumpy
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way to get there, isn't it? That, you know, like, with
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Series 6? I was talking about this, with
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Mark earlier with 36. I think it is the most Ally
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applaud this, the most ambitious the show has ever been.
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Yeah, yeah, it should never be that.
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Ambitious. Again, ever because I should be
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ambitious on a BBC. Budget may be pretty miserably
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and, you know, why is because it was to tell a kind of really
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constructed Arc narrative with a show that has a format of we can
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go anywhere in time and space from week to week.
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Yeah. So what's to tell these
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Standalone stories? Where We're Here There and
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Everywhere. And it wants to tell this really
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focused story are at the same time and those two things they
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don't work together. Well, I think it's just at the
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start that the ark isn't focused at all.
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It's a load of mysteries, just added another than others in the
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That you'll keep watching for the and even the point where you
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start to get answers as well touch on in that Skillet you
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just thrown with a lot more mystery just like to keep you in
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the butt. It's one.
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It's one of those shows that because scripts are coming in
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late and you get problems of things.
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Have to be Rewritten, it's very hard to make a cohesive Focus
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talk which I think is what I will see.
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Davis keeps it really simple. We just like a word or a thing
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and does because it will it everything.
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Changes all the time and obviously are you obviously are
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more tempted to indulge in re-watching a rusty day of the
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story because they are generally stand-alones with delicate art
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moments in it. Rather than re-watching, let's
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kill Hitler which isn't a middle of this very dense Arc and I
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where was I, where am I going? What's going on, right?
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Yeah but I think the only ones that suffer from that really are
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this one. Let's kill Hitler in the wedding
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of River Song. The rest's, the might have a bit
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of things going on in the back. Out.
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But whatever. They all stand alone.
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Reading River Song is my least favorite new series episode not
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bad but you know, it's what I feel like it's like a, it's like
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a patchwork quilt. And when you start pulling up
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the threads, none of it ties up properly and characters have to
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behave in ways that don't make any sense whatsoever in order
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for those twists to hit when they do and things like that.
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So like the we'll get to in in these two.
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Episodes. Because I feel like this is the
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point where Amy and Rory stop being characters that I can buy
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into in any way, shape, or form, and become narrative, ciphers
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just there to say, words, to make this sprawling, sort of
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Epic narrative. Makes some kind of sense.
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Yeah, you can set, you can definitely pull it apart.
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I think it probably would have been pulled apart a bit more.
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It's just, at the time, everything was really exciting
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and you thought there's always more to come.
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And then people who have been to exhausted Bye.
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I've never gone back to pull it open and then the people that
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will go back. I like the people that really
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like it and on aren't going to question it so much.
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So I think I've definitely re-watched ever thought.
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Yeah, could you can pull the story of wide open.
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It doesn't really make any sense.
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Why just, why does River Song of to be put in a space suit if
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it's automatic. Anyway like why is she on the
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beach twice? There's not really any sort of
10:15
reason for anything it's that have the Doctor Who fans this
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is. Their meat and potatoes in it,
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taking a doctor who story and pulling it apart and going
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online and explaining everything that don't make sense.
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Yeah. But I think it was so in depth
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that people were almost scared to pull it up in case they'd
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miss something. But actually it's probably not
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as a way of the River Song timeline.
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We're come crashing down on and they never be seen again.
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Like I think a series 5 is got a complex Arc, but it does make
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sense and it is quite clever. And so before They're that more
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questionable about pulling this van apart whereas actually this
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one is a lot more slapdash and as Band-Aids all over it and I
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think six I've heard, this sound.
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FTE is a reaction to 5 in that. Moffat never does the same thing
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twice within 5. He basically does a rusty, Davis
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esque season is structured like a rusty Davis season.
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Yeah. With his own arc in there and
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his own cleverness and basically two years to prepare it.
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So You can tell those scripts have been polished and that's
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horrible. Whereas this one, they're just
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really allowed to knock it out, but strangely, he's gotten like
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10 times as ambitious, a serious five.
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So that's sort of iron it out and make it.
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As structures as it needs to be or as well told as it probably
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needed, I do research you said before about like it's too
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ambitious, but I think we always say like dr.
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Who should always try and be ambitious.
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I know it doesn't work but it does give you a unique sort of
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little Series in history. And I think we forget, well, I
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don't know how it was for you but I just remember it being so
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exciting at the time. Series 6 was so excited, the
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MIT. Like before you understand you
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started shipping out. Lot six and seven hours.
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Like is this for me anymore? I think.
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Well, okay, more. So the first half this build-up
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to who River Song was in that I think a lot of people ingested,
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I think by the time let's kill Hitler came along people.
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Then start to tap out, it was around the time that people
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start to tap out and whether that was cause you know, there's
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an element of also they outgrew this show but I think there was
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an element of yeah, fuck this. The last time I'm going to say
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that we really should press play.
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You know. I want this which discusses a
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Already we haven't gone in yet but we've River song.
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I think people think I like River song as character I do
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like River song as a character but I liked her when she is sort
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of brought down and allowed to act like a person.
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So I like her in silence, a library, The Forest of the dead
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and I really, really like her. And her husband's of River Song,
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especially the second half of it, I think are some of our best
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material, basically, all the stuff that Well, the Matt Smith
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stuff. I'm one, I don't by Matt Smith
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and an extinct Kingston as a couple.
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I don't see the chemistry there in the way that I absolutely saw
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chemistry between her and Peter Capaldi.
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I mean, I don't see it. I honestly don't see.
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And you kidding. No, I'm not kidding.
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A lot of people love husband's River Song and it's just not one
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of my favorites Axl. Well, I have a break for with
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her is. I just don't buy the seams
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between her Karen Gillan, and I don't believe that's her
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daughter. Guide the way they play it, the
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way it's written and the way the narrative sort of plays about
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with how Amy reacts around her daughter, I think it's fun.
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Like the dysfunctional Moffat family.
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Like the mother be an old being younger than the daughter and
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stuff. Well, I think in The Angels,
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Take Manhattan, it really works. Yes.
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Yeah. And that bit, the bit of the end
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of The Angels, Take Manhattan where she goes.
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Yes, go go and be with Rory, and fuck the doctor basically.
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And that's the I'm where I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go, I'm
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sold this, is it? That I absolutely believe that,
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that is her daughter at that moment, but before, like, you
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think of Jackie, Tyler and Rose Tyler you.
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Absolutely, that's, that's mother-daughter.
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Absolutely, I'm sold in the first that is, that is a
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different show, isn't it? They did a really good.
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I think it could have been that good, but it's so different
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though. It's moffatt's way of doing
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sitcom time, travel, be writing and yeah, like, it's definitely
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better in a just taken out and I we If we'd have had a few more
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episodes of that family Dynamic, it would have been really fun.
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These are her worst, definitely. I mean, she's not really in good
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man, but let's kill Hitler. And I think that's the worst
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characterization by far sort of excuse by the fact, the Reds
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meant to be all over the place. But can you guess, right?
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I think one of her lies in? Let's go hit.
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There is that the worst line of dialogue in all of dogs are?
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Who can you guess what it is? Is it the bar mitzvah?
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Yeah, it's Oh God. I was hurling things that the TV
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Mart was like because the fortune don't briefing that the
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dirty? Yeah I mean that's just my
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Affinity roll with it. We watch this thing.
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Yeah and I think the last thing before we press play though it's
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like well yeah we've not even pressed play because there's so
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much to talk it's so juicy that I think like as whether it
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succeeds or not, as a good piece of television or something,
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normal viewer would like, as a doctor, he And it's such an
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interesting periods. Also talked about and really
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delve into I think, I think whilst The Narrative may be in
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substantive, the ideas in there are very substantial.
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Yeah there's a lot to kind of get you nowhere whether you're
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going to be on the positive side or the negative side.
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Yeah boy there's lots to talk about yeah kill let's talk that
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his cave. No you go.
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I always do it. 5 tuned for them.
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Three, two, one, go. It's all about her.
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So here we have previously on how they'll say the Madden cover
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and popping up in various stories.
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Yeah. Now that's how you do it but I
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was super intrigued by that. Yeah, it's really good but as
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you said before there's just so many are key elements that it's
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so gets a bit lost because there's so many, it's a shame,
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I'll call Luke can we very quickly we gotta talk about this
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bit where the doctor murders, a me at the end.
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What a good Cliffhanger. This was its So ugly that scene.
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I right. Really?
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You like the doctor murder in His companion.
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Yeah. Because it's ingested.
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It's horrible. See now, look.
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Now he's a me, right? I just got a lovely, cute looky
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looky, baby. Yeah, yeah, she soon forgets
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about that at the end of. Let's go.
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Hit that don't show you. You know, it's really funny
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because I don't know whether it's because I was young or
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because like I was so interested talk to.
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But I just didn't even really think about the fact that she
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doesn't care that she loses a bit of its very strange.
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Yeah. Like, that's the character be I
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just can't forgive, is the I don't think a mother thus given
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birth. If there's been some weird
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explanation that she's somehow been brought up with her child,
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as the same age as her as males are still, don't think she'd be
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like, well I'm very happy to lose my baby.
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Yeah it's definitely not enough for the doctors just to turn up
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with River. Some 200 years later and feel
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like she is but it's something I think questions but I think as
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you get older you do you think that that's not right?
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Right. Somebody else, I saw a question
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in this season is he's how far it goes and I when I did.
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Oh, but I live in a bucket. You know.
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This character on a bucket? Yeah.
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She's one of the regulars in strange, new worlds.
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Now, the that is Alex. Kurtzman Star Trek series.
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Oh, cool. I met a say, she fucking
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brilliant in it as well. She's putting this.
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You plays this grumpy woman, right?
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Who tries to find the farm every week and fails miserably, but
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she's absolutely brilliant as it's good to see.
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You're getting extra work. They were belong to the big
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finish picker time, War, Lorna book, The Lord of bucket
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Adventures, don't you sit there and pretend that you and me
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ain't gonna buy that, right? You buy it.
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We cannot say that this but we will fight.
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And I would go on to the end with the hole Melody Pond is
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River Song. Revelation almost sums up that
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Moffat was out of ideas quite quickly.
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I think like he I think he called Amy Pond, Amy Pond, just
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for the backup of if he had to do something with the song later
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on down the line, he can relate it to her.
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Not like a big plant that it was gonna turn out to be a daughter
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and then I think by it series 5 goes well it goes what's next?
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I'll shit explain this. This is.
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So again, it's been whispering in my ear.
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The only water in the forest is the river.
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Yeah. That's weak, isn't it?
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I think it would, you know what though?
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Right. I will say this for that twist.
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I only guessed it about five minutes before it landed Meto
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and it just makes you feel the deepest in it.
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Well, I'm not huge on it. Well when they use the new so
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far away pre-title sequence. Yeah but then I suppose like
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Daleks are in sontarans are it's something that this ear it does,
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doesn't it? It's it can throw them in and
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blow them up as like a little quick speaking to me I love that
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Dalek who was on that woman's back in resolution by that.
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That's slithering mutant. Yeah it's good as the mutant,
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isn't it? Yeah I wanted one of Briggs is
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best performance. Is that a good mix breaks voice?
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Oh yeah. Here we go.
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Oh my God. Is the fat thin ones?
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Yeah do I have to talk about? I am in no position to talk
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about this. Okay, we'll say this one point
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for representation and - 2 million points for insulting.
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You can see exactly what it's try to do.
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Like make fun of the fact that people don't even Like
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appreciate again a person's personality or like just person
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because they just see them as the label.
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But so far, it's done so far - yeah, somehow manages to insult
21:45
people religious people and gay people all in one go.
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Well, don't that is a hell of a fight.
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That's probably Moffat slowest. After sensation because he does
22:03
get better. And in the same episode, you've
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got Jenny investor here. I think.
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Yeah. Well, I think you know, as kinky
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as the are believable couple which is quite saying something,
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when she's a lizard, I'm awful Isn't human relations, you know,
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honestly very nice time with a salamander once, you know.
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You know what I saw was very strange, as you just said
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something negative about this episode and I'm about to say
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something positive. I feel as if we're reversing
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roles boy oh boy the production value on this thing is pretty
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decent. Yes, because he's what he asks
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is for there to be a myriad of locations, a huge guest cast,
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like I think we can see now. Why Curse of the Black Spot look
22:51
so cheap because because I was saving the money for this one,
22:56
but the money's on the screen. Yeah.
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Yeah. I think As more time goes on.
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I realized I just, I almost like dr.
23:04
Light episodes because like this.
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And I've just done the Crimson arrow on Kettle with a string.
23:10
And the doctor is not in them for like 15 minutes.
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And I love that build-up. And that question of worry is,
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I'll play as you want. You give me these openings
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honestly. Matt Smith's 94, 15 minutes.
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Happy Days. Yeah, but makes it so good when
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he turns up. Okay, well, Ashley Don't say
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it's a positive. Now course, happen to me, the
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Headless monks, right? I did.
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But this is indicative of the problem again, because it's a
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great idea, that's worth exploring and there's no time to
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explore it. Yeah it's just like krumins gets
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ideas into the script. It's like in.
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Let's kill Hitler. I was watching earlier in
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between swearing. I was saying things like the
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tesselecta, such a great idea. Why on Earth that I should have
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been the whole story? You could have said it in the
24:02
test lecture and found out about like and what it does is he
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throws away so many Fantastic ideas.
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I think it is a sort of driven by what's going to be the next
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History. What do we need to set up for
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the future? Well, I'll send just focusing on
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what the story is now, too much. Mmm, and I tell you something,
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now that's going to stun you rigid.
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Oh go on. Then you ready for this?
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It's your fancy Jenny. I'm a heterosexual.
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Matt. No no, that's why it's no
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definitely not. Oh yeah, I do think I see I'm
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warming to the paternoster gang. I don't know how but I think
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come the Crimson Horror. I'm and deep breath.
24:44
It's a shame. They ditch their dicks from the
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show at that point often like other gone because that first 15
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minutes of the Crimson Aura, it's the best part of crimson
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Aura. Maybe there's so much fun.
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There's so much for. I don't know how much more you
25:00
could do with them though after deep breath.
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And I say that as someone who's got all the big fish boxes for
25:06
like it's 30 70 times Jerry could go.
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Oh this is my wife and Jackson go.
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Yes boy I mean, girl, some people say that about Django, a
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lot of it, you know, and then 13 series later.
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Yeah, I think I'll be proven wrong if I want this.
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I know if they turned up in which she got will be all over
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it. So Okay.
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So we've got the first appearance of Strax here.
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The sontaran nurse controversial at the time was today, very
25:32
much. So and I I'm so conflicted
25:36
because I think Dan Starkey is very Charming, but I also think
25:40
that sometimes are now a joke. It's one sons are in the day,
25:45
but then there's always a joke like they were the butt of the
25:50
jokes in the two doctors. They were generally the butt of
25:53
the jokes in invasion of time. Yeah, I think this is come from
25:57
people who read like The 90s novels where they were having
26:00
massive space. Worsley brutality, doctors, yes,
26:03
all that and the invaded Gallifrey.
26:05
So obviously the one of the big ones, but they weren't meant to
26:08
be a joke on imperialism at the time.
26:10
In the time, Warrior always meant to be.
26:13
A bit for me, it's just take it to the extreme.
26:15
How can you not get? Which is so silly.
26:17
Here's a toad, who knows what I told thinks?
26:21
Yeah. I mean you're gonna be you're
26:23
gonna be a bit miserable Tonight.
26:24
George Jackson. I know everything he says, is
26:26
funny, but like, easy and enjoyable watch.
26:29
I'll say this. Yeah, I think he's responsible
26:32
for the best and worst comedy moment in the new series
26:35
genuinely often the best comedy bone, but the made me laugh so
26:39
much it's when he Froze that paper yes the he's favorite And
26:43
the worst is some joke. Oh, God is there?
26:47
Yes, it's only compelled. Competition is the Wi-Fi family
26:53
for retina. Yeah.
26:56
Yeah though it's on the same level though.
26:58
Why don't we stop the episode. So we could say, we could have
27:01
had a reunite real reunions between Thomas Thomas and the
27:05
Wi-Fi, family, we got Rory, talking some Vivir, asking it.
27:12
Help the Doctors are me. It seems you 10.
27:14
Not the idea of the storm cage. Yeah.
27:17
Stargate specificity outside. No, you just see this one
27:21
Corridor. That's a shame.
27:23
I just keep following the same cell even though she escapes
27:27
every week. I think that's the basement of
27:29
Debenhams in Cardiff, you know? So when this episode went out
27:36
like we were, I watch this at Chris's house.
27:38
It was great. It was around Chris's birthday,
27:40
my co-host from Lost on Gallifrey.
27:42
There was low It was like 10 of us.
27:44
Why we would have been 15 14 15 and it was just like, who is
27:49
your son going to be? So I think we all are a lot of
27:53
this plot was just going over our heads.
27:54
We were just going through the usual where you Romana Susan.
27:57
Oh yeah, that's fully told someone at school.
28:01
It was see. It was Susan.
28:03
There was no there is no going back.
28:05
I almost would have been fun when they're right if she had
28:08
been. Yeah.
28:10
Because that day of the Moon and Sun that little Girls we
28:13
generated and this girly, just it was just watched Doctor Who
28:17
we just say, well, that's going to be with a song, isn't it?
28:19
In our psyche? Now don't be silly, that's
28:21
season Susan's back. I've got two questions for you
28:25
about River Song. Okay.
28:27
Number one, is that do you object to fucking in the Tardis?
28:31
No way. No.
28:32
She because mine it's not. It's time to have a tardis here.
28:35
Let's go. No, my general question.
28:37
The second question is Why does having sex in the Tardis?
28:45
Make a Time Lord, baby. I don't know an MBA, but did not
28:50
find it this way. Now whilst I'm coming soon from
28:55
Denny pass the Timeless child. Hey, I don't.
29:02
Yeah, it's just a wee bit of exposition, but I'd rather it
29:05
just be a quick line than anything jogged out.
29:09
What I mean it allows him to do lots of like tricks and and
29:13
cheese and things, doesn't it? Yeah, because it's not fully
29:15
explained, so it's just the Duration at the end of day of
29:18
the Moon, obviously you get the resolution to, let's kill
29:21
Hitler. You get the big twist in the
29:23
middle of let's kill Hitler. Yeah, he does do stuff with it,
29:28
but it's like here's the idea you've just got to accept it.
29:33
It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
29:34
Well, at the time it was a bit cooler as well because there
29:38
wasn't any other time Lords around.
29:40
But now we've got Gallifrey back in their field.
29:42
But at this point in time, you had River Song, the doctor and
29:45
the master hanging around in the back.
29:47
So she was effectively this the only other time.
29:50
Lord, I fucking loved or him. Track is a city fantastic.
29:56
I loved him right because I do like these sort of buffoonish
29:59
character to be a bit of garam from the Rebus.
30:03
Operation is Big over-the-top character.
30:05
Yes. Yeah but the pic where he goes
30:08
Doctor, Who Doctor, Who mana mana, wanted to eject that head
30:12
into the noise? Well, that the bit in this way
30:15
goes, don't kill me. Me I'm fat, I'm glue.
30:21
That could be. There is a portion of the
30:23
audience you know that our way into take those lines and take
30:26
them very offensive. I know bye.
30:29
Honey. I think she's a really decent
30:33
villain. Yeah, like I think she's a bit
30:34
creepy and Frances Barber who I believe may have been canceled
30:38
these days. Yeah, I think so.
30:40
Also unusual opinions. And yeah, that's pretty much
30:43
everyone is fighting recently. So I think if you're famous now,
30:46
you're The caveat that they may be cancelled one day.
30:51
She already got really weird to see.
30:53
We don't know that. Anything is shame that is too
30:56
big a show. It's just she like half ties in
31:00
with the River Song and moffatt's just bored.
31:03
He's got no new ideas for. So we don't really ever know why
31:06
she wants to kill the doctor so badly.
31:08
We get a quick one liner in the Time of the Doctor where they
31:11
go. Oh, well, the curve, Orion arm
31:14
of the cylons people is that it That's the fact that blueberry
31:18
must say. Again, I'm sure he says at the
31:20
end. Like okay, so the yeah, no,
31:24
that's sorry. The Time of the Doctor, the time
31:26
the doctor. Yeah.
31:27
But I think the time is up to the story is not really about
31:30
that, is it? But it was the title up before
31:32
Capaldi comes in but he's got a just do it in this.
31:35
Massive Exposition scene between I'd rather that a Java at least
31:40
have one line then what chip normal did with time.
31:43
This children gone through all of this for a day Position
31:47
saying in the last episode yet, but we went through all of the
31:50
time, these children and for w there's naughty we don't even
31:53
get Allied for that. It's just a fob.
31:55
Watch chucked into a big. Yeah, they're quick peek into it
31:57
in Once Upon Time. And another stories we never
32:02
fabulous Barbara Flynn and a big red tree.
32:05
Yeah. And she does nothing.
32:07
She says you're weak field. She just stands there lectures
32:09
to that. So I mean, how dare you then the
32:13
big blue man comes along and wipes away leaves mark.
32:17
Oh my God, little bit when it comes in and goes down Lewis
32:21
it's okay, I love it so much. It's happily take them back to
32:27
the best parts. Looks, I think and the sun songs
32:30
were good. He is Lorna bucket.
32:32
Now before her untimely demise in this episode, she's got the
32:37
baby cloth in our and that will hold the key.
32:41
What is interesting about her is we find out more about other
32:43
than the key players in this season?
32:47
Sweetheart. She's very sweet.
32:49
I like the performance? Yeah.
32:51
Anytime you get a sweet almost companion.
32:54
Like girl you know what's coming?
32:56
You're in trouble. Yeah.
33:01
What's your name? Boy, you seem very sweet.
33:04
That's the hardest one. Even to this day to take.
33:08
You know what? The fact that I mention her on
33:09
pretty much every episode of happy, I still can't let that
33:12
one go. Yeah she still she just sticks
33:14
there. Okay, what's going on now?
33:20
Oh, I feel like the characterization of the
33:25
beginning, is a bit tough and I feel like the characterization
33:29
of the doctor as this like, everyone's scared of him, he's
33:32
putting together this big army and there's massive armies that
33:35
are scared of him. It's a bit tough.
33:38
And I feel like, poor old Amy who's been a ganger for our Four
33:42
Season, the characterization of Amy's a bit tough, but they all
33:47
come together towards the end of this episode, right?
33:49
And I'm like, yes, there it is. That's the fucking chemistry
33:53
that these free have when they all come together in demons rum.
33:57
It's wonderful. Yeah, I think that that's where
33:59
you can tell like the the they are Grill because actors because
34:04
they don't particularly need the best writing.
34:07
So give that warmth and joy that comes over this B.
34:11
Great Colonel well, run away is Colonel Manson's about son Hood
34:16
the A monks and we know which ones there's well, I do believe
34:22
though, there are occasions, you know, where the doctor may have
34:25
risen higher than this and sunk a bit lower as well.
34:28
I mean, he tried to strangle Perry in the Tardis.
34:32
So you know what it is though? It can't rise.
34:35
Highest than ever in a one part cement.
34:39
Do you know? That sounds so silly, but like
34:41
I'm one for hyperbole but I believe Steven Moffat is as
34:44
well. We like you, we Definitely seen
34:47
a rise how and it's like, any big thing that happens in a one
34:50
part. It can't be that big because
34:52
it's not too far sir. And the fact that I call it
34:55
this, yeah, you've got this voiceover of Alex Kingston
34:58
saying death. The Battle of demons run and is
35:00
basically a shootout 42 minutes. Yeah.
35:04
And it's all in a small room and yeah.
35:06
But you know what? If it is had 26 million.
35:09
Disney plus budget. Yeah.
35:12
And you can understand the Poetry, the going forth.
35:16
Yeah. Yeah, and you know what, those
35:17
who's always had to do this? Is that to make compromises and
35:20
do it with the dialogue with the budget doesn't speak?
35:22
Yeah, you can understand like he's done it without without any
35:26
blood spilt and it's meant to be a big army base, but yeah, it's
35:30
a bit hyperbole to say the greatest ever.
35:33
Yeah, I think, if I went on to RuPaul's Drag Race, I'll
35:37
probably do Madame kovarian, you know?
35:38
With the eye patch. I think I can pull that off
35:40
really well. Yeah.
35:43
It's it's a shame because it is that sort of thing that like to
35:46
See, big finish Explore More but isn't going to happen.
35:49
No, I like, you know, even if it's not an order yeah some of
35:54
these Moffat stories would benefit so much like a Target
35:57
novel, but they're coming out, like it's the time of the doctor
36:00
or this or something. That there's so much to mine in
36:03
it. That would be great as an awful.
36:06
Other this unfortunate position. Oh, I'll tend to like all these
36:08
characters that are played by actors that end up being
36:11
canceled. So, I really like Kristoff's
36:14
character in The Jody with career, or.
36:16
Well, I'm not Not like him anymore, am I?
36:17
Yeah, is character is good, isn't it?
36:20
I'll tend to enjoy Gareth Roberts episodes while though.
36:23
I'm told, I'm not as a lot, those anymore over, you are
36:26
allowed to like them all. Thank you very much because I do
36:28
that. What's the best part apart from
36:31
the caretaker? You know, that's not the best
36:42
but it's all going on there. Headless monks Farm.
36:47
No, but I'll say, okay, we have just said, yeah, this is that
36:50
the battles done on a small scale?
36:52
I'll still feel. We've said we have seen a lot of
36:54
money on the screen. Yeah.
36:57
It's I think because it's sometimes, because it's on sets
37:00
and it's dark, it doesn't seem like they spent that much money,
37:02
but the atmosphere is definitely the.
37:05
You what is very weird is, okay? You've got a curse on a black
37:09
spot, which is basically plunged Into Darkness.
37:13
Then you've got the doctor swallow.
37:15
This is my Into Darkness. Got the rebel flesh.
37:18
And the almost people, which is the dreariest looking Doctor.
37:20
Who story ever. Yeah, well, this and this is no
37:23
lie. This is my biggest problem with
37:25
36, honestly, because when I think about it, I don't want to
37:28
put it on because it just seems so dark.
37:31
Well that even after that, you got nice literally dog.
37:34
Yeah literally. But like it just doesn't seem an
37:37
appealing aesthetic to put on when I went to the girl who
37:40
waited. And it was in that space
37:41
station, that was all bright and those lovely bright Gardens.
37:44
I'll thank God for this. Yeah.
37:47
And like that's why the impossible after day the moon
37:50
just stands out because it's this big orange button and
37:52
Cinder thing at the beginning of the season.
37:54
I will say, you don't know, I was a little critical that I do.
37:58
I'm not that Keen on it, but not visually looks amazing.
38:02
One of the best is by the we're, but at the beginning of day of
38:06
the year, one of the best, it's though that's a cinematic.
38:09
Our fingers Doctor Who's ever got.
38:11
Yeah, I think so. It's well, what do you think of
38:13
this scene? Where he's saying we are not
38:16
filled to make it up? Disarm the guns.
38:19
Say that again. Look at him anthems day and we
38:22
are not fills and make everyone disarm the guns.
38:27
No, no, it's great. You know what, a friend of mine,
38:33
the fabulist even be from new to.
38:36
He says, that he thinks that this entire story could be
38:39
salvaged. If it was all about Colonel
38:43
runaway. And that story was told and I
38:45
don't think that's wrong. I would be an interesting.
38:48
There was yeah, yeah. You could just focus it a bit
38:52
more, controversial opinion, Para, Her like that Silo rien
38:57
redesigned. You know, me too.
38:59
I don't see the issue with it and like, you know, the mass of
39:02
the black eyes. Yeah, they're creepy.
39:05
We're in the modern day, I think it's great to have like, hey I
39:09
watch so much 70s TV, you know sometimes I wonder Olga, I'll
39:17
spare me. This is a boy from picture is
39:20
italics good. We get everything wheeled out of
39:22
the doctor. He stopped covered though.
39:24
We got judoon silurians even hot Gator sees out, come on, come
39:30
on. Well how is that moment what's
39:33
wrong? It's just bringing all his
39:35
friends alone. I mean victory of the Daleks did
39:38
that leave an ugly taste in your mouth.
39:42
Not ugly, it's just a bit empty, isn't it?
39:44
So that's the end. Oh God, that's ugly taste in my
39:47
mouth. I'll tell you what a bitch,
39:48
really Alex beats them all really like that.
39:53
How empty that Dalek spaceship is just reminds for the second
39:56
half of the episode. It's just, it's all very Hollow
39:58
at the end, but like this, like look at the lighting here
40:02
compared to that spaceship in Victory of the Daleks like as a
40:05
bit of effort in this and there. Yeah, it's not just a white
40:08
room. Yeah, that's it stocked up on
40:10
jail. Is look, we've got a nice green
40:12
effect going on here. See I just I just it's the
40:18
pirate from Curse of the Black Spot.
40:20
What what did it reminds of all the good episodes?
40:23
Instead of the shit ones to know the issue is though is that we
40:27
saw this seven episodes ago in the pandorica and it was done a
40:30
million times better. Can I say that?
40:33
So, come on. What it does.
40:34
This several times, doesn't it as a title sequence going from
40:38
location to location to location, building up to that
40:42
one in the pandorica, opens This is fucking Sublime.
40:47
Yeah, and I get a think it's way.
40:48
He pulls together that whole season in five minutes.
40:52
Yeah. When he, this is the most
40:55
dramatic sniff in history. That's
41:12
the best anger. Just don't buy it.
41:14
Oh, I'd say I'd say but I could understand because people think
41:18
McCoy is good at I'm going. I just can't buy that song.
41:21
Oh, evil saves a lot of time. He's channeling mature mature
41:25
boy. There will be no, no Joyce
41:34
worst. Bit is when he's angry is what
41:36
he says. The river in Asia was like
41:37
Manhattan. You embarrass me River while
41:40
it's hot. I always feel like I'm in an
41:42
episode of EastEnders. I hate that scene.
41:45
I just hate. I said, you know what?
41:49
I think this quiet anger. Like it's just a little bit
41:51
about best, but that quiet angry does and the manipulation behind
41:55
the eyes, I think. He's so well.
41:56
You know what? Is lovely about talking to you
41:59
about this is that I do like this, but I've already named
42:05
about 15 things. I admire in it and you do like
42:10
this era a lot, but you're happy to say the things that you think
42:14
that I work. And I think that's the best kind
42:17
of Doctor Who conversation because I sat in here with me,
42:20
just say this shit a nudist. And on Twitter, you know,
42:28
exactly. But today what hunger?
42:32
Controversial opinion, pretty much.
42:34
All of Doctor Who is shit or has things wrong with it and it's
42:38
and it's just accept the dominators.
42:41
It's been. Yeah, except it's just how much
42:44
you enjoy it in yourself. The more you enjoy the voyage
42:47
you overlooked it or you recognize it and go.
42:50
That's fine. I don't really care.
42:51
Have you heard of a review site called doc?
42:54
Oh ho reviews. Doesn't mean.
42:57
A bell. Oh, okay.
42:58
Well it's there's one out there right written by a very studious
43:03
intelligent fellow and yeah, but whenever I gave a 10 out of 10,
43:08
it was never because it was Flawless, it was because of my
43:12
reaction to watch it how much I enjoyed it.
43:15
Yeah, exactly. Because I don't think there's a
43:17
piece of Television that is Flawless and and there's so many
43:21
things that it can depends on if you really liked it.
43:24
I know for a fact, the ones that I have Joy.
43:27
Don't First, Watch whether that be because there's people in the
43:30
room or any sort of external factors I struggle to enjoy.
43:34
Like, I'm a lot more on the we watch, because you have that
43:37
initial memory and same vice versa, Rebel.
43:40
We do like, yeah, I loved rings of akhaten when I watched it on
43:44
TV and then everyone tells me it's shit and then you just love
43:47
it even more because you just think about it.
43:49
Just takes you back to that. First time you watched it and no
43:51
one said a thing but also, it's quite fun to be contrary as
43:55
well. Doctor.
43:59
And then you I genuinely I is not what?
44:01
He's not my favorite. I think it's the worst he's down
44:06
there but up here. It's twice.
44:08
As long as you say it is. It's genuine and true to
44:10
yourself. I think it's very interesting
44:13
conversation. I did I did like a town called
44:15
mercy and I pointed out several scenes and that where I think is
44:18
probably the best active, the doctors ever been.
44:20
So it's not like, I think he's always terrible.
44:22
Why? It's just not for me.
44:24
Yeah, if you got like a particular Shit.
44:27
Because I series five months left for me is just don't be so
44:31
sure. I like to know what, I actually
44:33
think his my favorite Matt Smith episode is worse is to back to
44:38
back. It's Vincent and the doctor and
44:42
the lodger oh, okay. In Just Cause I just think he's
44:46
so gentle and sweet and such a lot and but hopefully it's not
44:52
easy, but be aware he goes up and he does the air kisses man.
44:56
Oh man. Man, I'll bend him over
44:58
backwards. He said he's such a ladder
45:02
logic. That was well yeah, is always
45:05
been skinny though. I would.
45:09
Oh hi, so much. You know, it's really dull.
45:34
How cool is it at the time when he got this cut out the Tardis?
45:38
Yeah. Because it was just mysterious a
45:41
name is asking him if he's had kids.
45:43
This is I'm off at last to do, do realize to delve into the
45:45
doctors childhood us. I don't watch this.
45:48
This is a nice touch, but the bit in listen where we go to his
45:51
bedroom in the barn and well, we're not, we're not doing
45:53
listen yet. I just feel like something
45:56
should to be a mystery, you know.
46:00
No, that's a lot more invasive because the thing about the time
46:09
his children is yeah it tells you a lot but it also tells you
46:12
very little and allotments left is pointless.
46:16
Where's at least in listen if thematically see ties into
46:20
everything about fear and that's where we've been told so much
46:24
about the doctor that suddenly has a layer of mystery about
46:28
what happened. Not a mystery because no one
46:30
cares. It's only Mischief people care
46:32
about other people do. That's easy.
46:34
You don't care. It's just 20 in the face and
46:38
tell him rays are coming for you now.
46:40
It's just 20 random phases. Do you really care about the
46:45
scan field? Dr. Always Center.
46:48
Moffett was like the wonky astok.
46:49
Surely put any I'll reference in any dolls boy, does he but when
46:56
Chris chibnall made an excuse for the morbius.
46:59
It says to be it, I was like, wow, you've got it, you follow
47:02
my other Moffat. Well, you know what?
47:06
That Exposition dump in the middle that episode.
47:08
Oh well, this is interminable, never come back, but don't blame
47:12
you. I don't like the proper
47:14
PowerPoint presentation, isn't it?
47:17
Okay, so where are we now? Back in the command go.
47:18
So they look at the killer. Yeah, he's never risen higher.
47:22
So they've saved the baby and everyone sort of gone.
47:24
This is yes, but it's still 10 minutes left.
47:27
So look Malloy. I'm gonna introduce you now to
47:30
the very worst moment in Doctor Who or one of them, and I
47:33
genuinely think is the most tonally irresponsible moment in
47:38
Doctor Who when the baby turns into sick.
47:41
One we shouldn't be killing babies and dogs, who that is not
47:44
good. And unfortunately, put jack,
47:48
Shanahan in the unfortunate position.
47:49
When we did this on the line, want to be praised to admit that
47:52
he fingers, killing babies in dramas and to, I think Karen
47:57
Gillan is such a good. Actress and there are several
48:01
moments in Doctor Who where I think the actresses are putting
48:03
appalling. It's Tina lievable own.
48:06
Well I'm like this is a very uncomfortable to watch.
48:11
I mean, as a fourteen-year-old, we just all burst out laughing
48:15
when it turned into go. So that's just a now.
48:20
Now, it's not as funny but it is quite funny.
48:23
Obviously, rather baby. If you had a baby.
48:26
No, that's baby. But like I think you can
48:29
separate the fact it's fiction and it's not a baby.
48:31
It's a it reality. It's a load of white.
48:34
Gu think? I think it's what makes a baby
48:37
what I said in the past. Is I just think when you're
48:39
going to batter Doctor Who into A shape where we are.
48:42
Fucking in the Tardis where we're killing babies.
48:46
Well, we're, we're killing the companions.
48:48
The doctors and I'm just like, is this a place I want to be?
48:51
Not really but yeah, I think at the time, why did I feel like
48:54
Doc's who was going like missing the mark a little bit?
48:58
I think when he gets like this age that is the reason it's
49:02
because it's just not, right? It's not just not what we talked
49:04
to who should be doing. Well it's all sort of Game of
49:07
Thrones s shock boners, isn't it?
49:10
Yeah. And I mean It's tying into what
49:13
was bigger the time, obviously, which is like, which was our key
49:17
things. Yeah.
49:18
Eric input. And gave her friends was eyes
49:20
Hawaii at this point. I think, wasn't it?
49:23
Oh, I don't know. Yeah, that I'm not the biggest
49:24
fan, but I think it was definitely around resetting
49:28
itself. You know, it was big Cliffhanger
49:30
endings and I used to joke about and Series 6 that the episodes
49:36
were so terrible. People will convince her grave
49:38
because the Cliffhangers are so good killing Amy with Either
49:41
being revealed, it's not achieve your end, it on a high people.
49:44
Do forget what happens in the 30 minutes before.
49:47
Nice hilarious thing about closing time is honoring of a
49:49
big fan of closing time, but the ending so great.
49:52
Where River being taken away, it almost makes you forget about
49:56
the previous 42 minutes. Yeah, you prefer the lunches are
50:02
closing time. Yes, yeah, no, no.
50:05
I think I can't remember what I did on my blog but I think
50:07
you're a dick close to each other.
50:09
I think one just edges the other Yeah, I do.
50:12
I do really like I feel like it's gonna avoid the Shakespeare
50:16
code, but we love the shaykh Speak.
50:17
Oh yeah. I have to be in the mood to
50:19
watch it with me because it's so accessible.
50:22
It's the most accessible bit of Doctor Who H, just, which is,
50:25
and Shakespeare, and of could draw a minute Expelliarmus.
50:28
Luke, oh no, she's been canceled as well with the barge.
50:35
But you know what? It's very tricky watching.
50:37
The series 1 now you know, with no clog, John Barrowman and
50:41
Bruno Langley. I'll support John.
50:44
Bowne it. So I I've got there's a podcast
50:48
coming out on the time last year when we really delved into it up
50:52
and watching their back, catalog is a brilliant and we did
50:56
Revolution of the Daleks and part planet of the Daleks back
50:59
to her and the revolution Dan our criticizing revolution of
51:03
the Daleks I could you not love that bit on the bridge?
51:07
Where Christoph is like I will be the rule.
51:11
ER of the Dalek is great. This is great but it was very.
51:15
There's controversial characters, it isn't it.
51:18
But the Barrowman thing we really had a good chat about and
51:20
yeah not really I wouldn't come spring.
51:23
He's like okay, I don't get cancelled when I say this, I
51:26
mean I'll have been known to get my penis out but I tend to do it
51:30
in private with the person I'm about to make love to a not in
51:36
Social again, he's a slut. I think it can be funny.
51:40
I don't think there was ever a proper complaint.
51:43
I don't it. They usually put it away in
51:45
place while you're saying that. Sorry the usual things confirm.
51:50
Oh well if I did it, work at get sucks.
51:52
Totally misses the point that the working in TV and like, the
51:55
constantly getting changed and stuff, it's always say, it's a
52:00
can of worms and we did that. We did it on there.
52:02
There's no point to it. Strangely enough, never not
52:04
funny man, goes to war. Well, actually funnily enough,
52:07
it was meant to be in this, wasn't he?
52:09
Captain. Jack will see, he was.
52:11
Yeah and scan it at that. Yeah, yeah, yeah schedule and
52:15
stopped him being in it. But he for some reason thought
52:17
Moffitt stopped and being event, even though my fitted actually
52:20
invited him. So as you know, he can be no do
52:24
better for our more online Connie I can.
52:26
Yeah, so if I think from this point onwards, all about it,
52:30
with Eve Myles, I think, did he think that she was going
52:35
backward, search with spin off without him?
52:37
And I think you just heard that was big finish.
52:39
Shhhh and you don't even talk about it right now.
52:50
I'll be back when I can process this whole thing harder our own,
52:55
I've just had to do so desperate I can't even talk about it.
52:58
It's like what are you know someone's leaving at work on the
53:01
way like that? Okay we're about to get go baby
53:07
then come baby, come on baby, come on baby.
53:11
Come back to me when I did Rebel fresh a little most people have
53:13
all that come flying about. God I need to go back.
53:17
This is the it was. I'll tell you what, he waited a
53:20
bold attempt. Dave Barry come on me, though,
53:24
right? Because I put our Twitter polls
53:25
saying, right, do you like this or not?
53:28
Yeah, and some people said yes. A more people said yes the no
53:34
but the biggest bulk about 80% said, I'm ambivalent and he took
53:40
that as a success. I was like again with like you
53:46
know this is repeating a bit of the pandorica.
53:48
I think the issue with Revell flesh almost people is that it's
53:50
repeating The Silo into bar to that just went before.
53:53
It's the exact same story but with worst monsters fucking
53:57
boring as well. But it but it is it's about you
54:00
know that coming or Great fabulous, countdown, 100 120,
54:06
it's low. Its may I say everybody, please
54:09
go and find Luke's countdown on Lou.
54:12
Will you put a link in when I yet, please do it is one of the
54:16
most. Now, you shut up for a second is
54:19
one of the most well, considered critiques of the new series that
54:24
I have read with you. Look at things in surprising
54:28
ways, and you make me think about episodes in ways that I
54:31
would. Normally I think it's fabulous.
54:33
Go read it everybody. Thank you.
54:36
Yeah, I did. He spend time at showing find a
54:38
different angle but not one word like sacrifice and the honesty
54:42
of myself whilst also tried to cover the good bits.
54:46
But yeah, it takes ages to I'm going to be so proud of it when
54:49
it's done. I stay.
54:51
It feels like I'm getting close now because like I'm near 50 but
54:54
actually it still say long to go.
54:56
It's an episode was at the time of children now, Battle of an
54:59
Scott Raab. No, no.
55:01
Because I see, Just did Capaldi to Accent apology because I
55:06
thought, I don't want to spend time writing about things that I
55:09
don't particularly enjoy nothing that and that's, that's, that's
55:13
an unpleasant decision actually. Yeah.
55:16
Otherwise, because the first couple of Articles were just
55:18
turn their phone off with me going.
55:20
Like, I don't like it. Come, baby.
55:21
Oh my God. Look at Karen gillan's face.
55:23
Yes, they will. I mean, fucking absurd and she
55:27
sells it. It's too good.
55:30
This is why she's gone on to have a I said, movie career, you
55:33
know, she might be in blue latex or whatever she's wearing, but
55:38
yeah, no, she's in the big bucks now.
55:40
She's brilliant and it's, although I don't like
55:43
particularly like or like love Rory, this episode I do like
55:47
watching them grow. So by the time he leaves I
55:50
really like you. Yes, I think after will has that
55:54
effortlessly sort of likable. Yes.
55:57
Acting like I just can't not enjoy it when it's not the
56:01
screen. I really haven't told my food.
56:04
I really wanted a doctor named. He just them together at the
56:07
beginning and by the end you just can't imagine it without
56:10
worrying. That I always forget, Shacks
56:13
dies here. You know what occurs here?
56:16
How does he like a mini episode? A two-minute mini-episode.
56:24
I just see do this second though.
56:26
I don't know. I don't know what I've been
56:28
asking that question for ages. And you know what else, what do
56:32
you killed, all those good. And then she was Again.
56:35
Yeah, you know that one pisses me off more because that was
56:38
such a shocking moment of saying, oh my God made us never
56:42
scarier than that moment now. And it made me see so scary and
56:45
let's be honest we never needed seals because again so it was
56:48
perfect and then suddenly there was to ever know, we did notice
56:53
it also quit again because the thought of Jemma Redgrave
56:55
spearhead in those units, SI is some ambulance, te Kyle, tell
57:00
you, how is she back every like Doctor Who fan that I have
57:03
respect for? For we all say the same thing
57:06
that she's so dull you have respect for me.
57:11
I do. There's no way you're going to
57:13
turn around so she's good. Now although I think I'm under a
57:16
of the Dockside, you know why? That one point, she showed an
57:19
emotion, she screamed her head off, she just the same thing in
57:21
everything, she's just there. You know what, right?
57:25
I've got this scary feeling that Billy Gibson is going to turn
57:29
out, isn't it? It's awesome.
57:30
Yeah, that's Russell T. Davies thing you can possibly
57:34
do, isn't it? It's the first Russell T.
57:36
Davies decision in like the the year that he's been rebate we
57:40
build a new that I thought. Yes, sure.
57:43
I'll tell you what is anyone can make it work?
57:45
Well, it's true. Yeah yeah he could make Jodie
57:47
Whittaker works. Well well well she's back for
57:51
the special you'll see that I will be staying.
57:54
She's backstage after the even though I love dirty bits.
57:58
That um, apologetically he'll be back in some form of it at some
58:03
point. She is pure sunshine just like
58:06
leave it was about to expire right now.
58:08
If Colin Baker can turn off, he is player.
58:12
I have no doubt of Jody. You like me?
58:14
I'll is she came in my pants? When called it was my gun for
58:17
me? Because I've heard that voice of
58:22
big finish in my ears for years. And then suddenly he was the
58:26
joke as well. Why are you wearing that?
58:28
Yeah, I don't do robes. Yeah, marvelous up to know what
58:34
man if I did because he's dropped about the spin-offs if
58:37
they don't do in a Top Spin Off. They are missing a trick.
58:41
It's a weird one though, isn't it?
58:42
Like do you do a spin-off Werther's?
58:44
Adopt, another doctor at the same time you could argue.
58:47
No because it overshadows or, yes, because we've always had
58:50
doctors going at the same time. Spin-off done you in tell me you
58:53
wouldn't be here. Hot Jazz.
58:55
I was about, mr. What is what we all like?
58:57
Cynthia? Isn't it actually, you know
59:03
what, right? I know what time is it now
59:04
whirring? Oh yeah.
59:05
We're an alien now and this pit in a minute, right?
59:08
Where he figures out who she is. Yeah, I've just bitten me.
59:12
You know, it's hardly like them the hardest cryptic clue ever
59:16
but his performance when he goes all giggly like a child and I'm
59:19
like yes that's that serious. 5dr back again for a second.
59:23
Yeah. Yeah, it definitely is this.
59:26
We can't underestimate how big this felt the time I honestly
59:31
it's doesn't seem that big anymore and I think that's the
59:34
fault of surgery six now in retrospect, but at the time this
59:39
Revelation that melody was your that was enormous and it was
59:42
what everyone was waiting for. I don't think it was like sort
59:45
of water cooler. Like rose going in doomsday was.
59:49
But in Stockton the circles, I think it was, that's a no, you
59:53
know, people. I still watched it was it was
59:55
after this episode were telling, I said, I thought, let's kill
59:59
Hitler was a point where the right in the Stars, take a
1:00:01
little bit of a dog it. Well, I think it was the stupid
1:00:05
decision on the BBC's part and it was Steven Moffat because he
1:00:07
wanted to bring our whole season.
1:00:09
Yes, seasons and you can have, it would have been so different
1:00:13
because this would have been a coherent two parts.
1:00:16
I'd imagine and well, and you've probably got, let's kill Hitler.
1:00:21
Yeah, you're kind about the writing there.
1:00:24
Yeah, I see the point. Yeah.
1:00:27
Yeah no but I think what's weird in here is all the acting as
1:00:32
suddenly brought down to a recognizable e you know
1:00:35
emotional level and I'm suddenly loving all the characters.
1:00:39
Yeah I mean I don't Mafia doesn't get the credit for her
1:00:42
Goods years. Emotional writing or a motive,
1:00:44
right? It's always like always clever
1:00:47
and he's this and he's that but some of them like emotional
1:00:50
moments either hit or make you cry.
1:00:52
It wasn't here. But I do know what I tell me if
1:00:56
I'm wrong. I think Think Rusty Davis hits
1:00:58
more than misses, ya think Moffat can hit and miss.
1:01:04
I so I think personally that will see day was always goes in
1:01:09
to make the best TV show was Moffat.
1:01:12
Always goes in to make the best Doctor Who and and that's the
1:01:15
key right seat. See, this is why you should
1:01:18
reasons, countdown people. That's a great thought.
1:01:20
That's the key difference, and that's where Moffat can slip up,
1:01:23
and it gets a bit too, like gritty or because he's trying it
1:01:28
purely for the people who were dialed watching it.
1:01:30
I think what happened is is The Matt Smith ehre, tell me about
1:01:36
way off base here. The mass media is basically like
1:01:40
John nathan-turner coming in season. 18, right fresh, bold
1:01:43
stylish. New Doctor Who.
1:01:45
And there's a bit of a difference between a life of our
1:01:47
The Ledger hives. It go go with my energy and then
1:01:51
we go into the late 80s and we're going into Capaldi's here
1:01:54
and is suddenly very continuity heavy.
1:01:57
The doctors. Colin Baker is a bit grumpy and
1:01:59
unlikable and violent. And people started to No.
1:02:04
Well, guess what? It got continuity heavy, the
1:02:07
doctor called grumpy, and people started turning off.
1:02:10
It's very weird how much modern who follows the pattern.
1:02:15
So you have Tom Baker, David Tennant as the big popular
1:02:18
doctor and he got the young Peter Davison, Matt Smith who
1:02:22
starts off really fresh and Everyone likes it and then it
1:02:24
gets a bit more thing. And then you've got the
1:02:26
anniversary and then as you say you have your grumpy, Colin
1:02:29
Baker, Peter Capaldi continuity, heavy bringing back almost In
1:02:33
which only, which constrains the Koi.
1:02:35
No. And then you get Jody with the
1:02:36
fresh season. 24, season 11. Then season, 25 season 12, you
1:02:41
got the doctors mystery backstory, Bubba and then even,
1:02:44
yeah, revolution of the Daleks is, you know, they bring back
1:02:48
the Brigadier, the bring back Captain jacket follows, a very
1:02:51
similar pattern off until about flux.
1:02:54
And then and, you know, it rooms that are believed to be
1:02:56
believed, might have got canceled, and then history is
1:02:59
finally going on. It's a new track with Russell T
1:03:02
coming. Russell Davis is now got a wave
1:03:05
himself. He's basically it's as if
1:03:08
Hinchcliffe came back in 89 to would pull my gun.
1:03:13
Oh my God, I love that. Have you not heard foe from the
1:03:18
future and the Ghost of growl steadied?
1:03:19
Still at it? You know, I'm not on the list,
1:03:24
here we go. Now, the music is the music.
1:03:28
Yeah, this is Think I'd say want to say that mommy, gold did his
1:03:36
best stuff in the early, Matt Smith here because there's so
1:03:40
much good stuff in the days. He did.
1:03:43
The series 5 soundtrack into Series 6.
1:03:51
The only thing I've ever learned on a piano, you know.
1:03:53
Oh, yeah. It's you can just go up and
1:03:54
down, it goes. Back in, let's kill Hitler.
1:04:08
Well, all of us at Chris's house just started pissing ourselves.
1:04:12
We just couldn't stop laughing. Yes, I rather enjoyed watching
1:04:17
that were you, I know it's we always do this.
1:04:19
We never talked about it during the first half of what we do
1:04:24
quite well focusing. Yes, a few times you were like,
1:04:28
okay, so this is what's happening on the screen and then
1:04:30
we just went way off piste. Yeah.
1:04:32
Like it's great, scoffs decent you get.
1:04:34
It's what you truly want to talk about it.
1:04:36
Do you remember as well? Sorry, lasting when the episode
1:04:39
ended in the credits went there was just that little flash of a
1:04:43
skeleton under the ground with a sonic screwdriver in his hand.
1:04:47
Do you remember this? No.
1:04:49
Yeah. So the credits finished and then
1:04:51
there was just a little like it was implied to be the doctors
1:04:55
skeleton in the ground and the Sonic Screwdriver is little fin.
1:04:58
It's like because the doctors meant to be death and it was
1:05:01
getting was going to come back and Three months time.
1:05:03
And I always found out that creepy.
1:05:06
Oh, yeah. Well, you've just identified
1:05:08
another problem. I've got with Serious Six, you
1:05:10
know what? The doctors alive?
1:05:14
That's me. So yeah.
1:05:14
No, no, it's there is this point.
1:05:21
I just think there's too much focus on the doctor, and I know
1:05:24
that's the angle the new series took, but I was very refreshed
1:05:28
in series 11. When the show just started
1:05:31
telling stories again and stop being about the fucking doctor
1:05:35
all the time. Because, like, how, well, Are
1:05:36
you going to tell us about this guy?
1:05:38
What you have to do is you have to make it bigger and bigger at
1:05:41
fruit? So I am.
1:05:42
And it's like, what is a series? What is it in Series?
1:05:45
6 dr. Doctors going to die, you know,
1:05:48
and he's got a faces, you know, existential quandary of dying.
1:05:51
And then in series 7 the doctors going to die.
1:05:57
It's it's what Moffitt was interested in the story of the
1:06:00
doctor over the story, the companion and I think as a as a
1:06:04
fan at that age, A where you start to delve into things that
1:06:09
that really appeals to me. And now I've got the Nostalgia
1:06:11
for it and now like they're the ones are love going back to.
1:06:14
What should I do? I find it.
1:06:16
That could be my Max, all those doctor, stories night day time,
1:06:23
and all that. Not, you know, that that should
1:06:24
have been where that sort of was that was culminated there.
1:06:27
Yeah. But then called you came along
1:06:29
with a great fresh start and he's they're sitting in the
1:06:31
toilets. Go.
1:06:32
Oh my oh good man. Clara.
1:06:34
All right. Art box.
1:06:35
Well so So the but the one I fired the bit unforgivable is
1:06:39
the series 91, were it starts in the witch's familiar?
1:06:43
And he's got some professionals about to this day, you know?
1:06:46
Well he's got his confession dial, he's like I'm gonna die
1:06:49
and this is my last confession and at that point it's like I'll
1:06:52
fucking cum on like fine know what the hybrid is.
1:06:57
What's the doctor and Clara jiving each other to extremes
1:07:00
that will destroy the universe? It's terrible, but you love it.
1:07:14
That's one though that I despised on initial viewing and
1:07:20
now that I watch it and I like it more and more that it feels
1:07:23
like it's a nice feeling that I'm liking something that I
1:07:27
didn't in the past. I just don't know how we
1:07:30
possibly went from. You know, when a truck died?
1:07:33
Yeah. And the doctor wait, I'll well,
1:07:36
it's or how sad, but people die. Let's go to the greatest
1:07:39
exhibition. Come on to, I'm going to tear
1:07:43
down the entire universe to bring back Clara.
1:07:47
Clara is a bit different for me but you could argue.
1:07:52
She's had a bigger impact on his life.
1:07:54
She was there on the last day of the time War she was there under
1:07:56
his bed she is I respect all the different things that Moffat try
1:08:02
Did try a lot of things and he went in a lot of unusual and it
1:08:04
was always interested. Even if we kicked off, we kicked
1:08:09
off because it was interested. Can you acknowledge that that
1:08:12
just might not be for some people all of this I'll guard?
1:08:16
Yeah, but I think that haste trionic.
1:08:18
Dram are these crazy arcs that I think that was a somewhat
1:08:22
unsatisfying Arc. Since I'll always it's
1:08:25
definitely like, my point of before, is that?
1:08:28
It is a lot more funds. He likes because he likes
1:08:31
delving into To the doctor and like that fannish side of
1:08:35
things. And yeah, the view figures took
1:08:37
a tumble and even by the time series 10 came along and he and
1:08:41
he just ignored it just to refresh to slay.
1:08:43
A lot of people had already gone and you can get them back.
1:08:46
Well, suppose, the question is should be should Doctor Who be
1:08:49
for the fans or should it be for everyone?
1:08:52
So I in my blog I wish I had a big discussion about this in
1:08:56
about the Shakespeare code because the Shakespeare code I
1:08:59
think is so accessible. Yeah, it's her.
1:09:02
A but also its it doesn't like light lit every Cinder in my
1:09:08
mind. It's not it's not something that
1:09:10
I think about all the time. It's just a bit of Doctor Who I
1:09:13
so like yeah, that is the Dilemma is why I think it's the
1:09:17
makes open its that's so accessible.
1:09:20
And so like appealing to everyone and it's the biggest
1:09:23
show ever, or do you want your show to do something a bit more
1:09:28
experimental than unique and it's chance.
1:09:30
Get that balance because Better examples of accessory.
1:09:33
I think unicorn and the WASP is very accessible to the general.
1:09:38
They laptop because rate and started climbing in for when
1:09:41
that hit a good went back out to sort of eight million again
1:09:44
midseason and that never happens because people will Doctor Who's
1:09:48
doing Agatha Christie with Catherine, Tate amazing.
1:09:51
I'm going to watch it so you can do it, you can.
1:09:54
But you'd never get the weirds of parts of say you can get and
1:09:59
you might you're going to pull faces and be like, oh, I don't
1:10:02
What very right. But you wouldn't get your
1:10:03
extremist has or like your lessons or or even like Time of
1:10:09
the Doctor which, you know, just offer different interesting
1:10:13
unique things. I don't think you get any of
1:10:14
them under the accessibility RTD Banner.
1:10:18
I'll have, you know, I think extremist is brilliant.
1:10:24
Okay? No, no, no, no.
1:10:27
All right, you never know, you never know.
1:10:34
And I do think that he went to some very dark places were in
1:10:39
advisable book, really interesting.
1:10:41
You know, don't cremate me the Afghanistan sequences again.
1:10:46
I don't know if it's appropriate for the dogs who audience with
1:10:48
kids there, but I do think it was really bold to do it.
1:10:52
He did this fucking Arc which was in advisable and sprawling
1:10:57
and probably unsuccessful. But boy he he took Showing like
1:11:03
really an exciting place. You never came away from this
1:11:06
art feeling like it was unsuccessful.
1:11:08
It is messy. No, no.
1:11:10
Don't get me wrong, it's messy. And it doesn't work when you
1:11:15
think about it, but I think the show was still quite big and it
1:11:18
was American and like, people talk about with a song.
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I don't think you ever thought that was unsuccessful as a
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series of Television. It works.
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Maybe it's like from story to point of view, it really
1:11:29
doesn't. It doesn't really make any
1:11:32
sense. Sort of sense.
1:11:33
But well talking about Doctor Who do makes no sense
1:11:36
whatsoever. Should we go and watch?
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Let's Go. Hitler.
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Yeah. Do we do like three things?
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We liked always saving that all for the other mocking me.
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Well, yes anyway you can bugger someone Ali.
1:11:50
Yeah. Okay.
1:11:51
Well if you go the first one is Colonel runaway scene.
1:11:57
You might not like the explosive anger but I just think it's Say
1:12:02
good. And then an episode where I
1:12:03
found sort of shooting each other or talking about war.
1:12:06
There's just a different way of destroying someone in the, which
1:12:11
is brilliant and perform, so good.
1:12:13
I think Madame, kovarian is Camp and wonderful.
1:12:18
And I like Frances, Bob as performers, I wish there was
1:12:21
more to. I wish we learn more but I find
1:12:24
a really fun in the Seas. So yeah, that's my first one.
1:12:28
Cool. The paternoster gang, the
1:12:31
introduction of the I'm what an idea.
1:12:33
It's funny because I'm not really a gang are because like
1:12:36
it's not like structs is really interact with them and vaster is
1:12:39
very serious and more of a silo in than she probably will be,
1:12:45
but inspired idea that when the sort of retooled to come back in
1:12:49
the Snowman, just set up to be a comedy.
1:12:51
Little Trio that are brilliant and like it takes it took balls
1:12:57
to basically take the sontarans and make them into such a comedy
1:13:00
character. So, And it looking at what works
1:13:04
here, I think and saying I can do that without.
1:13:07
Yeah, he's off. So yeah, I'm going to say the,
1:13:12
it's a bit obvious, but the production value in this because
1:13:14
I do think Moffat asked a lot, because we go to Victorian
1:13:18
London, we go to a battlefield. We go to like a bar in outer
1:13:22
space. We got like, we go to dorian's
1:13:24
place. We go to Demons, Run, and
1:13:26
they're all realize, really, really well.
1:13:29
So, I think that this one time director, Whose name I've
1:13:32
already forgotten. As she does a pretty decent job
1:13:36
of putting this all on the screen.
1:13:39
Yeah. Can't remember either I don't
1:13:42
think the director for this all let's kill Hitler were around
1:13:45
very long. I'd have in the market for let's
1:13:47
go Hitler did another episode but they're not they're not
1:13:50
names that I have in my head that stick out.
1:13:54
I'm a third one would be how it how exciting it is.
1:13:59
Such how exciting it was at the time.
1:14:02
The Revelation that Melody Pond was River Song and this builds
1:14:06
up over seven weeks and where the story was going to go, not
1:14:11
that it necessarily goes in any sort of great Direction, but the
1:14:14
fact that like you, it gets in that Tardis at the end and you
1:14:17
have no idea what is coming next apart from that goofy title.
1:14:22
So it was just, it was a really exciting time, maybe not for
1:14:26
everyone, but to be the fun that I was, it was a really exciting
1:14:30
time. My third thing is going to be
1:14:34
after a half season of generally uninspiring, characterization of
1:14:39
all three of the regulars. For various reasons, the moment
1:14:44
where they are all together for the first time, technically,
1:14:48
because maybe chips out in the impossible planet or day on the
1:14:51
moon, doesn't she? Yeah, it's just wonderful.
1:14:55
And that sequence there where they come together and they're
1:14:59
being cute and a bit shy. And awkward and funny.
1:15:03
And you can see all the Chemistry Between the lead,
1:15:06
that's what he takes in series 7 a, which I still think is the
1:15:10
best run of Mafia episodes, because there is a little less
1:15:17
safe if that you have no, that's why they're less our key.
1:15:20
That's why because they're kind of fun, that's why.
1:15:25
But he takes that, that that scene, I think as a template for
1:15:29
just sort of how Sweet and lovely.
1:15:33
This time it's done over five episodes of letting them go in
1:15:36
series 7, B. It's wonderful.
1:15:38
I think their chemistry is terrific.
1:15:40
We don't get enough of it but it isn't.
1:15:43
Yeah, I agree. Well, I wouldn't do this with
1:15:49
anybody else. Unless kill Hitler, I've got a
1:15:54
gun. You've got time machine.
1:15:56
What the hell? I've got a cupboard.