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Is Detroit's Season Already Wasted? · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part the
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Speaker 1: Foul Territory Network Tiger's podcast. I'm Kieren Steckley with me
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Speaker 1: as always as a man who sees brighter days ahead.
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Speaker 1: But it's summertime, so it's not exactly going out on
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Speaker 1: a limb here. He is Cody saving and how are
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Speaker 1: you doing?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would I would probably mostly just limit that
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Speaker 2: to the weather for right now. I just watched a
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Speaker 2: series sweep. I just watched a one in five home stand.
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Speaker 2: We're we're only like what like four days removed from
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Speaker 2: the Thread the Needle pod. We're gonna try to thread
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Speaker 2: the needle and like have some real talk without panicking.
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Speaker 2: And now it's it's hard to Maybe I'll look back
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Speaker 2: on this pod is like that was stupid, that was
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Speaker 2: an overreaction. I'm not. I don't know, I don't. I
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Speaker 2: don't have much good to say this pod. I think
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Speaker 2: we're gonna keep it real real today.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So just for context, we're recording this a couple
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Speaker 1: hours after a I would say, rather lifeless, at least
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Speaker 1: from an offensive perspective, three to one loss to conclude
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Speaker 1: the Cleveland Guardian series.
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Speaker 2: Uh, it's not a lack of life. It's just a
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Speaker 2: lack of anything.
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Speaker 1: Man, I don't know. We were gonna go philosophical like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: but here's the thing, here's the thing, like and we're
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Speaker 1: gonna get to a lot of stuff. But like, the
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Speaker 1: more I kind of look back at some of the
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Speaker 1: things that we were saying on previous episodes, the more
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Speaker 1: I kind of think like, damn, Like maybe this is
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Speaker 1: the case, like that question I asked, like, is this
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Speaker 1: the best you can do? Like and and like in theory,
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Speaker 1: when you have a Riley Green, or you have like
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Speaker 1: a Torque with a home with a home run pass,
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Speaker 1: when you have Beer Lean and who's been like a
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Speaker 1: two plus war player, and like all these like things
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Speaker 1: that are on the field currently right now, they're like, No,
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Speaker 1: this is not the best we can do. We've seen
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Speaker 1: them x collectively as a group. Right now, with the
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Speaker 1: players that are available, I almost kind of think this
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Speaker 1: is like the best you could do because I've seen
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Speaker 1: a decent sample size of this cody now to where
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Speaker 1: it all kind of looks the same and I'm not
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Speaker 1: getting a whole lot of indications of you know, kind
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Speaker 1: of pushing that boulder a little bit further up the hill.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not seeing a whole lot of lie
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Speaker 1: at the end of the tunnel stuff. I'm seeing a
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Speaker 1: lot of the same thing. So it's like, is this
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Speaker 1: the best you can do? It's hard for me to say, like,
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Speaker 1: I can imagine better, I expect better, I've seen better,
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Speaker 1: but I can't imagine it right now. Maybe that's president
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Speaker 1: a moment I can't imagine it.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's time for a rostermover too. And
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Speaker 2: I'm on record saying I'm not a huge fan of
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Speaker 2: the shakeup. I'm not necessarily sure they have a ton
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Speaker 2: better options than Triple A right now, but I think
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Speaker 2: it's pretty clear you can't just keep trotting out this
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Speaker 2: same order. I'd asked aj Hinch after one of these games,
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Speaker 2: like when you have the guys with these track records,
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Speaker 2: like are you reaching a point of frustration or are
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Speaker 2: they reaching a point of frustration? And what do you say?
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Speaker 2: He said, if we're frustrated, now it's too late. And
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Speaker 2: today that similar topic came up and I kind of said, well,
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Speaker 2: when you have guys with track records that you're waiting
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Speaker 2: on and you don't have better options, like what do
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Speaker 2: you do? And you know, I don't think he had
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Speaker 2: a great answer, so he said, well, you just keep
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Speaker 2: encouraging them. Some of it's the guys with track records.
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Speaker 2: We also got to be some of them don't have
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Speaker 2: track records. Zack Short has a track record of being
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Speaker 2: a poor hitter in the major leagues. How you, Lee
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Speaker 2: is probably playing more than he needs to be playing,
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Speaker 2: if he needs to be on this roster at all.
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Speaker 2: So some of it is guys that have had tastes
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Speaker 2: of success, the Vierlings, the mckinstrees, Jami Jones, Wintle pair
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Speaker 2: is Jake Rogers, like we get there are more we
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Speaker 2: can keep going. And then some of it's you have
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Speaker 2: some guys who aren't good right now playing starting. Zach
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Speaker 2: Short started three of these four games. It's one of
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Speaker 2: the most unseerious things I've seen this organization do since
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Speaker 2: the Avila era. I think it's time for a mover too.
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Speaker 2: We can talk about that more if you want. I
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Speaker 2: don't feel great about any of the triple A options
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Speaker 2: coming up, but Max Anderson, like he's got good numbers.
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Speaker 2: Our friend Roch Castillo put out that Max Anderson is
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Speaker 2: one of six against fastballs ninety five plus so that
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Speaker 2: tells you we don't really know if he can hit velocity.
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Speaker 2: That also tells me the pitching he's seeing in triple
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Speaker 2: A just isn't very good. If he's only had six
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Speaker 2: at bats end on ninety five plus. I'm not saying
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Speaker 2: it's gonna be great, but look, Max Anderson, I think
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Speaker 2: he had to give the kid a shot. A lot
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Speaker 2: of people probably want Max Clark up. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: He's got six ninety four ops against the same bad pitching.
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Speaker 2: We were just talking about one home run still, so
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's Max Clark time. I don't know,
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Speaker 2: like his Corey jolks your answer like probably not. But
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Speaker 2: at the same time, like I don't think you can
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Speaker 2: keep trotting Winsele pears out there. He looks lost. His
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Speaker 2: body language is dejected. The Zach Short how you Lee think? Like,
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Speaker 2: come on, are like what are we doing? I don't
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Speaker 2: know if they can do better, but I think it's
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Speaker 2: time to at least try something different.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, you know, Zach Short, finally you know,
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Speaker 1: got a hit and you still lost, you know, So yeah,
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Speaker 1: and look, I think the unserious part of this is
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Speaker 1: can broadly be applied in a lot of ways, like
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Speaker 1: we're just not seeing a serious output of professional baseball
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Speaker 1: at this point. And that's not me saying that this
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Speaker 1: player is unserious, or the manager's unserious, or the president
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Speaker 1: is unserious. I'm just saying this stretch has been an
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Speaker 1: un serious stretch, all right, for a variety of reasons.
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Speaker 1: Obviously we'll get into and maybe before we get kind
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Speaker 1: of worked up and down like several of rabbit holes here, Cody,
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Speaker 1: Let's let's let's kind of take a deep breath and
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Speaker 1: at least give some topical stuff off the top here
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Speaker 1: with okay, with some but yeah, because we're gonna go
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Speaker 1: we're gonna go down into that and it's gonna get deep.
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Speaker 1: Let's let's let's get to the surface here. And it
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Speaker 1: does appear, if we're gonna do some good news stuff,
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Speaker 1: it does appear that at least Trek Scooble is progressing.
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Speaker 1: And and you saw him pitch a a we'll call
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Speaker 1: that a bullpen. Is that what we're gonna call it?
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Speaker 1: With a couple of Yeah, it was a bullpen.
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Speaker 2: I mean it's a normal Yeah, he did it knup down,
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Speaker 2: you know, he considered a start day, but it's a
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Speaker 2: Bullprien session.
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Speaker 1: So like thirty five or thirty seven, depending on your source.
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Speaker 2: Of thirty five, I hallucinated two pitches. It's harder than
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Speaker 2: then you think to just sit there and track pitches
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Speaker 2: like it really is. Like I asked schoolboys that I
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Speaker 2: had it at thirty seven, How bad am I accounting?
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Speaker 2: It's exactly what I said. He's at thirty five, so
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Speaker 2: I don't know where the extra two came from. But
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Speaker 2: we're going to thirty five.
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Speaker 1: So if he's calling it normal and and and there's
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Speaker 1: and there's some video out there on X that you
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Speaker 1: can find at Cody Stave nag and if we're if
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Speaker 1: we're if he's calling it normal and he is emoting
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Speaker 1: in a in a in a positive way, uh, what
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Speaker 1: is what does this mean? Does this mean? Like, because
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Speaker 1: you could lend yourself to believe a lot of stuff,
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Speaker 1: and there have been some varying opinions and speculations out there,
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Speaker 1: but what does it mean?
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Speaker 2: I was going to play the video, but I didn't
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Speaker 2: want to have to put the explicit tag on this
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Speaker 2: because Tarrek drops a little fah at the end h
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Speaker 2: on his last pitch the bullpen. You know, I watched
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Speaker 2: the whole thing. I was the only one who was
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Speaker 2: out there for some reason. He is his first up.
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Speaker 2: I thought he was feeling some things out. You know,
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Speaker 2: you could see fetter Robin Lind like giving him some
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Speaker 2: mechanical cues. He's thrown a lot of breaking pitches, kind
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Speaker 2: of a lot of grip cues. It was hard to
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Speaker 2: be in a place. I couldn't see the catcher from
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Speaker 2: where I was sitting in the stand, so it's hard
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Speaker 2: to like really know how things were looking. But I
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Speaker 2: was like, eh, I mean, he looks full go, but
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Speaker 2: maybe he's a little rusty. And then he got out
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Speaker 2: there for his second he threw twenty pitches or maybe
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Speaker 2: he is eighteen, and I made up to I'm not
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Speaker 2: real sure. Yeah, he went and sat for about five minutes,
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Speaker 2: comes back out, and I thought when he came back out, like,
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Speaker 2: oh the dang okay, Like he looked pretty nasty. He
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Speaker 2: looked and sync he looked really good. And yeah, he
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Speaker 2: was popping some fastballs there at the end. He had
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Speaker 2: a certain VLO number he wanted to get to. He
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Speaker 2: didn't share that number. He described it as one hundred
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Speaker 2: percent for a bullpen, and he hit it on his
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Speaker 2: last pitch, hence the emotion. He came in with positive reports.
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Speaker 2: I think this means that things are going very well now.
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Speaker 2: Of course, there was a lot made this week about
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Speaker 2: the report from our Powell Will Carroll which said that
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Speaker 2: there had been discussions between Scooble, his advisors and the
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Speaker 2: Tigers about him not needing a rehab assignment and that
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Speaker 2: could make him available as soon as next week. A. J.
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Speaker 2: Hinch called that report ridiculous. Terrek Scuble also was not
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Speaker 2: a fan of that report, and justice to Will, I
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Speaker 2: want to point out what he reported said, didn't say
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Speaker 2: that's what's going to happen, said there were discussions. Could
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Speaker 2: there have been discussions, I wouldn't be shocked, but right
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Speaker 2: it certainly seems like the plan is no, he's he's
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Speaker 2: going to need a rehab assignment. AJ Hinch told me
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Speaker 2: that Trek Scuble told me that addressing some of this,
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Speaker 2: you guys might not be able to read this whole quote,
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Speaker 2: but it was interesting because we talked about it. This
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Speaker 2: idea that, oh, well, Scooble's rushing because he wants to
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Speaker 2: make more money. I don't know hearing it from the
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Speaker 2: guy himself, like I want to come back as fast
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Speaker 2: as possible. I also want to be healthy. It does
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Speaker 2: mean no good to come back fast and then something
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Speaker 2: happens and I go back on the shelf again. Everybody
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Speaker 2: in here, it's bad for everybody involved. We're going to
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Speaker 2: be smart, but I'm also going to try and push
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Speaker 2: the threshold and communicate with doctors and training staff and
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Speaker 2: have good conversations about where I can go from this
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Speaker 2: point and develop a plan. So, like, what that tells
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Speaker 2: me is no, Eric Scubale is smart enough to know
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Speaker 2: he needs to be a little bit careful here. As
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Speaker 2: Scooball himself pointed out, this is kind of unprecedented. No
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Speaker 2: one's ever had this surgery before. So he's feeling good.
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Speaker 2: He just threw thirty five pitches. You got some work
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Speaker 2: to do in building that volume. They're gonna go step
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Speaker 2: by step, so it's gonna be another bullpen and then
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Speaker 2: probably another bullpen after that, and then you start getting
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Speaker 2: to the sixty pitch mark, and then you go live
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Speaker 2: and then you see how that looks. So you know,
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Speaker 2: you're already looking at probably another fifteen days day's ish
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Speaker 2: minimum from there, and then we'll see, you know, do
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Speaker 2: they really want to ramp on the accelerator and just
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Speaker 2: go or do they send them to Lakeland and then Toledo?
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Speaker 2: Do they send them to Toledo at all? You know,
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Speaker 2: all these things are TBD. They are all step by step.
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Speaker 2: This is going really well. It's really impressive considering he
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Speaker 2: had surgery less than two weeks ago, fifteen days ago.
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Speaker 2: But it's not going to be next week. That's that's
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Speaker 2: what we've learned.
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Speaker 1: We have to get to a break. But on the
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Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, you know, in the immediate
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Speaker 1: reaction to school bulls scratch and then injury and surgery
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Speaker 1: and then you know all that stuff, I was pretty
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Speaker 1: quick to shut down any thoughts of, you know, giving
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Speaker 1: a school of trading schoobl because I thought, okay, well, look,
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Speaker 1: obviously he's important. He's also a guy plays once every
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Speaker 1: five days. This team should, like in theory, continue to
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Speaker 1: kind of play to somewhat of its capability, of its level.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, maybe they are as it turns out, but
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Speaker 1: I didn't anticipate going two and fourteen in the stretch
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Speaker 1: since then, so Now the question is Cody he's gonna
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Speaker 1: be back. He's gonna you know, there's no reason to
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Speaker 1: think he's not gonna be Trek Schougble here in the
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Speaker 1: relatively near future. The team is currently twenty and thirty one.
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Speaker 1: Is it time to start thinking that this is maybe
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Speaker 1: the path?
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Speaker 2: It feels a lot more realistic than it did two
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Speaker 2: weeks ago, ten days ago. There's no doubt about that.
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Speaker 2: If the trade deadline were today, you have to think
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Speaker 2: Trek Scouble would be traded, and so what case he
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Speaker 2: mies and probably so would some other people. Tigers are
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Speaker 2: now nine and a half out of the division, and
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Speaker 2: even in a weak American league, there are five games
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Speaker 2: out of a wild card spot. Five games this al
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Speaker 2: it's not insurmountable. This is how I view it, Like
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Speaker 2: is the season over? No, it's not. But you're pretty
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Speaker 2: much on the edge of that cliff.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: It went from it's may don't panic to you are
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Speaker 2: on the verge of this all being done before June
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Speaker 2: because you've had a a two and fourteen stretch. They
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Speaker 2: can play better. I have to think when they get
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Speaker 2: something close to full strength, there's better baseball in this team.
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Speaker 2: But it might just be too late before before we
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Speaker 2: get there, they're gonna have to win some games in
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Speaker 2: the next handful of days or yeah, I mean the
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Speaker 2: reality of a Schooble trade could be real. It brings
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Speaker 2: up a fun scenario. If you're Scott Harris and you
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Speaker 2: get to the trade deadline and you are you're healthier,
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Speaker 2: and you are last place, but three four games out
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Speaker 2: of the wildcard spot, what do you do? I wouldn't
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Speaker 2: want to be one one of the one making that decision.
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Speaker 2: But if things don't turn around soon, this is.
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Speaker 1: Turk.
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Speaker 2: Schoogle might not have that many starts left at Comerica Park.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm more open to that being a thing than
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Speaker 1: I was, like I said two weeks ago, but I
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Speaker 1: also I still kind of struggle to see it happen.
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Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is one, we know
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Speaker 1: how much Harrison Company love draft picks. So there's that
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Speaker 1: piece that's like a part of the the a part
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Speaker 1: of a part of the situation, you know, the compic two.
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Speaker 1: I just don't know how what what a school market
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Speaker 1: looks in a walk year when he has just making
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Speaker 1: up a number five starts or whatever. Posts This experimental
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Speaker 1: new procedure I just don't know what that what that
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Speaker 1: market is. So and then you're throw in the fact
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Speaker 1: that and this is something I know people criticize him
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Speaker 1: for on X, but this is something that I believe
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Speaker 1: you've you know, kind of experienced talking to your sources.
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Speaker 1: Tell me if I'm wrong here. He's not. Scott Harris
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Speaker 1: is not considered like the best guy to deal with
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Speaker 1: from a from a peer perspective. So how does the
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Speaker 1: trade material material eyes? You know, I'm trying to say, uh,
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Speaker 1: given all those factors, I'm saying it can't happen. I'm
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Speaker 1: just saying like there's a lot into it, more so
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Speaker 1: than just you're running the mill, you know, Karen.
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Speaker 2: If the Tigers get to the trade deadline and they're
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Speaker 2: out of it and they don't move him, that would
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Speaker 2: be the worst move of Scott Harris's tenure, unless they
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Speaker 2: had some belief that none of us see coming, that
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Speaker 2: they could reach an extension or something. If they don't
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Speaker 2: move him and then he walks for a draft pick
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Speaker 2: and when you're already out of it, that would be
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Speaker 2: complete malpractice. I think if they are out of it,
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Speaker 2: he will be traded. Now, what's the market look like?
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Speaker 2: I think there's a chance now now that seems like
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Speaker 2: he's going to be back in time to have multiple
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Speaker 2: starts before the break, that it will be pretty robust
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Speaker 2: that the injury will probably not have much, if any
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Speaker 2: effect on that market. Obviously, this is all speculative. If
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Speaker 2: he comes out and he's throwing ninety two and he socks,
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Speaker 2: that changes. But if he comes back and he's Trek's
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Speaker 2: scooball and he puts together two, three, four or five
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Speaker 2: good starts before the trade deadline, I mean, I think
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Speaker 2: there'll be teams lining up trying to go trade for
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Speaker 2: Trek Scooble and trying to win a World Series, And
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Speaker 2: the Tigers certainly could get themselves a nice haul that
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Speaker 2: would blow away any any you know, qualifying offer draft pick.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're right. It's hard for me
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Speaker 1: to imagine imagine what a nice haul is given all
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Speaker 1: these factors. So so so, yeah, maybe you're right, But
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Speaker 1: I do think if you're three or four games out
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Speaker 1: that that I really don't imagine the trade school there's
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Speaker 1: three or four games out at the deadline of the
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Speaker 1: wild Card, that one. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: It'd be tough. If you have a healthy roster. If
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Speaker 2: you get carried Carpenter back and he's swinging it, well,
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Speaker 2: what do you do if you're.
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Speaker 1: Three or four games?
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Speaker 3: Help me?
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Speaker 1: You can talk yourself into a lot. You can talk
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Speaker 1: yourself into a lot. So, for better or for worse,
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Speaker 1: you can talk yourself into a lot. All right, Speaking
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Speaker 1: of pictures with cy Young's on their mantle, we also
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Speaker 1: seemingly have another. This one's not as positive but positive
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Speaker 1: update with Justin Verlander. Like things are moving forward, but
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Speaker 1: like school zone level pace, not a not highway level
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Speaker 1: pace like it seems like with school bl So Justin
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Speaker 1: Verlander did a sim game. Maybe he tried to boost
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Speaker 1: the confidence of Wentzel Pariz a little bit, didn't necessarily
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Speaker 1: translate to the games games, But what can you tell
18:51
Speaker 1: us about Verlander and and and where he's at?
18:54
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm not really treating this one as a
18:57
Speaker 2: positive update at all. Verlander threw his pin and I
19:00
Speaker 2: watch most of it. It wasn't like horrible. It wasn't
19:05
Speaker 2: like Alex Cobb when he could like barely move, but
19:08
Speaker 2: it wasn't The stuff just wasn't really there. You know,
19:11
Speaker 2: he did hit ninety four to six, but by his
19:14
Speaker 2: what third up the fastballs more like ninety one ninety two.
19:18
Speaker 2: The breaking stuff didn't look very sharp to me, and
19:21
Speaker 2: probably the biggest thing he gave up a HOMERI diage
19:23
Speaker 2: to my Jones and two homers two Wintle Perez. Now
19:26
Speaker 2: there's a live VP. This isn't a game. Verlander's working
19:29
Speaker 2: on some stuff, so like it's a little bit hard
19:31
Speaker 2: to know how much of an indictment that should really be.
19:35
Speaker 2: Then you can also think we just tad Wincle Perez
19:37
Speaker 2: is completely lost and he hit two homers off justin Verlander.
19:43
Speaker 2: Given the fact Verlander did not want to talk about
19:46
Speaker 2: the bullpen afterward, aj Hinch the day of the bullpen
19:52
Speaker 2: pretty much didn't want to say anything about it. He
19:54
Speaker 2: came back this morning with a better analysising he's inching
19:58
Speaker 2: forward but not sprinting forward. He said, do we want
20:01
Speaker 2: to quantum leap? Yes? Is he ready for competition?
20:05
Speaker 3: No?
20:06
Speaker 2: Uh, They're gonna keep building his volume. But he threw
20:09
Speaker 2: sixty plus pitches. Basically, it sounds like the quality just
20:14
Speaker 2: isn't there, holding his stuff, holding his velo, isn't there
20:18
Speaker 2: the bounce back. I'm not real sure how it was.
20:21
Speaker 2: It kind of got the sense he wasn't feeling super
20:23
Speaker 2: great Thursday morning, so he's gonna keep He's kind of
20:28
Speaker 2: stuck in this cycle right now. He's gonna throw another bullpen,
20:30
Speaker 2: he's gonna throw another live session, and they're going, it
20:33
Speaker 2: sounds like, to wait until things look better and they
20:36
Speaker 2: feel confident that they can they can put him out
20:39
Speaker 2: in the game and it will be good for both
20:40
Speaker 2: Ferlander and the team. But uh, yeah, this one's this
20:44
Speaker 2: one's getting pretty weird.
20:49
Speaker 1: Un serious and pretty weird. Those are kind of the
20:53
Speaker 1: themes of of what we're seeing and thus what we
20:55
Speaker 1: have to talk about, which which which brings me to
20:58
Speaker 1: like kind of the overall point of what's kind of
21:01
Speaker 1: dominating my headspace, Cody.
21:02
Speaker 2: For Milton's coming back though maybe Sunday, maybe as soon
21:06
Speaker 2: as Sunday. If not Sunday, probably days after that. So
21:09
Speaker 2: that's encouraging.
21:11
Speaker 1: Real good news there, all right, So real good news there.
21:15
Speaker 1: Let's go to some more bad news. Uh it feels
21:18
Speaker 1: to me, Cody that this season I keep coming back
21:23
Speaker 1: to the word waste, you know, like like there's a
21:27
Speaker 1: lot of wasted time. And I know sometimes wasted times
21:31
Speaker 1: are the best of times, but it's not it's not
21:33
Speaker 1: the case for for the twenty twenty six Tigers, and
21:38
Speaker 1: and and I'm not even framing this as so and
21:44
Speaker 1: so has wasted this season with what they did or whatever.
21:47
Speaker 1: This is not like an assessing Blaine. This is just
21:50
Speaker 1: like optically looking at what this season has been to
21:53
Speaker 1: this point. Obviously, given the team's record and the injury,
21:57
Speaker 1: we are looking at a waste of a of what
21:59
Speaker 1: could be and probably will be the last season of
22:02
Speaker 1: Trek School in a Tiger's uniform. I don't know how
22:05
Speaker 1: you could describe it as anything more positive than that.
22:08
Speaker 1: Is been a wasted opportunity to have one of the
22:10
Speaker 1: best pitchers in baseball. And you I know he's been hurt,
22:13
Speaker 1: but you're twenty and thirty one, fifty one plus games in.
22:19
Speaker 1: Ken McGonagall is going to be a finalist at worst
22:22
Speaker 1: for Rookie of the Year in the American League. You
22:26
Speaker 1: would have thought that that would have been a really
22:28
Speaker 1: good indication of this team if I told you that
22:30
Speaker 1: before the year, and you're kind of you're you know,
22:33
Speaker 1: that's it's a waste of a stellar rookie season. I
22:36
Speaker 1: know he's cooled down, but like we can keep things
22:38
Speaker 1: in perspective with him, and I know he came up
22:42
Speaker 1: short past couple of days in some big spots, but
22:45
Speaker 1: Riley Green has played like MVP discussion level baseball for
22:54
Speaker 1: the entirety of this season. And again, if I would
22:58
Speaker 1: have told you that Riley Green would have been among
22:59
Speaker 1: the leaders like on base and Mattian average and blah
23:02
Speaker 1: blah blah, you would have been, man, what could that
23:04
Speaker 1: do for this team? Unfortunately, not much as it turns out, uh,
23:10
Speaker 1: even though he's had a spectacular season. So we we
23:12
Speaker 1: can focus on those right there, like it's just been wasted.
23:17
Speaker 1: These are like wasted opportunities. And then Casey Mice, who
23:20
Speaker 1: we saw today was he's been excellent since he came
23:23
Speaker 1: back from from his UH from his groin injury. And
23:26
Speaker 1: he's also in a walk here. You mentioned like do
23:28
Speaker 1: you trade him if you just have to? You know,
23:30
Speaker 1: sell sell, sell sell at the deadline, But man, like
23:33
Speaker 1: you're you're getting, You're you're getting like prime maybe best
23:38
Speaker 1: of his career. Casey my is potentially moving forward based
23:41
Speaker 1: on what we've seen this season. Who he had the
23:44
Speaker 1: same war as U or higher war coming into his
23:48
Speaker 1: start today than then Trek Skoogle had one point seven,
23:52
Speaker 1: Like it's like a it's like a Ricky Waters thing
23:56
Speaker 1: coming back to for who for what? He had all
23:58
Speaker 1: these great things going on right now, but because the
24:01
Speaker 1: rest of the roster is either hurt or stinks or
24:04
Speaker 1: ineffective or not well used, it's all for a waste.
24:09
Speaker 1: And I think that's the frustration thing for me, is
24:12
Speaker 1: that I can point to these things that are actual
24:14
Speaker 1: good things, but it's a waste when you're twenty and
24:16
Speaker 1: thirty one. So that's so I don't know if you
24:19
Speaker 1: want to talk about any of those things. Maybe Casey Mice.
24:21
Speaker 1: We haven't given him as flowers.
24:23
Speaker 2: Look, Casey Mice has been really good. Yeah, it's a
24:25
Speaker 2: shame you might be wasting that. If there's hope for
24:28
Speaker 2: maybe why this thing could still get back on track.
24:31
Speaker 2: It is Casey Mice. The Tigers. Again, this isn't over,
24:36
Speaker 2: but they would have to go sixty seven and forty
24:39
Speaker 2: four from here out to match last year's win total.
24:43
Speaker 2: That's slightly, I believe, slightly greater than a six hundred
24:46
Speaker 2: clip starting tomorrow. So don't have a lot of margin, Fayrer.
24:52
Speaker 2: You need Casey Mice to continue to be dominant. If
24:56
Speaker 2: you don't get it together. The good news is his
24:58
Speaker 2: trade value is shooting way up. Riley Green deserves a
25:02
Speaker 2: lot of flowers. Man, this guy's been really good. He's
25:05
Speaker 2: gonna go to the All Star Game again, and you
25:07
Speaker 2: might be wasting another year of Riley Green's prime. Might
25:10
Speaker 2: not last forever. Another thing, Riley Green has played in
25:14
Speaker 2: every game this season, and you can't really afford to
25:19
Speaker 2: take him out of the lineup right now for obvious reasons.
25:22
Speaker 2: You've scored ten runs in your last six games. Terrible.
25:27
Speaker 2: Every year we go through this with Riley. Aj henchon
25:30
Speaker 2: Spring talks about how he's gonna get Riley off his
25:32
Speaker 2: feet more. And then we get into May and June
25:35
Speaker 2: and Riley Green gets run into the ground. Well, guess
25:38
Speaker 2: what it's happening again. That scares me. He's had five dhda's,
25:42
Speaker 2: which is better than nothing. He's only had one game
25:45
Speaker 2: he did not start, and he came in and pinch
25:47
Speaker 2: hit that game. I'm worried that that workload may maybe
25:51
Speaker 2: we saw the last two that may have already be
25:53
Speaker 2: may already be catching up to Riley, and if not,
25:55
Speaker 2: it could soon. And I don't I don't really blame AJ,
25:58
Speaker 2: right now, because where are you gonna do. You can't
26:00
Speaker 2: take this cat out of the lineup, but something to
26:03
Speaker 2: keep an eye on there for as good as he's been.
26:06
Speaker 2: So that comes up. Do we when I hear waste
26:10
Speaker 2: do we want to talk about this? I think waste
26:12
Speaker 2: of money like that is the Tigers, for all things.
26:16
Speaker 2: You can no longer really accuse them of being cheap.
26:19
Speaker 2: They have a top ten payroll, They have the number
26:21
Speaker 2: nine payroll in the game, a franchise record payroll. Should
26:26
Speaker 2: they have done more of this offseason, we could talk
26:28
Speaker 2: about that for hours. They're brushing up against the luxury
26:31
Speaker 2: tax they spent on from ber Valdez. They spent some
26:34
Speaker 2: other places, but trek skouble pretty good investment, making thirty
26:39
Speaker 2: two million abby bias. Look you're stuck with that one
26:43
Speaker 2: from the Avila era fromber Look, he's had some good
26:48
Speaker 2: outings for you, but all things considered as eras in
26:51
Speaker 2: the fours, hasn't hasn't been great so far. It's really
26:55
Speaker 2: not at the top of my list of concerns, but
26:56
Speaker 2: it hasn't been great so far. Making a lot of money.
27:01
Speaker 2: This says twenty two. That's not even including his signing
27:04
Speaker 2: bonus he's making more than that glabor tour as. I mean,
27:09
Speaker 2: he's somewhat reliable, but he's hurt. Right now, you kind
27:12
Speaker 2: of missed a consistent right handed bat. But I kind
27:17
Speaker 2: of double take every time I am reminded that labor
27:19
Speaker 2: Tors is twenty nine years old. I mean, he kind
27:23
Speaker 2: of plays like an old twenty nine and he's not
27:25
Speaker 2: recovering from this injury. Real well, well, he took that
27:30
Speaker 2: qualifying offer that you gave him. You're paying him twenty
27:32
Speaker 2: two million dollars, Jack Flaherty, this says ten again, he's
27:37
Speaker 2: with the signing boss. He's making twenty million this season,
27:41
Speaker 2: and that is a rough spot to be in. Justin
27:45
Speaker 2: Verlander is making a lot of money. Jansen and Finn again,
27:50
Speaker 2: I guess have been pretty good for you. Kyle Finigan
27:53
Speaker 2: walking a lot of people over over performing his expected
27:57
Speaker 2: stats right now. But it's like some of these, some
27:59
Speaker 2: of these contracts at the top of your payroll have
28:02
Speaker 2: not been good. And if you're Scott Harris, you think
28:06
Speaker 2: about what happened with Alex Cobb, what happened with Kintamaeta.
28:09
Speaker 2: There have been some other ones like are you losing
28:12
Speaker 2: trust here? The next winter are you gonna be able
28:16
Speaker 2: to go to Chrisilich and say, hey, we should do
28:18
Speaker 2: this because you did a good job getting Chris Ilich.
28:22
Speaker 2: It sounds like to open up the paybook the checkbook
28:25
Speaker 2: a little bit, and right now what you have to
28:28
Speaker 2: show for it is a disaster of a season. Now
28:32
Speaker 2: we know Chris Zilich is a patient owner. I don't
28:34
Speaker 2: think Scott Harris is getting fired. Sorry for anyone who
28:38
Speaker 2: is on that train like I, but the Harris track record,
28:43
Speaker 2: especially with pitching, is starting to look worse. We all
28:47
Speaker 2: know what the Bats are doing right now. Harris seemed
28:49
Speaker 2: to believe that the offense would improve. It was not.
28:52
Speaker 2: I was always skeptical that the offense wasn't would improve.
28:55
Speaker 2: But would I say a million times their path to
28:57
Speaker 2: the playoffs or ninety wins or whatever, average offense, top
29:01
Speaker 2: five pitching staff, Well, right now you have a blow
29:04
Speaker 2: average offense and an average ish pitching staff that's filled
29:07
Speaker 2: with injuries. Injuries are obviously only part of this. You
29:11
Speaker 2: have a franchise record payroll. You don't have a lot
29:13
Speaker 2: to show for it right now.
29:17
Speaker 1: You know someone who's on that list that not that high,
29:24
Speaker 1: but he is contractually with the team for a while
29:27
Speaker 1: now and and sort of like one of the first
29:31
Speaker 1: leaps that this current administration made, and that's Colt Keith.
29:35
Speaker 1: And Colt Keith is somebody who Cody at this point
29:39
Speaker 1: like he had the hot start. Then it was like
29:41
Speaker 1: when you know, the home run thing hasn't come, and
29:44
Speaker 1: now he's not focused on it and it's still hasn't come.
29:49
Speaker 1: And and now I actually kind of struggle to figure out,
29:53
Speaker 1: like where Colt Keith fits in this puzzle, because you
29:58
Speaker 1: would have thought with glabor hurt that would open up
30:00
Speaker 1: like a ton of like second base opportunities for him,
30:04
Speaker 1: or if or maybe he is like an actual like
30:08
Speaker 1: third basement instead, I just like, you know, it seems
30:11
Speaker 1: like he's mainly a DH, and he's a DH that
30:16
Speaker 1: has a looking at it right now, a three thirty
30:20
Speaker 1: six slugging percentage. And then you look at his Baseball
30:22
Speaker 1: Savant page, you know there's some good stuff athletically, he's
30:26
Speaker 1: eighty eight percentile based running value and seventy nine percentile
30:30
Speaker 1: sprint speed. But there's just no power element to his
30:34
Speaker 1: game right now. And I'm not even talking specifically about
30:37
Speaker 1: home runs, like there's there is there are there there's
30:43
Speaker 1: too many questions with him for me to even get
30:45
Speaker 1: to where he fits in the puzzle. And then when
30:47
Speaker 1: I get to where he fits in the puzzle, I
30:49
Speaker 1: have even more questions. It's hard. It's a hard one
30:51
Speaker 1: to kind of square well.
30:53
Speaker 2: And even the hitting for contact has dried up quickly.
30:56
Speaker 2: His last fifteen games, he's hitting one seventy one kieran
31:00
Speaker 2: with a one ninety five slugging percentage. Cold Keith is
31:05
Speaker 2: what's he listed at six three six four, big sturdy boy.
31:10
Speaker 2: I think he's bigger than that. I don't. I guess.
31:12
Speaker 2: I guess now we have Laiser laser measured height, so
31:15
Speaker 2: we'll go with it. Cold Keith is a big boy man.
31:20
Speaker 2: I would love to be built like him and not
31:22
Speaker 2: hitting for power, you know, like like I don't know.
31:25
Speaker 2: I've defended or been like positive about Cold Keith a lot.
31:28
Speaker 2: He was kind of my breakout pick this year. Did
31:31
Speaker 2: get off to a nice start. It's it's getting hard
31:34
Speaker 2: to like defend this much further. He's just not the
31:39
Speaker 2: player you would like him to be. A body language
31:42
Speaker 2: looks like it's gone back to being tints after all
31:46
Speaker 2: that about the breathing exercises and in the flow state, Like,
31:50
Speaker 2: dude looks tense right now. You're not playing a lot.
31:53
Speaker 2: He's not playing the field hardly at all. I would
31:56
Speaker 2: I guess to still defend Cold Keith like I would
31:58
Speaker 2: argue he should be playing more. I don't like, why
32:03
Speaker 2: is Gauge Workman at third base over Cold Keith? Is
32:06
Speaker 2: the defense really that bad? At least Cold Keith. You
32:10
Speaker 2: feel like you have a chance for something at the plate,
32:13
Speaker 2: But yeah, this is where we're at right now. You
32:16
Speaker 2: have this guy you've extended. He's hitting for no power.
32:19
Speaker 2: He has a tendency to tense up. I think you're
32:22
Speaker 2: a little worried about like the mentals there and a
32:25
Speaker 2: guy who's supposed to be a breakout, supposed to be that,
32:27
Speaker 2: you know, that upward trajectory that seemed to get Scott
32:30
Speaker 2: Harris to double down on this offense. Col Keith in
32:33
Speaker 2: some ways as a poster for like things aren't always
32:36
Speaker 2: that automatic. I don't know. I still like some things
32:39
Speaker 2: about the player, but he's too young to just be
32:42
Speaker 2: a DH and aj Hinch doesn't seem to know quite
32:46
Speaker 2: how to use him. It's harder to justify any of
32:49
Speaker 2: that if he's not hitting for at least some power
32:51
Speaker 2: or at least some average Right now he's gone back
32:53
Speaker 2: to not hitting for average stuff.
32:57
Speaker 1: It is tough, and you know, and and and another
33:00
Speaker 1: thing that's being wasted is with this stretch of play
33:04
Speaker 1: is kind of like the culture and like kind of
33:07
Speaker 1: like the Tigers that we kind of came to like
33:10
Speaker 1: love and you know, the gimmicky parts of it, you know,
33:12
Speaker 1: the gritty tigs and you know all those things. Like
33:18
Speaker 1: it's it kind of reminds me of like twenty twenty
33:22
Speaker 1: Free Cody, where it's like, I don't know how to
33:24
Speaker 1: describe Zach McKinstry. McKinstry getting picked off.
33:28
Speaker 2: It's like a base off when a wheel play, a
33:31
Speaker 2: high school wheel play. He took an extra step and
33:33
Speaker 2: got picked brutally inexcusable. Can't happen.
33:38
Speaker 1: I don't know how to explain that kind of stuff,
33:40
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
33:41
Speaker 2: Don't you don't? It just can't makes me think of
33:43
Speaker 2: the Augie, How the do you get picked off? Just
33:47
Speaker 2: just can't do it.
33:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's almost like so like obvious, like you
33:53
Speaker 1: almost feel weird getting mad about it, Like like even
33:56
Speaker 1: for like a j was like what you know what
34:00
Speaker 1: I mean? Like what are you doing? So so yeah,
34:04
Speaker 1: it's like those little things and even even like even
34:08
Speaker 1: just like the ability to like what are they what
34:11
Speaker 1: are they bragging about right now? If as Tiger as
34:14
Speaker 1: Tiger's like players and coaches, like what are the things
34:17
Speaker 1: that they can brag about and say, see we do
34:19
Speaker 1: this and it's going to lead to this even freaking today,
34:23
Speaker 1: like you defensive positioning, it's a double that allows a run,
34:27
Speaker 1: but it's really just a fly ball the right field,
34:30
Speaker 1: and because you have Wentzel Perez essentially in the alley
34:33
Speaker 1: and right center, like he can't get to that ball.
34:35
Speaker 1: But you know, Casey myis gets gets dinged for an
34:38
Speaker 1: extra base hit and a run on what is more
34:41
Speaker 1: or less a routine fly ball the right field than
34:43
Speaker 1: most any other circumstances.
34:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think Winstle got a great jump on
34:46
Speaker 2: it either. I don't know. No, you don't have a lot.
34:50
Speaker 2: The pitching was actually pretty good this series, for whatever
34:53
Speaker 2: that's worth. Tyler Holton, Drew Innchel was great. Tyler Holton,
34:57
Speaker 2: though it was back to you'd try to be positive
35:00
Speaker 2: out it's Eiler Hold not that long ago. Boy, I'm
35:03
Speaker 2: worried about him right now. Drew Anderson was good. Burch Smith,
35:07
Speaker 2: I gave him run to day, but he's given you
35:09
Speaker 2: some quality innings. Like, I guess that's good sort of ish,
35:13
Speaker 2: that's about it. Trek Schouble through a nice bullpen. That's
35:17
Speaker 2: all I got. Dyan Zingler's a pretty good player. It's
35:19
Speaker 2: all I got. That's all I got. And so that
35:25
Speaker 2: does it leads me back to like I I think,
35:29
Speaker 2: especially you consider what happened in the second half last year,
35:32
Speaker 2: I think something more fundamentally is broken here, and I
35:36
Speaker 2: don't know what it is. Waiting for someone to tell me.
35:40
Speaker 2: Give someone, give me a call and tell me what's
35:42
Speaker 2: really happening here. Please, I'm trying to do a little
35:45
Speaker 2: digging here. I'm just I'm just not coming up with anything.
35:48
Speaker 2: But it has gone past the point of any explanation.
35:52
Speaker 2: And that also has me like what did I miss?
35:56
Speaker 2: Like should we have seen this coming? Because I wasn't
35:58
Speaker 2: necessarily I didn't necessarily even think the Tigers were gonna
36:02
Speaker 2: win ninety games this year unless the offense took a
36:04
Speaker 2: big step forward. But like I thought this was a
36:06
Speaker 2: good team. I thought it was the best roster that
36:09
Speaker 2: Scott Harris had constructed, not a perfect roster, but a
36:12
Speaker 2: pretty good one. You know, you thought they had a
36:14
Speaker 2: little more depth. I think we talked about it, like
36:16
Speaker 2: I didn't see the floor falling out. I thought we
36:19
Speaker 2: were past that. I thought we were past that. I
36:22
Speaker 2: thought they'd probably be a playoff team if they were
36:25
Speaker 2: injured or a few things went wrong. Maybe they underachieve
36:28
Speaker 2: and they win like eighty three games. Maybe it's just
36:34
Speaker 2: wishful thinking that I was past the point of having
36:36
Speaker 2: to cover a team that's in collapse. But here we are,
36:40
Speaker 2: so it doesn't make me wonder like what exactly did
36:42
Speaker 2: I miss? Did I drink too much kool Aid? Again?
36:45
Speaker 2: I wasn't super bullish about the lineup, but I thought
36:48
Speaker 2: it could be enough to get by. And now here
36:51
Speaker 2: we are, and I don't really have a great answer
36:53
Speaker 2: for it.
36:56
Speaker 1: It's gonna make me question track records trusting them as much.
37:02
Speaker 1: It's gonna make me question depth. I think I think
37:08
Speaker 1: this was an example of when like it's like like
37:12
Speaker 1: like a like a raft. It's like when all the
37:14
Speaker 1: pieces are together, you can you can make it work
37:17
Speaker 1: and move it forward, but like one hole quickly becomes
37:21
Speaker 1: two holes, you know what I mean? And and it
37:23
Speaker 1: becomes three holes and you can't just you can't just
37:26
Speaker 1: plug plug them away. And I think I think, like
37:32
Speaker 1: you talk about identity and like all this stuff, I
37:35
Speaker 1: think we probably underrated how crucial it was each of
37:40
Speaker 1: these pieces to make the other piece work. Like Jamai
37:42
Speaker 1: Jones is just not as effective when uh, when the
37:46
Speaker 1: rest of the team isn't as I would say, fruitful
37:51
Speaker 1: at the plate, it's just not as effective. Like I
37:54
Speaker 1: think we probably overrated the isolation aspect of it. I
37:57
Speaker 1: think might be one of the lessons there. Instead of
38:00
Speaker 1: our boy Mike, you or Sitch, everything affects everything. That
38:03
Speaker 1: might be one of the lessons here.
38:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I think, uh, I think trust
38:09
Speaker 2: in your eyes matters. I wonder if that's lacks a
38:12
Speaker 2: little bit in the front office right now. Some of
38:14
Speaker 2: these guys who have had stints of success, Like did
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Speaker 2: you ever really believe Zach McKinstry, Did you ever really
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Speaker 2: believe in Wintle Peariz or you're even Matt Vierling, Like
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Speaker 2: those were guys that I certainly always had levels of
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Speaker 2: doubts about as players. But you see him have taste
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Speaker 2: of success and you're like, well, okay, you start to
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Speaker 2: be able to talk yourself into it a little more.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe you got to go old school
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Speaker 2: and trust your scouts a little more. I don't know,
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Speaker 2: and then they're the aj Hinch factor.
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Speaker 3: Two.
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Speaker 2: Another guy kind of defended a lot. I don't think
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Speaker 2: it's worth sitting here and yelling about every little decision.
38:54
Speaker 2: The Tigers didn't get swept because he didn't bring the
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Speaker 2: infield all the way in and the ninth against the guard, Like,
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Speaker 2: should he have done that? Maybe actually just playing it
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Speaker 2: by the book. There's a runner on second, you should
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Speaker 2: probably have the middle back, so two runs don't score.
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Speaker 2: He played it by the book for playing it more aggressive,
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Speaker 2: that's why he did. Was it right or wrong? I like
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Speaker 2: we could yell about that. We could yell about why
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Speaker 2: Riley Green hit fifth. All that stuff right. Aj Hinch
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Speaker 2: one of the best strategic managers in baseball. He is
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Speaker 2: he's not above approach here, like all this has happened
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Speaker 2: under his watch. The floor fell out from last year's team,
39:28
Speaker 2: the floor's falling out from this year's team. It seems
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Speaker 2: like something inexplicably culturally is wrong. He has his style
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Speaker 2: of managing that's in part of product of the roster
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Speaker 2: he is given and it doesn't work if guys aren't performing.
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Speaker 2: And like, I don't know, I don't think it's aj
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Speaker 2: Hinch's fault. I think if you were to somehow move
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Speaker 2: on from aj Hinch, which isn't gonna happen. He got
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Speaker 2: a contract extension last year, you would have a hard
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Speaker 2: time finding anyone better to do this job. But that
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Speaker 2: doesn't mean he's blameless here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm far from gonna be one of those people
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Speaker 1: that considers aj Hinch the problem. I will also say
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Speaker 1: that if there was ever a time to self scout
40:16
Speaker 1: fifty plus games into a season, now might be the time. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And that would be my advice. Now, it's hard to do,
40:23
Speaker 1: but that would be my advice there. I would say,
40:27
Speaker 1: don't be afraid to self scout a little bit and
40:30
Speaker 1: kind of maybe figure out where your blind spots are.
40:32
Speaker 1: And maybe those blind spots are part of the problem,
40:35
Speaker 1: and maybe you can do something about it, but maybe
40:37
Speaker 1: you can't. Maybe you can, maybe you gotta wait until
40:40
Speaker 1: this team gets a little healthier, and then you know,
40:42
Speaker 1: kind of hope for the best. We'll see. All right,
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Speaker 1: that's enough, you know, just roast colored and Sonny and
40:50
Speaker 1: Cheery talk for for Auray for a Thursday evening, Cody,
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Speaker 1: anything else before we jet out of here.
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Speaker 2: Wow, we're forty minutes. I could keep going, which probably
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Speaker 2: call it which probably call it part of the problem, right,
41:05
Speaker 2: Everyone wants a level of accountability. That's why people turn
41:08
Speaker 2: to well, fire the manager, fire the hitting coach, Like
41:12
Speaker 2: at some level there does have to be like that
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Speaker 2: is part of what's frustrating here is like they're not
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Speaker 2: even making roster moves. I don't know. I don't really
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Speaker 2: think they should fire anybody. And beyond that, I don't
41:23
Speaker 2: think they are going to fire anyone based on what
41:26
Speaker 2: we know about about this owner and things like that.
41:30
Speaker 2: It's very okay to be frustrated right now. I hope
41:33
Speaker 2: this was therapeutic for some of you listeners. I think
41:35
Speaker 2: it was helpful for me to just talk some of
41:36
Speaker 2: these things out. They're about to go play a Baltimore
41:39
Speaker 2: team that they're a little bit of a mirror image
41:41
Speaker 2: of maybe they'll have a nice weekend in Baltimore and
41:44
Speaker 2: like there will at least be some hope to cling too,
41:47
Speaker 2: because otherwise obviously things things have gotten pretty dark.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, save all the thoughts that are left over, because
41:55
Speaker 1: chances are we gonna have another opportunity to address them here.
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42:16
Speaker 1: I said, having a little therapy session here as we
42:18
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