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Episode 197 | The More Things Change · Corie Sheppard Podcast

• 1:03
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: It have a kind of rhythm out of this world.
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: It have a kind of feeling that take you soon.
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: You could be cold as ice or you had a sting when it hit you.
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: It's one time you're going to feel you could have worries, don't know what to do and you're all alone and you're feeling blue.
• 1:16
  Speaker 1: When it hit you you're bound to jump back south.
• 1:19
  Speaker 1: It's a little music a-talking Like no music make me want to jump.
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: Caribbean music make me want to jump when you hear it.
• 1:37
  Speaker 2: Music make me want to jump and becky make me want to jump.
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: Inspector make me want to jump welcome to calypso.
• 2:23
  Speaker 2: Thank you when we jam you.
• 2:25
  Speaker 2: You come to get up, make me want to jump Juke, make me want to jump Mingus, make me want to jump Iowa, make me want to jump Inveda.
• 2:55
  Speaker 3: Make me want to jump.
• 2:56
  Speaker 3: It's not certain.
• 2:58
  Speaker 3: They say I don't tell you what calypso and you don't sing what right.
• 3:00
  Speaker 3: But it's not.
• 3:00
  Speaker 3: Certain people are supposed to know.
• 3:01
  Speaker 3: Right, go and look it up, right?
• 3:07
  Speaker 3: Welcome to episode 197 of the quarry shepherd podcast.
• 3:09
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to everybody who's been listening.
• 3:09
  Speaker 3: Welcome to all the new listeners.
• 3:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know what making that buzzing, but we're here listen this calypso history month.
• 3:12
  Speaker 3: Finally, we anticipate in october so we could come and play music whole episode.
• 3:18
  Speaker 3: But a budget read, a budget reads all they want to do this.
• 3:22
  Speaker 3: I want to do this.
• 3:23
  Speaker 3: Oh, I want to do this.
• 3:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, I want that whole episode, because the budget by itself is a solid hour.
• 3:28
  Speaker 3: Budget by itself is a solid hour worth of work and Calypso History Month is about four, five, six hours, and that's week one, that's week one.
• 3:42
  Speaker 3: So how are we doing it?
• 3:43
  Speaker 3: How are we doing it?
• 3:43
  Speaker 3: How are we splitting up this between the music to be played and the selections to be played and the budget to be read?
• 3:49
  Speaker 3: Because, to be honest, some of the budget thing could be quite interesting to some people who want to hear about the budget and the breakdown.
• 3:56
  Speaker 3: By now you're supposed to know everything that happened in the budget.
• 3:58
  Speaker 3: I want to give my opinion and people might want to hear that and make some sense out of the thing.
• 4:03
  Speaker 3: But to tell you the truth too, some people are only here to hear the kaiso who is who?
• 4:45
  Speaker 5: guitar solo.
• 4:46
  Speaker 5: Can you hear a distant drum Bouncing on the laughter of a melody?
• 4:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 4:54
  Speaker 5: And does the rhythm tell you, come, come, come, come.
• 4:58
  Speaker 5: Does your spirit do a dance to this symphony?
• 5:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 5:03
  Speaker 5: Does it tell you that your heart is a liar, oh yeah.
• 5:08
  Speaker 5: And does it tell you that your pain is a liar, oh yeah.
• 5:12
  Speaker 5: Does it wash away all your unlovely Well?
• 5:19
  Speaker 5: Are you ready for a brand new discovery?
• 5:24
  Speaker 5: Calypso, calypso, calypso, calypso music.
• 5:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 5:32
  Speaker 5: Calypso, calypso, calypso Music.
• 5:39
  Speaker 5: Singing, Calypso, singing.
• 5:53
  Speaker 5: I'm the seed of the growing tiger.
• 5:55
  Speaker 5: Now I've got to sing, and if so, it is a living vibration Rooted deep within my Caribbean belly Lyrics to make a politician cringe or turn a woman's body into jelly, it is a sweet.
• 6:34
  Speaker 5: So can you say Calypso, they coulda never refuse it.
• 6:40
  Speaker 5: Calypso, it make you shake like a shango, now Calypso.
• 6:43
  Speaker 5: It make you shake like a shango, now, calypso.
• 6:47
  Speaker 5: Why it is you shaking?
• 6:49
  Speaker 5: You don't know.
• 6:49
  Speaker 5: That's calypso, calypso, calypso, calypso music.
• 6:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I say I lie on the seed, on the seed of a tiller now, and like a hunter, I've got to sing.
• 7:27
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah yeah oh yeah, calypso, that's some song you can't cut off, just so you know.
• 7:32
  Speaker 5: Oh, oh, oh, oh yeah, Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah ah ah, I can still hear a lion roar through Greenwich Village While Executor kills them dead At the Ribbon.
• 7:49
  Speaker 5: Do Lord Invader conquers world In, but their hearts this time, and Lord Kitchener, make it.
• 7:57
  Speaker 5: Whole London feels so few Beginner, and terror too, with Troy Coleman fingers Dancing on the ground.
• 8:04
  Speaker 5: Dancing on the ground, dancing on the ground.
• 8:06
  Speaker 5: And when you think that it's true, yes, that's nothing yet.
• 8:09
  Speaker 5: Yes, that's nothing yet.
• 8:11
  Speaker 5: And we all, braced by the presence of Sparrow Men sling a gun with their tail, hear them shouting Sparrow, sparrow, calypso, calypso.
• 8:24
  Speaker 5: Calypso Music.
• 8:31
  Speaker 3: So, a little bit of budget, a little bit of music, that's what we come up with.
• 8:33
  Speaker 3: Who decided to play music here just now?
• 8:36
  Speaker 3: Hold on, all right, stalin, you're easy.
• 8:38
  Speaker 3: We done played you already Easy.
• 8:39
  Speaker 3: A little bit of budget, a little bit of Kaiso right, we have four weeks with the Kaiso music and one week worth of budget.
• 8:47
  Speaker 3: How the fuck am I supposed to play Kaiso 52 weeks a year?
• 8:50
  Speaker 3: Welcome to everybody else to Calypso History Month, right.
• 8:55
  Speaker 3: Welcome to everybody who's playing Calypso this month and joined me.
• 8:57
  Speaker 3: I'll see you at the end of the month when we say farewell, right, when you're done with Kaiso.
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: Again, inbert unveils $59.7 billion.
• 9:06
  Speaker 3: But wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 9:06
  Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on, before we get into that, I think to talk about over the weekend.
• 9:10
  Speaker 3: I think to talk about over the weekend.
• 9:11
  Speaker 3: Let me get myself in order.
• 9:12
  Speaker 3: Let me get myself in order Because the budgeting on my mind.
• 9:18
  Speaker 3: I want to jump into it, but I went out over the weekend.
• 9:22
  Speaker 3: I shake my foot.
• 9:23
  Speaker 3: No intention to do so, right, no intention to do so.
• 9:26
  Speaker 3: But let me tell you what happened to me over the weekend, though I watching just to get something started, right, Once I done record an episode, I started to check the papers one time and copy and paste articles for what we go to about next week, right, check the socials, check the mainstream media, see what they're talking about, and we have a we have an episode already, kind of trying to figure out what kind of music will play in between there and so on.
• 9:48
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean I like to try to figure that out.
• 9:51
  Speaker 3: You know how we go in the episode, what we go use to close off and where's the theme for the music in the episode, right, but there's something that I never do.
• 9:58
  Speaker 3: I've learned not to do over the years.
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: I do not record any episode before I go to the Daily Express newspaper, the Trinidad Express magazine, and check out what Michael Mondesi the great Michael Mondesi had to say.
• 10:15
  Speaker 3: I am not recording no episode before I read everything Michael Mondesi say during the course of the week.
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: So one of them things I see was celebrating George Carter, the legendary parent there who brings a lifetime of music to the stage, basically advertising or promoting a concert, right, and I tell myself well, if Michael Mondesi is right about it, it's important.
• 10:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know George Carter, right, I'll admit, but if Michael Mondesi is covering him, then it's something I need to get to know, according to my partner, jade.
• 10:45
  Speaker 3: Jade is saying you must come to know.
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: When you don't know, try and come to know.
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: So let me read what he had to say and find out a little bit about George Carter.
• 10:56
  Speaker 3: So the article read Tomorrow night, 72 year old, parang Stalwart, george Carter, will take the stage At Centre Excellence Macquarie For a special concert that celebrates his life's work.
• 11:07
  Speaker 3: Carter, the founder of Parang band Amantis de Paranda, I tell myself.
• 11:12
  Speaker 3: But I wonder if they're short a quattro man.
• 11:13
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm looking for a band that's short a quattro man, or either that or have a real good quattro man.
• 11:19
  Speaker 3: I could just shadow right, they said the founder.
• 11:23
  Speaker 3: Founder, the band amantes de paranda will be joined by family and lifelong friends in music as he reflects on decades of dedication to the art form, he said.
• 11:30
  Speaker 3: I'm thrilled and overwhelmed at the same time.
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: Carter shared with the express yesterday it's an honor to be on the same stage with these people who have made me so proud.
• 11:38
  Speaker 3: My work has certainly not been in vain.
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: Born in barataria in 1952, carter's early love for parang was sparked by his mother, anastasia carter, who often shared stories about the traditional music at the cora valley.
• 11:50
  Speaker 3: It wasn't until his teenage years that his passion truly took hold.
• 11:53
  Speaker 3: Listening to the music at the band called saint joseph hill tuppers on the radio and hearing his mother's stories piqued my interest, or hearing my mother's stories piqu interest, he recalled.
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: I later encountered Parang at the Guerrero family home in Lopino, where I met icons like Sotero Gomez, papagoon, cipriani Ruiz and Mr Rez.
• 12:14
  Speaker 3: I was mesmerized.
• 12:15
  Speaker 3: Under the guidance of Ben Guerrero, carter began playing the quattro and singing with the group Los Amigos de Lopino.
• 12:22
  Speaker 3: His growing love for the music soon extended into his professional life as a teacher.
• 12:27
  Speaker 3: His music was so exciting.
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: When I entered the teaching service I immediately introduced these students because I felt it was important for educational development, he recalled.
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: Born out of love.
• 12:37
  Speaker 3: Carter's dual passion for teaching and parang drove him to form his own band, amantes de Paranda, supported by Keith Regal, and his vision was to inspire students to embrace the music, both the music and the Spanish language.
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: He was born into the ex-People's Association of St Benedict's RSC School of St John's Roots in Augustine.
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: He explained I wanted the students to learn to play instruments and use Parang to spread love and joy.
• 13:01
  Speaker 3: It has also helped develop their social skills as they interacted with people over time a mantis, the paranda and evolved, incorporating elements of folk music and calypso and performing and music.
• 13:13
  Speaker 3: I could go there and play a little kaizo.
• 13:15
  Speaker 3: I can't do to do the spanish outside of just gaining a chorus.
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: If you sing a chorus in spanish I will give you a sir.
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: You know, I would sing along with whatever song, like you say.
• 13:24
  Speaker 3: Right, but I could give you some Kai.
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: So he said the band is like family.
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: I like family too.
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: They are comfortable with one another and they also explore playing and arranging music in other genres.
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: Carter's impact goes beyond leading the band.
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: True Parang has taught Spanish and fostered a deep cultural connection for countless students.
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: Some of his former students include his children.
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: They have formed their own band, pursued studies in music and Spanish.
• 13:49
  Speaker 3: I think I've had a tremendous impact.
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: Many former students are now parents who in turn have encouraged their children to join the art form.
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: Carter's work with National Junior Parang and the Prime Minister's Best Village Competition has been a highlight of his career.
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: He recalls the pride of seeing a student who didn't speak Spanish achieve perfect Marx in diction.
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: I've had memorable moments, but I'm always proud to see the growth of people in self-expression, playing music and singing.
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: He said I've had students who've shed tears but finally succeeded.
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: Having my own children join the band has also been a highlight.
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: He said evolution is inevitable, but while Parang has evolved over the years, carter believes it's vital to maintain the core traditions of the genre.
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: I will talk about some of the core traditions of the genre.
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: Parang must evolve into new instruments, chords and song content, but it's balanced by trying to maintain the musicality of the art form.
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: He also calls for great financial investment in parang, particularly in the National Parang Association of Trinidad and Tobago Junior Competitions.
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: Carter believes introducing parang into school curriculums is vital for its survival.
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: We're going to talk about that too.
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: He said it's a joy to see so many children playing parang.
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: I'll be happy to see more people encouraging them and investing more time in them.
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: And money to the junior Parang Help finance the National Parang Association with the exceptional work being done with the youth on minimal budget.
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: As for his legacy, he's confident that Parang will continue to thrive for generations to come.
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: So salute, salute, salute.
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: Salute to George Carter, obviously an icon obviously loved by many, many people.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: Salute to Michael Mondesi for always bringing these things to the fore.
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: But I can tell you this I like to come here and make jokes and sky-lark and talk about people.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: You know anything people do in this house.
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: I like to make jokes on the podcast.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: But I was surprised when I got a call over the course of the week and a woman told me she wanted to carry me out.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: She wanted to carry me on her date.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: Salute to Jov, salute to Javita Gomez, a loyal listener, faithful listener, who just the other day she told me she loved the family and the bond that we share and all these things.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: And I said but what is this?
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: I have a little family bond and think about a woman want to carry me out.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: Javita, like I'm still in the game.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: Woman said she want to carry me out on a date Saturday night and she ain't telling me where I'm going.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: And she ain't telling me where I'm going and she ain't telling me what it's about.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: She's just telling me Saturday night we are carrying on a date.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: I have plans.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: You know, me and my son have class whole day Saturday.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: I'm struggling.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: I have a new course going on right now in a MBA program and the course is data analytics, digital analytics and data analytics, and I'm struggling.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: I get the information late, I'm flustered.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: I like to be very, very, very prepared when class time comes, and now I'm week to week in this course.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: I've been lecturing for a long time now, so it's our courses where I do have to open the textbook to teach.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: You can't do it for so long.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: So every time I have a new course it's stressful and I'd be flustered.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: So I looking forward after my class.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: My class is eight, about three yesterday, uh, saturday, and I tell myself well, after that I will carry my big son and we'll go and take in fatima, beat up sin mary's, because sin mary's is nothing right, sin mary's is nada, nada.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: And since zachary started go fatima, I started to get back more interested in intercolle football.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: As every when I pass and pick him up and it's how football we will go and take him to get a little father-son bonding and things.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: As Jovita says, keep the family love alive.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: I'm receiving that with open arms.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: That woman wants to carry me on dates.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: So imagine I had to cancel my thing with my son.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: I said, well, alright, I had to cancel my Saturday evening rest and go on dates and so on.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: But all joke aside, paula date and so on.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: But all joke aside, palestasie says she carried me out and she driving and she done thing and she need to know if I could go on.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: If to buy ticket I want to say no because I don't want to go, but the way she's singing, the man all man know.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: All married man know how it is sung when they're saying okay, but it's not okay, right, if you're married.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: If you're married, you know these things right.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: And I decided to go and little did I know that she went on her own.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: I didn't say anything to her.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Tell you this, right, when I plan in that episode, one of the things I scarcely ever do is discuss with anybody we're gonna talk about.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: I I tend to like to come here and figure it out.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Sometimes when I crack the mic I figure out what I'm gonna say.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: I don't like to discuss topics and find out things and I'm getting too much.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: So she don't know why I be coming here to talk about.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: But funny enough, you know it's the same concert I just read about that.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: The woman carrying me on a date to go and see George Carter, that's his wife.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: I don't want to talk about wife, you know what I mean.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Where again, you could want a life offset.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Where again you could want, you know.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: So we went in the show.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: You know, so we went in the show.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: I glad I said yes, eventually, from the time she tell me, well, like she, she know I don't as a man, don't too like woman, drive me as a man, like to drive where I go, let me drive right.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: So she say, I know, from the time I tell you where it is, you're annoying us.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Well, tell me.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: And she said center excellence.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Of course I knew george carter show was at seven o'clock at the center excellence and we went up.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: It was nice.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Uh, center excellence is an easy venue, right, easy to get into, easy parking and that kind of thing.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: And we went into the show.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: And gratefully, thankfully, as with everything else in culture in this country, you're always a little skeptical as to what the numbers will look like if people will support.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: I've been to many, many Calypso shows of late where the thing scares, you know there's few people coming out.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: But I'll tell you this was completely subscribed.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: You know if it is sold out it was close to.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: And just what I had read in this article and prepared to talk about here is what I saw when I walk into the place are very much a family atmosphere.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: By the time I talked to stacy about when she'll get the tickets and all them kind of thing she told me is mr Carter's wife come and drop the tickets for her and tell her she was a school teacher too.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: And we saw Mrs Carter by the door taking tickets when we came in.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: I walk in, I wait and I say well, if you're carrying me out, you have to lick them up.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: You can't carry me out and it's dry mouthing.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: So I sent you by the bar.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: I do them.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: I do women exactly what they do man.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: I say go by the bar and I drink it, whatever you feel.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: And I turned to complete woman in the center, excellent.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: But while I'm waiting for my drink, mr Carter himself passed and hailed me.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: He looked like let me tell you something right, and Stacey can tell you this too Anybody who was a school teacher teacher, uh, for me with lecturing over the years and anybody who's doing a job where you see and interact with plenty of people, yeah, what you do right is just hail out people like you know them.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, I see it.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: I see, as we're talking something else in this.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: In this, in this uh episode, I see the older brother, joel julian, so it's a joel julian, jason julian.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: I see him one time in murray and me.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Don't know this man from nowhere.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: But as soon as he walk in and me and he I make fun, he say yeah, man cool, and look away immediately.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: It's just when he's dealing with too much people it's safer to assume that you kind of know the person, because when he's a school teacher it has some little trend.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: You mean the world to say is you can't remember them from nowhere.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: You don't know this little child from Adam.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: So, mr Carter, do me the real school teacher thing.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: He say how you going, son.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I say good, how you going.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: He say nice, right, and I see you going and thing.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: But the show start.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: The show was well put together.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Now I'll tell you this too.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Right, pallet Stacey, take all the notes.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: She tell me don't take no notes.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: I go take the notes, you just enjoy the show.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: She never sent me the notes and now she in and sent you phone when it's time to record.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: It's a rough life and I'm only working from my memory thing bad.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: So my earliest memory in the show right, I want to say that, uh, a very, very good, great pan man come and play.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: He was great, he was great, google him.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: He was very, very good.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: But what struck me in that thing was that guitarist there's a woman playing guitar there, right, and somebody had to help me find this woman.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: I know I make jokes and say I want to be in a band, but somebody had to help me find this woman Because, outside of my father who you call it bias or whatever right, it's, when I play music with my father, I learn to play music.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Watching him play chords and trying to make the chord, the way I play and fit in with him, is something to listen to.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: I don't like to listen back to it because it's almost like I get to learn to play, designed to accompany him, if that makes sense.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I'm playing right in his spaces, tight Pause.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: But I listen to this woman play to accompany the pan man and I mesmerized is the only word I could come up with.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: I said but will she learn to play guitar?
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: So she have a picking and chucking style?
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: It it's tight, I said.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: But what is the first time I ever hear somebody play guitar.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: I ain't saying my father is the greatest guitarist, although he is but I've never gone anywhere and hear somebody play like him, like so tight, especially when she play calypso.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Different boy, different.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: And I said what is this?
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: And she hitting them bass strings and he's jamming down some chords there.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I said nah, boy, she bad.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Second performer.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Well, I see she kind of stay on stage.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: So I tell him stay, see, no, like she ain't going boy, like she stayed, and then she walk off.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: But she did come back and she has a band by the name of kairi kaiso.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Now I really I would tell you right, I was gonna talk to the woman while she there and tell her listen, I want to be a part of this band.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: But by the time I look and I look again, she gone.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: I see, I see the woman who was with with her singing backup and I tell her I want to be part of the band, but she, I was heading in the bathroom and she was heading in the bathroom, so it was a little awkward.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: But the woman who I'm talking about is by the name of marvin newton.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Only, I sent facebook requests, she, she answering me.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: What the hell is going on, just from one day woman asking me to carry me on day to the next day.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: I sent, send in requests and get in blank.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: But you see, marvin Newton, I had to play music.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, let me manifest it one time I am going to play music with a woman.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: I never see nothing like that, because Kairi Kaiso is exactly my zone.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: They come together and they sing some of the greats in Calypso.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: They really put together a set, so the band is comprised of a backup singer.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: I think she's playing a percussion instrument, if I'm not right, another lady who's playing a flute and a man playing what I call a djembe.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Right, I hear them calling it something else, but I know it's a djembe.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Sit down on it on your beat right.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: And one of the songs is the song I played for Republic Day, I believe Trinidad and Tobago.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: That's Sparrow right, sparrow Model Nation.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: The population in this nation is not a lot.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: You know the song and they play that and she has a big voice, big Again, again.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: My father is one of the men I play music with who go in and play acoustic by people, big, big, venue and thing acoustic.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: And when he sing he's pulling out venue.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know how this man's voice is so big.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Again, mavon, you can remind me of this.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: If you hear a voice, follow the center.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Excellent, aces, aces, playing and playing and singing.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: I'm going to find my way into kairi people and I don't know how we go.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Again, my facebook thing blank here.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: You know what mavo, but it is what it is.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: But that was the show.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: They.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: They went on to have lara brothers again.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: I want to spend a little minutes on how long we here now spend a little minute talk.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Talk about lara brothers right, sito and willie from back in the day.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: And and what constituted lara brothers?
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: We talk about them in alignment with what N-Pat was talking about.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: A couple weeks ago they created a signature sound in parallel Sound in terms of the way they would use their voices, especially as a group of men, and the way they would harmonize and their voices blend.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: It's a funny comparison, right, right, but the only the only other male group I've heard use their voices in harmony the way lara brothers does is the original whalers peter, bunny and bob right when they came together before it had rita marley and marcia griffiths on the eye trees right.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Listen to the original whalers recording all those recordings before what do you mind name Blackwell, blackheart, whatever Blackson, whatever your name was?
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Who take them and remaster all those songs?
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Because a lot of the more popular Bob Marley songs now is remastered songs, right, but if you listen to the original recordings and the way three of them are harmonized, it is special.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: And when you listen to Lara Brothers, tito and Willie on harmonize, it is special.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: And when you listen to lara brothers, tito and willie on our front line harmonizing songs and then the backup, they will, the instrumentalist, then the band.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: When the men say I do a terrible job at it, right, but listen to any one of them, larry brothers songs, and listen to how they use their voice.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: And now larry brothers has gone through several transitions because, um, as with, as with many things in trend, that is, is, is, let me just say, in trend that it's difficult when you have a band, that is, when you have a band that's so iconic, right, you tend to find that the lead singers, when the singers pass away and gone, like let me use Daisy as a bad example, right, daisy was the lead singer in La Divina Pastora when that voice and that persona, and them the flowers, when them things move right and they go into a higher plane and they're vibrating on a higher frequency than it right, it's extremely.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: It's a hard act to follow.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: You know that term, hard act to follow, is a real thing.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: It almost you don't want to hear the same songs if it's not daisy and it is.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: So I remember talking about this when I saw several singers go on stage to try to I don't want to say replace, but fill the shoes of Blacks.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: When Blacks passed away and the All-Stars had to go and perform, it was a difficult thing for anybody to go on that stage when you're accustomed here in Blacks.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: I remember seeing it in what was kairi people fed again.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Um, breakfast is a year and that was the first year they had because blacks are stapling breakfasts right.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: But when blacks didn't come on, the fed just never reached back to blacks levels and I'll say it takes a special, a special type of entity you know, to not just, not just uh, attempt to fill that spot, but have the patience to stay there while people ignore you.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: They want to hear the original voice.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: So they didn't take you on.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: They.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: You know people say larry brothers going through.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: The expectation is that the that the band will never be the same because Tito and Willie not there again, right, it takes a special kind of entertainer to go through them kind of blows and still continue to perform.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Most people again because as an entertainer you could sing, you could perform, you're on stage.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: So you could probably go and do that with our next band.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: You could go and call up amantis and say, listen, george, I want to be somewhere else.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean lara brothers thing and working out like legacy, not there.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: You could, you could do all these things and just basically step away from it.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: And I had a salute.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: This youth man who is in charge of lara brothers.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Now this, this is a special guy.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Uh, I don't know his name, right, because palestasian notes, it's beautiful, but I see him on instagram all the time and I've always admired him because he continued the tradition, right, the band is much smaller than it used to be and he's seen some older faces and things, but this fella ought to be a young fella.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: He's definitely half my age.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: He's no, he no old man.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: But let me tell you something, and he's plenty taller than I thought in person.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: This man's tall, plenty, stage presence.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: And when Lara Brothers came on, mr Carter went on stage and performed with them and that was at the theme of the night.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Right, mr Carter went on stage and performed with a lot of the artists or bands that came on right.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: So to Mr Carter, solid, solid guitarist.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: But when staccato, solid, solid guitarist.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: But when lara brothers came on, and that youth man voice full up that hole, it is special and I'm telling you, no, right, I said it about um official brung, right, being in that that days, if was there of our age, like you know, we, I will, at least at my age now, when you're near 40, well, I in 40s, like in mid 40s, right, you see iconic people like tito and willie.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: You see iconic people like I play david rudd, I play stalin.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: They're supposed to be mega stars by the time I come around.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: And I think now we're at a special stage where you could actually observe legends in the making and see what they become, because they're young to us and they, they, they up and coming.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: It's like the sports, you know, when I watch, I see zachary talking about I still talk about Zidane and Fat Ronaldo and these people, but when Zachary tell you about Yamal and Bellingham, and what is the man's name?
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Hendrick, one little child playing football.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: But you can see the way they're putting in the work now to become legends of their own, of their own time.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: And this youth man is special.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: He's filling out some shoes that almost impossible to fill.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: He's taking his space of what would be two icons and he front line, singing them songs by himself.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: And he's singing the lara brothers original songs and I'll tell you, the boy have a beautiful voice, beautiful, beautiful, powerful.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: The band is well rehearsed and very, very tight and this was the first time.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: I always see them on facebook live, in particular, right every time, every when they're rehearsing, they tend to go live on facebook and I would, um, I would take it in as much as I could and I've always admired his stick-to-itiveness, if you want to call it that.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: He, he dare with it and he continuing the legacy.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: You wonder sometimes if he, if he know what it is, he, he do.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: You know the, the naivety of youth is an important thing in this life.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: You know sometimes, as a youth, no matter how big the shoes is to fill, you know what you could do, you know you're capable of and you go up there and do it and he, he doing it, he doing it, he doing it.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: He's solid, he's a, he's a, he's a great performer.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Anytime you get chance, try your best to see lara brothers the next time I come to talk about them.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: I promise you I will know the man name, right.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: While while I'm doing it, I'm looking through the facebook page to see if I can find name is embarrassing, but blame it on your wife, right, blame it on your wife.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: They were great, uh.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Other performers included.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: Other performers included.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: This is why women have to be asking me on dates.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Los Alumnos, they're San Juan.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Los Alumnos is Los Alumnos, right, and Alicia Jagger, so I see who she is and them.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Just come in and mash up the place.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: They are a Alumnos, right and Alicia Jagger, that's who she is and them.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Just come in and mash up the place.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: They are a much bigger band, right, a much, much bigger band.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Plenty of instruments.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: I think one of the issues with the venue like Center Excellence, the sound control might not be the greatest for a band as big as Los Alumnos.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: The same thing happened when Amantis came on.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Were the very, very big band, plenty instruments and thing, but then the whole place starts singing echoey and that is headache for me.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: And by the time they they came to end, uh, chucky went on stage with, with, with amantis, and performed with them.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Of course, mr carter was on stage honored several times throughout the show.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: They had several prizes.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: They were, they had good sponsorship, at least for prizes.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't know how to do the monetary part, but the place was full enough.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: I hope they make money.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: I hope they do well.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: But the most important thing about that night, beside my getting takeout, you know, I mean beside my getting a little date and I'm still in the gear, you know, I started to do some push-ups in the weekend thing now and I feel like a hot boy, you know, I mean, I started to do some push-ups in the weekend.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: I feel like a hot boy, you know what I mean.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: I started to get some ozempic and take.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: But beside all that, it was nice to be in a show that was honoring a legend who was here.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Right, because I've been over the years on my journey doing this A lot of times I end up going to shows that are in honor of people who are no longer here.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: It is beautiful.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: It is a beautiful thing to see people get their flowers in person and to see several performers, several artists, because I talk about I want to join any band on stage there, but the people in the crowd them so everybody looking like they could play instruments, everybody's singing along with every guy.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: So when you, when you're in that space, you know you well.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: For me, I know I'm in this space that are supposed to be in and it was a beautiful thing to be greeted by him when I came in.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: It was a beautiful thing to see him get on stage with every one of them bands and sing with them and play like he'd been rehearsing with all these different bands.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: What is man of fine time?
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: He playing, and no, these stops, and no, this man never met him well outside, outside of saturday night, but an icon.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: And to see him there, to be able to close his own show, that must have been a very, very prideful moment for him and I hope to see and be a part of many, many, many more, many more festivities, activities, tributes, whatever form they might take, where the person could be right here receiving the flowers.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: So salute to mr george carter and a special thank you to my bird you know I mean my bird, who treat me like a bird she wouldn't think she'd do, is drive my wrong, but we, we here for it.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Hey, before I get into the budget, I could play one more kaiso volley.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: I have a special calypsonian lineup to play in on our field, based on how much time just passed.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know me and the cultural thing, right, how much time just passed?
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: I might push it to next week, you know, I mean the way I see it going.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: But since we're here to celebrate kaizo, right, uh, I like the fact that michael mondese, in particular, spends a lot of time teaching.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: He himself is like mr george carter, always, always teaching us something, always giving us some more information about a person or somebody who we should know and we ought to know, right, it was a sad thing this week, where it's funny enough, in my class over the weekend there, I have a student who is in communications in the ministry of arts and culture I can't remember the name of the ministry, randall mitchell ministry, right?
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Tourism, arts and culture, whatever and I was asking her about the reaction to the renaming of the auditorium in queensville to the winnie fred at will, uh, auditorium, and she was just talking about some of that in class and it's.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: It's funny how we could simply just not know a Winnie Fred at well.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: We know all kind of thing about all kind of like in my time, in particular all kind of Macbeth and all these things that I struggled to read so much I couldn't keep up with with information, like I don't know what that is, it's, so I could just can't relate to it.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: And we have people and greats and icons like this.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: We had George Carter right here we could put in textbook and talk about.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: But we want to talk about some of these foreign greats.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: But then the spirit of michael mondesi who will, who does not just a lot of highlights and interviews, he does a lot of explaining and a lot of teaching.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: The question come to my mind in calypso month, like what is really calypso?
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: I'm sure you don't really know.
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: I don't think you know what is really calypso, because the words that we rhyme and sing is only half the thing.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: I can show you that Calypso is more than a work of art.
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: It is a feeling which comes from deep within, sometimes a tale of joy or one of suffering.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: It's an editorial in song of the life that we undergo.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: That, and only that, I know, is true.
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: So you must admit there is nothing quite like it.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: From West Africa they brought our poor father who had to toil as slaves in the fields all day.
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: But what they did?
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: They chanted their own love way about how Massa treated them bad.
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: And so Calypso begun here in Trinidad.
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: So it has a rhythm unto itself alone.
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: It has a native beat, beep, beep, all over it all.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: It's a way of life, a way of love From centuries ago.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: Our folk art, I know, must be Calypso.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: Of Calypso, yeah, they are different opinions.
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: Some people say we sing too smarty, but with that I cannot agree, because if Calypso is smart, well, no, answer this.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: What was Shakespeare's Venus and Adonis?
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: Yet no one made a fuss.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: So why try to point your finger at us?
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: Because we sing you things that you selfless say, and what I mean is we bring you events of the day, anybody business, we come right here and we let you know.
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: Moby Lang has its song.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: Let me tell you Names like Attila, sparrow, duke and Kitchener has fought a long way To bring it where it is today.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: But still that word Calypso is in dispute by men who know our history beyond repute.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: Some say it's from spanish, african and french, but I know trinidad is the land of the calypso.
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: Now you take a child born here a few years ago, the first thing you'll hear it's a calypso.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: That's why we are proud and glad of what nations wish they had.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Calypso, calypso calypso is the answer of Kelvin Pope, right, the mighty Duke, you know him, find him so right.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Budget, budget, budget budget.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: You can't avoid it no longer, right?
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Inbert unveils $59.7 billion budget package with sweeteners for public servants.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Billion dollar budget package Wade sweeteners for public servants.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Finance Minister Carl Bembert yesterday delivered a budget package with salary increases and other sweeteners for public servants.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: In an overall $59.7 billion package, about $60 billion is where we usually land right, a 5% wage increase for public servants, $2 minimum wage hike for public sector workers.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Uh, from November, that is VAT refunds coming.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Tax and NIS amnesties and three entities shortlisted for Guaracara Refinery were included in a package with some dubbed an election budget.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: You know, young time man, hey, election budget, right, what it used to be is less VAT on less items.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: If only you remember, right Election budget.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: We have gotten some things like V, moving from 15 to 20, 12 and a half percent.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: We get things like in the income tax threshold moving from 60 000 to 72 000 to 90 000.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: All them thing happen in election budget.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all these was things that happened.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Then we get things like dollar for dollar and gates.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: All them thing was in election years.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: But, um, I guess the dragon deal gas only coming through in like about 2099, right, so we not no money coming from from nothing yet.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: So this is why election budget look like now about a five percent increase to a minimum wage hike.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Uh, some vat returns.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: So plenty promises to, of promises too.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Right, because the VAT returns on the Guayaquara refinery we got to see if it really sells, they say, loaded with optimism and positives.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: The budget will apply to the period taken TNT up to the end of the next fiscal year when we're in full general election mode.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: Right, we have our next full budgetary.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: That election next year is probably not going to be till november, am I right?
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: Am I right that november is the time?
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: So they still have a next budget to read at least?
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Well, what they could do.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: They don't have a destruction budget for when you lost the election, for the next set of people to catch hell when you come right.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: So you could do our budget about just about three billion dollars across the board.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: So somebody, some.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: There was some sort of highlights or the things that mattered to me most that I'd pulled out of the budget, and, uh, one of them was that I didn't, I didn't get a clear sense of what was happening with sport.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: I know some of these ministries amalgamated these days, right, so I didn't get clear.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Like sports and culture, you're not seeing anything specific about those things and for me personally, I feel like a long-term remedial action for crime or not even remedial, not so so that we're not in the same crime situation in the next 10, 20 years.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: I think we had to be putting proper investments into education, sports, music, culture, music culture, the arts.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Youths need options, youths need places to go and things to aspire to become.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Youths need plenty more George Carters, you know, who dare to inspire them and so on and put them out.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: But there tends to be, I think in the last 20 years there tends to be this massive focus on national security, which is reactive to me, because now you have a crime problem that you have to arrest, no pun intended, and a lot of money ends up going into this.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Remember I was talking a few episodes ago about Jack Warner saying if you invest the same amount of money in football, you could reduce the investment in in crime fighting or crime detection.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: But anyway, from gregory mcburnian in newsday here in bird cars, guns, boats and drones to fight crime, despite a murder told as on track to surpass last last year's figure.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: And outside of covid, well, outside of the great guy Griffith, right, you know what I mean.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Outside of the great guy Griffith being Polite Commissioner of Police Crime.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: Typically, murder in particular tends to surpass the year before every year.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Despite the murder toll as it attracted surpassed last year's figure.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: The Ministry of National Security will have to make do with 800 million less this year.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Delivering the 2024-2025 budget presentation september 30th, finance minister colman but said the ministry will be given 6.1 billion in his budget presentation last year, but said that he was disturbed by the untenable level of murders, before announcing the allocation of 6.9 billion, despite the reduction in both.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Said the government is acutely aware of the challenges posed by crime.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: It affects every single person in our nation.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: It erodes the sense of security in our homes, our schools, our workplaces.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: It impedes the growth of our communities and the potential of our young people.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: We understand that behind every statistic is a person.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: A minister of health, oh, sorry.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: A person.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: A family, a community that deserves to feel safe.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: A minister of health oh sorry, a person, a family, a community that deserves to feel safe.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: This year's reduced figure will be used to acquire new body cameras, guns, bulletproof vests, speed guns and cars for the police Cars, by the way, that saluted training driver 47 who has followed on some socials and he's showing, over the last month or so, some of the most ridiculous car accidents with police cars right, I'm not sure if.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Anyway, he said the police's approach to reducing crime will be multifaceted and driven by a commitment to both immediate and long-term solutions.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: He both said, among other initiatives, there's a plan to deliver 2,000 new cars to the police service over the next three years, with 500 vehicles expected in the first phase.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: I always wonder about this budget.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Right, when you say things like this you budget this year catering for the 2000 cars, or are you just budgeting for 500 this year and that's what was next year, and 500 a year after that, when only probably it would be there?
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: You know the breakdowns of the budget isn't me being lazy, I just go and ask for the breakdown.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: That don't provide a proper breakdown.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: So look to Asher Javid, top business writer in the country as well, and I heard Asher say something, or sort of say something, on Facebook, where one of the things that we would like to see is a breakdown or a rationale behind the decision making in the budget.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: I think, more than any one like mechanism or tool that they want to invest in or allocation that was given.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: That is one of the most important things help the citizenry to understand what, what, what, what the economists used to call scarcity and choice.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: It's one of the first things you learn when you go to econ class.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: One of the first thing is learn is that human beings are greedy, rational, right, what they call homo economicus, rational human being.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: But we greedy and we want to call it ambition, whatever you want to call it we tend to be.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: We tend to be satisfied with gains for a short period of time and then we get bored with it and we want more gains, right?
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: So if you get a salary increase, like you get a minimum wage increase by two dollars, you tend to find that within the first three months you might feel good when it first hit and then, but when you get used to it, your tendency is to want to make more.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Whether you make more by getting a second job or by negotiating or going to protests and them kind of thing, you tend to want more.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Human beings are insatiable, unsatisfiable.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: We always want more and more and more.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: But the issue is that we have limited resources.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: You don't, resources being your money, your time and your effort, like your energy yeah, all of them limited, all of it.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: But, like I tell you, the energy very, very limited past a certain point.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: If you're young and you're listening to this, enjoy it.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Don't listen people enjoy it.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Let's go fast, right, but your resources are finite.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: So you have a situation where you have infinite wants and needs and desires.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: It don't matter if you want to call it once only.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: All you want are infinite and your resources are limited.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: And that's a micro situation.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Right, that's just me and you.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: The same could be said for business or country or entity.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter the desires of the country.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: So we want to see.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: I want to see proper infrastructure throughout the country.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: I want to walk through tongue and feel proud and see buildings that people stopping and taking picture of in tongue.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: I want to.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: I want tongue to look like how it's look like when I travel on the pavement cleaner.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: I want, I just want to look like how it always looked like when I travel.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: I want the pavement cleaner.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: I just want an even surface.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Sometimes it doesn't even have to be clean, just an even surface.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Don't let it be high and low and if you had to step down in a drain, your knee hot in here.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: You know when you're traveling, you see, you wonder who manicured this pavement.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: So why are we?
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Pavement is how to be looking like that.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: We want smooth roads, you understand.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: We want all these different things.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: I want good services, free education for everybody, free tertiary education.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: I went recently zachary in school of a library class.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know, library was not class when I was in school.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: But one of the things I feel good about is the teleadigan library card.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: I didn't feel good about the process of having to go into a library and apply for the card.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: I find them.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Things could be done online now.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: But the nice thing is that nalis is in charge of the school library, so there's some integration across the border to salute that right.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: I like that.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: I remember all time in the library you're going library libraries, a whole separate entity from the school.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: So I think it only bodes well if nalis is a part of the school system already.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: So they run in the libraries and in all the schools.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: So we want all these nice things.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: I want digitization.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Fatima is a school of smart boards in every classroom.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: I find every school in the country should other, I find the should have all sports.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: We had to talk a little bit about steel panning schools too.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Right, remind me to talk about that before we get out of here.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: But if you had a steel pan schools, we need budget for that too.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: All that, all them things go cost money, right?
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: So when?
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: When you look at that unlimited I could call it a wishlist I just want more and more and more and more.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: There's an issue there when the resources you cannot have all those things.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: So what you see in facebook comments is like what I just described is a wish list of things that everybody find trinidad and tebago should have and should get and all those different kind of things, right.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: And we, what we want is utopia.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: We want a perfect world where it had no crime and everybody making loud money and the government will take no tax on.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: You know that's, that's what we're looking for in our budget.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: But the truth about the word budget itself tends to show the connotation of restraint.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: You know restraint so that you make the best of your finite resources.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: So when I saw Asha ask for that, I said you know that makes more sense than these numbers they throw there, because the average person like myself cannot distinguish between 6.1 billion going in police and 6.9 billion in the police.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: It and I, I read a little bit, I get a little bit ahead, you get lucky enough to learn a few things and that figure does not help me at all.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: I do not know if that is good, bad, sufficient, indifferent.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, and let's tell the truth, especially the bright ones listening to this.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: You don't know what it is and let's tell the truth, especially the bright ones listening to this.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: You don't know neither.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: Forget Ernst Young and Pricewaterhouse and them coming and what that's going to say.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: That does not say anything because it doesn't give us context.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: 5,000 new vehicles or 2,000 new vehicles to add to what stock?
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: What vehicles it have there now?
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: How much of them good, how much of them breaking?
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Now we don't know what.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: I mean that.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: That is thing when he is coming on political platform and you say that and everybody beating this.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: I don't mean that budget doesn't mean anything.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: What would be more meaningful is what astra suggesting, where we could sit down and say, well, all right, we had 60 billion dollars, right, all the plans we have from now.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: Wish list for what the police should look like, including more police.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: We are traffic warden, we need a new commissioner.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: All the things to what the police should look like, including more police.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: We have traffic warden, we need a new commissioner.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: All the things to run the police service.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: Now, this costs me $500 million a month, right, which would be a whole $6 billion for the year.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: So we can't do nothing else.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: Sorry, we don't have a cent.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: And if you do that, if you do that for your whole 60 billion, and you say, well, all right, of these utopia things, what are the things you know?
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: In business we like to say low-hanging fruit, what are the things we could fix now?
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: What are the things we could fix cheap, what are the things you know.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: If you look at those things, you could start to prioritize your wish list now and say, all right, these are all our plans, but what we're going to do this year with this amount of money that we have is X, y, z, that make sense.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: I find it make plenty more sense.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: And then talk to me about how the countries make money too, how the money coming in, where the $60 billion come from, what is generated in this?
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: We could talk about that.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: So we could kill that sort of old talk about the tax thing.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: And you're going to rent a taxi about that, so we could kill that sort of old talk about the tax thing and you can win the taxi and the property tax.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: I don't like to pay tax, neither, I don't know.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I love to pay tax, I love it.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Duty to the country and so on.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Right, I want.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: I like when they take 25 of my money but show the nation what the budget, what the income of the country comes from and how much of it is tax dollars, how much of it is giving people ticket, because people seem to think that the pnm is giving tickets.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: That's how they develop in the national wealth.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: We should show some of these figures sometimes.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: I remember being in lockjack one time and looking at a gross national income figure for trinidad and tobago, right, and when they show the figure with and without oil and gas, it looked like we wasn't doing nothing.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: One bad chart high, so the next one low.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: I say well boy, we in real trouble If oil and gas go.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: We clearly in a bit of a mess.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: Why else have many budgets?
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Why else was it the standout things?
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: Before I reached Tobago, which I find they had a couple of interesting out things.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: Before I reached tobago, which I find they had a couple of a couple of interesting plans for tobago, I saw they say e-passports, online embarking, disembarking forms coming soon.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: Sometimes, when they announce these things is make us sound so archaic and rudimentary.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, you know you, you'd want if I, if I present in our budget some of these things me are talking about.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: You know, I talk about thing we're really going on advancing country, but reading from uh, narissa fraser, finance minister call member, says they will soon be shorter wait times for those traveling to and from trinidad and tobago, as e-passports as well as online disembarking and embarking forms will soon be implemented.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: This, he said, will assist with tourism.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: He announced during the budget presentation that an e-passport, also called a biometric passport, has an embedded microchip which has biometric data in both, and cabinet authorized the ministry of national security's immigration division to movereadable passports to e-passports.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: This fosters numerous benefits, including enhancing security through embedded electronic chips that store personal information and biometric data, making them difficult to forge.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Is it?
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: He said this will be difficult to forge until you have a cyber attack.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: He said this will keep TNT in sync with the rest of the world in sync, right as e-passports are globally recognized.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: It will result in faster processing time at airports via automated border control gates and significantly reduced wait times.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: He added that e-passports are more durable and can feature updatable security measures.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: Converting will streamline travel while providing greater peace of mind regarding security.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: So this is the thing, right.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Sometimes we talk about these things as if it's so modern and futuristic.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: This, this, this is being done.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: I want you also like google jamaica immigration system and see what they have done and the advancements they have made.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: I want to remember you so feel like when you're here and you're reading articles like these and you listen to dale and tony every morning no knock on them.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: But you used to get to feel like, if trinidad is this great place that's so advanced and the rest of the caribbean backward, you know, I don't know if I was the only one who grew up with that, so I used to feel like if maybe the whole chicken curry versus curry chicken it makes me sound like we're brides and we are something that somebody else don't have Until I went to Jamaica and see how efficiently their tax system is run, how simply they're so integrated.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: They're so integrated on where the vehicle registration number is concerned, your license number, your tax number, all those things is one integrated platform and system.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: And I was in jamaica 20 years ago, close to 20, maybe 15, 16, 17 years ago and we know talking about a revenue authority as if it's this big advancement or I don't know, boy, sometimes it's really make a song, okay, something I want to echo from the chamber here.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: Uh, or let me go to tobago first in bird.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: Government to build a five-star hotel in buku.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: No, I get nervous every time I see the term government to build, right, you see, government to build.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: That is not a great combination of words, if you ask me for me, government to build, government to build, government should not be building anything, right, I don't care if it being channeled through one of the government aligned agencies or the I don't know what it's called these things.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: These things should be left for the private sector.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: This is my stance.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: It has always been my stance.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: You see, public and merit goods, things that there's no profit motive.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: The government should probably build that.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: Put streetlights on things.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: Nobody can profit off of streetlights so no firm would want to build it.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: Take all these 60 billion and put streetlights all through All.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: My streets here are dark like hell.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: You can put two here.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: But when you say the government to build it, take all the 60 billion and put streetlights all through the car my street here, dark like hell.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: You can put two here.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: But when you say the government to build a hotel to boost our tour, I don't think that is a good idea at all.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: Government must put infrastructure in place.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: If you want to build a hotel zone like when I see cancun, right, and forgive me if I'm wrong.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: Right, but a little bit.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: I read about cancun.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: The whole hotel zone is heavy cartel money going into that, you know.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: I mean plenty of chapel dollars and things went into building there.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: But if you say you want to build a hotel zone, let me say you take some miles at the north side of tobago and you say, all right, everywhere between plymouth and straight, all the way on that coastline, all the way to the englishman bay.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: There we going and put proper roads and proper infrastructure and put man-made beaches and proper port for ship to come.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: That is the role of government.
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: The role of government is to govern, to facilitate.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: The role of government is not to build no five-star hotel.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: The government is inefficient.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: Use the Brian Lara Stadium as an example of that.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: Use the Pereira, build up a whole set of HDC houses and then you have to pull out of that and so on.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: It is not the best way to do it.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: If the government lay the plan for it, they go to private sector now or they go to the UD Cuts or the Will and the Civil Rights.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: What we need is this amount of road, this amount of thing, this amount of water, this amount of thing, this amount of water, how to move from here to here, how to get in from here to here, electricity, how to come in.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: Do that kind of work and then invite, because the invitation and the bid they did for sandals, that was a grave mistake in this country.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: Grave mistake.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: We get so caught up with the opposition versus party and power politics that sometimes neither side can see what is better meant to the country.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: It's just to oppose whatever it is happening.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: But let me read Finance Minister Colman Burt says the government intends to construct a five-star hotel on the Buko Estate Tobago in 2025 as one of its strategies to boost economic development on the island.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: He made the announcement in September that Inbert said.
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: Constructionally, hilton is among several special projects the government is hoping to embark on next year.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: He said tourism is one of the focuses of the government as it eyes growth via non-energy sectors.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: These projects include projects to generate some much-needed revenue, create new jobs, divest state assets that are better managed by private sector.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: So in the midst of saying they're going to build one, he's saying one of the projects is to divest state assets.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: You'll come to that right.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: Encouraged foreign direct investment and local investment, especially in the tourism sector.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: On the proposed hotel development, inbird said there will be a request for proposals to develop a new five-star, internationally branded resort hotel on the government-owned Buku Estate in Tobago.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: This project is expected to be in the scale of the previously proposed Sandals Hotel and, if successful, will bring tremendous economic benefit to the people of Tobago of tobago.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: In january 2019, sandals resort uh decided against construction in other of a resort in tobago owing to negative publicity in some quarters.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: Several stakeholders on the island criticized the project, including its proposed location.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: As a memorandum of understanding sign between sandals and the government his budget presentation in, but also announced the divestment of magdalena grand beach and Golf Resort in Lowlands.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: We intend to offer the Magdalena Hotel for sale or lease.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: So this is the issue, right.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: International hotel chains, the big boys like the Hiltons of this world, the Hyatts of this world, the Marriotts of this world and stuff, right, they operate in a way that is not much different from the KFCs and the Starbucks and the Pizza Huts and them that we like so much.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: I saw Prestige Holdings this week say they make a billion dollars in the first three quarters.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: That is a lot of my money, a lot of my money in, in in venti hot chocolate and and and double smoked bacon and misto to all and vanilla, all that thing, when I tell my billion, billions.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: But the, the international hotel chains, the large ones, don't operate much different from those, uh, fast food franchises.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: The way the fast food franchises work is they're selling two things they're selling what you call a brand and an operating system.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: So KFC obviously have a big brand name that anywhere they open a KFC they will have customers the day they open it.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: But the obvious part of what a franchise is selling you, or what you're buying into from a franchise is the brand.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: The second part that people might not see as easily is the operating system.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: The operating system tells you how to fry the chicken, where to buy it from, where to store it from, what recipe to use, how to hire the people, how often to clean, what kind of cleaning products to get, what kind of bread you will need to buy.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: So when you have that right, when you start a business, you have a thing called a learning curve.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: Right, when you start a business, you're starting at the highest point you will ever be on the learning curve and a part of it is you just don't know.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: So when you start to operate and you operate for long enough you start to learn the business and you start to go lower down the learning curve.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: The lower you are on that learning curve is lower your cost structure, because it's costing you less.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: The mistakes are costly when you're high up on the learning curve right.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: So when you start to get low on the learning curve, now you're moving faster, you're making less mistakes, you could be more aggressive with less consequences.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: So you have a less risky business when you're low down on the learning curve, a big part of the reason that many, many enterprises, or small enterprises in particular, fail is because they never get off that steep part of the learning curve.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: They quit before they get there or they run out of money or whatsoever it might be.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: So when you're buying to a franchise, you are getting it an express ticket to the lowest point on the experience curve.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: You're going to the lowest point on that learning curve or that experience curve because somebody done had the experience and they're going to hand you it.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: I remember when they opened chucky cheese here I believe they did the same thing with cinnabon when they opened the first branch they send the people who you hire here.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: Let me say you hire a branch manager, a marketing manager, operations manager.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: You hire cashers, you hire baristas, whatever you might have for the thing right, and and chucky cheese might have hired people to fix gaming system, to sell token.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: Chucky cheese had sent a person or experienced person in every position.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: Let me say you had 30 people to run the restaurant.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: Them sent 30 people from foreign who work in chucky cheese abroad in similar markets like these.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: They send them here and they work alongside each employee.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: I wanted to think about your job right now.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: What would happen if they had put you there with somebody who did this for many, many years before, like george carter, you know.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: They put you there as george carter and he tell you everything he know about parangale lyrics, get a chord structure, how to set up a stage, where to put mic, how to sing.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: If you get something like that, anyone over here to be faster to the point we had now, if we didn't have to go through the experiences ourselves, we learn right.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: So chucky cheese and them giving you all that.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: Now the kicker is that it is at your expense.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: So all them flight and hotel room for the maintenance man to come and work here alongside your local maintenance man you are going to pay for.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: So the the ticket to the lowest point on the learning curve.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: It's free.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: All of it will come out of your pocket.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: But what they're giving you is a better chance of success because while your cost structure is higher remember your brand strong, so your revenue is gonna be strong too.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: So your revenue is not like the average person who now starts in a business.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: When you buy into a franchise, your revenues.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: I remember when they opened Wendy's or Starbucks, for instance, the place full the day you opened it.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: I want you to go and open Corey's Coffee somewhere.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: When you open Corey Coffee, nobody ain't come in there but Corey.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: It just don't work.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: So so when you see hilton and them operating, what they're looking for is somebody to pay for all that.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: You see, they say many chuck e cheese people here.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: You have to build the building, you have to buy all the games from them, you have to buy all the other point of sale system, all them other things from them you have to buy.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: They had to pay their architect.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: You can't get only an architect.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: What you're not gonna do is mess up the brand for everybody else in the world.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: So you're going to get their architect to build out, to map out everything.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: They will have to approve the construction company you use if they don't send one themselves.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: So everything is at your expense to start up the business.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: So this is why the government is getting to some of these arrangements, cause you see that Hyatt, the government built that.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: You see that Hilton, that that same Magdalena they talking about the garment built that the Hilton.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: And, wrongly, savannah, the upside down one, the garment built that because all the expenses is always as taxpayers.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: And then what, what?
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: What Hilton coming to do is come and slap something saying Hilton, conference and center and ta, ta, ta, ta, ta ta, and put the marketing behind it.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: So when a man go travel the city now and he don't know where's Trinidad, but they sent him there for a meeting because he had to go and fix Chuck E, cheese and them thing and be side by side with somebody, when he going to look for hotel to stay right on October 1st, he going and look at hotel on Expedia and he see Alicia's Guesthouse, he see Double Palm.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: They look very reasonable.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: He see what do you want name on the main road in the east, again Marianne.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: When he see Marianne he say but they look nice, the price very reasonable on these things.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: When he see these things he saying well, this place sounding all dodgy.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: But when you scroll further down and you see hilton, trinidad and tobago conference what money spending what he, what he could I get, what he could I get from, from, why here, right from, why here he could I get a hotel here from?
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: was he 40 us a night the bedding will be so sturdy, you might hear some strange noises and so on.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: You know you might be in the city center and all these things.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: You can get a fast loss 40 a night.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: But when they say Hilton Trinidad Conference, you're getting that for 200, 300 US a night 10 times the price of what you could pay for the cheapest hotel here.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: But because you know the brand name and you custom taste, you have a certain amount of trust and leverage, equity and all the things that come along with that.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: So you are going to go and stay in hilton, like most other people will, so at a higher price.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: Them fellas have a higher level of occupancy than me and you who open cory's guest house bed, bath and beyond.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: All we get is the beyond.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: Not a cent.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: Nobody, ain, nobody in committee.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: Stay by me.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: So there's I'm not saying that the Hilton or the Hyatt or the Radisson or whosoever these Hampton and what you serve here.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: Again, holiday and them things is not bad ideas.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: I think the bad idea is that the government themselves signs the franchise contract.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: I suppose a part of the issue locally here is that you don't.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's true either.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: I suppose a part of the issue locally here is that you I don't know if it's true either, but you don't have a private sector that's strong enough to go and make their own bid, because you go to other countries.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: For instance, the man who owned the marriott in downtown miami.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: His regular investors come together and them realize, marriott downtown miami bound to make money.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: And if people are hired opposite, so they're investing in these things, investing in the high-rise buildings they build in the city themselves through private enterprise.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: The state is not a place where the government of Miami what is the government of Miami, whoever in charge of Florida going to build no hotel?
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: It's not going to happen.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: Not going to happen, not with taxpayers' dollars.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: So the hope is that taxpayers' dollars will go into the whatever he's going to bill in Buko, because when he bills it and assuming they bill it efficiently, which is a ridiculous assumption they will get a deal right.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: One of the big boys is going to sign a deal.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: He hires the Marriott on them, somebody will put a name on it and when they put a name on it, the revenues will come in.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: So it might not be billed most efficiently.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: You know, somebody could do it for a billion dollars.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: We might build it for five because the government and then when they start to operate now and it's time for us to collect our money, the chances of us maximizing profit, even though the revenues high in them places, is also low because the government inefficiencies they're going to put government or state agencies to run the hotel when he done bill it in buku and they will be struggling to turn a profit, struggling when, as a private investor, one or two things going to happen.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: Number one if you go and put your money into that, you're going to build it fast and you're going to build it efficiently because your goal is to get the revenue a sap.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: You want to get the revenue now.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: You don.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: You want to get to revenue now.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: You don't want to play around and have money outside and you can't get no money.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: You have no chance of revenue.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: We used to call a product life cycle or project life cycle.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: It's at a stage where you're below zero, you're only spending money and you have no chance to make money because the hotel isn't finished yet.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: Private sector not playing them games.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: Secondly, private sector will take the decisions that are needed if there's any threat to profitability when the hotels start to run.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: So when the men start to operate, are hired and they realize the cost to operate this thing so high because this one in hired earning this and it's a wastage in the kitchen and this thing disappearing, private sector will play them kind of game.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: So I wish, I wish we could get to the point where the government facilitates decisions like these and does not make decisions like these.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: Because if I am to go as a private investor to open my hotel in buku, I I know what buku look like, right?
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: So forgive me, actually I know what buku look like, but the untouched part of buku we don't know how they look, right.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: So if you leave me to do that and I had to cut down forest, I had to cut side mountain, I had to build the road, I had to put in the infrastructure, I had to do the drainage, do the sewage, do the.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: How I go make money, I will never see the day where I could start to make a dollar from this thing, right, it's just too expensive for me to do.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: But if you take from buku straight across the englishman bay and you deforest or whatever needs to be done, do it responsibly, right cut with side mountain putting and if you know, for instance, an international hotel with a thousand room, this take about 200 acre land.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: Everything I saw in seven very ignorant because me know nothing about these things.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: But if you're not taking 100 acre land and you have 20 of them parcel from.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: So you parcel it out and you say right, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, there's your road, make it beautiful, make it plenty coastline, and then go and sit down.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: Now, even in advance, you could go and sit down with ryu and grand bahia and sandal and hilton and whoever else does do this kind of thing grandpa, lady, I'm gonna name again.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: I sit down with him and I say, listen, I 20 of these lots have done develop already.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: I start here this is what the thing will look like.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, show the beautification thing.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: You know the architect and thing like to show you how thing will look nice when it's finished.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: Nothing like it when it's done.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: But call in the best people, put it in place, present to these people and let them bid to come here and let them let Massey take one and say, well, all right, massey and them have enough money If them men could see return ROI.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: So, brother and them gone, right, so it's no more white press and black press and things.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: Them go take one and Samarkal go take one.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: Let them, fellas and them go and take the risk of doing that, because if they take any risk of doing it they have to sort out how they will be profitable and things.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: Do my part For my part and my taxpayers' dollars.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: Now I just want a little lease arrangement, right, government, you see them kind of arrangement.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: Think of it like a government bond.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: I want to go into low risk, low return thing with taxpayer dollars.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: I want to go and build.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: So you, in the same statement where you're saying you had to sell magdalena grand, which, if you remember right, was hilton and rotten down, and then it was magdalena grand rotten down and now you're gonna get somebody else to lease it from a state and they had to do something about it.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: In the same statement he's saying that this way you're gonna do again later on in that statement the man said well, boy, the petrochrome, after a hundred years they're looking for private sector investment.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: They had no right for the government to own that in the first place.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: The government greatest thing is bill point leases if you like to build industry, if you identify tourism as an industry that we need to get into.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: What we need to be thinking about is what is the point?
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: Leases of tourism right.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: Where's the point?
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: Leases of the tourism sector where we could fix it out?
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: Fix that and and give it to people to run?
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: Right, don't try to run it yourself.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: Run it into the ground.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: It's not going to work.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: We don't be paying to learn what we don't know already.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: I guarantee you guaranteed money.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: Whatever the bill in Buku there will be run down and faster than a normal hotel is run down and Faster than a normal hotel is run down.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: And then you will see a change name from this one to that one, to this one to that one.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: Let them figure that out.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: It's not so.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: Gavin Nichols and them do what they have to do.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: But again, we don't really like private sector here.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: We feel anything that the private sector do is bubble and corruption and so on.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: We don't really like it to be private sector.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: Just my two cents.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: But of course Tobago says it's an empty, lengthy budget to oppress tobago.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: Ths secretary finance, uh, finance petal and roberts has described the budget presentation of finance minister, calling members, as empty and lengthy.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: Roberts was speaking at a media conference.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: I wanted you to know that I was going to make a joke and say something there.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: I've matured, right?
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: I didn't say anything about Ms Roberts, right?
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: Roberts was speaking at a media conference on September 30th, approximately 30 minutes after Inbert spent 5 hours and 15 minutes to deliver a budget.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: Inbert said the THA will receive $2.5 billion well short of the nearly $4 million it had requested.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: However, inbert said the current THA administration has been receiving greater funding than its PNM predecessors.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: He said 2.3 billion has been allocated for recurrence expensive, 2 million for its development program expenditure and 18 million for URP and 9.2 for CPAP.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that thing's still happening.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: He added.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: The total allocation for Tobago in 2025 represents an increase of $22.7 million over the allocation of $2.5 billion in 2024.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: But Roberts described the budget as fiscal wickedness and oppressive to Tobago.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: Today's presentation was very disappointing, but not surprising.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: It was a slap in the face for Tobagonians.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: It was empty and lengthy, very oppressive, regressive and a hopeless presentation for Tobago.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: I think the intent was to inflict hardship on the Tobago economy.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: Let me clap that before they inflict hardship on me.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: I think the intent was to inflict hardship on the Tobago economy and stymie the growth of Tobago's potential.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: She said the THA will have to rework its plans and programs to suit the budget.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: So she also denied that Tobago received its largest budget.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: It's not the largest budget.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: I think what the minister did is try to play smart with foolishness and exclude the $50 million that he gave under recurrent expenditure for the oil spill and therefore we have received $27 million less than last fiscal, which ends the night.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: She said Tobago's development will be stunted owing to the lower, owing to the lower than expected budget.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: We have also seen a slasher 21% in our development program.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: Tobago, 205 million can't sustain you.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: 205 million cannot build Tobago economy, cannot enhance infrastructure in Tobago.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: She said Tobago has approximately 370 ongoing projects which would be affected by national funding.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: If it's ongoing projects, why does he have to hear the budget?
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: Anyway, robert said THA will be impressing upon central government to release its funds in accordance with 47.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: So she was she money now, but it's not enough.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: Right, keeping in mind that the from a political standpoint right, the honorable right, kamala, will be doing her budget rebuttal on Friday, what are you expecting to say about the budget?
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: I think at this point the opposition could write its budget speech before the budget read, for two reasons.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: Number one we don't know what you're going to come and say.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: Right, you're not going to say nothing good.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: Number two the government tends not to say anything special, so you can write it in advance, and just you know what I mean.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: Put that down, matter of fact.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: When you win an election, you should write five budget, and if you lose an election, you should write five budget, and if you lost the election, you should write five rebuttal.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: I don't think anything different happening on the other and the th is about the same.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: Th is pretty much in the same boat because at this point in time, with farley and his party controlling the th is in their best interest to say pnm was oppressive to them and so on, and make it a political thing rather than a government thing.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: But I do feel like tobago genuinely tobago, and tobagonians genuinely anyone who part of that the.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: The narrative there is about secession and moving on and governing themselves.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: So it is in the best interest of people who already feel that way not saying that they're making up anything, but it's in their best interest to paint it to their voters or their population that, hey, we really asked for.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: So, in other words, if I know I could run the country on three billion, it's better if I ask for 10 from a political standpoint, ask for a monk that you can't get, and then, when you don't get it, go back and tell everybody look they short change we, because they're trying to, and then drum up more and more support for the idea of cessation.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: And moving on to your own governance.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: Let's.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: Salute to Fali, you'll figure it out.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: Salute to Mr Robert.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: Mr Robert said lengthy and empty.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: That's how you say it.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: You know the chamber, of course.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: The CC chamber said effective implementation of the budget critical.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: I think what the Chamber was talking about here is really identifying that it doesn't matter what plans you put in place If, when it's time, well, two things really.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: When it's time to implement or execute, the plan's not being implemented or executed, and then when, when we look at what was done, like when we look at the year in review, there's nobody really coming to spend time with us to tell us well, all right, you remember when we say and I'm blaming that on myself too, as the, as the electorate, electors and illiterate might be close together for a reason, but we don't look back and remember some of these things.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: Either we say, wait now.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: So you say you have to buy 2 000 car and 500 of them supposed to come this year, and you say the 500 would have cost 6 million.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: And what happened with that?
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: What we do, we get the 500 where the 500 are located.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: How much police station?
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: Now we just move on to this and they say 500 car and we don don't ask like how much of them was disposed of?
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: How much of it does it increase our current vehicle stock?
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: How much vehicles do we really need for police service to be able to respond efficiently?
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: Do we need 20 for every police station or we need 100?
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: How far are we from?
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: We don't really hold them to them kind of standards.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: So I agree with the chamber chamber 100.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: When they say it comes to the, the implementation, all you hear is an archive.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: So to play, no, I can't.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: So to play, I'm done, I'm tired as I talk about that budget, something, and that budget is draining my soul.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: A matter of fact, the whole political, the whole political topic, this brain drain my soul a little bit.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: Only only had to forgive me, so I I had a fine, had to find a song to play now Just to cleanse the place a little bit.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: It's Calypso man, right?
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: Only can have vex with me for playing Calypso, right, but I had to go to a song here.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: That Again, that idea that, because I mean this is my how much ever time, 197 episodes and doing this budget review and nothing to really change, and I think I don't know if it's like I expecting it to change or hoping that to change anything, but when you listen to the budget, the response you could, you could predict the response from the opposition, from the pnm supporters, from the vloggers who support the pnm versus the kick out the pnm, the vloggers who support the PNM versus the kick-out the PNM people.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: You can expect that some people will be outside the parliament protesting before the budget come and they're going to stay there the whole day until the budget is done.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: You can figure out what Khadija Amin is going to say and what Saddam Hussein is going to say and you can figure out what the Al-Singh and them are going to say, sing, and then we'll say it's so repetitive that sometimes I just had to wonder if there's something wrong with me.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: I jump the wall about twelve o'clock and I I go on inside, stand up there and the people's fat, may I open wide.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 5: Everybody inside.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: They like they, they fat and hard.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 5: But when I watch out their faces, mama yo, like they going mad.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 5: It must be the budget that demands a white-holed greed, cause all of them inside are dead like the suck a crazy seed.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 5: That kind of hair couldn't come from weed.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: This is not a fete in here, this is madness.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: This is not the kind of jam where you stop like a chupidi begging for mercy.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: This is not a fete in here, this is madness.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: Everybody mad.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 5: We're going.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 5: Where we going?
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 5: Why we going there?
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: We're mad, we're all at hand.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: We're mad, we mad, we all like mad, same time, same time.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: We mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we all like mad, same time, same time.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 5: If you see the glasses thing, the one who does, like me, drunk, the same one who used to walk the road like she can't touch the ground Since she lost, she takes the co-op.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: If you see the child Getting on kind of wild, like wassy, like wassy, going out of style From hood on the head and bald, how she feeling shame how she have about 12 GC and she went to Holy Name Same time her ex-tude man Pass and gone with the dame Cause.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: This is not a fit in here.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 5: This is madness.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: This is not a fet in here.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 5: This is madness.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 5: This is not the kind of jam where you stout like a mumu.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: The rhythm go, jam you.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 5: This is not a fet in here.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: This is madness.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 5: Ay-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi, everybody mad, ay-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: Where we going?
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 5: Where we going?
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 5: Where we going?
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: Why we going there?
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: Liman, liman, liman, liman, liman, liman, liman, liman, liman, liman, liman.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: Where we going?
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: Why we going there?
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: Liman, liman, liman, liman, liman, liman, liman, liman, liman, liman, liman.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: It's our big French Creole one.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: They just call him Pierre.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 5: He went the hot dog down with somebody half a beer.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 5: Then he snatch up the pepper sauce.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 5: Mama.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: He drinking that Start to cuss out the barman saying how did beer so flat?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 5: It was Wednesday morning demand this place close down.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: So when you check out the fellow position you can't get him wrong.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: He and an ex-union man Hug up singing the song.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: Hear them.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: This is not a bet in here.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: This is madness.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: This is not the kind of jam when you start like a mumu.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: The rhythm go, jam you.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 5: This is not a bet in here.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: This is madness.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: Ay-ting here, this is madness, ay-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: Everybody mad, ay-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: Where we going To Sintra?
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 5: Where we going To Sintra?
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 5: Where we going To Sintra?
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 5: Why we going there?
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 5: We, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: We.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: The police force, a strange woman named Justation Jean, no, mama guy.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: She shout out.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: If they feel it, they play the over.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 5: Well, tell them.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 5: We say they lie.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 5: It was six o'clock in the morning.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 5: Sun, don't start to shine.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 5: They shout Union Mountain until the tactical shoot me while they whine.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: My comrades, we not living here until half past nine.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: This is not a fete in here.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: This is madness.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 5: This is just the kind of job we'll be in trouble if you not a rebel.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 5: This is not a fete in here, this is madness.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: Ayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayay.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: Everybody mad.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 5: Where we going, where we going, where we going?
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 5: Why we going there?
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: We mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad, we mad we.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: I feel like if it's not me alone, right, because we just do the same thing every year, from JW in the morning straight down to wherever it's the last show on TV 6 or TTT.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: They just do it every year.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: Big Pricewaterhouse, they do a budget assessment with our rating every year.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: All of we, every WhatsApp group, just send you.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: Well, this is what they, every whatsapp group, to send you.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: Well, this is what they do.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: This is what they do.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: This is what I fed up explaining that whole idea of increasing minimum wage without increasing anything about productivity in the country, and I'm feeling like if we had a point nowhere.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: One of the things we had to start to assess we good at assessing where's the murder rate and thing or the murder toll, according to steven williams.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: Right, we good at assessing these things and looking at the statistics and seeing what's what and all them thing.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: But one of the things that we had to start to pay attention to in this country as I close off this episode right, we had to start to pay attention to the rate at which the citizens who could make the biggest difference in this country, people like george carter we must look at the rate at which they stay.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: How much people willing to stay here and dedicate their lives to making trinidad and tobago a better place, or just making their interaction with people in trinidad better and spreading that, you know I mean, like a pebble in the water and they spread the good energy throughout the country as a whole?
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: How much people still willing to stay and work till retirement, like george carter in the school system?
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: How much people?
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: How much people feel willing to do that?
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: So I feel like, instead of checking where's the murder total, the murder rate, we had to start to check where's the migration rate of qualified, like the good citizen that sparrow talk about, not the one that's part of the body, real good citizen, right, the real good citizen.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: How much of us willing to stay?
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: Because I watching a video going wrong just before I started recording, going by starlight pharmacy in in marvel where man, older man, went in the car.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: He don't put your wife in the car ready, or your wife must.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: He was waiting in the car and he going in the car and a car park.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: He's an empty space next to him and then a car park in in the space next to that and as he opened me from, no man run out with gun he had to take out.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: He thinks how, the car wife looking like she's just grabbing handbag and whatnot, and that's it, that's your day now.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: You went in starlight to get a little medication, a little food or whatever you went to get.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: And your way home on a regular monday night with the budget read, you going home to see, well, all right, you get.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: Your see.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: Well, what him birth say, how the pension going up, whatever this man was going to do, his night change and his life change after going through something like that.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: So, instead of you know the murder toll and them thing, them thing.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: Good to look at, you know, but we must continue to look at how much of the best and brightest and how much of the George Carters deciding that they want to leave here.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: Because you see, the people who are in charge, right when the hammer falls they may hesitate to ride out.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: They're setting up their life in a way, like Roda captured perfectly here them setting up their life in a way so that they could get out of here when things get bad.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: Them rich Trinidadians show me this whole Eldorado thing.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 5: They here living like lords, but they don't live like kings.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 5: As they get a little money in their pocket they hide in the Kakada and when you miss them, scamp and them they're somewhere in Panama.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: Aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, going to Panama.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 5: I got to go to Panama.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: Mama, what it is they have over there Making three leaders come clear.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 5: Some say that they come with thousands.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 5: Some call me Comtensa Thousands.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 5: I hear the tension Billions.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 5: I put the tension Billions.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: I don't like old dogs, so I take in a walk.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: Look at us by two-duty rum.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 5: Partner stamp my passport dogs, so I take in a walk.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: Look at that bike.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: 2d theorem Partner stamp in my spot.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 5: Man, I'm higher, I come.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: Some say that they got a thousand.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 5: Some say they got a thousand.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 5: I hear they mention million.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 5: I know they mention million.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 5: They had a big Chinese gentleman who I don't know his name.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: They say he was a big businessman and racing was his game.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: They even call him some kind of ambassador.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 5: I really don't know, but in this papi show land nearly everything is a papi show.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 5: They say he had a riding partner, the oldest partner he was.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 5: I had to finish the movie long when I'm reaching the next verse, but we were ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, Going to Panama.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 5: I got to go to Panama.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 5: Mama, what it is they have over there.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 5: They think you need just come clear.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 5: Some say that they gone with Thousand.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: Some say that they spend Thousand.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 5: They talking about it Billion.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 5: I don't like old dog, I take it in a walk.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 5: All your toast boy, tell me to get Panama, here I come.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 5: Thousand, oh, thousand, billion, here I come.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 5: They used to call him a hero, now they say he's a son of a gun.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 5: They say before they could a holler John DO.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 5: How did Bella run?
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 5: How his life was white like the river.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 5: Mama need a chip, chip, but just so the young man.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 5: Make a turn about and take this man on a trip.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 5: How he set up a halfway house in Miami and Canada.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 5: He look left and right, left and right.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 5: Now they're forcing to Panama.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 5: Ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay Going to Panama.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 5: I got to go to Panama.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 5: Mama, what it is they have over there.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 5: They intrude it just gone clear.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 5: Some say that they're going thousands.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 5: Some say that they steal some thousands, they.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: Some say that it's three thousand.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 5: They're talking about a billion.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 5: They're talking about what?
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: A billion?
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: I don't like old talk.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 5: You see, old talk Does that strip up my little head, fine.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 5: So, lee Sing and all your, warm up that DC night.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: Warm it up, man.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: Warm up DC night Like a wonderful fire.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know much Lee Sing is talking about, but I remember Lee Sing was in charge of BW, bw long before Caribbean Airlines.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: As we wrap up here, I want to talk about it Before I go.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: Hammondburn Medal Award.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: He calls for Steel Pan to replace the recorder at schools.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: Juvion Stott, one of the greatest in panorama history, hammondburn Medal Silver Award, he, as musical director, the BP Ren Renegades Orchestra, said he believes that the country has to make some changes.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: He expressed consternation that some schools still taught the recorder rather than the steel pan in the music curriculum at primary schools.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: He said national instruments should replace the recorder in schools.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: We have grand virtuosos, leaders in the space of steel pan music.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: We need to take time to make these individuals youth know who the heroes are.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: Agree 100% put the national instrument in schools and teach the history, legacy and story of pan music in the education system in Trinidad and Tobago.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: I could not agree more and got very welcoming and positive responses which gave him the vibe and energy to let Trinidad and Tobago know that other people are loving and embracing his steel pan and so should Trin-Begonians.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: I love the call for it.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: I think it's a very, very tricky topic because I just want the ones to remember that if people get on to replacing the colonial coat of arms, columbus and his ships with the steel pan and they say too expensive to do, I cannot understand the argument where it's too expensive to I.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: I've seen companies change brand name and these just face it out the documents that have the coat of arms that's still there and as you're printing new ones, you're printing steel pan and about 10 years from now you'll never see the steel, the coat of arms on a on a thing again.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: You wait until the regular renewal.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: Every sign in the country that had a coat of arms on it with the three ships would have had to be replaced at some time.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: If I was rollers I would say here is the scene when we replace it, we put in the steel pan on it.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: In other words, it costs nothing additional.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: I don't understand the argument that changing or putting a steel pan on the coat of arms is going to cost anything.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: It will cost just what it used to cost to produce new.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: Whatever it is, the cost of it is to design it right, which I think is the phase they're going through now.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: I just want you guys to think about what the uproar is going to be like in this country among certain groups when they say they're teaching their children pan in schools.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: They're going to say why don't you teach them taso?
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: That come in.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: Remember the national taso association of trinidad and tobago that come in.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: I agree with him a hundred percent.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: And one of the things about playing music right, as somebody who struggled playing music over the years, I learned by watching people play.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: I could read a little bit, and I know I mean a little bit, a little bit.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: I'm not versed in music.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: Or I have a little brother who is professionally trained in music.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: He was telling me that what roads the tune I don't even hear it.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: A lot of times my father took perfect pitch.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: Or papa, a two-part menu is played with darren ellies and a tebow.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: Williams aces them, fellas.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: Hear everything.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: I play on stages with darren ellies and atiba williams aces them, fellas.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: Hear everything.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: I play on stages with darren already.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: Well, we're playing this song and I don't know this song and darren call out every chord for me throughout the whole song, so I could just keep up.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: So I'm I'm far from a musician of any note, you know.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: I mean wait, I should not say that.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: Don't tell kairi, kaisa and them that, right, I come in, I will learn, but it is.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: It's almost like if you're in a class right and you're in the choir or they have a music thing, or even with the recorder, you could see that, as with everything else, they have some people who have predisposition to it and more exposure and experience with it, like just like academics or just like football or anything like that.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: So saying that every child in school should learn the steel pan is the equivalent of saying every child in school have to play football because we like football as a country.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: I understand that we invent pan here.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: Right, it's a different argument, but you understand what I mean.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: What we want to avoid is herding children down the same path over and over and over.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: That is what we want to change and avoid in the education system.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: Everybody's not the same and over and over.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: That is what we want to change and avoid in the education system.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: Everybody's not the same.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: What I think we should change the conversation to is that music in schools ought to be taught through pan rather than through recorder.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: Recorder is a very good instrument to introduce people to music because, number one, it's cheap.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: Number two it's portable, it is easily accessible, it's only have a few notes on it.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: It's not so intimidating If you ever stand up in front of a steel pan and listen.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: I remember Barney.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: Salute to my cousin, wayne Barney.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: Ian Shepard, I don't know how to call his name.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know about my partner.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: I remember him learning to play pan in school and trying to teach me to play.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: They say they want to form a musical change in pan together, but I never tell them yes, but I didn't tell them no.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: I say, well, gentlemen, I did the best I can because they challenged me and I want to give it a go.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: They were getting bored and they would appreciate something new.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: That man trying to show me that thing.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: I never get so frustrated in my life, guy trying to remember what it's a play pan in a minor.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: But I don't know what a minor mean.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: So I just try to memorize where the thing was and it was hard and if it was left up to that I would have never played music.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: I had a predisposition to it and plenty experience with it because of daddy's side of the family where we used to play instruments and things.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: So that might have my passion for it, or the again, the exposure, and sit down and go through the pain it take to learn music.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: You see, learning music it hard, it's tough.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: Any instrument.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: You try to learn it hard, it hard, until it's not hard.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: And when it's not hard, no more you had to find something else hard to do if you want to advance.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: When you see you find something else hard to do, you'll be sweating, trying to learn to do the new thing and then one day you'll just be able to do it.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: It's called tacit learning.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: It's like riding a bike you don't know how to do it till you know how to do it.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: Nobody can explain it to you, how to do it over and over and over.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: So this book I'm reading now right, that spoke about it by Adam Grant, I want to say is a good example of where I agree with Duvon Stewart.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: But I feel like we have to adjust the approach to it because, because so much of tacit learning is rote, you have to do it over and over and get over the hill.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: You have to get over the pain of doing it, like when I watch a little child ask me what adult show me something on the quatrainer, when I see your fingers dancing and trembling, I know what that is.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: I could tell you what that feel like.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: I know what that person going through.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: I also know that one day your finger and them go get bright, your fingers going to get bright.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: And when I tell you, play c major, you go just play.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: You don't have to think.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: I also know now, if I'm playing for a certain amount of time, that if it have anything I had to do with my finger and them dancing.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: So I gonna sit down and do it every day, for however long, and then one day I'll be doing it and once again I'm gonna find people to play with with that c major in the song and I will fumble with it every time it come around.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: But by the time that night done, when we done rehearsal, we done play.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: Tell kairi kai.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: So this right, by the time that night done and we done play, I will have it right.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: But you had to go through that to know that.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: Any, if I talk into a sportsman, you know that too.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: You had to play that forward defensive.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: How much ever times you had to control that ball.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 3: You had to do it many, many times.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: And after that when the ball come in, you don't feel nervous, you don't be overthinking it, you just do it.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: And that's hard.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: You had to do the route.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: And what Adam Grant was talking about with teaching children was that if you don't make it fun, right, don't make it fun right.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: If there's no fun or no game.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: Hidden potential is the name of the book.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: So you're saying not just gamification, but if you make it fun, if you make it competitive like when I'm playing football exactly and I'm trying to get him to learn something he's get bored fast.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: When he give him drills to do, he say well, you come and defend and try to stop, man, I will dribble past you.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: And then I started to realize after reading this book that, hey, that is what it meant.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: He liked the competitive part and the fun part.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: He liked even if I jam him 10 times when he passed me and now I can't stop him.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: When he passed me, he enjoying the process of the route and doing it over and over, and I was seeing things that were fumbly for him in the beginning of the football starting to become automatic.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: Saying all that to say, that's why the recorder, important recorder just a tree hole for this fan here, right hand and then three hole for the left hand, and you figure that out and you could play something.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: You could get something out of it very fast, you could feel like you're playing.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: You could do that quickly, whereas with the pan is not the easiest instrument to learn.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: I don't think they should remove recorders from the school.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: It's important for any child any child that I in charge of you have to learn to play music.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: You have to be exposed to it, right, because music is teacher kind of discipline and thing where I support something too, right.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't just say it like if it's music only, but you could learn that discipline and that stick-to-itiveness and all the different things that music gives you.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: And you could learn that if you stick with things long enough, you could get a reward that are very, very hard to replace and and and earn a skill that nobody can't take from you over time.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: Right, and a skill that the best of us, the people who really stay with it, could go on to earn from that skill and to make the country proud and to get national awards like Duvon Stewart and make themselves legends.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: But they have some people who will never get there with music.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: They will get there otherwise right, but music is not going to be the avenue for that.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: So I feel like, for the purpose of exposing as much children as possible to music, we must keep the recorder or whatever instrument is simple enough for music teachers to transmit that to children.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: But I do feel like if there's a lot of value in what he's saying, because there's no reason why predisposition to music could stop us from putting the history of pan in schools, the legends behind pan, the, the, what, what, what, the bands in pan, who in panorama, if we could remember all these different thing about independence and all them thing, why we must know when panorama over the years youths clearly done interested in pan already salute to joshua grello and many, many youths who make in pan cool again for young people.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: So I, I would you want to add a hundred percent in that you see music theory and and and the history of music and so on.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: We must make pan, how we transmit all these things to youths and on that note I had a, a song for the pan men to leave you with.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: Well, have a productive week, have a safe week, wherever it is, watch your surroundings.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: Pay attention.
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  Speaker 3: If you're in Trinidad, pay attention to your comings and goings.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: If you're coming out of a place and you're seeing people in car, look around.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 5: Make sure you, the Predators, older, I want to leave you.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: We don't play plenty, david Rudd, for this.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: So for the pan men, out of vain.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: This culture was born In life's shadowed places.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 5: The magic was born Well, the tribes.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 5: They regrouped again, formed their walls on a brand new plane and through their strife, their manhood was reborn.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 5: And so from all this bacchanal, life is now a festival and you can hear the children sing.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: Hear them singing.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 5: This praise song was written For the Pan-Man, to all those who've shown their dedication Out of yesterday's redemption Onward to a new profession, from a hunger came a feeling, dedication.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 5: Out of yesterday's rejection Onward to a new perfection.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 5: From our hunger came our feeling.
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  Speaker 5: From that field we shaped the steel.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 5: So we sing a song of praise for those who Helped to clear the path that we could see through.
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  Speaker 5: So now we children.
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  Speaker 5: They have a source.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 5: So every dream may go near the moon.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 5: I'll grab a honeypot.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 5: Ten thousand flowers bloom, Not one name.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 5: Not one will I call, because the name of you will make the others feel small.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 5: But I hope when they hear my song it will keep them proud and strong.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 5: And I once met a man.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 5: I just shrug and sing along, and that's a fact.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 5: Cause we know this song could never be in vain, let me sing it.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 5: This praise song was written for the band man, to all those who shown their dedication, out of yesterday's rejection Onward, to a new protection.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 5: From a hunger came a fear.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 5: From that fear we shaved the steel.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 5: So we sing a song of praise for those who have to bear the part that we could see through.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 5: So now we children.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 5: They have a source.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 5: So every dream may come true.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 5: Out of our mud pond, ten thousand flowers bloom 10,000 hours long.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 5: There will be fools, and fools always play their game.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 5: But as we forward on, we shall always know their names, cause just as the fire expands the steel, so too our minds will grow to reveal A tomorrow that today we can only feel.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 5: And between the wrist and the rubber there is a new truth to discover.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 5: That new melody, that glorious song of songs.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 5: Let me sing it.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 5: This great song was written for the man, to all those who've shown their dedication, out of yesterday's rejection onward, to a new perfection.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 5: From our hunger came our fear.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 5: From that fear we shaved the steel.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 5: All our praise for those who Helped to clear the path that we could see through.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 5: So now we children, they have a source.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 5: So very dream big.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 5: Onion of gold.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 5: Out of a honey pond, ten thousand flowers bloom.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 5: This praise song was written for the man.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 5: To all those who shown their dedication Out of yesterday's rejection, thank you, help to clear the path that we could see through.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 5: So now we children, they have a source.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 5: So very dream big on Yonagawa Out of our money pond, ten thousand flowers bloom.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: See you all next week.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: Bye.