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Joe Rogan Experience _2542 - Steve Hilton(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast
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  Speaker 1: by night, all day.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, man. What's going on?
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  Speaker 1: For people who don't know, you and I have been
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  Speaker 1: friends for, God, more than 10 years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: How many years has it been?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's... 14 years? I think it's the year
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  Speaker 2: we got here. Which is 14, 2012. Yeah. When we
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  Speaker 2: moved from England.
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  Speaker 1: We met in Hawaii on the beach with our kids.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so what's your memory? I was just thinking about
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  Speaker 2: that because I have a very particular memory of that.
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  Speaker 1: My memory was that my children and your children were
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  Speaker 1: playing on the beach.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: That's how we met. It was just, they were like
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  Speaker 1: digging in sand. They were real little. They were the
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  Speaker 1: same age. And then we just said hi.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But I remember, okay, I have a slightly different memory.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what's yours?
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  Speaker 2: Which is like, that's exactly right about the kids.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Two girls for you, two boys for me. And your
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  Speaker 2: wife was there first before.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. I think I was in the gym and then
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  Speaker 1: I came out of the gym. And I.
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  Speaker 2: Just remember, remember I've just moved from England and it's
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  Speaker 2: a whole different world and a different culture. And I
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  Speaker 2: just remember you walking down the beach. I've never seen
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  Speaker 2: anyone like this before. It was just an amazing cultural moment.
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  Speaker 1: You'd never seen anyone walk on the beach?
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  Speaker 2: No, just the way you were. I remember thinking, who's
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  Speaker 2: this guy? I remember I'd never heard of you. And
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  Speaker 2: then I was explaining to people, Joe Rogan, you met
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  Speaker 2: Joe Rogan. It was just an amazing thing. And then
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  Speaker 2: the other thing that makes me laugh doing this is
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  Speaker 2: that We then did the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: At some point around then.
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  Speaker 1: This is before you had any aspirations of running for
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  Speaker 1: governor or anything like that.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: It was a long time ago.
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  Speaker 2: I just moved. I was teaching at Stanford, just having
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  Speaker 2: a very normal kind of low key life. And I
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  Speaker 2: really remember doing the podcast, not knowing what a podcast was.
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  Speaker 2: I literally didn't know. So we came in and I, again, I,
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  Speaker 2: my experience was I'd been in England and Um, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'd worked in business, run a restaurant or two, that
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  Speaker 2: kind of thing. But most recently I'd been in politics
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  Speaker 2: and government and started in the media. I was aware
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  Speaker 2: of all of that. And so, you know, it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: like I was completely naive, but I didn't know what
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  Speaker 2: a podcast was. And I literally thought it was like
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  Speaker 2: a radio show or something. I remember coming in, this
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  Speaker 2: is back in LA and we sat down and we
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  Speaker 2: were chatting for a few minutes and I literally was thinking.
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  Speaker 2: When's the next guest coming? This seems to be going
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  Speaker 2: on a really long time. And it's like 10 minutes
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  Speaker 2: and then 15. Wow, this is a long time. Normally
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  Speaker 2: you get like 10, 15 minutes maximum.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Half an hour. What? An hour?
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  Speaker 1: Three hours.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, back then.
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  Speaker 2: I really didn't know.
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  Speaker 1: No one knew what a podcast was.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So what year was it that Steve was on? He
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  Speaker 1: was on episode 509, June, July 3rd of 2014. 2014? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Whoa. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: 2014, episode what 09? 509. We were already.
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  Speaker 2: 509?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. 509.
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  Speaker 1: So we've had 2,000 podcasts since then. Incredible. And wow. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: 12 years.
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  Speaker 2: That's 12 years ago.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy. The other thing, just remembering, you know, I'd
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  Speaker 2: never really done anything public. I was like a behind-the-scenes guy.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: In politics and government. And I'd just come out of that.
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  Speaker 2: And I was very kind of cautious about everything. And
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  Speaker 2: you were just talking like you do. Which, again, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't really know. And you were... I remember thinking, God,
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  Speaker 2: this is like... We're talking about sex. And you were cursed.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, wow.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: What is this? Like, this is so different to anything
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  Speaker 2: I've ever encountered before. But there we are.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody was listening back then. It was nice. You
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  Speaker 1: could get away with so much more. You could just
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  Speaker 1: talk and not worry about it. And also social media
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  Speaker 1: was not as big of a deal.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you worry about it when you're talking.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't pay attention. That's the key. That's the
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  Speaker 1: key to my success. This is like, don't listen to anybody,
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  Speaker 1: what anybody has to say about you. Just keep moving.
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  Speaker 1: Keep moving and don't pay attention.
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  Speaker 2: I think that obviously works.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think there's a lot of people out there
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  Speaker 1: that are crippled by other people's opinions. I think there's
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  Speaker 1: a genuine benefit to having a bunch of other people's
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  Speaker 1: opinions of you and you get to see feedback, but
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  Speaker 1: there's just way too many bad faith actors on the internet.
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  Speaker 1: There's way too many people that have the least charitable
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  Speaker 1: takes on everybody. The worst, the worst, like, Public narration,
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  Speaker 1: like public narratives that they want to promote about anyone
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  Speaker 1: or anything, about any subject. There's far too many people
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  Speaker 1: like that. And it's a poison well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's like if you went to a restaurant and you
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  Speaker 1: knew that 20% of their food would literally fucking kill you,
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  Speaker 1: would you ever eat there?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's like Twitter. Twitter. 20% of the people there
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  Speaker 1: are fucking poisonous. They're like a coral snake.
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  Speaker 2: It's so funny because I've just been... So when we met,
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  Speaker 2: I was just kind of a regular citizen, teaching at
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  Speaker 2: Stanford or whatever. Then I started a business. Then I
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  Speaker 2: got more public. I went to Fox, hosted a show there.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm a candidate. And as that's happened, you get
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  Speaker 2: more prominent. And so you look at these comments. And
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  Speaker 2: I never know whether to look, but the thing that
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  Speaker 2: I really... just makes me laugh now. It's like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: always tempted to do it and I never do it.
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  Speaker 2: Like the really idiotic, just pure abuse. Like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Like I do, I put something out there and now
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot more of this. I'm a candidate. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: go back to England, you fucking cunt.
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  Speaker 1: Or you bald, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And like, I always, I always want to write Good point.
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  Speaker 2: It's just so tempting. And I never have. Maybe I should.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of sad.
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  Speaker 2: Because it just makes me laugh.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of sad, angry people out there that
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  Speaker 1: are just lashing out. And unfortunately, those are overly represented
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  Speaker 1: online because those are the type of people that have
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  Speaker 1: the time to make comments. But then you also have
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  Speaker 1: to take into consideration whenever you're involved in anything political,
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  Speaker 1: as you obviously are, because you're running for governor of California.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of the people that are engaging with
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  Speaker 1: your content that are not real people.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you mean actual bots? 100%. Okay, that part I
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  Speaker 2: never have in my mind.
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  Speaker 1: You don't?
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  Speaker 2: No, I should. It's a good point. Keep going.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's a tremendous amount. It's not a small amount.
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  Speaker 1: It's a huge amount.
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  Speaker 2: Does Elon... There's.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing you can do about it. It was a point
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  Speaker 1: of contention when he was buying Twitter. So when he
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  Speaker 1: was buying Twitter, Twitter was alleging that there was only 5%.
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  Speaker 1: 5% of Twitter with bots. But see if you can
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  Speaker 1: find that article again. There's a former FBI. God, he
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  Speaker 1: did something with digital intelligence. And he did a forensic
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  Speaker 1: analysis of Twitter. And he said it's probably 80%.
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  Speaker 2: 80.
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  Speaker 1: 80.
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  Speaker 2: Jeez.
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  Speaker 4: 8-0.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a bunch of bots yelling at you. And
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  Speaker 1: by bots, okay, some of them I think now, and
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  Speaker 1: this is at the time, so this is 2022. When
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  Speaker 1: did he buy Twitter? 2023?
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  Speaker 3: 2024?
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  Speaker 1: 2024? I think older than.
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  Speaker 2: Was it 24?
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember. I think it was like. Somewhere in 23, 24, yeah. Yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So back then, AI was not as much of an issue, right? Like, AI,
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  Speaker 1: you can automate anything now. So the claim that 80%
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  Speaker 1: of Twitter originates from a 2022 assessment by cybersecurity expert
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  Speaker 1: Dan Woods, while official company filings have historically claimed fake accounts.
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  Speaker 1: represent under 5% independent estimates and security specialists suggest real
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  Speaker 1: figures are higher, though an exact 80% total remains heavily debated.
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  Speaker 1: It's very debated, but if you read the article, he
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  Speaker 1: goes over, it's very meticulous. Like the way he's describing,
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  Speaker 1: it's not like he's pulling it out of his ass.
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  Speaker 1: So what they did, what Twitter did to come up
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  Speaker 1: with 5% was they just grabbed a random 100 tweets.
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  Speaker 1: But also they're trying to sell it for fucking billions
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  Speaker 1: of dollars. What was it like 40 billion?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Something crazy. Wasn't it?
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember the numbers.
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  Speaker 1: Wasn't it $ 40 billion? Fucking insane amount of money for this.
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  Speaker 1: What is now just chaos. You know, it's funny. So
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  Speaker 1: there's that. And so this guy's saying 80%. So again,
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  Speaker 1: this is a few years ago. So you're dealing with
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  Speaker 1: actual humans who are doing it. So you have, These
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  Speaker 1: state-sponsored groups that are, there's these bot farms. And what
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  Speaker 1: these bot farms are, I don't know if you've ever
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  Speaker 1: seen them, but people have gone inside and filmed them,
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  Speaker 1: like whistleblowers. And what they literally have is rows and
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  Speaker 1: rows of Android phones that are all connected to keyboards.
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  Speaker 2: So your phone's without people? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And they'll type one thing. And that one thing gets
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  Speaker 1: tweeted by hundreds and hundreds of phones. And there's many
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  Speaker 1: of these places. And this was back before you could
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  Speaker 1: get AI to automate things for you. Now you could
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  Speaker 1: do a thing where you can essentially start a camp. online.
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  Speaker 1: Like say Steve Hilton's a cunt. Pass it on. And
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  Speaker 1: literally they will– You could hire a company, and this
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  Speaker 1: company has bots that will go out there and promote
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  Speaker 1: that Steve Hilton is a cunt. And they will put
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  Speaker 1: it everywhere. They'll hire people. They'll pay people. This is
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  Speaker 1: another thing. There's a bunch of, like, really bad actors,
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  Speaker 1: really bad faith actors on Twitter that are paid to
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  Speaker 1: post things. And these people have been called out many
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  Speaker 1: times by other people that are independent journalists that say,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it crazy that all these people use the.
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  Speaker 2: Same language at the same time?
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  Speaker 1: They're getting paid. They're getting paid quite a bit of money.
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  Speaker 1: Israel pays people. They've been pretty open about it. And
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  Speaker 1: they were saying that we have to win the digital
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  Speaker 1: war against what they call the woke Reich, which is hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: So there's that. So you have to like when you're engaged,
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  Speaker 1: like I know real people on Twitter. I know real
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  Speaker 1: people that I read their posts and I know there's
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  Speaker 1: real independent journalists. But there's a tremendous amount of just
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  Speaker 1: utter horseshit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have time. I have no time for that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I look at it. Um, so cause you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're running around, you're doing all these things for the campaign, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't have too much time. It's the one
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  Speaker 2: I look at, but there's all the other, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's Instagram and all the rest. And I didn't even
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  Speaker 2: look at those, but one X, you know, for a
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  Speaker 2: few hours, you know, if you add it up probably
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  Speaker 2: half an hour in the morning, maybe half an hour
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of the day, half an hour at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the day. And you look at it
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  Speaker 2: then and you just find out what's going on. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's pretty good for news. Like things that are happening.
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  Speaker 1: It's the best thing in the world for news.
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  Speaker 2: So that's why I check in with you. You kind
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  Speaker 2: of see what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: I do that. I go to the front page, like
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  Speaker 1: what's going on? What are the news stories? But as
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  Speaker 1: soon as it gets to people's opinions on things, blah, blah, blah,
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  Speaker 1: not listening.
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  Speaker 2: I just think it's fun. Honestly, the abuse stuff, it
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  Speaker 2: just makes me laugh. Does it?
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  Speaker 1: That's good. Well, you've always been really good digitally. Like
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  Speaker 1: for people that don't know, like I said, Steve and
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  Speaker 1: I have known each other for a long time. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we're good friends. Like, we've taken our families to Disneyland. Yeah, like,
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  Speaker 1: we've slept over each other's homes. This is, again, way
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  Speaker 1: before you were running for governor. I know you. And
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  Speaker 1: you know me and you know my family. We know
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  Speaker 1: each other. And you've always had no phone. You were
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  Speaker 1: always impossible to reach. I used to have to get
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  Speaker 1: a hold of your wife to get a hold of you.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: It was hilarious. For a while, I don't even know
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  Speaker 1: if you've had a fucking email for a while.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't have email. I always had email.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But you never had anything on you to check
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  Speaker 1: that email. So like exactly that's right one time in
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  Speaker 1: San Diego where.
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  Speaker 2: You always said it's fine. Nothing ever goes wrong.
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  Speaker 1: But this was the thing is like you were well
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  Speaker 1: aware that it is a toxic element in your life
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  Speaker 1: And it's distracting it keeps you from being present. It
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  Speaker 1: keeps you from being in the moment and And it's
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  Speaker 1: very hard to have discipline and just put it down.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm really good at it, but then I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: Some days I'm not. I just find myself on the
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  Speaker 1: toilet for 20 minutes watching murder videos. Because my Instagram,
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  Speaker 1: it's actually really good right now.
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  Speaker 2: Well, actually, you mean like true crime stuff?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, horrible things. So one of my best friends, Tom Segura,
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  Speaker 1: he– And I have had this tradition over the last
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  Speaker 1: few years of sending each other the worst fucking shit
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  Speaker 1: that we find online to each other just to freak
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  Speaker 1: each other out first thing in the morning. Like first
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  Speaker 1: thing in the morning I wake up and Tom sent
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  Speaker 1: me Like the other day I sent him, these two
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  Speaker 1: guys were trying to rob an ATM machine. And the
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  Speaker 1: guy's pulling on it and they wrapped a chain around
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  Speaker 1: it and they had a car.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds like a movie.
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  Speaker 1: That was pulling.
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  Speaker 2: Like some ridiculous scene.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. So the car was pulling the ATM machine
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  Speaker 1: out and the guy got trapped under it and dragged
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  Speaker 1: with sparks and blood. I mean, it's fucking horrific. And
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen so many people get executed. Hundreds. Hundreds.
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  Speaker 1: Instagram is terrible at removing that stuff. I don't know if...
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  Speaker 1: I spend far less time on X because X is
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  Speaker 1: so much opinions. So much of it is just text. Instagram,
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  Speaker 1: for me, a lot of it is very interesting. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I find interesting historical facts, interesting scientific discoveries. Cool stuff.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of cool stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It seems to be just generally when I'm around... You know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm on planes a lot. And, like, all the time.
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  Speaker 2: And you see people... So just watching people. Instagram seems
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  Speaker 2: to be the thing... I'm not watching what they're looking at.
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  Speaker 2: You can see the logo and you can see that
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  Speaker 2: seems to be what people are most consuming on Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's probably the biggest one. Maybe TikTok's probably
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  Speaker 1: the biggest.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what's the biggest, but they're both pretty
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  Speaker 1: big and it's just mindless.
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  Speaker 2: TikTok's probably younger.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. But there's a lot of older people
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  Speaker 1: on TikTok too now. It's just very addictive. TikTok, when
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  Speaker 1: you open it up, it immediately starts playing you something.
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  Speaker 1: That's different. You know, like Instagram, it opens the page
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  Speaker 1: and you go, so what's going on? And you have to, like,
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  Speaker 1: put in a little effort. TikTok's like, gotcha. Like, immediately,
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  Speaker 1: as soon as you open up the app, it's like, gotcha,
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  Speaker 1: here's another one, here's another one, here's another one. Next
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  Speaker 1: thing you know, an hour's gone by and you've wasted it.
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  Speaker 2: I remember when I first read about it, like, years ago, TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: I think it maybe even wasn't called TikTok. It was
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  Speaker 2: ByteDance were doing it, and it was music video. There's
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  Speaker 2: something to do, and that's how it started. You could
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  Speaker 2: make your own video to music or something to do
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  Speaker 2: with music was the focus.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the original TikTok was a bunch of people dancing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. They were TikTok dancing. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were dancing and lip syncing.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember reading and they were talking about how
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  Speaker 2: viral it's gotten and this thing is going to take over.
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  Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, yeah, that can't be. That's
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  Speaker 2: not going to happen. And then now look where we are. Amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what's really interesting is China, where TikTok originated, They
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  Speaker 1: have a completely different TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Their TikTok is curated to, like, martial arts demonstrations, scientific discoveries.
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  Speaker 1: It's all athletic achievements.
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  Speaker 2: Music, kids playing the violin, all that stuff. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: It's all, like, enriching.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: It shows you can do that.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and kids aren't even allowed on it after 10 p.m. So, like,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: you have to put in your age when you do it,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: and at 10 p.m. it bricks you. Go to work, bitch.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Go to sleep. Get up in the morning and now.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: TikTok does that. I can't remember. I've read that.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: The Chinese version of TikTok. So the Chinese version of TikTok.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: And the government makes them do that.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Well, they do. Yeah. They're smart. Like, it's not good
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: to censor people. But if you want to have a
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: society that's not captured by horseshit.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: That's the way to do it.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: So I remember back. So I'm Hungarian. My parents are Hungarian.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: When I was a kid, I was born in England,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: but we'd go back to Hungary. And this thing I
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: always remember being really pissed off about when I was
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: a kid. Not that the TV was before anything. It
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: was just TV. So all you had was television. But
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: on Mondays in Hungary, there was no television because they
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: wanted people to do other stuff.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Just on Monday?
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe I'm getting this wrong. And it was like,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: go out, talk to each other, do stuff, sports, whatever.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: And it was communist regime, so they can do whatever
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: they want.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: But you think, you know, they were thinking that.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I prefer freedom, but.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what I think about all of this. It's
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: so hard. Like, even when you look at, like, just today,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: there's this massive trial, this Meta trial going on.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: What's going on?
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Meta, it's a lawsuit. Today's the first day of the trial.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: What is the trial about?
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: They're suing Meta for $ 1. 4 trillion. Trillion? Trillion. Trillion with
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: a T.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're not going to get that, but that's
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: the claim.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: It was just today. Claims that addicted children to social media. Yeah.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: And they're doing this through lawsuits. And I'm just so
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: torn over this because I've got a very strong point
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: of view about all of this and kids.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: But there's something about this that doesn't feel right in
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: terms of just going after these big platforms. Because in
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: the end, I think it's the phones. It's the, there'll
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: be something else. If it's not meta, it'll be another thing.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, I wrote about this year, 2015. So soon
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: after we did that show. I was probably working on
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: it at the time. I published a book called More Human,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Designing a World Where People Come First. And the kind
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: of main thing in the book was everything's too big
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: and bureaucratic and centralized and we've got to get back
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: to the human scale. So it's mainly about other kinds
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: of policy areas. But I did write about this thing
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: in kids and tech. And I said at the time,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: kids under 16, I said then, shouldn't have smartphones. You
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: can give them other phones to stay in touch, but smartphones,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: bad idea. It's the screens. And so I see all
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: this going on. And I think, yeah, have a go
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: at Meta or whatever. WhatsApp or YouTube, I think they're
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: coming for as well.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: They're coming for YouTube. That's interesting. Yeah, they are.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: There's already been a couple.
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  Speaker 1: it's weird. It's like user-created television.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: I think it's the screens, though.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Right, but the screen is the problem, right? It's not
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: the content creators.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: And if they are coming after YouTube, then they're kind
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: of coming after me, right? Because, like, I'm making people
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: addicted to listening to people talk. How are you going
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• 20:49
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• 20:53
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  Speaker 1: potentially including parental verification for teen accounts, changes to recommendation
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: algorithms characterized as dopamine manipulating, removing or limiting like counts,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: infinite scroll, autoplay, appearance-altering filters, multiple accounts, and Disappearing content
• 21:16
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• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I know so they're trying to really mic for a manage.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what's disappearing content such as stories is kind of
• 21:24
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• 21:28
  Speaker 1: a bow hunter and he goes hunting and he's his
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Instagram stories and depict each day of these hunts. And
• 21:37
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• 21:40
  Speaker 1: he goes deep into the Colorado Rockies by himself for
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: like 28 days. And he's like camping out in the snow.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: And it's cool. It's cool to watch. So it's not
• 21:49
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• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I agree. Because they're not going to make it good
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: for us.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: I totally agree.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: There's not a chance in hell.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's just... Manipulating.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: They're getting involved and they'll probably get them to give
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: them some money.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: And then when you start getting it, and you could
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: just imagine these bureaucrats sitting around micromanaging. I mean, they've
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: got too much of that already. 100%. Yeah.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: One of the things that we.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: So I get it's a problem, but this isn't the
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: way to go.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: No, no. You know, there's a relaunch of MySpace that is... Yes.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: And so MySpace is apparently attempting to relaunch and be algorithm-free.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: And this is their idea. They're thinking the algorithms are
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: designed to keep you engaged and get you dependent and
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: get you hooked. And they're doing it by making you
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: outraged for the most part, right? And what they want
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: to say is, look, why don't you just find what
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: you want to find and we'll have it on here?
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Which is probably a lot better.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Because, you know, my feed would be all things only
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: that I'm interested in, not things that piss me off.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Well, that was the big change they made to the
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: news feed versus what you were doing. Yes.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Incredibly confident incredibly like potent in its impact on children
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: in particular and me I'm a child I'm a little
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: kid I fucking I get hooked we all get hooked
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: you get hooked on nonsense and just paying attention to
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: stupid things and it just eats time and that's what
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: is that's the commodity the commodity is your attention.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly but you've got with kids I hear actually
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: all the time it's not discussed like a political issue
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: like we talk about gas prices whatever But then I've
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: done a lot of events last, whatever, year and a half.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Like really a lot. Thousands and thousands of people sometimes.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Big events, small round tables. You hear a lot of people.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: And the first set of things they talk to you about,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: because they think you're a candidate. This is politics. Let's
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: talk about taxes and gas prices and the kinds of
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: things that you think they sort of assume to be
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: part of the political conversation. But then when you raise
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: something like that, like the kids and the screens, that
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: totally changes the conversation. And suddenly they're like intense and
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: kind of really kind of angry in a totally different way.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: In what way?
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: It's like, what are we supposed to do? It's like,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: for parents, it's like with the screens and the social
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: media and then the video games and now it's AI
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: and they're talking to AI and then the AI is
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: doing the homework. Like, what are we supposed to do?
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up video games. Because video games
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: are far more addictive than social media. Video games are
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: insanely addictive, and no one's trying to get rid of them.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: It's because these things can change the way people think.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: They can change public opinion, and they can move people
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: in certain directions. I attribute it to the rise of
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the democratic socialists. I attribute it to the rise. I mean,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of this manipulation. These ideas like people
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: are really getting, oh, maybe being socialist is cool. Like
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: this is all coming out of social media, 100%. It's
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: not natural that people are sitting around, you know, reading
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Marx and going, what a great idea. Like, let's implement this.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: They're not doing that. Very few of these quote unquote
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Marxists that you find on social media are even aware
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: of the consequences, the historical consequences. Yeah. of these strategies
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: and what it ultimately leads to, which is like checkers.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: It's like real simple. Like, you're going to have a
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: military that controls everything you do. As soon as you
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: give up everything to the state, well, the state has
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: the guns and you have nothing.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: And then they tell you what to do.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: They tell you what to do.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: It sucks. It doesn't mean that that's the way to
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: do it because capitalism is brutal. Yeah, capitalism needs some
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: fucking guardrails. That's what it is.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: For sure.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Everything needs to be. But you've got, like, No, I
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: totally agree. I always joke about it, but it's kind
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: of true. It's like Mamdani with the state-run grocery stores.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: We had that when I was a kid. I literally
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: went to them in Hungary. It was a communist state.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: There was only state-run grocery stores. I saw them. There's
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: one at the end of the block where my grandma lived,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: and I would go there in the morning to get
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: whatever it was, and it's just terrible.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: It's really... I'm very torn on social safety nets. I
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: think we should have them because I think a person
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: who's down on their luck where things go wrong, like
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: a woman who has children and her husband dies and
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: she doesn't have an income. And now, Oh my God,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I have to feed these children.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: We should have social safety nets. I also think social
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: safety debts encourage people to rely on them and have
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: zero ambition. I think both those things are true.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why I'm so, um, I've always been against,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: I can see the argument for, but I've always been
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: against this universal basic income type thing. Um, There's an
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: argument for it where it's like quite a low level.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: And the original guy that I think used to argue
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: for that was on the right, Milton Friedman.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: And Charles Murray, I think, also argued for it coming
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: from the right. But their version of it was to
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: replace everything else. So you wouldn't have any other benefits.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't have any other government services. Right.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: No Medicaid. No nothing.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Just an amount of money based from very simple, less bureaucratic.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: And that's it. But this is not what's being argued now.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: No, I think that would actually probably be financially more
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: efficient because you would radically reduce the amount of government.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Exactly, and the bureaucracy.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, radically reduce the amount of people that have control
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: over other people. Exactly. And you would say, listen, we're
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: going to cut out the middleman and just give the
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: money to people. That's not a bad idea.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: So I got, and it was very funny, like you
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: say these things, before you ever imagine being a candidate,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: And they come back and it gets sort of twisted.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Part of the problem with welfare is, and this is
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: going to sound completely like I'm contradicting myself, but it's
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: not enough money. You barely live.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Well, this is exactly what I was saying. So I
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: was in that book, I think in that book, the
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: 2015 book, More Human, I had this idea based on
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: what you're talking about, which is actually for a lot
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: of people, things like the minimum wage, for example, is just,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: you can't live on it, especially like in California now.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: But in a lot of places, it's so low, the
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: costs are so high, you can't live on it. And
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of people working really hard, like not
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: lazy on the couch playing video, seriously hardworking people, often
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: two jobs, who can't live on what they make. It's
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: like really wrong, I think. If you work so hard,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: you should be able to live on it. So I
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: had this idea, which was the business-friendly living wage. And
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: the idea was... You increase the minimum wage to a
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: living wage, which is calculated.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: What do you think that would be?
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Well, it's by area. It's different everywhere. You know, in California,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: in a lot of places, it would be incredibly high.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: You know, a lot of really high levels.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: $ 30 or $ 40 an hour?
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Well, because you've got now in certain counties in California,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: more than, I think it goes up the whole time,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: the official government level for low income is $ 100, 000 a year.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Low income.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy?
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: It's crazy because it costs a lot.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: When I was a kid, if you made $ 100, 000, you
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: were killing it. I know. My dad makes $ 100, 000. I'm like, whoa.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, so in my campaign, I had this. One of
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: my first things was no state income tax. under $ 100, 000.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I got the working class tax. A lot of people
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: nationally said, that's so high. Why are you rewarding rich people? Actually,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: the feedback we got in the primary was that's too low.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: And there's a ton of people in California making, I
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: don't know, $ 120, 000, that sort of thing, who can barely live.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: because everything's so expensive. You're in LA or somewhere expensive.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: So we've raised it to 150 tax-free. But going back
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: to the living wage thing, that's obviously really tough for
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: a business to pay that kind of level. I used
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: to run, I ran a restaurant. You'd be killed by
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: that kind of high thing. But at the same time
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: as you've got businesses paying people for full-time work that
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: they can't live on, the businesses are also paying taxes,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: payroll tax, all this stuff. They're paying to the government.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: And then the government is taking it and handing it
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: back to the workers in benefits and welfare. So my
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: thing was, why don't you just cut out the middleman
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: and have the businesses pay the workers, not the government?
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: And then the net effect for business is about the same. Well,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: that would be the goal. So they're paying their workers more.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Is it the same amount?
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Like, are they literally? That doesn't make any sense. Because, like,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: what is minimum wage in California right now?
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just gone up. It depends where you're looking. $ 15? No,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: $ 16 and a bit. And then for fast food, it's $ 20.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: And they wanted it for.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Healthcare workers, $ 25. That was a recent thing, though, right?
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: And a lot of people pushed back against that. And
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: they wound up cutting a lot of jobs.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that went through. So it was $ 20 for fast
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: food workers.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: And then it immediately cut a bunch of jobs.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And put in automation.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's got to be some jobs that
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: are entry-level jobs for kids. Yes, and that's really important.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: The problem is you're.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Not supposed to make a living off of that. You're
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: supposed to be a kid that's learning how to work.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: You show up on time. You get your paycheck. You
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: realize the taxes get cut out of it. You're like, what?
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: All that stuff. It's good for kids to have. But
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: once you get past entry-level jobs, then, okay, like if
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: someone's a landscaper or someone's doing– this is a job.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: You work 40 hours a week. Mm-hmm. Paying someone $ 15
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: an hour to work 40 hours a week is kind
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: of brutal.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's horrible. Exactly.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: You barely can get by.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: But because we've built all of this bureaucracy, certainly in California,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: all I really know is California, and just the level
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: of the government in all its forms is so big,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: you're paying all these taxes. And the taxes are coming
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: out in all these hidden ways. Gas taxes. Housing taxes
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: that they don't call a housing tax, but is that
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: everywhere you look they've got these things that they're charging
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: you right but which makes everything more expensive and What
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: what do you get for it this bloated bureaucratic government?
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: That's not actually helping it is actually making it harder
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: to run a business harder to build anything and so
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I think that's And this is the ice to call
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: it this doom loop that the Democrats who in charge
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: even they they get it right they get the people
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: are really struggling and people can't afford stuff. So what's
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: their response? Oh, we got to, you know, make, give
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: them more welfare benefit. We've got to take, put taxes
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: up in order to get more money to redistribute. But
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: that just makes everything more expensive. They never think about, well,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: why don't we just cut the costs? Why don't we
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: just reduce the amount that we're taking so that people
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: can have more? Yeah.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: But then they would have to cut out their slush fund.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Because that's really what it is. It's a big ass
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: slush fund. One of the things that we pointed out
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: was that the number of people that are moving to
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: California and even living in California, it shrank, but government doubled. Yes.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: There's so many insane facts like that. Right.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Well, they say, oh, we've created so many jobs. Like, really?
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Have you? Have you really created an actual job? Or
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: have you figured out another way to increase the government
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: and make more taxes work for whatever the fuck NGO
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: you have or nonprofit you have? Someone pointed out that
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: there's this guy, this guy, these really funny reels on
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Instagram and how much things cost. versus what you could
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: get for. And he was talking about some new thing
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: they're doing for the convention center. It's like a $ 5
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: billion renovation. And he was listing all the different things.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: And one of them that you could give every single
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: person on Skid Row some fucking preposterous amount of money.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: And you just realize, oh, they don't want to fix
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: any of this. The people that are working for the homeless,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: he was talking about the average salary was like $ 800, 000.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: There was just one last week.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: This woman runs a homeless nonprofit, $ 1. 6 million a year salary.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Homeless nonprofit.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Nonprofit.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: And she's killing it.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Exactly. There's another one.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: She's a millionaire.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: There's another one yesterday. He's like, I don't know, some business. Again,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: it's a nonprofit, $ 2. 6 million a year.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: And here's the most important thing. the homelessness only got worse.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Like in the private sector, imagine if you were a
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: CEO of a company that was just losing insane amounts
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: of money and never completing its tasks, never doing the
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: thing that it set out to do.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: This is the main thing. I think it's like the
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: more I look at it, the more insane it is.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: And everyone just looks at it and no one's ever
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: pointed this stuff out. Like they all just, the government
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: just makes everything so expensive in California. Everyone says, Oh,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: it's so expensive. What are we going to do? We'd
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: better give them more welfare benefits.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Well, we'd better have a billionaire wealth tax.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Billionaire wealth tax.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Or steal money from the richest people without addressing fraud
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: and waste at all.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: But by the way, the richest people already pay about
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: half the income tax, the top 1%. Yes.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: There's a small number of people in California alone that
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: are responsible for an extraordinary amount of the tax base.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Just a very small number of people. And you're scaring
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: them away.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: But they don't have that mentality of cutting costs. Because
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: they get paid no matter what.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Exactly. This is what I said during COVID. I said,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I think the mayor should get paid dependent upon the
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: GDP of the city.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: So if you lose 70% of the restaurants, which Los
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Angeles did during COVID, Garcetti should have lost 70% of
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: his paycheck. If you lose like 70% of businesses, you
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: should lose 70% of your income. And I guarantee you
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: they would be more friendly to business if that happened.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And they don't care. And this is what happens.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: I think when you've got this one party rule thing
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: that's been going on for 16 years now, they've run everything.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: They don't care. because they think they'll be in power forever,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: and it just doesn't matter.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: And it seems like they will. Look what they did
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: to Spencer Pratt.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I know, it's crazy.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: What they did to Spencer Pratt was so transparent that
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: even Democrats admit there's something weird about the fact that
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Nithya Raman all of a sudden got way more votes
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: than Karen Bass in the mail-ins. And people voted for
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: an increase in taxes. I know.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: It's just.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense. Nobody votes for an increase
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: in taxes.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: And actually, in recent years in California, anything like that
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: has been voted down. Right. In the last few years.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: And it was only the mail-in ballots that turned it.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Well, this is the... They're fucking dirty. Well, people bring
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: it up the whole time. And I say, yeah, whatever.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: They've made it legal, right? This is not illegal. And
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: the scam... It's so bad. We've looked into a few
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: of these. We were just, you know, through the year,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: we've been following some of this money. It's just everywhere
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: you look. So cannabis, right? They legalized cannabis, Prop 64
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: in California. And there's a tax. And the tax is
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: part of selling it to the public was we're going
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: to have the tax and it's going to pay for
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: substance abuse prevention. Isn't that nice?
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: So we looked into it. $ 350 million of that goes
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: to this nonprofit with some nice sounding name about health.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: And then you actually track the money. They give out
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: these little grants, a million each, a million here, $ 750, 000 there,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: to 500 or so other nonprofits. And then you look
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: at what they do. Voter registration, ballot harvesting, all of
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: this shit. I mean, this is what they do.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Stealing money.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: And we're paying for it.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: There's so many examples. We've just found a few of them.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, remember, they've doubled the budget of California more
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: than in the last 10 years. These are the numbers.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: This year, the budget is just over 350 billion, the
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: total budget. 10 years ago, it was 170. And everything's worse.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Crazy.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: It's so bad. My other favorite example is that, I mean,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: there's so many. I just, every day you learn about
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: these crazy things. Prisons, right, they've been shutting the prisons,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: which I totally disagree with. because whatever, that's a different story.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: But in the time they basically cut the prison population,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: it's not quite half, but nearly. The budget has doubled.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it's so transparent. Like, look what they
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: did in Los Angeles with the fire relief money.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, fire aid. That was disgusting. So disgusting. You
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: had people, good-hearted people, wanting to help their own money.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: That's supposed to be charity. Yes. And it's going into
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: this political slush fund.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: It went all of it into nonprofits.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: And not just one nonprofit, like 200 different nonprofits. Spencer
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Pratt laid it all out, like how they do it
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: and what they do. And no money went to anybody
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: who lost their home.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: None.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Which should be illegal.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: They've legalized all of this. That's the point. And so
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: I always say, yeah, we've got this system, but there's
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: only one answer in advance of being able to get
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: in power and do something about it is we just
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: got to get every vote. We've got to get every vote.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: And I know people look at this race and say, well,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: you're never going to win. It's hopeless. I don't think
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: that's true. I think that actually people are really pissed off.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: If you give them a sense that we can really,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: this is not a hopeless cause. And I think we're
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: showing that we've just got to put, I mean, he's lit.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: I've got this guy running against me. Who's just a
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: complete joke.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's, who is it?
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: He's called Javier Becerra. He was Biden's health secretary. He was,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, I want to say one thing before I'd
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: say the most important thing about him, but since we've
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: been just been having a go at him, telling the
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: truth about what he did as Biden's health secretary, his
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: score has been coming down with not that much effort
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: from us. And we don't have money. We're a scrappy startup, right?
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: They've got this big machine, the government unions, they just,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: you know, roll on. He's like the first poll that
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: came out in the race was just after the primary.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: It looks, it's over. What's the point? You know, 61, 36.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: He had 61. I had 36. The next one is
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: like 55. This is just the other week, 55. I
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: think I had 37. There's one we just heard about
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: where the gap's under 10%. So no one wants this
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: to go on in California. There's a majority who want
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: to get rid of this. But it's just been this
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: sense that it's impossible and we just have to put
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: up with it or leave. And I think if we
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: change that attitude... I think people are going to vote
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: this regime out. It's so bad.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Well, we've seen the map, the electoral map that they
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: put out from 2020 versus 2024. And the difference being
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: you look at all the counties that went red that
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: used to be blue where people are freaked out. The
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: problem is these high population urban areas where people live
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: in these liberal bubbles, which is Los Angeles, is the
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: craziest version of that.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: And Los Angeles County is 23% of the vote in
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: all of California.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Let's put this into perplexity. Ask perplexity how many people
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: in Los Angeles are on SSRIs.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Okay. I didn't think that's where you were going.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I would like to know.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Well, I think there's a lot of people that are,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: they're medicated. And it's part of what helps them agree
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: to this nonsense is that they're in this zombie catatonic
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: state from antidepressants and antipsychotics and anti-this and anti-that and
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: anxiety medication. And they're fucking cloudy. They don't see things.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: And they're surrounded by this echo chamber of people that
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: only agree with them. No reliable public count of current
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: SSRI users, specifically in Los Angeles. But a reasonable rough
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: estimate for Los Angeles County is on the order of 500,000
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: to 700,000 adults. Not a precise head count. Now, how
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: many people are in Los Angeles?
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: There's 10 million in the county.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Okay. I think that's way low. I think that's way low.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I bet it's 10 times that. I bet it's everyone.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I think, no, all bullshit aside, I bet there's a
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: few million. Los Angeles County has roughly 7.8 to 8
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: million adults. If about 11 to 17% take antidepressants, roughly
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: 60 to 70% of antidepressant users take an SSRI. The
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: implied range is 530 to 950, so maybe a million.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: I think it's probably a few million. I know a
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: lot of people that are on them, man. I think
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: it's more represented in Los Angeles. There's also this idea
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: that you need a medication because you have an imbalance.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: You need medication.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: It's over-medicated. It's really bad.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Well, also, the imbalance thing has been disproven. It's not real.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: It's not what it is. And then there's also, there's
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: a reality of your physical being, okay? If you live
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: a sedentary lifestyle, you eat terrible food, your physical body
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: is going to feel like shit and you're not going
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: to be happy. That's just how it works as a
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: human being.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Totally right.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: It's like if you're feeling down or pissed off, literally
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: do some exercise.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: My friend Hasan Ahmad, you'll see him tonight at the Mothership,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: hilarious comedian. He has a great bit about the people
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: that are in these commercials. that are playing basketball, they
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: take the medication, and now they're playing basketball and drinking
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: water and having fun. He goes, yeah, that's the actual
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: solution to depression. It's not take the antidepressant. It's fucking
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: do something athletic, get active, drink water, have a community
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: that you enjoy hanging out with. That's what keeps people
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: from being depressed. And they've been sold this bill of
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: goods that you have a chemical imbalance in your brain. Well,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: that narrative was never supported by science and has now
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: been completely dismissed. That's not true.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: But we're just doing it still. I mean, funnily enough,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: that was what I, one of the chapters in that book,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: 2015 book, More Human, was about health. And it was
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: all that. That's what I wrote about, which is, this
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: is crazy. We've got, and in fact, when I was
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: in 10 Downing Street, you, you know, I was the
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: senior advisor to the prime minister and you're getting, and
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: mainly I focused on domestic policy. That's what I focused on.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: And you're there, you're at, you know, in 10 Downing Street,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: you get meetings, you can have meetings with, kind of
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: everyone will come in and have a meeting. And I
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: was really focused, we got the National Health Service, which
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: is what the left want here, the Medicare, the single
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: payer healthcare, whatever. That's what there is in the UK.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: And it's funded by the government, by taxpayers, 100%. And
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: so it's part of the budget, which is one of
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: the problems. It's always competing for money against everything else.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: And so there's a real reason to try and get
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: the cost down because you're funding it out of the
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: budget for everything else. And so health promotion is or
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: should be a really big part of it. And I
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: wanted to really do much more on that, that you
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: should actually use the National Health Service to try and
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: make people healthy instead of all the sickness stuff. So
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: I had all these meetings trying to understand, you know,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: the Royal College of this, the Royal College of that,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: all the cancer people. Oh, they all came in. It
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: was so hilarious after kind of months of these meetings
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: of like, what do we need to do to make
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: people healthy? It's the simple, basic things in the end.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: What you just said.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Nutrition.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Eat healthy.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Take exercise.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Sleep enough. Drink a lot of water. Exactly. All of
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: those things. Like all these geniuses of science and whatever.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: And I said, honestly, it's so basic. But then... And
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: I was just seeing today there's this awful story about
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: the mother who killed the children. Awful story. And she
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: had really bad depression, postpartum depression, and was asking for
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: help and all this. And they just kept giving her
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: this medication. And she was saying, I think there were
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: texts to her mother saying, this new medication they've got
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: me on is really making me feel even more anxiety
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: and I don't know what's going on. Help, help, help.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: And they showed all the medication she was on in
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: the run-up to this. It's shocking. Like, so shocking. Just
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: the amount of stuff they're loading her up with that
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: must have sent her over the edge. 100%.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: It's just terrible. When you look at the commercials for
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: these things, and then you see the possible side effects, like,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: who in their right mind would take something for depression,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: which has side effects... Which causes suicidal ideation. What? I
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: thought you were curing depression. Your side effect is I
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: might want to kill myself? Like, it's like, this is
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: a cure for depression, too. Blow your brains out. No
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: more depression. Like, it's a cartel. It's a cartel in
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: the United States. I mean, it is a sanctioned tax.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: It's publicly traded. It's a fucking cartel. And they buy
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: off politicians and they pass the regulations.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I see not just on this, but on on everything. Again,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: it's just an eye opener. I kind of suspected it.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: But when you see just how cynical it is, this
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: kind of corrupt. I don't know what you want to
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: call it. Machine politics. I don't know. In Sacramento, where
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: they literally buy what they want. They buy the legislators
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: that pass the bills that help their interest, whatever it is.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: And that's why nothing really changes. And no one knows
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: what's going on. No one follows it. There's all these
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: laws they pass that end up with things happening in
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: the real world that normal person would say, how the
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: fuck did that happen?
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Well, three years ago, someone put in a bill that
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: was probably written by the lobbyist for whoever it was.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Even the legislator who put their name on it probably
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: never read it. And then suddenly it's the law. and
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: all these bad things happen. And that's what's going on.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Now, what could you do differently if you get an office?
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Like how much of this crazy entangled machine can you unwind?
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Not all of it.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Let's imagine.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, not all of it. No, I've thought about it.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: People wake up, they go, Steve Hilton's making a lot
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: of sense. Let's vote him in. And then even the
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: liberals like secretly run out and vote you in. It's
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: got to be too big to rig because that's the thing. Yes, exactly.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Because the mail-in ballots.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: By the way, can you believe, and I will get
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: into it, but did you see Kamala Harris the other day? No.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: She was at some conference or whatever doing her sort of,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: maybe I'll run for president again. Yeah, good luck.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: I know. The last one was pretty successful for only
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: spending $ 1. 4 billion. I know.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: She's very good candidate.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: She lost every single swing state.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: Look.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: It's very funny. I sort of talk about it a
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: lot because my guy, Becerra, he was asked the same
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: question that she was asked. Do you remember when she
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: went on The View? Right, right. And it was like,
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: what would you differ? And she said, oh, nothing comes
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: to mind. Really? You haven't thought? So he was asked, Becerra,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: my opponent, and he was on CNN, and the guy says, look,
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: It's obvious things aren't going well. To be fair, the
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: interviewer said, look, we got the highest, he listed a
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: few of the things, highest unemployment rate in America, which,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: by the way, no one can believe, but we have
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: the highest unemployment rate of all 50 states, highest poverty rate,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: cost of living is a nightmare. You know, what would
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: you have done differently? He says, well, it can't be
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: that bad because people are still coming to Disneyland and
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: the beaches. That's what he said. And then said, well,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: so no policy changes? No. Anyway, Kamala was at this
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: thing the other day and she starts talking about the
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: election and how, and I don't know if she wasn't
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: aware that Trump and MAGA had this slogan that was
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: a massive part of their thing, too big drink. So
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: she starts saying it as if it was a completely
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: new thing. She said it the other day, you know,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: the thing that we have to do is make sure
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: we get a really, you know, we've got to get everybody. Well,
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: you know, to coin a phrase, we have to make
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: it too big to rig. Like she said it.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: She said it.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: So she's alleging that it was rigged the last time?
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: I have no idea what she's talking about.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't know what amount of election fraud there is,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: but it's not zero.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: It's not zero.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: It's never been zero. And the real weird one for
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: me was how many more votes Biden got in 2020
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: than any other president ever. We have a lot of
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: work to do because, you know, these folks are cheating.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: They're trying to rig the system. They're trying to draw maps,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: all of it.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: What?
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: You mean stuff that the Democrats have already done?
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: It's so hilarious.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. We have to make it too big to rig.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: We have to turn out in big numbers, jump all
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: over these obstacles they're trying to throw our way. We
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: have to make it too big to rig. What are
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: you saying? Like, how are they cheating? Like, how is
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: she alleging they're cheating? The idea that that's the best
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: they can do is so insane. It's so wild. It's
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: so wild. And it's because if you want to run
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: for politician, if you don't follow their narrative and their
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: plan to a fucking T, they're going to come for you.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: And they're going to destroy you. And it's usually some
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: creepy sexual thing. They're going to find someone who says
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: that you did something to them in college or high
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: school or whatever it is. And they'll come up with
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: as many things and throw them your way, as many
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: things as they can find, and they get rid of you.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: And they get rid of all of them.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, lucky they don't think I've got any chance
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: of winning. I think that's why they haven't done that.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: But just on that, though, it's interesting. It makes me think,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: this whole system, this corrupt thing, that I've encountered. And
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: I don't want to lose your question about, um, what
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: I would do. I've thought about that a lot, but
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: it just, it's a, it's sort of amazing, but not amazing.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: I knew it was like this, but to see it
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: is something else.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: The scale of it. Yes.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: So even things you might not imagine, like, um, okay,
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: a couple of, so there's the chamber of commerce, right?
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: It's called Cal chamber in California and it's all the
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: big businesses. And, Look, running a business in California is
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: an absolute nightmare. That's why they're all leaving. That's why
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Elon left. That's why so many companies leave.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Fuck, they lost In-N-Out.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: And every day, there's a new one that's announced. And
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: then every day, I meet business owners, big, small, medium,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: who say, we're just hanging on to see if you
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: can make it. And if you don't, we're out. Right?
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Every day. Chief Executive Magazine... has an annual survey of
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: business conditions. I think it was out in April. California,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: 50th out of 50 states. And I think it's been
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: like that for 12, 13 years. So it's like a
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: disaster what's going on. The Becerra who's running against me.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: 50th out of 50 states for business climate.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: So Alaska's better.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Every state in America is better.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Hawaii is better. North Dakota, South Dakota, Florida, Tennessee.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: All right. So you would think that when you've got
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: a choice between two people, right, one of whom explicitly says,
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to change anything. That's Becerra. And me,
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: who's someone with business, most of my career has been
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: in business. When you do the ballot, you're allowed three
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: words to describe yourself. I actually wanted to do it
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: fairly because I've done a bunch of different things. And
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: so I went through every year since I left Oxford 1990s,
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: 36 years. And the majority of my career has been
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: in business. And most of those years running my own businesses.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: So I, I put small business, that's the three words,
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: small business owner. And like in a choice between that,
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: you would think the California chamber of commerce, which represents
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: business would obviously want the guy who's pro-business instead of
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: the guy who's going to keep up this... Anyway, we
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: have this.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: The money's still there for now, and they're getting that money.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Well, there is... This is what it is. It's all
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: of that crowd, right? And we have these endorsement meetings,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: and then they pick him. They endorse the other guy,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: and then they say, we think... Their statement was so
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: full of shit. It was like, oh... We it's time
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: for unifying, blah, blah, some completely bullshit political thing. Now,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: of course, because I went in there and I said,
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: we got to change direction. The policies are hurting business, whatever.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: I just said what I think. And they went for
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: him because they, all they actually care about is the
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: power and they think he's going to win. And so
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: they want to be in with him. Yeah. And then
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: the other one that was like that, that was in
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: a way even more shocking was the police. So the police, uh,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: whatever it's called, PORAC, the Police Officers Association, something, their union.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: That same kind of thing, you go to them and
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: you try and get their endorsement. By the way, I
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: said at the beginning of this whole process, it's a
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: waste of time because they will only care about their
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: thing that they want to get more money for whatever
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: it is. And so I don't want to give them
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: that because that's wrong. And so they won't endorse me.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: I'm just telling you. Sure enough, we have this meeting
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: and I'm completely on the side of the law and
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: order thing. It's gone crazy, the defund the police, the
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: insanity of how they deal with crime. We got to
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: reverse all that, prison closures, all these things. And he's
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: not said anything about that. He's just more of the same, insanity.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: They endorse him. And then they told us why. Because
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: he promised to deliver on the one thing they really
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: cared about, which is some bill that would increase their pensions.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Why don't you agree to that bill?
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Because the pension, one of the reasons that the taxes
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: are so high and everything is like, for example, you
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: look at schools. Everywhere I go, parents are saying, what's
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: going on? We pay the highest taxes anywhere. like state
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: income tax, property tax, all these taxes. And then we
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: have to pay. The schools are asking us to pay
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: for basic supplies like paper, books, like cleaning materials. And
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: the lottery money is supposed to go to schools as well.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: And they're saying what is going on. Parents are really
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: furious about it. One of the reasons is because of
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: the way they've done the pensions for the teachers. You know,
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: you want people to have good retirement. That's true. But
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: like a fifth, I think it's about a fifth of
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: the money. before it's even spent in the schools, goes
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: to the pensions. It's a really, really bad situation.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: I'm torn because I think they deserve pensions, particularly the police.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: And I think I'd like to know what percentage of
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: the budget. I mean, think about, listen, let's talk about
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: money that's gone to places where it vanished, like the homeless.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: $ 24 billion. Yeah, at least. At least. And even though
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: they've tried to get an audit of it, Newsom vetoed that,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: stopped them from getting an audit.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: He vetoed it, exactly.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Twice, right?
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: And in LA, there was a parallel in LA. There
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: was a lawsuit that ended up with a judge demanding
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: a similar audit, and the estimate was just for LA,
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: it was $ 2 billion, and Karen Bass vetoed the audit
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: in LA.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: Let's imagine that $ 2 billion instead went to fund the police.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Better training... You know, better conditions, better morale, better pensions,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: higher quality of people that you're hiring.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: Totally agree with that. We need to massively increase the
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: numbers of police.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Right. Now, imagine what an impact that would have on
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: the encampments, on enforcing these laws. You already have laws.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: They're just not enforcing.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: 100%.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: You're not supposed to camp on the street.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: The homeless encampments are illegal.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: They're illegal.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: That's what I was saying. My first point on my
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: plan is, enforce the law. They're illegal.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Well, imagine what it's done to real estate in downtown.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: It was the downtown real estate group, business group that
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: filed that lawsuit that I was talking about for LA. Exactly.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles is the only place in the country that
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: has a useless downtown.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: It's amazing.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: One of the biggest cities in the... Forgive me if
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: you have a great business in downtown and you love
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: the funky aspect of being... There's wonderful restaurants in downtown.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: I've traveled to them. But it's fucking sketchy. I took
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: my kids once to get donuts in downtown. And we
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: were walking on the street. And every step of the way,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: you're like, is this guy going to attack us? Is
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: that guy crazy?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: I literally had it the other night. We got in
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: from somewhere. We were staying downtown, right by City Hall.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: And got in quite late. I wanted something to eat.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: The hotel didn't have anything, whatever. And so I just
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: walk around. Trying to find it. It's a Saturday night.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: It's not super late. It's like 8, 9 p.m. It's
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: just unbelievable.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Zombies.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Zombies. The stink of like shit and piss. I mean,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: it's disgusting.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Shit and piss everywhere. And it's a public health problem.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: And you walk around and you think, how is this possible?
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: It's the second city of America. We're the richest country
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: in the world. And we're the richest state. I mean,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: you're being ripped off like that and this is what
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: we end up with.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about just Skid Row.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: But I agree with you on the police. I mean,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: LAPD is saying that by the time the Olympics is
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: two years away, they will have half the number of
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: officers that they should have.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: Half.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: And yet our taxes are the highest in the country.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. They've just increased the taxes in L.A., Local
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: sales tax gone up.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: What I was getting to was imagine Skid Row. So
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: Skid Row is roughly 50-something blocks, right? So 50 blocks
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: where no one wants to buy a building. 50 blocks
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: where no one wants to put up a business. No
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: one wants to lease a building for 10 years if
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: you've got encampments right in front of it. You can't
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: even clean them up. You can't tell them to move.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: You can't ask them to not shit on your porch.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: It's just unbelievable.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: There's nothing you could do. So just think about all
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: the tax revenue that's being lost. all the business being lost,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: and all of those areas in downtown that is completely
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: unsafe and contaminated.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: It's just unbelievable. The last time I went, I've been
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: a few times, we went with this, they've destroyed the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: word non-profit now. I don't even want to say that.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Like an actual charity. Like a really nice... A real one.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: A real one. Who've done beautiful work. It started off,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: they were trying to save the dogs. And what they're
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: doing with the dogs is just unbelievable. using the dogs
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: to test their drugs.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: They use the dogs to make sure the drugs don't
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: affect them.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: It's just disgusting. Anyway, so they started off with that.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: It was just a woman who's driving by and saw
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: a dog in distress. This was a few years ago.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: And around that has built this beautiful charity. It's going there.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: We were there on a Sunday. They're giving out clothes
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: and stuff, trying to help people. And she knows all
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: the people. But this time, for some reason, I was
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: even more infuriated than before. Because it's like, if you're
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: the mayor of LA or the governor of California, and
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: this is going on, What are you doing? How can
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: you do anything else before cleaning this up? It's so disgraceful.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Well, it was there when they got there, and it's
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: sort of accepted that Skid Row in particular is always
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: going to be there.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: It's so bad.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: It's been bad for a long time. You know, I
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: did Fear Factor in downtown L.A. We filmed a lot
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: of our episodes in downtown L.A. because there was a
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: lot of abandoned buildings because of Skid Row. That's a
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: big part of it. But also, Los Angeles lost a
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: lot of its manufacturing, just kind of like evaporated. for
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: whatever reasons. So one time I was driving home and
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: I took the wrong turn and I was like, what
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: the fuck is this? And it was just an entire street.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: filled with people in cardboard boxes and tents and garbage everywhere,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: just piles everywhere. I was like, this is great. And
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: this was like 2004, 2005 maybe. It was bad back then.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: It's just tucked away into this old place. We looked
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: at it. There was a documentary about the Cecil Hotel
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: because there was a woman who drowned in one of
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: the tanks, and apparently they thought that she was murdered.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: But then when they got the surveillance footage, it seems
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: like she had a schizophrenic episode. She stopped taking her
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: medication and she jumped into the tank and drowned in there.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: So it was this whole thing of what the Cecil
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Hotel used to be like and that these people that
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: come from other countries, they go, oh, we're going to
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: rent this hotel in downtown L.A. Must be nice. It's
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: a historic hotel. It's been around since 1835 or whatever
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: the fuck it is. Like, oh, this should be great.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: And then you get there, you're like, holy fuck, you're
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: in the middle of Skid Row. And it was part
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: of the documentary was explaining how bad this area got.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: It's so bad. And it's also, there's something about the,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: just the squalor, the filth, the just total disrespect.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: They have medieval diseases that are emerging that we haven't
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: seen in like a hundred years.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. And I just think that, It's amazing to me.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: It's truly amazing that this just rolls on and like
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: nothing happens.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Right. It's not a state and national emergency.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: It's a scandal of the highest proportion.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: But no one goes there. That's the thing. As long
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: as it stays contained. This was what this documentary was alleging,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: is that the practice of moving people to Skid Row started...
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: a long time ago. And what it was is to
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: clean up Los Angeles and Beverly Hills. They'd find vagrants,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: they'd grab them, bring them to downtown, drop them off there.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: That's how it got started.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: And then they kept them there. They literally contained them there.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: Not anymore. I mean, you see it everywhere.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: Well, they don't have to, because now they know this
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: is the place where you can go and you can
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: get drugs and you can get food.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: And you get drugs from the government. I mean, that's
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: the point.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: The government gives them drugs? Yes, they do.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: From what's called, you know, it's harm reduction, they call it.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: What do they give them? What drugs?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: They give, they're opioids. They give them opioids as a
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: substitute for fentanyl.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: So, what kind of opioids?
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know exactly.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Are they giving them like methadone, which is not really
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: technically an opiate?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: I can't remember. We went there. They wouldn't let us in, actually.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: We tried to film inside. There's a guy just did
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: get inside, Christopher Ruffo from Manhattan Institute, and he got in.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: He made a film about the crack pipes they're giving
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: out or whatever.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: They give out crack pipes?
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did a little, I mean, I don't know
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: if that was a, He made of, I don't know.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: I didn't see it myself.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: Caring for those people.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: But it's just ridiculous. You've got, but it's everywhere. It's
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: not just skid. That's the thing that's so like this.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: I'm on the road the whole time. I see the
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: whole state, like probably not many people do. And just
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: there's something about the degradation, the squalor in so many,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: not everywhere. Of course, it's beautiful. I love California.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: Beverly Hills is gorgeous still. There's still a lot of places.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but even there.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: But there's a whole lot more breaking and entering.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: A whole lot more home invasions.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: A whole lot more crime.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: The home invasion is a huge thing.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's why one of the things, again, we're
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: just trying to make a difference here. You know, you've
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: got one particular thing with these home invasions. They're all
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: wearing masks now. It's like a really big part that
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: didn't used to be the case. And so we've been
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: working on a plan that if you get enhancements for
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: your sentencing just for covering yourself up, Because we've got
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: to try and– there's no interest in trying to.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: Stop this stuff. Not only that, there seems to be
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: an interest in letting people out of jail who have
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: committed violent crimes, which I would only do if I
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: wanted to destroy a city.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: If you wanted to destroy a city, you would do
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: it exactly the way they're doing it. You would hire
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: the most progressive DAs who are willing to let people
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: out no matter what. And then you use a bunch
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: of words like racism, systemic racism, whatever, discrimination. This is
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: the reason why Mike has robbed 99 people over the
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: last 12 years.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: And, well, the one thing that's good news, though, is
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: the new DA is pretty good.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's good.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: He's good. He's good. I supported him. I saw him
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: the other night. So he's really doing a good job.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: Shows that you can make a change, actually.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, he's up against the whole system and
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: the political system. which is still captured by that kind
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: of insane ideology. And so much of what you see
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: going wrong in California is exactly that, is ideology over
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: anything that's practical.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, and it's also you have to adhere to
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: the narrative.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Or you will be punished. And so everyone's scared. So
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: they say a bunch of things that they, you know,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: they think make sense.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: There was a really... unbelievable example of it. There was
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: a Democrat state legislator, I think somewhere like Santa Cruz,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: somewhere like that, this is a couple of years ago,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: who voted the wrong way on a bill that one
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: of the government unions was pushing. I can't remember the details,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: but it was, like, offended, maybe it was the university teachers,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: something like that. A Democrat. And then they then funded
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: the campaign of the Republican just to teach them not
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: to step out of line. It's amazing.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Well, there's a bunch of Republicans that they like to
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: call rhinos, Republican in name only. There's a lot of
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: those folks. They're basically Trojan horses. I think we have
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: a real problem in this country where there's only two parties.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: I think it's crazy. There's so many people, like me
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: for instance, That agree with a lot of the things
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: that the left pushes and agree with many of the
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: things that the right pushes. But some of the things
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: the right pushes are fucking ridiculous. And some of the
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: things that the left pushes are fucking ridiculous. But you
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: have two choices.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: And you're defined by the worst members of each party.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: You're defined by the dumbest MAGA people versus the fucking,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: you know, the Portland people. It's like these are your options.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: You have to be completely ridiculous people who believe in
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: non-binary folk. And then you've people that are, you know,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: think this is a Christian nation and we should kick
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: out all the Muslims. Yeah.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: So we it's interesting because I thought about this when
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: not that I didn't think about it that much. But
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: there are a few people because I think for what
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: I'm about to say, it doesn't work. But a few
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: people say, oh, you should run as an independent. You
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: shouldn't run as a Republican.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: And, you know, I am independent minded and I've never
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: run for office. I'm not part of this machine. I
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: don't I'll just say what I think. especially because no
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: one thinks I'm going to win. I might as well
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: just go for it and say what I think. But
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: you're exactly right. You won't win.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: You won't win. There's just no way.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: Like when Bobby Kennedy was telling me that he was
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: going to run as an independent, I was.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: Like, sheesh. Yeah, like Michael Schellenberger.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: Like, you fucking can't win.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: Do you know Michael Schellenberger?
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: He's fantastic.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's great.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: And he ran for governor twice as an independent.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: And I remember, you know, I tried to help. I
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: put him on my shirt.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: I think he knew he wasn't going to win.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: Do you think that was the best?
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's good for his career.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: And it gives him an opportunity to speak his mind.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: He says a lot of very, very interesting and intelligent things. Yes,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: he's great. Yeah, I mean, he's great at exposing a
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: lot of horseshit. Yeah. You know, he's really good at that,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: and he's very meticulous. He's a good journalist.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: No, I'm really doing it because I don't laugh. I
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: really believe that I can win, for real.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: Well, you might be able to, because California's that fucked.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: California's that fucked that I think there's a lot of, look,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: we lived in a very liberal area when I lived
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: in California. Everyone was very liberal, and it was normal.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: It was normal liberal, what it used to mean. You
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: believed in gay rights. You believed in women's rights. You
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: believed in civil rights. Normal stuff. He believed in a
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: social safety net, normal stuff. Like that was what it
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: used to mean to be a liberal. Bill Clinton liberal.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: That's right. From like the 90s. If you listen to
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: Bill Clinton talk today, he sounds like he's running for
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: a Republican.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: And on immigration, have you seen these clips?
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes. He's more MAGA. Hillary Clinton was the most MAGA.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: She literally, there's one the other day where she was,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: that I hadn't seen before, which was so, it's like,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: we can't have all these illegal immigrants and we have to,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: And it was about the health care. We can't be
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: giving free health care to illegal immigrants because we cannot
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: have incentives for more illegal immigrants to come.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Republican talking point.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: Amazing.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: Crazy. But it just shows you it's all bullshit. It's
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: not real. Like this idea that if you're on the left,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: you're supporting science. You're supporting civil rights. They're telling you
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: that to get your vote so they can steal money.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: That's all it is. As soon as you accept that,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: you realize like, oh, both parties are completely full of shit.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: They just fuck you in different ways.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: There's definitely, one thing I've noticed, there's in, yeah, in
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: the most of, in Sacramento, in the legislature, they've, I
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: think they're just, I don't know, either they don't believe
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: it or they've just been beaten down. And so you've
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: had this, they've just gone along with it. But actually now,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: you've got a few Republicans in California and they're friends
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: of mine and we're working together you wouldn't have heard
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: of any of you know people like Carl DeMaio, David Tangipa,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: Ali Macedo the new leader in the assembly really actually
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: have got this you know we're real kind of friends
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: and allies in fighting back against the corruption that's the
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: big thing I think that you learn when you do
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: is the the interest groups the big business the big
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: unions they've just completely captured the government And I think
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: it's fair to say the Republicans have been part of that.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: But there's a group of us now who really don't
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: buy it and we're fighting back. I think we can
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: make a big difference. They've got a two-thirds majority in
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: the legislature. They call it a supermajority. It's been like
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: that for more than 10 years. So they can do
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: whatever they want, the Democrats. And the Republicans have been
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: kind of irrelevant. If we can just win a few
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: more seats so they don't have a supermajority, And if
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: I can get elected and then we can start to
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: chip away at it for sure.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: I think it's important to not let either party have
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: complete and total control.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: And I don't think that's right. I don't think this
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: is just the Democrats. I think if the Republicans are
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: in the same position, we have another unique set of
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: corruption and problems that would be similar. They'd be finding
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: other ways to steal money.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is the fundamental. A hundred percent agree.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I say to. Democrats, and we
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: can see it in some of the numbers. I'm doing
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: well with independents. We're getting Democrats come to my events.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: One of the things I say is it's just not
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: healthy to have one party running everything. And for the
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: last 16 years, in California, they've had all the statewide
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: elected positions, governor and the other ones, attorney general, whatever,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: two-thirds majority in both legislative chambers, every big city, every
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: big county, the state Supreme Court, 6-1-1, Democrat appointees. They
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: just rubber stamp what, whatever they want. And it's just
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: not healthy. And it gets into this mentality of arrogance
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: where they just feel they can do whatever they want
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: and no one's ever going to, you know, stop them. Yeah.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: That's where we're at.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: And again, if the Republicans were in the same position
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: of power, you'd have another different set of problems that
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: was probably very similar because it's just how people operate
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: when there's When they have control. It's just like if
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: you have an authoritarian government.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly right.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: Similar kind of a situation. You have no one's challenging
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: your position of power. And you get to do whatever
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: you want to do. And then you have a bunch
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: of people that funded your campaign and gave you a
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: bunch of money. And then they're helping you out with
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: this and business deals to your uncle and this and that. Yeah.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: Well, you see it on the right. You saw it
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: just now in Hungary with Viktor Orban. So I know
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: Hungary well because my family still live there. And finally,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: after 16 years, he was in power, same amount of
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: time as the Democrats in California. And by the end,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: it was all exactly what you're talking about, like just
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: unbelievable levels of corruption.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's always, if they have total control, they're
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: going to be corrupt, especially if they don't have any oversight,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: if they can just get away with it. Like this
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: homeless thing where they've lost the $ 24 billion and the
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: governor can say, nope, don't look into that, stamp. You
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: can veto that? How is that legal? How is it
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: legal that you could veto something that is- Yeah.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: And actually the amazing thing about that is that it
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: was even the Democrat super majority that did that, right?
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: So the process was the state auditor, it was a
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: Republican legislator that asked the state auditor to look at it.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: So it was initiated by a Republican. State auditor publishes
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: the report, 24 billion missing. The legislature as a whole-
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: which is two-thirds Democrat run, said, we need a proper audit.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: It was these guys.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: It was the Democrats.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: It was everyone.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because those Democrats weren't completely corrupt.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: It's amazing.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: You'd have to be completely corrupt to not look into that.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: I know. It's amazing. And then the bullshit excuse that
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: they come out, oh, it's not necessary because of, like, oh.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: It's not necessary to look at where $ 24 billion went.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: And not just didn't work. but homelessness increased by a
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: substantial margin.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: Well, because the money, the answer to the question is
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: very obvious. When we say that term homeless industrial complex,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: what is it? You look at it, it's basically got
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: two parts to it. You've got the non-profits, like we
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: talked about, that just keep getting the money. They've actually
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: made it illegal to solve the problem. I'm not joking.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: It's illegal for state money to go to any of
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: these organizations that require any kind of response from the
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: homeless person. So you can't require addiction treatment, recovery, anything
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: like that, job training, nothing. It's illegal. It's called housing first.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: So like obviously when you've got 80% and the fentanyl
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: is a really big part.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: The idea that it's a housing issue is so preposterous too.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: So you've got the non-profits but then the other part
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: of it which is where actually the bulk of the
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: money is going are these crony developers. There's a very
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: small group of developers, house builders that build these apartment units.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: They called it permanent supportive housing. The other, you know,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: shelter and. they're, they're charging up to, I mean, a
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: low ball estimate was about 600,000. There are some in
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: LA and in the Bay area that are 900,000, a
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: million dollars per unit to build, right? I've got a
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: friend that builds apartments in the Bay area, right? You know,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: he said without all the government bullshit that goes around it,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: the layers of nonsense that they put in if it's
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: taxpayer money, the union contracts that you've got to use
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: this kind of material, the environmental, all this stuff. You
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: could build it for a quarter, like 250,000 per door,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: they call it, four times as much. That's where the
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: money's going. And then you get the unit, whatever, they
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: put the homeless person in there who's still addicted to fentanyl.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: And as I went, again, with a real charity in Venice,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: we went around, a guy who's a recovered addict, recovering
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: addict and 23 years clean. And he's actually trying to
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: help people. He actually hired, you know, he rents Airbnbs
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: and he does group recovery and they have a recovery
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: program they do together. He says like these guys that
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: are getting the permanent supportive housing, it's like a second
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: home because they're going back to the street to buy drugs,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: deal drugs because they're addicts. Yeah. And you're not changing
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: the behavior.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: They're addicts and they're mentally ill. And so there's a
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: massive influx of homeless people during the Reagan administration where
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: they kind of like open the doors of the mental
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: institutions and say, well, we're not going to fund this anymore,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: which is, for public health and safety, that is a
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: fucking terrible idea.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But then the other thing about that, I completely agree,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: is that then that's been incorporated, that idea that you
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: can't have mental institutions, insane asylums, there's this kind of,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: general sense that that's barbaric and you don't want people
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: in these institutions and it's better to have them cared
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: in the community. So that's incorporated into Medicaid. And so
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: often with government, you've got to look at the money flows.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: And one of the things that's still there is this
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: rule called IMD, Institutions of Mental Disease. And the IMD
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: rule is that there's no reimbursement from federal Medicaid for
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: to any treatment that happens in a facility with more
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: than 16 beds. It's a very specific limit, 16 beds.
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  Speaker 2: It's all based on this philosophy of we don't want
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: big mental institutions. So that means that there's no incentive
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: to have modern, large-scale mental health care. Because there's all
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: these small... things because you don't get any money back.
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  Speaker 1: I think people are also rightly suspicious of the potential
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: for a medical health industrial complex.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely.
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  Speaker 1: And then think of how many people imagine if they
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: could just like, have you ever seen that video of
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: there's a guy who gets pulled over and the cops
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: on the spot tell him that he's been evaluated as
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: being mentally unwell and he needs to come in. And
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: the guy is completely calm and rational when he's talking
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: to him. And he's like, well, make an appointment and
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: I'll go and get evaluated. And he's like, no, we're
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: going to bring you in. He's like, what are you saying? Well,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: you've been deemed unwell. He's like, by who? I don't
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: have– there's no ruling against me. It's really interesting. So
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: apparently there's more to it. And this video went viral.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: Apparently there have been some videos of this guy where
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: he posted online where he's acting kind of loony. I
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: saw a couple of them. I was like, yeah, that's
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: a little problem. A little problematic, but could also be
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: he's acting out on camera. I don't know if he's
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: doing this in real life, just because someone's doing it
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: in videos. So a lot of people act out in
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: video just for attention, or maybe that's how he blows
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: off steam, says wild shit like, you know, we need
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: to eat the earth, or I don't know what the
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: fuck he's saying. But the video is very disturbing because
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: in that moment, if these police officers in Canada are
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: supposed to be evaluating someone who doesn't have an official
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: psych evaluation where he's been brought in and they just said,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: you know, you have to be institutionalized. So that hasn't happened.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: And so they're pulling this guy over and based on
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: his interaction with them, he is completely calm and rational.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: In fact, like charitably so because they're saying something fucking
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: totally preposterous and he's not yelling. He doesn't raise his voice.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: He's coherent. He's articulate. I want you to watch it
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: because it's kind of crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's terrifying.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: Jamie, I'm sure you could find it. Yeah, I was
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: trying to find the update.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: That's really terrifying.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: But let's just look at the actual video itself because
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: the video itself is bizarre. Because without any context, and again,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: I think there is some context. There have been some
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: videos where he acted nutty. And this guy might just
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: be manic depressive where he's capable of keeping it together,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: like to pretend he's normal when the cops are there.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: But then as soon as he's on his own and
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: no one's watching him, he goes insane. That is possible.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: Did they have any prior knowledge of him? Yes. What
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: was that based on?
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: Someone had told them that he's off the rails, so
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: they went in to go get him. But the thing is,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: shouldn't there be some sort of an official psychiatric evaluation?
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: Conservative influencer. Ah, he's a conservative influencer. Being held captive
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: in Canadian... I don't know if that's real or not.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: I'm just trying to wait until I can get to
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: the video here.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: Okay. Well, let's watch the video. Put your headphones on.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: Because the video is kind of kooky.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: And this is Dr. Emery.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: He's a resident psychiatrist, senior resident. He's on a rotation
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: with the CAR 87. We're part of a program that
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: includes Vancouver Coastal Health and the Vancouver Police. And what
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: we do is we go to people. when there's different
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: reasons that come up.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: Every case is a little different, and we go to
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: people to.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: See them where they are, especially if there's been issues
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: with trying to find them and talk to them. So
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: in your case, I think you were certified under the
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: Mental Health Act Just, I don't know how long ago,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: but like maybe three weeks ago or four weeks ago,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: were you aware of that?
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: Dr.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: Taylor saw you in a cafe. She didn't certify you.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: I think you filmed part of it.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: Okay. And this is Dr. Emery.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: He's a resident. And then she spoke with your family,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: got some more information. And, you know, you're going to
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: have to turn that off. So just one sec. What
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: the officer just told me is that, you know, you
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: and I can set up a meeting and we can
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: chat then.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: So why don't we do that, okay? Okay.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not turning the camera off.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: I have a legal right to keep the camera on.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: If you don't want to make the appointment now, we
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: can do it at another time.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: But that's what the officer just asked that we do.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: So why don't we do that?
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: So I'm going to certify you under the Mental Health Act.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: I'm going to bring you to hospital through testing on you.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: You're going to talk to a psychiatrist in a controlled
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: environment because we don't believe that you're going to attend
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: an appointment. I've never been given a chance to attend
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: an appointment.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: So he's certified.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: I've never been given a chance to attend an appointment.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: What is going on?
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: I haven't, I was never given a psyche valve or nothing.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: He just looked at me and said, you're certified.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: So I don't know why, but it's up to the doctor.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: So if you, but no, he didn't even give me a,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: he didn't even give me an eval.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: He just looked at me and said, I'm certified. Please,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: please consider what you're doing.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: And please think about the fact that I'm more than
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: happy to come in for an appointment.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: I'm happy to go through and do everything properly. Okay.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: I just, I've been completely compliant with everything. So I
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: had some eggs and stuff for.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: Breakfast this morning.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I didn't put drapes, so I had to tape
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: this up because.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: My window didn't have drapes.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: And so all night, there's just.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: Light beaming into my room.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: So I couldn't sleep last night, so I demanded that
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: they give me tape and stuff to put on my
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: windows so that I could sleep tonight. I'm like one
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: of the only rooms that has no drapes.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: Oh my God.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: Shangri-La, baby. How fucking strange.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: This is crazy. Strange.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: So here's the thing. Like this doctor ran into him
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: somewhere and said, I'm certifying you. Based on what? That's insane.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: And is he really a conservative influencer or is that
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: a narrative? Like I don't understand what that means. Like
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: if you are quote unquote conservative and you have a
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: thousand people on your Instagram and you rant and rave,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: you know, in a manic depressive manner. Is that– are
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: you a conservative influencer now or is that like rage
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: bait to get them to say like– but here's the thing.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: Like Canada has socialized medicine and they also have insane
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: government ovaries. And if there was someone who was a
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: rabble rouser online and that person happened to be acting
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: a little kooky, wouldn't that be a great time? But meanwhile,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: how many fucking liberal– this is Vancouver, which is like
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: Portland on steroids. Like how many kooky fucking people on
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: the left are being pulled into mental hospitals and making
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: these similar videos? Fucking zero, which is a little odd.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean that this guy is not a
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: little off the rails because the videos that I saw–
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: see if you can find some videos of him. They
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: might have been pulled from the internet. But a bunch
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: of people were saying, hold on. There's more to this.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: And they were showing some of the– Here's the other problem.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know if those videos are real. Those videos
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: could be AI. In this day and age, it's almost
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: impossible to tell. You have video of this guy. You'd say,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: have this guy screaming shit stuff about needing a vagina
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: in the middle of his back. You could have anything.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: You could say anything.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: But this is why you've got to be so careful
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: about authoritarianism creeping into government.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: That right there. First of all, I don't like his backseat.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: All that shit. Boxes and stuff. That looks a little kooky.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: That fits that he might be losing his marbles if
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: he's got you know, stacks of stuff, unless he's like
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: leaving an office and moving stuff and put it in
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: his backseat temporarily. It's a weird sign when the entire
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: backseat is filled with boxes and trash. You might be
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: losing your marbles. But he did sound like there's no,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: in my eyes, listening to him talk, there's no indication
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: that this guy's a threat to himself and he must
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: be institutionalized. That guy's more than capable of speaking in
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: a very rational manner. So even if he's nuts, he's
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: not that nuts. There's a lot of nutty people.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, who are much more dangerous. To me, this is very,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: like we were talking earlier about the medicalization and everything.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: And there's a trend here of this inhumanity that is really,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: really dark. I mean, did you see the, I don't
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: know if you followed the back and forth on, you know,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: with the AI guys on.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: Regulating ai and whether ai is positive or negative that
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: whole debate.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: Which uh which.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: Did you see amadei the anthropic guy what did he
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: just in the last few days there was this he
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: it was i think it was on on one of
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: the other on all in that's right someone someone was
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: talking about him Wanting to have government like hyping up
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: the doom Scenario from from from AI.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: These guys that are hyping up the doom of AI
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: are the actual people that were working on it.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: This is what I'm a day. Who's the CEO? Yeah,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: and the founder of anthropic and he replied and So
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: the argument was he's hyping it up because he wants
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: regulation government regulation that will protect The kind of big
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: incumbents against you know competition that was the argument And
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: then he replied to the argument by saying he's had
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: some stuff about regulation. Then he did long posts on X.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: And the first one was about the regulation. The second
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: one was about, actually, I'm not that. I'm not Mr.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: Doom when it comes to AI. I've always said it
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: can be really positive. And one of the things he
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: pointed to was this essay that he wrote called Machines
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: of Love and Grace. 14,000 words. And that was his
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: response to being characterized as Mr.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: Negative.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: When you look at this thing It's so dark, like
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: he's going on about, well, there'll be no, we can
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: foresee a time when human beings can't make useful contributions
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: to the economy and that people won't have much to
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: do and then they can play video games. And then
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: at one point, the thing that made me think of it,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: when he was raising, well, what are kids gonna do?
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: He starts going about, we have things like Ritalin And
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: we know how to medicate people when they're depressed. So
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: it's fine if they don't have a sense of.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, boy. Ritalin.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: If they don't have a sense of worth, we'll numb them.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: Literally, that's what he wrote. And that's what he pointed
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: to as him being Mr. Positive. It's just terrifying.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: So this is recently?
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: This is within the last week. Okay.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: And what is his position in the company?
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: The CEO is the founder of Anthropic. Okay.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: The big two.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: The programmers, though, are the ones that are leaving and
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: writing poetry. They're giving up on society and they're hiding
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: and waiting. You know, you hear about there's one lead
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: programmer that read, he wrote some, like, basically a statement
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: as he was leaving explaining the impending doom that is
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: coming to civilization and how he's checking out and he's
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: going to ride it out and see what happens. But
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: he left the United States. I think he went to...
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: Ireland or somewhere like that okay they say he's gonna
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: write poetry okay like okay like I mean this is
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: an existential crisis this guy's happening having while he's working
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: he's working on it working on this thing and realizing
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: this thing is conscious well that's one of.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: The things that I feel is so odd about the
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: the two that have been most negative are um Amadei
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: Dario Amadei he's anthropic and Sam Altman open AI yeah
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: they're the most negative or have been um And if
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: you believe half the things they're saying, they're like, well,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: why are you doing it then? If you think this
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: is the end of the human, whatever. I know they
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: have dialed it back a bit, but why would you
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: keep building something.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: That's so bad? When Peter Thiel got asked whether or
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: not the human race should survive, he paused for like
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: fucking 15 seconds. Like, um, um. I didn't read this,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: but complexity says that.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: The mention of Ritalin is like a good thing. We
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: figured out how to improve ourselves with things like Ritalin
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: and using AI could potentially make it even better.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: That AI will make Ritalin even better so we'll just
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: be on awesome drugs?
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: No, yeah, that we'll find better versions of drugs that
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: are better than Ritalin.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: So instead of people finding meaning and purpose in life,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: it's just not how it's being talked about. Well, what
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: is he saying then? Why does he need the medicine?
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: It's not in the nothing to do and work and
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: meaning discussion. It appears the speculation is just about the
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: future of neuroscience.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see what you're saying. So what they're saying,
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: they're talking about increasing the potency or making these things
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: more effective for mental health interventions using AI. Okay, so
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: he argues that AI-driven biology could enable much greater cognitive
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: and mental health interventions than those available today. That's really
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: wonderful if true. I personally know people that have been
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: saved by SSRIs. I'm not a blanket SSRIs are bad.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: I have a friend that was severely depressed and suicidal,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: and I got him a psychiatrist, and he eventually got
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: his life back in gear, weaned himself off him, and
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: now he's great. So who knows? That guy could have
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: made a hasty decision. and taken his own life, and
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: if he was in Canada, they might have probably fucking
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: encouraged it, right? So he's fine now. It's just the
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: problem is they're ridiculously overprescribed, and there's another solution. The
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: other solution is a natural human solution. It doesn't involve medication.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: It involves exercise and nutrition and community. And we can
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: all encourage that for free. You can fucking do pushups
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: and bodyweight squats. It doesn't cost you a nickel. You
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: don't have to go to a pharmacy. Like all these things,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: all these things are already here. Like, why are we
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: developing addictive chemical solutions?
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: Because they're all addictive. Every one of them. I have
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: a good buddy right now who got off of them.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: He was doing great. And now he's back on them again.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: Cause he is, it just, his, he's fucked. His system's
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: fucked because he's been on it for 20 years. And it's,
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: it's scary because I know people that have been on
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: them that have done rash things and they've, They don't
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: feel like they are themselves anymore. And then there's also
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: the weird sexual side effects, the numbness of the generals,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: inability to have orgasms. There's a lot of fucking weird
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: shit attached to it when there's another solution.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: That's what's so.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: Here's some interesting context.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: According to Snopes, that guy was arrested after he posted this.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, the Vancouver thing.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: After he posted what? This document. This is not solicitation.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: If you find this document unattended, do not remove it
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: from the property where it was placed. Unless you're the
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: owner of said property, removing this document would make you
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: criminally liable for indictable offense carrying a penalty of up
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: to 10 years in prison. So what is this document?
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: It's on Google Docs. It's just a brief explanation. It's
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: talking about how China and Canada are corrupt and making
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: a dictator.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: It says China and the corrupt Canadian government are trying
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: to turn Vancouver into a dictatorship police state. China has
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: been classified as high-risk adversary by all long-term police. Democratic
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: Security Alliances, NATO, NORAD, the Five Eyes Alliance, the Canadian
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: Center for Cybersecurity, even Carney himself during elections. Carney has
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: committed treason via secret Chinese policing and law enforcement MOU,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: illegal Chinese police stations in Vancouver, selling Vancouver to China
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: via the Aboriginal People's Undrip. Well, is he right? So
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: that's right.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: I have no idea if he's right or not, but that's,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: it was saying he was not maybe an influencer, but
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: a commentator. He had like 67,000 followers on Instagram.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, and this could be why they're saying he's nuts. Right.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: Because he's, he's uncovering some shit that's probably going on.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, this is not exactly out
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: of the mainstream to be.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: Listen. The fucking mayor of Arcadia in California they just
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: found out was a Chinese spy. The mayor of a
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: city in California.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: Well, just today there was more about Swalwell and Fang Fang,
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: the Chinese spy.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: The guy wanted to be governor and he's like shacked
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: up with a spy. I wanted to.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: Make the joke. So the very first debate, the very
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: first TV debate, you know, you're kind of getting ready.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: And I really wanted to make... A sort of fang, fang, bang,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: bang joke. No, fang, fang, gang, bang. Yeah, it's an
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: obvious joke, right?
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: So he admitted to physical relations.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he denied it for all the time. Denied it.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: So just today he admitted it?
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: I think it's just in the news today.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. Well, was he trying to
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: make a comeback? No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bang the spy.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: Whoopsies. But anyway, I really wanted to make this joke
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: about him. the Fang Fang, it's just so, you can't
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: resist it, right?
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: It's a funny name.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: Exactly, bang bang bang whatever anyway so and then he
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: didn't show up and then and i think well he
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: denied that it's can i really say that you know
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: right you've got to be fit you've got to try
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: and be good for you so eddie but then he
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: didn't show up to the debate because he claimed that
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: there was i don't know he had some vote or
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: whatever well i never got to debate him.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: The idea that this kid in in canada is being
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: brought into uh for mental health evaluation and in prison
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: because he's uncovering that. That's not unprecedented. That's, that's believable.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's true. He might also have
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: been a little kooky. This is, again, I don't know
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: if the videos that I saw are real, but the
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: videos that I, again, especially considering what we're talking about now,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: if you were trying to make someone look insane, that
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: was uncovering some real serious corruption with a foreign government. Right.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: Which is possible.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: Of course it's possible. And also, it's America, right? We're
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: in a huge country. It's, like, beautifully crazy in many ways. Yes.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: People can think, and they've got the internet. And you
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: get people's, you know, honestly, all the time, people are
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: giving me things. You know, they shove things in my
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: hand or an envelope, whatever. And I open it up
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: every single time. Because half the time, it's something that's,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: you know, something conspiratorial that isn't right. Or it doesn't
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: seem right. And other times it's like really good ideas.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: But the point is that they actually are useful. Or
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: they'll make me think about something in a different way.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: But the point is that, yes, there's lots of people
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: out there with somewhat crazy ideas. You can't lock them
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: all up.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: It's not just that. There's lots of real corruption. And
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: if this guy posts this... And has there been an investigation?
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: Do we know whether or not this is an act?
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: Has it been completely debunked? Because if it has, oh, well,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: then maybe you're right. Maybe he's crazy. Or if it
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: turns out that everything he's saying is true, maybe he's
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: a slightly crazy person who's also uncovering the truth.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Sometimes it takes obsessive people.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: That was the premise of that Mel Gibson movie, remember?
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: He was crazy, but he was actually right?
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: No, which one?
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: I think it was called Conspiracy Theory.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, was that with Julia Roberts? Yeah. It was fun.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: That's great. Yeah.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. He was like a nutty dude
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: who was on to things. He's basically like Alex Jones.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: That sounds really interesting.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: It's a good movie.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: You know, for the time. A little dated. You go
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: watch it today, you'll be like, eh.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: One of the things is I went on the road
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: the whole time. Like, long drives. It's California. And so
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: I find some of these, you know, every now and
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: again you just want something. You know, so there's a
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: lot of movies, it turns out. that are big parts
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: of American culture that I haven't seen. We watched, what
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: was it the other night?
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: Superbad. I'd never seen it.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: I'd never seen it. It's so good.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: It's one of the best comedies of all time.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: It was so good, and I'd never seen it.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: I unfortunately tried watching with my kids when they were
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: 10 and 12. I'm like, here, sit down, watch this.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: And we shut it off after three minutes. I'm like,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: this is, sorry. I forgot.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: It's so good.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: Brilliant writing. I mean, it's not just like... Funny and
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: a kind of slapstick with a bit of that. But
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: it was just really clever.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: The scene where the kid's just sitting in class drawing dicks.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: It's so funny. By the way, could not make that
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: movie today. And the people who made that movie would
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: not make that movie today.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: We were literally talking about it. So my friend Eric,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: he's on my team. We've become good friends. You met
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: him earlier. Like, that's exactly what we're saying. Like, you
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: couldn't make it.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: They got captured. That's the problem with being on the
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: team of the left. They got captured by an ideology
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: that destroyed comedy in their world, right? They cannot do
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: that kind of comedy anymore. Nobody believes that you support
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: all the things these people are saying. You're just showing
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: a ridiculous human being who's saying some crazy shit, and
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: it makes you laugh. It's not changing the fucking world.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: It's not altering anybody's opinions, and it's not going to
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: force people to do anything that they wouldn't ordinarily do.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: No good person is going to watch that movie and
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: want to go out and do bad things. That's not
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: how it works. It's just a piece of art. It's
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: just like Bob Marley didn't really shoot the sheriff, okay?
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: It's a fucking piece of art. It's a piece of art,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: and it's a piece of art that we have fucked up.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: It's particularly movies because movies are attached to Hollywood. And
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: then stand-up comedy, fortunately, has an out. And because of
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: the internet, we don't need Hollywood anymore. But because of that,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: we now get labeled right-winged. Especially stand-up comedy that's not adherent.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: And I don't want to call it anti-woke because that's silly.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: Because it's not anti-woke. It's just comedy. It's just like
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: woke doesn't allow certain subjects.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: It should be anti-establishment. And when the establishment is taken
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: over by an ideology, it happens to be that. But
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: you go the other way when it's... the people in power.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: It's supposed to be against the people in power.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: It's supposed to be what is funny.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: What is funny, fair enough.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: What is funny. Yeah. Across the board. And as soon
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: as you say, no, you can't make fun of this anymore.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Why? Yeah. Why?
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: It's a religion. It's basically like it's blasphemy to make
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: fun of whatever you, whatever you decided.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. Yeah.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: And that killed that kind of movie.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: Those fucking movies were everywhere. The Hangover. There was always
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: a movie like that. Fucking, there's so many of them.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: A lot of them. We were just talking about it
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: the other night.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Ace Ventura Pet Detective, the whole premise was about
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: a transgender woman. And you find out she's transgender and
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: everybody throws up. Do you remember?
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: No, I haven't seen it.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: You never saw Ace Ventura Pet Detective?
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: No. I know. We've got to do a list.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: You're too busy watching Monty Hall over there. Fucking Benny
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: Hill reruns.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: My favorite Benny Hill thing.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: Benny Hill was like.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: So I'm not saying this, but I couldn't... There's a
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: friend of mine at Fox. She's called Kennedy. She's very funny.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: And she used to always... Do you remember Janet Yellen?
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: She always called her Benny Hill. And then the minute
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: I saw that, that I saw a picture of her
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: the next time, I.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: Just couldn't... Kennedy was an MTV VJ.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: She's great.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: And then she became a Republican talking head on Fox.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's nuts.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: She's a real libertarian, though.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: But isn't it interesting?
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: Like someone's like on MTV with like a girl with
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: glasses on. You're like, oh, progressive. For sure. And then
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: winds up on.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: But she's cool. She's libertarian.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: She seems very smart.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: She's great. Very funny. She does Freedom Fest. She's like,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: that's a, she's a big part of that. The libertarian thing.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: She's great.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: How'd she go from being a VJ? Like, I don't know.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: Here's the next fucking, you know.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: Well, she's from LA. She's very young. She's great. She
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: used to call Janet Yellen Betty Hill.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: That's funny.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: But I love, no, the comedy thing, like, that's another joy, actually.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: So I used to really, so Eric's really into Louis C.K.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: So I've, I'd seen a bit of him, obviously, but,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: I've watched a lot now. He's so great. I mean,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: we've really enjoyed that.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: Brilliant comedian. Brilliant.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: Brilliant.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it did some fucking ridiculous weird shit, but,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: but the way they described it was so different than
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: the actual acts themselves.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: Also his response to it was brilliant. That show where
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: he addressed it was so good.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: He had a weird kink where he wanted people to
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: watch him jerk off and he would ask them. And
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: if they said yes, he would do it. Look, I
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: don't think you should do that. I think it seems
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: crazy to be standing in front of a couple of
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: girls and jerking off in front of them, but I'm
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: not him, okay? And I also didn't say, if I
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: said no, open the door, let me out, and then
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't let me out, that's a different story. But
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: that's not what anybody was alleging. It's just kind of
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: gross and weird, and I think he would probably admit
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: to that. But, you know.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: He did, and he had a very funny, I thought
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: it was brilliant, I can't remember exactly, but the first
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: big show he did after that, when he sort of
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: returned from like being.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: His art though, is like what you got to judge. Like,
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: what is he, as long as he's not done, did
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: what like Bill Cosby did. Like that, that's a completely
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: different thing.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It didn't seem that it was a kind of systematic,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: like really machine, like a predatory thing that was just
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: a ongoing.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: It was a weird kink.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: He had a weird kink. He wanted to jerk off
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: in front of people.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: Like, okay.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: It, it, So, look, I get that people would be upset,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: and if you don't want to watch this comedy anymore,
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: I get that too. That's fine. Everybody has– that's your prerogative. But, like,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: the comedy itself is some of the best comedy that's
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: ever been written.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: Ever been done. He's one of the best to ever
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: do it. I mean, if you have a top whatever
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: group of comedians– Is he.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: In your kind of gang here? How do you, like– Well, he's.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: In New York, but he actually helped me design the club.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: He came when it was bare bones, and we went
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: over the club, and he gave me a bunch of
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: great suggestions, and I implemented all of them. Our rooms
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: are named after the nuclear bombs that were dropped on
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So it's Fat Man and Little Boy
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: are our rooms. There's a reason for that. The reason
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: is actually because it's the comedy mothership. It's a UFO-based
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: comedy club. The UFOs really started showing up in America
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: after the nuclear bomb. So once the nuclear weapons program
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: was implemented in the 1940s, the amount of UFO sightings
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: went through the roof. And the real big ones were
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: like Roswell, New Mexico, which is 47. So right after
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: the war. So this is like part of UFO folklore.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: So that's why we did it. That's why we named
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: him after the nuclear bomb and not making light of
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: people dying in horrific nuclear bombs. um so he uh
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: told me to make the stage smaller in the little
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: room it was great idea i was like right why
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: is the stage so big small room and then he
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: also said can you it was already a low ceiling
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: he's like can you lower it more i'm like we
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: can lower it like right to the top of that
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: door it's like you should do that and he gave
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: me some advice on sound deadening in the room and
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: what to do and make it you know how to
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: make the sound crystal clear and Just great, awesome advice.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: And the beautiful thing about that club is I took
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: advice from every comedian that was in town. I'd bring
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: them there. I'd go, tell me what you think. What
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: would you want? Like if you wanted to design a
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: comedy club, I'll literally let you. Just tell me what
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: you think. And we ran it through a vote. So
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: there's a whole group of us. And it was like
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: me and Brian Simpson and Ron White and Tony Hinchcliffe
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: and all these guys that were good friends of mine
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: that we performed with all the time. We all just
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: sat around. None of the ideas were like, I think
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: we should do this. I didn't do that with any
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: of them. I said, tell me what you guys want
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: to do. And they were like, you should have this. Like, okay,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: we'll do that. We should have monitors in the green room.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: We should see the guy on stage. Okay, let's do that.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: What else? And everything anybody said, we did. We should
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: have free mental health services for all the employees. So
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: we did that. So free availability for counseling, psychiatry. We
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: have that. Psychologists, they can all go to counselors. So
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: that's free. Healthcare, take care of everything. Give the comedians
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: way more money than any other club does. We did that.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: We're just like, what does everybody want? What does everybody want?
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: What does it look like?
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: Let's do it, and let's do it in a way
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: where we're just trying to make the best thing possible.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: We're not doing it like, let's make the most money.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: We're just trying to not lose money. So let's just
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: do it that way. And it worked. And it worked because...
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: of people like Louis CK and all these people that
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: came by and gave us advice and told us, you know,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: what they think.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: Fantastic.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: So yeah. So Louis is great. I love him. He's
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: fucking really smart guy, but like a lot of smart guys,
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: he's fucking weird. You know, a lot of.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: People, I think that about these AI want to be
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: a great comedian.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: You have to be a fucking weirdo. You know, they're
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: all just weird in different ways. Chappelle's weird in his way.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: You know, Chris Rock's weird in his way. Hinchcliffe's weird
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: in his way. They're all weird. Shane's weird. Everyone's weird.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: It's an incredible thing to do, honestly. Just, it's like really,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: in a tiny way, I'm not even comparing it, but
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: I'm comparing this in terms of what I'm doing, which
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: is you've got to go there and you've got, I
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: don't know, just in the last few days, you've got
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: hundreds of people and you've got to entertain them. Now,
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: I'm mainly talking about politics. which is much easier because
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: you've got, you know, material that's just obvious and out
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: there and it's pull it, but it's, you gotta keep
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: them entertained. You can't be boring. You can't like, and it's,
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: you know, you've got to give a good show. Yes.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: And so the thought of doing that and being funny
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: for all of it, instead of what I do, which
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: is throw in the odd joke, you know, political joke
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: or something, or self-deprecating joke, you know. That's nothing.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: But you're not focusing on that. If you focus on that,
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: you could do it.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: No, but I'm just saying, I now really appreciate how
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: hard it is.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: It is and it isn't. Joey Diaz has the greatest saying.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: He goes, it's the fucking hardest, easiest thing you'll ever do.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: Because when you're flowing, it's easy. You know, when you're
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: up there and you're killing, it's so easy. It's hard
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: constructing the material.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: I was going to say a lot of preparation.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of preparation and there's a lot of
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: time you have to spend alone thinking. And then you
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: have to spend a lot of time bullshitting with your friends.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: Because sometimes like the green room conversations, some of us
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: like Brian Simpson said something the other day and we're like,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: write that down. Write that down. We force each other like, right, dude,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: that's a bit. That's 100% a bit. And he started
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: doing it on stage and it's killing. Like that happens too.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: And it's like. The camaraderie and the fun of being together,
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: it brews comedy.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: But you also need time in front of the fucking
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: computer or the notebook. You need to be sitting there
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: going over your stuff. If you don't do that, you're
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: not going to come up with new material. And then
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: you have to try it out. And you have to
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: be willing to trot it out there. You have this idea.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: It's only existed in your head.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: And you're kind of. convinced that there's something there, but
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: you're not totally sure. You're like, what do you think
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: about this? And you just throw it out there. And
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: sometimes it's great. And it's like 50, 50, sometimes it's
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: dog shit. And by it's 50, 50 to what I
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: bring to the stage, whether it's even got life, but
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: writing it down, it's like not even, it's like, you know,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: It's like the Canadian healthcare system for maid. It's like
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: one out of 20. One out of 20 is any good.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: No, I think it's just really, no, I think it's, well,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: I totally appreciate what you're saying, but it's very, I mean,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: to me, it seems the ultimate, you're just putting yourself
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: You're definitely putting yourself out there, but you're also doing
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: it this way too. Like when you're having conversations, maybe
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: you're putting yourself out there even more. Because you're actually
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: putting out your opinions and some of them you had
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: no idea you were going to discuss.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: So you're just trotting it out there thinking out loud
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: in front of millions of people like we're doing right now.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: When you're doing stand up like I know these by
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: the time anyone sees me perform at a club where
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: they're paying money. Most of those bits I've been doing.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: So I've been like I'm just trying to add to
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: them and. hone them and say them the right way
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: and move the order around.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: That's why also I love about it because I really
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: do love it and that's why I've really enjoyed, like
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: I said, Eric's really into it and he's shown me
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: a lot of comedians I didn't know about and I just,
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: I love words and language anyway. You know, I've written,
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: but in completely different, I've written books and whatever, TV
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: scripts when I did my show, that kind of thing.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: So I really appreciate language and I love just how,
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: Changing the order of a word or whatever can just
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: make something work or not work.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: It's brilliant.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: Changing the order of a word, changing the way you
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: do it. Sometimes you do a joke, like Louis used
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: to do that, where he would like reverse a joke,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: like turn it around. And then maybe he would like
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: take it and do his best joke and open with
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: it so that his jokes afterwards had to get better
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: to follow his best joke. Yeah, it's a constant little
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: fucking laboratory up there. And you need the audience in
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: order to find the life to whatever the.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: Hell you're doing.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: Do you see their faces? Oh, yeah. Or the lights
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: too much in your face?
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: You can see most of the first few rows.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: Right, because that's important, must be.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: It helps. It definitely helps.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: It's not just listening to the volume of laughs, is it?
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: There's both things, but obviously they're, they're there to have
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: a good time. You've, but my job's easier because I'm
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: going on after the, they're already laughing. Right. So there's
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: been a few people on before me, everybody's having a
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: good time. And then you're, you're basically just connecting with them.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: You know, you find them, what's up? How are you? You, you,
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: you like let them get comfortable. You connect with them.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: And then you're just doing the material. You're just finding
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: the reality. You have to be like, Whatever you're saying,
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: you have to be 100% thinking about that thing only.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: You can't be thinking, and then I'm going to say
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: it like that. No, you have to be thinking about
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: the thing. And that's it. That's the primary thought. You
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: know the pacing of it. You know what's coming next,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: but you don't think about what's coming next. You think
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: about the thing. And that's where preparation is important. You
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: have to make sure that you have a set list
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: and order. But you also have to be flexible because
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: there's going to be moments where you want to dive
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: out of that set order and something might happen in
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: the audience or something might come up. and you have
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: another thing, another take, and you're like, this would go
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: better right here, so I'll shove this in here, and
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: then you have to remember your order, and go, I
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: didn't do this, I'll put that later.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: It's so funny, it's not the same, but there's a similarity,
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: because I do all these things, and you've got bits, really,
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: which is my thing on high-speed rail, and sometimes, and
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: there's a long version of it, and a short version
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: of it, and whatever, and then suddenly you'll find yourself
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: doing it even though I hadn't intended to.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: And then, oh shit, that's like really long and I've
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: got to finish. Like, what am I going to cut?
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: So it's very sort of, I mean, it's not the same,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: but it's similar.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: It's similar.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: And I definitely find.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: Trump does bits. Oh yeah.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: And he goes on for so, I'm never doing that long, but.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: Remember when he just did this impromptu bit about Biden
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: losing himself on stage, just wandering around, not knowing where
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: he was. It's like he's doing standup. Like everyone's laughing.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: Exactly. But I find it much better. I much prefer
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: it when you're closer to the people, like physically, when
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: you're not on some stage miles away, that kind of thing.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, comedy club's the way to do it. That's the
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: real way. However, there's something very intimate about doing an
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: arena in the round.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: So I've done a bunch of those where you're standing
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: on a circular stage in the center of the people.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: And what's intimate about that is all the people over
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: here are looking at all the people over here. Everybody
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: sees everybody. You see each other. It's the right way
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: to do it. Because that way, everybody's seeing everybody else
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: having fun, and they're a lot closer than you think
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: they are. They're all right there. There's a lot of them,
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: but the comedy sprays out to the outer edges. But
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: the center hive all around the stage, which is thousands
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: of people in a 16,000 seat arena, you're looking in
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: the eyes of 6,000 people plus. And it's like they're
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: all seeing each other. It's very intimate, oddly. Great, it's
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: fun as opposed to like a big arena when you're
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: standing on a very high stage and the people are
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: all out there that feels crazy that feels very detached
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: that's not my favorite that's my least favorite is an
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: arena where it's just a flat stage and you're not
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: like surrounded by them.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah I agree It feels like you're just delivering something
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: rather than connecting.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: Exactly. But a theater can be pretty intimate too. Like,
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: especially when you're used to doing arenas. If I do
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: like a 3000 seat theater, it's kind of intimate. It's like,
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: it's all what you're comfortable with too. That's a part
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: of it too. It's like, are you comfortable with all
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: these people staring at you?
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I never, you see, that's the weird thing. I
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: would never have, suddenly I'm doing, I've never done it before. Right.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: And suddenly you have all these, you know, and it's amazing.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, I love, The response. But it's it is
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: weird because I've gone from nothing to this. And you
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: go in a room like hundreds of people like cheering.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: What's the biggest crowd you've had to speak in front of? Probably.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: Well, probably when I did Megyn Kelly's show, when Megyn
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: Kelly was here. Yeah. Not here in California. And I did.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: I did a spot there.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: I did the announcement.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: It was in an arena in Bakersfield.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: The announcement for the UFC weigh-ins. So I emceed the
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: weigh-ins at the Ellipse on the White House.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: So it was 80,000 people. That was fucking nuts. That
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: was the most people I've ever talked to.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: And that was a very different way of talking because
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: all I'm doing is reading people's names in their official way.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: It's very easy.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: You know, it's just hyping it up. Getting everybody pumped up. Yeah.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: You know, like, ladies and gentlemen, Ilya Toporia. And he
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: comes out and everybody goes crazy. It's easy. But it's
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: the vibe, the feeling of 80,000 people is fucking nuts.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: It's a weird feeling. You know, Shane Gillis, my buddy,
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: just did stand-up.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: I heard. He sold 76,000 tickets.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: Philadelphia, right?
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: A fucking football stadium. That had to be. insanity.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: Well, you could do that easy if you wanted to.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: You'd get the people.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: It's a crazy thing to do. I don't know if
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: I could do that easy. It's not easy. He broke
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: the world record. And Shane's huge. And he's really funny.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: He's like one of the funniest guys ever.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good example. I'd never seen him before.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'd get him to come down tonight. I don't
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: know if he's there. He did the Fox News dad one.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: That was the first thing I saw.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's got so many good bits. Have you ever
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: seen his bit about George Washington's museum?
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. I would request it from him all
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: the time. I'm like, please do that bit. It's so
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: funny about George Washington's false teeth being made out of lead.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: Because they were. It's such a crazy bit. It's so good.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: He's a great comedian. And that's all he cares about.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: That's what he loves. And he's, like, all in. And
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: just an awesome guy, too. When you're around him, he's
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: just so fun. And, like, everyone always smiles. You're around him.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: He's contagious. He's a contagious party.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: Fun guy. But we're really lucky that there's a lot
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: of those guys here now. This is a giant hive
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: of them now.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: Well, you've built that.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: Well, we all did. We all came here.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: No, I hear what you're saying, that they contributed.
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: Well, they had to be here for me to be
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: able to do it. This is not a thing that
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: I could have ever done and said, hey, everybody move
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: here now. It would have never worked. They had to
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: already be here. Everybody moved here before I even had
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: a club. A lot of them did.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, Segura moved here before I had a club.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: Was that a pandemic thing?
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: Like, getting out of places was ridiculous.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, getting out of places and going to a place
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: where you can actually perform. We're all addicts. You know,
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: stand-up comedy is a very, very addictive thing. And if
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: there's a place where you can go, where you can
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: do it, and your friends already live there. And for me,
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: it was Ron White.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: And it was also, there's a thing about the freeness
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: of this city, like the freeness of Texas, the freedom
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: that you had here to be able to go to
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: a restaurant. Your businesses could stay open. They didn't put
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: the same kind of restrictions. They had a small lockdown
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: for a short amount of time. And they went, okay,
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: let's get back to work. And they did. And California's like,
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: we're going to die. There's people still driving around their
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: cars with masks on.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: I know. It's so crazy. I remember- It's so funny
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: thinking about it because I was reminded of all this
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: because of the Fauci stuff the other day.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Fauci stuff. It's wild.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: Because I was really, honestly, I mean, I did this
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: show on Fox News. I would never say I'm a journalist, right, ever.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 2: It was an opinion show. I just said what I thought.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: But I did do some, like one piece of journalism,
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: like actual journalism, which is the Fauci stuff. It's infuriating,
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 2: you know, the origin of the virus. I really did.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: lay that all out in a way that no one
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: else did because I had these people I knew at Stanford.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 2: I taught at Stanford. So a lot of that information
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: about Fauci and the origin and all of that, I had.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: And people helped me piece it together. And it's just
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: infuriating that he's still skating.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: Well, the most infuriating to me thing was that he
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: knew about the miscarriages during the first trimester. He knew
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 1: about that. And he was still promoting it for pregnant women.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: Like how many women listened to him and got vaccinated
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: and then had a miscarriage? We don't even know what
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: the numbers are, right? Because those are never reported as
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: vaccine injuries. We have no idea.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was listening to, who did you have
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: on the other week? That lady who wrote the book,
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: you got into it with her. She had a book
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: you're talking about. I can't remember. She's like an investigative.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: Annie Jacobson?
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: About the germ warfare? About biological warfare?
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: So I was just listening to that. And then, I did,
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 2: like you're talking about.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: We didn't really get into it. We didn't argue.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: A little bit, just on the origins and the gain
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 2: of function and all of that.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 1: Oh. Well, she just probably was trying to be politically
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: correct and probably not.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: Well, anyway.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: I was still trying to sell books or something.
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know. All I remember thinking is I wanted to,
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: is that it's still not, I don't think understood how
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: directly Fauci was implicated. Like it's still, you hear this
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: language of, oh, he, you know, he funded. Mm-hmm. The
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: gain of, no, he, he pushed it. This was his thing.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 2: He really, really was the main global champion of gain
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: of function.
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: Not only that, he enforced the narrative that this was
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: not a lab leak and that a lab, talking about
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: it as a lab leak was racist. Yes.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: He, the thing that, I remember when I first laid
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: that out and it was, you know, it's still on the,
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: on my Wikipedia. I pushed the conspiracy theory that, you know,
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: Fauci did the virus, but he did the, the, I
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: always try and show people like when they say, well,
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: why would he do something like that? He was really
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: the main advocate. There's a piece he wrote. I always
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: start with this, which is, I think it's December, 2011,
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: because gain of function had been around a few years.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: They started with the ferrets or whatever, and they had
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: this new technique, Ralph Baric. and all of that. And
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: then it became very controversial in the scientific community. You
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: had a whole bunch of scientists saying, this is crazy.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 2: This is going to lead to a pandemic. You have
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: people saying that. And Fauci argued back. And he wrote
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 2: this piece at the end of 2011 with the other guy,
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: Francis Collins, who ran the NIH, saying that engineering, I
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: think it's almost an example, engineering a potentially dangerous virus
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: in the laboratory is is a risk worth taking. He
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: wrote that. Like, he was pushing this stuff. And, like,
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: the thing that everyone... It was his initiative. It wasn't he, like,
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: passively funded this thing that some other minions were doing.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: This was his big thing. Yeah. It's just outrageous that
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: it hasn't been. And he broke the rules. That's the
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 2: other part that people forget. That Obama, in 2014, put
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: a moratorium on it. Yes. Which included stuff that was
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: already in train, which included the project that led to COVID.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: And then again, people often say, well, Trump lifted the moratorium.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: He did, but he put back a new thing, which
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: was it was called the potential pandemic pathogens thing protocol,
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: which said that when you renew a project, it should
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 2: go to independent review. He broke that as well. So
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 2: he broke the rules to push this. And he's like
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: still not really had to pay any price for it.
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: Unless you say his reputation.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: Well, the reputation, but he's also so old that he's
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: not working anymore anyway. But the thing about it was
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: that pardon that gave him a pardon for crimes that
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: he had not been convicted for, which had never happened before.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: A preemptive pardon and also for 10 whole years for
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: everything he did. He could have been eating babies for
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: 10 years and like, no, pardon.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: Fine.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: And then when you have a pardon, you're not supposed
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: to be able to plead the 5th. And yet he
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: pleads the fifth with everything, including the color of his
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: fucking tie.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 2: It's just disgusting.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: He's a strange guy. And the fact that he was
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: a hero really shows how sick people were in 2020
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: looking for some sort of a solution. They didn't know
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: his history. They didn't know what he did during the
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: AIDS crisis. He's a scary person.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 2: He scares me. And the arrogance of it. And the
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: thing that I also really get really pissed off about
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 2: still is when you hear the conversation around this Going
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 2: back now to the lockdowns and all of that and
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: the school closures, there was such a disaster, businesses, churches.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: And people say, well, we didn't really know. And it
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: was early and we were just being, we did know.
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: It's not true.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: I did a piece march 2020 like right it was
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: in the before the end of 15 days to slow
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: the spread right at the beginning because i got to
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: know through stanford jay batacharia john you need is all
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 2: these guys that were speaking out they did a blood
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: whatever call it sarah prevalence thing in Santa Clara County,
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: where this whole thing started, proving everything that we now knew,
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: including what Fauci now we know from whatever his diary,
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: knew as well.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: Those Santa Clara County, is this the two doctors that
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: they went public with this and then they lost their
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: license and they were shamed?
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: No, this is different. This is Jay and John Ioannidis.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: They were the... So Ioannidis was.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: was that he was one of the people that was
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: kicked off of Twitter, correct?
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 2: And worse than that, kicked off, really persecuted by Stanford.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: They need to be held accountable. That was a crazy thing.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: So the first lockdown in the country was Santa Clara County,
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 2: in one of the Bay Area counties. Then the next day,
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 2: the other Bay Area counties did it. And then after that,
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 2: Gavin did statewide. That's where it started. And the woman
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: who pushed it was the public health... God, I haven't
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: talked about this for ages. the public health director or
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: whatever of Santa Clara County, Sarah Cody. And she was
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: married to the head of Stanford Medicine. And Jay spoke
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: out against what was going on with actual data. They
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: did a study of what was happening in the community
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: that proved that the case fatality rate was far lower
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: than what they're saying.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: Well, it was also in the leaked emails.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: All of this.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: He was aware that it was far lower. And he
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: was still promoting it.
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: Exactly. But the point is that this is, again, corruption.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: Because he was speaking out against the lockdowns that were
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: pushed by this woman, Sarah Cody. Her husband, who was
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: head of Stanford Medicine, persecuted Jay. He was treated so badly.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 2: They suspended him. They accused him of some bullshit investigation
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: into him. Outrageous. No one's ever done anything about that
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: as far as I can tell with Stanford.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: No, it's creepy to watch that top-down power in action
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: when you know that they're lying. And when you're seeing
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: these text messages and emails, yeah. The Fauci thing is
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: very creepy. It just shows you why he was pushing
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: for that pardon. But then there's the question of whether
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: or not that pardon is even legitimate because it's all
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: auto pen stuff.
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: And Biden was out of his fucking mind. I know.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: But the thing I always think is also this, the
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: state level, it's a federal pardon.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: So states are going to, but then there's this immunity
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 2: if you're doing stuff in your public role, you can't
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: be sued for that or something.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, I mean, he lives in hell.
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, he knows, but I think he's a bit
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 1: of a sociopath. I think there's something about him. Like
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: when he was prescribing people AZT for AIDS, he's a doctor.
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: He's well aware that AZT was pulled as a cancer
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: medication because it was killing people quicker than cancer. They
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: were using it as chemotherapy and people were dying faster.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 1: And so they already had this FDA approved drug. And
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: so this new gay cancer, I mean, they literally were
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: calling it the gay cancer at first. They just started
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: giving it to them. Like, well, we have a medication
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: for it. And then Fauci's on record saying the reason
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: why we prescribe AZT is because it's the only medicine
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: that's both safe and effective. Effective at what? Effective at
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: killing asymptomatic people? They were also using the same playbook
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: that they used during COVID by using these testing methods
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: that had an enormous amount of false positives. Like Kerry
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: Mullis himself was, there's a video of him. He's the
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: guy who invented PCR testing. He's talking about Fauci. Fauci
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. He's like,
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 1: he's a bureaucrat. The guy's full of shit. He doesn't
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 1: know that you should never use a PCR to determine
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: whether or not someone is ill. He's like, it's not
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: how it works. Because if you ramp up the cycles enough,
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 1: you could find anything. And that's what they did during COVID.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: They felt like it's 80 something percent false positives. Fortunately,
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of those people weren't forced to take AZT.
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot of people that turned positive for
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: HIV that probably didn't have it at all. They gave
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: them AZT and they were fucking dead. And this is
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: the he's the villain in the Dallas Buyers Club, that
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: movie with Matthew McConaughey. That's all about people who have
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: AIDS seeking alternative treatments and being denied them because he
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: was trying to find a vaccine for it even back then.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: They were testing the vaccine for it on fucking foster
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: kids and killing them in New York. It's all in R.F.K.
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: Jr.
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: 's book. And again, if his book lies, how come
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: he hasn't been sued?
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: It's really amazing how they're able to get away with
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: stuff that's truly evil.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: Truly evil, yeah. Testing the AIDS vaccine on foster kids.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. And them dying? It's crazy. The AZT thing
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: is crazy.
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know what determines the media mindset towards something
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: or whatever that means that this story gets attention and
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: massive focus.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's really simple. It's really simple. Pharmaceutical drug commercials.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: All that would change if they're not allowed to advertise.
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: We're one of two countries in the fucking world that
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: allow pharmaceutical drugs to advertise on television. One of them
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 1: is New Zealand, and they're far more restrictive than us.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: And because of that, you have ads that you see
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: that are playing on CNN that are not even for
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: a drug that's commonly used for some weird condition.
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 2: That very few people have. Persuade you you've got the condition.
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: What they're really doing is not selling drugs. What they're
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: really doing is making sure that CNN does never talk
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: shit about the pharmaceutical drug companies and doesn't do any
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: stories on the adverse side effects and doesn't do any
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: stories about how many of them get pulled by the
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: FDA that initially get approved and they find such horrific
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: side effects. They have to pull them because it's a
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 1: large percentage. It's fucking nuts, man. Who was it that
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 1: brought it up that was explaining how he had figured
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: out a long time ago that the reason why they
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: spend so much money on advertising is is not because
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: they're trying to sell drugs. They're trying to buy these networks.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: Well, it makes sense. It's an enormous part of their
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: ad budget, right? And they spend so much money on television.
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: And who the fuck is watching CNN at this stage
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: of the game, you know? What are their numbers? Their
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: numbers are pretty piss poor.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 3: They are.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: For the amount of money that these drug companies are spending.
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: And then you see so many ads. So many. For this,
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 1: and everyone's always at a barbecue. I know.
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: They're always having fun. They're having fun. There was a
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: brilliant parody that Nicole Shanahan did when she was with Bobby.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: She did a brilliant one for TDS. Do you suffer
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: from TDS? Trump Derangement Syndrome. She did it like a
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 2: pharma ad.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's funny.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: It was really, really great. That's so crazy. But the
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 2: thing I was thinking of when you, like the, You know,
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: you've got really dark human consequences. So like, you know,
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: obviously I'm focused on it because he's my opponent. But
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: the story of Becerra and the kids, the migrant kids,
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 2: it's a story. I bring it up to people and
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: a lot of people have never heard about it. Like
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: literally no idea. What is the story? He had a job,
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: Bobby's job. And Bobby County's job, HHS secretary. And you had,
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: it was during the four years that you had the
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: open board. And the way it works is that... And
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 2: millions of people come across the open border. We don't
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: know exactly how many, but the unaccompanied kids are the
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: responsibility of HHS. That's how the system works. So he
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: was responsible for them. And the total number we know,
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 2: because it's recorded, 479,000 kids.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 1: Unaccompanied.
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 2: Kids without parents. It's an amazing number in the four
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 2: years of the Biden administration. All of those kids were
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: like Javier Becerra's responsibility. So they were overwhelmed. They set
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 2: up these camps. Do you not know any of this?
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 2: They have these camps they set up to process the kids.
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: In Florida, Texas, there were three in California. And the
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 2: point was to try and get the kids to a
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 2: safe sponsor, relative, someone who'd look after them. And they
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: had so many, they were overwhelmed. And there's really bad
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 2: stuff going on in the camps. There were reports of
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: sexual abuse the older kids you know some of the
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: older kids were like you know 17 year old rough
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: you know some were gang members whatever so there was
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: all this shit going on in the camps sexual abuse
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 2: physical abuse it was bad and it was like pictures
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: of you know like we went to one in Pomona
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: one of the exhibition halls like 150 kids on cots
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: it was bad and so Becerra wants these kids out
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: because it looks bad and they'd gone on and on
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: about kids in cages with Trump. And so he basically,
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 2: and we've now got these whistleblowers coming forward and the
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: New York Times reported it. The New York Times broke
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: this story, but it's just basically not gone anywhere. They
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: did it in 2023. He dismantled the vetting that was
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: supposed to put the kids with a safe place. And
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: so they lost track of thousands of kids And many
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: went to child sex traffickers, slave labor, child labor traffickers.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: Just horrific stories.
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: What was the rationale for it?
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: Because they weren't moving them out of the camps quickly enough.
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 2: So we had a whistleblower. come to us because these
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 2: people said, how can he be governor? Who said, we
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: were supposed to connect the kids with the responsible adult,
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 2: check their identity, ID checks, home visits, all this. But
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: the instruction was, it's going too slowly. We got to
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: get the kids out. She said, speed over safety. And
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 2: so when they raised flags about it, like 200 kids
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: sent to an address that turned out to be a
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: container lot, like not a real address. It was just
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: a front for traffickers. A kid sent to a woman
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 2: who was wanted by Interpol, like a gang member, like
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 2: just crazy. So when they raised those stories, they were fired.
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 2: Like it's really terrible what happened. And still, I mean,
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: HHS just published them because they were still responsible. Numbers from,
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: I think it was two weeks ago, that there's 330,000
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: that they're still missing. They don't know where they are.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 2: 40 kids died. Like, it's really bad. And yet, it's
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 2: like Fauci's like, he's the candidate for governor. No one's
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: really calling him out on it. It's amazing to me.
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 2: it's really bad, Joe.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: Honestly, you've got, that is crazy. You've got to be
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 1: responsible for that many kids and say speed over safety.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: So there's a story again, the whistle blow we've put
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 2: out about the videos. I mean, some people, you know,
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: this woman said she was a caseworker at Pomona and
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: Becerra actually visited that camp, visited, did a photo op, whatever.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: And he's going on about how we're doing a good
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 2: job of finding safe places, whatever. Um, And then the interviewer,
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: I was at the taping. She's in a job where
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 2: she doesn't want retaliation. So I was there for the
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 2: two hours we taped the conversation. And the interviewer asks her,
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: did anything change after Becerra's visit? She said, yeah. Everything
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: had to speed up. And they had strike teams that
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: were set up to tell us, don't check. When she
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: would say, this ID is obviously a fake ID for
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 2: this person. Like the photos, like a selfie, it's obviously fake.
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 2: Don't worry, just send them quick, get them out. Jesus Christ.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: And even the New York Times story had a boy who,
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 2: she had a few examples because she tracked them down.
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 2: She won a Pulitzer Prize for it. A kid who
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 2: ended up in a, I don't know, meat packing plant, 13,
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 2: 14 year old, had his arm ripped off in an accident.
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 2: Our girl, one of those, she came forward as a whistleblower,
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: a victim. She was on camera. She said, you know,
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 2: she's telling the story. She was like put on a
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: plane and they said, you know, what happens? They didn't
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: let her take her stuff. She was met at the
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 2: other end. She said, there's three guys. She has no
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 2: idea who these people are. She's from, I think, Guatemala.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 2: It was El Salvador. Gets in a car with three guys.
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 2: No idea. Taken to a house. She has to work
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 2: 20 hours a day. sleep on the floor with four
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 2: guys in a room. She's a girl from, you know,
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 2: it's just, and there's so many of these stories. Bobby,
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 2: the way Bobby puts it is that Becerra turned HHS
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 2: into the largest child trafficking operation in history. Holy fuck. Yeah, exactly.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: And this guy's running for governor of California?
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 2: I remember, honestly, Joe, like, When we did these debates,
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 2: you know, we did a lot. And not just debates,
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 2: but forums and you meet. And I thought he's a nice,
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 2: you know, I'd see him. We'd chat backstage or whatever.
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 2: And I thought, you know, he's kind of nothing. He's
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 2: a bureaucrat type person. Nice guy, perfectly nice. Smiley's a nice,
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 2: amiable guy. And I just thought he's like an amiable non-entity.
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: But the more you learn about this, it's like really bad.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 2: because it's a classic thing with these career politicians. Obviously,
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 2: all that mattered was I don't want to look bad.
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 2: We've got all these kids. They're in these camps. The
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: media has access to them. It's really making me look bad.
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 2: Get these kids out. It's just shocking.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: It's shocking.
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: That's so evil. Yeah, it is. And it's also really racist.
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 2: All of them were Latino kids.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because if you think about it, if that was
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 1: all kids from Norway, little young boys and girls from Norway,
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 1: do you think they would treat them the same way?
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 2: So Pomona, where this camp was, there were three in California,
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 2: Long Beach, San Diego, and Pomona. So the caseworker who
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 2: did the whistle, she said, there's a notorious child sex
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 2: trafficking street area near there. She said, before this, most
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 2: of the girls were African American black girls. After the camp,
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 2: suddenly it was all Latina girls. Like, it was just
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: so obvious that that was what was happening. Child sex trafficking.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 1: Well, if there's child sex traffickers and there's such an
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 1: obvious vulnerability, like, Hundreds of thousands of unaccompanied kids making
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: it across the border. Of course, they're going to sneak in.
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 1: The whole thing was insane.
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 2: Can I just add one other thing?
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 2: The boy, I mean, they took away their, they had
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: these papers that they would send them off with. And
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 2: it had a line that's information on it, which included
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: a hotline that they set up. If the kids felt
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 2: they were in danger. It took on a trafficking hotline.
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 2: There were 65,000 unanswered calls to the hotline. It was
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 2: just a bullshit-like thing that didn't work. And again, the
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 2: people who pointed that out were fired.
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: It's really bad. It's like, to me.
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 1: The people that pointed it out were fired.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 2: It's just... This is, to me... I've been in and
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 2: around politics, media, government, one way or another for a
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 2: long time. I've never seen anything like this.
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 1: And he's like, it doesn't even seem like it could
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 1: be real.
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 2: That's what I thought.
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 1: The numbers are so crazy. It seems like some sort
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 1: of a conspiracy theory that's easily disproven.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Well, in the first reporting of it was the
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 2: New York times, 2023.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 1: Holy shit.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: And, and, and it, but everything that's coming out is
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: it's worse even than that.
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 1: What do you think was going on with the whole
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 1: open border thing?
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 2: I think that they, I think they believed that any
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 2: kind of restriction on immigration was racist. And therefore, it
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 2: was part of the ideology around that. That we can't put,
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 2: people are coming and they're fleeing bad conditions and you
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 2: can't stop them because it's racist to put restrictions on immigration.
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 2: I think that's what it was mainly.
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, so that is a great way to justify flying
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 1: people into swing states and then trying to turn them
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 1: into citizens, which is what they were actively talking about doing.
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 1: Pelosi talked about that. Schumer talked about that. They talk
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 1: about getting these people citizenship, which means those people can vote.
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 1: There's also moving them into these swing states. And if
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 1: you move them into the swing states, the census doesn't
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 1: count whether or not you're a citizen. The census counts
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 1: whether or not you're a human being. And so it
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 1: changes the number of congressional seats that are available. So
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 1: there's that. And then there's also putting these people on
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 1: free health care and giving them money and setting them up.
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 1: And then if you can get those people to vote eventually,
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 1: you've got a built in voter and you could change.
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 2: So I never, I don't know about that.
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 1: Whatever million people got in over the last four years,
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 1: they're not going to vote for Trump. If you make
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 1: those people vote, if you let those people vote, how
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 1: many of those people are going to vote for the
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 1: Republicans that wanted to get rid of them with ICE?
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 1: And how many of them are going to vote for
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 1: the Democrats that wanted to fund them and help them
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 1: get across the border? It's pretty simple. Even if you
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 1: don't get all of them, you're going to get most
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: of them.
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 2: Do you think that? I mean, I hear that often.
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 1: This is what Elon thinks.
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 2: It seems to me that's so dark and cynical.
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 1: Well, if they wanted to do to the whole country
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 1: what they've done to California and have complete and total
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 1: control with one party. Well, they've already done it in
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 1: a state. Why not just implement it through the entire country?
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 1: In California, you can't show ID to vote.
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 2: It's illegal.
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. Why would you do that? Why would you
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 1: do that? There's only one reason. You want to cheat.
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 2: It's the only reason. And we've got voter ID on
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 2: the ballot in November in California.
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 1: Which is crazy that you have to ask for that.
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And the attorney general of California. I don't know
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 2: if you've been following, he's doing the Paramount lawsuit. He's
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 2: like a total political hack. All he ever does. Like
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 2: we've got out of control crime and all this shit.
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 2: All he does. And the same with, by the way, Becerra,
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 2: he's my opponent. He was attorney general of California.
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 1: Appointed.
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 2: He didn't get elected. All he talks about in terms
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 2: of his record, and he was attorney during the time
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 2: when crime exploded, is how many times he sued Trump.
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 2: But this guy, Bonter, now, there was this ballot initiative.
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 2: There is a ballot initiative on November for voter ID.
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: He just changed the description. Did you see this? No.
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 2: So it had a kind of accurate description of what
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 2: it was. you know, this measure, you know, on the ballot,
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 2: the voter information, this measure will require people to show ID, blah, blah, blah.
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 2: And that was approved by the whole system. And just
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 2: in time before they start printing them, he, because it's
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 2: the attorney general who decides, changed it to say, like,
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 2: the most negative possible thing. This, I mean, I haven't
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 2: got the exact words, you can find it, but it
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 2: was like, this measure prohibits voting unless you have and
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 2: it goes on to make it sound really good it's
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 2: like it's so cynical this is just what they do.
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah well they weren't trying to get people to look
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 1: at it in terms of look at it through their
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 1: ideological lens rather than through a practical lens but it's
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 1: also like it's so crazy that you have to have
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 1: id for almost everything.
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 2: Else crazy and they say Oh, it's so discriminatory. Like,
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 2: what are you talking? That's racist. Yeah.
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 1: What about driving a car? You have to have a
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 1: license to drive a car. What about, you know.
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 2: Check into a hotel. I mean, every night I'm at
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 2: a different Hampton Inn. That's where we stay. ID.
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You have to show ID to buy booze. It's
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 1: like IDs everywhere. It's normal. It's like we need to
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 1: know that you're real.
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 2: It's a very. When you watch them defend themselves. their
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 2: opposition to it. It really, I mean, I'm generally not,
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 2: you know, I really do try and see the best,
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 2: you know, that's just their ideology, whatever, then it's not
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 2: really cynical. But when you see the way they wriggle
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 2: and squirm over voter ID, it's like, what other explanation
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 2: is there? Exactly. It really, it's such a ridiculous thing
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 2: to be opposed to.
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 1: It's pretty clear. It's pretty clear that there's an advantage.
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 1: And the advantage is definitely on the side of the Democrats,
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 1: the voter ID advantage. It's just crazy. It's just we
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 1: have lost our fucking collective minds. And, you know, it
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 1: doesn't help when, you know, this administration is in this
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 1: war with Iran that makes no fucking sense whatsoever. And
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh. So you look at that, like it
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 1: just builds up the other side's argument.
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what they say.
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 1: You have to vote them out.
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 2: No matter what. It's a perfect example. Massive thing in
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 2: California for everyone is just gas prices. Highest in the
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 2: country by far. Higher than Hawaii in the middle of
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 2: the Pacific Ocean, even though we have abundant oil reserves
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 2: in California. It's like so insane. They're literally shipping in.
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 2: They're shutting down California oil production, shipping it in from
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 2: halfway around the world. Like 80% now shipped from Iraq
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 2: and the Amazon rainforests. Like Gavin goes to the Amazon
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 2: rainforest to the climate conference to lecture everyone about climate
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 2: because of his climate policies. Oil drilling in the Amazon
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 2: is now being increased to provide California's oil. Anyway, it's
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 2: so crazy that they do all these things like right now. And,
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 2: you know, and it's all as a direct result of
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 2: what they've done. Right. And the gas prices are so
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 2: high and it's regular working people who are screwed like
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 2: people to drive their cars and trucks every day. It's
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 2: not the climate warriors, you know, and their laptops in
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 2: Marin County. Do you know what I mean? Anyway, the
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 2: war is now their go-to response. So you make a
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 2: point about gas prices. Oh, it's Trump's war. And of course,
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 2: it's true that the war has increased gas prices everywhere,
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 2: but it's still $ 2 higher in California than anywhere else.
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 2: But it lets them off the hook.
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 1: Well, it's just indicative of the same problem that you're
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 1: going to have whenever a single party is running a
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 1: state for that long unchecked. Just like you were talking
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 1: about Hungary. It's just like it could be anywhere. You
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 1: could fill in the blank anywhere in the world. Exactly.
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 1: You get power and you get complete control and then
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 1: you can just tax the fuck out of people and
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 1: then you keep increasing government, which they keep doing. It's
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 1: pretty wild.
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 3: Would changing this law make it cheaper, or would that
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 3: be even harder to do?
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 1: California gas because it uses a unique, strictly regulated, clean-burning
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 1: boutique blend mandated by the California Air Resources Board to
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 1: reduce smog and greenhouse gas emissions. Specialized fuel must be
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 1: refined locally on an energy island because no pipelines connect
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 1: the state to outside fuel networks. It's just more of
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 1: the same.
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 2: It's not just that. So this is important. So see
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 2: that California Air Resources Board, CARB, That's the main agency
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 2: that's driving the cost of everything high when it comes
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 2: to energy, gas and electric. And actually, now your earlier question,
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 2: what can you do? There's basically four reasons that gas
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 2: prices are the highest in the country. One is the
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 2: gas tax, which is the highest in the country. That
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 2: I can't do anything about as governor. That's the legislature.
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 2: They just increased it. So you've got all these Democrats
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 2: running around saying, affordability, we have to do something about
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 2: The affordability crisis. They just increased the gas tax in California.
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 2: So just, it's so ridiculous. But that's the first thing
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 2: I can't do anything about directly. All the other things
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 2: you can. It's partly that. It's the regulations on the refinery.
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 2: But it's also these hidden taxes. Like you've got the
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 2: low carbon fuels. They all sound good. The low carbon
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 2: fuel standard. Cap and invest. They call it the cap
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 2: and invest program. That's funding high speed rail. These are
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 2: basically taxes. on gas that the energy industry is paying.
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 2: Then you've got the fact that we're importing all this
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 2: oil rather than producing it. So instead of producing it
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 2: in California in the cleanest regulated standards anywhere in the world, right?
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 2: Which is what we have because we've got all these
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 2: regulations and sending it in a nice pipeline just a
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 2: hundred or so miles from near Bakersfield, Kern County to
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 2: the refineries in Long Beach and Torrance We are, what
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 2: I said earlier, shipping in, because like that said, there's
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 2: no pipeline from outside California, bringing on tankers from the
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 2: number one in the Middle East is Iraq.
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 1: Burning immense amounts of fuel all along the way.
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, because they run on bunker fuel, which is the
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 2: most dirty form of oil. So they are, I'm not,
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 2: this is an accurate statement. They are increasing carbon emissions
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 2: in the name of climate to make it look as
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 2: if their climate war is, Fighting fossil fuels.
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 1: It's just fucking crazy.
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's the ideology. It's not even, it's so funny.
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 2: I used to sort of talk about their climate policy.
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 2: It's not even the climate policies. It's climate posturing. It's
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 2: like they want to look as if they're doing something.
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a part of the ideology, like you said.
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 1: It's a part of the doctrine, the religious doctrine that
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 1: is the left. You have to say that climate change
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 1: is real. Science is science. You have to say a
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 1: bunch of things. Love is love. You have to say
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 1: a bunch of things.
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 2: In this house, it's the thing. I always say that's
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 2: literally virtue signaling.
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 1: It's not just virtue signaling. It's kind of religious doctrine.
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 2: It's ideology signaling.
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 1: It's not such a catchy phrase, but that's what it is.
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 1: And it's kind of religious. Mark Andreessen's talked about this.
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like a cult. If you don't follow it,
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 1: you are excommunicated.
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 2: I did a conference the other day in Sacramento where
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 2: I went up. And there's something about it. It was
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 2: The smugness was so, I normally try and be reasonable
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 2: and just, you know, make my arguments. There was something
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 2: about this. It was a kind of climate thing. Things
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 2: I agree with. It was green energy. I'm all for that.
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 1: Whatever. Great.
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 2: Let's have innovation. I'm not against any of that. I
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 2: am against the windmills. The insane.
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, they're insane.
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 2: Windmills.
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 1: Totally inefficient.
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 1: And then they have to go into landfills. And they
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 1: only last a certain amount of years. Then you have
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 1: to take them down and then bury them in the
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 1: earth where they never degrade.
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 2: And they catch fire.
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 1: They kill birds.
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 2: They fuck up whales. Have you heard the latest, though?
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 2: This is actually one of my bits to go back
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 2: to the thing because it's so crazy. The new plan
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 2: for windmills is offshore windmills in California in two parts.
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 2: Morrow Bay off the Central Coast, Humboldt up in the north.
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 2: including having them far out because the wind is more,
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 2: but except also the ocean is deep there. So they're
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 2: going to have floating windmills. Have you heard this one?
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 4: No.
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 2: Floating. And these windmills are, they're big. They're like a
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 2: thousand feet. That's the height of the Eiffel Tower, pretty much. Floating.
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 2: And one of the proposals is like 10,000. So 10,000 Eiffelmills.
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 2: Towers floating off the... It's insane. Trump's just stopped it.
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 2: And now they're suing to reopen it. By the way,
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 2: when we have in California today existing natural gas-fired power stations,
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 2: which could provide more than all our electricity needs today.
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 2: More than all. It's like something like 300 gigawatt hours
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 2: a year. We only use about 270, something like that.
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 2: But they're running these natural gas power stations at like
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 2: 20% of their capacity to use as backup for the
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 2: windmills and for the solar farms. If you ran them
• 2:38:14
  Speaker 2: at full capacity, what we've already got, you don't have
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 2: to build anything. You could more than meet all our needs.
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 2: But no, that's too sensible. So we have the floating windmills.
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 2: And of course, we have the highest electric bills in
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 2: the country, apart from Hawaii. Double the national average. And
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 2: the reason I got cross at this conference was that
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 2: they were going, you want to reduce the renewable goals
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 2: or something. No, I just want common sense. I'm all
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 2: for it. If it makes sense, if you can make
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 2: it pay, great. But the people who you're hurting... with
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 2: all of this is regular working people not kind of
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 2: elite people at a conference in Sacramento just working class
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 2: people who are just being crushed and I see it
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 2: every day and the struggle you know literally they the
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 2: number one thing people say to me it's really striking
• 2:39:03
  Speaker 2: when in all these you know I've really met a
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 2: lot of people as I said hundreds of events thousands
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 2: and thousands of people they say it's not like oh
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 2: good luck it's like you have to win There's like
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 2: this intensity. It's really interesting.
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 1: Well, because they know it's slipping away. They don't want
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 1: to move.
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 2: And they're so, it's hard.
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 1: It's gotten significantly worse over the last 10 years and
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 1: they don't want to move.
• 2:39:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's so difficult. And the fucking story, but
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 2: people just, oh, and it's not even, it's so casual
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 2: and cruel the way it's like, yeah, for our ideology,
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 2: we'll jack up your electric bills and your gas prices
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 2: and you just have to suck it up because... We
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 2: want to make ourselves feel like we're leading on climate.
• 2:39:48
  Speaker 2: That's the other thing. They were yelling at me from
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 2: this conference. And I said, you tell me what is
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 2: the impact of any of this on climate change? I said,
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 2: I'll give you everything you're saying about climate change, okay?
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 2: I agree. Climate change, we've got to fight climate change.
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 2: What is this doing to fight climate change? What is
• 2:40:12
  Speaker 2: the impact on global temperatures of any of this? And like, nothing.
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 2: Because the answer is zero. It has zero impact on
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 2: global temperatures, which is the only thing that matters. And
• 2:40:25
  Speaker 2: then someone shouts out, this is where they always go, oh,
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 2: we're leading. We have to have a leadership role. We're leading.
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 2:40:33
  Speaker 2: Who's following?
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 1: No one.
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 2: Because it's crazy. It's hurting people. All these countries are
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 2: backing off it.
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 1: That's the one thing that China has an advantage in,
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 1: is that their government and their business work like that.
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 1: And the business works for the government and the government
• 2:40:49
  Speaker 1: controls the businesses. It's not a good thing. But the
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 1: one advantage that they have in there, they don't do
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 1: anything stupid that's going to lose money for virtue signaling.
• 2:40:57
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 2:40:57
  Speaker 1: They open coal fire plants like crazy.
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Which are, you know, part of the energy that's
• 2:41:04
  Speaker 2: going into making the solar panels that are shipped across
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 2: the ocean to make these people feel good.
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 1: It's true. It is true. It's wild.
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just wild. I can't believe it.
• 2:41:16
  Speaker 1: It's wild, but I mean, this is the problem with
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 1: a government handling something versus the private sector. If the
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 1: private sector handled it, it would have to be profitable.
• 2:41:23
  Speaker 1: It would have to make sense.
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 2: And they keep saying solar's really cheap. You know, I said, great,
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 2: so why do we have the highest electric bills in
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 2: the country apart from Hawaii if it's all so great? Again,
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 2: I'm not against it. If you want to have a
• 2:41:35
  Speaker 2: solar panel and a battery, that's great. I'm not against
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 2: any of this, but don't force it in a way
• 2:41:41
  Speaker 2: That just raises the cost for regular working people.
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 1: Well, California just loves to regulate. They love it. It's
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 1: part of the big government.
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 2: Have you seen just– The tires? The tires. Yes. Oh,
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 2: you've seen it.
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw it. I was going to bring that up. Yeah.
• 2:41:58
  Speaker 1: So what is the– The tires. Let's pull it up, Jamie.
• 2:42:02
  Speaker 1: The new California regulations on tires, restricting the kind of
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 1: tires you can buy.
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 2: It's just they keep coming.
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 1: They can't help themselves. They need to justify all these jobs.
• 2:42:13
  Speaker 1: There's so much government.
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 2: But I just want to give you, this is a
• 2:42:16
  Speaker 2: good example, which is all of these things.
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 1: California regulators approved new rules limiting what replacement tires you
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 1: can buy for your car. So what is the rationale
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 1: behind this? Approved new rules that will restrict which tires
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 1: you can buy when it's time to replace them. Unanimous vote.
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 1: California Energy Commission voted to adopt new rules that will
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 1: phase out the sale of replacement tires that don't meet
• 2:42:38
  Speaker 1: certain energy efficiency standards. Ultimately about protecting consumers, I see
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 1: this as a sheltering the public from higher costs in
• 2:42:47
  Speaker 1: the long term.
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 2: Long run.
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 1: Long run, excuse me. Tire manufacturers and the commission staff
• 2:42:51
  Speaker 1: are at odds over whether this will add to the
• 2:42:53
  Speaker 1: cost of living in the state. It will. Both sides
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 1: acknowledge this will no longer allow the sale of significant
• 2:42:59
  Speaker 1: portion of the tires currently sold in California. By the way,
• 2:43:03
  Speaker 1: that's 70%. So the center of this is a tire's
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 1: rolling resistance or how much energy a tire uses as
• 2:43:11
  Speaker 1: it rolls down the road. Lower resistance means a vehicle
• 2:43:14
  Speaker 1: uses less gas or electricity. New cars come with energy-efficient tires,
• 2:43:18
  Speaker 1: but consumers typically replace those with higher rolling resistance tires.
• 2:43:22
  Speaker 1: I wonder if that has anything to do with performance cars.
• 2:43:28
  Speaker 1: You know, I would imagine rolling resistance. So rolling resistance,
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 1: what would that mean? Does that mean friction?
• 2:43:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, basically friction.
• 2:43:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, so friction is traction. So you want more traction.
• 2:43:40
  Speaker 1: So you're basically making people buy performance tires?
• 2:43:43
  Speaker 2: No, the other way around.
• 2:43:44
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the other way around.
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 1: So traction is less resistance. It's more resistance. Maximum resistance
• 2:43:51
  Speaker 1: is traction. But they will allow the sale of tires
• 2:43:55
  Speaker 1: with a maximum rolling resistance of 9.1 newtons per kiloton.
• 2:44:01
  Speaker 1: It lowers it to 7.2 starting in 2033. So, yeah,
• 2:44:06
  Speaker 1: it's making it less traction. That's what it's saying, right?
• 2:44:12
  Speaker 1: Rolling resistance. I'm not sure what it says.
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 2: What they want is these.
• 2:44:16
  Speaker 1: Energy efficient. Ensure replacement of tires sold in California are.
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 1: at least as energy efficient on average as the tires
• 2:44:23
  Speaker 1: that come with the truck. So my perception is that
• 2:44:27
  Speaker 1: a tire with more traction would be more efficient.
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 2: No, for driving, yeah, but not for climate.
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but when you go into the store to buy them,
• 2:44:36
  Speaker 3: most people are going to buy the cheapest thing available.
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 1: They're not going to ask, like, what's going to save
• 2:44:39
  Speaker 1: me money over 10 years. The cheapest thing available would
• 2:44:41
  Speaker 1: have less traction, correct?
• 2:44:42
  Speaker 3: It'd just be the cheapest thing available.
• 2:44:43
  Speaker 1: Right. The thing about the cars, like performance tires, they
• 2:44:48
  Speaker 1: don't last as long. Because there's a softer rubber. And
• 2:44:51
  Speaker 1: the softer rubber grips better. And so, like, if you buy, like.
• 2:44:54
  Speaker 2: But that's what they want to get rid of.
• 2:44:56
  Speaker 1: That's what they want to get rid of. But those
• 2:44:58
  Speaker 1: are the ones that have more traction. That's what I'm
• 2:45:00
  Speaker 1: confused about. That would seem to be more energy efficient
• 2:45:03
  Speaker 1: in terms of the use of the car.
• 2:45:06
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what they're arguing it's for. But they are...
• 2:45:10
  Speaker 2: You're going to end up with these little tires that don't...
• 2:45:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, all the people that want to go off-road
• 2:45:14
  Speaker 2: or whatever, that's what you can't do.
• 2:45:16
  Speaker 1: You can't buy off-road tires anymore? 70% of the.
• 2:45:20
  Speaker 2: Of the tires are going to be banned that are
• 2:45:22
  Speaker 2: currently sold. 70%. That was one of the reporters at KCRA,
• 2:45:27
  Speaker 2: Ashley Zavala. She's really, on all these stories, very aggressive.
• 2:45:31
  Speaker 2: She's really exposing a lot of this nonsense. And that was,
• 2:45:34
  Speaker 2: I think, her number, 70%. Wouldn't they just make.
• 2:45:37
  Speaker 3: New off-road tires then?
• 2:45:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they wouldn't be as good. Yeah. How often
• 2:45:42
  Speaker 1: are you driving off-road in LA? Well, I'm not, but
• 2:45:45
  Speaker 1: some people are. There's a bunch of people who love
• 2:45:47
  Speaker 1: driving off-road.
• 2:45:48
  Speaker 2: And they love having vehicles.
• 2:45:50
  Speaker 1: Why are we doing this when we have the state
• 2:45:52
  Speaker 1: is over.
• 2:45:53
  Speaker 2: You've got homeless everywhere, the highest taxes in the country.
• 2:45:58
  Speaker 2: Businesses are leaving every single day. It's a real economic emergency.
• 2:46:02
  Speaker 2: We have the highest unemployment rate in the country. We
• 2:46:05
  Speaker 2: have the highest poverty rate in the country, the highest
• 2:46:07
  Speaker 2: cost of living. And this is what the government's focused on.
• 2:46:10
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 2:46:11
  Speaker 2: We've got to wake up, right? This is insane that
• 2:46:14
  Speaker 2: they're focused on this. They're churning out absolute nonsense. The regulations,
• 2:46:20
  Speaker 2: the bureaucracy, this is totally unaccountable. This is some bureaucrat
• 2:46:25
  Speaker 2: that's discovered a rule. Nancy Skinner, who used to represent Berkeley,
• 2:46:31
  Speaker 2: found this thing in some obscure place that no one
• 2:46:35
  Speaker 2: had noticed for 20 years. Suddenly, this bureaucratic agency decides
• 2:46:40
  Speaker 2: to bring in this rule. No input from the voters.
• 2:46:44
  Speaker 1: But here's my question. What is this impact going to
• 2:46:47
  Speaker 1: have on the car market? If you sell a car
• 2:46:54
  Speaker 1: that has a particular type of performance tire that no
• 2:46:56
  Speaker 1: longer fits.
• 2:46:57
  Speaker 2: This- I don't know.
• 2:46:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know what- Could we ask perplexity, is this
• 2:47:02
  Speaker 1: referring to tires with more traction or less traction?
• 2:47:05
  Speaker 3: Energy.california.gov's second sentence says, unfortunately, replacement tires are often less efficient.
• 2:47:11
  Speaker 3: That's why your mileage drops the first time you replace
• 2:47:14
  Speaker 3: your tires and the efficiency gap between new car new
• 2:47:17
  Speaker 3: car tires and replacement tires means california drivers are paying
• 2:47:20
  Speaker 3: nearly a billion dollars in additional fuel costs which is.
• 2:47:24
  Speaker 1: So are these inefficient tires less expensive is that what
• 2:47:27
  Speaker 1: it is yeah i think it makes sense right so
• 2:47:30
  Speaker 1: the more expensive tires are more efficient which means they
• 2:47:33
  Speaker 1: would have better traction is that what it is uh
• 2:47:37
  Speaker 1: That makes sense, right? Because if the tire has less traction,
• 2:47:41
  Speaker 1: that means it slips more. If it slips more, it's
• 2:47:43
  Speaker 1: not as efficient. You wouldn't get as good a gas mileage.
• 2:47:47
  Speaker 2: But they're doing this for climate. That's what they're saying.
• 2:47:51
  Speaker 2: We need to lower emissions. That's what it's all about
• 2:47:54
  Speaker 2: because of the use of the gas.
• 2:47:56
  Speaker 1: The 70% thing is crazy. Let's say if you buy
• 2:48:00
  Speaker 1: a Chevy truck that's an off-road truck. Those are not
• 2:48:04
  Speaker 1: efficient tires. So what are you going to be able
• 2:48:06
  Speaker 1: to get for them now? I don't know.
• 2:48:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just come out. So everyone's looking into this.
• 2:48:13
  Speaker 1: And there's no recourse?
• 2:48:15
  Speaker 2: Well, there will be when I'm there because I'm going
• 2:48:17
  Speaker 2: to get rid of these people because this is going
• 2:48:19
  Speaker 2: back to the question earlier.
• 2:48:21
  Speaker 1: Okay. Benefits of the proposed regulation. Consumer savings. Proposed regulation
• 2:48:25
  Speaker 1: would save nearly $ 1 billion per year in gasoline and
• 2:48:28
  Speaker 1: electricity costs.
• 2:48:30
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:48:31
  Speaker 1: Air quality. By reducing fuel consumed, the proposed regulation would
• 2:48:34
  Speaker 1: reduce CO2 emissions by 2.0 million metric tons per year,
• 2:48:39
  Speaker 1: which is the equivalent of taking 400,000 gasoline cars off
• 2:48:43
  Speaker 1: California roads. It would also reduce other criteria air pollutants
• 2:48:46
  Speaker 1: such as nitric oxide and particulate matter. Reduced energy demand.
• 2:48:52
  Speaker 1: The proposed regulation would reduce California demand for gasoline by
• 2:48:57
  Speaker 1: 141 million gallons. Also reduce demand for electricity by 0.9
• 2:49:01
  Speaker 1: terawatts per hour each year. Okay, the following tires are
• 2:49:09
  Speaker 1: excluded from the proposed regulation minimum performance standards. competition tires
• 2:49:14
  Speaker 1: used for motorsports, winter-type snow tires, all-season winter performance tires,
• 2:49:19
  Speaker 1: used and retreaded tires, deep tread tires, tires designed for
• 2:49:24
  Speaker 1: ATVs or other off-road vehicles, large off-road tires for use
• 2:49:29
  Speaker 1: up to 99 miles an hour, motorcycle tires, temporary spare tires,
• 2:49:34
  Speaker 1: small tires with 13-inch nominal rim diameter, proposed limited production tires,
• 2:49:40
  Speaker 1: tires sold for use on an emergency vehicle, high load
• 2:49:43
  Speaker 1: index tires, tires not capable of sustaining speeds over 50
• 2:49:48
  Speaker 1: miles per hour, and space saver tires. So it seems
• 2:49:51
  Speaker 1: like there's a lot of caveats. But look at that,
• 2:49:57
  Speaker 1: like that list again.
• 2:49:58
  Speaker 2: Nobody believes that this is about saving money.
• 2:50:01
  Speaker 1: No, it seems like they're just wanting- This is entirely.
• 2:50:04
  Speaker 2: Their ideology for climate. This is some bullshit calculation.
• 2:50:08
  Speaker 1: Is there a world where that makes sense, though, where
• 2:50:10
  Speaker 1: they're right and it will reduce all that gasoline and
• 2:50:13
  Speaker 1: it actually will be better for everybody? And you'll force
• 2:50:17
  Speaker 1: people to make better tires? And, you know, they're just,
• 2:50:20
  Speaker 1: they're churning out low-quality tires and this could be mitigated
• 2:50:26
  Speaker 1: a long time ago? Well, I don't know.
• 2:50:29
  Speaker 2: I think that the reaction to it is exactly the opposite,
• 2:50:32
  Speaker 2: which is here they come again.
• 2:50:33
  Speaker 1: Here they come again is real.
• 2:50:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean... As I said, it's just been announced,
• 2:50:38
  Speaker 2: so we've got to dig into it. But, I mean,
• 2:50:40
  Speaker 2: it's just, to me, such a kind of crazy example
• 2:50:43
  Speaker 2: of them endlessly micromanaging everything.
• 2:50:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the market should decide.
• 2:50:48
  Speaker 2: We've got these big, big problems.
• 2:50:50
  Speaker 1: California's new tire rule could wipe out 70% of what's
• 2:50:53
  Speaker 1: on the shelf, and Sacramento sat on the law for
• 2:50:56
  Speaker 1: 23 years.
• 2:50:56
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 2:51:03
  Speaker 1: So Sacramento didn't invent a new law on Monday. It
• 2:51:05
  Speaker 1: finally read one. It wrote in 2003.
• 2:51:07
  Speaker 2: Okay. I mean, it's just infuriating.
• 2:51:12
  Speaker 1: They love to tell you what to do. That's part
• 2:51:14
  Speaker 1: of what California is.
• 2:51:16
  Speaker 2: So we did a thing last year. Remember, this is
• 2:51:23
  Speaker 2: the point about there's no checks. No one's stopping anything.
• 2:51:26
  Speaker 2: In the last legislative session last year, not even the
• 2:51:29
  Speaker 2: whole year, just a few months, They passed 1,118 bills.
• 2:51:35
  Speaker 2: We counted them. We printed them out. It was double
• 2:51:39
  Speaker 2: my height. Obviously, no one can read them, knew some signs,
• 2:51:43
  Speaker 2: most of them, like the vast majority. He hasn't read them.
• 2:51:47
  Speaker 2: It has stuff like this in it. And no one's
• 2:51:51
  Speaker 2: paying attention. And the corrupt system, the interest groups that
• 2:51:57
  Speaker 2: want what they want from the system, they get these
• 2:52:00
  Speaker 2: bills written. And then they get passed. And then here
• 2:52:03
  Speaker 2: you are 23 years later, something that's in some obscure law.
• 2:52:07
  Speaker 2: That's how it all works. And the answer to the question,
• 2:52:12
  Speaker 2: like what could you do about it, is basically captured
• 2:52:15
  Speaker 2: in these two things. Like number one, all these agencies
• 2:52:18
  Speaker 2: that are pushing out these rules, it's the executive branch.
• 2:52:22
  Speaker 2: So as the governor, you control the executive branch. You
• 2:52:25
  Speaker 2: can fire the people on these boards and you can
• 2:52:28
  Speaker 2: replace them with people with some common sense. And you
• 2:52:31
  Speaker 2: can actually merge them. You can reorganize them. You could
• 2:52:34
  Speaker 2: cut them back. There's a whole bunch of things you
• 2:52:36
  Speaker 2: could do on the bureaucracy because so much of this
• 2:52:39
  Speaker 2: is coming out of the bureaucracy. Secondly, you can veto
• 2:52:43
  Speaker 2: the legislation. And the point is always made, if they
• 2:52:45
  Speaker 2: have a two-thirds majority, they can overturn a veto. That's correct.
• 2:52:50
  Speaker 2: But the last time they overturned a veto from the
• 2:52:52
  Speaker 2: governor was 1979. So they don't like doing it because
• 2:52:57
  Speaker 2: suddenly they have to justify all this shit. that goes
• 2:53:00
  Speaker 2: through without any scrutiny. If you veto it, if they
• 2:53:05
  Speaker 2: want to overturn it, suddenly they have to make the argument.
• 2:53:08
  Speaker 2: And so much of what you get in California just
• 2:53:11
  Speaker 2: goes through without anyone noticing. That's the real corruption in
• 2:53:15
  Speaker 2: the system. And so the other thing I'd say is
• 2:53:19
  Speaker 2: that you also write the budget. The governor writes the
• 2:53:24
  Speaker 2: budget and sends it to the legislature. And then you
• 2:53:27
  Speaker 2: have to negotiate. But again, you know, if you take
• 2:53:30
  Speaker 2: out all this waste and, you know, we just announced
• 2:53:33
  Speaker 2: last week Operation Zero Waste. Cancel funding for high-speed rail.
• 2:53:39
  Speaker 2: Cancel free health care for illegal immigrants. All these things
• 2:53:42
  Speaker 2: that we said we'd do.
• 2:53:42
  Speaker 1: How much has been spent on that high-speed rail?
• 2:53:45
  Speaker 2: So far, total $ 15 billion.
• 2:53:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a bargain. They've gotten a lot done though, right?
• 2:53:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, so that was, so it was 2008. It was
• 2:53:57
  Speaker 2: supposed to be 30 billion, the total budget. And it's
• 2:54:00
  Speaker 2: supposed to be open in 2020. And it was two
• 2:54:02
  Speaker 2: and a half hours from San Francisco to L.A. So
• 2:54:06
  Speaker 2: the latest is it's going to be open maybe if
• 2:54:09
  Speaker 2: you're lucky by the end of 2030s. It's going to
• 2:54:13
  Speaker 2: be the new budget from 30 billion is now 230 billion.
• 2:54:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: The plan, as they laughably call it. is the first
• 2:54:24
  Speaker 2: bit is San Francisco to Merced at the top of
• 2:54:27
  Speaker 2: the Central Valley on the regular train line that's already there.
• 2:54:31
  Speaker 2: And then Merced to Bakersfield is the high-speed rail. And
• 2:54:35
  Speaker 2: then Bakersfield to L.A., a bus. Bus. Have you heard that?
• 2:54:42
  Speaker 1: That's real?
• 2:54:42
  Speaker 2: It's real. That drive from Bakersfield to LA, which I've
• 2:54:47
  Speaker 2: done a lot, it's through the great.
• 2:54:48
  Speaker 1: It's already congested as fuck. Right.
• 2:54:50
  Speaker 2: You can take, that can take two and a half hours. Yeah.
• 2:54:52
  Speaker 2: If you're unlucky. So this is what it's, and it's
• 2:54:57
  Speaker 2: so crazy.
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  Speaker 1: 230 billion for that?
• 2:54:59
  Speaker 2: 230 billion. And then Becerra, my opponent, he went to
• 2:55:03
  Speaker 2: Fresno the other week. He announced that he would finish
• 2:55:07
  Speaker 2: it on time and on budget. On time was six
• 2:55:13
  Speaker 2: years ago. On budget.
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  Speaker 1: It was $ 120 million ago.
• 2:55:19
  Speaker 2: The budget was $ 30 million. They've spent $ 15 million and
• 2:55:21
  Speaker 2: they've not laid any tracks at all. Gavin, it's classic Gavin.
• 2:55:26
  Speaker 2: It's almost my favorite. He did an event because obviously
• 2:55:29
  Speaker 2: he's running for president. This is embarrassing. He wants to
• 2:55:31
  Speaker 2: sort of shape the narrative. So he did this press
• 2:55:34
  Speaker 2: conference somewhere there with trains in the background to make
• 2:55:38
  Speaker 2: it look like this is a real thing. And they
• 2:55:42
  Speaker 2: haven't laid any track. And there's no plans to lay
• 2:55:44
  Speaker 2: any tracks. But he was standing by tracks to sort of,
• 2:55:47
  Speaker 2: I think, make people think there's tracks. But even he,
• 2:55:51
  Speaker 2: the phrase that he used was to announce that we
• 2:55:55
  Speaker 2: are now entering the track laying phase. That could be
• 2:56:00
  Speaker 2: another 10 years. It's so ridiculous.
• 2:56:04
  Speaker 1: And then you're going to have to get a bus.
• 2:56:05
  Speaker 2: And the bus, it's real. That is the plan. So
• 2:56:08
  Speaker 2: why is that?
• 2:56:09
  Speaker 1: Because the Just logistics? They can't get the train through
• 2:56:13
  Speaker 1: the mountains?
• 2:56:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:56:14
  Speaker 1: That's it?
• 2:56:15
  Speaker 2: So you have to have a bus.
• 2:56:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:56:17
  Speaker 2: I don't actually know what the long-term plan is. I
• 2:56:20
  Speaker 2: can't believe that's the whole idea. I think that's just
• 2:56:24
  Speaker 2: what's going to be available.
• 2:56:25
  Speaker 3: It says it's just like the most tunneling has to
• 2:56:27
  Speaker 3: happen on that part, so maybe they're just waiting.
• 2:56:29
  Speaker 2: I think it's a long time. It's not the eventual plan.
• 2:56:31
  Speaker 1: So they'll do some more tunnels?
• 2:56:33
  Speaker 3: It says it would require the most tunneling of the
• 2:56:35
  Speaker 3: mountain crossings with four separate tunnels totaling.
• 2:56:38
  Speaker 1: 28 miles in length. How much of the nature.
• 2:56:41
  Speaker 3: And they have to go across the San Andreas Fault,
• 2:56:42
  Speaker 3: which is the biggest problem.
• 2:56:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, even better.
• 2:56:44
  Speaker 1: They're going to cause an earthquake. How much of nature
• 2:56:47
  Speaker 1: is going to get destroyed in the production of that?
• 2:56:49
  Speaker 2: But who even wants this?
• 2:56:50
  Speaker 1: Tunneling through mountains.
• 2:56:52
  Speaker 2: The other thing is... I spoke to someone who works
• 2:56:55
  Speaker 2: with Elon, where you can check with Elon. So he
• 2:56:58
  Speaker 2: said that you could do the boring company, like you
• 2:57:00
  Speaker 2: could do a tunnel, the whole thing, for $ 5 billion. Now,
• 2:57:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true, but um it's this
• 2:57:06
  Speaker 2: is such a you know it's such a monument to
• 2:57:11
  Speaker 2: the whole thing right yeah take the money waste it
• 2:57:15
  Speaker 2: spend it on nothing endlessly delayed how.
• 2:57:18
  Speaker 1: Come gavin's not running again he can't he can't oh
• 2:57:22
  Speaker 1: he did yeah two times two terms.
• 2:57:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah it's so crazy and you've got this Pretend
• 2:57:30
  Speaker 2: this is what's really they're just a video that someone
• 2:57:32
  Speaker 2: found of him talking in 2015 when he was lieutenant
• 2:57:35
  Speaker 2: governor About what a joke the whole thing was. Yeah
• 2:57:37
  Speaker 2: aren't speaking very honestly about it. Yeah, and and it's
• 2:57:41
  Speaker 2: kind of funny and ridiculous Oh, look at that. He
• 2:57:44
  Speaker 2: says that then now he says but it's actually infuriating
• 2:57:47
  Speaker 2: because they're still taking the money to pay for it
• 2:57:50
  Speaker 2: They're still pretending and they're taking money out of it
• 2:57:54
  Speaker 2: the funding like I said comes from this thing called
• 2:57:58
  Speaker 2: cap and invest and which is the gas tax. It's
• 2:58:03
  Speaker 2: just insane.
• 2:58:04
  Speaker 1: Steve, I hope you win. We've got to wrap this
• 2:58:06
  Speaker 1: up and bring it home, but I hope you win.
• 2:58:08
  Speaker 1: It would be funny. It would be hilarious if you win.
• 2:58:11
  Speaker 2: Great. What job do you want, Joe?
• 2:58:12
  Speaker 1: I don't want a job.
• 2:58:13
  Speaker 2: We'll have you do something.
• 2:58:14
  Speaker 1: I don't even like going back to California.
• 2:58:16
  Speaker 2: Well, okay. The only reason I'm doing it is that
• 2:58:18
  Speaker 2: you've moved back.
• 2:58:19
  Speaker 1: I'm never going to move back.
• 2:58:22
  Speaker 2: I know. It's too good here.
• 2:58:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it here. I love it here.
• 2:58:25
  Speaker 2: I can see that.
• 2:58:26
  Speaker 1: I really hope you win.
• 2:58:27
  Speaker 2: Thank you, man.
• 2:58:28
  Speaker 1: I think you have a chance. I really do. I mean,
• 2:58:31
  Speaker 1: you make a lot of sense, and that's a lot
• 2:58:34
  Speaker 1: in this day and age. It's a lot. You're also
• 2:58:37
  Speaker 1: actually a good guy. Like, I know you. You're an
• 2:58:40
  Speaker 1: actual good guy. You're not like some weird lizard person.
• 2:58:43
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, there's some fake people. Yes,
• 2:58:46
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 2:58:46
  Speaker 2: I've met a lot in Sacramento.
• 2:58:48
  Speaker 1: You are who you are. You are really you. I
• 2:58:51
  Speaker 1: can attest to that. I know you. Like, I've known
• 2:58:53
  Speaker 1: you before you had any political aspirations. You're the exact
• 2:58:55
  Speaker 1: same person. There's a lot of these people that are
• 2:58:57
  Speaker 1: just skin suits. They're skin suits over lizards. There's lizards
• 2:59:01
  Speaker 1: in there. Whether metaphorically or physically, they're fucking lizard people.
• 2:59:06
  Speaker 1: And that's a real thing. So I hope you win.
• 2:59:10
  Speaker 2: You can come to my inauguration. I will.
• 2:59:12
  Speaker 1: Just that.
• 2:59:13
  Speaker 2: Commit to that.
• 2:59:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll come. If you win, I'll come.
• 2:59:15
  Speaker 2: All right. All right.
• 2:59:17
  Speaker 1: Bye, everybody. Bye.