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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 137 | Goodbyes, Hellos and a Lot of New Beginnings · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome in to dag Exam. It's free agency week.
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  Speaker 2: I'm kin Nannie Stevens, Brent Sexton, and John Oser are
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  Speaker 2: with me today. We're seeing a ton of movement already,
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  Speaker 2: maybe not the moves that we're used to seeing though
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  Speaker 2: here in Jacksonville. So let's start out with our big
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  Speaker 2: things today. Our first big thing is goodbye. So to
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  Speaker 2: make way for some of these open roster positions, the
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  Speaker 2: team released a lot of players last week.
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  Speaker 1: Some of them big names.
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  Speaker 2: We kind of maybe saw the writing on the wall
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  Speaker 2: with Christian Kirk or Evan Ingram, Brian but these are
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  Speaker 2: some names that we've known with this team, been very
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  Speaker 2: synonymous with this team for the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: And now the faces are gone.
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  Speaker 3: Well, free agency brings and free agency takes away, and
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  Speaker 3: they decided John that they could do more with the
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  Speaker 3: cap room the Christian Kirk and Evan Ingram afforded them.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you saw roughly twenty million dollars.
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  Speaker 3: Between those two, both of whom finished last season on
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  Speaker 3: need you reserve Kirk who's missed thirteen games in the
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  Speaker 3: last two years, and Ingram didn't have a very good
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  Speaker 3: season to boot.
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  Speaker 4: So when you looked at it.
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  Speaker 3: Coming in and sweeping things out anyway with the front
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  Speaker 3: office gave them the ability to do the same thing
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  Speaker 3: with some guys that we've come to know and appreciate.
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  Speaker 5: You Look, it was a sad week last week because
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  Speaker 5: I think everybody in here loves covering Christian Kirk and
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  Speaker 5: Evan Ingram and bear themselves to fans. But I think
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  Speaker 5: what Brian said in the middle there about the health
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  Speaker 5: of both players. At some point, when you reach your
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  Speaker 5: eighth or ninth year, percentages are you're not going to
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  Speaker 5: get long term healthier. And I think Kristian Kirk, especially
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  Speaker 5: not finishing the last two seasons and then with the
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  Speaker 5: high cap number, there's no doubt the Jaguars have been
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  Speaker 5: better and Trevor Uns has been better with him on
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  Speaker 5: the field. But when you're not in the field and
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  Speaker 5: new people are coming in, then business decisions have to
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  Speaker 5: get made, and you know, nim is taken out of
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  Speaker 5: it when the people coming in don't know you. So
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  Speaker 5: I think a lot of that played into it. You know,
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  Speaker 5: would I have made those two moves considering the age
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  Speaker 5: of the player and the health as.
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  Speaker 6: Much as I would have regretted it, I think you
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  Speaker 6: would have had.
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  Speaker 2: To tough one all around, for sure. Now we do
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  Speaker 2: want to say hello to our nine reported free agents
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  Speaker 2: that are gonna be coming.
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  Speaker 1: Things will get.
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  Speaker 2: Finalized later in the week, John, But a lot of
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  Speaker 2: movement yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: What was kind of a trend that you were seeing.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to talk a little bit more about this later,
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  Speaker 2: but what were they focusing on?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, when you've got nine guys, it's kind of hard
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  Speaker 5: to pick one trend in the NFL in so many
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  Speaker 5: different positions.
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  Speaker 6: But I think Brian, it was a functional day.
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  Speaker 5: Meaning when you're in baseball or football you I mean
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  Speaker 5: or basketball, say you can change your.
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  Speaker 6: Roster with one or two players.
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  Speaker 5: In the NFL, you've got twenty two guys and you've
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  Speaker 5: got fifty.
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  Speaker 6: Three you need.
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  Speaker 5: And when you're coming in and you're changing a regime,
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  Speaker 5: you can't change it just changing.
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  Speaker 6: Out one guy they brought in.
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  Speaker 5: I think they felt like they had to get lined
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  Speaker 5: up before the draft, meaning be able to have guys
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  Speaker 5: in the starting lineup. I think they felt like they
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  Speaker 5: needed guys who could start, who were functional. It wasn't
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  Speaker 5: a splash day, which thank goodness, because I've seen too
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  Speaker 5: many splash days around here where you look at the
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  Speaker 5: pool and it's empty.
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  Speaker 6: So I think it was a good day.
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  Speaker 5: I think it was a solid day, even if it
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  Speaker 5: wasn't a terribly exciting day.
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  Speaker 3: When you work with words, what do you always say,
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  Speaker 3: words are your work?
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  Speaker 4: Something like something like that. Functional was the first word.
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  Speaker 3: That popped into my mind yesterday as I looked at
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  Speaker 3: that list. You're able now to line up and the
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  Speaker 3: drivers clearly believe that they got better in the middle
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  Speaker 3: of the offensive line, which quite frankly just hasn't been
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  Speaker 3: very good. They haven't been able to convert on third
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  Speaker 3: and short in the last two years. I think you
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  Speaker 3: can look and say that they got better in the
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  Speaker 3: secondary right, maybe a little older, but the corner from
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  Speaker 3: Dallas and the safety from Houston are guys that you
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  Speaker 3: can line up with and play in this scheme that
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  Speaker 3: they all are bringing in here. They if they did
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  Speaker 3: nothing else, they brought their guys in here. And I
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  Speaker 3: thought that James Gladstone and Liam Cohen both talked about
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  Speaker 3: the kind of player that would make them better just
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  Speaker 3: walking through the door before they stepped on the field,
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  Speaker 3: the attitude they would bring into the building, the way
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  Speaker 3: they would go about their work, the way that they
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  Speaker 3: would compete. They wanted to bring culture builders in here.
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  Speaker 3: And you think of those guys as being the Christian
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  Speaker 3: Kirks and the Evan Ingrams and the big playmakers, but
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  Speaker 3: they're also the Hunter Longs, right, the reported tight end
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  Speaker 3: from Los Angeles, a guy that has connections to Gladstone
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  Speaker 3: or Hainsey, the Court or the center from Tampa, who
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  Speaker 3: has connections to Liam Cohen. Guys, they know, guys they
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  Speaker 3: can count on to help them with the scheme, to
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  Speaker 3: help them with the culture. So from that perspective, I
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  Speaker 3: would agree they got better yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: How these guys pan out of her time, John, I
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  Speaker 4: think that remains to be seen.
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  Speaker 5: Well, they better not have much time. And meaning this,
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  Speaker 5: you did sign older guys, I mean, or you acquired
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  Speaker 5: older guys and that's signed. Yet there's some ninth year guys,
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  Speaker 5: tenth thier guys in there, or maybe not tenth but
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  Speaker 5: a ninth year. So you're not thinking that this is
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  Speaker 5: a class that's going to be playing frontline football for
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  Speaker 5: you in twenty twenty seven, I think what year it is?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 6: But so these are If this isn't a.
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  Speaker 5: Transition class to a draft and developed team, then it's
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  Speaker 5: a bad class, but clearly that's what it is.
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  Speaker 3: We have twenty draft picks kai over the next two years,
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  Speaker 3: and with the trade of Christian Kirk, you have twenty
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  Speaker 3: one in the next two years. So if these guys
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  Speaker 3: are still core players, chances are you haven't drafted very
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  Speaker 3: well in the next two years. It's just very clear
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  Speaker 3: that what they wanted was to bring in guys to
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  Speaker 3: help them build the foundation of what they want going forward,
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  Speaker 3: and from that sense, it appears it was a really
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  Speaker 3: productive day.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely that leads.
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  Speaker 1: Us into our final big thing, which is Florida Ceiling.
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  Speaker 2: We talk a lot about star players coming in raising
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  Speaker 2: the ceiling. You know what their ceiling might be, but
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  Speaker 2: now we're talking about raising the floor.
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  Speaker 1: What's the minimum? What's expected out there? Brian?
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  Speaker 2: When we talk about new regimes coming in and kind
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  Speaker 2: of setting the standard, I feel like they're trying to
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  Speaker 2: get their guys in here and get that groundwork lead
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  Speaker 2: so everybody knows what to expect when they come in.
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  Speaker 3: Well, for those of us who were here in the building,
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  Speaker 3: it's hard not to get past the fact that there
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  Speaker 3: simply wasn't a winning culture in this building. When you
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  Speaker 3: walk through the locker room or out onto the practice field.
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  Speaker 3: Not the guys last year or the last two years
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  Speaker 3: weren't working hard, but you just didn't feel like there
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  Speaker 3: was a strong standard of excellence. So I think that's
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  Speaker 3: what they're really starting to build here is how they're
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  Speaker 3: going to compete each day, how they're going to work
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  Speaker 3: in the classrooms, how they're going to work on the
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  Speaker 3: practice field, how they're going to conduct themselves in everything
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  Speaker 3: from the meeting room to how they travel. That's what
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  Speaker 3: they really look at as what the baseline is, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: if you can't meet this standard, this is the way
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  Speaker 3: that we do things in a Liam Cohen, Tony Basselli,
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  Speaker 3: James Gladstone.
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  Speaker 4: Administration, yea where sometimes words are your work.
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  Speaker 5: I think the biggest thing, if you had to take
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  Speaker 5: anything away, I think Florida ceiling. I think they got
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  Speaker 5: more functional and capable in the secondary for a year
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  Speaker 5: or two.
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  Speaker 6: And I think they.
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  Speaker 5: Feel like they got more physical up front on the
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  Speaker 5: offensive line. If those two things are true, then I
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  Speaker 5: think you raised that floor. Look, everything in this franchise
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  Speaker 5: is about Trevor Lawrence. You got a fast receiver to
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  Speaker 5: help Trevor Lawrence, and you got guys to keep Trevor
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  Speaker 5: Lawrence from being pressured in the pocket, they hope and
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  Speaker 5: have a better running game around him. If Trevor improves,
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  Speaker 5: then this franchise is moving up. If he doesn't, then
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  Speaker 5: it's what it has been.
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  Speaker 3: You know, at one more point in Florida, ceiling is
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  Speaker 3: now all of a sudden, you have filled enough gaps
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  Speaker 3: with guys that you trust that you can go into
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  Speaker 3: Draft day and you can take the player that's rated
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  Speaker 3: highest on your board, whether that's an interior offensive lineman
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  Speaker 3: which is not a sexy pick obviously at number five,
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  Speaker 3: or whether you're looking for someone on the secondary. You
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  Speaker 3: have the ability now to do what you want on
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  Speaker 3: draft Day.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely setting ourselves up for April. Stay with us here.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to talk a little bit about the holes
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  Speaker 2: that Christian Kirk and Evan Ingram have left and who
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  Speaker 2: we think might replace them. Who welcome you back into
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  Speaker 2: jag zam an eventful week. Last week eventful as well
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  Speaker 2: as we talked a little bit about some of the
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  Speaker 2: outgoing names obviously synonymous with the team, Evan Ingram, Christian Kirk.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of us here in the building very fond
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  Speaker 2: of both of those guys. Also, Mitch Morse retiring from
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  Speaker 2: the NFL. So those are a couple key positions I
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  Speaker 2: was thinking about when it comes to mind, I understand
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  Speaker 2: the salary reasons why two of them were lego, but
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  Speaker 2: what kind of holes do they leave on this team?
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  Speaker 6: Right?
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  Speaker 2: So, when you look going forward, a lot of free
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  Speaker 2: agency signings on the offensive line, But is Robert Hainsey
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  Speaker 2: at center a replacement for long term John or is
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  Speaker 2: this like as we've talked about, maybe drafting someone and
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  Speaker 2: then kind.
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  Speaker 6: Of where are you looking at this? I don't really know.
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  Speaker 5: In the NFL these days, I don't know what long
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  Speaker 5: term means. I'm not making fun of the question. It's
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  Speaker 5: hard to say he's long term. But I do think
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  Speaker 5: they feel like from a power blocking, from a run blocking,
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  Speaker 5: from a physicality, tone setting point of view, A I
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  Speaker 5: think they would have been fine with Morse coming back,
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  Speaker 5: but I don't necessarily think that it was a soul
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  Speaker 5: crushing event when he informed them that he wasn't not
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  Speaker 5: anything a knock on him, but it enabled them to
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  Speaker 5: change two spots rather than just one, and didn't it
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  Speaker 5: feel like you needed some sort of tone change.
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  Speaker 6: I don't necessarily know.
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  Speaker 5: That Hainesy's that much better than Morse, but he's different
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  Speaker 5: in the sense that he's a physical he's a brawling
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  Speaker 5: kind of guy, and McCary is the same sort of way.
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  Speaker 5: They feel like they're going to be better in the
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  Speaker 5: run game short yardage, so I think that's probably the
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  Speaker 5: biggest storyline in terms of switching. I think he switched
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  Speaker 5: tone of the offensive line very much.
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  Speaker 2: Ran Is it important that they brought in another experience center? Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: Mitch Moore's brought a lot of respect understanding of football.
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  Speaker 2: I think, especially for Trevor to have someone like that
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  Speaker 2: at center, was that important?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think so.
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  Speaker 3: But I think specifically Kai the fact that he's experienced
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  Speaker 3: with Liam Cohen right, that he understands the scheme because
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  Speaker 3: they're going to run some different things up front. And
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  Speaker 3: Hainsey is a guy who can get the offensive line
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  Speaker 3: and the quarterback on the same page, which is why
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  Speaker 3: they wanted to bring Morse in last year, to make
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  Speaker 3: sure that he would be able to bring a cohesion
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  Speaker 3: that a young quarterback, still a young quarterback needs.
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  Speaker 4: The Hainsey thing is interesting.
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  Speaker 3: To me, and McCary in particular, those were the two
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  Speaker 3: guys I was most excited about because as we talked
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  Speaker 3: about John, this team could not convert third down and
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  Speaker 3: short in twenty three or twenty four. And when you
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  Speaker 3: think about what Liam Cohen did last year, the most
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  Speaker 3: impressive thing that he did in Tampa was take a
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  Speaker 3: running game that was near the bottom of the league
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  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three and move them into the top
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  Speaker 3: five in twenty twenty four. Think about what that does
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  Speaker 3: for Trevor Lawrence if he's got play action available to him.
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  Speaker 3: So you go bring those two guys in and have
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  Speaker 3: confidence in them, Maybe draft a guy even at five
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  Speaker 3: that you believe can contribute on.
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  Speaker 4: The offensive line.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you've gotten a lot better in the running game,
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  Speaker 3: which I think is pivotal.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, the major reason Hainesy was a target was what
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  Speaker 5: Brian said, familiar with the offense and Cohen.
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  Speaker 6: They know that he'll be.
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  Speaker 5: Able to be a second set eyes in the field
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  Speaker 5: for Trevor Lawrence. So that's mammoth and they think they're
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  Speaker 5: a better run blocking team. As far as the wide
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  Speaker 5: receiver Diami Brown, they feel like they now have two
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  Speaker 5: guys who can take the top off a defense. And
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  Speaker 5: they were worried going into this do we have enough
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  Speaker 5: guys at receiver. They didn't, as Bryance earlier in the
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  Speaker 5: show a big thing about yesterday. They wanted to get
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  Speaker 5: out of a situation where they felt like they had
• 12:02
  Speaker 5: to go get player B or player A.
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  Speaker 6: In the first round of the draft. They do won't
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  Speaker 6: have to force their hand in the draft.
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  Speaker 3: You look at it. I'm sorry, in the rub you
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  Speaker 3: look at it. There's the big receiver from Arizona, and
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  Speaker 3: I don't know where they've got him. I'm just throwing
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  Speaker 3: it out there. If he's the highest rated guy on
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  Speaker 3: the board, you know, you might say, well, we need
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  Speaker 3: more help on the defensive line because you know that
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  Speaker 3: guy at Michigan's really good. We need a cornerback, right,
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  Speaker 3: But if he's the highest rated guy on.
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  Speaker 4: Your board, go get him.
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  Speaker 3: We always talk about best player available versus need man.
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  Speaker 3: If you're in a position to take the best player
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  Speaker 3: available at number five, you got a chance to really
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  Speaker 3: upgrade your team.
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  Speaker 2: We talk about the scene in terms of Trevor Lawrence
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  Speaker 2: as he goes, this team will go when you're taking
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  Speaker 2: away two of his you know, we've called them safety
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  Speaker 2: blankets in Christian Kirk and Evan Ingram, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: this might be a growth opportunity, right, because when you
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  Speaker 2: have your guys that you trust and you know where
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: they're going to be, it's hard to get away from
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  Speaker 2: that at times. But Brian, we know what Brian Thomas
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  Speaker 2: Junior can do in a rookie year, what he's going
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  Speaker 2: to be able to do going forward is going to
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  Speaker 2: be even better. Will this give an opportunity for Trevor
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  Speaker 2: to branch out a bit?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Listen, he didn't. Trevor had had limited time with
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  Speaker 4: Brian Thomas. You know, made a couple of big throws.
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  Speaker 3: The one against the Colts the one in London against
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  Speaker 3: the Patriots are two that stand out. He's going to
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  Speaker 3: put himself in a position with Brian Thomas, he's going
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  Speaker 3: to become his new security blanket, right. And then Brenton
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  Speaker 3: Strange really came on again after Trevor was hurt last year.
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  Speaker 3: I think the transition to those two guys will be
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  Speaker 3: easier than some people might imagine because they're really talented
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  Speaker 3: and we'll make the quarterbacks job a whole lot easier.
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  Speaker 5: Look again on to press, but I loved what Ingram
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  Speaker 5: and Kirk did for this franchise for three years. They
• 13:38
  Speaker 5: were four and thirteen offense last year. Evan Ingram's yards
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  Speaker 5: per reception were way down last year. He's caught a
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  Speaker 5: lot of passes in the last couple of years, but
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  Speaker 5: they have not been downfield passes. They've then passes that
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  Speaker 5: sort of I don't say anybody could have done it,
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  Speaker 5: but it was not special plays.
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  Speaker 6: He had one touchdown last year.
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  Speaker 5: Brian Thomas Junior in twenty twenty five, if he plays
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  Speaker 5: LEVETD in twenty twenty four, is worth the combination of
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  Speaker 5: Kirk and Ingram in their prime, meaning he's that good, right,
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  Speaker 5: So I think some of it is there's a familiarity
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  Speaker 5: with Kirk and Ingram. Fans loved them and got used
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  Speaker 5: to them.
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  Speaker 6: I think when you look at.
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  Speaker 5: Where they've been, if both these players were at the
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  Speaker 5: peak of their career, peak production for the Jaguars, then
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  Speaker 5: I think this would be a bad move. But they've
• 14:28
  Speaker 5: been hurt the last couple of years. They're now going
• 14:30
  Speaker 5: into year ten and year nine and you're moving into
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  Speaker 5: a new regime. Let's not paint this as they're losing
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  Speaker 5: two All Pro players. I love these guys, but that's
• 14:43
  Speaker 5: not what they were the last year or so.
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  Speaker 2: We got nine new faces headed's Jacksonville this week, So
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  Speaker 2: we're going to talk a little bit more in depth
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  Speaker 2: about that after the break about some of the new
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: players come in to town. Move the freight, Move the freight,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back in.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be a busy week. We're gonna get to
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  Speaker 2: meet some of these new faces. But nine reported signings.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, things become official later in the week, but
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  Speaker 2: it's a lot of names. Now, we've been busy. This
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  Speaker 2: scene has been busy in free agency before, but maybe
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  Speaker 2: a little more money spent, a little more flash there.
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  Speaker 2: This looks like a lot of setting the standard. And John,
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  Speaker 2: I'm seeing a lot of you know, Vikings, like people
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  Speaker 2: that they're familiar with, the Bucks, the you know, the
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  Speaker 2: rams like these are teams that and players that the
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: coaches are familiar with.
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  Speaker 5: Well, Nick Mullens is obviously he's he's been with Yudinsky,
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: so he knows how this offense works. You want that
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: guy in the room with Trevor because when they're looking
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: at film, Mullins can presumably just say, hey, well that's
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: what you do on this play and you know, let's
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: move on. You're not having to google it, right, So,
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: and overall.
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: That was a huge theme for some of them.
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: I think it's important to note that Hainesy with the
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: Bucks started its center in twenty two and twenty three
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: for them did not start this past year because they
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: drafted a guy number twenty six overall, but he has
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: versatility as well as the ability to start at center.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: I think overall, Brian that familiarity, bringing in guys who
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: understand what's being done.
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: You know, it's the theme of the day. I don't
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: know how you get around it.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: No, And you look at the tight ends, right, I
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: think that's indicative of where their focus was, the offensive
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: line and the tight ends, because both the tight end
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: from the Rams and the tight end from the Vikings
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: are familiar faces and they're blocking tight ends. These are
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: not guys who are going to catch a hundred passes
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: or even fifty, but they understand the scheme and the
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: way that the Jaguars are going to have to get
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: this running game moving. And so they went and found
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: two guys. They fit from a cost perspective, they fit
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: from a scheme perspective, and their transitions to twenty twenty
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: seven twenty twenty eight. They'll help this team get where
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: it wants to go.
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: And I think which shouldn't be lost the nickelback Lewis
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: from the Cowboys. If there was a splash signing, he
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: was probably at this. If you looked at this secondary
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: going into yesterday, Tyson Campbell's a starter.
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, there's really nowhere else to go with it.
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: So Jarion Jones, I think we'll have a chance in
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: this to fit in. I think Dewey Wingard will have
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: a role depending on the draft, but Murray from the Texans,
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: Lewis from the Cowboys. This was about being able to
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: see what your secondary was because before yesterday there were gaps.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: Well, it's a great point.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Antonio Johnson's a guy that was drafted by the previous
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: regime and he has clearly a physical skill set. But
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: how does he fit in this news scheme and what
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: do they.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: Think of him?
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: TBD?
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that Monterrek Brown is the guy who's been around here,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: made some big plays like the one in New Orleans
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: not long ago, and yet you don't know what they
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: think of him or whether he can play the way that.
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: They want to.
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the guys beyond Tyson who were here, I'm not
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: throwing them out, Yeah, but they are.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: Going to have to prove where they fit.
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: You know, there's no pencil in yet on any of
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: those guys.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: For me, one of the names I was excited to
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: see was Diomie Brown. We watched the Commander's playoff game
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: together John against the Lions, and he had a great
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: playoff run for them, And just to have that speed
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: when we talk about Brian Thomas, clearly that's what they're
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: going with right now. I'm sure they'll fill in the
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: gaps elsewhere in the wide receiver group, but to have
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: those targets for Trevor exciting to see how they build
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: around it.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, if you just took his overall body
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: at work for four years, you wouldn't be that excited
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: if you took the last half of this last year.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: I'm it's sacrileged to say this. I'm not gonna say it,
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: but I gotta say it because we're on the air.
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: Keenan McCardell, remember was peaking with the Browns and then
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: they went and got him. Nobody really knew that much
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: about him and then all of a sudden he was ready.
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: Boy.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: So there's that element of you, you like having this
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: sort of potential of this sort of speed.
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: I think Keenan should be on the wall. So I'm
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: not gonna compare him to that you will be someday.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: But you know what I'm getting at right the ascending player,
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: this could be one of those diamonds. And they're rough,
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: and again they really feel like they now have two
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: players he can get deep.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Keena was a twelfth round draft picker Washington who you know,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: worked his way through the NFL, through the Bears and
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: the Browns and the Ravens and finally, you know, put
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: his feet on the ground here and became a player.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: That's the same thing. Look, there's receivers everywhere because this
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: is a passing league. College football has become a passing league,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: and not everybody's ready to step on the field, like
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Brian Thomas Junior to be a star right of the gate.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: And this guy, well, over a couple of years, it
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: appears he's really polished his skills and he's got something
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: that Keenan didn't have, which is that explosive speed.
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: And Keenan also started his career with Washington.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: So here we go.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: But to Keenan's defense, Keenan was the toughest sun and
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: you ever met. I watched Eric Turner cut him in
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: half twice on back to back plays and him get
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: up and keep moving.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: So I mean Keenan, I mean, if I had to
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: put some man on the wall right now, he's not there.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: He belongs.
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: He's that guy.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, stay with us. We'll tell you what's coming up
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: the rest of the week and what we've got cooking
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: behind the scenes as well. The exam brought to you
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: by Fresh from Florida.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: It's always in season.
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: Everything you can read some of the stuff actual day shot,
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: taking a chance, looking forward to be see.
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: You know, big upside like now parac Base.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: We want they're going to be here.
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: Right hey.
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: One of the trademarks of our leadership group is that
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: when there's an opportunity to be bold, we won't play.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Certainly, we're bold with some of their decisions right out
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: of the gate, and we're going to see a lot
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: more changes coming up this week with free agency and
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: then going into the draft, and the hunt is going
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: to be there for all of it. We're really excited
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: with this new regime, unprecedented access, a lot of great
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: stuff coming together, and the hunt will be back with you.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: So that's what you get when you go as young
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: as they did. They understand the dynamic of I mean
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: they've they've lived, they've grown up with NFL films, and
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: I mean it wasn't that the access wasn't there in
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: the early years because those coaches were so secret. Of
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: these guys, they're grown up with cameras everywhere, and so
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: it's they're used to it.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: It's good for the fans.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: Credits all three of them, Tiny Beseillar for understanding the
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: import to that. But to me, credit to Gladstone and
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: Cohen for this. When you're coming into a regime, it's
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: easy to say you want to be transparent. There's some
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: pressure on you and you're coming into the new world
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: to still say, okay, you know what you can see
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: as we go in this Not every executive and coach
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: would do that. So I guess thanks to them for
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: the fans for that.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: A lot of good stuff to come. We're gonna hear
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: from some of these free agents later in the week.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: So we're back with you on jag Zam next week.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: We'll be able to weigh in on that have a
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: good week.