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Husband 'fake cries' in 911 call, but he's now charged with wife's murder · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: they found that she was semi conscious in the in
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Speaker 1: Lord and the department, police, department, justice is going to
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Speaker 1: be How did a beautiful young mom slip in the
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Speaker 1: shower found dead all of a sudden? You know, why
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Speaker 1: do I keep hearing of women? It's always a woman
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Speaker 1: who quote slips in the shower and it's dead. I
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Speaker 1: Meanancy Graces. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us with me. Kenya Johnson, Atlanta Prosecutor, Karen Stark,
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Speaker 1: renowned New York psychologist, Joseph Scott Morgan forensics expert, Professor
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Speaker 1: Forensics at Jacksona State University and author of Blood Beneath
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Speaker 1: My Feet. Dr Michelle Duprie, medical examiner, joining us out
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Speaker 1: of the South Carolina jurisdiction and author of Field Guy
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Speaker 1: to Homicide, Investigate Nations with me veteran defense attorney out
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Speaker 1: of Atlanta, Eric Johnson, and Crime online dot Com investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter Robin Wilinsky, author of Beautiful Life c S I
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Speaker 1: Behind the Casey Anthony Trial. Let's start with Robin Willinsky.
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Speaker 1: What do we know about yet another woman who slips
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Speaker 1: and falls and dies in the shower? And I was
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Speaker 1: saying that with air quotes, Robin, Well, the wife, Shanty
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Speaker 1: is thirty nine years old. She had only been married
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Speaker 1: to the guy for a year, and they met on
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Speaker 1: match dot com. And she had this very successful consulting
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Speaker 1: business and apparently was paying for lots of stuff from
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Speaker 1: the money that she earned. Now, what can you tell
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Speaker 1: me about the baby? She had a little boy? Where
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Speaker 1: is he from a previous relationship or is he from
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Speaker 1: that marriage? The eight year old boy is from a
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Speaker 1: previous relationship, had nothing to do with her current husband.
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Speaker 1: Dr Michelle Dupree joining us. Dr Dupree, When someone falls
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Speaker 1: slip and falls in the shower, what would you expect
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Speaker 1: the autopsy to show, Nancy? I would expect several things.
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Speaker 1: One I would expect that they tried to brace themselves
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Speaker 1: someway when they fell. I would also expect that person
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Speaker 1: to be wet um and there would be splash marks
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Speaker 1: or something around the bathroom where the body was found.
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Speaker 1: And I would expect injuries that were consistent with somebody
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Speaker 1: having fallen. And when you say injuries consistent with someone
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Speaker 1: having fallen, what would that be? It would be things
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Speaker 1: like most of our extremities would be injured. Um, perhaps
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Speaker 1: a head injury, but even in the head injury, we
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Speaker 1: would look for a fracture or something that again it's
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Speaker 1: consistent with falling, not with black force trauma, So no
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Speaker 1: depressed fractures for example. Interesting Interesting to Joseph's got Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor forensics and death investigator, what do you think having
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Speaker 1: looked at the autopsy, having looked at what happened to
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Speaker 1: Shanty troonas, what do you see in her autopsy report? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Nancy uh as Dr dupri was mentioning, there are certain
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Speaker 1: things that you want to look for at the sea
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Speaker 1: consistent with a single strike, essentially as if you're falling.
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Speaker 1: Keeping mind. Showers many times, not all the time, but
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Speaker 1: many times have very smooth surfaces and you have to
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Speaker 1: find those areas that would be consistent with the injury
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Speaker 1: that the individual would have on their head. I would
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Speaker 1: not be looking. I would not expect to find things like, say,
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Speaker 1: for instance, marks around the neck that would be consistent
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Speaker 1: with I don't know, some kind of asphyxial death like
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Speaker 1: a strangulation, uh and or something using the ligature. Uh.
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Speaker 1: So I would look for that single thing. If somebody
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Speaker 1: is putting forth this story that she fell in the shower,
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Speaker 1: you're not gonna have like multiple head strikes and you're
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Speaker 1: not gonna have injuries to the neck. Well, when we
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Speaker 1: say ligature strangulation, that opens up a whole Pandora's box
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Speaker 1: of evidence. You know what, I keep thinking about Two
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark New York psychologists joining us today. The former
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Speaker 1: police officer Drew Peterson, who, of course most recent wife,
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Speaker 1: Stacy P. Ederson, went missing. Her body has never been found.
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Speaker 1: But it was just a couple of weeks after her
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Speaker 1: going missing that he was trying to give away her
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Speaker 1: lingerie and for a coach to other women. So I
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Speaker 1: don't think he expected her to walk in the front door.
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Speaker 1: But the other wife he had I think four wives
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Speaker 1: and all but remember Kathleen Savio was found dead from
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Speaker 1: a fall in a bathtub and apparently drowned in a
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Speaker 1: bone dry bathtub. Isn't that odd? Karen start and how
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Speaker 1: similar to this story Nancy? I was thinking of the
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Speaker 1: same things because she this this person that fell in
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Speaker 1: the showers postly was also found dry. And um so
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Speaker 1: was the husband who was told allegedly that he had
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Speaker 1: pulled her out of the shower. So this person who
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Speaker 1: was taking the shower, who should have been stoke with
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Speaker 1: whose clothes should have been soaking, with any any cowels
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Speaker 1: around her, anything associated with her, she was dry. The
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Speaker 1: shower was dry, and he was dry. You know, there's
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Speaker 1: just so many women that have died in the shower.
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Speaker 1: I assume you guys all remember the case of doctor
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Speaker 1: Martin McNeill. Do you remember that he married this beautiful
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Speaker 1: model and had children with her, absolutely gorgeous Michelle McNeil
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Speaker 1: was also found dead in the bathtub. It's quite the phenomena,
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Speaker 1: Robin will skimming off the top of my head. I'm
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Speaker 1: naming one after the next, and there's so many more
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Speaker 1: I could just name right now, all these women dead
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Speaker 1: in the bathtub. What's with that it's this insane excuse.
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Speaker 1: I have to tell you, Nancy, that I was actually
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Speaker 1: there in Illinois at the cemetery the day that they
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Speaker 1: dug up Kathleen Savio's body for the second examination with
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Speaker 1: Dr BO and I believe if memory serves correct, and
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Speaker 1: it was a crazy case in Illinois, and this is
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Speaker 1: a crazy case in Orlando. But you know, you can
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Speaker 1: kind of make you wonder, was this guy looking at
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Speaker 1: that case with Drew Peterson. Is this where he got
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Speaker 1: the idea or is it just something he came up
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Speaker 1: with in the middle of the night at three o'clock
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Speaker 1: in the morning, Nancy Champian, One of the things I'm
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Speaker 1: thinking about relative to the connection between showers and these
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Speaker 1: kinds of deaths like this, is that I think that
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Speaker 1: a lot of these perpetrators, much like Jodi Arias did
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Speaker 1: with Travis Alexander, is this idea of maybe containing evidence
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Speaker 1: or washing evidence away. And as we uh certainly know,
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Speaker 1: this doesn't always happen, does it. There's always some kind
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Speaker 1: of trace that's left behind of what they've had facilitated.
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Speaker 1: You know. Apparently what we're looking at now, the injuries
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Speaker 1: to her body, and I'm talking about Shanty Troona is
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Speaker 1: killed in the upscale Delaney Park area. She died from
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Speaker 1: head trauma and rerangulation. That is no fault. So Eric Johnson,
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Speaker 1: Atlanta defense Attorney, cops are going to be looking for somebody.
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Speaker 1: This is no fault. You don't get literature marks or
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Speaker 1: manual strangulation, indit ya from falling in the bathtub. Eric Johnson, Well,
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Speaker 1: that is true. I mean that is something that he's
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Speaker 1: going to have to explain and if as his defense attorney,
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Speaker 1: I would be trying to figure out what would be
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Speaker 1: his explanation for any marks around our next Now, while
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Speaker 1: they may say that there's some form of literature strangulation,
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Speaker 1: is it going to be manual? Is it going to
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Speaker 1: be with some type of item? Therefore, the police are
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Speaker 1: going to have to try to identify that item, and
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Speaker 1: if they're not able to do so, then that possibly
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Speaker 1: could create some doubt and relates to that particular cause
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Speaker 1: of death. But I mean, depending on what his story
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Speaker 1: is at the particular time he's done it, and from
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Speaker 1: what I've seen, he has not performed well under investigation
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Speaker 1: about the officers, that might be something that is going
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Speaker 1: to leave a lot of take away credibility from his
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Speaker 1: story to Kenya Johnson, Atlanta prosecutor. Let me ask you this, Kenya,
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Speaker 1: when you first hear of a case of a woman
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Speaker 1: dead in the tub and you see trauma to the head,
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Speaker 1: what would make someone order an autopsy? Well, anytime there
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Speaker 1: has been some sort of manipulation or even the doubt
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Speaker 1: that natural causes may not have been the cause of death,
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Speaker 1: developing the cause of death and ultimately the theory and
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Speaker 1: uh and then on down the line from motives and me.
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Speaker 1: You know what's so amazing in this case is when
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Speaker 1: Shanty Troonis was found. You know, she's naked, she's dead
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Speaker 1: in the bathtub, splash little water around, you see injury
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Speaker 1: to the head. What's really amazing is that anyone even
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Speaker 1: Something we need to exaggerate. There made great and had
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Speaker 1: you walked in and told the truth several hours ago,
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Speaker 1: we'd be done by now we haven't heard it. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So forgive us for grasping and straws and maybe trying
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Speaker 1: to choose and maybe trying to choose things that that
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Speaker 1: mean nothing. And I think we're kind of grasping straws
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Speaker 1: because we're not hearing damn. I mean, you can walk
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Speaker 1: in and we this can save fifteen minutes and you
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Speaker 1: just gotta say screwed up and made a mistake and
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Speaker 1: this is what happened. But we have not heard that
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Speaker 1: from you in a very long time. And that's where
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Speaker 1: we keep going over it and over your past statements
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Speaker 1: and or everything you've told us, because there's sliver truth
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Speaker 1: and why you've said tonight, sliver truth and all of it.
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Speaker 1: So men who were maybe we're hitting on that making
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Speaker 1: it a big deal and it's not a big deal,
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Speaker 1: but we're missing it was extremely Maybe maybe it was
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Speaker 1: extremely stressful to walk in and see your wife in
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Speaker 1: that condition. And if I miscalculated marginally the amount of
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Speaker 1: water that was there, she was certainly went. She was certainly.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why you have been shocked seeing that
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Speaker 1: when you knew she was to cease before you, she didn't.
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Speaker 1: She didn't stick her foot in the shower and slip.
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Speaker 1: I didn't happen she did, she felt backwards and didn't
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Speaker 1: find her. Three o'clock didn't didn't happen. You don't know that.
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Speaker 1: Common sense would tell you if you pull a woman
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Speaker 1: soaking went out of the tub at three o'clock and
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Speaker 1: call the police within six minutes and then everything will
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Speaker 1: be soaking wet when the police arrived within three minutes
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Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, that's common sense. So how did everything drive?
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Speaker 1: That's our question, because she was a lot of three o'clock.
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Speaker 1: It didn't happen. What we know is that the husband,
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Speaker 1: David Trona's called nine one one and says he came
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Speaker 1: home and found his wife Shanty, unresponsive and not breathing
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Speaker 1: in a wet bathtub. It was then determined, from what
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Speaker 1: I can tell in the interrogation, that he had found
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Speaker 1: her and left and then called nine one one Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. That certainly puts a different light on his
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Speaker 1: nine one one call. Yeah, it does. And the fact
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Speaker 1: that you know when when the police showed up, uh,
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Speaker 1: the she's the interviewer is actually referring to, Uh, it
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Speaker 1: was dry, it was dry, and so it doesn't it
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Speaker 1: doesn't marry up. And then did you hear did you
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Speaker 1: hear his surprise in his voice. He actually threw a
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Speaker 1: question back at them, Well how did that happen? And
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Speaker 1: she says that's what we're trying to get to. Uh
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Speaker 1: you know, Oh what a tangled web we weave. Huh.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen falling up on exactly what Joseph's got
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Speaker 1: more than just pointed out about the water. Listen to
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Speaker 1: the husband as he tries to explain it. This vs.
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Speaker 1: About three o'clock and tubbs and it's crap. It's crap.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's crap. It's a crappy story. I appreciate. Then,
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Speaker 1: Thieves said, continuing m considerations. H I don't know what
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Speaker 1: it's considering the truth? UM, I feel like everything that
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Speaker 1: I have some and I know you don you're telling
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Speaker 1: me of mhm. The things that you call discripances to
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Speaker 1: still very true and are, if not perfectly I could
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Speaker 1: have directionally correct, if not perfectly accurate, directionally correct. Do
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Speaker 1: you get you You're talking about things like evaporation, right,
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Speaker 1: and how what something was? Um? If I miscalculated how
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Speaker 1: what directionally correctly? I no, I know what that means.
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Speaker 1: It's just doesn't mean anything in this context. Okay, it
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Speaker 1: only seems to be one thing, um, and I don't
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Speaker 1: have that for you. I don't have the information. You
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Speaker 1: don't have the truth. Detective Teresa Spray continues to question
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Speaker 1: the husband, David Tronas straight out to Eric Johnson, Atlanta
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Speaker 1: defense attorney, sure sounds calm, cool and collected to just
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Speaker 1: found his wife beaten to a bloody pulp in the bathtub. Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean, this state of mind is something in this
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Speaker 1: condition during the interrogation is definitely something the officer is
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Speaker 1: gonna look at. I mean, however, how shocked and how
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Speaker 1: tragic situations affect people, you know, can be different from
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Speaker 1: person to person. So just because he was not animated
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Speaker 1: as one might think in the circumstances, you know, I,
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Speaker 1: as a defense attorney, I would say that he was
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Speaker 1: in the form of state of shock based on seeing
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Speaker 1: such a tragic experience, and that was why he was
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Speaker 1: not really able to process what was going on at
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Speaker 1: the present time. So therefore, any statements that he may
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Speaker 1: have made to the police need to be taken into
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Speaker 1: that light and consideration. A state of shock. That's interesting,
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Speaker 1: a state of shock, because I would think to Kenny Johnson,
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Speaker 1: Atlanta prosecutor, that in a a of shocked, you wouldn't
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Speaker 1: be able to talk about your miscalculations and your directionally
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Speaker 1: correct calculations and quite miscalculating evaporation and directional details. He
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Speaker 1: doesn't sound like he said shocked. To me, it sounds
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Speaker 1: like he's trying to come up with a story shock Schmarck.
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Speaker 1: It just seems as if he's been very calculated in
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Speaker 1: what it can be, possibly some sort of mitigating or alibi,
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Speaker 1: or he's just trying to uh involved, minimize his involvement
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Speaker 1: and come up with an explanation very early on. You know,
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Speaker 1: when this case comes to a jury, uh, it is
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Speaker 1: nothing like seeings the descendants speak for himself. So unless
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Speaker 1: the judge finds that the interrogation video was coercive, it's
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Speaker 1: likely going to be admitted. And when the jury can
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Speaker 1: actually see his crocodile's tears here, his slow calculating uh speech,
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Speaker 1: they can then look at his credibility and pretty much
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Speaker 1: it's almost even better than if he took the stand
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Speaker 1: to deny it, because they see how he responded close
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Speaker 1: in time to the incident, and that's usually when all
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Speaker 1: the deceptions is that it's high. Dr Michelle Dupree, renowned
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Speaker 1: pathologists out of South Carolina and author of Field Guide
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Speaker 1: to Homicide Investigation. She literally wrote the book, Dr Dupree,
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Speaker 1: how do you tell between a ligature and a manual
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Speaker 1: strangulation on a victim's throat by just looking at it?
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Speaker 1: There's usually gonna be bruises, and the bruises of a
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Speaker 1: ligature triangulation are going to be spinned or or if
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Speaker 1: they could be actually why depending on what that ligature was,
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Speaker 1: there will be a pattern injury. If it's manual strangulation,
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Speaker 1: there may or may not be bruises on the surface
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Speaker 1: of the net. Yes, so there will be some front images.
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Speaker 1: The key thing is actually when you do a dissection
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Speaker 1: of the net and find the internal hemorrhage. Well, Detective
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Speaker 1: Teresa Sprague is not giving up. Listen, you think you
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Speaker 1: thought of everything, but she didn't. I don't think I
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Speaker 1: thought everything, and interest I've telled you over and over,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. You do know you have to stop
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Speaker 1: saying you doing not because you do. No. You do know.
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Speaker 1: stops here dot com. A beautiful young mom found dead
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Speaker 1: apparently slipped and fell in the tub. You know, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna knock on wood because so far I have never
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Speaker 1: once slipped and fallen in the tub, not even once.
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Speaker 1: It's a matter of fact, I don't think my eighties
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Speaker 1: seven year old mother has either. But this young woman
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Speaker 1: Shanty slipped and died in the family bathtub. The husband
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Speaker 1: finds her. Now we are digging into their relationship because
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Speaker 1: all you guys listening, just go ahead and brace yourself.
22:15
Speaker 1: You're the first suspect. Sorry, but that's just statistically true.
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Speaker 1: Am I wrong? Joseph Scott Morgan, No, You're absolutely right, Nancy.
22:22
Speaker 1: If listen, more homicides, more homicide. Contrary to what people think,
22:27
Speaker 1: more homicides occur between intimates those people you're You're a
22:31
Speaker 1: bigger risk, uh, with the person that you're laying in
22:35
Speaker 1: bed next to than some stranger coming out of a
22:37
Speaker 1: dark alley and killing you. You know that gives me
22:39
Speaker 1: something think about tonight when I fall asleep. Joe Scott. Thanks.
22:42
Speaker 1: My point is, brace yourself. Guys. If a girlfriend, a wife,
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Speaker 1: a fiance, and X even pops up dead, cops are
22:51
Speaker 1: looking at you, so naturally we are digging into their past.
22:57
Speaker 1: You know what. You know what I hate. I hate
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Speaker 1: a guy that pretends he's rich and then won't pay
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Speaker 1: for anything. This guy put on like a millionaire, but
23:06
Speaker 1: guess what, they go the grocery store and he wouldn't
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Speaker 1: pay for the groceries. Listen to this questions surrounded their relationship.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever had any reason that their marriage was
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Speaker 1: on the rocks or was having trouble? Honestly, in my mind,
23:27
Speaker 1: I believe there was something wrong to friends and family.
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Speaker 1: Shanty Cooper Trant's and her husband David, appeared to have
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Speaker 1: a kind of distance between them. Never seen them affectionate.
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Speaker 1: I've never seen them touch. Shanty was viewed as the breadwinner.
23:39
Speaker 1: I just felt like he needed her and when she
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Speaker 1: needed him. She had a successful consulting business. I didn't
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Speaker 1: think that Dave worked. The husband of Shanty's late mother
23:48
Speaker 1: told police there was a sign in November of that
23:52
Speaker 1: David was focused on money the day Shanty's mom had
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Speaker 1: a heart attack. The first words that I recall that
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Speaker 1: Shanty asked me what Dave buyerside was as life and
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Speaker 1: sean out. What we're learning now is that this guy
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Speaker 1: who pretended to be a millionaire when they met on
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Speaker 1: match dot Com and throughout the relationship, the courting relationship
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Speaker 1: that is, turned out to be a miser. He pretended
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Speaker 1: to be a millionaire, but he refused to pay for
24:23
Speaker 1: anything with me. Crime online dot Com investigative reporter and
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Speaker 1: author of an awesome book, Beautiful Life cs I Behind
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Speaker 1: the Casey Anthony Trial, Robin Willinski, tell me about this guy, Robin,
24:36
Speaker 1: he's a gold digger. In a word, he's a gold digger.
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Speaker 1: He had the you know, the facade that oh, I
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Speaker 1: inherited four to six million from my dad and I'm
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Speaker 1: this and I'm insaled that I'm in that. Meanwhile, the
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Speaker 1: neighbors say that he's at home while they're renovating the house.
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Speaker 1: He's like a stay at home dad doing nothing. She's
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Speaker 1: out working in the consulting business. They go to the
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Speaker 1: grocery store, he won't even pay for you know, twenty bucks,
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Speaker 1: forty bucks, a hundred bucks and groceries. He won't take
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Speaker 1: her out. He had a problem paying for meals, and
25:07
Speaker 1: he had a problem paying for a portion of the
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Speaker 1: rent on one of their apartments before they moved to
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Speaker 1: this house. I mean really now, so he his whole
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Speaker 1: life is a fraud. I don't think he had had
25:17
Speaker 1: to dine, you know, wealth or like thereof was a
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Speaker 1: key same in all the interviews that happened after Shanty
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Speaker 1: was found dead in the bathtub. Now I noticed in
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Speaker 1: this case, police really slammed David Tronis for quote, fake crying,
25:37
Speaker 1: fake crying after his wife was found. Let's take another.
25:42
Speaker 1: Listen to that nine one one call. I believe we
25:46
Speaker 1: hear a little fake crying going on here. Listen, your
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Speaker 1: name is Dan Okay, your name is David Okay. Who
25:54
Speaker 1: is it that's not breathing? There's no crying it out
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Speaker 1: of here? The evidence and her body speak for itself,
26:05
Speaker 1: and your story is b s. So you better figure
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Speaker 1: it out before it goes too far, because I'm telling
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Speaker 1: you right now, nobody is going to believe that. Nobody.
26:24
Speaker 1: If you maintain that, you're gonna look like a fool.
26:27
Speaker 1: Did you just hear Detective Sprague? I mean, she's so
26:29
Speaker 1: no nonsense. I love this woman, and she says to him, quote,
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Speaker 1: you fate cried for about seven or eight hours today,
26:38
Speaker 1: but not one tear came out of your eyes, not one.
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Speaker 1: You have fake cried over this woman's destince. We may
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Speaker 1: contact with you. There is not a lick of remorse
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Speaker 1: for what you did to this woman. So you know,
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Speaker 1: Eric Johnson, you're the defense lawyer. What do you do
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Speaker 1: with the client that tries to cry in front of
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Speaker 1: a jury but no tears come out. Well, once again,
26:56
Speaker 1: like I said, I mean, it all goes back to
26:58
Speaker 1: how stress and how this type of situation affects each
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Speaker 1: individual defendant. Surely the project he is going to try
27:04
Speaker 1: to make the point that these were are considered crocodiles
27:07
Speaker 1: here to indicate some form of guilt. However, you may
27:09
Speaker 1: have to get in some experts or anything, or other
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Speaker 1: type of witnesses to show how he reacts under stress
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Speaker 1: and strain and try to explain it that way. I
27:17
Speaker 1: do will admit that the judges look bad. Some of
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Speaker 1: the statements that he made in his characterizations and how
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Speaker 1: he looked on camera is something that the jury is
27:24
Speaker 1: going to take into consideration. But his defense attorney is
27:26
Speaker 1: going to have to attack each one of those and
27:28
Speaker 1: try to convince the jury of his clients. And Kenya Johnson,
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Speaker 1: we'd have a field day with this guy trying to
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Speaker 1: cry in front of the jury. Nothing comes out, and
27:37
Speaker 1: then of one of my favorite things to do, Kenyan,
27:39
Speaker 1: and I'd like for you to try this sometimes it
27:41
Speaker 1: can't already done it. He never look at the finding
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Speaker 1: in front of the jury, never even look at them,
27:46
Speaker 1: but then walk over behind them while they're sitting at
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Speaker 1: their seat. There's nothing they can do. They can't jump
27:55
Speaker 1: up and hit you, or if they could, then you
27:57
Speaker 1: definitely get a guilty conviction. But you go stand behind
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Speaker 1: them and like point down at them, especially if they're
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Speaker 1: trying to do the fake crying thing and you're stand
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Speaker 1: right behind them. What can they do. They can't really
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Speaker 1: turn around, they can't act, man. They have to sit
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Speaker 1: there and let you point at them and be right
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Speaker 1: behind them, but not touch them as they fake cry,
28:16
Speaker 1: And just point out, does anybody in this courtroom see
28:19
Speaker 1: a tear? Because I don't. What's all the shaking and
28:22
Speaker 1: the heaving and the lip quivering, what's that? I just
28:27
Speaker 1: love it when somebody fake cries in courts. It's awesome. Well, Nancy,
28:30
Speaker 1: I would love to get him on cross examination. It
28:33
Speaker 1: would be so dramatic and from but I'll tell you
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Speaker 1: your courtroom dramatics are legendary in the Fulton County Courthouse,
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Speaker 1: and I think you might be one of the few
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Speaker 1: that can get away with some of that activity at trial.
28:45
Speaker 1: I don't know what you mean by activity, Kenya, but
28:49
Speaker 1: you know what to Dr Michelle Duprey, I really think
28:52
Speaker 1: that the fact that he calls one, he finds the body,
28:55
Speaker 1: there's not any water around it. She died a blunt
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Speaker 1: trauma to the head and uh strangulation be at manual
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Speaker 1: or ligature, and he's crying but no tears are coming out.
29:07
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean to me, that seals the case.
29:08
Speaker 1: What can you do? How can you show that trauma
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Speaker 1: to the head was from a blow and not a fall. So, Nancy,
29:16
Speaker 1: we would look at the actual wound itself, the type
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Speaker 1: of fracture. There is the way the bone fractures. With
29:21
Speaker 1: someone striking a bone, there's a depressed fracture that causes
29:24
Speaker 1: a totally different appearance in the bone. When someone hits
29:27
Speaker 1: her head again, it's a different type of fracture. So
29:30
Speaker 1: we look at the injuries. The patterns mean everything. Well,
29:32
Speaker 1: now we're beginning to focus on not just the injuries
29:36
Speaker 1: and the cause and manner of death, but the husband's
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Speaker 1: double life questions surrounded their relationship. Have you ever had
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Speaker 1: any reason there, their marriage was on the rocks, or
29:53
Speaker 1: was having trouble. Honestly, in my mind, I believe there
29:56
Speaker 1: was something wrong to friends and family. Shanti Cooper Toronts
29:59
Speaker 1: and her husband David appeared to have a kind of
30:01
Speaker 1: distance between them. Never seen them affectionate. I've never seen
30:05
Speaker 1: them touching. Shaunty was viewed as the breadwinner. I just
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Speaker 1: felt like he needed her or che needed him. She
30:10
Speaker 1: had a successful consulting business. I didn't think that Dave
30:14
Speaker 1: worked the husband Deshaunty's late mother told police there was
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Speaker 1: a sign in November of that David was focused on money.
30:22
Speaker 1: The day Shaunty's mom had a heart attack. The first
30:24
Speaker 1: words that I recall that Shanty asked me what Dave
30:28
Speaker 1: by her side was about mom's life. What to Robert
30:33
Speaker 1: Olenski Crime online dot Com investigative reporter tell me about
30:37
Speaker 1: the double life and Eric Johnson? You know what? I
30:41
Speaker 1: want you to stew on this. I'm sure you'll say it.
30:43
Speaker 1: Prais nothing as a defense lawyer, but I bet a
30:46
Speaker 1: jury is not going to agree with you. Hit at Robin.
30:49
Speaker 1: So the detective start looking at this guy and who
30:53
Speaker 1: his associates are and where he goes every day and
30:56
Speaker 1: his credit card bills, et cetera. And it turns out
30:59
Speaker 1: that he's member in Orlando to a gay gym and spa,
31:04
Speaker 1: and that he goes to the gym he worked out,
31:07
Speaker 1: and they started interviewing, you know, the people who work
31:09
Speaker 1: at the gym, who kind of know your habits the gym.
31:12
Speaker 1: I go to the people know what I do there,
31:14
Speaker 1: and apparently, um what are the workers say that they
31:17
Speaker 1: had witnessed him having sexual contact with men at least twice.
31:23
Speaker 1: That one of the workers thought so clearly his you know,
31:28
Speaker 1: he has a whole other thing going on, and maybe
31:32
Speaker 1: that's why he wasn't touching his wife because he was
31:35
Speaker 1: with men. Okay, you know what, let me pick on
31:39
Speaker 1: Eric Johnson, Atlanta defense attorney. From moment. You know what,
31:44
Speaker 1: I can't decide which one I hate the most. A
31:47
Speaker 1: guy who's hooking up with other people and I don't
31:51
Speaker 1: care if it's with a man or a woman outside
31:54
Speaker 1: my relationship, my marriage with that person, and they're hooking
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Speaker 1: up with somebody at a gym with a gym r
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Speaker 1: of all people. But I'm kind of more angry about
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Speaker 1: him not buying the groceries. I guess you're Jackie Howard
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Speaker 1: in the studio with me. I guess your priorities changed
32:09
Speaker 1: every time. I guess at one time it would have
32:11
Speaker 1: been more angry that he was cheating, But at this
32:15
Speaker 1: point I'm mad he's not buy the groceries. You know.
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Speaker 1: So ladies agree or disagree, But Eric, how can you
32:22
Speaker 1: with a straight face say that has nothing to do
32:26
Speaker 1: with this. Well, the reality of the situation is one
32:28
Speaker 1: of the call um. You guess earlier stated that he
32:31
Speaker 1: was this gentleman was a golder. Okay, that might be true,
32:34
Speaker 1: So that would mean that he wants to he wants
32:36
Speaker 1: to live and exhorbit in a lavish lifestyle. So therefore
32:39
Speaker 1: they stake to say that he probably wouldn't kill her
32:41
Speaker 1: because he wanted to continue this lifestyle. He would be
32:44
Speaker 1: doing everything possible to do it. Now as it goes
32:46
Speaker 1: to his alternative lifestyle, it's pure speculation to state that
32:50
Speaker 1: she may not have known about it. Some couples are
32:52
Speaker 1: into things like that. We don't know. We can only
32:54
Speaker 1: speculate at this time because she's not here to speak
32:56
Speaker 1: for herselves. What what Eric, Eric, Some couples into things
33:00
Speaker 1: like one well as um as far as swapping as
33:04
Speaker 1: far as swapping and other type of alternative life, that's
33:10
Speaker 1: certainly putting perfume on the pig, you know. To Kenya Johnson,
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Speaker 1: Atlanta Prosecutor Kenya if they were quote okay with it
33:21
Speaker 1: as uh? Eric Johnson is suggesting, how come she wasn't
33:23
Speaker 1: having a un affair just him? Why is it always
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Speaker 1: the man who always says we had an open marriage
33:29
Speaker 1: and the wife is like, what I agree, and I'll
33:32
Speaker 1: the sham of him not paying That would have been
33:35
Speaker 1: really short lived because that's what I paid for a
33:37
Speaker 1: few times. I would begin to get very suspicious and
33:40
Speaker 1: then want to actually see some bake statements at some investments. UM.
33:44
Speaker 1: So at some point, you know, you just really have
33:46
Speaker 1: to be cautious when dating online and uh and following
33:49
Speaker 1: up because they can become new people with every new relationship. Well,
33:53
Speaker 1: listen to this guy. Appearances for State and in UM
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Speaker 1: defense in case number eighteen c F one two four
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Speaker 1: or seven to Ryan vest Assistant State Attorney, State of Florida,
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Speaker 1: Robert mandel On behalf of David Tranas, Mr mandel Mr Vestio,
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Speaker 1: are you Mr troonas Mr Tronas you're here pursuing too
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Speaker 1: a kpist or probable cause order for first degree murder? Um,
34:16
Speaker 1: how are we perceiving a requesting that he remains that
34:18
Speaker 1: at no vand we are judged and Mr Mandel in
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Speaker 1: your position on all that, your honor, at this time,
34:23
Speaker 1: we're not requesting them bond, Okay, So you're going to
34:25
Speaker 1: keep him. You're submitting to the proof evident presumption. Great
34:28
Speaker 1: as far as per second ASC. So I'm going to
34:31
Speaker 1: ask that you I'm going to order that you have
34:33
Speaker 1: no contact with the bidam's family in this case. I'm
34:35
Speaker 1: also ordering that you not possess any weapons. If you
34:38
Speaker 1: do a new weapons, if you do get a bond
34:39
Speaker 1: down the line um, they must be surrendered to the
34:42
Speaker 1: police department within six hours of your release. And that
34:44
Speaker 1: does include ammunition anything else. Counsels, the only other thing
34:48
Speaker 1: that we would ask is that if there's subsequent bond proceedings,
34:50
Speaker 1: Downtown will deal with it at that time. I would
34:52
Speaker 1: just ask that the court's order include forfeiture of a passport.
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Speaker 1: We reasonably that Mr tronas had does have a validly
34:59
Speaker 1: issue United States Cuswork Counsel for Defense Bunch your position,
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Speaker 1: you're not believe that could be taken up at the
35:04
Speaker 1: time we bring the bond motion, if we even bring
35:06
Speaker 1: a bond motion, I agree. I'll go ahead and let
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Speaker 1: the trial division got Division twenty at the issues of
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Speaker 1: forfeiture and stop anything else. Gentlemen from the room. Thank
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Speaker 1: you to Robin will Let's Key Crime online dot Com
35:21
Speaker 1: investigative reporter, Robin. I still say the fake crying and
35:27
Speaker 1: finding the body and the bath to both dry just
35:30
Speaker 1: minutes after the nine one one call, I think that's
35:34
Speaker 1: what lead to his arrest. I really do. Yeah, I
35:36
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think the investigator who's saying to him,
35:40
Speaker 1: you know, really calling him on the carpet in that
35:42
Speaker 1: interview and saying, you know, your story is b s.
35:44
Speaker 1: This is complete hogwash. You know, strangulation, it's science. This
35:48
Speaker 1: is not a guessing game, you know. And she goes
35:50
Speaker 1: on and she's like, it's the s it's crap, it's crap.
35:53
Speaker 1: And then he's sitting there and he's like the little
35:55
Speaker 1: boy you know when your kids get out of the pool, Nancy,
35:57
Speaker 1: and they huddle themselves in a towel or a black
36:00
Speaker 1: get to dry off, and he's sitting there, you know,
36:02
Speaker 1: boo hoo hoo, and it's all fake. He again, He's
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Speaker 1: like an actor on a soap opera and he's just
36:08
Speaker 1: totally faking it. He has no answers for this interrogator
36:11
Speaker 1: of the investigator. He's got nothing. He's got nothing. What
36:15
Speaker 1: do you do with that? Justice, Scott Morgan, you're the
36:17
Speaker 1: death investigator because Trends told investigators he found Shanty dead
36:21
Speaker 1: in a half full bathtub, and then he's speculated and
36:25
Speaker 1: hypothesized that she must have fallen while getting into the tub.
36:29
Speaker 1: But cops say she was totally dry and the bathtub
36:34
Speaker 1: was totally dry when they arrived just minutes later. Whoop,
36:37
Speaker 1: see forgot to sprinkle water. Yeah, as far as the
36:40
Speaker 1: suspect goes, I don't say anything. I just let them
36:44
Speaker 1: talk and talk and talk and talk. It's amazing to
36:47
Speaker 1: me that these people cannot shut their mouth when they're
36:50
Speaker 1: talking to the police. They think that they're going to
36:52
Speaker 1: outsmart investigators every single time downrange. Well, long story short,
37:00
Speaker 1: when they asked him how did everything dry out? He
37:04
Speaker 1: asked investigators, how did everything dry out? Wow? How did
37:09
Speaker 1: that happen? And why was he huddling himself in a towel?
37:13
Speaker 1: I mean, Karen's dark psychologist, that's really over the top
37:16
Speaker 1: for him to be huddling himself in a towel and
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Speaker 1: he's bone dry, but he doesn't think about the fact
37:20
Speaker 1: that nothing that there isn't a single thing he's saying
37:23
Speaker 1: that makes sense, Nancy. He's just acting, and that it
37:27
Speaker 1: was said before. It's very poor acting. He's acting as
37:30
Speaker 1: though he's crying, but there are no tears that are
37:33
Speaker 1: actually coming out of his eyes. He's acting, Dune, very innocent,
37:38
Speaker 1: like wow, how do you think that happened? That there
37:40
Speaker 1: isn't any water there? Instead of allowing them to ask
37:44
Speaker 1: him that question. So he's turning everything around. He has
37:47
Speaker 1: a towel wrapped around him, a poor man. He's trying
37:50
Speaker 1: to look like he's in trouble, but why does he
37:53
Speaker 1: have a towel when he's dry? So none of it
37:56
Speaker 1: makes sense. The acting isn't working. I give all the
38:00
Speaker 1: right it too, Dteger Teresa Sprague, and I want you
38:04
Speaker 1: to hear her. She is awesome. Listen. It's complete hartwash
38:17
Speaker 1: and we haven't even got medical exam findings from strangulation
38:22
Speaker 1: and all the things that go along with that. It's science,
38:29
Speaker 1: it's not guessing. It's medical science. I know you wish
38:36
Speaker 1: that you could rewind today. Believe me, I've had those days,
38:40
Speaker 1: probably not to this degree, but I've had those days.
38:44
Speaker 1: But you can't. You have to move forward, and the
38:49
Speaker 1: best course of action for you is to tell the
38:53
Speaker 1: truth what happened. We await as justice end folds. Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories, sign nough, Goodbye friend,