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  Speaker 1: I say? Love? Med Me Crazy? Welcome to Reparations The
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  Speaker 1: Big Payback, a production of color Farm Media, iHeartRadio and
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  Speaker 1: The Black Effect podcast Network. I'm Erica Alexander and I
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  Speaker 1: Whitney down. There's no reef reparations and what is needed
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  Speaker 1: for people. We are the ones that were injured, solos
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  Speaker 1: and solos enslavement is stuff. The people who are owed
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  Speaker 1: for slavery are no longer here. I want to check.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think reparations is a good idea. Everyone should
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  Speaker 1: be given the damage that was done to their family
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  Speaker 1: cash payment. I don't want to no government, and though
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  Speaker 1: reparations should be welcomed by all, some folks may want checks.
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  Speaker 1: But what we're really talking about is closing that wealth
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  Speaker 1: gap and making people hold me here. We are on
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  Speaker 1: the corner of Wall and Broad Street, one of the
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  Speaker 1: most like famous corners in America. Right, it's the seat
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  Speaker 1: of capitalism. We're standing at the feet of George Washington,
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  Speaker 1: founder of our country, who's looking across Wall Street at
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  Speaker 1: the New York Stock Exchange. Is this it? This is it?
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  Speaker 1: It's smaller than I thought. It looks more oppressive than pictures.
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  Speaker 1: I was doing a little research before we came down
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  Speaker 1: here Erica. And you know, the value of the companies
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  Speaker 1: contained in the New York Stock has changes over thirty
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  Speaker 1: trillion dollars. That's ten trillion dollars, more than the nation's
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  Speaker 1: GDP every year or thirty Amazon and the value and
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  Speaker 1: the amount of trading that is done every day there
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  Speaker 1: are out of money that passes through. There is I
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  Speaker 1: think over one hundred and sixty billion dollars every day.
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  Speaker 1: When you think of Wall Street, what do you think
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  Speaker 1: of I think of this. I mean, it's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of stone. There's all these really beautiful polished bronze doors
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  Speaker 1: with sparkling glass and a lot of really decorative iron
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  Speaker 1: work around, and it's kind of telling everybody, well, if
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  Speaker 1: you're a white man, you can come in, but everybody
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  Speaker 1: else stay out. Meant to intimidate, and it does. It's
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  Speaker 1: not only intimidating to New Yorkers, but I think it's
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  Speaker 1: meant to be intimidating to the world. What I didn't
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  Speaker 1: realize is that directly across the street is Federal Hall's
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  Speaker 1: walk up there a little bit America. We're standing in
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  Speaker 1: front of Federal Hall Memorial, and that's another gothic building,
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  Speaker 1: and out in front of it there's a statue of
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  Speaker 1: George Washington. And it really struck me and I saw us,
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  Speaker 1: here's the founder of our country, and he's looking across
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  Speaker 1: the street at the stock Exchange as if he's looking
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  Speaker 1: at the capitalist foundation of the country. But this is
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  Speaker 1: where he took the oath of office upstairs in this building. Wow. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they really did a nice job on the bronze work
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  Speaker 1: near his crutch. And it matters because you're looking up
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  Speaker 1: at him and you're meant to see his penis first
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  Speaker 1: and then go up to his face and follow his
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  Speaker 1: eyes to the stock Exchange. At least that's not what
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  Speaker 1: I see at our back is George Washington. If we
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  Speaker 1: look to our right, we can see Trinity Church, the
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  Speaker 1: oldest church. I think he's one of those churches in
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  Speaker 1: the country, oldest church in New York. If you look
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  Speaker 1: across the street directly in front of us as a
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  Speaker 1: stock exchange, and then if you look down the street
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  Speaker 1: to the water, do you know what's down that street
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  Speaker 1: the location of New York's first slave market that was
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  Speaker 1: founded in seventeen eleven. So we should have, like the
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  Speaker 1: four points of the compass, in America, we have politics, money, religion, slavery.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds right. Black people will always make up the
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  Speaker 1: four points. And in fact none of these things could exist.
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  Speaker 1: These politics, that religion, or that money without slavery, And
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  Speaker 1: that's the unfortunate part. For them to have white freedom
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  Speaker 1: and white success, they needed black bodies. You know, when
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  Speaker 1: I met you, Whitney, I had no idea that I
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  Speaker 1: would be stuck with you for this long. We've been
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  Speaker 1: talking about reparations for two years. It's only been two
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  Speaker 1: years for us, but it's been one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 1: years for our country. Did you ever imagine yourself making
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  Speaker 1: a project about reparations with a guy named Whitney Burton
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  Speaker 1: Dow from the colony of Cambridge, Massachusetts. No, like you
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  Speaker 1: often point out a rolling of a wasp or a colonist. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I guess if you come from Cambridge, Massachusetts in your
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  Speaker 1: name Mats Whitney Burton Dow, you look a little whitish.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, but who better than you to represent for
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  Speaker 1: your people? Well, if you're talking about white people, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I'm white people. Yeah, you're a guy white people in America.
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  Speaker 1: That's you. Well, Hamas Hollywood. You know you're no pauper.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen your house. If you did, you wouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: saying that I need reparations just as much as anybody.
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  Speaker 1: I am. No Cambridge Whitney Dow and I didn't just
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  Speaker 1: pop into people's movie screens and on stages and in
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  Speaker 1: theaters all over the world. I have an origin story.
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  Speaker 1: We all have origin stories. And origin stories are how
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  Speaker 1: you live. They don't hopefully determine who you are. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's about the stories we tell ourselves. And I guess
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  Speaker 1: story shape our present reality. And I think that's where
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  Speaker 1: every story starts. Every good story is between reality and myth. Like,
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  Speaker 1: what's possible telling the truth? Well, you're setting a pretty
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  Speaker 1: high bar that you and I are going to get
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  Speaker 1: to the truth. Everybody lives different truths now. I think
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  Speaker 1: your truth is mixed me a lot alive. Thanks for that.
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  Speaker 1: Are you talking about me personally, Erica or collectively as
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  Speaker 1: the white guy here? Both reparations. It's a complicated issue,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not sure if I'm the right person to
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  Speaker 1: tell the story with you, Erica. Yeah, I might be
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  Speaker 1: too white. Well, I'm extra black, I'm extra crispy black.
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  Speaker 1: Does that offset some of my whiteness? Is that what
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  Speaker 1: you're saying? No, No, you're white. You white. You gotta
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  Speaker 1: live with it, you know, any of my problem, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna coattail on your blackness here. By the way, this
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  Speaker 1: is a conversation. If we're going to go on this
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  Speaker 1: journey about reparations, it ain't about you. No, you would
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  Speaker 1: say it is about you. But I'm Harry, it's child
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  Speaker 1: you hear me. I'm here to rescue my people. And
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  Speaker 1: the last time I checked, we just got a new
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  Speaker 1: black woman VP. Right now I'm feeling like, ain't nothing
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  Speaker 1: too big for me? And if not you Whitney, then
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  Speaker 1: who step up? If we're going to do this, We've
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  Speaker 1: got to make a plan. We've got to find experts.
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  Speaker 1: We gotta, you know, find people who actually know what
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  Speaker 1: they're talking about. Oh, just goose your eyes and make
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  Speaker 1: a wish count to three. Yeah, that's come on. That's
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  Speaker 1: Sheila Jackson Lee. That's Congressional hearing on HR forty nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: America is a place and welcomes the diversity of thought.
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  Speaker 1: We even welcome the diversity of thought among the multi
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  Speaker 1: colored chocolate people that are African Americans. Did you hear
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  Speaker 1: that multi colored chocolate? Do you see how she got down,
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  Speaker 1: old girl as a warrior? If we were to pay
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  Speaker 1: reparations today, we would only divide the country further. About
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  Speaker 1: to turn on him like mister and colored purple. Reparations,
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  Speaker 1: by definition, are only given to victims. Victims had no consent.
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  Speaker 1: What you're supposed to say? I give you permission to
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  Speaker 1: We recognize our lineage as a generational trust as inheritance,
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  Speaker 1: and the real dilemma posed by reparations is just that,
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  Speaker 1: a dilemma of inheritance. Yep, that's what's happening in DC.
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  Speaker 1: I guess that's why HR forty, a built to discuss reparations,
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  Speaker 1: has been stuck in committee for thirty years. But meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: on these mean streets here we are out here, man,
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  Speaker 1: and Families and the Council. Oh snapp, it's the New
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  Speaker 1: York's Municipal slave Market. There's a sign here areably less
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  Speaker 1: than two feet across and just over one foot high.
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  Speaker 1: It is drawing on it and has the green New
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  Speaker 1: York Parks emblement. It says on Wall Street between Pearl
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  Speaker 1: and Water Streets, a market that auction enslaved people of
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  Speaker 1: African ancestry was established by a common Council law on
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  Speaker 1: November thirtieth, seventeen eleven. This is the New York's Municipal
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  Speaker 1: slave market sign. But you can look up from this
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  Speaker 1: site and see Trinity Church, and you can see the
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  Speaker 1: New York Stock Exchange and the foundation of it all.
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  Speaker 1: The American slavery gets a two by two plaque. No,
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  Speaker 1: I've been here before, but this is the first time
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  Speaker 1: I'm seeing this, so I'm a little pissed off. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know why it's not more prominent. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: why it's just a sign. Look, there's a big old
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  Speaker 1: statue towards Washington over there. Big buildings that we talked
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  Speaker 1: about with stones look like it should be here, and
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  Speaker 1: this looked like it it could be knocked over by
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  Speaker 1: a hard wind. How does it make you feel thinking
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  Speaker 1: about all this, You're visibly upset, You're shaking. I'm much shaking.
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  Speaker 1: I'm upset. I mean, I really wish I could rip
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  Speaker 1: that sucker out. It's not even worth it being there.
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  Speaker 1: And then also I'm kind of mad because I haven't
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  Speaker 1: been here before. I didn't see it. There are people
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  Speaker 1: walking through, their immigrants and got their children, they've got
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  Speaker 1: off their families. They should be able to see it.
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  Speaker 1: There should be the stain of it in New Yorkers
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  Speaker 1: should have to live with it, they should have to
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  Speaker 1: learn about it, they should be confronted with it. I
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  Speaker 1: want them to really acknowledge slavery. I want them to
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  Speaker 1: give us justice. Black people want justice. We deserve it.
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  Speaker 1: We should have it by any means necessary. And part
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  Speaker 1: of that justice is that you should not be able
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  Speaker 1: to come and walk by a slave market marker and
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  Speaker 1: not be moved by it, or at least have to
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  Speaker 1: reckon with it or see it. That was so brutal.
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  Speaker 1: Being there with you, Erica, someone who I care about,
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  Speaker 1: and seeing the vistal reaction, the pain that it caused
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  Speaker 1: you to be there, it left me feeling kind of helpless.
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  Speaker 1: And I know that if i'd been alone, If I
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  Speaker 1: had been there by myself, I would have find some
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  Speaker 1: way to push myself away from it and the absurdity
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  Speaker 1: of it and just kind of intellectualize it. Where being
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  Speaker 1: there with you forced me to own it a bit.
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  Speaker 1: But that's my problem, not yours. It is your problem
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  Speaker 1: and black people's burden to bear. I mean, we gave
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  Speaker 1: you money and pay the big on your loan. Who
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  Speaker 1: needs bootstraps when they've got friends like you, Whitney. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I mean earlier when I said your truth is
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  Speaker 1: filled with a lot of lies. These realities they show
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  Speaker 1: up for me every day. Meanwhile, you're underwater thinking your
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  Speaker 1: real estate has value. What I'm thinking about is solutions,
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  Speaker 1: And I really believe the only way towards a true
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  Speaker 1: reconciliation is to create a funded reparations program. And white
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  Speaker 1: Americans do you have to decide if they want to
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  Speaker 1: rise with Black Americans or fall with them. I see you,
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  Speaker 1: Whitney down. You're doing something. I mean, you're here, you're
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  Speaker 1: working on it, you're talking about it, But don't expect
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  Speaker 1: the parade or props or showing up to clean up
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  Speaker 1: the mess you've made. Yeah, it is a big mess
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  Speaker 1: and Erica. You've told me in the past that you
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  Speaker 1: feel like James Baldwin or taught in the Hasse Coats
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  Speaker 1: has said that you don't really believe, you don't really
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  Speaker 1: have faith that white people of the ability to change.
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  Speaker 1: And I totally understand that if I were black, I
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  Speaker 1: imagine I would feel the exact same way, and especially
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  Speaker 1: looking at the events the last you know, a few
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  Speaker 1: weeks and we've had three or four thousand white people
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  Speaker 1: storming the Capitol and it looks horrible. Those images were
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  Speaker 1: just like atrocious. But at the same time, we've also
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  Speaker 1: had millions of white people in the street marching alongside
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  Speaker 1: black and brown people protesting police violence. So that does
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  Speaker 1: make me a little optimistic. I hope it doesn't sound
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  Speaker 1: corny that I do believe we can change, right, Maybe
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I kind of have to believe we
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  Speaker 1: can change. Like in Evanston, Illinois, things are changing. I've
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  Speaker 1: known his reparation Robin and rolls of parks. Now, so
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  Speaker 1: that's different. How about that she's a rock star. Four
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  Speaker 1: hundred years after the first enslaved Africans got off the boat,
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  Speaker 1: Alderman Robin Ruth Simmons passes the first Reparations bill in
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  Speaker 1: a man Erica, oh Man, talk about the long arc.
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  Speaker 1: You got to keep an eye on her. We will,
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  Speaker 1: but I want to show you something first. So Erica,
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  Speaker 1: tell me what do you see here? What were you
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  Speaker 1: walking up to? Oh, we're Duanne in Elk Street and
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  Speaker 1: it says African burial ground way. So they're building a
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  Speaker 1: federal building at two hundred fifty six million dollar building.
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  Speaker 1: And when they broke ground on if they discovered this
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  Speaker 1: burial ground, what does this say here? Changing landscape obscures
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  Speaker 1: the past. The African burial ground was labeled Negroes Burial
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  Speaker 1: Ground on the seventeen fifty five map at right. Colonial
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  Speaker 1: New York laws banned African funerals and officially consecrated graveyards,
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  Speaker 1: prohibited gatherings of large numbers of enslaved Africans, and decreed
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  Speaker 1: that funerals had to be held during daylight. Nonetheless, Africans
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  Speaker 1: and their descendants held burial ceremonies in amentary outside the
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  Speaker 1: city wall, near a ravine. As New York City expanded northeast.
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  Speaker 1: The burial ground was closed in seventeen ninety four and
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  Speaker 1: eventually divided into lots for sale the land was filled
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  Speaker 1: in and buildings were constructed on top. For almost two centuries,
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  Speaker 1: New York City's growth obscured the graves, and the African
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  Speaker 1: burial ground was nearly forgotten. So we tried to put
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  Speaker 1: a Starbucks on it. It's a metaphor, right, The foundation
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  Speaker 1: is African Americans. Americans built on top of it. They
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  Speaker 1: turned their barrel ground into real estate. But that foundation
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  Speaker 1: wasn't paid for. It was paid for in blood, guts
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  Speaker 1: and suffering. I think fifty of the people buried here
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  Speaker 1: were children. So we talk about reparations for work and
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  Speaker 1: value created, but what about reparations for all the people
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  Speaker 1: that were destroyed by it? At fifty percent of it
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  Speaker 1: as children, the people who actually never had a life.
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  Speaker 1: So this is showing the levels of different centuries and
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  Speaker 1: what they built on top of those coffins. It's a diagram.
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  Speaker 1: We're a ground level, right, Yeah, We're a ground level.
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  Speaker 1: So on top there's three different centuries. In the lowest,
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  Speaker 1: righty year at least is the seventeen hundreds. People were
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  Speaker 1: buried in individual coffins up to three deep. But that
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  Speaker 1: looks exactly like the slave ship diagrams coming across. That's
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  Speaker 1: interesting from Africa. So they went out like they came in.
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  Speaker 1: That's a cold, cold thought. Let's walk up to the
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  Speaker 1: next marker. This one is says Africans in early New
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  Speaker 1: York before the American Revolution, New York had more enslaved Africans.
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  Speaker 1: It's most valuable commodity than any other colony in the North.
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  Speaker 1: You're leaving out the most important thing here. It's not
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  Speaker 1: that these people were just here, they say, and they
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  Speaker 1: give an account of their work. Women sewed, cooked, harvest,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: didn't cared for owners, children, labors tore up cobblestone streets,
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  Speaker 1: dug trenches, laid and joined the pipe sections, and filled
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  Speaker 1: in the trenches. Pay one dollar a day in slave
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  Speaker 1: workers wages went to their owners. That's real. Yeah. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, one of the reasons why the slave market
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  Speaker 1: was established down on Wall Street was because there were
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  Speaker 1: so many enslaved Africans here and the actual way the
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  Speaker 1: labor pool was structured wasn't really structure. There to sending
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  Speaker 1: people out in the street to earn money, and they
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  Speaker 1: wanted to sort of like codify into something more structure.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: By the way, this whole thing is about white fear. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you should be fucking afraid because if we ever get
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  Speaker 1: what we deserve and if we ever start to balance
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  Speaker 1: those books, there ain't no stopping us. And it's over.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: It's not just the rebrowning of America, it's the black
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  Speaker 1: nation coming into its own. So yeah, they try to
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  Speaker 1: bury us too black, too strong. From seventeen ninety four
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  Speaker 1: and estimated fifteen thousand enslaved in Free Africans were laid
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  Speaker 1: to rest in the African Fifteen thousand bodies are here.
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  Speaker 1: Seven burial mounds mark the locations of the re internments.
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  Speaker 1: Oh here, they are over here, So this is it.
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  Speaker 1: Look at the mounds here? Oh my god, Now to me,
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  Speaker 1: I'm very proud. I'm glad to see them. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't know I gained comfort from them being here. I'd
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• 21:38
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• 21:41
  Speaker 1: over at the stone and it's all representational. This is
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: so much more concrete. These are real burial mounds. And
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: knowing that the remains line underneath it, and knowing that
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: they're aligned in a certain way with their heads facing Africa.
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  Speaker 1: it's a shame because no matter how hard she worked
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  Speaker 1: with me, it wasn't enough, and she won't live to
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: see a new world that's created through the application of reparations.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: So like the Africans, underneath those buildings, it's gonna be
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: beyond her flesh and bone. But that means it's fertile ground.
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  Speaker 1: It's very furtive. My mother's in it, it's blessed and
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: highly favored. Well, really strikes me about it, Eric, because
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  Speaker 1: that it's called the African burial ground. But it's not
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: just African history. It's white history too, and it's history
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: that's layered across generations. And it's not just about what
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: happened before it happened hundreds of years ago. You can
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: also see in how it's impacted what's happening today and
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: how you and I how our own families are living
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: within the legacy of slavery. Yeah, no, I get it.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I mean My brother's a Philly copp and my sister
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: is a social worker, and they work within the racist
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: system that we're talking about every day. You know, that's
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: how they make their living. The weird part is if
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: systematic reformation is needed, and reparations is part of the cure,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: we have to get ready because there's a whole lot
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: of black folks that are baked into the current architecture
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: and they ain't gonna get out. So, I mean, it's
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: a rough ride. It would disrupt everything. So we got
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: to be careful what we wish for first, to do
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: no arm Maybe we need to step out of our
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: current reality for a moment. Revend Barber says that we're
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: in the third week instruction. So Whitney, this is our
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: opportunity to map out a blueprint, to chart a new destiny,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: to decide who our builders are, our architects, our machinists.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: You would probably need a few arsonists. We're gonna have
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: to tear some things down along the way. But first
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: we need vision imagination. You mean a reimagination that's a
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: new change. Oh, it's amazing what a good composition can
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: be to carry us away. Okay, I'm ready. I think, Well,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: let's be real, you always feel your best at the
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: beginning of the marathon. I hope, I'm ready. Yeah, I hope.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I bought a black Power bar this season. On reparations
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  Speaker 1: the big payback. I didn't have a lot of skills.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I was a bad student. That was kind of this
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: historic Charlie got thrown out of schools. I was always
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: getting too fights. So that's why you got into race work,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: because you were a mediocre white man anywhere anywhere, exactly
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: what you're saying. I failed everywhere else, So race took
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: me in it. I made a career out of it
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: because that's what we need in this business. We need
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: to rejects awesome. Look, we have to define reparations. Some
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: people want to define reparations as a give me a check.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: That's not reparations. They treat us like animals more or
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: less than like human beings. And we are the ones
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: who lost our lives building this country and got paid
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: not one dime for it. But everybody else is reaping
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: the benefits. That's ople money. My life revolves primarily around
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: my discovery that my ancestors were the largest slave trading
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: family US history. When I looked at you, Wikipedia, my
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: god brother, you're not playing you like the John Lewis
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: of the Aristocrats the inspiration for me and Reparations. I
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  Speaker 1: know that the injustice and the discrimination in the racism
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: is a shared problem, but which has to be confronted
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: if we're gonna move on successfully together. My life wouldn't
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: have been any different if I was black, because it's
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: the core of who you are. Everyone has a burden,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: it's how you handle the burden, and so I truly
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: don't feel that there was a privilege. Absolutely not. Um.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: What happened was we were standing there and suddenly the
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: window shatters. The policeman told me that he was trying
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: to kill some blackbirds, meaning my children who were standing
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: at the window. Had it not been for a double
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: paned windows, probably I would have that morning lost two
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: of my children. If I had enough money to ease
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: the disparities and enough programs directed run by black people
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: to help us, then I would even be willing not
• 29:13
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  Speaker 1: your playlist the reparations playlist? Well, what I play for
• 29:20
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