Latest / The Euro Legions Podcast / 90. The Final Countdown (Legions Con 2024)

Transcript

90. The Final Countdown (Legions Con 2024) · The Euro Legions Podcast

• 0:07
  My wallet is sobbing. Welcome to the Euro Legions
• 0:37
  Podcast episode 90. This week we're going to have
• 0:42
  three interviews with one with David Williams and Thomas
• 0:47
  Ballet. David is customizer.
• 0:49
  Of course, you all know him from the community and he's going to
• 0:53
  talk about what he's going to be bringing to his booth with Wolf
• 0:56
  King Customs. And Thomas is a toy
• 0:59
  photographer. He's also been a street retailer
• 1:02
  recently. He's going to talk about his
• 1:04
  experiences doing that and also what he's expecting from Legions
• 1:09
  Khan and what he's looking to pick up as a talk photographer
• 1:12
  and kind of, you know, just a little insight into into what
• 1:17
  it's going to be like for him at the con.
• 1:19
  Then we'll have Eugene Eunuch. He is going to talk to us about
• 1:24
  what he's going to bring to his table.
• 1:26
  That's Doctor Grimm customs table, so we'll talk all about
• 1:31
  that. Eugene is a great painter, great
• 1:33
  customizer. He always has fun, exciting
• 1:36
  takes on stuff. So it'll be very interesting to
• 1:40
  find out from him what to what to expect there.
• 1:43
  And last but not least, we have Chris James.
• 1:45
  He is running the Pop and Swap event this year at Legions Con,
• 1:50
  which is going to be on on this Saturday evening.
• 1:52
  So he'll talk to us all about what it's going to, what it's
• 1:55
  going to be like, what you know, what are the rules, kind of
• 1:58
  clarifying what you can and can't bring and also what to
• 2:01
  what to expect from that. So that's a very exciting thing
• 2:05
  that's kind of been officialized this year at the at Legions
• 2:09
  console. Very fun.
• 2:11
  Bring your bring your Legions father.
• 2:13
  Don't forget to pack a bit of it in your bag and take advantage
• 2:15
  of that opportunity to maybe pick up some parts that you
• 2:19
  thought you were never going to get your hands on.
• 2:22
  So that's all from me. And just a quick note that Rich
• 2:26
  is in the interview with David and Thomas, but he wasn't
• 2:31
  available the day we recorded the interviews with Eugene and
• 2:35
  Chris. So just so you know, if you
• 2:38
  don't hear from the second-half of the show, that's why.
• 2:41
  OK, I'm off to start packing my stuff for Allegiance Khan as
• 2:44
  very exciting. It's going to be next week, just
• 2:46
  a little travel day in between, but I'll see you all.
• 2:49
  If you're going to intern, I'll see you there.
• 2:52
  If not, I'll see you when you arrive at the con and make sure
• 2:55
  to come up and talk to us, call us names, slag us off for you
• 3:00
  know what we have and haven't said on the show.
• 3:02
  So that should be fun. And next week there will be
• 3:05
  another little episode popping into your feet early in the
• 3:07
  week. That's what the one and only
• 3:09
  Jeremy Gerard to give us a little insight at the con from
• 3:13
  his perspective, one of the men behind Legions Con.
• 3:16
  So would be very interesting and maybe we'll try and squeeze a
• 3:19
  little hint or two as to what to expect from G Con out of Jeremy.
• 3:24
  He never know. We're going to try our best
• 3:26
  anyway, OK Won't keep you too long because there's lots of
• 3:29
  interviews to get through. So enjoy.
• 3:38
  All right, welcome back to another, your allegiance
• 3:41
  interview tonight. We're going right across the
• 3:44
  pond all the way to Arizona, and what would normally be Arizona
• 3:48
  is actually right across to Normandy, just across the water
• 3:52
  from Richard Mal and just up the road a couple hours from me.
• 3:56
  It's so from Arizona. We have Dave Williams.
• 3:59
  You all know him. He's now designing pins for the
• 4:03
  horsemen and stuff. He's, you know, had a tribute
• 4:06
  figure made into an actual figure and he's a cool artist.
• 4:12
  How are you, David? I'm great man, thank you for
• 4:14
  having me. Yeah, no problem.
• 4:16
  Great to have you back on the show.
• 4:17
  And of course, other member of the Arizona Trio and we don't
• 4:23
  have Sam on, but we have Thomas Ballet.
• 4:26
  How are you, Thomas? Doing excellent.
• 4:28
  Thanks for having me guys. You're getting over your jet lag
• 4:31
  there in western France. Yeah, a little bit of jet lag,
• 4:36
  but surviving. Very good.
• 4:39
  And what's the plan? You just visiting people in
• 4:41
  France for a while and then. Yeah, spending the week with my
• 4:45
  grandparents and, you know, they're in their 90s, so taking
• 4:50
  advantage of spending time with them while I still can and
• 4:54
  eating a lot of good French food that I can't get in Arizona.
• 4:58
  Yeah, Thomas will be, you know, he's he's a, he's a, a spelt guy
• 5:03
  as it is. But you know, he might have a
• 5:04
  little punch on him after this trip, you know, for just just in
• 5:07
  time for leads. It's gone.
• 5:09
  No harm, you can. Afford it, Thomas, you can
• 5:11
  afford it. If any, if anybody, if anybody
• 5:13
  asks, I was with Thomas. That's why I've got a slight
• 5:15
  punch. I'm going to say slight quite a
• 5:17
  lot. Cool, and then you're off to my
• 5:23
  own country as well. Yes, Sir, taking a ferry from
• 5:27
  Shambu. Oh, that's, I've done that trip
• 5:29
  a lot of times. Yeah.
• 5:30
  Did you get I hope you got a cabin.
• 5:32
  We did, yeah. Yeah, I think it's 18 hours on
• 5:35
  the ferry. Yeah.
• 5:37
  Yeah, it's not. I think it leaves around 4430 in
• 5:39
  the afternoon and you get there at about 11 the next morning so.
• 5:42
  That's exactly it. Get on, get a good few bit of
• 5:46
  food, few pints, go to bed, wake up, you're there.
• 5:50
  That way. Cool and right.
• 5:54
  And so, David, how's the leaders can't prep bone?
• 5:58
  Are you panicking like all these other people we've been talking
• 6:00
  to? Not quite.
• 6:04
  I've been painting throughout the year and I've had a couple
• 6:08
  of really, yeah, a couple of really good days where I've just
• 6:11
  been able to go, you know, 10 in the morning till 8:00 at night
• 6:16
  and just paint all day uninterrupted.
• 6:18
  So I'm pretty much prepared. The T-shirts that I ordered from
• 6:22
  Dave Orkin are finished, so he'll bring those there and I'll
• 6:26
  roll them up and have them all ready to go.
• 6:28
  But yeah, it's, it's been a surprisingly stress free Regents
• 6:34
  con preparation. And now I'm just like, just
• 6:37
  excited. Yeah.
• 6:39
  Oh yeah, well that's the problem now.
• 6:41
  We have a couple of weeks still to wait, although when this
• 6:44
  episode is released it might be a bit closer to Legions console.
• 6:47
  That'll be fun for the people listening.
• 6:49
  But yeah, we have, we have another 3-4 weeks depending on
• 6:54
  when you're going to arrive. But no, that's because you're a
• 6:57
  veteran now, David, you know, you know that you need to start
• 7:00
  painting, you know, back in February when you, your people
• 7:02
  are like, oh, you know, I don't feel like it.
• 7:04
  You're like, yeah, I gotta do one or two, you know, keep it
• 7:07
  over. I'll take commissions throughout
• 7:10
  the year, yeah, here and there, like a head or two.
• 7:14
  So it kind of keeps me sharp. And then I, you know, I, I love
• 7:19
  making customs. If it wasn't for making any
• 7:22
  money or anything like that. I like, I just make them because
• 7:25
  I, I enjoy them. I really, really enjoy this
• 7:29
  line. And as it progresses and changes
• 7:31
  with new parts and new characters, it just makes it
• 7:34
  more exciting. Like I, I already have stuff in
• 7:37
  the works. Like all I got to get in hand is
• 7:42
  the Legions con exclusives and the retailer wave and I'll have
• 7:49
  another set of customs that I'm like ready to do based on some
• 7:52
  of those parts that that. Retailer Wave is sneaking up on
• 7:56
  this. I think it'll be here.
• 7:57
  It'll be the kind of post legions con or maybe even pre, I
• 7:59
  don't know, but let's say for sure post legions con kind of.
• 8:04
  Yeah, I think the street, Yeah, St. dates late, I think the
• 8:09
  29th. That's right, Chad.
• 8:10
  These are St. Yeah, yeah, So, so.
• 8:13
  Hopefully we'll, you know, we'll get a get a little breather.
• 8:17
  Oh, wasn't that the one? Yeah, what?
• 8:18
  I said Melvin, when we got the street date, I was like, oh
• 8:21
  thank God, it's actually just coming because.
• 8:25
  We had this. Like we've done a group
• 8:27
  pre-order with the with the retailer and so it's like over a
• 8:31
  grand would have had to go. Yeah, that's a, that's a cool
• 8:36
  wave too. I it is super excited about
• 8:38
  that. One Oh yeah, that Fisher Rice
• 8:41
  is, is coming. It's coming a lot of boxes that
• 8:44
  is coming over here. I think I ordered 5 of that guy.
• 8:48
  I think I worked out ordered 8 of them.
• 8:53
  So yeah, Mel did his own little order as well on top yeah of our
• 8:58
  group order. Love it.
• 9:00
  His own group order. Yeah.
• 9:03
  And then the figure obscura is like I, I tend to order 2 figure
• 9:08
  obscuras, like one to open, one to keep in the package just
• 9:11
  because it's, I mean, the packaging is part of the
• 9:14
  experience now, you know, like there's such nice boxes.
• 9:19
  So with the retailer stuff, it's cool to get those figures to use
• 9:23
  for parts because they tend to have so much new stuff.
• 9:29
  And this will be the first retailer wave that I get all of
• 9:33
  them. So I mean, who knows, maybe
• 9:38
  they're, you know, even cooler out-of-the-box.
• 9:40
  And now I'm like, well, I got to buy another one.
• 9:43
  Yeah, I mean, it's great to get that Monkey King again and and
• 9:47
  in the kind of slightly different colors, slightly
• 9:50
  broader gold and a few different things.
• 9:52
  Yeah, I like, I like that Jacob Marley a lot too, like the
• 9:55
  darker colors. Yeah, yeah, you don't always
• 9:58
  need to translucent figure, do you know?
• 10:01
  I do. I love them, yeah.
• 10:07
  Yeah, I just, yeah, I just, yeah, I just used the Jacob
• 10:11
  Marley for a custom and I was like, yeah, just translucent
• 10:15
  parts. I kind of shame to paint them,
• 10:17
  you know, that's what I was feeling.
• 10:20
  But yeah, I'm, I'm actually like with with that Fisher ice.
• 10:24
  I'm like, I'm really loving doing cosmic customs.
• 10:27
  And this last year, you know, you know, as cosmic has come
• 10:31
  out, it's I just find maybe there's just they fire my
• 10:35
  imagination more for that kind of stuff because you can do
• 10:37
  absolutely anything with whereas with mythic you kind of have to
• 10:42
  stay in the realm a little bit. Sure.
• 10:45
  You know, maybe you can't do those bright colors as much in
• 10:48
  mythic. I mean, they have done them with
• 10:50
  the MO 2 tributes, some of them at least.
• 10:52
  But but there's a reason for that.
• 10:54
  I don't think we could put a kind of a fluorescent barbarian
• 10:57
  in there anywhere, you know. Yeah, well, now it's kind of
• 11:02
  thinking maybe give it a go. You know what else is going to
• 11:07
  be cool after After Levinson is having having a Magnus head in
• 11:13
  circulation. Like something to be able to
• 11:15
  paint. That's a cool head.
• 11:17
  And and that you. Atlas two, Yeah, that's.
• 11:22
  That's cool. Like Magnus is the kind of more
• 11:24
  standard head. So there will be more of them
• 11:26
  because Atlas is the exclusive. But yeah, if you pick up two or
• 11:30
  three boxes of them, you you will have definitely one or two
• 11:34
  atlases to to do what you want with.
• 11:36
  For sure. We could, we could.
• 11:38
  That's a good way for people to customize those to maybe get an
• 11:42
  atom on into their collection. For sure it'll.
• 11:44
  Be the cheapest way you know uncanned isn't easy enough
• 11:49
  repaint you know in terms of getting all the parts together.
• 11:53
  But yeah, Adam on Celtics, you couldn't get the Celtics with
• 11:57
  Sir Gerard kind of sorted that one.
• 12:00
  And this one is going to help you do your custom Adam on and
• 12:05
  and Thomas, in terms of the photography, are you going to
• 12:08
  bring any prints to Legion's counter anthem or?
• 12:11
  Yeah, I I've been toying around with the idea of doing some
• 12:15
  prints. Last time we we spoke on the
• 12:18
  podcast, I was doing the the photography panel for the
• 12:22
  Phoenix. How did that?
• 12:25
  Go. So that was fantastic.
• 12:27
  We had a great turn out and that's what motivated me to do
• 12:31
  my first set of prints. And it was really cool to get
• 12:35
  just my work in like a physical form instead of just digital on
• 12:39
  the iPhone, you know. So seeing them all printed out
• 12:42
  was just really cool. So I've been toying around with
• 12:45
  the idea of bringing some prints to the con as far as, you know,
• 12:49
  quantities or which ones. That's still something I'm going
• 12:52
  to decide. Well, I'm on vacation here and
• 12:54
  I'll probably be ordering them on a fairy to Ireland, you know?
• 12:58
  Yeah. Oh yeah.
• 13:00
  One thing. One big piece of advice for that
• 13:03
  ferry is switch your phone off roaming mode or whatever because
• 13:07
  they have this. You can get it, you can get
• 13:10
  Internet on the ferry, you can get a Wi-Fi, but you can also
• 13:13
  get the phone reception. But the rate is like crazy.
• 13:18
  It's it's like outside of anything.
• 13:20
  It's like it's like €10 a MB or something like this.
• 13:23
  It's crazy. So don't touch it.
• 13:27
  So be careful. I got done by that.
• 13:29
  I lost £50 by that one of the trips.
• 13:32
  So that fifty was all right, you know, considering how it could
• 13:36
  have gone because in the EU they have this cap on roaming.
• 13:42
  If you're in the EU, you can use your mobile data in any country
• 13:46
  for the say, you know, it cover. It's whatever plan you have a
• 13:49
  bit like I guess in America, you know.
• 13:52
  So it works, but international waters is outside of that zone.
• 13:59
  Lesson learned. So, but cool.
• 14:03
  Yeah, well, I mean, even even if you got a couple of prints
• 14:05
  together just to to kind of show your work or even just to kind
• 14:08
  of hand out a few promotional things, that would already be
• 14:11
  awesome. Get a few more eyes on.
• 14:13
  Because there is so many great photographers and it is hard to
• 14:18
  kind of stand out from the pack without kind of putting yourself
• 14:22
  out there. So it's a really cool way, I
• 14:25
  think, physical. We're all collectors.
• 14:27
  So having a physical thing, you know, I know it definitely snap
• 14:30
  up prints. I mean, I got some art prints
• 14:32
  from you last year, David, and I couldn't believe you were
• 14:35
  selling them for $5.00. So that was already a huge
• 14:38
  bonus. And yeah, I just love them.
• 14:41
  I just love having those, you know?
• 14:43
  Yeah. We were, we were talking in the
• 14:45
  back backroom, like all all the physical stuff that you can get
• 14:51
  from this community is just so fun.
• 14:53
  Yeah. Whether it's, you know, pins or
• 14:55
  stickers or prints for, for some of that stuff, I, I frame it and
• 15:00
  I put it up and then something that I just, I have like a like
• 15:03
  a, an area in my toolbox where I just like, I have a stack of
• 15:08
  neat stuff. Yeah, you know.
• 15:10
  Exactly. It's just cool to to have, Yeah.
• 15:13
  I mean, even like, for example, door.
• 15:15
  Claire just put up a post yesterday as we're talking a
• 15:19
  couple of pins in different color ways and a shirt and those
• 15:22
  are 5 bucks pre-orders like boom, straight away.
• 15:26
  It's like straight in right there, you know.
• 15:29
  And then of course, the the beauty of that is because we're
• 15:32
  all going to legions con, you can collect them there.
• 15:34
  So there's no crap with with shipping, whether you're in the
• 15:39
  states or international shipping is still a pain.
• 15:41
  So great to to be able to pick them up there.
• 15:45
  Now you guys, you guys pack a couple extra empty bags, right?
• 15:51
  Yes, that right, Rich. Empty.
• 15:53
  Empty. Yeah, there's, there's, there's
• 15:55
  not much in my bag. Well, apart from this, if I'm
• 15:57
  going to try and sell, but generally, yeah, the bags are
• 15:59
  pretty empty when I come over. Yeah, yeah, that's what I do.
• 16:02
  I I, my suitcase is nearly empty.
• 16:05
  I just have like, the heads Len LaGuardia provides me with,
• 16:09
  like, the headstand. Yeah.
• 16:12
  So, so that way I don't have to have like, a fragile giant piece
• 16:16
  of wood in a suitcase. So essentially my my suitcase is
• 16:19
  empty when I get there and I just bring a backpack with some
• 16:22
  clothes in it. Yeah, I'm probably going to try
• 16:27
  this year. Apart from the Armory, do not
• 16:30
  buy too many figures from the Horsemen, No.
• 16:35
  And if I do buy anything like I'll buy the exclusives, but I'm
• 16:39
  sure I've just realized I don't do anything with those boxes
• 16:41
  anyway. So I'm just going to probably
• 16:44
  RIP the figures out and put them in as kind of singles because
• 16:49
  then it takes up hardly any room.
• 16:50
  Whereas if you're trying to figure out the boxes, you know,
• 16:53
  even like the first year I went, I actually offered to bring back
• 16:56
  some exclusives in box for people.
• 16:58
  I realized that was a bad idea. You know, I ended up having to
• 17:02
  buy an extra luggage bag even I had, I had two bag allowance,
• 17:08
  but I only brought one bag because I thought, yeah, I
• 17:10
  didn't need it and ended up having to buy like a $20 sports
• 17:14
  bag just to tell you. And it was just literally these
• 17:16
  boxes. And then they're going to get
• 17:18
  dinged, you know. So even at that point, you know,
• 17:21
  it's not going to be perfect. It's not going to be like
• 17:23
  getting this shipped in a in a nice bubble wrapped, you know,
• 17:27
  sealed box. They're going to pay out of
• 17:30
  Rich's book and just ripping them all open.
• 17:32
  Oh yeah, that come in the suitcase.
• 17:35
  No. If you can't do that when I'm
• 17:36
  not in the room, that would be great.
• 17:39
  John, if I only, if I only buy two things, I'm going to make
• 17:41
  sure I'm boxing when you're there.
• 17:44
  Even if you leave the room, I might follow you down the hall
• 17:46
  just like unboxing them as you go.
• 17:48
  I'll tell you what, we record a podcast of Rich just unboxing
• 17:51
  and it's just going to be 45 minutes of just like ASMR
• 17:56
  plastic crinkling. So if anyone's into that,
• 17:59
  that'll be episode 100 of this podcast.
• 18:02
  I'm planning on getting as much this year so.
• 18:05
  There's a couple of Youtubers that that open the package on
• 18:09
  the video and it drives you nuts man.
• 18:11
  It's absolute worst. Yeah, I mean, even like I know
• 18:18
  some part of some like live stream shows, OK, that's
• 18:21
  unavoidable in a way, but maybe mute and let somebody else talk.
• 18:26
  But yeah, that that is what it's.
• 18:29
  Did your wife just walk in the room there, Rich, when you said
• 18:31
  I'm not going to buy as much this year?
• 18:36
  No, but she might watch the recording, so I just got to, you
• 18:38
  know. Wow, another loyal listener from
• 18:43
  Bristol. I just thought you were the only
• 18:45
  one. What I did last year for
• 18:49
  bringing the figures back was I, I just put everything in a big
• 18:53
  cardboard box, 1 of the, you know, case cases from the four
• 18:57
  Horsemen. I just lined it all up and I
• 18:59
  checked that in as my luggage. The airline let's you check, you
• 19:03
  know, big cardboard box as your luggage.
• 19:05
  I only had a carry on on my way there and I had one luggage
• 19:09
  allowed. So just big box and it was a
• 19:13
  one, it was a direct flight, so. Yeah.
• 19:16
  Yeah, when it's a direct flight, that's yeah, I go out of my way
• 19:19
  to to make sure I get that direct flight if I can, because
• 19:23
  as soon as you have to change, you know, no, last year not
• 19:27
  getting a direct flight because I had a had a punctured tire on
• 19:31
  the way to the airport. So I was lucky to get there, but
• 19:34
  there was no mess ups. But, and I think the reason
• 19:37
  there was no mess ups is because I had to collect my bag in the
• 19:41
  ended up in Washington airport or the Dulles or something.
• 19:45
  I ended up having to take that off the carriage, baggage
• 19:49
  carriage and actually bring it to some other carriage set and
• 19:51
  put it on. So I actually physically brought
• 19:53
  my bag to the next flight. But I think if you're relying on
• 19:57
  them transferring your bag, best of luck.
• 19:59
  Yeah, I can vouch for that because I tried this.
• 20:01
  I did the same approach coming home from Ishcon when me, David
• 20:05
  and Sam went out there and they left my bags in Dallas.
• 20:10
  They flew me home to Phoenix. But remember chatting.
• 20:14
  To you on the on the messenger or whatever and you were telling
• 20:17
  me that you had the bag a nightmare, but you eventually
• 20:19
  got it. Yeah, it was two days later and
• 20:22
  showed up in Phoenix was. Wow.
• 20:24
  And you had, I suppose you had some stuff you bought in that
• 20:26
  bag and all that kind of stuff. Oh yeah, I mean, it was, it was
• 20:30
  literally just a Four Horsemen shipping box full of figures.
• 20:35
  Oh wow. I was.
• 20:37
  I mean, I can lose my socks and underwears all day.
• 20:39
  That would have been well, how was Ishkhan boys?
• 20:44
  Did you have a table there, David?
• 20:45
  Or I know you know you did the reveal of the awesome figure,
• 20:49
  obviously. Yeah, no, I I knew about the
• 20:52
  reveal, which is why I went. Yeah.
• 20:54
  And and then I just kind of convinced Thomas that it should
• 20:59
  be. It would be fun.
• 21:02
  And I think he, I think he, he agrees.
• 21:04
  Yes, he agrees. Yeah, yeah, I.
• 21:06
  Think you've got time? Much convincing.
• 21:09
  No, we were we were doing a toy show together and and we were
• 21:12
  talking about upcoming conventions and how we we had
• 21:16
  missed Mesquite con and he was like, I'm thinking about going
• 21:19
  to ish con. I'm like, I'm definitely going.
• 21:21
  We can share a room, like just just come.
• 21:24
  It'll be fun, you know, all the while knowing that I'm like,
• 21:27
  it's going to be pretty cool for me.
• 21:32
  And and what is super? Special.
• 21:35
  How is the the toy community in Arizona then?
• 21:38
  Like is it a growing thing? Is it a thing that's always
• 21:41
  existed or? It's let's say it's growing, is
• 21:47
  growing, but as far as our legions community, it's it's
• 21:51
  pretty small and tight knit. There's a handful of us not not
• 21:57
  too many. I think.
• 21:59
  I mean David and I met in New Jersey for the first time.
• 22:02
  So tells you how closely knit our Arizona.
• 22:06
  Crew is, yeah. Since then, I think we've gotten
• 22:09
  a lot closer, But that was one of the big things that kind of
• 22:14
  enticed us to do. A street team in Arizona was,
• 22:17
  you know, there's not that many people that are familiar with
• 22:21
  the line, or if they are, they've never held the figures
• 22:25
  in hand. You know, that was a great
• 22:27
  opportunity to get people to, you know, hold these figures and
• 22:31
  see what they're really like. So it's definitely growing, I
• 22:35
  think more every every month, every reveal, you know, there's
• 22:39
  more and more people coming aboard.
• 22:41
  Yeah. How?
• 22:42
  Did the street team? Thing go.
• 22:47
  Thomas. Oh, the street team was
• 22:49
  fantastic. Man, I I didn't know what to
• 22:52
  expect. I talking with Jeremy.
• 22:54
  I was, you know, looking at quantities, how much to order
• 22:58
  and it was, you know, first time, first time around.
• 23:00
  So it's a little daunting, right?
• 23:03
  Don't want to order too much and and then end up with a bunch of
• 23:07
  stock and don't want to order too little and then just not
• 23:12
  really have a good representation.
• 23:14
  So I think we had a really good spread.
• 23:16
  We got both mythic and cosmic. Jeremy kind of helped me decide
• 23:20
  the figures. Give give me some, you know,
• 23:23
  tips on which ones, you know, are going to be the best ones.
• 23:26
  And then obviously we had a representative from 4 Horsemen,
• 23:31
  Mr. David Williams, you know, artist for the studio.
• 23:35
  So that was a big selling point. It's a really good show that we
• 23:40
  did it at. It's a show that happens almost
• 23:42
  quarterly in Phoenix. So there's a good attendance.
• 23:46
  A lot of folks that we're already familiar with in the
• 23:48
  community, but they're not too familiar with Four Horsemen
• 23:51
  products. So it was kind of introducing
• 23:55
  already toy collectors to this line.
• 23:58
  And since then I've had to make a couple of actual St. team
• 24:03
  deliveries post convention people messaging me.
• 24:06
  Hey, do you still have any of those four Horsemen figures?
• 24:11
  Got any of those figures, huh? Yeah.
• 24:12
  This plastic crack dealer, he's throwing them in the car and I'm
• 24:17
  meeting them at the local gas station.
• 24:21
  All right, funny, we were in Arizona, boys, huh?
• 24:27
  And David was like being being an official ambassador of the
• 24:31
  Horsemen then. It was, it's such a surreal
• 24:35
  thing. I'll, I'll forever have kind of
• 24:37
  an imposter syndrome when it comes to that.
• 24:40
  But it, it was, it was really fun to get to represent like, or
• 24:47
  just like show people those toys because we, we brought a bunch
• 24:51
  of figures that were out of package so we could hand them to
• 24:53
  people and have them play with them and mess with them.
• 24:56
  And because of the way we had it set up, there were so many
• 25:01
  people that walked up like, what is this, like, what are you guys
• 25:03
  doing? And to be able to like hand them
• 25:07
  a figure and tell them all about it, but on a much more intimate
• 25:10
  level because of our, you know, relationship with the studio,
• 25:14
  like just all of us together. It, it was a lot of fun.
• 25:20
  Like it was, it was just a super special feeling to be like, this
• 25:26
  is, you know, it's our thing too, you know?
• 25:29
  Absolutely, Yeah, Yeah. What about when you're, you
• 25:35
  know, when you've got a customer in the tattoo studio?
• 25:37
  Does it ever come up about? Yeah, I.
• 25:40
  Figures and stuff. Like that I I have mythic
• 25:43
  legions figures like all over my station.
• 25:46
  I have a bookcase behind me and people are curious, like it's
• 25:52
  definitely not your average tattoo shop decor.
• 25:58
  So they'll ask about them and, and you know, sometimes we're
• 26:00
  sitting there for 2-3 hours and we run out of what do you do for
• 26:04
  a living? But you know, how was your
• 26:06
  morning? What kind of shows do you like?
• 26:08
  And they're like, So what are you doing?
• 26:09
  I'm like, I paint toys and that becomes a whole conversation in
• 26:15
  which just goes straight to mythic legions.
• 26:17
  But there are a couple of clients I've had that are toy
• 26:22
  collectors and they usually do like the Mezco stuff or Funko
• 26:26
  Pops. But it's surprising how many
• 26:28
  people know what mythic legions are or figure obscure us
• 26:32
  specifically because that one's so much more varied that it's
• 26:38
  the same as a toy show. Like I'll hand them one of the
• 26:40
  figures and they'll mess with it.
• 26:42
  And they're like, so you can just order these.
• 26:43
  And it's been really cool that they've been having this in
• 26:47
  stock sale because I've, I've had a couple of people that
• 26:49
  order figures on the spot and they're like, well, I want to
• 26:52
  try, you know, I had one client that I told him the 1000 Swigs
• 26:57
  story and he was like, can I buy that figure?
• 26:59
  And I'm like, yeah, bought it on the spot.
• 27:02
  Awesome, just about everyone when we get to the Anthropilias
• 27:07
  conversation, you know, should we get there, they'll they'll
• 27:12
  usually go on big Dad and pre-order one or wow, because
• 27:15
  they're like, yeah, my tattoo artist has a has a toy.
• 27:18
  I'm going to, I'm going to get it, you know, of course.
• 27:21
  Yeah. And then at some point you might
• 27:23
  have to do a tattoo of him on on somebody you know or you know.
• 27:26
  I've considered I have a spot like on my thigh that I can
• 27:29
  still reach. You could do it yourself.
• 27:32
  Have you done tattoos on yourself?
• 27:33
  Yeah. Oh, a ton of them, yeah.
• 27:35
  Wow, that's, that's not, that's not too kind of weird or, you
• 27:40
  know, kind of, I don't know how to explain it because I've never
• 27:44
  had a tattoo, so I've never given a tattoo.
• 27:46
  So I don't know. Now you kind of, you kind of
• 27:48
  separate yourself from, you know, you're the worker, you're,
• 27:51
  you're working as opposed to like just feeling it, you know,
• 27:56
  I mean, I, I don't need to go into detail, but I, I have
• 28:00
  tattooed myself quite a bit. And it's usually just weird
• 28:02
  little things that I can knock out in a second or really
• 28:06
  tedious work that no one really wants to do.
• 28:11
  You know, like, like I, I, my leg is all black.
• 28:16
  Like I, I tattooed my, my leg and it was just, nobody wants to
• 28:20
  really do that. So I sat in the shop for about 5
• 28:23
  hours and had a couple of beers and just tattooed myself and it
• 28:27
  was, you know, after hours. I don't do that stuff while
• 28:29
  while we're. Open.
• 28:30
  Like it's like no one wants to base coat, you know, a troll
• 28:34
  figure. From Yeah, it's the.
• 28:36
  Same type of thing, you know, get that spray can out.
• 28:41
  Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
• 28:43
  It's it's I was wondering, do you know, because people always
• 28:46
  say, you know, you shouldn't get a like a this is not relevant
• 28:49
  for you or man now Rich, but you shouldn't get a haircut from
• 28:52
  somebody that has a bad haircut themselves.
• 28:55
  And I say, yeah, but they can they can't give themselves their
• 28:57
  own haircut, you know? Yeah.
• 29:00
  But at the same time, if they let if they have a bad haircut,
• 29:03
  that is a bad sign. Let's be honest.
• 29:04
  I. Always think then tattooers with
• 29:07
  the bad tattoos are some of the better tattooers because it's
• 29:12
  like yeah, yeah I mean I've been getting tattooed since 1997 and
• 29:17
  all my. Tattoos they have, yeah.
• 29:19
  My tattoos are awful. Like things that were cool in
• 29:23
  1997 are not cool anymore, you know, which is why a lot of this
• 29:28
  stuff is blacked out and covered up.
• 29:31
  And I, I use that to my advantage when people have an
• 29:36
  idea or a concept that I'm like, you know, take it from the guy
• 29:40
  with three black limbs, like cover ups that like, maybe I
• 29:48
  have a better idea of what would be best for you, you know, or,
• 29:52
  you know, and while still keeping their design in mind and
• 29:56
  everything, you know, you know, all the, the qualities of it,
• 29:59
  but. Do you get a lot of like sports
• 30:02
  people in, you know, whether it be especially professional
• 30:05
  sports people? Because I mean, I saw this thing
• 30:07
  the other day online of like all these famous footballers like,
• 30:09
  and most of the really well known like so soccer players
• 30:12
  we're talking about here. And they're all like full back
• 30:16
  tattoos and, you know, kind of full leg tattoos, whatever.
• 30:20
  Really these days we we had a couple of the University of
• 30:23
  Arizona guys get tattooed over the years.
• 30:29
  I don't. My style doesn't really lend
• 30:31
  itself to gotcha the general public.
• 30:35
  Like I'll take walk insurance and whatever, but if you look at
• 30:37
  my work, it's like, oh, that's the guy who does the weird
• 30:40
  spooky stuff, you know? So I just kind of stick to that.
• 30:46
  Gotcha. Gotcha.
• 30:47
  And do you have tattoos, Thomas or?
• 30:50
  Yeah. Yeah, a couple.
• 30:53
  Yeah, very good. None from David or not.
• 30:57
  Yet. No, not yet.
• 30:59
  But. Certainly bound to happen.
• 31:02
  And apart from the my wife's going to kill me crew, have you
• 31:04
  done any kind of legions related tattoos and anyone ever?
• 31:09
  Not really IA lot of some of the armor references, like if I do
• 31:14
  like a like an armored character, like I'll do Knights
• 31:17
  or skeletons or whatever, and that's just stuff I like to
• 31:21
  draw, but I'll throw in a piece of the legions armor just as
• 31:27
  like a little nod and it fits perfectly.
• 31:30
  I mean, it's yeah, for the most part they've they've done such a
• 31:34
  good job of creating fantasy armor that looks functional that
• 31:39
  it you know, it looks cool in a picture.
• 31:42
  So and that's just my own personal touch on it.
• 31:45
  Nobody. I never tell people this is from
• 31:47
  a toy like this. It's from your, it's from your
• 31:51
  own knowledge bank in your head, you know.
• 31:52
  Yeah, exactly. It's from a toy.
• 31:53
  It doesn't really matter, does it?
• 31:55
  But I have yeah. I've seen like, you know,
• 31:58
  historical armor over the years. And when you look at the Legion
• 32:01
  stuff, like especially those, you know, the plates that kind
• 32:04
  of line up on each other kind of and go in like a stairs almost.
• 32:08
  That's very historically accurate to a lot of different
• 32:11
  types of armor. There you go.
• 32:12
  The valiant night Thomas has it had to bring some figures.
• 32:14
  Which which figures did you bring on holiday then?
• 32:16
  So Skelly, Legion builder, obviously the classy A Valiant
• 32:21
  knife. They are such.
• 32:22
  Good, there's those two. Brought a snag along and I
• 32:26
  brought a plundering. I've got a plundering.
• 32:28
  I bring it all cool. Everywhere with me.
• 32:30
  My plundering has been Italy. It's been all over the place.
• 32:34
  So brilliant. Cool.
• 32:36
  Shall we look at some of the stuff?
• 32:38
  So, David, what table are you at?
• 32:40
  I know you're in the Wolf King area.
• 32:42
  Is it same as last year? Yeah, it's the same spot, just
• 32:45
  about. It's like a little like I'll be
• 32:47
  the next table over. I'm sharing with Steven Bosati.
• 32:50
  Oh, good luck with. That.
• 32:52
  Yeah, but which is pretty cool. Like we've, we've had a little
• 32:59
  conversation about how it's like, it's kind of cool that we
• 33:03
  both got tributes. And so I, I actually made
• 33:07
  stickers. I got permission from the
• 33:09
  studio. We're not going to sell them.
• 33:10
  They're going to be giveaways. But I made stickers of the the
• 33:14
  heads of our 2 characters to give away.
• 33:17
  Nice. So that's a pretty neat little
• 33:21
  thing. Wouldn't happen to be this,
• 33:23
  would it? It would happen to be that.
• 33:25
  Yeah, it's exactly. Yeah, there's one we prepared
• 33:30
  earlier. Yeah.
• 33:31
  Yeah, it's very cool. Yeah.
• 33:32
  Yeah. So that's those are going to be
• 33:34
  free at the table. I think I ordered 250 of each.
• 33:38
  So it's they're two separate stickers.
• 33:40
  Is it one of each? Yeah.
• 33:41
  Yeah, they're, they're laser cut, so they're the shape of the
• 33:44
  character, I think. Yeah.
• 33:46
  Oh, that's sweet. I think they're 3 inches tall.
• 33:50
  They're neat stickers. And I I love Steven.
• 33:52
  I think he's just such a cool guy.
• 33:54
  Like, especially in person. I like his persona on the show.
• 33:58
  I think it's yeah, yeah, good, great Comic Relief.
• 34:01
  But in person, man, that guy is such a sweetheart.
• 34:04
  Like I love him. Oh, he's lovely.
• 34:05
  He's a lovely guy. Yeah, he's, he's actually, it's,
• 34:08
  he's not like he's on the show in a way.
• 34:10
  You know, yeah. So.
• 34:11
  So it'll be fun sharing a table with him.
• 34:14
  Yeah. And I think we're both doing
• 34:15
  painted heads. And I'll have shirts, which is
• 34:19
  pretty cool. Yeah, exactly.
• 34:22
  So you're just down the you're actually just a couple down from
• 34:25
  us. So that would be cool.
• 34:28
  We'll be able to wave. So this is your T-shirt design?
• 34:32
  Yeah, those are. We've printed those on super
• 34:36
  soft Tees, so they're like the comfortable ones.
• 34:40
  They're not. The box, I remember you telling
• 34:42
  me that that that's your very important for you to get that
• 34:46
  type of shirt it's. Yeah, I I try and get the shirts
• 34:49
  that don't shrink up too bad. Yeah, after you wash them, even
• 34:53
  if you do dry them. I didn't put into consideration.
• 34:56
  I was talking to a couple of guys in a video chat one time.
• 34:59
  I dry all my clothes outside or all my shirts outside of.
• 35:02
  Course, you live in Arizona. You can.
• 35:04
  Yeah, and I didn't realize nobody does that.
• 35:07
  Like they're like, oh, I can do it maybe two months out of the
• 35:09
  year. I'm like dude, I my shirts dry
• 35:11
  in 10 minutes. Yeah, exactly.
• 35:14
  Yeah, yeah. If you get a call from someone I
• 35:16
  see in an hour and you're like, OK, I'm just putting my shirt in
• 35:18
  the washing machine. It'll be it'll be good.
• 35:20
  Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's it's 96°
• 35:23
  today, so wow. It's not that over this
• 35:28
  direction, Thomas. Huh.
• 35:30
  No, definitely not About half of that, yeah.
• 35:34
  Not an American, but it was 1010° here today in Celsius and
• 35:38
  it was chilly. It was nice little chilly
• 35:40
  breeze. So the beauty of your T-shirt
• 35:44
  design, David, is that you can do the art on it yourself.
• 35:48
  So it's like a it's a fully rounded awesome thing.
• 35:53
  It's cool, but it's also like, it's kind of like, like I, I,
• 36:00
  I'm the biggest critic of my work.
• 36:02
  So it's like, I'll Draw Something and I'll submit it and
• 36:05
  then I'm like, man, I would just do a different, you know, So
• 36:08
  it's like this, this character went through so many revisions
• 36:11
  because I thought, you know, one thing was not done right or the,
• 36:17
  you know, the angle of something or whatever.
• 36:19
  But but it's fun to it's fun to be able to Draw Something and
• 36:22
  have somebody like Dave work and make it because we're buds, you
• 36:26
  know, so it's like we can e-mail back and forth and it's really
• 36:32
  cool to have somebody like that in your pocket.
• 36:34
  And and as opposed to working with AT shirt company that's
• 36:38
  like by the book, you know, like stipulations everywhere, you
• 36:44
  know. And for the listeners, we
• 36:47
  consider David is a very experienced T-shirt reseller.
• 36:51
  So you know you're going to get the top, top service from him.
• 36:55
  Everything will be nicely bowed up and everything.
• 36:58
  Oh yeah, he's. Well.
• 37:00
  Dave working is. His No, I was talking about you.
• 37:03
  Oh yeah. Well, yeah, being in, being in
• 37:06
  bands for 20 years, we made a lot of T-shirts.
• 37:10
  Yeah. So exactly, I'll get them all
• 37:12
  rolled up and ready. It was last year's week.
• 37:18
  Coverage I. Was going to say as last year
• 37:20
  somebody came up to our table and the three was just
• 37:22
  scribbling on the floor trying to find the size they wanted.
• 37:24
  It was, it was not. It was not professional.
• 37:27
  Well, this year it's going to be different because, yeah,
• 37:30
  hopefully we get them a little bit earlier and.
• 37:33
  I'll, I'll let you roll them on. We'll have a yeah, we'll have
• 37:36
  like a little, a little short night.
• 37:38
  We can just sit upstairs and roll up our shirts.
• 37:40
  Yeah, is that, are you rich? I even have a spreadsheet of the
• 37:44
  list of all the people, Goodman, Goodman in order.
• 37:47
  So you know. So David, are you doing or have
• 37:51
  I missed because that's quite possible this year.
• 37:53
  I'm not following the cabal very well.
• 37:55
  Are you doing a pre-order or are you just going to sell them on
• 37:58
  the? No, I like to have.
• 38:01
  I like to buy things in person. I like to sell things in person.
• 38:06
  It's always sad or a bummer when you go up and you're like, hey,
• 38:08
  I want a shirt. And you're like, well, I have
• 38:10
  this box of shirts that haven't been picked up yet, but you
• 38:13
  can't have one. Yeah.
• 38:15
  Yeah, that does. It's tricky, but we had the
• 38:17
  opposite problem last year. We had the box of shirts and we
• 38:19
  had to bring a lot of them home. So that's the other side of it.
• 38:23
  Yeah, but that could have been down to us not selling them
• 38:25
  properly, you know, as in not pushing them.
• 38:28
  Yeah, it's, I mean, it's a crack shoot.
• 38:32
  It's like I, I felt like, I felt like there was a good enough
• 38:34
  response. Yeah.
• 38:36
  And then? On us doing, I do think when
• 38:38
  it's, I do think when it's your own art as well, it makes a
• 38:40
  difference. And then it's like.
• 38:43
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 38:45
  It's just, it's just it's good to, you know, show it early and
• 38:51
  then just do things like this where it's a little reminder
• 38:53
  that, you know, yeah. You want to share it off?
• 38:57
  I think what this shirt has over maybe some of those and our own
• 39:02
  is that previously I think the one we've got this year is a
• 39:04
  little different, but it is just a cool shirt as well, as well as
• 39:10
  having a meaning to the people who know what the meaning is.
• 39:13
  So I think. They will generally sell better,
• 39:16
  those sort of shirts. I think that's what's kind of
• 39:18
  about, that's what I was saying about designing a shirt is I
• 39:21
  want, I don't want to just put my name on it because it's like,
• 39:26
  again, I've said it before, I have just such an average name
• 39:30
  doesn't even sound cool. So it's like rugby scrum half.
• 39:34
  I was going to say, you've got, you've got a Welsh surname,
• 39:36
  David, Don't you put that name down?
• 39:37
  It's got a Welsh name full. Stop.
• 39:40
  But it's cool, man. I always try and draw like a
• 39:42
  cool metal shirt, you know, like everybody looks cool in a black
• 39:46
  T-shirt and everybody looks cool with with a a medieval brutal
• 39:51
  design on it. It's like anyone can wear it.
• 39:55
  It looks cool and it's it's entirely aesthetic, you know, as
• 40:01
  opposed to being. Like shirt that you design comes
• 40:04
  in as well, because you designed Door Claire's shirt as well,
• 40:07
  didn't you? So and that, that's another one
• 40:09
  that applies to even though it says door Claire, it's a very
• 40:13
  cool dungeon sort of design, isn't it?
• 40:17
  Yeah, I think, I think it's really important then to have a
• 40:21
  cool aesthetic when you when you create.
• 40:26
  It's like I could draw a different stuff, but I luckily
• 40:30
  I'm into this stuff, but I prefer to draw stuff for people,
• 40:34
  like for people to wear and I think that I think looks cool.
• 40:39
  So Thomas, when when aunt to fillies eventually drops, you
• 40:43
  got to get David to do a zone AT shirt, you know, for the crew.
• 40:47
  Oh, absolutely. I think, I think the Zone's
• 40:51
  thing's kind of grown into to more than that, Jeremy to.
• 40:55
  Move to Arizona, you know? Yeah, right.
• 40:58
  Apart from him, he wrote. That into the bio and.
• 41:02
  It's cool, I've been. It's kind of grown more, yeah.
• 41:05
  Totally. I've I've brought that up to
• 41:08
  people when explaining the antithelius figure that it kind
• 41:12
  of like we, we have like kind of a sense of pride in Arizona.
• 41:16
  We all love it here. It's it's a it's a weird place,
• 41:19
  but it was cool to be like almost canonized in a, in a
• 41:26
  sci-fi series that we're like, there is a desert called, you
• 41:29
  know, zone A and that's that's us.
• 41:32
  That's that's our theme. So people, people get a kick out
• 41:37
  of it and they think it's really neat to to just have that little
• 41:41
  nod, you know? So there they are.
• 41:43
  There's the there's the three boys.
• 41:48
  Speaking of the Dorklare shirt. Yeah, that that shirt I'm
• 41:52
  wearing is is the one I designed for our tattoo shop.
• 41:56
  Wow. Oh yeah.
• 41:57
  See, that's cool. Is that an armored?
• 42:01
  It's an armored theme. She has fangs, so she is a
• 42:04
  vampire. But I Yeah.
• 42:08
  And that's one that I, that was like the armor based on.
• 42:11
  I just used Lady Outerona as like a reference, you know that?
• 42:16
  Looks like Lady A, Yeah. So, and that was deliberate
• 42:20
  entirely because it's like, it's my shirt, I can do whatever I
• 42:22
  want with it, so I might as well make a cool armored babe that
• 42:28
  looks like a mythic Allegiance character.
• 42:31
  Totally. That's awesome.
• 42:33
  And you must have been somewhere warm doing that because you're
• 42:34
  all in T-shirts, whereas oppose in New Jersey last year, you're
• 42:37
  wrapped up like you're in the North Pole.
• 42:41
  Yeah, that was that was at Ishkhan.
• 42:43
  It was hot there. Oh, yeah.
• 42:45
  Oh, yeah. I heard that it was warm, Yeah.
• 42:48
  And then they got some sort of a like a rainstorm or something
• 42:51
  like that at some point. Yeah.
• 42:54
  But it was different from our type of rain.
• 42:56
  So we were all excited about it like it was.
• 42:58
  It was a new yeah. What can we take Arizona?
• 43:03
  Is actually exciting. Oh.
• 43:06
  Yeah, it's exciting, but it's a little bit terrifying because
• 43:09
  like now we don't have natural disasters, but we we get these
• 43:14
  monsoons that'll that'll tear up like like 100 year old cactuses
• 43:19
  will just be uprooted and just thrown into the into the desert.
• 43:25
  So you got to be, you know, a little wary of what's in your
• 43:27
  backyard and what's in your front yard and what's going to
• 43:30
  fall on your vehicle. Totally, Yeah.
• 43:34
  Complete and that and it lasts for 15 minutes and then it's
• 43:36
  over and it's just destructive. So when it just rains water from
• 43:42
  the sky at in North Carolina, it's exciting.
• 43:48
  It's just nice. Yeah, exactly.
• 43:50
  Yeah, I think Jordan got some video of me and Sam, like
• 43:53
  dancing in the rain and it started coming.
• 43:55
  Down. Yeah, that's kind of probably
• 43:57
  what reminded me of it, yeah. Like this is fantastic.
• 44:01
  There's not a bunch of dust in the sky with.
• 44:03
  The rain, it's just coming. Down on its own, you know.
• 44:05
  Yeah, the boys in T-shirts, you know.
• 44:09
  No, no appreciation for a rain jacket.
• 44:11
  They don't even have one. Why would you have a rain jacket
• 44:13
  from your? Yeah, I leave mine with my
• 44:17
  grandparents in Normandy. Yeah, you need it when you go
• 44:20
  there and yeah, Irish weather over there and right, David,
• 44:25
  let's have a look at a couple of customs.
• 44:27
  So this to me looks like Wolverine type tribute or?
• 44:31
  Yeah, yeah. That's the head I got from Dirk
• 44:33
  Nagle. I just, we put together a little
• 44:38
  cosmic dwarf. Usually when I make customs I
• 44:42
  try and only use Legion stuff. So it's like rather than trying
• 44:46
  to do 3 claws, I just did the the two on each hand.
• 44:50
  Yeah, just because it's, it's not Wolverine.
• 44:54
  But it's not not Wolverine. Yeah.
• 44:58
  Yeah, this one I'll have on my table for sale.
• 45:00
  Awesome. He's a cool, a really cool
• 45:03
  figure. But I'll have both heads
• 45:05
  available. Like you can have both heads
• 45:06
  when you. Yeah.
• 45:07
  So this is the other head, is it?
• 45:09
  Mm hmm. And is this an exclusive head or
• 45:12
  is this? I believe he sells them online.
• 45:16
  OK, so it's just one of Dirk's heads and stuff.
• 45:19
  And I bought him at Ish Con and that was immediately when I saw
• 45:23
  him, I was like, I'm going to make this cosmic dwarf guy.
• 45:27
  Very cool. Yeah.
• 45:29
  How much are you looking forward to the to the dwarf pack for for
• 45:33
  more dwarf limbs that maybe I. Love the dwarf figures, man.
• 45:37
  They're, they're just cool. Like they're, they're, they're
• 45:41
  real playable, you know? Yeah, I can't believe that at
• 45:44
  some point, like at some point, people were complaining that
• 45:47
  they weren't like a full figure. Yeah, that's such a weird but.
• 45:55
  Like at the start of the line, that's what you have to deal
• 45:58
  with. You know, all these like
• 45:59
  obviously Legions was a new line once all these new lines that
• 46:03
  are launching, I mean, you have to have, I don't know, like kind
• 46:06
  of this personality that you just don't care what people say
• 46:09
  to just to get through the initial funding of a Kickstarter
• 46:14
  or whatever it might be. You really have to have thick
• 46:16
  skin, which is why I mean the Horsemen are lovely.
• 46:20
  So, you know, they just must kind of, they have their own
• 46:24
  support group, but like guys like Bobby Valla or, you know,
• 46:28
  whatever they, they just kind of blanket or, you know, just push
• 46:32
  back in it and don't care what people say about them and can
• 46:36
  kind of just get on with their day.
• 46:37
  Whereas I think I'd be like a sobbing mess.
• 46:40
  You know, it's the first bad comments come in, you know?
• 46:42
  Yeah, you know, but it's funny. This I love.
• 46:50
  So it's a skeleton Legion builder, and that's Brian Burke
• 46:53
  head. Is that right from Burke
• 46:55
  Customs? Yeah, when a.
• 46:57
  Couple a handful of months ago when Steamboat Willie went
• 47:02
  public domain there was a company that made like most post
• 47:06
  style Mickey Mouse figures and they were like kind of horror
• 47:08
  base. That's right.
• 47:11
  So me and Brian were both really stoked on that figure, but the
• 47:14
  head is kind of dumb. Like it's, it's just not as cool
• 47:18
  as it could be. So he was like, I'm going to,
• 47:21
  I'm going to sculpt the skull, a rat skull for that body.
• 47:25
  And it'll be like, more of like a rat and like this goofy Mickey
• 47:29
  Mouse. And I think those figures got
• 47:32
  delayed because they're not out yet.
• 47:34
  So he just resized it for legions and sent me one because
• 47:39
  of our initial conversation. He was like, yeah, I'd love to
• 47:41
  see what you do with it. And man, that is a cool head to
• 47:45
  paint. Yeah, it looks awesome.
• 47:47
  Yeah. Ryan Burke is Brian Berg's
• 47:50
  sculpts are so well done. Yeah, he, he takes his time in
• 47:55
  terms, you know what I mean? Like he doesn't just churn them
• 47:57
  out. He like really takes care to to
• 47:59
  do them, you know, the the way he's happy with them.
• 48:03
  And I think that then shows, I think Brian will have this
• 48:07
  allegiance on this sculpt, so. Yeah, I believe.
• 48:09
  I believe he will. And I'll.
• 48:11
  I don't want to give away any other secrets.
• 48:13
  He well, he sort of hinted that there might be others in line
• 48:18
  with this one, but that it was only a hint.
• 48:20
  So yeah. Yeah.
• 48:23
  Yeah, we'll see what he's got. I'm going to.
• 48:24
  I'm going to spend a lot of money at his table.
• 48:26
  Now look at that. We're on to one of our heads and
• 48:30
  say, damn, that's a good head. Look at that.
• 48:34
  So this this was awesome to see when you posted it.
• 48:40
  And Frankenstein creature matched with our cosmic like
• 48:48
  supposed cosmic. But you know, it works for this
• 48:50
  type of a creature as well. For legions gone.
• 48:54
  Yeah, did you? Did you kind of you.
• 48:57
  I suppose you didn't know about Frankenstein's creature, but it
• 48:59
  was when you saw the Frankenstein you just thought,
• 49:01
  right? No, this was this.
• 49:03
  Yeah, this was like a shotgun paint.
• 49:05
  I had him primed to do. I was just going to do because
• 49:09
  everybody's that have painted these already have done a
• 49:13
  fantastic job. And I thought of what he could
• 49:16
  go on and I'm like, well, somebody already did a blue one
• 49:19
  for, you know, Oleg Sagar and somebody already did a green
• 49:23
  one. It looks good on no being lean,
• 49:26
  but this, I was going to paint this in human flesh tone like it
• 49:31
  was just going to be a really gross looking human.
• 49:37
  So he was already primed in like kind of a base, like kind of a
• 49:41
  medium brown. And then when I got Frankenstein
• 49:45
  in hand, I had bought a, a sock good jacket for my Frankenstein
• 49:52
  monster, her preacher. And I had him at the shop
• 49:56
  because I was going to weather the jacket and then take a
• 49:58
  picture of it. And I was like, oh man, I can
• 49:59
  try and match this paint with this head while it's there.
• 50:04
  And it worked out great. He looks fantastic on that body.
• 50:07
  Yeah, so it looks really. Well, was it tough to match the
• 50:10
  paint or how did he was? He was, really.
• 50:14
  Hard. So was that a mix of a number of
• 50:15
  paints? Kind of wasn't straight out of
• 50:18
  the bottle job. No, not at all.
• 50:20
  It's it's a lot more yellow than I thought.
• 50:24
  Like like a bright yellow than I thought.
• 50:27
  I was thinking more of an okra ochre or whatever.
• 50:32
  But yeah, it took a little bit of work, but it's a lot, a lot
• 50:36
  of wash helps kind of change the tone of the yellows.
• 50:40
  But I mean, that that Frankenstein's feature figure is
• 50:47
  such a great figure, like the paint and sculpt and everything.
• 50:53
  But when you're trying to match paint like that, it's just you
• 50:56
  have a a new appreciation for what goes into painting these
• 51:01
  figures, you know? Yeah, Yeah, it's, it can be, it
• 51:06
  can be tough for sure. Well, you did an amazing job
• 51:08
  with this. Thank you.
• 51:09
  I think we can all say another one of our scopes.
• 51:14
  I was so excited when you sent me this over while ago and
• 51:18
  obviously you've posted it since.
• 51:21
  This is our Shaniqui Leprechaun head.
• 51:25
  So awesome. Just an awesome job, David.
• 51:29
  Can't say much other than that. What I did with the I love this
• 51:34
  scope also, but with the cards in the hat.
• 51:39
  I gave them the ampophilias, brown and yellow stripes and I
• 51:44
  was. Too dumb to get that until you
• 51:45
  told me, but yeah. And.
• 51:48
  Then the other part is the the six eyes that he has, like the
• 51:51
  blue eyes. Yeah, I didn't spot that.
• 51:54
  That's amazing. So, yeah, so that's just
• 51:58
  instantly makes this eclectors item.
• 52:00
  So are you going to keep it or are you going to sell it at your
• 52:02
  table? Legions con or?
• 52:04
  You know I. I mean, obviously you can get
• 52:07
  another one off us to paint for yourself if you want.
• 52:09
  So you know. There's something, there's
• 52:11
  something special about offering stuff for people that all
• 52:16
  appreciate it. And I don't tend to keep a lot
• 52:18
  of my customs on display because I do solid heads and I do make
• 52:25
  new figures and I I'm such a stickler for factions and races
• 52:30
  and all that stuff like being together.
• 52:33
  So it's like when I have like a one off character, I don't tend
• 52:37
  to keep it, you know, keep the head.
• 52:39
  And then again, this is kind of a cool way to offer a sculpt
• 52:44
  that a few people are offering with my own, you know, like
• 52:50
  that's the David Williams 1, you know.
• 52:52
  Gotcha. Yeah, yeah.
• 52:54
  So so yeah, I'll have this for sale.
• 52:57
  We've we've one more thing to show here from you.
• 53:00
  And so I'm going to try and see if this works.
• 53:02
  So this is your painted heads. So you sent me a little video,
• 53:06
  so I'm going to see if I can get that working.
• 53:09
  There we go. So look at that.
• 53:11
  Cowboy head in there. So this is what you're going to
• 53:14
  see at David's table. Some of it anyway.
• 53:20
  So look at that beautifully painted heads rack.
• 53:24
  They're probably going to be painted in the meantime.
• 53:27
  Yeah. The primed ones, yeah.
• 53:31
  Oh, I love. Sorry, no, just kind of go back
• 53:33
  a little bit. This guy here with the one eye?
• 53:36
  I've never seen that before. When LaGuardia gave that to me
• 53:42
  last legions time, he was like, look at this weird thing, you're
• 53:45
  going to like this, and now you just gave it to me, all right.
• 53:49
  And so I was like, it's, it's like a naked cat.
• 53:52
  It's Yeah, it does. Look like one of those.
• 53:54
  Yeah, but and the eye thing as well, yeah.
• 53:58
  And so did he tell you what the origin of that was or?
• 54:01
  No, not at all. It's just it's a bizarre sculpt
• 54:05
  because it's got a metal face mask on, it's missing one eye,
• 54:09
  it's got like earrings all over it.
• 54:11
  And it looks even weirder being painted in like a human flesh
• 54:15
  tone. You know, like, like those those
• 54:17
  cats are. Yeah, I love it.
• 54:19
  Yeah, it's perfect. But there we see the rest of
• 54:23
  them. Look at that great selection
• 54:26
  there we get a good look at that cosmic or that Frankenstein.
• 54:30
  So there we go. So let's just pause that there.
• 54:34
  So I see you, David. So thanks for sending that stuff
• 54:39
  over and excited to put my eyes on it in person as well.
• 54:44
  No matter what, photos never do it justice.
• 54:50
  Right. Seeing all that stuff in person
• 54:51
  is such a treat and it's like you could spend.
• 54:54
  Totally. More plus you know just one
• 54:58
  person's table just staring at all, but don't little details in
• 55:03
  each. And.
• 55:06
  That's something special going allegiance.
• 55:09
  And that's the thing you don't like for Allegiance Con.
• 55:13
  Obviously you got to pay to get their hotel, all that kind of
• 55:15
  stuff. Of course it's nice to pick up
• 55:17
  all the stuff. You don't need to spend another
• 55:20
  cent to have a great time. You don't need to buy anything.
• 55:24
  You can look at all this stuff and get just as much pleasure as
• 55:27
  the person that's going to bring it home and display it on their
• 55:30
  shelf. Obviously if you if you can get
• 55:33
  stuff, that's even more awesome, but you can definitely have a
• 55:37
  great time. John, all this kind of stuff,
• 55:41
  yeah. Never ever speak to my wife with
• 55:44
  that sort of advice. No, he doesn't find anything at
• 55:47
  all. He just has a great time.
• 55:48
  If he's just there, No, no, no, no, no.
• 55:51
  But your gig is that you're supposed to bring stuff to sell.
• 55:54
  You sell that. And with the proceeds of that,
• 55:56
  you you buy stuff and you're kind of 0 at the end of the day.
• 56:00
  And, you know, no harm, no foul. No.
• 56:03
  Yeah, let's go with that. Right.
• 56:07
  Well, to to wrap us up here, let's have a look through some
• 56:11
  of your stuff, Thomas, because you have some awesome photos on
• 56:14
  your Instagram. I mean, look at that.
• 56:18
  So you do the myth and fantasy toy pick collaboration quite
• 56:22
  regularly. Yeah, we try to do that weekly.
• 56:26
  So that's, that's been a blast. My my buddy Pablo Yale
• 56:30
  photography, he does all the plundering shops for their
• 56:35
  packaging and everything. He invited me into this pro lab
• 56:38
  a couple couple months back and it's been just even more
• 56:43
  inspiring getting a whole community and we all kind of
• 56:48
  motivate each other to, you know, take pictures regularly
• 56:51
  and get, get things posted. A lot of times I'll, I'll take
• 56:56
  pictures and I just there's hundreds of pictures on my
• 56:59
  phone. I never get a chance to post
• 57:00
  them. But having this collab with the
• 57:03
  group is kind of incentive to make sure I get something up
• 57:06
  there weekly. So even right now, being on
• 57:09
  vacation, I shot a couple pictures ahead of time so that I
• 57:12
  can keep posting on the collab with everybody.
• 57:15
  And and what's your setup? Do you use your phone?
• 57:17
  Do you have a kind of camera setup?
• 57:19
  Do you have lighting all? That yeah, I've got, I've got a
• 57:22
  camera, a variety of lights. I've thinking a lot of tips from
• 57:27
  Trevor as far as like the lighting goes and I watch a lot
• 57:30
  of. These tips which is amazing, you
• 57:32
  know right I think you have to be comfortable with your in your
• 57:36
  own skin and with your own kind of work to be able to to be to
• 57:39
  be like that and. That's, well, the secret sauce.
• 57:41
  Yeah. Yeah, but it's awesome.
• 57:44
  I always say that it it makes better if there's more of this
• 57:47
  stuff out there, whether it be customs like the likes that
• 57:50
  David is doing or whatever, or photography.
• 57:53
  The more cool stuff is, the better.
• 57:57
  Yeah, and I mean the quality of figures that 4 Horsemen puts out
• 58:01
  with the details is yeah, I mean it makes it even funner to
• 58:04
  photograph, you know if. You if you kind of, you know, if
• 58:08
  you ignore just a tiny bit of articulation you can see there
• 58:11
  that looks pretty like a movie shot, you know, the guy there,
• 58:15
  what figure is that? Kind of the blurred 1.
• 58:18
  The kind of human figure so. That's a couple of different
• 58:23
  Mescos mashed together. It's Bartholomew Vex, the the
• 58:28
  like demon goat with the Batman Gotham by gaslight Bruce Wayne
• 58:35
  head. So I took the Bruce Wayne head,
• 58:38
  put it on that Bartholomew Vex body, but the the hand I think
• 58:42
  is a Constantine hand from Mescos as well.
• 58:46
  So just a couple different Mescos piece together to give
• 58:50
  the illusion of, you know, Victorian type of scientist.
• 58:53
  Yeah, you've that's cool, man. You've had fun with the with old
• 58:57
  Frankie. Yeah, I think last year I had a
• 59:01
  blast with with Jacob Marley. And then when this one came out,
• 59:06
  it's like as soon as I got him and I was like, wow, I need to
• 59:10
  photograph. This and.
• 59:12
  The detail in there is just fantastic.
• 59:13
  And then I like to be able to showcase a lot of the customs
• 59:16
  too. Like those are some Mark Calvo
• 59:19
  dwarfs that I picked up legions on two years ago.
• 59:23
  Yeah, that's that's one of the first people that I really got
• 59:28
  to interact with with in the community was with Mark.
• 59:31
  And it was so cool just meeting somebody that was from Spain
• 59:35
  that flew all the way out to New Jersey to showcase their stuff.
• 59:38
  You know, I really, really honed in on the fact that this is such
• 59:42
  a a wide community, but so tight knit at the same time, you know,
• 59:47
  then some of those harbor custom porches are great to use in the
• 59:51
  shots. Like can't get enough of those.
• 59:54
  Excited to pick up some some variety from him this year.
• 59:58
  Too. I need to get some more stuff
• 1:00:00
  with Brian, definitely. Kind of have been too late to
• 1:00:04
  him. He's tabled the last two years
• 1:00:05
  to get the stuff. So just shows one of my favorite
• 1:00:09
  Legions figures here, Taranag. I mean, it's amazing.
• 1:00:13
  He's a beauty. Yeah, yeah, actually we had Mark
• 1:00:16
  Calvo on, so he's going to be on a couple of episodes before this
• 1:00:20
  one and yeah, he's going to be back this year in Legions Con so
• 1:00:23
  and he has some great stuff so. Yeah, some really good stuff
• 1:00:27
  come in with him. You're yeah, you're also Mexico
• 1:00:32
  fan as well. I love the Mexico Batman.
• 1:00:35
  Yeah, big Mexico guy. I think that was, that was kind
• 1:00:40
  of my main, my main line up until you know, 4 horsemen came
• 1:00:44
  and kicked everything else off the shelf and take the space.
• 1:00:49
  At least they're not more expensive than Mezco, you know?
• 1:00:51
  If they make Mezco, you know they they Mezco makes 4 horsemen
• 1:00:55
  stuff look cheap. You know, In terms of price, not
• 1:00:58
  in terms of looks. Of course you know.
• 1:01:01
  Totally. And now that we're getting all
• 1:01:03
  the soft goods and everything, it's, it's amazing seeing that
• 1:01:06
  price point that they still offer us, you know, with all the
• 1:01:09
  soft goods from CJ and Caitlin, it's.
• 1:01:13
  Yeah, really cool. The wizard, the lighting you can
• 1:01:16
  do with the wizard figures. Amazing, Yeah.
• 1:01:21
  Yeah, yeah. And the way that that paint just
• 1:01:23
  pops on that figure, you know, I didn't do any post editing on
• 1:01:26
  that. It was just.
• 1:01:27
  You can put a black light on that paint, can't you?
• 1:01:30
  And it kind of brightens up or whatever.
• 1:01:33
  Or just a regular light. I think maybe cool.
• 1:01:37
  Oh, there he is, dirty old snag. They can stuff no good.
• 1:01:44
  Love Snag. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:47
  I'd love to see another figure using the head sculpt or similar
• 1:01:50
  that even that's kind of happened, yeah.
• 1:01:53
  Yeah. That that one right there is
• 1:01:56
  from Eugene, the valley at night.
• 1:01:58
  This one. Oh, this head sculpt.
• 1:02:00
  Oh wow, Yeah. Little head sculpt that eh
• 1:02:03
  Eugene gifted me last year. Yeah, at Legion Con, such a nice
• 1:02:08
  guy. Like I got I couldn't figure out
• 1:02:10
  how to shoot that, that head sculpt.
• 1:02:12
  And I was like, you know what, I'm going to put it on the
• 1:02:14
  valley at night. And then just that just came to
• 1:02:18
  me randomly. I was like, you know, I'm a big
• 1:02:20
  cat, cat guy as well. Well, you know, we're not far
• 1:02:24
  apart, you know, just spin down the road like a four for you
• 1:02:26
  here to play with. Oh, nice.
• 1:02:29
  Yeah, I joked with my wife. I said maybe we should fly into
• 1:02:31
  Luxembourg instead of Paris. Totally.
• 1:02:34
  Yeah, you know. Back to Paris.
• 1:02:36
  After two days, no problem. You know, could.
• 1:02:40
  Have done the podcast from your room.
• 1:02:42
  Oh, that would be awesome. I even have two mics here.
• 1:02:44
  Look, you know, so because I'm an idiot, Gear acquisition
• 1:02:48
  syndrome, and oh wow, look at this guy.
• 1:02:53
  This is all Eric Miller, of course.
• 1:02:57
  That was one of my. You got 4 awesome heads from
• 1:03:00
  Eric at Ishkhan, is that right? Yep, that was that was kind of
• 1:03:06
  my main goal in Ishkhan. And I know they've joked about
• 1:03:09
  it on their podcast is I said I was going to buy some Heely's so
• 1:03:13
  that I could, you know, wheel myself to his table and be the
• 1:03:16
  first one there. And I did do a little hurried
• 1:03:22
  walk there to make sure I could pick up that Medusa.
• 1:03:27
  Actually a really cool story is so Eric had I think 4 Medusa's
• 1:03:32
  that he brought and Big Dubs happen to grab that one, which
• 1:03:36
  was the one that I wanted. And I get to the table and I'm
• 1:03:40
  like, oh, the one I wanted is gone.
• 1:03:43
  There's three left. And Eric's like yeah, Big Dub
• 1:03:46
  grabbed it and I turned around and Big Dub was right there and
• 1:03:49
  he's like, I buy a different Medusa head and I'll trade you
• 1:03:52
  and I'll give you the one you wanted.
• 1:03:54
  He knows. Super cool.
• 1:03:56
  Super cool movie. Yeah, that is so cool.
• 1:04:00
  So cool. Right.
• 1:04:01
  Let's look at one or two more. I mean, cosmic mouth.
• 1:04:03
  Come on. Yeah, I mean, I think Thomas
• 1:04:06
  takes some awesome photos. It's fantastic.
• 1:04:11
  Yeah, I. Really want to get into shooting
• 1:04:13
  more cosmic. Oh, you should.
• 1:04:15
  You should, Yeah, you can do it. The way you do the lighting and
• 1:04:18
  everything is just awesome. I mean, look at this type of a
• 1:04:22
  shot here. I think it's that's movie stuff
• 1:04:24
  like, you know. Yeah, yeah, I think Cosmics, it
• 1:04:28
  sounds daft to say this, but I think it's it's a little
• 1:04:31
  underrated at the moment and yet the stuff we're getting is is
• 1:04:35
  incredible. But can't wait to see where it
• 1:04:40
  goes either though. You know, if we're starting off
• 1:04:43
  at this level, Sky's the limit thing, it's going to be
• 1:04:48
  fantastic. Totally.
• 1:04:50
  Yeah. But number one, you need to get
• 1:04:51
  some prints out there. Number two, you're the type of
• 1:04:55
  guy I'm really excited when you buy one of my heads or whatever
• 1:04:59
  legions come because I'm like, oh man, in a few months time I
• 1:05:02
  might get a you've been tagged in a photo on Instagram or
• 1:05:05
  something. Yes.
• 1:05:08
  Don't you like that, David? Oh, love it.
• 1:05:10
  Yeah, it's just the. Best.
• 1:05:12
  It's so cool. Like it's just, it's so special
• 1:05:16
  that somebody has my things and then took the time to tag me in
• 1:05:21
  it. Or, let alone, you know, play
• 1:05:24
  with. And in the madness of legions,
• 1:05:26
  Khan, you don't always, you know, it's, it's very hard to
• 1:05:29
  track who might buy, you know, ahead of you or if, you know, if
• 1:05:33
  you're doing a deal on three or four heads and maybe they grab
• 1:05:36
  another one. You're you're, you're not really
• 1:05:38
  sure. I know they got that night head,
• 1:05:40
  but, you know, I can't remember what the other ones were.
• 1:05:42
  So you really don't know. And you're like, oh, I remember
• 1:05:44
  painting that and now I know who has it.
• 1:05:46
  It's amazing. And then you have that picture.
• 1:05:49
  So it's kind of, it's a thing now, you know.
• 1:05:51
  Yeah. I love that.
• 1:05:56
  Richest trend of plugins table. No, I was just going to say it
• 1:06:01
  was a word of advice. If you if you buy lots of stuff
• 1:06:06
  at Legions Con for make a note, make a note of what you buy on a
• 1:06:10
  spreadsheet. Spreadsheets are the perfect way
• 1:06:12
  of making a note of that. So you can then when you when
• 1:06:14
  you post the picture, you've got them listed.
• 1:06:16
  I was just all I was going to say it was a public service. 3
• 1:06:19
  or 4 beers deep on, you know, Saturday evening of Legions
• 1:06:22
  Connor going, oh, I've never get out my laptop and just update my
• 1:06:25
  spreadsheet. Yes, it's a spreadsheet.
• 1:06:29
  Of course it should be because after another Tier 4 beers,
• 1:06:32
  they're going to go back to the room, wake up the next morning
• 1:06:34
  and go, wow, look at all this cool stuff I bought.
• 1:06:36
  I can't remember who I got that off.
• 1:06:42
  Yeah, that dwarf head that I took a picture of that I got
• 1:06:45
  from you last year, John, is one of my favorite ones I've taken
• 1:06:48
  since that. Awesome.
• 1:06:49
  Last year. I need to see.
• 1:06:51
  Can I find that here quickly? While we're talking, you keep
• 1:06:55
  talking boys, you know? After the I'm.
• 1:06:58
  Super excited to bring the the prints.
• 1:07:01
  I know I'm going to bring prints for sure.
• 1:07:02
  It's just a matter of deciding, you know, which ones.
• 1:07:05
  And it's hard to be biased with your work when you're taking
• 1:07:09
  pictures and you know, like David was talking about earlier
• 1:07:12
  being, you know, like imposter syndrome.
• 1:07:16
  I don't think any of my pictures are good.
• 1:07:18
  I don't think anybody's going to like my work or pair for a
• 1:07:21
  print, you know, so it's like, oh man, like why am I doing
• 1:07:26
  this? Is anybody even going to want
• 1:07:27
  one of these? And then like, you got to just
• 1:07:30
  kind of get over that hump and say, you know what, nobody likes
• 1:07:33
  them. Oh well, at least I brought
• 1:07:35
  them. And I have some some pretty cool
• 1:07:38
  stickers too, that a good friend of mine is working on designing.
• 1:07:43
  You guys might know it's from Arizona.
• 1:07:46
  He just weighed, so I think we know.
• 1:07:48
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's he.
• 1:07:52
  We've just got them on. Yeah, we just phoned them off
• 1:07:54
  and we just got them on. Hi, David Williams.
• 1:07:56
  How are you? Welcome to the show.
• 1:07:59
  I believe you designed stickers the odd time.
• 1:08:03
  Here and there. Here we go.
• 1:08:05
  This is the one. Isn't it cool?
• 1:08:06
  Oh. That's.
• 1:08:09
  Awesome. I remember this with this head.
• 1:08:12
  I remember it's sitting kind of you've had this David.
• 1:08:15
  I'm sure it's was primed on on my heads rack for ages and I was
• 1:08:19
  like, I like that heads cup so much.
• 1:08:22
  I really don't know what to choose, how to do it because
• 1:08:29
  it's just hard, you know, it's like that.
• 1:08:30
  I could do it like a human. I could do it like, you know,
• 1:08:34
  different Caucasian skin or, you know, a black skin or like
• 1:08:40
  Hispanic skin, I don't know. But you know, what colour to do
• 1:08:44
  the beard, what to do with the bear kind of hat or was it not
• 1:08:47
  bore hat? Sorry.
• 1:08:49
  And yeah, eventually I just said, you know what, I'm going
• 1:08:51
  to try and do one of these kind of great dwarfs.
• 1:08:54
  And yeah, I think it worked out and so did Thomas and we ended
• 1:09:00
  up with awesome picture and he used one of my favorite figures
• 1:09:05
  as a bass heard Bardrick or is that Crotos?
• 1:09:09
  That's. That's Crotos.
• 1:09:11
  That's Crotos also. Awesome figure.
• 1:09:14
  Yeah, very cool. Yeah, it's awesome.
• 1:09:18
  See, that's, yeah, that's just too cool.
• 1:09:20
  You know, there's no money that can pay for for that kind of
• 1:09:25
  cool feeling, you know, Very good.
• 1:09:27
  Well, it's been great to have you on, guys.
• 1:09:31
  Yes, yeah, man. Absolutely.
• 1:09:34
  Yeah. I love hanging out with you
• 1:09:35
  guys, yeah. Absolutely, yeah, we could do
• 1:09:38
  this all night, but we we do have to kind of keep it in
• 1:09:42
  podcast episode format so that we can actually get it out there
• 1:09:46
  so. We can do it in four weeks time,
• 1:09:48
  face to face. Oh yeah, Well, that's true.
• 1:09:50
  Yeah, yeah. Try and bring a little bit of
• 1:09:53
  recording gear so we can have a few chats if we can.
• 1:09:56
  I always say this, but this year I'm going to actually try and do
• 1:09:58
  it. So and do a little I'm going to
• 1:10:02
  try and end up with an episode or two where we can give a
• 1:10:05
  feeling of what it was like to be at Legion's gone while not
• 1:10:08
  exactly going to be feeling. So that's the plan.
• 1:10:12
  Let's see. It is all going to fall apart
• 1:10:14
  after three beers. But you're hey, so Thomas, enjoy
• 1:10:23
  the motherland, enjoy your grandparents and you get all
• 1:10:27
  this stuff. I just love the even I can see
• 1:10:30
  that you're in an old French house from the background behind
• 1:10:33
  that, you know? It's all falling apart.
• 1:10:36
  Yeah, couple of glasses of wine and you'll be as good as new.
• 1:10:42
  The jet lag will be gone. Right, Yeah, Houses, you know,
• 1:10:46
  100 something years old and wonder that it's still standing
• 1:10:50
  up. It's older than the state of
• 1:10:51
  Arizona. Holy shit.
• 1:10:57
  Yeah. And enjoy Ireland.
• 1:10:59
  I can't wait to chat to you about what you thought of it,
• 1:11:02
  you know, and you could be honest.
• 1:11:03
  With me, you know I. I moved away, so, you know, if
• 1:11:07
  it's bad, you can tell me. I can, I can agree.
• 1:11:11
  No, for me, Ireland is a wonderful place to visit.
• 1:11:14
  I just wouldn't live there anymore because it's so
• 1:11:18
  expensive to live there and all that kind of stuff, you know?
• 1:11:22
  But that's just that's kind of everywhere though,
• 1:11:23
  unfortunately. David, it's great to have you on
• 1:11:27
  again. You know, I just wish you lived
• 1:11:31
  in an even better time zone for us.
• 1:11:33
  But it is what it is, yeah. Sorry about that.
• 1:11:38
  But at the same time, I'm very happy for you because Arizona is
• 1:11:41
  a lovely spot. So, you know, and you get to
• 1:11:44
  draw your T-shirts in 30 minutes or less.
• 1:11:48
  Yeah, Thanks for thanks for staying up with me.
• 1:11:50
  Oh, absolutely. Oh, there's no problem.
• 1:11:52
  What do we know? 1030 Luxembourg time.
• 1:11:54
  That's that's that's fine. No problem.
• 1:11:58
  I'm just hoping the kids are going to bed now when I go back
• 1:12:00
  upstairs. So they were watching.
• 1:12:04
  That's why he likes the time difference.
• 1:12:06
  They've been watching the first 3, Not today, but like over the
• 1:12:10
  last week or two. They've been watching the first
• 1:12:11
  three Harry Potter movies with my wife and she's, I mean, I
• 1:12:15
  like them, but she's really big into them and they're old enough
• 1:12:18
  to watch the first 3 now for sure.
• 1:12:21
  So they're on the third one tonight.
• 1:12:23
  So they had, they had chips and ice cream and stuff.
• 1:12:29
  So they're happy. But school tomorrow, you know,
• 1:12:32
  so got to get going. All right, guys.
• 1:12:38
  It's been great. Thanks for taking the time and
• 1:12:42
  looking forward. To thank you so much.
• 1:12:43
  Gentlemen, yeah, cheers. Can't wait to see how old
• 1:12:46
  legions can. Absolutely.
• 1:12:55
  All right. We have a good friend of the
• 1:12:57
  podcast, a long time supporter of ours, and of course a
• 1:13:01
  fantastic customizer and Allegiance con exhibitor in his
• 1:13:06
  own right. It's a Eugene eunuch.
• 1:13:08
  Dr. Grim Customs. How are you, Eugene?
• 1:13:10
  I'm good. Thank you for having me on
• 1:13:12
  again, gentlemen. No problem at all.
• 1:13:13
  It's always a pleasure. We chat quite regularly, the two
• 1:13:17
  of us with our little day-to-day customizing experiences and good
• 1:13:25
  things and bad things. You know, it goes around, comes
• 1:13:27
  around, bit of bit of support. I think you can always use that,
• 1:13:32
  you know. Absolutely.
• 1:13:34
  It's, it can be, it can be difficult to for people that are
• 1:13:38
  not in the same position as you to understand.
• 1:13:40
  So when you know someone that's kind of probably fiddling around
• 1:13:43
  and in the same stuff as you're doing at the time, be at six or
• 1:13:48
  seven hours different time zone, you know it still works.
• 1:13:53
  It's fine, one of my best mate is in Berlin so I'm used to it.
• 1:13:56
  I just send you a message. There you go.
• 1:13:58
  We talk when. We do it.
• 1:13:59
  There's a lot of, there's a lot of bits and bytes going across
• 1:14:02
  the Atlantic from from your perspective then, yeah.
• 1:14:06
  I mean, I always feel bad when, you know, obviously you're, it's
• 1:14:11
  still early evening for you and I'm gone to bed.
• 1:14:13
  And then sometimes I'll get a message from you or I'll have
• 1:14:16
  missed a message before I went to bed.
• 1:14:17
  And I'm like, OK, I hope he got on OK with that, whatever he was
• 1:14:20
  doing. I never take it.
• 1:14:24
  First time I was like. People with kids.
• 1:14:26
  Oh yeah, I never get to see. Schedules.
• 1:14:28
  I get it exactly. Yeah, sure do.
• 1:14:31
  And how are you, how are you feeling in the in the run up to
• 1:14:35
  allegiance con? You know, last year I felt about
• 1:14:41
  the last month and especially the last two weeks, there was a
• 1:14:43
  lot of internal pressure to get more done.
• 1:14:46
  And I'm kind of at that same spot.
• 1:14:48
  It's been a very busy year, one of the busiest years I've had.
• 1:14:52
  So I haven't gotten nearly as much done as I wanted to, but
• 1:14:55
  I'm kind of the threshold now where I feel comfortable with
• 1:14:59
  what I've got. But there's still a few things I
• 1:15:01
  want to finish up because I know that that's what some people
• 1:15:05
  have reached out to me about. Someone make sure that, you
• 1:15:07
  know, I have enough Shields for people because they had had
• 1:15:10
  several people reach out about that and and then just a couple
• 1:15:14
  other odds and ends to tie up. But I feel much better today
• 1:15:19
  than I did yesterday. So there's not what progress is
• 1:15:22
  progress. Yeah.
• 1:15:23
  I mean, I guess Mallet sounds like good problems.
• 1:15:25
  You know, it's, it's people wanting stuff from Eugene.
• 1:15:28
  So it's not, it's not like he's worried about being ignored, you
• 1:15:32
  know? Very definitely good problems
• 1:15:34
  for sure. Yeah.
• 1:15:36
  I mean, Eugene was you were, I think you're the same table this
• 1:15:40
  year. You're table 32.
• 1:15:42
  And I think that was kind of directly kind of behind and
• 1:15:45
  across the aisle from us. We were 52 last year and you're
• 1:15:49
  right behind Noah so and I guess you're, you were right behind
• 1:15:53
  him last year as well. And yeah, we, we took a few
• 1:15:56
  trips across to, to that table. It was pretty impressive mouth.
• 1:16:00
  Yes, very very good stuff. Just to share, good it is.
• 1:16:04
  I ended up buying two of the same head just because of how
• 1:16:06
  well they were. Painted yes.
• 1:16:09
  Every time I put one of those out and about, Mao came right
• 1:16:11
  back over. I was like 10 more than.
• 1:16:13
  Oh, I listened to both that when I came over the last.
• 1:16:15
  I thought I did, still haven't decided what to do with them,
• 1:16:18
  but they were just so nicely painted that you'll.
• 1:16:24
  Always have the, you know, that's the main.
• 1:16:25
  Yeah, that's it. When she got there.
• 1:16:28
  And your buddy Nick is going to help you again this year,
• 1:16:30
  Eugene, is that right? Yep, that's correct.
• 1:16:32
  He's going to be my booth eye candy again this year.
• 1:16:35
  And you know, so if he need to negotiate prices, he's the one
• 1:16:39
  you talked to so. All right, Yeah.
• 1:16:42
  He's a harder negotiator than I am.
• 1:16:44
  OK, so he he'll he'll go down lower or?
• 1:16:50
  I I don't know, probably depending on I'm at the table or
• 1:16:52
  not. OK.
• 1:16:53
  Or he'll at. Least engage?
• 1:16:55
  He'll engage in the banter a bit more.
• 1:16:57
  Is that what you're saying? Yeah, no, he's a good, he's a
• 1:17:00
  good guy and I really appreciate him being there.
• 1:17:02
  Help. And is he local to you or did
• 1:17:04
  you meet him through the? Actually, him and I have been
• 1:17:09
  friends for well over a decade. We actually met through the
• 1:17:13
  Transformers community. We had met on a message board
• 1:17:17
  there and then we had met up at a Transformers convention back
• 1:17:20
  in 2012 or 2014. And he's the one who actually
• 1:17:26
  got me into mythics because he, you know, he's a big Hellboy fan
• 1:17:30
  and he's like, hey, you should probably look at these Templars
• 1:17:32
  or some of these creatures because that seems to be
• 1:17:34
  aesthetic and, you know, been hooked ever since.
• 1:17:39
  But he's the he's. The dealer.
• 1:17:43
  He he is. He's he's the one.
• 1:17:45
  I'll get you hooked. But he's he's actually up by
• 1:17:48
  Noah. He lives in Minnesota.
• 1:17:49
  By Noah so. Right.
• 1:17:52
  OK. So a lot of cool guys there.
• 1:17:54
  And you're over in Nebraska, which is a bit further to the
• 1:17:57
  West. Basically, there's a longer
• 1:18:00
  drive. Again, that's what we're talking
• 1:18:01
  about, yeah. If I were to drive again, it
• 1:18:06
  would be about 20 to 21 hours, so it's pretty long you.
• 1:18:11
  Drove last year though, did you? I did.
• 1:18:13
  I'm not driving this year. I'm flying in this year.
• 1:18:15
  So. Yeah, that's why you looked.
• 1:18:17
  That's why you looked so exhausted.
• 1:18:21
  That was your first time last year, wasn't it, as an
• 1:18:23
  exhibitor? It was and the weekend before I
• 1:18:26
  had exhibited, yeah on the weekend before I had exhibited
• 1:18:29
  at a local toy show. So I had back-to-back shows,
• 1:18:33
  weekends. So it was, there was no break in
• 1:18:35
  between. It was very hectic. 2 weeks
• 1:18:37
  stretch. Yeah, but you had a little, you
• 1:18:41
  had a little dry run, I guess at least to test the setup.
• 1:18:45
  And you know, those kind of small little details that tend
• 1:18:48
  to crop up on you when you get the table and you get you get
• 1:18:52
  your stuff out of the boxes and you're like, oh, shoot, I have
• 1:18:55
  to make a display here. Absolutely.
• 1:18:58
  That's something that the first time you do it, you don't really
• 1:19:01
  think of. You think, oh, it's going to
• 1:19:02
  look great, you know, You don't have all the things you have at
• 1:19:06
  home, you know? No, no you don't.
• 1:19:09
  Tablecloths, plastic bags, you know, there's all sorts of
• 1:19:12
  little odds and stuff you just don't think about.
• 1:19:15
  Yeah, I mean, Len LaGuardia was a was a definitely a dream last
• 1:19:20
  year to sort out a few. She sorted us out for the
• 1:19:23
  tablecloth and he did the we, we got him to do a runner for us
• 1:19:28
  and a few other bits like that. But just, I guess these
• 1:19:31
  experienced guys knows what needed and then they offer in
• 1:19:34
  the community and you're like, OK, you know, I'm happy to give
• 1:19:37
  you $40 or whatever dollars. It was, was not much I can tell
• 1:19:41
  you for what it was. And the tablecloth was like a
• 1:19:43
  rental thing. So it was only a few dollars.
• 1:19:47
  So it was really cool. But yeah, so you're bringing all
• 1:19:53
  your stuff on the plane or how's that working?
• 1:19:56
  Yeah, I'm going to. I'll probably just have enough
• 1:19:59
  to fit one checked baggage if that I've.
• 1:20:06
  I sold through probably about 60 to 70% of my stock last year and
• 1:20:11
  I sold some more throughout the year.
• 1:20:14
  So everything that didn't sell last year will be there again,
• 1:20:17
  along with all the new stuff that I've done this year, so.
• 1:20:21
  I just want to try to make sure that I get through the older
• 1:20:25
  stuff as much as I can. And I last year, you know, with
• 1:20:29
  having my personal vehicle there, it was easier to take
• 1:20:32
  more than I needed and that was kind of kind of overwhelming at
• 1:20:36
  times. So I think just trying to make
• 1:20:38
  it a little tidier this year and a little more buttoned up will
• 1:20:43
  probably make it a little easier weekend and hopefully give me
• 1:20:46
  some time to actually go and see everybody else's stuff a bit
• 1:20:48
  more too. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:20:50
  I think, I think we're all in that boat.
• 1:20:52
  But some of that older stuff that might be starting to get
• 1:20:54
  rare, you know, and even even even though you might if the
• 1:20:57
  instinct might be to put that on discount, but you might be, you
• 1:21:00
  know, this scope is not available anymore and that's
• 1:21:02
  interesting. There's a lot of MAFC sculpts on
• 1:21:06
  that federal third. There you go.
• 1:21:10
  So depending on the appeal of them, they're definitely
• 1:21:13
  something there. But I mean, the main thing is to
• 1:21:16
  yeah, it's always, but I think it's about the turnover.
• 1:21:18
  You know, you got to get things moving, you know, because you
• 1:21:21
  could be saying, OK, I remember spending like 5 hours on this
• 1:21:25
  head and killed me and you want to get whatever dollars for it
• 1:21:29
  and someone's offering you a bit less than you're like, you know
• 1:21:32
  what, I'll probably just take it because I don't want to bring it
• 1:21:33
  home. You know, at that point, to a
• 1:21:36
  certain point, as long as it's a bit over what you paid for the
• 1:21:39
  basic sculpt, you're winning. And then it's a matter of OK,
• 1:21:43
  OK, I didn't get a very good early rate there, but at the
• 1:21:45
  same time, I probably was watching the movie or listening
• 1:21:48
  to a show podcast or something. So it was my hobby time.
• 1:21:53
  It was you were still enjoying yourself.
• 1:21:54
  It's not like the, I mean, OK, a lot of people do enjoy their
• 1:21:57
  jobs, but a lot of people just grind the 8 hours or whatever a
• 1:22:00
  day at work and they're happy that they get paid for it and
• 1:22:04
  that's about it. And so you're lucky if you do
• 1:22:06
  have the joy in it. But I think us customizers and
• 1:22:10
  stuff that do it as a hobby and I think make a bit of money to
• 1:22:14
  kind of do it again is kind of what the way I look at it, you
• 1:22:18
  know, that's it's fine. We can't get paid our hourly
• 1:22:20
  rate because it just wouldn't, it wouldn't work with it.
• 1:22:25
  Definitely not so much. We wouldn't, definitely wouldn't
• 1:22:27
  meet the minimum wage rules or whatever.
• 1:22:30
  Assume you have minimum wage rules over there, do you?
• 1:22:33
  Yeah. We do so.
• 1:22:36
  Yeah. So I think for, you know, if you
• 1:22:38
  were to buy a Medusa head sculpt off somebody or something, you
• 1:22:41
  know, you, there's no, there's no hourly rate that's going to
• 1:22:44
  be able to get you to afford that.
• 1:22:46
  No, no, especially not some of the paint job.
• 1:22:48
  Some of those guys put on it and the guys and gals put on it.
• 1:22:52
  I've not tackled those yet. Someday I will, but just haven't
• 1:22:57
  gotten around to it. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:22:59
  That's that's for when you're, when you're under no pressure
• 1:23:03
  and you're just doing it for your own pleasure.
• 1:23:05
  Maybe you know, a nice sunny day in the summer when you've had a
• 1:23:09
  when you you know, when you fridge full of beer and you can
• 1:23:12
  start off, you know, with a steady hand.
• 1:23:15
  By the end of it, you're like crying.
• 1:23:17
  You can't do this. So just like every other day.
• 1:23:21
  Got it. Yeah.
• 1:23:24
  Sounds good, but yeah, do you do you still find the, the whole
• 1:23:27
  the customizing kind of very like a big stress reliever and
• 1:23:31
  the kind of, you know, a good way to kind of clear the head
• 1:23:33
  and. Yeah, at the end of the day,
• 1:23:37
  it's what I enjoy with it the most.
• 1:23:42
  Is. Trying out the new things
• 1:23:44
  because I tend to go through spurts and hyper fixations where
• 1:23:50
  I want to learn a technique or I want to learn a painting style.
• 1:23:53
  And then I will just hammer that for, you know, maybe a couple
• 1:23:56
  days, maybe a couple weeks, depending on how much free time
• 1:23:58
  I have until I feel confident in that.
• 1:24:02
  And then I'll finish that up and then I'll usually take a break
• 1:24:05
  and then on to the next thing that kind of piques my interest.
• 1:24:08
  So like this year I made a goal to try to get better human skin
• 1:24:13
  tone because I I was not very confident in my skin tones.
• 1:24:16
  So that was a big focus on me for a few months this year.
• 1:24:21
  Cool. We're looking forward.
• 1:24:22
  We have a couple of pictures for later and where we go through
• 1:24:25
  some of the stuff you sent over. But I think as with all of these
• 1:24:30
  things, seeing them in person is the real the real key.
• 1:24:33
  You know, the photos are fine for giving you an idea, but in
• 1:24:38
  person really does. I remember spoken about it
• 1:24:42
  before when I first went. Allegiance gone.
• 1:24:44
  I saw the in person, the head scopes.
• 1:24:46
  I was like, OK, I need to work harder, you know, OK, I know
• 1:24:51
  that I can see it's possible here.
• 1:24:54
  There's only starting off anyway or you know, kind of a year into
• 1:24:57
  it, but I was like, OK, this is a this is possible to achieve.
• 1:25:02
  These are the guys are doing this so I know what I need to
• 1:25:04
  look like, look at in person. And I'm not just looking at
• 1:25:07
  pictures because pictures can also, you know, some people can
• 1:25:11
  maybe take very flattering pictures sometimes as well.
• 1:25:14
  That can also work in the reverse.
• 1:25:16
  I don't know how to do that myself but.
• 1:25:19
  If you figure that out, if you figure that out, let me know
• 1:25:21
  because I look at mine. Geez, I hope people see this in
• 1:25:24
  person because this picture is not it's.
• 1:25:26
  Just getting into a very dark room, you know, and just
• 1:25:29
  switching off the light and taking a picture.
• 1:25:30
  Yeah, then then it looks. Oh, I look my best, yeah.
• 1:25:37
  Turn the lights off. Oh yeah, and who?
• 1:25:44
  So besides from obviously your table, who else do you always
• 1:25:48
  look forward to or anyone new this year that you're looking
• 1:25:51
  forward to seeing or people customs, you know?
• 1:25:56
  People I mean there's just there's so many I don't want to
• 1:25:59
  leave anybody out I mean you 3 odd well you 2 minus rich.
• 1:26:03
  I mean, whatever Bridge keeps talking me so you know he's.
• 1:26:06
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he's.
• 1:26:07
  Done that a few times on this series.
• 1:26:09
  You know, he's he's ducking people.
• 1:26:12
  You know, I think Anthony was possibly the only one he
• 1:26:14
  purposely ducked. We can say, you know, he did
• 1:26:17
  that, but let's just let's just say that.
• 1:26:22
  You know I'm. Ducking you?
• 1:26:25
  I'm looking forward to seeing you 3 again.
• 1:26:28
  Noah, Dennis, Eric, a lot of people, you know, Eric, LeBron,
• 1:26:36
  I, Bryan Berg. I feel bad because I'm going to
• 1:26:39
  leave somebody out. You know, Len, Len's one of the
• 1:26:41
  nicest people imaginable. There's Nate Armstrong, Eric
• 1:26:46
  Bachman. My good buddy Daniel Douglas
• 1:26:49
  will be there this year for the first time, so I'm really
• 1:26:51
  looking forward to seeing him. So it's there's a lot of people.
• 1:26:55
  Is he attending or is he anything with an exhibitor as
• 1:26:58
  well? No, just attending SO.
• 1:27:01
  OK. There's there's so many people
• 1:27:04
  that I want to see, you know, art, arts.
• 1:27:05
  I I feel bad because I know I'm going to leave people out and I
• 1:27:08
  don't want to do that because there's so many people are
• 1:27:10
  genuinely we can. Take for granted anyone you
• 1:27:13
  don't mention is still included. You know you know it's just what
• 1:27:17
  comes to the top of the head. But so all you guys up around
• 1:27:22
  that area actually seem to be very chill.
• 1:27:24
  I mean, obviously Noah, we know Noah is not.
• 1:27:27
  I mean, he's Minnesota, so not that far from you.
• 1:27:30
  He's very chill as well. So is that a thing up there?
• 1:27:33
  Is it just that you feel kind of like you're in the middle of
• 1:27:36
  everything? So, you know, just let the other
• 1:27:38
  sides kind of battle it out and we just chill in the middle
• 1:27:40
  here. I don't know.
• 1:27:44
  For me, it's, you know, it's, it's just fun time, you know,
• 1:27:47
  it's. Yeah.
• 1:27:48
  It's not like I'm going there to, you know, make my rent or,
• 1:27:52
  or, you know, make my mortgage or anything like that.
• 1:27:54
  So, you know, it's for me, it's a time to go and find some
• 1:27:59
  inspiration and see some new ideas and talk to, you know, a
• 1:28:04
  lot of people with shared interests and, you know, have
• 1:28:07
  some fun. And, you know, it's you see Noah
• 1:28:10
  walking around with kick signs on his back.
• 1:28:12
  That was Dennis. It was not me.
• 1:28:13
  So, yeah, but it's, I just think for the most part, you know,
• 1:28:20
  there's a very good group of people to just enjoy the
• 1:28:27
  process, the arts and the community.
• 1:28:30
  And every community is kind of got that tipping point where
• 1:28:34
  maybe it gets a bit more competitive, for lack of a
• 1:28:38
  better term, or a bit more critical.
• 1:28:43
  And it doesn't seem like it's hit that yet.
• 1:28:44
  And that's one of the things that I really appreciate about
• 1:28:47
  the community that, you know, Walter and the admins and
• 1:28:49
  everybody have cultivated there and that the horsemen and Jeremy
• 1:28:53
  and Viteri have cultivated with their show is it's, it's a very
• 1:28:56
  supportive area. And they don't, you know, if
• 1:29:00
  there is nonsense, Doesn't seem to be much of it.
• 1:29:04
  It's a little bit it's it's kind of self regulating a bit, you
• 1:29:07
  know, without being like, you know, there's nobody coming over
• 1:29:09
  kind of, you know, being overbearing and kind of saying,
• 1:29:12
  you know, you need to stop guys. But it's kind of more of AI
• 1:29:15
  think people just know the what to do.
• 1:29:17
  And there might be the odd side I thrown at somebody that's
• 1:29:21
  starting to get out of line. And then it's, you know, nothing
• 1:29:23
  really happens or I don't know, I don't see anyone making a big
• 1:29:26
  intervention saying, you know, we need to stop the BS over
• 1:29:29
  here, guys. You know, it just seems to just
• 1:29:32
  seems to work. But I do think a lot of it is
• 1:29:35
  also the shared interest and the fact that maybe a lot of us
• 1:29:40
  don't get to in our day-to-day lives kind of chat to people
• 1:29:44
  about this hobby. And with the kind of enthusiasm
• 1:29:47
  and the, you know, the just the interest and the no, no
• 1:29:51
  explanations required. It's just, you know, we can skip
• 1:29:54
  to just, you know, what we think.
• 1:29:56
  There's no, there's no context needed.
• 1:29:59
  It's just, yeah, we're all here and we all know why we're here.
• 1:30:01
  And we can just talk about what we like and what we don't like.
• 1:30:05
  And then you can go off and all the other directions, of course,
• 1:30:07
  talking about, you know, all sorts of other interests you
• 1:30:10
  have in your life and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:30:11
  But you start the start of the conversation is the hobby, which
• 1:30:15
  is kind of the opposite, I think, to what we do every day.
• 1:30:18
  You know, if you're talking to Co worker about your hobby, you
• 1:30:22
  probably have to be given a bit of context and explain and and
• 1:30:25
  try and say it's, you know, I'm not a child, you know, you know,
• 1:30:27
  kind of the best thing. And and it's like, but I think
• 1:30:30
  in these days it's getting more and more acceptable or normalize
• 1:30:34
  that your people text stuff and it's the same as people that
• 1:30:37
  click watches and it's the same as people that, you know, click
• 1:30:40
  stamps or whatever. It's it's nothing different to
• 1:30:43
  that. You know, it's just now that
• 1:30:46
  there's a long enough era of toys that, you know, toys are
• 1:30:50
  kind of something that's kind of from far in the past as well.
• 1:30:53
  They can be the nostalgia, but there's also this modern cool
• 1:30:57
  stuff that we can all be into too.
• 1:30:59
  Yeah, I think it's very cyclical.
• 1:31:01
  I mean, you know, every age group I think kind of has that
• 1:31:04
  thing that they go through. You know, we've all probably
• 1:31:07
  lived through, you know, comics being, you know, a huge
• 1:31:10
  collection for a lot of people and that that spanned a lot of
• 1:31:13
  different time frames, you know, because you're talking, you
• 1:31:17
  know, the golden age back in what, the 1920s and 30s through
• 1:31:20
  current. I mean, you're still almost 100
• 1:31:21
  years later and people still collect them.
• 1:31:24
  And I just think in general, there's a lot less, for lack of
• 1:31:29
  a better term, shame surrounded, you know, the the nerd, the
• 1:31:33
  nerdy aspect of things, or, you know, maybe the what weren't
• 1:31:38
  historically perceived as the usual hobbies.
• 1:31:42
  And that's, you know, I love it because you find out there's so
• 1:31:46
  many more people that actually have those interests and, you
• 1:31:49
  know, just your own little circle where you're located at.
• 1:31:53
  Well, totally. Yeah.
• 1:31:54
  Today I was watching a movie and there was skateboarding around.
• 1:31:58
  And this is a movie aimed at tweens.
• 1:32:01
  And it made me think that actually this, you know, just
• 1:32:05
  exactly what you've said there, that a lot of what used to be
• 1:32:08
  subculture or you know, nerd culture when we were younger is
• 1:32:12
  now popular culture and all, a lot more people, a lot of kids
• 1:32:18
  are into it all as well, maybe in a different way.
• 1:32:21
  But I like to say a lot less pointing fingers and shame about
• 1:32:27
  doing it and spending the money on it for sure.
• 1:32:31
  I'm just watching an animated stuff that's more and more like
• 1:32:35
  what's OK as an adult. You could watch an animated
• 1:32:37
  series and it can actually be, you know, full of actually grown
• 1:32:41
  up themes and you know, like can be maybe even on the violent
• 1:32:45
  spectrum, could be blood and gory that you wouldn't you'd
• 1:32:49
  say, OK, I can't let my kids watch this and it's a cartoon.
• 1:32:52
  Whereas, you know, 10/15/20 years ago, if you ask my dad,
• 1:32:56
  you know, should we watch an animated thing, he'd be like
• 1:32:58
  what 20, you know, can't be watching that.
• 1:33:03
  So it's definitely moved on. Definitely moved on, right.
• 1:33:08
  Shall we move on to have a little look at some of the stuff
• 1:33:11
  you have, Eugene? How about that?
• 1:33:13
  Yeah, sounds good. So First off, I was extremely
• 1:33:17
  impressed. Now we've, we're straight into,
• 1:33:19
  I mean, there's there's cosmic stuff in here as well, Mal, but
• 1:33:22
  we're straight into tickling Mal's pin collecting fancies
• 1:33:27
  here, some beautiful pins and you've gone, you've gone all out
• 1:33:32
  here and making me feel a little bit like I should have done more
• 1:33:35
  for the podcast there with some great pins here.
• 1:33:38
  So tell us about these. So this is actually a
• 1:33:42
  collaboration with George from the studio.
• 1:33:47
  So George actually did these for me and the designs are actually
• 1:33:52
  done by my friend Daniel Douglas in the Cabal.
• 1:33:56
  He's the one who made my logo years ago and he gave me a few
• 1:33:58
  options and I liked them. So I thought, well, I reached
• 1:34:02
  out to George at Legions Con last year and kind of asked him,
• 1:34:06
  you know, what it would entail. And he said, well, just reach
• 1:34:08
  out to me. And I had lost those contact
• 1:34:11
  information. And Eric Miller was kind enough
• 1:34:13
  to point me in the right direction from there.
• 1:34:16
  So George and I had went back and forth and came up with these
• 1:34:21
  four designs based on logos the Dan had made for me.
• 1:34:24
  So these were done by him. I got him in earlier this
• 1:34:27
  summer. I think this is what I would
• 1:34:30
  call the official reveal because I had sent out a couple just to
• 1:34:33
  a few people throughout the year, but I hadn't actually
• 1:34:35
  announced them because I wanted to.
• 1:34:38
  Kind of say that meet the the the pics of them.
• 1:34:40
  And I was like, oh cool, this is going to be cool.
• 1:34:44
  So for the listeners, we're looking at these 44 designs.
• 1:34:51
  We're looking at two different types of shield with at the top
• 1:34:58
  a full T Rex with a little flame on his tail, one in red, one in
• 1:35:04
  yellow back with a sorry red or yellow backdrop.
• 1:35:07
  And below that it's not a flame, is it?
• 1:35:11
  It's his paintbrush. Sorry, Eugene.
• 1:35:16
  And then below that, a slightly smaller pin with the sort of
• 1:35:21
  portrait of the T Rex with a little paintbrush in his hand.
• 1:35:25
  Again, red background and yellow background.
• 1:35:30
  So if you see me on any of my socials, it's it's my logo in
• 1:35:34
  pin format essentially. And my, you know, my name that I
• 1:35:41
  had kind of chosen for the hobby was based upon an old forum
• 1:35:46
  name. And then because I was your mock
• 1:35:48
  is keen on that because it was one of my favorite episodes of
• 1:35:51
  Transformers growing up was, you know, this big strong dinosaurs,
• 1:35:56
  whatever. I'm in charge here, you know,
• 1:35:58
  And during the time that I made that name, I've gotten my PhD in
• 1:36:03
  psychology. And so then we did a dumb.
• 1:36:07
  Now, Mal, when you tell us, yeah, he just drops a line.
• 1:36:10
  Oh. Pickle, as I look in the
• 1:36:12
  microphone, you know, sorry. Don't let us derail you.
• 1:36:17
  It makes you feel. Me better.
• 1:36:22
  I don't get to use it as much as I thought I would, so it doesn't
• 1:36:25
  really affect. Yours today much the letters.
• 1:36:27
  It shows you're smart. It shows I'm persistent or.
• 1:36:30
  Persistent one or the other? We'll go with persistent, but so
• 1:36:35
  that's how that kind of came across because I was going back
• 1:36:37
  and forth with Dan on it and then I said, you know, I, you
• 1:36:41
  know, with copyright stuff, I didn't want to run a file of
• 1:36:44
  Hasbro or anything like that. So we just kind of at that time,
• 1:36:47
  I'd been working on a plague Dr. custom.
• 1:36:49
  He goes what? And he goes, well, you know, why
• 1:36:52
  don't we kind of go from that ankle?
• 1:36:54
  I was like, you know, like I like that.
• 1:36:55
  And so that's kind of how Doctor Graham Customs came about.
• 1:36:59
  Yeah, it works. It's awesome.
• 1:37:01
  You had you had little magnets, really cool magnets actually,
• 1:37:04
  last year with the logo, didn't you?
• 1:37:06
  Yeah, yeah, my wife made those for everybody last year.
• 1:37:12
  And this year I will not have magnets, but I'll all the pens
• 1:37:15
  will be for sale. Not sure on the price yet,
• 1:37:20
  probably either 10 or $8 and then a discount if you get all
• 1:37:23
  four. Yeah.
• 1:37:25
  And I will also have those little badge ribbons that
• 1:37:29
  everybody else has been posting about lately.
• 1:37:32
  I haven't come in yet. And I'll have some stickers as
• 1:37:35
  well. Cool.
• 1:37:38
  So you know, you can get some, you can get some swag on top of
• 1:37:41
  the normal stuff, but that's really cool.
• 1:37:45
  And that's definitely pins that are going to be on my little pin
• 1:37:48
  thing that you can't see behind me over here.
• 1:37:51
  I'm looking forward to that right.
• 1:37:55
  Let's get on to some customs straight away with the Cosby.
• 1:38:00
  So we we were chatting about the red for the the red jet pilot
• 1:38:06
  for ages in the summer and then you had nailed it and I was
• 1:38:10
  like, you know what I'm going to I'm going to concentrate on some
• 1:38:14
  of the stuff here because Eugene has this nailed and we can see
• 1:38:17
  how much as we go along here. So this is a this is watch.
• 1:38:24
  Who did this head sculpt? Like where does this come from?
• 1:38:27
  I think it's a Wolf King customs head sculpt.
• 1:38:30
  I think that's one of them that landed done.
• 1:38:32
  And the original idea, and I just haven't gotten around to
• 1:38:36
  it, was there was a samurai skeleton transformer by the name
• 1:38:41
  of Bludgeon. And originally that's where I
• 1:38:43
  was going to go with it. And then, you know, as I was
• 1:38:46
  constantly, you know, messaging you how frustrated I was trying
• 1:38:49
  to find that red color. It became one of my test.
• 1:38:52
  Heads so nice, well worked. It worked really like this.
• 1:38:57
  So it's a skeleton with the kind of a it's it looks like a cap.
• 1:39:02
  Is it or it's some sort of a helmet?
• 1:39:05
  That's the yeah, the samurai helmet headdress.
• 1:39:08
  Yeah, very cool, right? We've got a bunch of them here
• 1:39:14
  then, so now let's come into your table already we can see
• 1:39:20
  that recognizes a few Wolf Kings here, a few Brian Burke's looks
• 1:39:25
  like. So Anthony, want to tell us
• 1:39:31
  about these? I love the gold as well with the
• 1:39:33
  red. That really works.
• 1:39:35
  Thank you. Yeah, most of these, like you
• 1:39:38
  said, are Wolf King or Brian Burke.
• 1:39:41
  There's also the bottom right, the little samurai look at one.
• 1:39:44
  I think that one is from the Star Wars Geek Customs on eBay
• 1:39:49
  that I had linked you about earlier.
• 1:39:50
  So I bought in a few different like Star Wars and Halo inspired
• 1:39:54
  ones, and that was one that caught my eye.
• 1:39:56
  So on these, I just was kind of looking for ways to spruce up
• 1:40:02
  the red jets because I really like the.
• 1:40:04
  It's one of the most beautiful cosmic ones, and it is, yeah.
• 1:40:09
  I just wanted to kind of have a nice little variety for people
• 1:40:12
  to pick from, especially if they'd gotten some during the
• 1:40:15
  sale this summer that went on for a while.
• 1:40:17
  So absolutely, yeah, because they are, they are a figure that
• 1:40:23
  you want to have a squad of. So if you have a squad of them,
• 1:40:27
  what's cooler than that is they all have a slightly different
• 1:40:31
  helmet, head sculpt, whatever it be so really cool.
• 1:40:35
  So go to Eugene for your red jets.
• 1:40:39
  And here's a cosmic robot fox fox kind of wolf.
• 1:40:45
  And it's one of the bundles that landed when he was selling the
• 1:40:49
  builders. So I can't remember exactly what
• 1:40:52
  the the name of it was, but that was one of the first ones that I
• 1:40:56
  had messed around with trying to get that color right.
• 1:41:00
  That's really good that one. It looks pretty spot on to be
• 1:41:02
  honest to me. So and we have another one here.
• 1:41:09
  This is a more more robot looking one or I don't know what
• 1:41:13
  you'd call it, but yeah, pretty cool.
• 1:41:18
  Oh, I know this one. This this skeleton head I've
• 1:41:21
  done a few times in different colours, not in this colour, but
• 1:41:24
  yeah, it's kind of like a robot skeleton with the, the kind of
• 1:41:28
  cables coming into the, he's kind of like ports on the head
• 1:41:31
  that look like they're, you know, feeding him a bit like the
• 1:41:34
  slog thing where he's connected and kind of juiced up.
• 1:41:39
  So that was a great idea with this head and the gold teeth.
• 1:41:46
  You know, it kind of comes off a little Iron Man at times, but I
• 1:41:48
  like the contrast between that it breaks up the red and the gun
• 1:41:51
  metal a bit it. Works though, yeah, sure works.
• 1:41:55
  I saw people when they saw the red jet body originally.
• 1:41:57
  I remember people going, oh, Iron Man customs.
• 1:42:00
  So there'll be people eager to get that sort of colour palette
• 1:42:04
  for sure. Exactly.
• 1:42:06
  Now see, we're talking about skin tones.
• 1:42:08
  So you've you're, you're pandering to the dwarf crowd
• 1:42:11
  here. I am, you know, I, I don't think
• 1:42:15
  I got any money from them last year.
• 1:42:16
  So, you know, need to rectify that this year, yeah.
• 1:42:22
  When they're not, when they're not hustling, they're they're
• 1:42:26
  they're definitely buying dwarfs.
• 1:42:27
  So just wink in their general direction.
• 1:42:31
  The are these both my action figure customs scopes?
• 1:42:35
  I think 1 might be wolf kings. I think the the one with the
• 1:42:40
  brunette hair I think that one's wolf king.
• 1:42:42
  I know the blonde haired 1 is definitely MAFC.
• 1:42:45
  That's a matter. That's a matter tool, one.
• 1:42:47
  I've seen that a few times. The eyes look.
• 1:42:50
  Fantastic. Yeah.
• 1:42:53
  I love the. I love the fact that you did the
• 1:42:55
  kind of real shadow around the eyes and then the the kind of
• 1:43:00
  bright eye in behind it. It looks it looks very almost
• 1:43:03
  Viking like might. Have been watching The Last
• 1:43:07
  Kingdom a little bit. Oh yeah, what a show.
• 1:43:11
  What a show. We should start a podcast about
• 1:43:14
  that. Maybe a little Patreon side side
• 1:43:21
  quest. So we got a bunch of yeah, red
• 1:43:24
  jet helmets here as well. I love the one that's on the
• 1:43:26
  torso there. You don't know where that one is
• 1:43:29
  from or. It's a Brian C, it's one of his.
• 1:43:33
  So it's his, I think he calls it the Angel.
• 1:43:35
  I can't remember. It's the Angel night or just
• 1:43:37
  it's the night helmet that he had.
• 1:43:39
  I gotten a few from him last year that I take into the show
• 1:43:42
  and people really like that design.
• 1:43:44
  And so when I ordered a few more parts from him after the show, I
• 1:43:48
  grabbed a few and I thought, well, let's see what that looks
• 1:43:51
  like. So.
• 1:43:53
  That's cool. And this big yellow alien type
• 1:43:56
  sculpt that is really cool as well.
• 1:44:00
  That one was from Legion shop before they closed down.
• 1:44:04
  I think that might be Mark Rivera that did that one.
• 1:44:06
  I can't remember 100% who did that one.
• 1:44:08
  OK. So I think that's that's Jesse
• 1:44:13
  Arnold's kind of group there in Mark Rivera and Brian Season.
• 1:44:17
  You're covered there with those three boys.
• 1:44:21
  More red jets. Look at this off the
• 1:44:23
  Transformers type One over here is cool as well.
• 1:44:25
  I think that's an Emile Wickman sculpt, isn't it?
• 1:44:29
  Yeah, that one I need to. I might have to take a wash that
• 1:44:32
  one before I seal it just to knock the color down a little
• 1:44:34
  bit. But I really like that the black
• 1:44:38
  on that one, it's that krill satin black that's become my go
• 1:44:42
  to for so many things lately. Oh, me too.
• 1:44:45
  Yeah, I have to say that yeah, that black because it wasn't a
• 1:44:47
  huge fan of their not black. It's good for certain things,
• 1:44:50
  but this new satin black they have is fantastic for all these
• 1:44:55
  kind of black where you want it slightly shiny but not like
• 1:44:59
  glossy. Really nice.
• 1:45:03
  And that one you did, you paint that one that's on the body as
• 1:45:06
  well now. It's the Von Box 1 isn't it?
• 1:45:10
  From. Yeah.
• 1:45:11
  Brian Burke, which I think an awesome sculpt.
• 1:45:15
  Really sort of sinister. Yeah, it's one of my favorites.
• 1:45:19
  He's done. I was going back and forth
• 1:45:21
  because I I ordered 2 each month because I usually figure, OK,
• 1:45:25
  I'll make one and maybe sell one.
• 1:45:28
  This is one where I'm like I'm going to sell it, but I probably
• 1:45:31
  will not keep the other one. That's that I've painted that I
• 1:45:34
  haven't shown so. Yeah.
• 1:45:38
  Yeah, I mean, it's, I think, I think they're going to be
• 1:45:41
  popular scubs for I mean, they're cool.
• 1:45:43
  And also they're they're quite hard to track down if you
• 1:45:46
  haven't been subscribed to the one box, right.
• 1:45:54
  Let's move along. Oh, look at that.
• 1:45:56
  So we've got some more Cosmic. You see, Cosmic is so fun to
• 1:45:59
  paint, isn't it? There's less rules, which I
• 1:46:02
  appreciate. Gives me a license to be a
• 1:46:05
  little bit weird with it, which I appreciate, which I like
• 1:46:08
  doing. So you can experiment and you
• 1:46:10
  can try new techniques, as you said.
• 1:46:13
  And the thing I like about these is they glow in the dark, don't
• 1:46:17
  they? Yeah.
• 1:46:19
  These I've got a lot of them. I cosmic have some element of
• 1:46:24
  fluorescent in it. Here we go.
• 1:46:27
  I forgot you do that. There you go, they always look.
• 1:46:29
  So as well in the dark and easy, you've even got some like almost
• 1:46:34
  magic ink, you would say the way it works where you can put the
• 1:46:39
  blue light on it and it shows you some kind of code or
• 1:46:44
  inscription on the head. So.
• 1:46:46
  My goal every time I paint a cosmic sculpt is to make Mal go
• 1:46:50
  OK, I need to spend more money. You're working there's people
• 1:46:57
  who paint vampires that just think of rich and you know
• 1:47:01
  there's people there's people that paint cosmic like you you
• 1:47:03
  Dean and they they think ma yeah, I like it.
• 1:47:06
  That works perfect. And again, this sculpted that we
• 1:47:10
  talked about over here, the skeleton again with the the
• 1:47:13
  cables differently done, totally changes it up and really works.
• 1:47:18
  Again, the eyes as well. Every all the eyes are different
• 1:47:23
  here, but they all work in their own little different way.
• 1:47:26
  So I really appreciate that. This lady here.
• 1:47:31
  Amazing. Yeah.
• 1:47:34
  She's probably my favorite one I've done this year.
• 1:47:37
  I did a lot of different things with her that I hadn't done
• 1:47:39
  before. Yeah, it's, it's really cool
• 1:47:44
  firstly that you've done the the kind of two different types of
• 1:47:48
  skin tones, a bit like how Vorga has done in a way and to kind of
• 1:47:54
  line them up is already difficult, I guess.
• 1:47:58
  So what did you did you get the blue down and then and then go
• 1:48:01
  over with the with the kind of pinkish color or how did you do
• 1:48:04
  that? So I on that one, I just put the
• 1:48:08
  base coat down on both at the same time so that I could kind
• 1:48:10
  of clean up the edges as I went along.
• 1:48:14
  And then the the blue, I did finish up first because I
• 1:48:18
  actually went in and it's probably easier to see on the
• 1:48:21
  fluorescent one. But then I went and I did like
• 1:48:23
  fluorescent light tattoos on the pink and with the hair.
• 1:48:29
  So that was the first time I tried to do some different type
• 1:48:36
  of tattooed skin. So that was that was a fun one
• 1:48:39
  to experiment with. Yeah, she's really cool.
• 1:48:43
  And then the hair is now another kind of bright colour, like so
• 1:48:48
  fluorescent green again, close up.
• 1:48:52
  So, you know, yeah, I'm definitely bringing a blue light
• 1:48:56
  to Legions Con because I have something like this as well.
• 1:48:58
  But also to go around to Eugene's table and just, you
• 1:49:01
  know, maybe tell Joe, Joe Vetre, can you switch off the lights
• 1:49:04
  there for a SEC? So that happened last year,
• 1:49:09
  actually by ex. I kind of got a flashback when I
• 1:49:12
  said that it was a little power outage for a minute or two,
• 1:49:16
  yeah. Remember, was that Friday night
• 1:49:18
  or was that during the show itself?
• 1:49:20
  I. Think it was during the show but
• 1:49:22
  but I could be wrong. Could be wrong and right.
• 1:49:25
  More human skin tones and I love all of these.
• 1:49:29
  I especially like the second one from the left with the kind of
• 1:49:33
  more modern looking haircut. Almost here.
• 1:49:38
  Yeah. Just the the the depth he got in
• 1:49:42
  this guy is really amazing. Yeah, it's one that I bought a
• 1:49:47
  few of them before they retired it and at some point it will be
• 1:49:50
  a grown up Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes, but I got to get the
• 1:49:54
  time to flush that all out. Love that.
• 1:49:58
  So this, that's, these are all sebadomscos, is that right?
• 1:50:03
  All but the second one from the right.
• 1:50:05
  That's a little second one from the right.
• 1:50:06
  Yeah, that's a working OK. I knew three of them.
• 1:50:11
  I took a chance. But hey, that's my that's one of
• 1:50:14
  my favorite service cups. The one in the far right.
• 1:50:16
  He's. Yeah, I'm going to be really sad
• 1:50:19
  when that one goes away. Yeah, but you should take it off
• 1:50:22
  Eugene's hands because really good guys.
• 1:50:24
  So you know more cool looking scorps here?
• 1:50:30
  Look at that live reaction here. I missed out on the I didn't get
• 1:50:34
  the it's the the door Claire from Box that the two either
• 1:50:39
  side are from and I might be looking for one of them this
• 1:50:42
  year. Wow, very cool.
• 1:50:47
  Would you like, would you like if they glowed a little bit like
• 1:50:52
  the eyes? Even better.
• 1:50:58
  So do you have a when you do this type of a soap?
• 1:51:03
  They're they're all kind of similar, like the skin tone here
• 1:51:07
  of the two on the left, for example, is similar.
• 1:51:10
  Do you have a an idea for a race of these or do you just couldn't
• 1:51:13
  think that works well for the sculptor?
• 1:51:17
  For this, it was more, you know, like I was kind of talking
• 1:51:21
  earlier. I tend to hit a point where I
• 1:51:22
  want to try something and more natural looking fur like in
• 1:51:27
  nature was something that I hadn't really experimented with
• 1:51:31
  a lot. So I looked at, you know, some
• 1:51:35
  different animals that I thought might have kind of been inspired
• 1:51:39
  by it. So I tried a lot of oranges and
• 1:51:41
  Browns with it just to try to get a little bit more layer in
• 1:51:44
  depth with it to really bring out the texture that, you know,
• 1:51:47
  Brian and Emil had put on those sculpts.
• 1:51:51
  And yeah, a lot of it's just kind of like there's the here's
• 1:51:56
  the color wheel. I haven't messed with that
• 1:51:58
  color. What can I?
• 1:51:58
  What do I think that might work with that?
• 1:52:02
  Well, you got it, and the horns here on this guy in the middle
• 1:52:05
  look fantastic as well. I love the different shades he
• 1:52:09
  got there. And right, some more awesome
• 1:52:13
  ones. Couple of Wolf's Kings here for
• 1:52:15
  sure. Maybe all three.
• 1:52:18
  I think the one on the left is Von Box I think.
• 1:52:24
  Probably in the meal though as well.
• 1:52:25
  That's why I was thinking it was a wolf king.
• 1:52:30
  Yeah, awesome here. I love the like if you put your
• 1:52:35
  hand over the screen here, if you're watching on YouTube and
• 1:52:38
  you can just do the different halves of this kind of corrupted
• 1:52:41
  demon splash, human head. Really cool, really works.
• 1:52:48
  And again, a dwarf with a helmet with a face card that you can
• 1:52:53
  put on and off. So, you know, yeah.
• 1:52:56
  He's he'll probably be part of a full custom if I get it all done
• 1:52:59
  before I leave. So he that's actually painted to
• 1:53:03
  match the Valiant night colors. So a Valiant dwarf is currently
• 1:53:08
  about 75% done. OK, you get there.
• 1:53:13
  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Some more.
• 1:53:17
  So this one in the middle. Tell us about this one.
• 1:53:20
  Really like that one. That's another bond box I can't
• 1:53:23
  remember is no need is doing his sea themes.
• 1:53:27
  And I think I had put Pirates the Caribbean on or something
• 1:53:33
  just for background noise while I was working one day.
• 1:53:35
  And, you know, I started talking about pearls and I thought,
• 1:53:38
  well, you know, he's kind of got those Barnacle looking things on
• 1:53:40
  his face. So maybe try to make him look a
• 1:53:43
  little, you know, pearlescent. And that's how that one kind of
• 1:53:48
  came to be. I intended at some point to have
• 1:53:51
  it on a Marley body but just haven't gotten around to it.
• 1:53:56
  Oh, I think that would work. And one of the classic sebadom
• 1:54:00
  dwarfs here on the right again, with a lot of cool detail in the
• 1:54:06
  beard too. And then if we move on for that
• 1:54:10
  other one, we've got a little a little hidden message message
• 1:54:15
  here. So this is KILLU.
• 1:54:23
  So yeah, don't want to meet him in a dark alley when I have my
• 1:54:27
  blue light. Yeah, Cyber cyberpunk club or
• 1:54:33
  something, Yeah. I think it was.
• 1:54:37
  I had one last year. I have one last year that I'd
• 1:54:41
  painted similar to that and I had put you are dead on it.
• 1:54:45
  And Eric LeBron came right away. He's like, that's mine.
• 1:54:47
  It's like, OK. And I had a couple people asking
• 1:54:50
  for one similar to that. I was like, I only got the one.
• 1:54:53
  So I'll try something a little bit different this time.
• 1:54:55
  Yeah. It's cool, love it, love it.
• 1:54:59
  You got to get to Eugene's table quick to snap these up.
• 1:55:02
  Bring your blue light, search for the hidden messages and then
• 1:55:07
  some patina to show Matt Stein that he's not the only patina
• 1:55:10
  man in town. Wasn't.
• 1:55:13
  The intention? I know, I know, I know, I'm only
• 1:55:16
  just, I'm only just trying to stir the pot here.
• 1:55:20
  Looks great. This this helmet on the right is
• 1:55:23
  a Wolf King classic one. I've seen it.
• 1:55:27
  I've painted that a few times myself with different colours.
• 1:55:30
  Great great helmet and the one on the left is a cosmic one from
• 1:55:35
  wolf king and the one in the middle I don't know at all so
• 1:55:38
  might be a van box would be my guess.
• 1:55:40
  Yep, Yep, that's a bon box. So hopefully have those as part
• 1:55:45
  of full customs as well too. So they're currently they're in
• 1:55:50
  the disassembled part. But my my bronze night that I
• 1:55:55
  did or Bettina night I did last year went right away.
• 1:56:00
  So I thought I'd try to do a couple this year because the
• 1:56:04
  method I use is a bit different from everybody else's.
• 1:56:07
  Like it's it's the. Pro curl one that they had found
• 1:56:11
  about a year ago or. That's a great, that's a great
• 1:56:13
  one. Yeah.
• 1:56:14
  So this, I was going to say this is pro curl bronze here.
• 1:56:17
  Nice. That color.
• 1:56:18
  It's great. They have three.
• 1:56:20
  They have a light bronze, a bronze and a dark bronze and I
• 1:56:24
  love them. I think if I could take only
• 1:56:28
  those 3 metallic paints, I'd probably just take those three.
• 1:56:31
  You know if we'd only take 3 metallic panes because you can
• 1:56:34
  do a lot with them yes, although you would need a metallic
• 1:56:38
  silver, but they you know we'll have to live without it right?
• 1:56:44
  I wanted to show one or two other things here from your
• 1:56:47
  Instagram. So if you can bear with me for
• 1:56:50
  one second, I'll pop that up. So there we go.
• 1:56:54
  Our head. You have to you have we sent you
• 1:56:59
  the two heads to do what you will with them and you did what
• 1:57:03
  you will and we had a great job of them.
• 1:57:06
  So this is the shaniqui, the leprechaun head.
• 1:57:10
  So firstly, the beard. I mean, it just pops off the
• 1:57:14
  screen. That's really super awesome what
• 1:57:17
  you've done there with the oranges.
• 1:57:20
  Love that eyes, the green eyes. Perfect.
• 1:57:24
  And then talk to us about the the cards here.
• 1:57:27
  I love oh where on the previous picture.
• 1:57:33
  Yeah, no, John, I put. Oh, on the screen.
• 1:57:35
  Sorry. I'm on the other.
• 1:57:36
  Oh, hello. OK, I'll put you up big here.
• 1:57:39
  Sorry. Yeah, so I was.
• 1:57:41
  From Sneak Peek, throw it up there again.
• 1:57:43
  Eugene, throw it up there. Again.
• 1:57:46
  Oh wow, look at that, that looks funny.
• 1:57:49
  So you've used the Marley torso here with the with the coat?
• 1:57:52
  I love it. So I was actually trying to you
• 1:57:56
  want to red get this together for a test fit before and I ran
• 1:57:59
  out of time so. Oh, no problem mate.
• 1:58:01
  We'll, we'll, we'll happily wait to see that.
• 1:58:04
  That's going to be gold. Yeah, that, yeah, that looks
• 1:58:06
  fantastic. I love the red, so you did a
• 1:58:09
  little nod to to me here with the Irish and Luxembourg flags
• 1:58:14
  on the cards, which is super cool.
• 1:58:17
  Just that little extra mile that I love.
• 1:58:20
  And a little bit on this as well too that you and I had talked
• 1:58:23
  about. That way you can actually see it
• 1:58:25
  a little bit clearer. If you oh.
• 1:58:29
  Hello. Bring you up again.
• 1:58:31
  Sorry. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:58:32
  All right, Yeah. It's faint.
• 1:58:35
  It'll work better under the black light.
• 1:58:36
  But cool. You and I have had.
• 1:58:38
  Some conversations. Use this stone language that I
• 1:58:41
  put on the sculpt on the little metal thing on the on the hat
• 1:58:45
  where it says ELP in this old stone language.
• 1:58:49
  And what have you done then? You've I've given you a link to
• 1:58:53
  where I got it and. This is Sean.
• 1:58:57
  Sean, since there's no John that exists and that's a translator,
• 1:59:01
  so. Very cool.
• 1:59:03
  Awesome. There you go.
• 1:59:05
  So I love all those little knots and we have.
• 1:59:11
  At least two eggs. In in golden Easter eggs.
• 1:59:14
  Exactly. That's the perfect thing.
• 1:59:15
  Look at that. He's going to come and take your
• 1:59:18
  breakfast. And you can see that the beard
• 1:59:20
  glows. Yeah.
• 1:59:22
  So, yeah, all these Easter eggs, I'm telling you.
• 1:59:26
  And then the one you did Mal for us.
• 1:59:32
  So this is this one. So very cool.
• 1:59:36
  Oh, and we got. Another very cool looking, yeah.
• 1:59:42
  So here we go. Oh, look at that.
• 1:59:44
  He's coming together. Oh look, he's done the Marley
• 1:59:47
  coat again. Yeah, it's a superb piece.
• 1:59:51
  I hope they do that on the slightly cheaper figure at some
• 1:59:53
  point. It's the reason I want more
• 1:59:56
  Frankenstein's to get his coat as well.
• 1:59:58
  Yeah, yeah, that looks really, really cool.
• 2:00:01
  Oh, wow. Again, we've got some writing on
• 2:00:04
  the chest plate. Well, Runish Rune kind of
• 2:00:07
  things. Yeah.
• 2:00:08
  Interesting. Yeah.
• 2:00:10
  I got you guys's, you guys's and then Mao on there so oh.
• 2:00:15
  Awesome, awesome. There you go.
• 2:00:20
  He's coming for a smile, coming for our wallets.
• 2:00:25
  So yeah, you get a great look there at the little different
• 2:00:29
  metallic details and the teeth are awesome.
• 2:00:31
  And and this does this go under blacklight as well?
• 2:00:39
  No, this one, that one doesn't. I don't think I did any black
• 2:00:42
  light on that one. Cool.
• 2:00:46
  Yeah. You got a great look at it
• 2:00:47
  there. So I love painting that sculpt.
• 2:00:50
  I did it a few different ways and I also with the
• 2:00:53
  fluorescence. And then I also did a custom
• 2:00:56
  where I did it kind of grim, darky kind of color.
• 2:01:00
  And yeah, I think I could do it another ten ways of, you know,
• 2:01:03
  you know, if we have some leftover, she's gone, I'll
• 2:01:08
  probably just scoop them up for myself and say, right, I'm going
• 2:01:10
  to do more paint on these because they're so much fun to
• 2:01:12
  paint. So they're great, they're great
• 2:01:16
  that that sculpt is a great beginner friendly sculpt to
• 2:01:18
  paint, but it's also one that if you're, you know, you're, you're
• 2:01:21
  further down the road on your customizing journey, you can do
• 2:01:24
  all the little details and you can do more highlighting and
• 2:01:30
  washing and stuff like that. That glazing that you wouldn't,
• 2:01:34
  that you could, you know, do really easily with the kind of,
• 2:01:38
  you know, fairly beginner method and the beginner method still
• 2:01:44
  looks awesome, but you can get at that other 10% if you do
• 2:01:47
  your, your kind of more advanced techniques.
• 2:01:49
  So that's what I like about it where some sculpts like I think
• 2:01:52
  the leprechaun is a little bit more daunting to paint because
• 2:01:55
  there's just you have to do the human face and the hat is a bit
• 2:02:00
  awkward with the hair. And there's a lot of I don't
• 2:02:03
  know about you, Eugene, but I had to come back and touch up
• 2:02:05
  the hair and the hat and just make sure that, you know, then
• 2:02:08
  I, I do in LastPass and then I go off.
• 2:02:10
  There's a little bit of hair in the hat.
• 2:02:12
  I need to know, you know, go and.
• 2:02:14
  I've got to say that's one of the concepts I think I do got
• 2:02:18
  perfectly understood from my sort of what I was telling him
• 2:02:22
  was because, you know, I'd mentioned having the the plates
• 2:02:27
  like armour play thing on this with the intention that you
• 2:02:30
  could wash it and then dry brush it and still get a really good
• 2:02:34
  result if you were a bit more of a beginner, Yeah.
• 2:02:37
  Yeah, I think he got it to a tee.
• 2:02:40
  I wasn't. I was too stupid to say that.
• 2:02:42
  But at the same time I'm happy with what I got.
• 2:02:45
  They're both fantastic. We've got, we've got both bases
• 2:02:47
  covered. So if you want to go all out,
• 2:02:50
  you can get my 1:00 and if you want to just have an easy time
• 2:02:53
  and get miles, and if you want both, you can get both.
• 2:02:55
  Everyone should buy both. I agree they're fantastic
• 2:02:59
  sculpts and I appreciate you guys trusting me with the no.
• 2:03:03
  You know, if we weren't going to trust you, we weren't going to
• 2:03:05
  trust anyone. Let's be honest.
• 2:03:06
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you.
• 2:03:08
  And Eugene, the time was absolutely flown and this has
• 2:03:12
  been such fun chat and I really enjoyed it.
• 2:03:15
  And I can't wait to see you in a couple of weeks from this
• 2:03:19
  conversation and probably less than a week from when this
• 2:03:23
  episode is out. So imagine that.
• 2:03:25
  Are you just one last thing? Are you going to intern or any
• 2:03:27
  of those things? I'm not.
• 2:03:29
  We were fortunate to do intern the last two years but did not
• 2:03:33
  get picked this year. OK, I don't, I don't feel super
• 2:03:35
  bad for you then if you've done that.
• 2:03:38
  When are you? When are you hitting the tarmac
• 2:03:41
  in New York? I'm flying in Wednesday nights,
• 2:03:45
  I'll get in late Wednesday night.
• 2:03:47
  I think about 10:30 at night, so we've seen.
• 2:03:49
  Thursday after we might see it for breakfast, but otherwise we
• 2:03:53
  see a Thursday and after intern back at the hotel we can have a
• 2:04:00
  little refreshment and whatever we'll chat.
• 2:04:04
  Sound like a plan? Sounds like a plan.
• 2:04:07
  I'm going to say it's too bad Rich isn't here because, you
• 2:04:09
  know, he, he missed his little got to show.
• 2:04:15
  That off, yeah. Oh my God.
• 2:04:17
  He likes, he likes the red hellions, but you know, I'll
• 2:04:20
  just have to, I'll have to take it apart because you know, he's
• 2:04:22
  ducking me so that. Is very cool.
• 2:04:29
  That is so cool, love it Eugene. Yeah, brilliant.
• 2:04:33
  Yeah. I have.
• 2:04:34
  See, you've sent me a picture of that head before, just asking me
• 2:04:38
  what I thought of it. And would Rich, you know, would
• 2:04:41
  Rich be impressed? Yeah, of course.
• 2:04:43
  You know, But yeah, very cool to see the kind of build you're
• 2:04:48
  going to use. And.
• 2:04:50
  Then Mouse showed that Terminator earlier today and
• 2:04:54
  looked fantastic. If I can't before he beats me on
• 2:05:00
  this one. Oh, we're going to have a battle
• 2:05:07
  across. You got to bring it now, Mel,
• 2:05:10
  We're going to have a battle across across the hall.
• 2:05:13
  Look at that Predator. He's done a Predator.
• 2:05:16
  It's the Novian lean head he's used.
• 2:05:18
  Look at that ingenious. The tassels and the dreadlocks
• 2:05:23
  he's used the the little pipe, the little tube pieces that you
• 2:05:27
  get with the helmets he has mounted a gun on.
• 2:05:33
  What is that piece that the gun is on, Eugene?
• 2:05:36
  It's actually the the latest speccy in their crotch piece.
• 2:05:41
  So I awesome plugs into his plugs into his back shoulder and
• 2:05:44
  then there's. A he's butcher, dyspexion, just,
• 2:05:47
  you know, just to get a shoulder pad.
• 2:05:48
  There you go. And he's magnetized it.
• 2:05:50
  Oh my God. And oh, how do I painted that as
• 2:05:56
  well, the skin and all that that's.
• 2:06:00
  So cool. Oh, we're going out in the
• 2:06:02
  Bangor. Well, look, it can't get any
• 2:06:04
  better than that. So see you latest Thursday
• 2:06:07
  evening in Legions Con week. Eugene, thanks so many for your
• 2:06:12
  time this has been. Thanks for having me guys.
• 2:06:20
  Right, we have him back again. He was part of our interviews
• 2:06:25
  with our awesome patrons and he's back again for a chap
• 2:06:28
  because he is playing a pretty decent role in a little event
• 2:06:32
  this year in Allegiance Con. It's Chris James.
• 2:06:36
  How are you, Chris? Doing good, Sir.
• 2:06:38
  Thank you guys for having me on again.
• 2:06:40
  It's it's an absolute pleasure. No problem.
• 2:06:42
  Thanks for being one of our supporters and always giving us
• 2:06:48
  a positive awesome feedback. So that's it's always super to
• 2:06:52
  hear. And so how are you doing?
• 2:06:57
  You had a little informal kind of part swap thing last year.
• 2:07:02
  And this has kind of evolved, which is what a lot of this the
• 2:07:08
  whole legions counting has kind of come from a smaller thing
• 2:07:11
  into a bigger thing. And now you're a smaller little
• 2:07:14
  super cool idea that people kind of spontaneously joined in.
• 2:07:17
  Some people maybe were more prepared than others, like the
• 2:07:21
  others being me and but yeah, so you're you did a little part
• 2:07:27
  swap last year in the lobby kind of area or one of the lobby
• 2:07:30
  areas and now it's kind of getting officialized this year.
• 2:07:35
  Yeah, that's, it's, it's pretty awesome.
• 2:07:38
  It actually the whole idea came back two years ago at Legion
• 2:07:43
  Scott in 2022. And it was like kind of like the
• 2:07:46
  months leading up to it with Nathaniel Armstrong was looking
• 2:07:50
  for some specific parts. I happened to have those.
• 2:07:54
  And then we ended up just talking about maybe just working
• 2:07:56
  out the trade in the hotel lobby.
• 2:07:59
  And then that's, that's what we did.
• 2:08:01
  And it was nice. I mean, it was literally just us
• 2:08:04
  at that time. And then like it just, I don't
• 2:08:07
  know, it was fun. It was, it was a good time.
• 2:08:10
  And then it was last year literally like 2 weeks before
• 2:08:15
  the show, I had the idea and I just, I put together, put
• 2:08:19
  together everything, the rules and stuff like that, sent it
• 2:08:23
  over to Jeremy just to see maybe if he'd OK it.
• 2:08:26
  And he was cool with everything. We talked about a couple of like
• 2:08:30
  the rules and then he greenlit it.
• 2:08:32
  So I made the post and that's why a lot of people really
• 2:08:36
  didn't know about it because it was on such short notice.
• 2:08:40
  But one of the things the the biggest take away might that
• 2:08:44
  made my Legions Con weekend for me is that we wasn't even an
• 2:08:47
  hour into the event and Joe Viteri came over, checked over
• 2:08:52
  the tables and stuff and looked at me and told me that this was
• 2:08:54
  a genius idea and we're going to make it a staple going forward.
• 2:08:58
  And then shook my hand. That made my entire weekend
• 2:09:01
  because I felt like it went over more than what I could have ever
• 2:09:05
  expected. And then hearing from Jeremy
• 2:09:08
  multiple times throughout this year that we're going to make it
• 2:09:11
  official now it's officially like on the programming, I've
• 2:09:15
  worked with Len and some of the other guys that are going to be
• 2:09:19
  like kind of like the mainstays in it.
• 2:09:21
  And Lynn came up and did the the, the little logo and the
• 2:09:26
  name. That's a part of the event.
• 2:09:28
  So it's like it's becoming more real and I just can't wait to
• 2:09:32
  see what happens when we get there.
• 2:09:35
  Absolutely. Yeah.
• 2:09:36
  So we see here on the agenda, you see it there, Legions in the
• 2:09:40
  lobby right there at it says 9:00 PM on two.
• 2:09:46
  No, sorry, it's not legions in the lobby.
• 2:09:47
  It's 7:00 PM pop and swaps parts exchange.
• 2:09:51
  So bring your legions father, and get ready to exchange and
• 2:09:54
  swap parts. Learn more about popping and
• 2:09:57
  swapping led by Chris James and the team at Wolf King Customs.
• 2:10:02
  So held in the 1st floor lobby space.
• 2:10:04
  And for dumb Europeans like us, you think that's up the stairs,
• 2:10:08
  but it's actually no, it's on the ground floor, the one we
• 2:10:11
  call G, So not the first floor, the lobby.
• 2:10:15
  So yeah, right, right. So is it the same place as last
• 2:10:18
  year down that kind of corridor to kind of outside where the
• 2:10:22
  main doors are, are? Have you decided?
• 2:10:24
  It's going to be it's not going to be in the exact same spot
• 2:10:28
  only because of the amount of people.
• 2:10:29
  And from what Jeremy said, without giving away anything
• 2:10:32
  'cause he he, he didn't. But apparently that space is
• 2:10:35
  gonna be a little bit more crowded with stuff they're gonna
• 2:10:37
  have. So take that how you will.
• 2:10:41
  It's gonna be down the main hall where the the two entrances are
• 2:10:45
  into into you guys's table and stuff like that.
• 2:10:48
  So it's gonna. Be in that little hallway, yeah.
• 2:10:51
  Yep, that's where it's that's the where it's gonna take place.
• 2:10:55
  Awesome, awesome. And as you said, you have this
• 2:11:00
  awesome logo. This is the one that that
• 2:11:03
  landed, is that right? Yeah, from what I know, Lynn got
• 2:11:07
  with Jesse Arnold and through that, through that logo
• 2:11:10
  together. So who's this?
• 2:11:11
  Who's this handsome fella in the logo?
• 2:11:13
  I. Don't know, I have.
• 2:11:16
  I have no idea. I mean, it looks like you,
• 2:11:19
  Chris, but without the cap, but you know, I've never seen it.
• 2:11:22
  For that baseball cap, so. Yeah, now we know he has hair,
• 2:11:25
  which is which is kind of more than a lot of the guys at
• 2:11:28
  Legions can, you know. So love it, Chris, love it.
• 2:11:32
  And yeah, so this is really cool.
• 2:11:34
  Are you going to do any little stick?
• 2:11:35
  Is Dang going to do stickers and stuff with because I want the
• 2:11:38
  sticker or you know. I think this year it's just
• 2:11:43
  going to be the logo. There may or may not be a banner
• 2:11:48
  with that, but the plan is for next year to have stickers,
• 2:11:56
  potentially shirts, other other sort of things, maybe even pens
• 2:12:00
  maybe. Pin would be good.
• 2:12:04
  If we get to it later, there is a teaser in the logo actually of
• 2:12:09
  something that's going to be fully revealed at Legions Con
• 2:12:12
  because I've also been part of another group that I was given
• 2:12:17
  the reins of back in the summer. So you can kind of make it out
• 2:12:20
  on the shirt, but it'll be fully revealed and I'll have stickers
• 2:12:24
  of that. I'll have stickers of that.
• 2:12:28
  But I also took a play out of your guys's book that I really
• 2:12:31
  enjoyed because stickers you'll you'll find stickers, you'll
• 2:12:34
  find shirts and you'll find pins.
• 2:12:36
  I like different and that was one of the big takeaways that I
• 2:12:39
  like from your guys's table from last year is that if I remember
• 2:12:43
  right, you guys had beer coasters on your tip.
• 2:12:45
  Oh yeah, you're looking at the man in the middle there.
• 2:12:47
  Mal. He.
• 2:12:47
  He. So I'm going to have, I'll have
• 2:12:50
  Custer, I'll have coasters of the full design that's on the
• 2:12:53
  shirt, but I don't have. So I'm going to be giving them
• 2:12:57
  out. I subconsciously stole that off
• 2:13:00
  idea of Legions lounge so I've got to give them credits.
• 2:13:07
  All good, all good, all good ideas are are worth copying, you
• 2:13:11
  know, so we OK this text a bit small on the screen here, but we
• 2:13:16
  should maybe just go through it a little bit Chris, so the
• 2:13:21
  people know kind of you know, there is some there is some
• 2:13:25
  rules. So we should.
• 2:13:28
  So the first thing to say is that it's it's a pop and swap
• 2:13:33
  events. So we're, you know, people.
• 2:13:35
  The main idea here is to swap different legions parts.
• 2:13:40
  So I guess the concept is, you know, we all have tubs of
• 2:13:44
  accessories that we don't use at our figures or if if we're
• 2:13:47
  customizers, for example, we may be bought figures for custom.
• 2:13:51
  You you needed like the lower legs or the upper legs and you
• 2:13:55
  need to the accessories and then you don't, you don't, you know,
• 2:13:58
  the rest of it goes into your father and then you either use
• 2:14:02
  it on the future custom or it just sits there for ages and you
• 2:14:05
  don't know what to do with it. And then you come and say, oh, I
• 2:14:09
  need these upper legs that I don't have.
• 2:14:11
  And then you put a post up in the cabal maybe and you say,
• 2:14:14
  does anyone have these upper legs?
• 2:14:15
  I have different parts to trade. So this is going to be that in
• 2:14:19
  person? Pretty much, yeah.
• 2:14:21
  Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
• 2:14:24
  One of the big takeaways, like you mentioned in the beginning
• 2:14:26
  is that so Bill Dorklayer is going to have his own table set
• 2:14:31
  up and he'll have kind of like demoing and allowing people to
• 2:14:37
  come up and get more hands on experience about doing the pop
• 2:14:40
  and swap. And then for anybody else that's
• 2:14:44
  been more a part of the line, they'll get kind of directed to
• 2:14:47
  everybody else's tables or spots that they have with their bins
• 2:14:52
  and things like that. Right.
• 2:14:58
  And the kind of main thing here is that we're we're looking for
• 2:15:02
  factory parts, is that right? Can you can you explain that
• 2:15:04
  kind of thinking behind it? Yeah, So in in the spirit of the
• 2:15:11
  event, because it is legions con, it's a con for legions and
• 2:15:16
  stuff like that. So it's obviously anything
• 2:15:19
  that's made by the Four Horsemen Studios, Figure Obscura, Mythic
• 2:15:22
  legions, Cosmic Legions, all of those parts are OK after talking
• 2:15:27
  with some of the guys. Cause what?
• 2:15:31
  Cause since this is a combined event for doing the pop and swap
• 2:15:35
  that Len and Dorklayer has been doing, so it's going to be
• 2:15:40
  pieces as long as they're fodder.
• 2:15:43
  They can be pieces from other lines, but they have to be
• 2:15:47
  factory pieces. This, this absolutely cannot be
• 2:15:50
  3D printed parts just because of all the other individuals that
• 2:15:56
  are going to be selling 3D printed parts inside during show
• 2:16:00
  hours. So for example, like I had
• 2:16:02
  mentioned, like toys biz Lord of the Rings figures, as long as
• 2:16:06
  the figures are broken down, then that's fine.
• 2:16:09
  If it's from other lines like Jeremy has used a number of
• 2:16:12
  times Hasbro Black Series Kylo Ren pieces, as long as those are
• 2:16:16
  individual pieces, then that's fine.
• 2:16:19
  No full figures of any line is allowed to be traded or anything
• 2:16:25
  like that. OK, cool.
• 2:16:27
  So it's a, it's a true kind of fodder swap.
• 2:16:30
  So yeah. And then the pop and swap part
• 2:16:34
  of it is along the lines of what Wolfgang did before.
• 2:16:37
  Is that is that right? Yeah.
• 2:16:42
  This year it's going to, yeah, it's going to be really similar
• 2:16:45
  to like what they have done, except from what I understand
• 2:16:47
  this year it's not going to be Lynn's bins, it's actually going
• 2:16:52
  to be Thor Claire's. So what he's been doing is since
• 2:16:59
  4 Horsemen has been having the in stock sales with like Legion
• 2:17:02
  builders and things like that. He's been picking up some here
• 2:17:06
  and there and breaking them down and putting them into bins.
• 2:17:10
  Excuse me? So he'll have his bin set up and
• 2:17:13
  allow people to come up, pick pieces.
• 2:17:16
  If they want to leave one, then they can.
• 2:17:18
  Otherwise they can pick whatever pieces they have to.
• 2:17:22
  I'm not sure if they're going to be able to build a figure out of
• 2:17:26
  it, but they'll be able to find that out through through him in
• 2:17:32
  person there. Cool.
• 2:17:35
  So I'm just kind of link it. This links well into your event
• 2:17:39
  then as well because you can, you know, people can kind of
• 2:17:42
  pick up parts and you know, see how to integrate it into and
• 2:17:47
  what about, you know, buying parts?
• 2:17:51
  Is that allowed or is this purely a trade thing?
• 2:17:55
  So that's kind of that's kind of the Gray area, right.
• 2:17:59
  OK. So that's the last resort thing.
• 2:18:02
  Yes, kind of like if if you read through or if anybody was to
• 2:18:06
  read through, like the roles that was never actually
• 2:18:09
  explicitly mentioned, but it's it was not mentioned.
• 2:18:13
  So then that way we don't have people coming up with bins or
• 2:18:15
  totes or whatever of parts and truly just selling because that
• 2:18:19
  takes away from the spirit. If if somebody was to come up
• 2:18:23
  and they didn't have anything like maybe, but it's more the
• 2:18:29
  the whole spirit behind it is barter, trading piece for piece.
• 2:18:34
  Yeah, that's that's really where it's supposed to be.
• 2:18:37
  OK. So it's, yeah, it's, it's really
• 2:18:39
  a trade event. I mean, maybe as you say, if
• 2:18:43
  there's someone that just happens to stumble along and
• 2:18:45
  they're like, oh, I really need the sword and you don't have
• 2:18:49
  anything, then we can maybe, but it's not, it's not designed for,
• 2:18:54
  as you say, somebody to come along and say, right, 500 bucks
• 2:18:57
  for this bucket of stuff. You know, that's, that's not the
• 2:19:02
  that's not the vibe we're going for here.
• 2:19:04
  Cool. So and so you're going to be
• 2:19:08
  busy with that and we're still going to make them My wife is
• 2:19:13
  going to kill me show I guess at 9:00 that same night.
• 2:19:17
  Got to do the, got to do the tear down pretty quickly, then
• 2:19:21
  afterwards. Here's here's the thing right,
• 2:19:24
  because I did message Jeremy about that because we were
• 2:19:26
  talking in the beginning, we were talking going back and
• 2:19:28
  forth on times. I'm totally cool with it being
• 2:19:32
  later like it was last year, but we decided that we would do it
• 2:19:36
  earlier because of the like the after hours and before dinner
• 2:19:41
  and stuff like that. So because there wasn't really
• 2:19:43
  anything going on. So I'm completely cool with
• 2:19:45
  that. The end time is 8:30 because I
• 2:19:48
  want to attend the My Wife is going to Kill Me Guys podcast.
• 2:19:51
  OK, fair enough. But I asked a great event.
• 2:19:54
  Exactly. I had asked him, you know, is it
• 2:19:58
  OK after the show is over, if those that are interested wanted
• 2:20:03
  to restart it, is that OK? Could I, could I do that?
• 2:20:06
  And he said, yeah, absolutely. So it can actually stay, It can
• 2:20:11
  go as long as it goes. It doesn't technically have to
• 2:20:15
  end at 8:30. If there is somebody that's
• 2:20:18
  there that's not going to be attending the my wife is going
• 2:20:21
  to kill me show and they want to go ahead and continue it.
• 2:20:24
  As long as they can continue it within the same rules that are
• 2:20:28
  applied, then it can go. It can go until like it did last
• 2:20:31
  year, after 1:00 AM. So yeah, I'm totally cool.
• 2:20:35
  I'm here for it. So let's do it.
• 2:20:37
  Awesome, awesome. OK, so that's yeah, so it's
• 2:20:40
  going to be it's going to be a kind of community thing.
• 2:20:44
  I think like all these things that I've seen at legions gone,
• 2:20:48
  it'll it will just kind of continue and and work.
• 2:20:53
  The thing is to get it going and then, you know, it's like a sing
• 2:20:56
  song at a party, you know, once you get it going, never stops.
• 2:21:01
  Yeah, exactly. Cool.
• 2:21:04
  So tell me what what are your other plans for legions gone and
• 2:21:09
  what's, what's your kind of bucket list of stuff that you
• 2:21:12
  want to get apart from the people?
• 2:21:15
  I mean, we we all know that the main thing when you do there is
• 2:21:18
  go and hang out with the people. But who are you looking for on
• 2:21:22
  on Saturday? Are you going to intern firstly?
• 2:21:26
  As far as I know right now, no I didn't.
• 2:21:28
  I didn't get selected and I wasn't invited, but we are going
• 2:21:32
  to be up there. We're checking in on Wednesday
• 2:21:35
  just like what we did last year. So it's like if, in the event,
• 2:21:39
  if I don't, I'm fine with that. I've been there twice.
• 2:21:41
  I'm, I'm OK. We have plans what we're going
• 2:21:45
  to do if, if I don't go, because she knows that if I, if I do for
• 2:21:49
  some reason get an invite, I really want to go to intern
• 2:21:52
  again. But if I don't, then we're going
• 2:21:54
  to take a drive up to like Sleepy Hollow and check that
• 2:21:58
  place out, have some lunch there, sightsee, make our way
• 2:22:02
  back to the hotel. So.
• 2:22:04
  So that'll be, that'll be fun. One way or another, you're going
• 2:22:07
  to have a good Thursday. Oh yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 2:22:11
  And then Friday we got G Con, So obviously we're going to be
• 2:22:16
  we're going to be lined up for that.
• 2:22:18
  And and then Friday nights we got the bar.
• 2:22:27
  Oh, set up and then I'm going. To try and be in.
• 2:22:29
  Bed set up. More like I was last year, yeah.
• 2:22:33
  But we'll, we'll see what happens.
• 2:22:35
  Last year Saturday morning, I didn't go into bed until 6:30 of
• 2:22:40
  day one. Yeah.
• 2:22:41
  Oh, like Friday into Saturday. Yes.
• 2:22:45
  Oh my God, and did you get up at like 9 or whatever when the
• 2:22:49
  start time was? I I got up to take a shower
• 2:22:52
  about an hour after the show started.
• 2:22:55
  OK. Like she came back up to the
• 2:22:57
  room because she she went down there just basically as it was
• 2:23:00
  opening and she asked. Me to get the show figures or
• 2:23:04
  whatever. To no, no, no, I didn't even
• 2:23:06
  worry about those. I wasn't I wasn't worried about
• 2:23:09
  those at all. It was it was customs and
• 2:23:11
  custom. So I gave her the ones that I
• 2:23:14
  wanted. She made a beeline down.
• 2:23:15
  She came back up with the stuff and she's like, did you know
• 2:23:18
  that there was a new figure? I like what new.
• 2:23:20
  Figure. I had no idea.
• 2:23:24
  So like, I got up and I was like, all right, well, I guess
• 2:23:26
  I'm gonna go down there and figure this out.
• 2:23:28
  So I took a shower, got dressed, came down immediately ran into
• 2:23:31
  door Claire and I was like, is that the new figure?
• 2:23:34
  And he's like, yeah, here, check it out.
• 2:23:35
  He already had it out. So I got to like mess with.
• 2:23:38
  The little girl, yeah. Yeah, exactly.
• 2:23:41
  But yeah, it was, it was basically, it was basically
• 2:23:45
  that. And then Saturday, she told me
• 2:23:49
  after or during the pop and swap event or the fodder event, she's
• 2:23:54
  like, I don't mind you staying out, just make sure you're not
• 2:23:56
  back by 6:30. I was like, OK, yeah, I can do
• 2:23:59
  that. So Saturday night going into
• 2:24:02
  Sunday morning, I came back to the room at six you.
• 2:24:07
  Took that literally, like not 630.
• 2:24:09
  You were like, you had an alarm set on your phone for six then,
• 2:24:12
  yeah. Yeah, exactly.
• 2:24:15
  I put Eric Miller to bed. I put Walter to bed.
• 2:24:18
  Who's this bad influence on you that's keeping you up that late?
• 2:24:21
  Or is it? Is it the Chris James influence?
• 2:24:24
  It's kind. Well, last year it was, it was
• 2:24:26
  more me actually, because like I had just like everybody does.
• 2:24:30
  I was having such a good time hanging out with everybody and
• 2:24:35
  nobody, nobody asked me to do it right.
• 2:24:37
  No, I mean, you're just, I mean, I guess you do yourself, you
• 2:24:41
  know, it's like sometimes like if I'm at a like an event like
• 2:24:46
  this or a wedding, my Irish jeans just kick in and it just,
• 2:24:49
  it just works, you know, mostly saying goodbye.
• 2:24:52
  Well, that too. But, you know, up until then I'm
• 2:24:54
  absolutely amazing, you know, but if I went to something that
• 2:24:58
  I was like bored me to tears, I'd be like, I, I could just
• 2:25:01
  fall asleep in the corner, you know, at 10:00, you know, no
• 2:25:03
  problem. But if you know, so I do think
• 2:25:07
  there is there is something you know in you if if something is a
• 2:25:11
  good time we have we have an adrenaline way of kind of
• 2:25:15
  keeping us going Friday. Night I Friday night I was up
• 2:25:20
  until like 3:00 AM and the time. And just flew, flew by.
• 2:25:25
  It was great now because I could get asleep before you started
• 2:25:29
  snoring because you weren't there.
• 2:25:31
  Snoring and the fidgeting next. Well, that I don't care about.
• 2:25:36
  It's just a nice noise. It's honestly it's fine.
• 2:25:39
  I'd sleep through a storm. I used to as a late teen, early
• 2:25:43
  20s. I used to have like a ghetto
• 2:25:46
  blaster in my room. My mother used to always have to
• 2:25:48
  come in and put it off when she went to bed and it was always
• 2:25:51
  screeching, like loud heavy metal or rock music or whatever.
• 2:25:55
  I would be sleeping 10 minutes to that.
• 2:25:57
  You know, if one of my kids did it now, I'd be disgusted, but I
• 2:26:01
  used to do it. Maybe that's what we should do,
• 2:26:04
  is to drown out all last snore and he's put somebody on in the
• 2:26:07
  background. Yeah.
• 2:26:08
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 2:26:09
  What's your favorite rock album? OK, let's stick it on.
• 2:26:12
  And then you'll have the the Porter calling to the door.
• 2:26:15
  Sorry, Sir. And are are you from Florida,
• 2:26:21
  Chris or are you originally, you're originally from Florida.
• 2:26:25
  So they breed them hard down there.
• 2:26:27
  You know, you're, you're, you're well able to keep the pace.
• 2:26:32
  Yeah, yeah. And what what part?
• 2:26:37
  I'm in Brevard County. So if you look at the map of
• 2:26:40
  Florida, there's like a point that comes off on the East
• 2:26:43
  Coast. That's where Cape Canaveral's
• 2:26:44
  at. So I live kind of across the
• 2:26:46
  river from like NASA, SpaceX. Oh, cool, wow, cool.
• 2:26:50
  So you get to see the Rockets. When they Yeah.
• 2:26:53
  Yeah, exactly. And.
• 2:26:55
  Where is that in relation to Jacksonville then that's.
• 2:26:59
  It's about about an hour and a half South.
• 2:27:02
  OK, because I know I know Jacksonville, there's some
• 2:27:07
  musicians I know that come from there, like famous ones.
• 2:27:09
  Obviously, I don't know them. I know of them.
• 2:27:13
  I've heard, I've heard of Jackson because I mean,
• 2:27:15
  obviously we all know Florida, Orlando of Miami, you know,
• 2:27:18
  Disney World, all that kind of stuff.
• 2:27:19
  But there's other cool things there.
• 2:27:22
  But and you survived the storms then you guys guess over the
• 2:27:24
  east side it wasn't as bad. No.
• 2:27:28
  Well, it was bad in some areas because like down South of us,
• 2:27:33
  Palm Beach Gardens, I think that's like West Palm Beach
• 2:27:36
  County. They got hammered.
• 2:27:39
  Oh, really? They got hammered because they
• 2:27:40
  had so many tornadoes that there were so many tornadoes that this
• 2:27:44
  storm produced that it was it was insane.
• 2:27:47
  But luckily. Like our area, I read, I read
• 2:27:50
  that there would be little pockets of areas, so you could
• 2:27:53
  be living like a mile over this way in your grand and then that
• 2:27:56
  other place a mile over just got a tornado and got like
• 2:27:59
  absolutely. We had one tornado warning.
• 2:28:02
  The entire show or the entire? The entire storm, Yeah.
• 2:28:07
  Was the show in a way. Yeah, kind of.
• 2:28:09
  I mean, we didn't lose power the entire time.
• 2:28:11
  So that was. Awesome.
• 2:28:13
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it's just, yeah.
• 2:28:17
  It's incredible that, you know, more people.
• 2:28:20
  Obviously some people died and that was terrible, but like it
• 2:28:23
  could have been, I was, it's one of these it's, it was like a bit
• 2:28:26
  of a slow car crash because everyone knew it was going to
• 2:28:29
  happen and everyone was kind of had to do whatever.
• 2:28:33
  You know, if you were told to evacuate or if you couldn't
• 2:28:36
  evacuate and you had to stay and then everyone was just sitting
• 2:28:38
  there waiting for it to happen. It was like this kind of awful
• 2:28:42
  maybe I suppose 24 hours before it actually passed through and
• 2:28:46
  then passed through. Then people just had to kind of
• 2:28:49
  figure out what their situation was.
• 2:28:53
  And I'm sure lots of people are still dealing with it obviously.
• 2:28:55
  But I'm glad that at least the few people I know down there,
• 2:29:00
  including yourself, Chris doesn't seem to have been too
• 2:29:02
  bad for you. So, and hopefully you don't get.
• 2:29:06
  The most I heard that of everybody in the area that that
• 2:29:08
  are kind of like a part of like our group and stuff.
• 2:29:12
  It was just like power. Nothing, nothing major
• 2:29:15
  thankfully like no severe damage or nothing like that.
• 2:29:18
  It's just basically like small debris and stuff like that, so.
• 2:29:22
  Cool. And so then is there is there
• 2:29:26
  anything else up to legions kind of any local shows renting
• 2:29:29
  that's going to going to happen or are you, are you now in the
• 2:29:34
  Legions con zone? I'm in the Legions con zone.
• 2:29:37
  I've been in the Legions con zone for about I think basically
• 2:29:40
  when I came back from ish comp, that was pretty much it.
• 2:29:44
  Like, yeah, you know, once that show is done, now it's just
• 2:29:47
  focused on this and that's that's totally it.
• 2:29:52
  Well, right. And then what was So what are
• 2:29:56
  you looking to pick up then? Allegiance gone, you're looking
• 2:29:59
  for customs. What are you?
• 2:30:01
  Because you you do cost your customize yourself.
• 2:30:03
  I mean, you don't post that much stuff, but I know that you are a
• 2:30:05
  customizer and so you obviously do a lot of customizing for
• 2:30:11
  yourself. And so do you pick up customs
• 2:30:15
  from other people or I mean, I know what you said you picked up
• 2:30:17
  custom heads, but what's the plan of attack for Allegiance
• 2:30:21
  gun? I don't know if I'm going to do
• 2:30:23
  it the same way I did last year because I may go more of just
• 2:30:26
  heads, maybe because last year I did heads, but I also picked up.
• 2:30:30
  I've loads of heads so just go heads.
• 2:30:33
  Yeah, it's like these boxes right here, and that's all 3D
• 2:30:37
  printed parts. And that's not even, that's not
• 2:30:38
  even a fraction of everything that I have.
• 2:30:40
  Wow. Yeah.
• 2:30:43
  But last year I picked up some full custom figures.
• 2:30:47
  I may do it again. It just, it just depends because
• 2:30:50
  it's like I, it has to speak to me.
• 2:30:52
  If it's not speaking to me, then like, you know, it's cool.
• 2:30:55
  I appreciate it for what it is and the work that was put into
• 2:30:59
  it. But it's I'm, I don't know.
• 2:31:01
  I don't know exactly. It's hard to, I don't know.
• 2:31:06
  I want to see if there's any surprises on the table.
• 2:31:10
  I'm looking forward to the Army experience.
• 2:31:12
  I know I said it to you guys, Mal and Richie wasn't here, but
• 2:31:18
  but I did wonder if because we now have the parts in the
• 2:31:22
  library, whether we would get a barbarian like, you know, the
• 2:31:27
  valid night, Valiant night. But now they have all the
• 2:31:31
  unarmored human parts. So you could do like a
• 2:31:34
  barbarian, like really a barbarian with just the, you
• 2:31:37
  know, the belt and straps or whatever with all those human
• 2:31:41
  parts to be a kind of a kind of a roaming barbarian, a bit like
• 2:31:45
  the Valiant night is a kind of a night that goes across the
• 2:31:47
  Kingdom. So maybe not this year, but I
• 2:31:51
  think that would be a great way to to introduce those parts into
• 2:31:55
  the into the kind of community. So I have a sneaking.
• 2:32:00
  Suspicion that we're going to find some surprises on the
• 2:32:03
  table. Like I know nothing, but I just,
• 2:32:05
  I have a sneaking suspicion that there's going to be something.
• 2:32:08
  Totally. And as I said, we're all in the
• 2:32:11
  same boat as regards to what we know.
• 2:32:13
  We only know the public available information, which
• 2:32:15
  isn't that much. Now we know the Armory, of
• 2:32:17
  course, and we've been through all that and that's awesome.
• 2:32:20
  But we we have no clue what the wave is.
• 2:32:23
  I can safely say we could maybe, you know, suspect that big item
• 2:32:28
  that that, you know, shall not be named is possibly going to be
• 2:32:33
  there. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:32:34
  Might have some wings and and we don't know what the wave is
• 2:32:39
  going to be like. This time last year we were
• 2:32:41
  talking about, you know, red sun still rising Suns.
• 2:32:45
  We were talking about Suns of the Red Star versus House of the
• 2:32:48
  noble bear. And we were flogging rich to
• 2:32:50
  death about, you know, how there was going to be more noble bear
• 2:32:54
  than Red Star and all this kind of stuff.
• 2:32:57
  And he was getting very stressed out.
• 2:32:59
  This year. We have no clue.
• 2:33:00
  Could be two new factions, for example, which would be amazing.
• 2:33:04
  Could be a bit from everywhere, could be, you know, which would
• 2:33:07
  be in another smart thing for them to do.
• 2:33:09
  So I have no clue. And as I said, we might, you
• 2:33:14
  know, we might closer to the time have an idea because the
• 2:33:18
  hands get dropped. But as what have we just a bit a
• 2:33:22
  bit under three weeks out now as we record this, there's been
• 2:33:25
  nothing. It's like a murder across the
• 2:33:28
  studio. I mean you've got good Ndas or
• 2:33:32
  something over there guys, because nothing is coming out.
• 2:33:34
  It's it's you know, there are 0 leaks.
• 2:33:38
  There are companies and political parties around the
• 2:33:41
  world that like leak like a sieve.
• 2:33:44
  There is nothing coming out of the Four Horsemen.
• 2:33:46
  So I can say you're a tight unit guys definitely appreciate it.
• 2:33:52
  Which makes it more fun. I think, you know, I think it
• 2:33:55
  definitely makes it more fun because.
• 2:33:57
  And even speaking to people that you know have been in the know
• 2:34:01
  or are in the know or were previously in the know, they
• 2:34:04
  still say the most fun is when they're at a show like AG Con
• 2:34:08
  event or something like that and they get to know in the crowd
• 2:34:14
  with all the people. Or even online in the live
• 2:34:16
  stream where you just see the chat blow up and you're the same
• 2:34:20
  and you're trying to figure out whether you like it or not.
• 2:34:22
  I mean, we mostly like it, you know, we're simple, but you
• 2:34:27
  still have to take a second look.
• 2:34:29
  It's a bit like when the figure obscura drops, we all just go by
• 2:34:33
  and then we go back and go, oh, it has this.
• 2:34:36
  Is there any parts? Oh, there's a new accessory, you
• 2:34:39
  know, So yeah, it's, it's, it's brilliant that it's kind of like
• 2:34:44
  that this year as as you know, and I loved last year because we
• 2:34:47
  kind of had an idea, but so we could do more guessing, not even
• 2:34:52
  going to guess this year, you know, as until we get more info,
• 2:34:55
  there's no point because we'll just look like idiots, a bigger
• 2:34:59
  idiots. Sorry.
• 2:34:59
  Literally could be anything. Yeah, yeah, it's.
• 2:35:06
  One of those things where we're just going to have to wait and
• 2:35:08
  see how it plays out and yeah, totally, yeah.
• 2:35:12
  Exactly. And then as regards so Armory,
• 2:35:15
  you're, you're obviously going to pick up what you can from
• 2:35:17
  there. I'm gonna try to, yeah.
• 2:35:19
  What's your what's your favorite color of the what's your color?
• 2:35:23
  That's what I last. What's your favorite color
• 2:35:26
  there, buddy? Yeah, that's what I asked my the
• 2:35:29
  kids get asked in, you know, first class in school or
• 2:35:31
  whatever. No.
• 2:35:32
  And what's your favorite of the the kind of color weights for
• 2:35:35
  the Armory? I like have.
• 2:35:39
  Did you guys see door Claire's photos?
• 2:35:41
  I did, yes. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:35:42
  We were actually just chatting about them among the three of us
• 2:35:46
  as well before we started. What do you think?
• 2:35:50
  Yeah, that gives you? I liked the red better because
• 2:35:52
  the red looked a bit more muted in the photo.
• 2:35:54
  He's took in the kind of, I suppose, just daylight or
• 2:35:58
  whatever kind of con lighting as opposed to studio lighting.
• 2:36:02
  So it was a little bit less reflective and cool.
• 2:36:07
  The build that took a photo of of the red 1 is the build I
• 2:36:11
  want, except maybe a slightly different helmet.
• 2:36:14
  So who? I'm like, yeah, yeah, definitely
• 2:36:16
  getting that then. Yeah, right.
• 2:36:20
  For for me, like I like, I like the red.
• 2:36:23
  I'm really more interested about the green now as well.
• 2:36:28
  But I think with like what Jeremy has been saying and like
• 2:36:32
  what a lot of people have been saying is that even though the
• 2:36:35
  prebuilt's are going to be coming, there's no guarantee
• 2:36:38
  that you may even be able to get those.
• 2:36:40
  So I'm not going to go with my favorite colors.
• 2:36:42
  This is something that I've been thinking about.
• 2:36:44
  I'm going for the pieces that I want to incorporate into
• 2:36:46
  customs. So yeah, 'cause like I have the
• 2:36:52
  the leather torso that that one that comes with like Bardric, I
• 2:36:56
  have that spray painted black right now.
• 2:37:00
  And that's been, it's been for a custom that I wanted.
• 2:37:02
  So it's like now I can just scrap that and I'm going to go
• 2:37:05
  for the black. So I'm going to go, I'm going to
• 2:37:08
  go for that. But I also like the brown
• 2:37:10
  leather too. So those may be my two that I go
• 2:37:14
  with. And if I'm able to do it on
• 2:37:17
  Sunday or if my girlfriend is willing to wait in the line and
• 2:37:22
  get a ticket for me to do 2, then I may have her do the two
• 2:37:25
  color ones. So then that way I can get the
• 2:37:29
  ones that I want for now. Yeah, yeah, there's something
• 2:37:32
  about that green leather colour that it's just really fun.
• 2:37:37
  I'm thinking go with the red build with the red leather and
• 2:37:41
  the green build with the green leather and do it that way
• 2:37:44
  myself. So yeah.
• 2:37:47
  Yeah, I I, I think because the cloth parts aren't in the ones
• 2:37:52
  that they're going to release post con next year, the cloth
• 2:37:56
  parts to me now become more interesting.
• 2:37:58
  I I was interested in them anyway, but I definitely think
• 2:38:02
  I'm going to try and get cloth parts with the different things.
• 2:38:05
  So as we were talking about this is the photos that Bill put up
• 2:38:11
  on door clear. So you see the red there?
• 2:38:13
  It looks it looks more towards the Vargas red in this lighting
• 2:38:20
  than what it did in the in the studio photos.
• 2:38:24
  So rubbish. I didn't.
• 2:38:26
  Mean the red leather. I meant the red cloth parts.
• 2:38:28
  It's the green leather one. I'm thinking of getting along
• 2:38:31
  with this. Yeah, so that's that one.
• 2:38:35
  There's the green, the green looks like it looks and it's
• 2:38:39
  it's awesome. I definitely have to.
• 2:38:41
  I'm very if I'm going to get one all metallic builds.
• 2:38:44
  It's the green one, I think. Yeah, I love it.
• 2:38:49
  Or Jade or whatever. And then this is purple.
• 2:38:51
  Is this the purple one? Yeah.
• 2:38:55
  I believe that's the purple. So this looks more like a tinted
• 2:38:59
  silver purple as opposed to fully purple purple.
• 2:39:05
  You know, like the Purple Gang gang might be thinking, you
• 2:39:08
  know, we wanted a bit more purple than that.
• 2:39:14
  Yeah, so and anything, any figures from the Horsemen table
• 2:39:19
  you'd be chasing down or are you you pretty up to date like the
• 2:39:22
  rest of us? Yeah, I'm pretty, I'm pretty up
• 2:39:25
  to date. I think really the only ones
• 2:39:27
  that I'd really be going for from the table unless there's
• 2:39:30
  surprises like what we talked about is the the show exclusive
• 2:39:33
  figures. Got you.
• 2:39:35
  They're a musket. Yeah, for sure.
• 2:39:37
  Yeah, otherwise it'll just be unpainted 3.
• 2:39:40
  D parts, Painted parts? What about some more skeleton
• 2:39:45
  skeletal ninja builders? Or it does.
• 2:39:47
  Yeah, you you'll definitely what what I, yeah, if I was to, you
• 2:39:52
  know, say, OK, now as we have a table, a vendor table so we can
• 2:39:57
  go to the horsemen on the Saturday evening after the show,
• 2:40:01
  that's our time to go and get stuff.
• 2:40:03
  If they did have a bunch of the figures that we can only get
• 2:40:06
  direct from the horsemen. So like either figure obscuras
• 2:40:10
  or you know, the legion builders or the you know the skeleton
• 2:40:12
  legion builder, etcetera. Those would be the ones I'd go
• 2:40:16
  more towards than the ones say my local retailer here in Europe
• 2:40:19
  has that I could always scoop up at, you know, 45 euro, $50, you
• 2:40:25
  know, whatever might be cosmic red jet or whatever.
• 2:40:28
  So they're the ones I definitely go to, right?
• 2:40:31
  I have space in my suitcase for five or six figures to bring
• 2:40:34
  home on top of the show exclusives, which as you say
• 2:40:39
  must get. I'd be looking for the ones that
• 2:40:41
  can get direct and for example, I'll def if they have
• 2:40:45
  Frankenstein there, I'll definitely pick one up
• 2:40:47
  completely RIP it out-of-the-box, get the coat and
• 2:40:53
  pull apart all the other bits and then go to the pop and swap
• 2:40:56
  a bent with the bits I don't need on top of my butter.
• 2:41:00
  You know, So that's, that's the other thing.
• 2:41:01
  If you are looking for figures for parts and you, you say,
• 2:41:04
  well, I can definitely get a skeleton, whatever.
• 2:41:06
  If you don't need all the other bits, you know, just take, put
• 2:41:10
  them in your tray. So, so I can see people doing
• 2:41:13
  that where they get figures at the show or even the show
• 2:41:17
  exclusive figures. Imagine that, Atlas said.
• 2:41:19
  I can imagine that showing up at the pop and swap event, a few
• 2:41:22
  people going there like I have this last list said that I don't
• 2:41:25
  want, but I know a lot of people want it and I like all these
• 2:41:28
  other dwarf parts over here or something, you know that that
• 2:41:32
  are hard to get, you know, dwarf upper legs, for example, or just
• 2:41:36
  dwarf legs in general. They are, you know, they're
• 2:41:40
  valuable and forearms I've. Actually been stocking up.
• 2:41:44
  Oh, there you go little honey trap there for for the toy forge
• 2:41:51
  and the Kings under the mountain.
• 2:41:54
  I love it. I love it.
• 2:41:55
  And then one more thing to get us out of here tonight.
• 2:42:00
  Then what? What figures are you?
• 2:42:03
  I mean, you're a skeleton guys, this is a pretty easy question.
• 2:42:05
  What figures are you looking forward to mostly coming in the
• 2:42:08
  next year or two? You know the ones we have on
• 2:42:10
  pre-order. What's the top top few figures
• 2:42:13
  there? What you got to shout out?
• 2:42:17
  Necronominus, of course. Maxillus just to have that other
• 2:42:22
  skeleton body. Yeah, with the with the
• 2:42:25
  different torso, Yeah, that's cool.
• 2:42:29
  Tarpiculi, just because of all the different things that you
• 2:42:32
  can do with that thing. And I think outside of those,
• 2:42:42
  the kipacha, I really, I really did.
• 2:42:47
  He's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:42:50
  That ashes about Bender wave is going it's going to blow up
• 2:42:52
  again once it gets in hand. I think, you know, I think it
• 2:42:56
  came at a very busy time this year with the with the head, the
• 2:43:00
  surprise boxes and that all this stuff.
• 2:43:03
  And I think people had different expectations of that wave than
• 2:43:06
  what turned out. But in hindsight, it's a really
• 2:43:08
  great wave and we're going to love it as we get it in hand.
• 2:43:12
  So yeah, Kai Patch is a great shot.
• 2:43:15
  Yeah. And what about skeleton horse
• 2:43:17
  cannabis? He's.
• 2:43:19
  It's like I like it. Like I have nothing against it.
• 2:43:22
  It's just the only thing that I have against really any of it is
• 2:43:25
  space. So like when it comes to like
• 2:43:27
  the bigger, the bigger stuff. So it's like that'll probably be
• 2:43:30
  the only horse that I have actually out on display when it,
• 2:43:34
  when it does come out. Because like right now I don't,
• 2:43:38
  I don't have any of them out. I don't have any of the trolls
• 2:43:41
  out. Myspace is very limited.
• 2:43:44
  So I've I've been thinking I need to do it.
• 2:43:46
  I need to like just like rotate stuff out is what I needed to
• 2:43:49
  just to kind of refresh it. That's that sort of thing that
• 2:43:53
  that takes. You know that curation thing
• 2:43:56
  that takes a bit of effort and that's all well and good until
• 2:44:00
  it's not working and then it can get a bit of frustrating.
• 2:44:02
  So I definitely feed you there. Yeah, the horses, they're the
• 2:44:07
  best action figure horses you can get.
• 2:44:09
  But as you say, tricky with space sometimes, you know, you
• 2:44:14
  have to, I could put, I could put 4 figures on this space in
• 2:44:17
  the shadow for one horse with the guy on top of it.
• 2:44:20
  So you have to kind of make that call sometimes.
• 2:44:22
  Same with the trolls, right, Chris?
• 2:44:24
  Well, that was a great chat and looking forward to the pop and
• 2:44:28
  swap event and looking forward to mostly seeing you and your
• 2:44:33
  better half, of course. And can't wait another as we
• 2:44:40
  talk now another I'd say 2 1/2 weeks, you call it fair and
• 2:44:44
  probably another week when this is released.
• 2:44:46
  So exciting times we're. Getting there, we're almost.
• 2:44:50
  There. Cheers, Chris.
• 2:44:53
  Cheers, John. Cheers now thank.
• 2:44:55
  You cheers,