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Nick Wright on Chiefs Super Bowl chances, Nick Saban to Penn State, Josh Allen issues | 10.15 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Right Podcast. Nick Wright, what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Bo, how are you? How are you dealing with kind
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  Speaker 2: of an embarrassing, emasculating, bullying loss for the biggest, toughest
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  Speaker 2: team in football that got pushed around? See, here we go.
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  Speaker 2: Here we go. Here we go.
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  Speaker 1: I knew that there was some way that you were
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  Speaker 1: going to have to wind up going a little bit
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  Speaker 1: too far. I mean, you could make the argument, yes,
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  Speaker 1: that maybe... Maybe they didn't stand on this square as
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  Speaker 1: well as they could for 60 minutes of action. But
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  Speaker 1: for that first minute after, baby, you saw that there
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  Speaker 1: was still some fight in them, didn't you? There's still
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  Speaker 1: some fight in them.
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  Speaker 2: I'm worried about that lion safety room, which is, I
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  Speaker 2: know it's actually all defensive backs, but Kirby is a
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  Speaker 2: first-team all-pro who, after the game... sent out, I counted,
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  Speaker 2: 24 tweets or retweets blaming the refs. And Brian Branch, Bo,
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  Speaker 2: I thought he was about to cry in that postgame
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  Speaker 2: when he said they were bullying me. And I just
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  Speaker 2: think it was a good kind of end cap to
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  Speaker 2: a game that started with the Lions telling the world,
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  Speaker 2: We can't get six inches on the Kansas City Chiefs
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  Speaker 2: without throwing it to Jared Goff. What happened to running
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  Speaker 2: the ball with David Montgomery? What happened to the big,
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  Speaker 2: tough offensive line? I'm worried about your Lions, Bo, I
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  Speaker 2: got to tell you.
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  Speaker 1: I got to tell you also, things were looking really
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  Speaker 1: good up until they got big brained with that throw
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  Speaker 1: to Jerry Kaufman, which I have to say, it always
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  Speaker 1: looks impressive when it works, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like for sure.
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  Speaker 1: And I will also say that it feels tougher when
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  Speaker 1: it's a throwback to Panay Sewell, right? That feels like
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  Speaker 1: it's still within the ethos of what we got going.
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  Speaker 1: Where I absolutely agree with you is you guys don't
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  Speaker 1: have to do this anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Like you don't have, and maybe you never had to
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  Speaker 1: do it in the first place, but you don't have
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  Speaker 1: to be so cute in doing some of these things.
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  Speaker 1: Like this is, in many ways, this is beneath them.
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  Speaker 1: What I find fascinating about it is, now that we
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  Speaker 1: have seen this.
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  Speaker 3: Persist through two offensive coordinators, it is very clear, ironically,
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  Speaker 3: that the razzle-dazzle is coming from Dan Campbell.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. That's right. That's what, and And he's not only
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  Speaker 2: okay with it, but like as you put, maybe encouraging it.
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  Speaker 2: And I just think there's a time. I don't mind.
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  Speaker 2: I hate the analysis of trick plays are awesome when
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  Speaker 2: they work and they suck when they don't. That's not
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  Speaker 2: what I'm trying to do. I just thought fourth down
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  Speaker 2: with inches to go was an odd place for it.
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  Speaker 2: And I also, if you remember that exact sequence, the
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  Speaker 2: Chiefs called No, Dan Campbell called a timeout right before
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  Speaker 2: fourth down, but they had already started the play. Andy
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  Speaker 2: was mad because he didn't think Campbell had called it
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  Speaker 2: in time. But their initial fourth down play was a
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  Speaker 2: golf rollout to the right that then ended up being aborted.
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  Speaker 2: And then their next fourth down play, Is this trick pass,
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  Speaker 2: trick play? It was really weird to me that they
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't just try to run it straight down Kansas City's throat. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I'm overstating the concern about the Lions. I texted you
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  Speaker 2: that Amon Ross St. Brown literally had not had a
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  Speaker 2: drop charted. Again, I haven't charted at all, but in
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  Speaker 2: the numbers- since 2023. He went all of last year
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  Speaker 2: without a drop, didn't have a drop all of this year,
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  Speaker 2: and then dropped that fourth down, and that was a
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  Speaker 2: huge play. I think your team obviously is excellent. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't like after the game, but whatever. Dan Campbell handled
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  Speaker 2: it great after the game. Dan Campbell's awesome. He's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: My only question, big picture from that game for your team,
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  Speaker 2: and then we can get to the team that's obviously
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  Speaker 2: going to win the Super Bowl again. Obviously, he's the
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  Speaker 2: best in the world. Um, did you, do you agree
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  Speaker 2: with Collinsworth that the way they're built, they, it is
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  Speaker 2: a concern if they have to play from behind. Collinsworth
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  Speaker 2: sounded that alarm about like when you get golf into
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  Speaker 2: a straight drop back passing game and the team's not
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  Speaker 2: worried about the run, the opposing team, that's when they
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  Speaker 2: can struggle. And it felt a little harsh, but then
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  Speaker 2: I thought about it. I was like that. Playoff game,
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  Speaker 2: week one, week six, those three instances when they were
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  Speaker 2: behind by more than one score, Goff did seem– he
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  Speaker 2: didn't struggle. He only didn't complete three passes. But the
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  Speaker 2: offense didn't hum. Did you think that was fair critique? Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And I drank out of my Bomani Jones mug.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I do.
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  Speaker 1: And I do think that– So the thing about Goff is,
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  Speaker 1: Goff is one of these guys, like, I say this
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  Speaker 1: about Joe Burrow, and I don't mean it to be insulting,
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  Speaker 1: but it's just factually true, that, wow, he sure looks
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  Speaker 1: awesome when everybody else is too. Right? So, like, Jared
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  Speaker 1: Goff built his career off the time that Sean McVay
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  Speaker 1: looked most like a genius, and that was when they
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  Speaker 1: had Todd Gurley.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Like, you put somebody back there, and he can, if
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  Speaker 1: you don't ask him to do too much, he might
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  Speaker 1: be able to give you the world. And so, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if you have to play from behind or like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: go get it for us, Tiger. Tiger is not that
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  Speaker 1: kind of Tiger. The thing that I say about the
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  Speaker 1: Lions is because of the nature of their running game,
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  Speaker 1: when they get behind, I don't really see why you
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  Speaker 1: need to stop running the ball.
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  Speaker 2: I totally agree. Like they were never behind in the
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  Speaker 2: Chiefs game enough to where it felt like they were
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  Speaker 2: never behind three scores. Like the most they were ever
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  Speaker 2: down was 10 points. I guess 13 at the very end. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, effectively 10. And it just felt like you
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  Speaker 2: could keep running the ball. And the other thing that
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  Speaker 2: I was surprised they didn't do more of, and I
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  Speaker 2: think if they were to meet in the Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 2: they would, is passing to Jameer Gibbs. Like where the
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  Speaker 2: Chiefs defense, I don't have the numbers to back this up.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't looked at this. I just know from watching
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  Speaker 2: them under spags, I'm not talking swing passes, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: talking getting a running back out in a route as
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  Speaker 2: a receiver because the Chiefs love playing all those linebackers
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  Speaker 2: and you get Bolton on Jameer Gibbs and that's a problem.
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  Speaker 2: And so I thought they would have done more of
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  Speaker 2: that and they didn't so much.
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  Speaker 1: I think the thing to watch out for with the
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  Speaker 1: Lions is, looking at personnel, they have to scheme big plays.
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  Speaker 1: Because the only real big play receiver they have is
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  Speaker 1: the dude that got caught betting from the team facility.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like, you got to put a lot of
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  Speaker 1: faith in an untrustworthy fellow in order to make it happen.
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  Speaker 2: But he's really the only guy. Like, he and Gibbs, like.
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  Speaker 1: They can't stop running the ball with Gibbs because Gibbs
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  Speaker 1: is as much a big play threat as anybody outside
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  Speaker 1: of JMO is. If you're going to figure something out
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  Speaker 1: like they they're going to have to manufacture this and
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  Speaker 1: they're going to have to somehow figure out how to
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  Speaker 1: stay healthy because they feel kind of like San Francisco
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  Speaker 1: where we play big, strong, physical football. And the line
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  Speaker 1: between the hammer and the nail is like really narrow.
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  Speaker 1: And they're dudes like Kirby Joseph is not physically there
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  Speaker 1: on top of everything else.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: All those guys on defense are that are hurt. It's
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  Speaker 1: going to be a tough road for them. next game
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  Speaker 1: they play just because they're so physically beat up. And it's,
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  Speaker 1: we're not deep enough into the season. Like last year,
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  Speaker 1: they ended the season with a mass unit, but that
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  Speaker 1: was ending.
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  Speaker 2: That was ending. It wasn't early. And it's also why
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  Speaker 2: branch getting himself suspended for a huge game play. This
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  Speaker 2: could determine the one seat.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like the, and I'm not saying it's just down to
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  Speaker 2: these two teams, but if Tampa wins and, they have
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  Speaker 2: an effective three-game lead on Detroit for the one seed
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  Speaker 2: because they'll be two up in the standings and have
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  Speaker 2: the head-to-head tiebreaker. And listen, I understand Branch probably didn't
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  Speaker 2: think he was going to get suspended and wasn't thinking,
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  Speaker 2: but that is a brutal time and a brutal team
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  Speaker 2: to have one of your safeties, as you mentioned, Kirby Joseph,
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  Speaker 2: who limped, like the way he came off the field
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  Speaker 2: in that game, I was like, oh, he can't play again.
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  Speaker 2: And then he did come back. That was weird. But
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  Speaker 2: his knees bothering him. And Branch now suspended. Now, the
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  Speaker 2: glass half full or three quarters full. You probably just played,
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  Speaker 2: you know. the best team in the league by a
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  Speaker 2: large margin. And so maybe that's it. I mean, maybe
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  Speaker 2: you guys were the only team in the league that
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  Speaker 2: would have held the buzzsaw that is the Kansas City
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  Speaker 2: Chiefs to just 30 points this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: This is why, aside from the fact that I watch,
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  Speaker 1: I don't typically watch night games at Nick's house because
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  Speaker 1: I have to get back home.
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  Speaker 2: But this is the other reason I thought it would
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  Speaker 2: be better for us that if.
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  Speaker 1: It was a 430 kick, I'd have broke out my
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  Speaker 1: Barry Sanders throwback and come on over to the crib
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  Speaker 1: and endangered.
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  Speaker 2: I thought you might show up. Honestly, I thought there
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  Speaker 2: was a chance you were going to show up after
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  Speaker 2: that first drive when they're just running it down the
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  Speaker 2: field i was like if they go up seven nothing
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  Speaker 2: bo could bo's four minutes away by car like bo
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  Speaker 2: could show up at any moment i was prepared for
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  Speaker 2: it it crossed my mind it's not a difficult subway
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  Speaker 2: ride at all it it it it dawned on your
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  Speaker 2: boy that that might have been it but with the
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  Speaker 2: chiefs I am with you. They're okay. They're just fine.
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  Speaker 2: It looked a little tough early on, but now that
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  Speaker 2: they got the.
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  Speaker 1: Look, honestly, everything changed for me with that Thornton dude.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's the greatest receiver in the world,
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  Speaker 1: but I am saying he's running by people and worthy,
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  Speaker 1: at least until the next time he runs into somebody,
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  Speaker 1: is out here running by people. And Rasheed Rice will
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  Speaker 1: be back at some point.
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  Speaker 2: They had.
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  Speaker 1: for a couple of years, a bunch of, we can
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  Speaker 1: just get open guys. And now we look up and realize,
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, they got a lot of, we can run
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  Speaker 1: by you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and so they have now the Thornton. So I
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  Speaker 2: thought this last game was a good example. Thornton didn't
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  Speaker 2: have a catch, but he impacted the game when he
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  Speaker 2: was on the field. It was not that much because,
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  Speaker 2: because of his speed plus my home's ability to throw
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  Speaker 2: it anywhere. And my home's, putting on tape, I will
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  Speaker 2: throw to this guy. He's not just a decoy. Like,
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  Speaker 2: if he's open down the field, I will throw to him.
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  Speaker 2: The way it opened up the intermediate part, which is
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  Speaker 2: why people are overthinking. They're like, why is Kelsey better
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  Speaker 2: this year? It's not because he lost seven pounds, in
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  Speaker 2: my opinion. It's because there's less congestion in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of the field because... Safeties have to worry about Taequann Thornton.
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  Speaker 2: The Chiefs are throwing deep again. Now you have Xavier there.
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  Speaker 2: And where I am super bullish is, listen, I give
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  Speaker 2: credit to Juju for doing his role great. He blocks.
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  Speaker 2: He's tough. He plays that kind of intermediate slot receiver.
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  Speaker 2: But at this point in his career, I bet he
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  Speaker 2: runs a 4-7. Like his knees are shot. They are
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  Speaker 2: going to just drop Rasheed Rice into the role Juju's
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  Speaker 2: been playing. And you're going to have Kelsey and Rasheed
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  Speaker 2: Rice in the intermediate. Tyquan Thornton, basically, my guess is
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  Speaker 2: running nine routes when he's on the field or Hollywood Brown.
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  Speaker 2: And then Xavier, the thing about Xavier Worthy, and you
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  Speaker 2: obviously know this as Texas guy. Yes, he's a 4'2,
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  Speaker 2: 40 and weighs 160 pounds. but for good or for bad,
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  Speaker 2: the guy does run all the routes. He's not just
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  Speaker 2: a deep. Now, maybe he should be mostly a deep
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  Speaker 2: downfield receiver because he's going to get beat up, but
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  Speaker 2: Xavier can, you know, run posts, can run ends, can
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  Speaker 2: do anything. And so I just think they're going to
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  Speaker 2: be an incredibly difficult offense to defend, especially since my
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  Speaker 2: homes now trust his offensive line for the first time
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  Speaker 2: in a few years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And, The defense looks like a defense because that was,
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  Speaker 1: I think most of us would agree when it was
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  Speaker 1: looking bad early this year, it had as much to
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  Speaker 1: do with defense as anything else, especially since Chris Jones,
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  Speaker 1: you know, is willing to play football apparently. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how excited he is about it, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: punch in, punch out.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, when you're, when for a decade, your season's 21
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  Speaker 2: games for a sport that's designed to play about 15,
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  Speaker 2: you have to pick your spots. And Chris, in that
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  Speaker 2: Lions game, by the way, as he historically has, made
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  Speaker 2: his biggest impact on the biggest third down late in
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  Speaker 2: the game to kind of ice it. I'm not worried
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  Speaker 2: about Chris Jones. I do think they're going to make
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  Speaker 2: a trade. And the question is, are they going to
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  Speaker 2: trade for a running back or attempt to trade for
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  Speaker 2: a pass rusher? I have been saying running back, and
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  Speaker 2: I think running back is far easier to come by
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  Speaker 2: It seems like the consensus is, or close to consensus is,
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  Speaker 2: they're more likely to go after a pass rusher. I
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  Speaker 2: would just, listen, I have massive respect for Isaiah Pacheco.
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  Speaker 2: He does, it appears, breaking his leg last year sadly
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  Speaker 2: changed the trajectory of his career. He's just not the
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  Speaker 2: same guy. And it is, you know, it's funny. Your
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  Speaker 2: favorite person in the world, my youngest daughter, Deanna, her
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  Speaker 2: entire career, of watching professional football is watching Chiefs games
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  Speaker 2: with me. Yes. And so we were watching, oh, some
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  Speaker 2: other game. It doesn't matter. That was just on. And
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  Speaker 2: the running back went for six yards. And she turns
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  Speaker 2: to me. She's like, that was really good by him,
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  Speaker 2: wasn't it, Daddy? And I'm like, actually, that's pretty normal.
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  Speaker 2: She's like, no. And I'm like, oh, you're just used
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  Speaker 2: to Pacheco getting a yard and a half every single time.
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  Speaker 2: You just think the running back is supposed to run
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  Speaker 2: into the offensive line and it's second and eight. So
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  Speaker 2: you saw a different running back get you to second
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  Speaker 2: and four and thought it was a huge play. So
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  Speaker 2: if Pacheco's not going to bounce back, I think Adding
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  Speaker 2: a running back could really add a dynamism to this offense.
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  Speaker 2: But either way, it doesn't matter because nobody else is
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  Speaker 2: good in the AFC.
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  Speaker 1: Football through the eyes of an uninvested child is so
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  Speaker 1: great as my favorite Deanna line from football is her
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  Speaker 1: walking in, looking at her father and.
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  Speaker 2: Saying, and I quote, who do we want to win today? Oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that was right. That was not watching the Chiefs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, hey, buddy, I think you need
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: to do some math here about what this is telling you.
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  Speaker 2: About what life is. Yeah, she, listen, let me tell
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  Speaker 2: you something else that you didn't know. Because she knows
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: I bet on the games. And now every Tuesday morning
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: when I take her to school, this is, I think
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: you might actually not like this, Beau. But she says
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: to me, she goes, can I quiz you? And what
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: that means is She wants me to open whatever sports
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  Speaker 2: betting app of my choice and her to do a
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: version of the Simmons and Sal guess the lines with me.
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  Speaker 2: Where she will tell me the game and I will
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  Speaker 2: guess what I think the point spread is and she'll
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  Speaker 2: tell me if I'm wrong or right. And we've done
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  Speaker 2: that for six weeks now of this season.
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  Speaker 1: Have you seen the episode of The Simpsons where Homer
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: and Lisa are watching football because she's giving him great
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  Speaker 1: tips as she.
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  Speaker 2: Comes into class?
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  Speaker 1: And the Saints kick the meaningful field goal to cover
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  Speaker 1: the spread.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's where we're at. It's great parenting.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I'm surprised you haven't bought her a
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  Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield jersey as she is roughly his height. And
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: he is playing well enough that somebody would have perhaps
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  Speaker 1: won one of those jerseys.
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  Speaker 2: Are you shocked by this, Bo? Okay.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: So I have a slight bit of Nick Wright in
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  Speaker 1: me where, and what I mean by that is this,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: like being good at negotiating involves having the stomach to
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  Speaker 1: hold your position deep, deep, deep, deep, deep.
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  Speaker 2: And knowing that it's ultimately going to be correct.
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  Speaker 1: You are willing to do that in the face of
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  Speaker 1: what can obviously seem like being wrong in an uncanny
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  Speaker 1: fashion that often pays off greatly, right?
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: I'll jump off ship way before you do. You hold
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  Speaker 2: it down.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: I cannot jump off the SS Mayfield nor the SS
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Darnold in the fashion that I have been in completely.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Here's what I say about Baker.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: I think that we mess up and we get too
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: locked into the idea of everybody being a franchise quarterback
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: and we ignore the value of a starting quarterback. I
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: just watched a starting quarterback win the Super Bowl last year,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: for example. I think that Baker is upper echelon at
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: this point of your starting quarterbacks, right? While also playing
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: for a team that plays in a poor division. But,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: He is throwing to people of whom I have never
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: heard right now. I would also, however, like to give
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: some credit to those people of whom I have never heard.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Because they're open.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Like they are getting really excellent wide receiver play from
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: dudes who I had never heard of. But if there's
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: anything Baker Mayfield has ever been able to do is
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: throw the ball on the money. And if you're giving
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: him a bunch of dudes that are getting open, which is,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: this is, not everybody can do this. If the dudes
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: are open, they ain't even got to be a lot open.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: If they're open, that's a dude that's going to get
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: them the ball. And he is doing it and now
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: playing with a confidence where he looks like college Baker
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Mayfield outside the pocket, making things happen.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, this is, this has been a lot.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Like he's on his way to the Brian site, Bert Jones,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, Boomer Esiason.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Hey, that guy won an MVP. Won an MVP, man.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Won an MVP. And he, listen, he's always had a
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: crazy strong arm and been, as you mentioned, crazy accurate. He,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: at his worst, so many of his best non-throwing moments
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: for the last two years look just like his worst
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: non-throwing moments from early in his career, which is him
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: seemingly overestimating his athleticism compared to the guy chasing him.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: And it felt like in Cleveland and certainly in Carolina,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: those ended in egregious sacks. And now for the last
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: two years, they end in some of the sickest plays
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: anyone has all year. Last year when Nicky Bosa has
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: him and they are basically both holding each other's jersey
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: and he makes the fourth down throw. The third and
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: 14 in a one-point game this weekend where he is
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: wrapped up, escapes, and then somehow sidelines his way to
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: 14 yards. Listen, I think it is one of the
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: coolest stories in NFL history if he continues this and
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: pulls this off. I also think there is something to
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: be learned because you're talking about guys getting open. And,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: you know, he obviously has gone through, what, four OCs
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: in Tampa. Because his OC, everyone is so, maybe it
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: stops now, but Baker playing well was so shocking to people.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: He got people who had coaching jobs. People were like, well,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: it can't be Baker. Dave Canales, you get a job.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: It can't be Baker. Liam Cohen, you get a job.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: So he's going through all of that. And I think
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: there is an element, and tell me if you buy this,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: because this, This is where I really love talking about
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: this sport specifically because more than any other sport, I
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: do think there is more to be learned from the
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: guys who played it that can't be explained in the
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: numbers or the data more so than basketball or baseball
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: to me by a lot because it's so hard to
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: And it's so brutal that there is some of that, like, listen,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: you know, running a run for four yards is better
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: for your team than a pass for four yards. You
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: just have to take my word for it. That type
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: of stuff. I believe the guys. Like, I believe them.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: And I say all that to say this. There is
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: an element of Baker that the way his teammates love
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: him and the way he seems to be the true,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: and I know it sounds cliche, but guy's guy, alpha leader,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I think makes everyone better. And I actually think we
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: are seeing something of the exact opposite in Miami, where
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: I think from a personality standpoint and what the players
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: on the team think about their quarterback, off the record,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: behind the scenes, in Tampa compared to Miami, are diametrically opposed.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: And I think that has a real part of the
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: reason why two teams that, yes, there is a talent
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: gap between them, but it's not a 5-1 to 1-5
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: talent gap. And Tua is supposed to... Baker has obviously
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: different limitations than Tua, but they're both undersized quarterbacks with
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: some limitations. But Baker's guys freaking love him. And it
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: feels like Tua's team... is kind of sick of him.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: And I think that shows up every Sunday. And so
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I think the Bucs get a real edge from it.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: And I think it's one of the reasons the Dolphins stink. Well,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: it's interesting because.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: And look, we all like different things, right? But... It
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: feels like in real life, if you were to put
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: those two guys next to each other and be like,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: which one of them do you think is more likable?
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: The answer may not be Tua, but it really isn't
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: In the context of the football. And I wonder how
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: it went for Baker when it wasn't going well. Because
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: the question I always had about him is chip on
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: shoulder guy. generally has this problem which is you're proving
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: everybody wrong but what what do you do when they
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: start looking right like what happens when you start thinking
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: they're right do you what's your what's your next play
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: like do you have that if you're fueled by that
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: and he has managed to turn into this whole different
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: you know this better player than we even saw at
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: the height of it in cleveland and you're right the
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: people are around him because there's a confidence to him
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: that is magnetic i think And they know if there's
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: a throw, he's going to make it. Like the guys
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: that hold the ball too long, that has to be demoralizing.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think that guys who play with Baker Mayfield
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: are running down the field. And then if they're open,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: not getting the ball, right?
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: There's got to be something for that. The thing with Tua,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: it does seem to be very clear. That press conference
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: that he did, and I've heard you say this, and
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: you're right, he needs to get out of the press
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: conference business. He doesn't have that club in his bag.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: He's not good at it. No. But these cats don't
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: seem to respect him.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Like when you're talking about you're having players only meetings
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: and they don't respect you. Mike McCoy, the interim coach
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: now with the Titans, was talking about how going into
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: that game, you know, that got Callahan fired and Jeff Simmons,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons had said they had the worst week of practice,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: like all of these things. McCoy came out and said, yeah,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: there was some something in practice. Maybe in the whole
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: practice was drills or whatever. But Jeffrey Simmons was like, hey,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: we're going to do that again. And then everybody went
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and they did it again. This is on an awful team, right?
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: With really nothing to play for. And that dude said, no,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: we're going to do that again.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: And they did it again.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Do you think that if Tua Tungabailoa told his team,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: we're going to do that again, that they would do
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: it again?
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Because he can't even get them to come to no
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: goddamn meetings. Well, and I think part of that is
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: because it's always everyone else's fault. There is a stunning...
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Some of the things he says after games that he
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: plays terribly, you would blanch at if Patrick Mahomes or
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen said it in a game where they played
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: great and a dropped pass turned into an interception. You'd
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: still be like, man, kind of part of the deal
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: with being the quarterback is when you're in front of
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: the podium, it's always your fault. Like that's one of
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: the reasons you're kind of part of management and you
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: get paid so much more is you gotta eat it,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: even it, like the, again, I'll use Mahomes as an example.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Now he was throwing to a, you know, a future
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Hall of Famer and his best friend, but the interception
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: against the Eagles that hit Travis Kelsey in his hands
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: for a touchdown. Patrick said, he's like, yeah, I threw
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: it to a bad spot. Like, no, you didn't. Like
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: you're just, you didn't, but you're being a good guy.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Two is coming off a three interception game. And he's
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: talking about things other guys need to do. And this
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: is my kind of bigger picture tricky Tua take. Which is,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I think there has been, understandably, from a human perspective,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: a kid glove treatment the last couple of years with
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: criticism of Tua. in the media because all of us
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: know like, man, this guy's like literally putting his life
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: on the line in a way. I know everybody is,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: but in a different way, he has dealt with such
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: horrifying injuries that to me, there's, there's an element of,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: and again, I want to be careful with how I'm
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: saying this, but where you, just like if DeMar Hamlin got,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: beat for a touchdown I don't know that he would
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: be criticized the way and it's totally understandable it's like
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: we've seen what the guy's been through and it feels
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: like Tua has coasted a bit on that like him
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: going after Mike McDaniel indirectly or directly is so crazy
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: to me it's like bro Mike McDaniel is the reason
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: you got that second contract like we can talk about
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel the head coach whatever it is Mike McDaniel's
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: offense and system Is what led to you getting paid
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: and did not take accountability for your own poor play
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: is really jarring and disconfitting to me. Yeah, I think
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: that is all fair.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: And I also think that for the Dolphins, right, who
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: are in some ways kind of like seven up. They're
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: kind of like RC Cola. They're kind of like what
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: the Packers were in the 80s, which is, somebody tell you,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: you know, back when I was young, this was one
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: of the most important franchises in the NFL.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, they went to, Don Shula went to four
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Super Bowls with his team.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Went to three in a row. Yeah, and went to
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: one with Danny Woodley in 1982. Like, this was a really,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: really important franchise who fired him, by the way, for
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: going nine and seven, and it ain't been the same since,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: just throwing it out there. But they have fallen off
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: so far, but those two are a bad combination as
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: your quarterback and head coach because people got to be
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: afraid of somebody, right? Like Flores was too much of
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: a jerk being in charge of that team. McDaniel, perhaps
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: not enough of a jerk, but somebody's got to be
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the somebody. So like when Tyreek Hill is acting up,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: somebody got to do something more than whine about it
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: in a press conference. Somebody's got to be the one
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: that carries enough weight to be like, hey, man, This
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: stops now.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Neither of those guys seem to be the guy who
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: can do it. No. And, and I, listen, I think
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel is a really good case study in, uh,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: there is so much more to being a head coach
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: than being a play caller and being, you know, designing
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: fancy offense. And by the way, I actually think Mike
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: McDaniel could be a really good head coach again, if
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: he were sorry to invoke the chiefs here, but like
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: if Andy Reed took a leave of absence and it's like, Hey,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: we got to drop someone in for a season. I
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: think if you have a team with a true leadership structure,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: a real culture and real internal accountability and Mike McDaniel, can,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: you know, most of his job is the fancy play-calling
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: offense stuff, I think that would work. Like, but I
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: don't think he is a guy who is going to
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: be able, and I think we're seeing it, be able
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: to command the room when things are going sideways on
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: your squad. And so you do need, to your point,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: your co-leader, the quarterback of the team, to be someone
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: people feel accountable to. And Tua clearly is not that.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Just flatly is not that.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that McDaniel is self-aware about who he is.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on. You know what I mean? That
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: ain't Ray Nitschke.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: You know who you're dealing with on that. But I
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: remember early in him taking the job, it was an
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: interesting interview he did where he was talking about motivating players.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: And he was like, you know, the thing that I've
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: come to learn in doing this job is that what
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: these guys really want to know is that you're going
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: to put them in a position to get paid, right?
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: That you're going to put them in a position to
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: take care, you know, they want to take care of
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: their families.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: They want to do these things.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: And if you can Tell them that we're doing things
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: that's going to get you paid.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: You will get them.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: And that is, I think, a great and important observation, right?
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Like there's nothing tone deaf about it. There's no point
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: being missed in that. But that is only part of this, right?
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Like I really do think in the end, especially for
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: that type of job, but there's something that's, you know,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit primal if we're being perfectly honest.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: you got to relate to them also in ways that
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: are somewhat primal. Like you talked to Dominique about Ray
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Lewis and like what kind of leader Ray Lewis is.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Ray Lewis ain't out there like everybody's going to get
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: paid after the game.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no. Ray Lewis got something different
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: about him that makes you want to go where he goes. Well,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: and so I hadn't thought about that point by McDaniel
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: in a while. Did he say that with Ryan Clark?
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: I don't remember. I can't remember where. I think it
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: was on the pivot, but doesn't matter. I guess it
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: does matter, but the point stands. And I saw it
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: when it happened, but I hadn't thought about it since
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: then until you brought it up. I also wonder, is
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: there a limitation to that for some guys because if
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: and when they then do get paid, do they then
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: kind of tune you out? It's like, okay, job here's done.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: You know, some guys you would hope it's like, oh,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: he told me do this. I'll get paid. I got paid.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: That's my guy forever. Other guys, it might be like, okay, well,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: you know, we'll check back in when the contract's coming up.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: But for the time being, I'm good here. And so, yeah,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: they're in a, they're in a really bad, you know,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: really bad spot. They probably shouldn't be as bad as
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: their record is. And I don't know. I don't know
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: if they're going to fire McDaniel. I mean, I can't
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: imagine him being the coach there next year, but the
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: fact that they didn't fire him this week makes me
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: think maybe he survives the year. I don't know. Let
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: me tell you something.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: If they don't fire McDaniel, maybe they wait until the
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: end of the year to do it, but if somehow
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel is the coach next year, I can't tell
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: if that is a staggering indictment of Brian.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Flores or more fodder for his lawsuit.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I can't like, because that would be incredibly telling.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: They were like, nah, we'll do another year of this.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: By the way, I don't know if this is on
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: the schedule for our conversation today, but I wanted to
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: get your take on it. Can we do, since we're
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: talking about firing coaches, can we do a couple minutes
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: on James Franklin? Coming up next. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we are back with Nick Wright, who has
• 34:38
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  Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, first I would like to hear just a quick,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: because I know you've talked about it, version of yours.
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  Speaker 2: Because I care more about what Bomani Jones thinks about
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  Speaker 2: But first, I want to be briefed on your general feeling.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Long of the short is not just how many games
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: you win or how many games you lose. It's what
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: games you win and what games you lose. And in
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: the end, he did a little not enough winning of
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: the right games. And then for the last two weeks,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: way too much of losing the wrong ones. Okay, so
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: that's put perfectly.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: It is crazy that like 20 days ago, he had
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: a lead in overtime against Oregon, and now he's just out.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: They were the national championship favorite two and a.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Half weeks ago. So here's my question, essentially. Yes. That
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: I trust just your institutional knowledge of college football to
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: help me with. How good of a program is Penn State?
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: That is the fundamental question. That is the one that
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I think is left unanswered is how good is it?
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: When you have one coach there for 50 years, there's
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: no way to be like what the program is or without.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: So it's not like some of these other programs that
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: had this amazing coach for 10 years. He left and
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: then you found out what you really were. So my worry,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: if I were Penn State, is, and I'm, let me
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: give you my, you know, what I'm scarred by a bit.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: I get to Syracuse and my, after my freshman year there,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: after going six and six, a couple of years in
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: a row under Paul Pasqualone, who they were, they were
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: a program under Pasqualone that usually won eight games. They
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: were like an eight, nine win program. Six was disappointing,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: but that was the absolute floor. And, you know, five
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: out of eight years, they'd finished this year in the
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: top 25, close to 20. You know, that's who they were.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: They were like, we're better than this. And for the
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: next 20 years, they finished this season ranked one time.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: They just, in reaching for a ceiling, they didn't realize
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: the floor, like the floor is Greg Robinson and you
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: are the worst team in college football. It felt like,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: you know, other examples. Tom Osborne's at Nebraska. It's like
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: the greatest run maybe ever in a short period of time.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Frank Solich goes there. They're really good, but it's like, man,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: this ain't Tom Osborne. They still haven't recovered. They moved
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: on Frank Solich thinking they were something they weren't. They
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: still have not recovered. Feels like Florida State. Still hasn't
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: recovered from Jimbo Fisher. Now I understand there were other
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: things involved in that. I think scandal. I don't know.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: They had to recover from Jimbo Fisher also. It's a
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: very interesting thing.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Okay. But, but so my question to you is Michigan
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: with Lloyd Carr, right?
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: They were like, we should be better than this. Then
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: it's like, okay, but now you're just bad for a
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: long time. Then they did recover. Do you think it's
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: on the board that in two years, Penn state's like,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Oh shit. We're five and seven. Like, we are... There
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: was a floor here with Franklin that while this year
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: was a disaster, we... It was fun to be in
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: big games even if we always lost them. Like, is that...
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Do you think that's a fair... Because that would be
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: my concern. Yeah, on the board. That is.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: They.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: They just didn't want him to be the coach anymore
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: for a number of reasons. I don't think he made
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: the he had some of the right friends, but not
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: enough of the right friends, especially the friends on the
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: money end of it. But it just reached a point
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: where what he was giving them wasn't necessarily any fun anymore.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: But you're right. It's on the board.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I was talking to somebody, though, who worked at Penn State,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: who made the point to me, and this is where
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: they could get in trouble. locally, they think that they
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: and Ohio State are peers. That's what Michigan thought.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Michigan is not Ohio State historically. But go ahead. No,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: but Michigan, at least, I have seen.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: To me, Michigan, it makes more sense to think that
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: this is what you could be. But for Penn State,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: they do think that they should be as good as
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Ohio State. And That's crazy talk to me. So like,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: we're going to find out what exactly, I mean, they've
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: demonstrated they're willing to do the things. And what got
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Franklin in trouble also was Franklin was like, I need this, this, this,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: and this. And they were like, fine, here it is.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: And then you go out here and you lose the UCLA.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: and you lose the Northwestern. And they were like, okay, well,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: we did the things for you.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: But no, no, no, no, no. This is not guaranteed
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: to make things any better.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: This is not a job where you should be like, oh,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: we win 10 games every year.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: It ain't that.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: At least I've seen no evidence that it is that.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: But I also feel like it's this, in line with this.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: The Kansas City Chiefs have Andy Reid as their coach
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: because the Eagles are just like, we need to do
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: something different. Have the Eagles had a coach since Andy
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Reid who was better than Andy Reid?
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: No.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: But they've made three Super Bowls and won two. Yep. So, yes,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: that's fair. One last thing on this before we get
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: to the other stuff. Because I hear people are like,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: should Matt Rule go there? And I'm like, man, I
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: do not think that. Oh, write that down. Write that down.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: You think that's happening? Okay. I don't know that I
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: think that's an upgrade for Penn State. He's kind of
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: sort of the same guy. Yeah, I don't. But he's
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: a Penn State grad. Right. No, that's. I understand why
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: he would want to go there.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Am I? So this is where my college football lack
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: of institutional knowledge can hurt me. So I just want
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: to ask. Because this is one of these things I'm
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: afraid to just say on TV. Because people are like,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: you idiot. Why should they not... If they thought, hey,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: we're the eighth best team in the country and it's
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: not good enough. Why should they not just say, hey,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Nick Saban, you want to just do three years here?
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Win a national championship? You've done it at LSU. You've
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: done it at Alabama. Why not? Why should they not
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: just say, Nick Saban, come here. and win one in
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: the Big Ten and go off into the sunset.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I think in line with that point, a suggestion
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: from Ryan Brumley, nobody's much better for a three-year run
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: than Urban Meyer. And I mean, you know, if like,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: They doing the Spider-Man meme on Overlooking Scandal.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Like they all looking at
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: each other. Maybe it's a fit. Maybe it's a fit.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Everybody will hate each other by year four, but you'll
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: win a title in those first three.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Win a title. And like, yeah, in theory, you could
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: go longer with Urban. I just said three years for
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: saving because of his age. Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: You'll want Urban out of there after three. because you'll
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: be furious by fourth so yeah i mean i would
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: just try to shoot bigger than matt rule um that's
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: all all right i know you want to get back
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: to the nfl all right.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you this because we brought it
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: up just a little bit uh the buffalo bills are
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: now four and two and look this is just me
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: and my feelings about football you can't stop the run
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: you're not winning the super bowl hard stop But they've
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: also done this thing where you look on offense and
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: basically they're asking Josh Allen to do a little bit
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: of everything. And I don't feel like that's going so
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: smooth this year.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Like, am I wrong? No, no. I mean, they're asking
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen to be Superman, which, listen, I believe Josh
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Allen is unequivocally the second best quarterback in the league.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: This got me in a lot of arguments over the
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: summer because people were arguing that I had Josh Allen
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: too hot. I should have had Lamar ahead of him.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: I also think he lives in a narrative place that
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: I've never seen for superstar quarterback, which is, you've heard
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: me say this to you before, that the single best
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: life in sports is being anywhere from like the 17th
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: to the 25th best player in the NBA. I would
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: call it the Klay Thompson with the Warriors corollary, which
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: is you get paid as much as the superstar. When
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: you're awesome, you get all the credit. And when you're
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: not good, everyone's like, the superstar should have done more.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: It's just the greatest. Somehow that's where Josh Allen lives. Yes.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: He has a great game on Monday Night Football against
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: the Dolphins. And I got to listen... Mike Greenberg, who
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: is great and not a hot take guy, says, I'm
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: watching that game and I'm thinking, no one has ever
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: played the position better than Josh Allen. And then we
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: watch him on Monday night against the Falcons try to
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: do a little fancy flip pass on fourth down, not
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: do it. Turn the ball over. The team scored 14 points.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: And the conversation is, are the Bills letting Josh Allen down?
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: What the fuck? So I think he's awesome. And great.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: obviously he you know I mean he's the defending league
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: MVP but for some reason folks seem more comfortable criticizing
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Patrick after bad games than Josh which is baffling to
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: me so that's the Allen point go ahead.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: You have made the point and I think it's fair
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: and on one hand I was like Nick is, you know,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: endangering that old cookout invitation, except the cookout's at his house. So, like,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: he's still okay here. But I think that there's a...
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: I don't think you're unfair when you say that many people.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Are leery of being critical of Lamar Jackson in some
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: ways when he has come up short, right? And it's
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: because you got to be careful about the company you
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: have around you because the people that bashed him were
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: so over the top early and obviously not with, I mean, honestly,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: not with an evidentiary basis that there are people who
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: don't want to end up on that side. But while
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: that was going on, I've never, ever seen media more
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: invested in the success of anybody like they are with
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: the big galoop. Big Luke is like everybody's big son
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: that they just wanted to get it together so he
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: could get his big ass off their couch. They know
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: he can put it together if he'll just get his
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: mind right. I always felt like the most aware person
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: about Josh Allen was always Josh Allen. But I remember
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: that year three, Boomer Esiason once referred to him as the.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Great Josh Allen. And I was like, what are we
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: doing here?
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: There is a desire for people to see him do well,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: and thank goodness for him and everybody else.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: He got there. He got there.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: He turned into that guy, but you are absolutely correct.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: He is still prone to what was that, right? He's
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: still prone to good thing you throw the ball so hard,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: otherwise that guy would have intercepted it.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: He's still going to give you all these chances.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: The ceiling on him is super high, and for the
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: most part, he doesn't shake in big games anymore. But
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: I still think the panic possibility is always there with him.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: But we don't talk about him in those terms.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: It's like you say, Mike Greenberg saying, we've never seen
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: anybody play this position better.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: And that's crazy.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. That's like, that's just crazy. And again, this
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: is not... I said, you know, I said last year,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: I thought he should be the league MVP for each
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: of the last two years. I have picked an AFC
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: championship game of chiefs bills. Even two years ago when
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: people are last year, when people thought the bills were
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: maybe on the downturn, like because I do believe when
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: you have a superhuman at quarterback, your floor, you just
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: raise your floor so high, but I, here is what
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: I think is noteworthy though, Bo. Because the one thing
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: the Bills have never had since he's been there, going
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: into the playoffs, is the bye. They've never had it.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: And that's also led to a very odd playoff game
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: log for Josh, where it is every single year he
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: puts up these insane wildcard round game that they win
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: every year post his first year in the playoffs. And then...
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: And it's against Mason Rudolph or Bo Nix or Skylar Thompson.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Those teams, they play the seventh seed basically every year
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs. They blow them out. And then the
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: playoffs really start for them. This year, with their schedule
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: and the Chiefs scuttling early and the Ravens being bad
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: and Joe Burrow being injured, they had this clear path
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: to the one seed. And now they've blown it. Not
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: that they can't get the one seed, but they've blown
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: their advantage. And I think, so I think we are,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: because I do think you could have said to Josh
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: with a flawed team, you're the one seed, get the bye.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: First playoff game, we play the worst team that advances,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: they're beat up, we're arrested. Then in an AFC championship
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: game in your building, put on the cape. play the game.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Do it once for us
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: this postseason and we're in the Super Bowl. And then
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: we see they're now putting themselves in the position where
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: they're likely going to be playing the first weekend of
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: the playoffs. They're likely going to be playing a road
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: game or two in the playoffs. And I don't think
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: you can ask Josh Allen to put on the cape
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: for three straight rounds. And because they're flawed, like you said,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: that's what they're going to ask him to do. So
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: I think these were two super damaging losses the Patriots
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: and the Falcons lost last two weeks for Buffalo well.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Let's also say this right let's say they get the
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: bye yep we're looking at home games all the way
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: through in that icebox Yep. Being in the icebox makes
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: teams not throw the ball as much because it's much
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: more difficult to throw the ball in the cold, right?
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Now, the most amazing thing about those four Super Bowl
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills teams is they were running that K-gun offense.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: We think about them whipping it around, but they were
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: playing a lot of them cold-weather games, which meant they
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: had to run the ball, and they got it done.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: I have always said it was an irony of the
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers Packers.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: It's not a surprise that the year that they won
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl was the year they had to play
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: all those games on the road because that football that
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: you're playing with Aaron Rodgers is not made for playing
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: in Lambeau Field in January.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Teams are going to run it down their throats if
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: they go play those if they do get those home games.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: They're going to play against teams that are just going
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: to run it on them over and over and over
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: again and try to keep that big dude off the field. Like,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: what do you do? What do you do then?
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: And while as much as I would love for the
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Chiefs to once again host the Arrowhead Invitational in the
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: AFC Championship game, there is a part of me that because,
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: you know, this is the last year of Highmark Stadium. Yes. Oh,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: you want to close it down? Well, it's not just
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: close it down, buddy. What if the AFC championship game,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: the final game at Highmark Stadium, not only involves Patrick
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: getting to 5-0 in the playoffs against Josh, but the
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Chiefs stealing the Bills' organizational chain of the only thing
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: they have to hang their hat on for the whole
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: franchise is we are the only team to make four
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: straight Super Bowls. And in the final game of your stadium,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: the Kansas City Chiefs beat you to go to their
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: fourth straight Super Bowl. There is an element of that
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: that I really, really would like the poetry of, but
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: I prefer the game just be an arrowhead.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: But that would be pretty sick. The fact that you
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: thought it out to that level is amazing. I want
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: to make one last point on this because I know
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: we have to let you go. Um, we forget that
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Sean McDermott saved his job last year. Let's say they
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: go 11 and six. And let's say for a moment
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: that this Patriots thing is a little bit real because
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: the defense was real with Belichick. They just couldn't do
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: anything offensively. Now it's clear that they have a quarterback
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: or it looks very, I mean, it seems great quarterback.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Like it's not off the board that they could win
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: that division up there. At some point, they're going to
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: change coaches. They're not going to keep doing this, you
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: would think. Like, it's wild to have a case where
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: they haven't been to Super Bowl yet with all those years,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: same quarterback, same coach.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: So, you know, every single coach-quarterback combo that has ever
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: won a Super Bowl together, all of them won their
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: first Super Bowl together within five years. So every single
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: one that's ever won a Super Bowl together, they won
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: their first together within five years. For Harbaugh and Lamar
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: and for Sean and Josh, this is year eight. So
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: they're both, you know, trying to... Do you think it's...
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: So let's paint this scenario. The Ravens miss the playoffs,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: which right now they're a favorite to do. And the
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Bills lose in the playoffs. before the conference championship game.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Do you think it's on the board both of those
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: coaches get fired?
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: I think Harbaugh is done because it just makes too
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: much sense.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: I think, what's his name? Brandon Bean is the guy
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: in charge of Buffalo.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Bean and McDermott are so.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers attached at the hip that maybe that makes
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: it too difficult, but that's what owners are for. Like
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: at some point, the big boys got to come from
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: upstairs and be like, hey, You know, I was still
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: thinking about that 9-11 shit he said that one time,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: and I just think it's time for us to do
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: something about it.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't, I think it's really on the, and again,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: I think Harbaugh and McDermott are both good coaches.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: But I think at some point, and let me ask
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: one other Buffalo thing.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: By the way, the James Franklin analogy fits with why
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: those guys have to go.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, for sure. Let me ask you one other thing.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: What do you think would be more damaging for McDermott
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: if they don't make the Super Bowl? Losing to the
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Steelers and Aaron Rodgers in round two or losing to
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: the Chiefs again?
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Yo, that's tough because with the losing of the Chiefs,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: it's well, it's never going to happen.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Losing to the Steelers is, ew, we took a step back. Correct.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: So that's where I think he's kind of screwed, barring
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: making the Super Bowl. You are either going to lose
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: a game where you are a big favorite, or you're
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: going to lose for the fifth time in six years
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: to the same team. Like, either way, there's no... Like,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: in a weird way... the best thing for McDermott would
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: have been an awesome Ravens team. Yes. And the best
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: thing if they're not going to make the Super Bowl.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Like if they lost in the AFC title game to
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: the Ravens in Baltimore. And it's like, okay, you know
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: what I mean? Hey, that happens. We've shown we can
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: beat this team in the playoffs. They've now beaten us
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs. But when the quarterbacks in these AFC playoffs,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: it's looking like it's going to be Drake May's first
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: career start, you know, Daniel Jones, Bo Nix, Herbert, who's
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: a good player but has never won a playoff game
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: if he gets there, 42-year-old Aaron Rodgers. I'm leaving somebody out,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: but regardless. Oh, Trevor, my guy, the prince. I mean,
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: he's one of the greatest playoff competitors. And then Josh
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: and Patrick, like, you can't lose to any of those
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: guys if you're Josh, so it's a tough spot. That
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: is Nick Wright. Check him out.
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