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S6 E28 _ Sarah Hartsfield_ Black Widow _ Part 2_ The Alarm in Beach City _ TCWT Podcast · True Crime and Wine Time

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Speaker 2: Well, tonight we are doing part two of the Sarah
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Speaker 2: Hartsfield story, which has been Episode one was something. I'll
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Speaker 2: tell you what the story is. It's a fairly recent case.
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Speaker 2: It is like our trial was just last year and
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Speaker 2: We'll be getting into that, but before we do, let's
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Speaker 2: talk about what we're drinking today.
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Speaker 1: Well, I am dringing sparkling water. As I had mentioned,
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Speaker 1: I had round two of my cluster shots, and I'm
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Speaker 1: feeling like I got hit by a nineteen wheeler, not
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Speaker 1: an eighteen, a nineteen wheeler nineteen.
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Speaker 2: I understand that for sure. So tonight I'm drinking for
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Speaker 2: both of us. I am drinkings no Beila or Nobilo,
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Speaker 2: Sorry Nobila, no belo no belo, it's a Savigyon blanc
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Speaker 2: and maybe TERI will forget me when I hold up
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Speaker 2: the bottle and show that it's actually an empty bottle
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Speaker 2: because of that. So it's in my glass.
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Speaker 1: Ah, Yes, from New Zealand. It's one of my favorite
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Speaker 1: New Zealand ones.
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Speaker 2: It is, it says, it's like has fresh melon and citrus,
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Speaker 2: I'm drinking.
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Speaker 1: Ninety four percent humidity today in Weston, Texas.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what ours is, but amos earlier because
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Speaker 2: there's these wildfires up north, you know. And so she
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Speaker 2: sent me a screenshot of the news of the smoke
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Speaker 2: going over all of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Ohio. Now we're
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Speaker 2: like at the bottom, but it's going to be getting
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Speaker 2: heavier where I am. But up there, she said, I
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Speaker 2: mean it's been overcat Well, I guess it hasn't been over.
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Speaker 2: It's not clouds on the radio, it's no smoke, but
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Speaker 2: it doesn't really feel our smell very smoky here compared
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Speaker 2: to what Amos experiences right now in Michigan, but it
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Speaker 2: will be.
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Speaker 1: That's crazy because I'm getting text messages from friends and family, Hey,
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Speaker 1: are y'all okay with the floods because we have serious
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Speaker 1: flooding going on, just like we did last year when
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Speaker 1: we lost all of those children people at the camps.
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Speaker 1: We have severe flooding again, so everybody's on the edge.
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Speaker 1: But because I live right off the Colorado River about
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Speaker 1: a mile I guess about and a half. But we're
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Speaker 1: okay here, but the Qua Bay, it's yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, my heart and thoughts are with everybody suffering any
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Speaker 2: sort of weather nature thing going on, because it's been
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Speaker 2: a year. I bet Bruce Bruce because Bruce the most
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Speaker 2: it's in Wisconsin. And my my little Lama just got
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Speaker 2: Scott from Wisconsin Tuesday night and at the time he
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Speaker 2: didn't say anything about there being problems up there, but yeah, Wisconsin, Michigan,
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Speaker 2: oh my goodness, covered and all of that. So I
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Speaker 2: think you're staying inside. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I remember when we lived in California and Mount diabol
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Speaker 1: it was on fire and I could step out on
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Speaker 1: my front porch and it was just so smoke. But
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Speaker 1: through the smoke, I could see flames. But yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: crazy when it's like that. So everybody stay safe and
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Speaker 1: if you have asthma or breathing problems, trust me to
12:11
Speaker 1: stay inside. Ye make sure you're not, you know, letting
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Speaker 1: any air in.
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, yes, let's get into the story for tonight,
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Speaker 2: shall we.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, guys, if you are just now joining us
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Speaker 1: for this deep dive mini series on Sarah Hartsfield, I
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Speaker 1: am going to recommend you go back and listen to
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Speaker 1: part one right now because you're gonna need it when
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Speaker 1: all of this ties up. Okay, but we're going to
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Speaker 1: give you a quick recap where we are in this
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Speaker 1: truly bizarre and unhinged story of Sarah Hartsville. Okay, excuse me, I.
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Speaker 2: Bless you, I'll bless you. Oh my goodness, are you okay?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm good?
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Speaker 2: Okay, all right. I just wanted to make sure you
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Speaker 2: were you weren't going to have like three more sneezes
13:05
Speaker 2: because I know your allergy family, Like, okay, are we good?
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Speaker 1: I'm good, You're good?
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Speaker 2: All right. So last week we broke down the chilling
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Speaker 2: final days of husband number five, Joseph Hartsfield. We watched
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Speaker 2: the digital mask slip in Beach City, Texas that it
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Speaker 2: was exposing, blaring glucose alarms, UH, deleted search histories, and
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Speaker 2: a frantic attempt by Sarah to lock down in ICU
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Speaker 2: room while her husband was laying brain dead from a lethal,
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Speaker 2: extremely toxic dose of insulin.
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Speaker 1: We left off with the ultimate domino effect. Okay, Sarah
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Speaker 1: behind bars on a five million dollar bond. And guys,
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Speaker 1: you're not from Texas. You don't know Harris County. That's
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Speaker 1: a big deal.
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Speaker 2: That's a big deal anywhere. That's a bond, a really.
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Speaker 1: Really big deal. Here Anna the police department a thousand
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Speaker 1: miles away in Minnesota opening a cold file from twenty eighteen.
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Speaker 2: Now, But to truly understand how a person arrives at
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Speaker 2: a life sense for murder, you can't just look at
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Speaker 2: the final crime, right, you have to go back to
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Speaker 2: the blueprint, Sarah's past, her patterns of behavior.
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Speaker 1: That's right. So pour yourself a glass whatever you're drinking,
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Speaker 1: because today we are digging into the origins of Sarah Hartsfield. Okay,
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Speaker 1: we are tracking her from a tiny town of just
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Speaker 1: a few hundred people in Missouri straight through her early
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Speaker 1: years and straight into her first and second marriages. Long
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Speaker 1: before she ever met Joseph Okay, Sarah was already perfecting
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Speaker 1: a terrifying behavior. I mean, her pattern of behavior is awful,
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Speaker 1: and the fact that she made it this long is right.
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Speaker 1: And as her very first husband put it on National
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Speaker 1: Tele's vision, he's just surprised he made it out alive.
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Speaker 1: This is part two, the pattern begins.
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Speaker 2: So to really get into the psychology of how Sarah
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Speaker 2: Hartsfeld became who she is, we have to look past
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Speaker 2: the high school years and directly into the deeply broken
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Speaker 2: foundation of her early childhood. Because for Sarah, tragedy and
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Speaker 2: death weren't really anomalies. They were the background noise of
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Speaker 2: her entire life. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So, Sarah Elizabeth Smith's story begins in nineteen seventy four
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Speaker 1: in Otterville, Missouri, which is a tiny rule dot on
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Speaker 1: the map southeast of Kansas City, where everybody truly knows
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Speaker 1: your name. And to me, that is horrifying. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to just be honest. I love small towns, but that's
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Speaker 1: horrifying to me. But to the outside world, she was
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Speaker 1: just an intense but quiet girl, and behind closed door,
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Speaker 1: her life was defined by chaos, violence, and some profound trauma.
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Speaker 1: But those are no excuses.
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Speaker 2: No, no, don't worry. Nobody's going to feel like they
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Speaker 2: are by the end of the story. I'll tell you
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Speaker 2: that now. So let's start with her biological parents. So,
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Speaker 2: her biological family life fractured almost immediately, marred by dark
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Speaker 2: and very heavy allegations. According to later Jaoe house messages
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Speaker 2: and state records, Sarah's early years were plagued by a
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Speaker 2: toxic environment of alleged sexual and physical abuse. That reminds me,
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Speaker 2: I have a banner for tonight too.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the abuse didn't come from just one place, Okay,
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Speaker 1: it was a terrifying tac team. The state documented serious
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Speaker 1: sexual abuse allegations levied against both her biological father and
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Speaker 1: the man who would become her stepfather.
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Speaker 2: And her stepfather brought an entirely new level of darkness
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Speaker 2: into that house. He wasn't just a controlling figure in
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Speaker 2: the family or an alleged pos He was a convicted killer. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy three, just a year before Sarah was born,
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Speaker 2: her stepfather was at the center of a volatile local
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Speaker 2: love triangle that ended in a brutal, close range shotgun murder,
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Speaker 2: which is wow. When you learn the rest of the story,
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Speaker 2: you're going to be like, WHOA. Yeah, he was convicted
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Speaker 2: and sent to a Missouri state prison and served over
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Speaker 2: a decade behind bars before being parolled in nineteen eighty four.
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Speaker 1: And I would just say, a decade for murder, A
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Speaker 1: decade for murder, that's just.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know that whole passionate crime, which I get.
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Speaker 2: I don't I don't understand that whole Oh you are
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Speaker 2: so and they heated like especially like she like grow up,
18:23
Speaker 2: shut up now.
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Speaker 1: I mean even if I walked in and caught I mean,
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Speaker 1: unless I walked in and caught my husband doing something
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Speaker 1: to my child, that would be the only thing I
18:37
Speaker 1: could think. If I caught him with another woman, you
18:40
Speaker 1: know what, you two just keep going.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I find those people even more scary, ISOULD say,
18:47
Speaker 2: if you mean to pull out a gun and shoot
18:49
Speaker 2: in that kind of situation, that's it seems scarier to me.
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Speaker 2: It seems scarier to me because it's somebody that isn't
18:57
Speaker 2: in control of their emotion. Yeah, And I don't understand
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Speaker 2: why it's often treated as yeah, less than but we're
19:06
Speaker 2: not here for that whole big debate on Blama's probably
19:10
Speaker 2: unpopular opinions about things. I have plenty of those. Oh goodness.
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Speaker 1: Sarah was then suddenly forced to live under the same
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Speaker 1: roof as a literal, documented killer. Guys all why navigating
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Speaker 1: the severe abuse that would ultimately force the State of
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Speaker 1: Missouri to intervene. Okay, but the psychological group blueprint had
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Speaker 1: already been laid.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: In Sarah's formative world, men were either predators, abusers, or killers,
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Speaker 1: and violence was a currency and the legal system was
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Speaker 1: just an obstacle you had to learn how to manipulate.
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Speaker 2: So when Sarah was around twelve or thirteen years old,
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Speaker 2: the State of Missouri finally stepped in, removing her from
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Speaker 2: the volatile war zone of her biological family and placing
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Speaker 2: her with Barb Stewart and her husband.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was some documented reports that her mother
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Speaker 1: is the one who contacted the state because I yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: which I found interesting that she chose her new husband
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Speaker 1: over her daughter. But that's a different thing. So the
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Speaker 1: Stuarts were explicitly warned by caseworkers that they were taking
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Speaker 1: in a deeply traumatized preteen who was legally mandated to
20:36
Speaker 1: go and undergo intensive ongoing counseling. Okay, and they prepared
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Speaker 1: themselves for an explosive, outwardly troubled adolescent. But the girl
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Speaker 1: who walked through their door wasn't loud or rebellious. Instead, guy,
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Speaker 1: she was incredibly quiet, polite, and eager to please.
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Speaker 2: Now, I mean they're lucky, you know, when you are
21:04
Speaker 2: a foster parent in taking in foster kids, they do
21:07
Speaker 2: come from these kind of environments. I just want to
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Speaker 2: make Claire in case I made note, like the advice
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Speaker 2: they got about her possibly being this way is because
21:16
Speaker 2: that's generally the case for a lot of kids, Like
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Speaker 2: it wasn't them like being like this this kid.
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Speaker 1: Teens are already rebellious, and then when they've gone through
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Speaker 1: this kind of trauma a lot of times, it makes
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Speaker 1: that rebellion even more. She just happened to go the
21:31
Speaker 1: other way.
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Speaker 2: She just happened to go the other way. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: telling the foster parents that isn't really.
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Speaker 1: That you have to tell any worse case than the
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Speaker 1: rio to make sure they're prepared.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so. Barb and her family threw themselves into
21:48
Speaker 2: giving Sarah the most normal, stable, Midwestern upbringing possible. They
21:54
Speaker 2: went close shopping together, and took her own family vacations
21:57
Speaker 2: down to their lake property and spend summers out on
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Speaker 2: the boat. And they made sure she went to school
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Speaker 2: dances and even to the next door neighbor who met
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Speaker 2: Sarah the summer between sixth and seventh grade, she said
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Speaker 2: that Sarah felt like the sister she had always desperately wanted,
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Speaker 2: So she had a very She went to all all
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Speaker 2: accounts and everything was fortunate enough to go with a
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Speaker 2: good foster family, which is not always the case.
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Speaker 1: It's not always the case, but yet. But as the
22:31
Speaker 1: years went on, Barb Stewart began to notice a different
22:34
Speaker 1: kind of survival mechanism hardening beneath Sarah's polite exterior. Sarah
22:41
Speaker 1: wasn't a kid who talked back or throw timper tantrums
22:44
Speaker 1: when she was angry. Instead, she would go entirely cold,
22:49
Speaker 1: give a bob carled the evil eye, and retreat to
22:53
Speaker 1: her room. And that's different than on the side eye, guys,
22:57
Speaker 1: Just to work clear. Evil eye is much different than
22:59
Speaker 1: any m hm.
23:02
Speaker 2: So more importantly, Sarah was incredibly snarky, sorry sneaky, babe, babe,
23:12
Speaker 2: thank you.
23:13
Speaker 1: She was thinking about lam about elbow when she said,
23:16
Speaker 1: I was thinking about being snarky with it.
23:19
Speaker 2: I know what you were doing. So more importantly, let
23:23
Speaker 2: me start that over agetting my apologies. Guys, we're working together, Okay,
23:27
Speaker 2: I'm sharing a space. It's going very well. More importantly, though,
23:31
Speaker 2: back to the story, Sarah was incredibly sneaky. Barb realized
23:36
Speaker 2: that if Sarah wanted to do something or go somewhere,
23:39
Speaker 2: she wouldn't ask at all. She would simply sneak off,
23:43
Speaker 2: completely editing or admitting the true story of what she
23:47
Speaker 2: was up to. And she had an early talent for
23:52
Speaker 2: managing the narrative of her own life, which she's gonna
23:57
Speaker 2: use a lot, y'all.
23:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, the darkest shadow of Sarah's childhood dropped in
24:03
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety while she was living with the Stewarts, her
24:07
Speaker 1: ten year old biological brother, who was still living with
24:10
Speaker 1: their biological mother, died under absolutely harrowing circumstances.
24:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you thought, wow, this this her early shidow
24:21
Speaker 2: is not going great. Yeah, it's not. It's not. It's
24:24
Speaker 2: pretty wild. So, according to the police report, the little
24:29
Speaker 2: boy was playing with a nylon dog leash on the
24:33
Speaker 2: front porch of the family's home when he allegedly fell,
24:37
Speaker 2: causing the leash to snag on the stair railing, and
24:41
Speaker 2: their mother found him face down, hanging from the deck.
24:46
Speaker 2: And he had been suspended there for an estimated ten
24:50
Speaker 2: to twenty minutes before anyone noticed. Now, that's really horrible
24:58
Speaker 2: to think about. And I will say this, Weird things
25:02
Speaker 2: do happen, Accidents do. Like I know someone whose niece,
25:08
Speaker 2: she was younger, though she was about two or three,
25:11
Speaker 2: got caught up in the blind.
25:13
Speaker 1: Say, I course, somebody who got caught up in the
25:16
Speaker 1: blind chords from the blind things.
25:20
Speaker 2: But also a toddler. Yeah, that was awesome. This boy
25:23
Speaker 2: was ten. But also those chords are made that way
25:29
Speaker 2: for you know, a reason. So it's absolutely horrible. Yeah.
25:34
Speaker 1: Now, authorities ultimately ruled out a tragic accidental death. The
25:39
Speaker 1: case file notes the highly bizarre and very unsettling nature
25:44
Speaker 1: of the scene. Caseworkers on the scene explicitly documented that
25:49
Speaker 1: their biological mother showed a complete chilling lack of emotion
25:55
Speaker 1: over the loss of her young son and her and
25:58
Speaker 1: later investigations revealed massive discrepancies in the family's timeline of events. Yeah,
26:05
Speaker 1: it's pretty I have questions, but I mean, I'm going
26:09
Speaker 1: to be honest as a person who has dogs, you
26:11
Speaker 1: have dogs, you have to took it on to something unless,
26:16
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd love to know what kind of dog
26:19
Speaker 1: leash it was that it excellently got around his neck.
26:22
Speaker 2: And so yeah, I'm just saying, I know, I.
26:26
Speaker 1: Mean, weird things can happen. It can't, but it is.
26:29
Speaker 2: I wish we had more information about this case, but
26:31
Speaker 2: it's not fair. Now. Sarah was said to be absolutely
26:35
Speaker 2: devastated by her brother's funeral, but true crime analysts and
26:41
Speaker 2: psychologists looking back on this case do ask a haunting question,
26:46
Speaker 2: what does it do to a developing young mind when
26:51
Speaker 2: your stepfather is a literal murderer, your home is defined
26:56
Speaker 2: by abuse both physical and a less sexual, and a
27:02
Speaker 2: mysterious tragic death in your immediate family is basically swept
27:07
Speaker 2: under the rug as a bizarre accident. Because that's a
27:12
Speaker 2: really good question. What does it do to somebody?
27:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
27:17
Speaker 2: We'll let you decide.
27:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll let you decide. Now. As Sarah entered green
27:22
Speaker 1: Ridge High School, the quiet, secretive foster kid transformed into
27:27
Speaker 1: an incredibly intense, hyper focused teenager. Okay, to her classmates,
27:33
Speaker 1: she was pretty just popular, a cheerleader. But beneath that
27:38
Speaker 1: energetic high school exterior, Sarah carried a desperate, almost suffocating,
27:43
Speaker 1: craving for a serious, defining relationship. Just no surprise for
27:51
Speaker 1: young not after it and most team girls.
27:55
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, if Sarah liked a boy, she didn't just
27:59
Speaker 2: have actually date him, She would consume him. She would
28:04
Speaker 2: make sure that no other girl was anywhere near her space.
28:07
Speaker 2: And in high school, she found it exactly what she
28:11
Speaker 2: was looking for in her first look, A boy named
28:15
Speaker 2: Titus Cohner's child, right, is that.
28:19
Speaker 1: That's how I think it is?
28:20
Speaker 2: Coner's child, Conor's child.
28:22
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's.
28:24
Speaker 2: We're gonna that's okay, We're gonna call him a Titus anyway.
28:29
Speaker 2: By the way, is one of my favorite names.
28:32
Speaker 1: Titus.
28:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't see it very often. It reminds me
28:35
Speaker 2: of like Greek, you know, mythology. I just shout out
28:39
Speaker 2: to you, Titus, I like your name. Normally I'm like,
28:41
Speaker 2: that's their name, but it's a good name.
28:47
Speaker 1: Now, when Titus first met Sarah, he felt like he
28:50
Speaker 1: had hit the jackpot. Okay, guys, she was a tentive,
28:54
Speaker 1: she was fun, and she was completely dialed into his world. Okay.
28:59
Speaker 1: If Titus had a hobby, Sarah suddenly loved it too.
29:04
Speaker 1: If Titus listened to a certain kind of music, it
29:07
Speaker 1: was suddenly Sarah's favorite band.
29:10
Speaker 2: M h. And that sounds all great, But it was
29:15
Speaker 2: also a classic mirroring effect. Right, we should have differences.
29:21
Speaker 2: We have differences you and I mean I always did
29:24
Speaker 2: about it. We don't agree on all the same things.
29:26
Speaker 2: When someone's like that, it's a little like.
29:27
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't need a step Ford wife.
29:30
Speaker 2: Right. So the mirroring effect is a psychological chameleon act
29:35
Speaker 2: designed to make a target feel like they've found their
29:39
Speaker 2: absolute soul mate. It is a form of manipulation. Whether
29:44
Speaker 2: young Sarah at this time realized what she was doing
29:46
Speaker 2: or not, it is and for Titus it worked perfectly, okay,
29:52
Speaker 2: because he was like, yeah, me too. Oh my god,
29:56
Speaker 2: you know, they're kids, they're young kids, those.
29:58
Speaker 1: Young hormones in your first love. I mean, everything is
30:02
Speaker 1: so you know, oh yeah, I remember those days.
30:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, to find out some of you were interested and
30:09
Speaker 2: did not like the band you were into. Oh, straight
30:12
Speaker 2: to jail, Straight to jail. We're never gonna work out ever,
30:16
Speaker 2: you know, it's not until later you're like, oh, I
30:19
Speaker 2: don't want somebody exactly like no, thank you. But Sarah
30:25
Speaker 2: also while doing that, though, she was fiercely loyal to
30:28
Speaker 2: him and shielding him from the rest of the world,
30:31
Speaker 2: making him feel like it was the two of them
30:33
Speaker 2: against everything, which is also kind of known as love bumming.
30:38
Speaker 1: Let's excite now, we have a term for it.
30:40
Speaker 2: Right.
30:42
Speaker 1: By the time graduation rolled around in the spring of
30:44
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, Sarah had her sight set on the
30:48
Speaker 1: ultimate commitment. Okay, Just a few months later, in September
30:54
Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety three, the young high school sweethearts were married.
30:59
Speaker 2: Okay.
31:00
Speaker 1: Barb Stewart's husband proudly walked Sarah down the aisle, acting
31:04
Speaker 1: as the father figure she had never truly had, celebrating
31:08
Speaker 1: what everyone hoped was a beautiful new beginning.
31:13
Speaker 2: And then Titus had enlisted in the military, and almost
31:18
Speaker 2: immediately after the wedding, he finished basic training. And then
31:23
Speaker 2: so the newlyweds packed up their lives and moved away
31:27
Speaker 2: from the quiet cornfields of Missouri to Fort Hood, Texas.
31:33
Speaker 2: We're gonna hear a lot about Texas, you guys, just
31:35
Speaker 2: to let you know.
31:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're in my home state today. But the moment
31:40
Speaker 1: they crossed the Texas state line, cut off from the
31:44
Speaker 1: watchful eyes of her foster family and the comfort of
31:47
Speaker 1: our high school friends, the chameleon act stopped. The fun,
31:54
Speaker 1: agreeable cheerleader vanished, and for the first time in his life,
32:00
Speaker 1: Tidis was forced to face the real Sarah Now.
32:04
Speaker 2: The moment Sarah and Titus settled into their new life
32:07
Speaker 2: at Fort Hood, Texas, the walls of the apartment began
32:11
Speaker 2: to feel incredibly small. Titus quickly realized that the sweet,
32:18
Speaker 2: mirroring woman he had married in Missouri was a very
32:22
Speaker 2: carefully constructed mask. Now that they were isolated in Texas,
32:29
Speaker 2: Sarah began and implemented an intense military style level of
32:35
Speaker 2: control over his entire life. More red flags.
32:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, more red flags.
32:44
Speaker 2: Now.
32:44
Speaker 1: She demanded absolute authority over their finances, guys, micro managing
32:50
Speaker 1: every single dollar that Titus earned, and if he wanted
32:55
Speaker 1: to spend time with his army buddies or call his
32:57
Speaker 1: family back home, Sarah would instantly trigger a massive, screaming confrontation.
33:04
Speaker 2: Hmm, that's interesting.
33:07
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Then she began systematically cutting him off from
33:12
Speaker 1: any support system outside of her okay, isolating him completely.
33:18
Speaker 1: Another red flag Tider latest described it as living in
33:23
Speaker 1: a constant state of hypervillaged vigilance, never knowing what minor
33:28
Speaker 1: detail would set off her explosive rage. And that's a
33:32
Speaker 1: hard situation to live in and navigate.
33:36
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And if you think we just copied and pasted
33:40
Speaker 2: Joseph Hartfelt story from the first episode, we didn't. It's
33:45
Speaker 2: very interesting how decades later it's a very similar situation now.
33:53
Speaker 2: The relationship between them quickly dissolved into a toxic cycle
33:57
Speaker 2: of breaking up and making up, and Titus would pack
34:01
Speaker 2: his bags and try to leave her, and Sarah would
34:04
Speaker 2: immediately jump into our relationship with someone else to punish him,
34:10
Speaker 2: and then she would pivot, using intense manipulation to drag
34:14
Speaker 2: him right back into her web. Titus later admitted to investigators, quote,
34:21
Speaker 2: by the time, by that time, I loved her, and
34:24
Speaker 2: she was completely in my head.
34:27
Speaker 1: And we have to remember they were young, newly out
34:30
Speaker 1: of high school, newly married, and he just went into
34:32
Speaker 1: the military. That's a lot. But it wasn't just emotional manipulation.
34:39
Speaker 1: For the first time, Sarah began weaponizing the legal system
34:44
Speaker 1: to control her husband. Okay, during one of their most
34:47
Speaker 1: explosive fights, Sarah called the military police to their quarters,
34:52
Speaker 1: claiming she was the victim of domestic abuse.
34:57
Speaker 2: Now, it was a brilliant, though extremely fucked up. Let
35:02
Speaker 2: me just finish with that fucked up practical maneuver, because
35:07
Speaker 2: in the military, a domestic violence allegation can instantly destroy
35:14
Speaker 2: a soldier's career. So by framing Titus to the MPs,
35:19
Speaker 2: she held his entire livelihood hostage, though no official charges stuck.
35:27
Speaker 2: Back then, Titus learned a terrifying lesson about his young wife,
35:32
Speaker 2: and that is that she would gladly ruin his life
35:36
Speaker 2: to maintain her grip on him.
35:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now just that is wrong, So women to
35:46
Speaker 1: do that. And I'm going to just tell any woman
35:49
Speaker 1: don't do it. I don't care if they're a military
35:51
Speaker 1: or not. Do not lie about your husband being an abuser.
35:54
Speaker 1: That's all you're doing is making it harder for the
35:56
Speaker 1: women who really are being abused.
35:58
Speaker 2: And you're probably the fucking abuse her. She's the abuser
36:02
Speaker 2: in the situation. Like what wo else? Gross?
36:09
Speaker 1: The marriage finally shattered for good in nineteen ninety five,
36:12
Speaker 1: driven by rampant infidelity, tdis managed to walk away with
36:18
Speaker 1: a divorce decree and his life, wholly unaware of just
36:23
Speaker 1: how lucky he was to be one of the few
36:25
Speaker 1: men to escape Sarah Hartfield completely intact.
36:32
Speaker 2: Now, if you think the drama with Titus ended with
36:35
Speaker 2: a simple divorce decree in nineteen ninety five, well this
36:38
Speaker 2: section is where the true pattern of escalation comes screaming
36:44
Speaker 2: in to light, you, guys, Because for Sarah, an ex
36:49
Speaker 2: partner moving on wasn't just a breakup. It was an
36:53
Speaker 2: offense that required a response, and she would always respond.
37:00
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she will prove that to us time and
37:02
Speaker 1: time again.
37:02
Speaker 2: Right.
37:04
Speaker 1: So, after the divorce, Titus tried to rebuild us life.
37:08
Speaker 1: He began dating a new woman, moving into a trailer
37:11
Speaker 1: home as he attempted to put the chaos of his
37:14
Speaker 1: marriage to Sarah in the rearview mirror. But guys, Sarah
37:19
Speaker 1: was anything but done with him.
37:22
Speaker 2: Yeah. During her twenty twenty five Texas murder trial, the
37:26
Speaker 2: jury listened to a piece of terrifying, multi decade old
37:31
Speaker 2: testimony that had never been fully answered for by the law.
37:36
Speaker 2: See Titus and his new girlfriend took the stand to
37:40
Speaker 2: describe a knight that almost ended their lives.
37:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, it was a quiet evening inside their trailer
37:48
Speaker 1: when Titus's girlfriend suddenly smelt something sharp in chemical filtering
37:53
Speaker 1: through the vents. It was the unmistakable stinch of gasoline.
37:59
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So when she stepped outside to investigate, she
38:05
Speaker 2: didn't just find a spill, oh no, no, no, no,
38:09
Speaker 2: she found a full fledged nightmare. There was gasoline actively
38:14
Speaker 2: pulled on the side of their trailer home. And by
38:18
Speaker 2: the way, a fire in a trailer mere seconds mirror seconds,
38:24
Speaker 2: it's very incredibly dangerous. So and then so she finds
38:28
Speaker 2: us on the outside on the side of their trailer home,
38:31
Speaker 2: right and then running away into the dark, caught red
38:34
Speaker 2: handed in the glow of the outdoor lights. Was none
38:38
Speaker 2: other than Sarah Hartsfeld. Mm hmm. Yeah, And listen, you
38:44
Speaker 2: don't just you just do not just set a fire
38:46
Speaker 2: next to a trailer and think nothing's going to happen.
38:48
Speaker 1: And no, yeah, never, yeah, you know what she wanted.
38:54
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. You do that to kill somebody? Yeah. Fire.
38:58
Speaker 2: Trailer fires are unbelow leavably more.
39:00
Speaker 1: Dangerous than house fires, and Titus testified that Sarah was
39:05
Speaker 1: absolutely consumed with fury that he had dared to move
39:09
Speaker 1: on from her while that specific terrifying encounter in the
39:14
Speaker 1: trailer didn't result in her immediate rest, it wouldn't be
39:19
Speaker 1: the last time a breakup involving Sarah ended in literal flames.
39:26
Speaker 2: Nope, get your pens out to make a tally board
39:30
Speaker 2: as well. I'm gonna see.
39:34
Speaker 1: Why because that was in Texas. I still want to
39:37
Speaker 1: know why she was not arrested. Yeah, and then I
39:41
Speaker 1: have to remind myself it's like attempted arson. No, this
39:46
Speaker 1: was arson because she let the shit on fire. So
39:49
Speaker 1: why wasn't she arrested?
39:51
Speaker 2: Yeah? This case is reminiscent of our views for the
39:56
Speaker 2: Robert Hanson case. There were plenty of opportunities to stop her.
40:00
Speaker 2: I don't understand why. You'll get those stories later. You're
40:04
Speaker 2: gonna be like, what more? Yes, listeners, there is so
40:11
Speaker 2: so much.
40:12
Speaker 1: Tell me went from three episodes to like eight or nine?
40:17
Speaker 2: Did it? Does not? She does not get better. Okay,
40:22
Speaker 2: So the ink on the nineteen ninety five divorce papers
40:25
Speaker 2: was dry, but according to Titus, the connections never truly ended.
40:31
Speaker 2: Sarah simply refused to let him go, and looking back
40:36
Speaker 2: on those tumultuous years of separation, it is revealed a
40:41
Speaker 2: terrifying detail that recontextualizes everything we know about Sarah hartsview.
40:49
Speaker 1: Buckle up, babes. Okay, during the darkest days of They're split,
40:55
Speaker 1: Sarah looked at Titus in the eyes, guys, and delivered
40:59
Speaker 1: a cold, explicit warning because she told him point blank,
41:05
Speaker 1: don't be surprised if you don't survive this divorce. That's ominous, guys.
41:13
Speaker 1: And when Titus looks back at that warning, now, he
41:16
Speaker 1: doesn't see empty the theatrical drama. He sees a calculated,
41:21
Speaker 1: missed opportunity by the justice system. And I agree with you, Titus.
41:28
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Absolutely Now. Titus also openly admits he was
41:33
Speaker 2: absolutely terrified of her, describing Sarah as a person who
41:39
Speaker 2: fundamentally cares only about herself and money. And you'll go
41:45
Speaker 2: to see, Yeah, that pretty much checks out. Everyone's a
41:47
Speaker 2: means to an end for her spoilers, And he also
41:51
Speaker 2: pointed out a chilling financial reality. So because they were
41:56
Speaker 2: still legally married during that volatile separation, if Sarah's gasoline
42:03
Speaker 2: stunt at the trailer park had succeeded and he had died,
42:08
Speaker 2: she would have instantly walked away with a two hundred
42:12
Speaker 2: thousand dollars military life insurance payout right. And when Investigative
42:20
Speaker 2: journalists later asked Titus directly if he believed his first
42:24
Speaker 2: wife had initially tried to murder him. His answer was
42:28
Speaker 2: simple and immediate and unblinking yes. And I don't know
42:34
Speaker 2: how you can come to a different conclusion.
42:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, Mary, but it just seems to
42:40
Speaker 1: be where we've landed lately. And I don't know why
42:44
Speaker 1: the fire starters are here either, But hey, there is
42:47
Speaker 1: a Roal housewife's son who started a fire in California
42:50
Speaker 1: that I saw in the headlines. For you Roal Housewife followers,
42:54
Speaker 1: she just admitted it.
42:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, But also just for our listeners, that comment is
43:00
Speaker 2: related to Taylor Parker, the tailor maternal instincts. So if
43:05
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43:09
Speaker 2: you'll be like, oh shit, all these women cannot handle
43:14
Speaker 2: things well and burn I'd love to try to burn
43:16
Speaker 2: things down allegially. Yeah, totally.
43:20
Speaker 1: So the psychological warfare didn't stop in the nineties, guys.
43:25
Speaker 1: Sarah weaponized her exit from Titus life in the most
43:30
Speaker 1: painful way possible, bye leaving him directly and going straight
43:36
Speaker 1: to his best friend m.
43:38
Speaker 2: What a classy lady.
43:40
Speaker 1: The man Titus trusted most was absorbed into Sarah's web,
43:45
Speaker 1: quickly becoming husband number two. Who will get to here shortly.
43:51
Speaker 1: And I need to say, now, there's a girl code
43:53
Speaker 1: and there's a bro code. You don't go to my
43:56
Speaker 1: best friend, and you don't go to your guy. You
43:59
Speaker 1: don't do the best friend.
44:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't do it. But she is Listen. Though Sarah
44:05
Speaker 2: clearly is very intoxicating. She got several men to do it,
44:10
Speaker 2: and obviously this was the hurt Titus. She knew a
44:12
Speaker 2: fuck about this other guy. But we'll get to it.
44:14
Speaker 2: Hold on, we're getting out of ourselves now. For over
44:17
Speaker 2: a decade, Titus carried the quiet anxiety that she might
44:21
Speaker 2: reappear in his life. And in two thousand and eight,
44:26
Speaker 2: which is how many years, thirteen years, thirteen years after
44:32
Speaker 2: their divorce, his nightmare walked through the door again. So
44:38
Speaker 2: Titus was stationed back at Fort Hood working in his
44:41
Speaker 2: military office when Sarah suddenly materialized out of thin air.
44:47
Speaker 2: Now Sarah didn't have an appointment, and she didn't have
44:51
Speaker 2: a reason to be there. She claims she just wanted
44:54
Speaker 2: to talk to preconnect and reminisce about the old days.
45:00
Speaker 1: What girl wants because it was so great.
45:03
Speaker 2: Because it was so great, what a great fun time
45:06
Speaker 2: that all just sounded like and we didn't even get
45:09
Speaker 2: that deep into it. Now, Titus, desperate to avoid a
45:14
Speaker 2: scene in front of his command considering what she's tried
45:16
Speaker 2: to do before about his career, endured the bizarre meeting
45:22
Speaker 2: and then escorted her out.
45:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, that's just creepy. Okay, that's just creepy. Would
45:30
Speaker 1: you ever go show up into an ex's life after
45:34
Speaker 1: thirteen years and just show up at their work?
45:37
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't think so, especially if I, you know, said,
45:42
Speaker 2: allegedly set their trailer on fire with their friend. Don't
45:47
Speaker 2: think I would do that.
45:48
Speaker 1: Nope, the guys is I'm sure you're all guessing. Sarah
45:53
Speaker 1: didn't come to make peace, Okay, she had come to destroy, guys.
45:59
Speaker 1: The moment she left the base, Sarah picked up the phone,
46:03
Speaker 1: tracking down the number for Titus's new wife and drive
46:07
Speaker 1: the psychological grenade into their marriage. Okay, she coldly told her, Hey,
46:14
Speaker 1: I was just with your husband. Guys. It was a malicious,
46:20
Speaker 1: calculated attempt to burn Titus's new life to the ground,
46:24
Speaker 1: purely because.
46:26
Speaker 2: She thought she could wild and that would Mark just say, yo. Now,
46:33
Speaker 2: that was the absolute breaking point. Realizing that time and
46:38
Speaker 2: distance would never protect him from Sarah's malice, Titus went
46:43
Speaker 2: directly through his military chain of command and secured a formal,
46:48
Speaker 2: high level no contact order against her. And that's saying
46:53
Speaker 2: a lot for somebody who hasn't talked to them in
46:55
Speaker 2: about thirteen years. So yeah.
47:01
Speaker 1: Decades later, as Titus watch Sarah's mugshop flashs across national
47:05
Speaker 1: television for the murder of husband ninety five, he didn't
47:09
Speaker 1: feel shocked. Instead, an echoing wave of survival skill washed
47:14
Speaker 1: over him. He looked at the reporters, took a breath,
47:18
Speaker 1: and said something that still lingers over this entire case.
47:23
Speaker 1: He was just honorly surprised that he made it out
47:27
Speaker 1: of the marriage alive. And I agree, that's that's gonna
47:31
Speaker 1: be hard to realize.
47:34
Speaker 2: Mm hmm hmm. Y'all, that was just how it's been
47:38
Speaker 2: number one. Yeah, we know how husband number five ends
47:43
Speaker 2: up going. This is husband one.
47:46
Speaker 1: Yeah.
47:47
Speaker 2: So if you thought that Sarah would, you know, take
47:51
Speaker 2: time to heal after her first divorce, you don't really
47:55
Speaker 2: quite know the pattern yet, because Sarah did not just
47:59
Speaker 2: move on No, she pivoted directly to Titus's best friend,
48:04
Speaker 2: Michael Trexler, because of course she did. Why didn't you
48:09
Speaker 2: want to reconnect with our years later, Terry, I don't know.
48:13
Speaker 1: I don't know because he's just a jerk. That's why
48:16
Speaker 1: he's just a bad guy. You can help yourself, Sarah.
48:19
Speaker 2: I do hope. I hope Titus is living his best life.
48:22
Speaker 2: And I'm under the impression, yes he is.
48:25
Speaker 1: Yes, Titus and I have communicated, hopefully he has watch
48:29
Speaker 1: and I let him know we'd be talking about it.
48:31
Speaker 1: We have chatted on Facebook Messenger. He is. He's happy
48:38
Speaker 1: to be alive and living his life.
48:40
Speaker 2: Yeah. When we go to talk about the trial in
48:44
Speaker 2: later episodes, I mean that it wasn't livestream, but from
48:48
Speaker 2: all of the blogs in the day, like that trial,
48:52
Speaker 2: I wish it was. I do to hear everybody's voices
48:56
Speaker 2: on the stand that finally get to express it's been
49:00
Speaker 2: done to that because listen, just because Titus isn't like
49:05
Speaker 2: what he went through, what the others are about to
49:07
Speaker 2: go through that year about to year is damaging and devas.
49:12
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you it's similar to like Laura
49:15
Speaker 2: Owens in a sense, of like you're messing up somebody's
49:18
Speaker 2: entire psyche. I know about things, you know so and
49:23
Speaker 2: just why we're gonna find They'll come back into the
49:25
Speaker 2: picture later front.
49:26
Speaker 1: She does it to a lot of guys, okay, but
49:30
Speaker 1: now Titus had introduced the two of them during happier times,
49:34
Speaker 1: completely unaware that his best friend would soon become husband
49:38
Speaker 1: number two guys, The betrayal was swift. Almost following the
49:44
Speaker 1: split with Titus in nineteen ninety five, Sarah and Michael
49:47
Speaker 1: began a world win romance, and they quickly tied the knot,
49:52
Speaker 1: rushing into a marriage that seem built entirely on a
49:56
Speaker 1: foundation of stolen loyalty and volatile passion.
50:00
Speaker 2: I bet they had like so much in common terry.
50:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure. I bet she loved every band.
50:06
Speaker 2: He did, every single one. Now. The newlywed then moved
50:12
Speaker 2: out of the military sphere of Fort Hood and into
50:15
Speaker 2: an apartment in West Harris County, Texas. Pres County is
50:19
Speaker 2: what Houston right, cases right? Yes so?
50:25
Speaker 3: But if Michael thought he was kind of beginning the charming,
50:30
Speaker 3: tentive cheerleader, Titus, at first fallen for the illusion, shattered
50:35
Speaker 3: with terrifying speed you thought things went to shit real
50:39
Speaker 3: quick with Titus, Oh boy, yes, because without the buffer
50:43
Speaker 3: of a shared social circle, the relationship quickly dissolved into
50:48
Speaker 3: a pressure cooker.
50:49
Speaker 2: Right. The intense, hyper vigilant control that had suffocated Titus
50:55
Speaker 2: settled heavily over Michael. And I imagine it to be
50:59
Speaker 2: almost worse right because she's like going through this divorce
51:01
Speaker 2: at the scene time time, like taking all of her shit.
51:04
Speaker 1: She needs even more control because she couldn't control Titus.
51:08
Speaker 2: That's what I think. Now. If it only took guys,
51:12
Speaker 2: it only took weeks for the toxic dynamic to explode
51:17
Speaker 2: into literal violence.
51:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, because guys. On March eleventh, nineteen ninety six, neighbors
51:25
Speaker 1: in their West Harris County apartment complex were disrupted by
51:29
Speaker 1: a chaotic, screaming fight echoing through the thin walls. Okay,
51:35
Speaker 1: the situation escalated so rapidly that the local police were
51:40
Speaker 1: called to the scene for domestic disturbance, and when the
51:44
Speaker 1: deputies walked through the door, they found the scene of
51:47
Speaker 1: total disarray.
51:50
Speaker 2: Now, for the first time in her life, Sarah's explosive
51:55
Speaker 2: rage made it onto a official legal docket. Harris County
52:00
Speaker 2: prosecutors officially charged Sarah with family violence and assault for
52:05
Speaker 2: attacking Michael, which I'm going to go on a limb
52:09
Speaker 2: to say it was probably really eff and bad. Mm hmm.
52:13
Speaker 2: It had to be real f and bad. They had
52:16
Speaker 2: to be for Harris County to do and in nineteen
52:18
Speaker 2: ninety six.
52:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, Harris County. I was born and raised there,
52:23
Speaker 1: grew up there, y'all.
52:25
Speaker 2: There's probably everywhere there is, I know, I know now.
52:31
Speaker 1: Years later, during a bond hearing, Sarah tried to minimize
52:34
Speaker 1: the arrest under oath, casually just brushing it off.
52:38
Speaker 2: Oh, it was just the thing, you know, it's fine,
52:41
Speaker 2: big Dale. It's just minor. It was just a minor
52:44
Speaker 2: domestic violence and it's well, it's just it's vie and
52:47
Speaker 2: don't worry about it, guys.
52:49
Speaker 1: She claimed she was completely bewildered that she was the
52:53
Speaker 1: one who ended up in a handcuffs, like, how could
52:55
Speaker 1: it have been me, insisting to the court that it
52:58
Speaker 1: was just a chaotic screaming where she had merely thrown
53:01
Speaker 1: a telephone at him after he allegedly hit her first.
53:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's how it went down.
53:11
Speaker 1: Because cops would not have arrested you ma'am, if that
53:17
Speaker 1: was what.
53:17
Speaker 2: Truly happened, No, yeah, I don't. I don't believe it
53:21
Speaker 2: for one second. And you know, like, yeah, okay, maybe
53:24
Speaker 2: he was Titus, his best friend and this was all weird. Yes,
53:28
Speaker 2: but no one deserves this, nobody, no one deserves to
53:32
Speaker 2: be assaulted abute because it Listen, you're gonna find out
53:36
Speaker 2: it's not just physical, No, it's emotional, psychological. And I
53:43
Speaker 2: can't imagine what all he had to endure because he
53:49
Speaker 2: would have basically been her figurative or literal punching bag.
53:54
Speaker 2: She's like dealing with, you know, her tightest situation that
53:58
Speaker 2: she's not willing to let go. She had to have
54:00
Speaker 2: sat there and told him how worth, how he's not
54:02
Speaker 2: let all this other stuff. Sure, you know, he was
54:06
Speaker 2: just her sounding board for lack of it. She does
54:10
Speaker 2: not see people as people. We're just gonna put it there, Okay,
54:13
Speaker 2: They're not there a means to an end. Yeah. Absolutely So.
54:18
Speaker 2: While the assault case was ultimately dismissed, I don't know
54:22
Speaker 2: the reasons why, and she was released without a conviction,
54:26
Speaker 2: the brief, tumultuous marriage to Michael Trexler was effectively over.
54:32
Speaker 2: Now they divorced shortly after leaving Michael to pick up
54:35
Speaker 2: the pieces of his shattered friendship with Titus and a
54:39
Speaker 2: near miss with a dangerous woman. I think she's going
54:44
Speaker 2: to be better after this, don't you think? I think
54:47
Speaker 2: she's learned a lot at this point?
54:49
Speaker 1: Maybe, Oh, she's learned a lot.
54:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she has.
54:53
Speaker 1: But for the overreaching story of Sarah, this brief marriage,
55:00
Speaker 1: guys established a critical, terrifying precedent. She had officially crossed
55:06
Speaker 1: the line into fiscal violence. Okay. More importantly, she had
55:10
Speaker 1: survived her first brush with the law. Okay, she learned
55:14
Speaker 1: exactly how to frame herself as the victim. Kind of
55:18
Speaker 1: reminds me of Lurid Vallo. When the police showed up
55:21
Speaker 1: and walked away with a dangerous realization that she could
55:24
Speaker 1: face an assault charge and leave the courtroom completely unscathed.
55:30
Speaker 1: The blueprint was working, and Guys, instead of taking some
55:34
Speaker 1: time to work on herself, she went looking for husband
55:38
Speaker 1: number three.
55:40
Speaker 2: Color me shocked. No, you don't say, it's kind of yeah,
55:46
Speaker 2: she's coming with a warning sign. Quite frankly so. Following
55:49
Speaker 2: the wreckage of two broken marriages and the domestic violence arrest,
55:56
Speaker 2: Sarah realized she needed a hard reset. Girl. You need
56:01
Speaker 2: some therapy, You need a lot going on. But I'm
56:04
Speaker 2: gonna go with you. Don't get none of them.
56:05
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just go on a limb and say you
56:07
Speaker 1: might also need some medication.
56:09
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So she decided that she needed to escape
56:12
Speaker 2: the civilian courts of Texas and find a place where
56:16
Speaker 2: her intense craving for structure and authority could be hidden
56:21
Speaker 2: in plain sight. So in nineteen ninety seven, at twenty
56:25
Speaker 2: three years old, Yeah, guys, two marriages, twenty three, that's how. Yeah,
56:31
Speaker 2: we're at the very early stages of her adult life.
56:35
Speaker 2: Sarah then marched into a recruitment office and enlisted in
56:39
Speaker 2: the United States Army. And yeah, I know, I'm just like, what, yeah, what.
56:49
Speaker 2: I think it was to help her image. Should it
56:51
Speaker 2: happen again, right, Like I think I'm a I'm a
56:54
Speaker 2: I'm a veteran or I'm an active military. So you
56:58
Speaker 2: have to believe me, this was very much intentional. I
57:03
Speaker 2: had zero to do. In my opinion.
57:09
Speaker 1: She's not thirty years old yet, sweetheart, she's only twenty three.
57:13
Speaker 1: Twenty three yeah, okay, yeah, now, but for a woman
57:17
Speaker 1: like Siri Sarah, the military wasn't just a career path.
57:21
Speaker 1: It was a gold mine.
57:22
Speaker 2: Guys.
57:23
Speaker 1: The army naturally provided exactly what she had spent her
57:27
Speaker 1: early life trying to violently enforce absolute compliance, strict hierarchy,
57:36
Speaker 1: and total control over daily schedules.
57:40
Speaker 2: Now she trained as a human resource specialist, a strategic
57:46
Speaker 2: desk role that placed her directly in charge of soldiers'
57:49
Speaker 2: personal records, transfers and official documentation. And it was a
57:55
Speaker 2: position of you know, quiet bureaucratic power, right. Who hates bureaucracy?
58:03
Speaker 2: I do. It's my dumbing. It never works out. You're
58:07
Speaker 2: exhausted all the time with all the stupid paperwork. It's frustrating.
58:12
Speaker 2: But you know what, she loved it. She loved it.
58:15
Speaker 2: Why because in the office, if Sarah didn't like you, your
58:19
Speaker 2: paperwhere could mysteriously vanish at the bottom of a stack
58:23
Speaker 2: poof gone, Oh no, I don't know what happened, too bad,
58:27
Speaker 2: so sad. And so then if she wanted to favor someone,
58:30
Speaker 2: she held the keys to the administrative kingdom, if you will,
58:34
Speaker 2: it's just that subtle power play that's just like and.
58:37
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, as a person whose career has been in
58:40
Speaker 1: HR it terrifies me the thought of her being even
58:44
Speaker 1: the paper person a specialist, because you can't do that.
58:49
Speaker 1: You have to put your thoughts aside. Okay, right, But
58:55
Speaker 1: while the army gave her a uniform, it didn't change
58:58
Speaker 1: her nature. Guys, Fellow soldiers and supervisors quickly realize that
59:03
Speaker 1: behind her sharp uniform and professional demeanor lay an incredibly polarizing,
59:10
Speaker 1: highly manipulative, manipulative operator. Okay, her superiors, Sarah worked tiresly
59:18
Speaker 1: to present herself as the ultimate hypercompetent soldier, eager to please,
59:24
Speaker 1: fiercely rule abiding, and deeply loyal to the chain of
59:29
Speaker 1: command everything military wants.
59:32
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, absolutely, But to.
59:34
Speaker 1: The peers and supportinates trapped beneath her on the ladder,
59:38
Speaker 1: she used the military infrastructure as a weapon.
59:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so if a lower ranking soldier crossed her
59:47
Speaker 2: or question her authority, Sarah didn't just write a standard
59:52
Speaker 2: reprimand No, why won't she do that, you silly gooses. No,
59:56
Speaker 2: she would orchestrate targeted, systematic campaigns of workplace harassment, using
1:00:02
Speaker 2: official military channels to paper their files with complaints until
1:00:06
Speaker 2: their morale was entirely broken. All right. She took people
1:00:11
Speaker 2: paper hostage, is what she did. Now, She adapted her
1:00:15
Speaker 2: lifelong psychological warfare to the uniform Code of Military justice,
1:00:21
Speaker 2: realizing that a well placed official complaint could destroy a
1:00:26
Speaker 2: rival just as effectively as a screaming match in an
1:00:30
Speaker 2: apartment complex. And I will say that I did listen
1:00:36
Speaker 2: to one of her former.
1:00:39
Speaker 1: Higher I was always he was her commander.
1:00:44
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, I don't know ranking, so I don't want
1:00:47
Speaker 2: to hear this.
1:00:48
Speaker 1: He was her commander because I sent that to you in.
1:00:51
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah, he said. Yeah, she is great at
1:00:55
Speaker 2: her job, but none of us felt safe in a
1:00:58
Speaker 2: room alone with her, like they kind of knew. But
1:01:01
Speaker 2: she was also very good at military intelligent, all sorts
1:01:04
Speaker 2: of things. She did excel. But even they were like, Nope,
1:01:09
Speaker 2: if you had a meeting with her, you got somebody
1:01:11
Speaker 2: else in the room with you.
1:01:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called cya. People. She was Cya. They were
1:01:16
Speaker 1: cyn For over twenty years, Sarah moved from base to pace,
1:01:21
Speaker 1: climbing to ranks to sergeant first class.
1:01:25
Speaker 2: Okay.
1:01:26
Speaker 1: The military became her perfect camelote camouflage, which is scary, guys,
1:01:32
Speaker 1: because to the outside world she was a decorated veteran
1:01:35
Speaker 1: serving her country in country, but behind the scenes, She
1:01:39
Speaker 1: was using her position to scout for her next targets,
1:01:42
Speaker 1: drawing a stready stream of men into her orbit under
1:01:47
Speaker 1: the protective shield of her government uniform.
1:01:50
Speaker 2: Which is gross. It is gross, Sarah, How dare you? Hell?
1:01:56
Speaker 2: Dare you? And it was during this long military tenure
1:02:01
Speaker 2: that she would in fact find the man who would
1:02:04
Speaker 2: endure her longest, most volatile relationship yet, and that would
1:02:11
Speaker 2: be husband number three.
1:02:14
Speaker 1: That's right, third time, su charm. Maybe you already knows
1:02:18
Speaker 1: she killed husband number five charm right, sure, guys, that
1:02:24
Speaker 1: does bring us to the end of episode two. Okay,
1:02:27
Speaker 1: we've watched a young Sarah emerge from a childhood of
1:02:31
Speaker 1: deep generational violence to perfect a terrifying pattern of emotional isolation,
1:02:38
Speaker 1: physical assault, and literal arson before hiding her true nature
1:02:44
Speaker 1: behind the camouflage of that decorated military uniform. But guys,
1:02:50
Speaker 1: the storm was only gathering.
1:02:52
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, If you think anything we said sounds bad,
1:02:55
Speaker 2: don't worry. Don't worry. It does not get better. It
1:02:58
Speaker 2: does gets worse. Better us next time on True Crime
1:03:02
Speaker 2: and Wine, time, we tackled the massive nineteen year mountain
1:03:07
Speaker 2: that was marriage number three to Christopher Donahue, where for
1:03:11
Speaker 2: nearly two decades, Sarah managed to maintain the ultimate illusion
1:03:16
Speaker 2: of stability. There was a wedding, growing family, and a
1:03:21
Speaker 2: baby carriage. But beneath the surface of this suburban paradise,
1:03:27
Speaker 2: Christopher was living in a psychological prison. Quote. It was
1:03:32
Speaker 2: like living with a ghost that was actively trying to
1:03:35
Speaker 2: rewrite your reality every single day. You don't realize how
1:03:40
Speaker 2: deep you were until you couldn't breathe end quote.
1:03:46
Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, the mass completely shattered during what investigators
1:03:51
Speaker 1: call Sarah's Missouri Shenanigans, when her brother Cody steps forward
1:03:56
Speaker 1: to deliver a wave of devastating news, triggers an all
1:04:00
Speaker 1: out family feud that ends the only way a Sarah
1:04:07
Speaker 1: Heartsfield breakup can with literal billowing smoke. What more fires.
1:04:16
Speaker 1: We are going to unpack the terrifying details of fire
1:04:20
Speaker 1: number two, guys, a burning rage that left a family
1:04:24
Speaker 1: home scorched to the ground.
1:04:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, we said, you're going to need a pen for
1:04:29
Speaker 2: Tally Marker's husband number three, Fire number two, And finally,
1:04:34
Speaker 2: we are exposing the explosive Brian Altis affair, the lies,
1:04:39
Speaker 2: the absolute fabrication of reality, and a toxic, long distant
1:04:44
Speaker 2: relationship that collided head on with a bizarre, devastating who
1:04:49
Speaker 2: wants to take a guest and chat anybody? House fire?
1:04:53
Speaker 2: That's right, fire number three, just twenty minutes after a
1:04:59
Speaker 2: final break up, And guys, I thank you all and
1:05:03
Speaker 2: know Yeah, anyway, was Sarah an incredibly unlucky woman plagued
1:05:08
Speaker 2: by coincidental blazes?
1:05:10
Speaker 1: Or was she systematically setting fire to the lives of
1:05:14
Speaker 1: anyone who dared to walk away?
1:05:17
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. So be sure to pour yourself another glass,
1:05:20
Speaker 2: double check your smoke detectors, embrace yourselves, because next week
1:05:25
Speaker 2: the smoke clears and the full scale of the monster
1:05:28
Speaker 2: comes into view. And if you thought tonight was woe,
1:05:33
Speaker 2: it is going to continue to be more woe every
1:05:36
Speaker 2: single episode.
1:05:39
Speaker 1: First episode. Think of it as like pre k We're
1:05:44
Speaker 1: still only in kindergarten, first grade. She got a long
1:05:47
Speaker 1: way to go. And I wonder that Lady and Gray,
1:05:50
Speaker 1: how did she ever pass a psyche test? I don't
1:05:52
Speaker 1: know if they did them back then.
1:05:55
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for like military and stuff. Yeah, probably to
1:05:59
Speaker 2: sound the grave. Like that's the thing is if you
1:06:01
Speaker 2: are a high functioning psycho sociopath, because I don't remember
1:06:06
Speaker 2: which one it is right at this point, you're gonna
1:06:08
Speaker 2: be able to pass. They do it all the time.
1:06:10
Speaker 1: No consequences. What consequences has this woman faced?
1:06:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, so far as zero cons almost she's very close
1:06:21
Speaker 2: to facing some. But now she's just hidden behind the
1:06:28
Speaker 2: military and doing you know, she's married. How much damage
1:06:33
Speaker 2: has she done to other people's lives that like, we're
1:06:36
Speaker 2: not even going to talk about. Oh yeah, where her
1:06:39
Speaker 2: decisions and bullshit? She pulled up like we don't even
1:06:42
Speaker 2: know the ripple effect of her at and you'll see
1:06:47
Speaker 2: it's just widens and widens and wines, and especially you know,
1:06:51
Speaker 2: Titus and Michael to be in those relationships with her,
1:06:57
Speaker 2: you know, that would make it difficult to be in
1:07:00
Speaker 2: relationships with one and then to have her never leave
1:07:03
Speaker 2: you alone, I know.
1:07:04
Speaker 1: And that's the thing that I find so interesting. They
1:07:08
Speaker 1: let her into the military, but yet she had a
1:07:12
Speaker 1: lifelong restraining.
1:07:14
Speaker 2: Order from the military.
1:07:16
Speaker 1: From the military against Titus. I'm like, did y'all not
1:07:19
Speaker 1: do your paperwork? Computers were around then, it wasn't all paper.
1:07:26
Speaker 2: Half azed fashion says the rare female arsenist. Interesting exactly,
1:07:29
Speaker 2: it is not very often. It's not see a female
1:07:33
Speaker 2: arsenist at all, and here, we got here, we got one,
1:07:38
Speaker 2: and she did just she both burnsh it down figuratively
1:07:42
Speaker 2: and literally.
1:07:44
Speaker 1: We're going to find that she is quite a piece
1:07:49
Speaker 1: of work. Yeah, she doesn't just burn down houses. I
1:07:53
Speaker 1: mean she destroys people's lives. Wow.
1:08:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's been how lucky now twenty three, twenty four
1:08:04
Speaker 2: years old at this point in her life. Yeah, and
1:08:07
Speaker 2: this is again one small chapter of her future life
1:08:12
Speaker 2: because when she gets arrested for the death of Joseph
1:08:16
Speaker 2: Heart Heartsville, she's forty eight. Yeah, I think she's forty
1:08:21
Speaker 2: eight years old, and then fifty during her trial.
1:08:24
Speaker 1: So yeah, So, I mean, we still got a long
1:08:26
Speaker 1: way to go. And guys, she packs a lot of
1:08:29
Speaker 1: living into that short time.
1:08:31
Speaker 2: Sure does, Sure does well.
1:08:34
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1:08:39
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1:08:51
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1:08:57
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1:09:32
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1:09:37
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1:09:40
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1:09:44
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1:09:48
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1:09:54
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1:09:58
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1:10:01
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Speaker 1: Is it a pregnancy test?
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Speaker 2: No, it's not it's not a pregnancy.
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Speaker 1: Test that would be kind of fun.
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it's way better than that, I promise.
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Speaker 2: So I'll be letting people know in the morning ten
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Speaker 2: am Eastern what's in there. We'll talk about Laura in
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Speaker 2: all sorts of things tomorrow. So who knows, Tomorrow's gonna
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Speaker 2: be a really fun day though, I'm very excited about it. Yep.
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Speaker 1: you would like to say before we go?
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Speaker 2: No, I want to talk more about this case, but
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Speaker 2: I can't because there's still so much more I'm like,
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Speaker 2: and so that's why if you can't see us on
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Speaker 2: the podcast, But I have a giant smile on my face,
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Speaker 2: one because of the story we just covered, but also
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Speaker 2: because I know it's in this box. And so if
1:11:37
Speaker 2: this is any indicator of how freaking my face hurts,
1:11:42
Speaker 2: that's how hard I'm smiling right now. But no, thank
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Speaker 2: of your support on all platforms. It's amazing, super lucky
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Speaker 2: to be able to do this for funzies. I love it.
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Speaker 2: But as I always say, and until next time, my friends,
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Speaker 2: go for it and be amazing.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and guys, be safe, stay aware. Also remember to
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Speaker 1: be kind and enjoy your wine time and enjoy some
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Speaker 1: extra for me.
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Speaker 2: That's right. Have a great night everybody. Bye h