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Random Heathen Ramblings: S4, EP05 - I Am Norse Pagan... Or Am I??? · Random Heathen Ramblings

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do my stuff through. But anyway, today's topic of
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discussion this week's topic of discussion, I say in the title
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or in the yeah the title and the thumbnail rate I am Norse Pagan
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or am I Now, that may raise some questions, the last three words
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or am I am I really Norse Pagan, you know, I think that's a fair
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question to ask because it's probably something of similar
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questions or similar question that gets asked by individuals
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to themselves about themselves in a, in some sort of way,
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right? Am I this am I?
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What I say I am do, I is the label that It is.
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Put up on me, weather. You know, whether I place it
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upon myself, whether it's placed upon me by others, or whether
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it's just a generic term, is this the most accurate?
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Label that could be pushed. That could be placed upon me.
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That could be put upon me. Or is this the best description
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out there? Now, if you guys listen to last
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week's episode and saw the Heathen, 3101 thing I went into
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some descriptions talking about This specific religious path of
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this specific spirituality path of spirituality.
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And in kind of touched upon very lightly, some of the various
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names that it's known by and I mentioned, you know Norse
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paganism or Norse Heathen re Germanic paganism dramatic
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polytheism. Also true.
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Right? Then some of these other ones
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and you know there are some there are some Labels.
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We're just going to call that, we're just going to call it
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labels for the sake of of of this episode and for the sake of
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argument, right? Because I know, excuse me,
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there, I know that'll that a lot of people dislike labels, you
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know? They they they dislike the term
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of this or that thing or the other because of whatever reason
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I'm a lot of people have different reasons but they
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choose to you know, Define themselves or be known as
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something without a label or they're pretty Ambiguous may be
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the right term or a bit Anonymous.
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I don't know. It's open-ended really like it.
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You know, there's no real specific label to what people
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want to be known as and that's fair.
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But, you know, for the sake of this podcast in the for the sake
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of the audience, right? We're going to call what I'm
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talking about labels. So, am I in Norse Pagan?
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I say I am. I do a lot of what I do in the
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the vein of what Norse paganism would.
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Encompass, right, whether it be aesthetic ritualistically,
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spiritually Norse, paganism is probably a fair label to put on
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what I do. You know, my imagery again, my
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aesthetic how I dress, how I decorate, you know, there's a
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lot of that Decor, you know the aesthetic is there. but I do
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want to talk about something that came up recently that You
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know, I'm always thinking, right?
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I'm always taken what a lot of what you guys say and using your
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feedback using the the material that becomes conversation, on
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different things that I post on my various platforms.
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And I listen, I don't always respond directly.
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I may not always reply directly. I try to stay engaged as much as
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I can with, with things. shinde and in, there are some times
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that the conversation goes off into Realms of detail and in
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granularity that I just don't have time to spend in my phone
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on my computer, just typing things out, you know, it does
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get tedious, it does become time-consuming, believe it or
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not, and I have a life, you know, I have a home, I have A
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social life. I have my wife, I have my family
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time. I have my work.
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I have all these things that everybody else has, of course.
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And on top of that being a content creator and podcasted
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right doing all the things to stay in the views of My
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supporters, my friends, my fans, the right everybody that makes
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what I do possible. And so I come here once a week
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and I ramble on about things that for me is a bit cathartic
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because I can address some of the more Deep stuff, right?
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Some of the more granular stuff and I can respond in ways that I
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feel are deserving of the type of conversation that those
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comments and whatnot. Generate and so, am I in Norse
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Pagan? This was not a, you know, this
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wasn't a question that was posed on a thread anywhere to me.
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And there wasn't really anything about this particular
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conversation that caused me to question.
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June weather. I am what I leave either have
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been labeled as or what I fall under a certain category of
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being, you know, this this this comment that that kind of
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triggered this podcast episode and in the comment thread that
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ensued from it is really just kind of put me in a frame of
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mind of kind of opening up the feeling that I had to a larger
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audience and to get some To get some engagement on it you know
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and to get some feedback on it. Because again so much of what I
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do here is fueled by what you guys and gals out here listening
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and watching respond to and so we're going to jump into it.
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There's going to be some things popping up for those that are on
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the video. You know, platforms is going to
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be some things popping up here on screen that will probably
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land right over here somewhere, screenshots of comments of
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things. And I'm not going to redact
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anything. because the comment thread is on the midgard,
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musings, Facebook page. I'm going to be linking that
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post down in the description and in the show notes.
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So for everybody that does follow me on Facebook, if you
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missed it, you want to go back and you want to see if you want
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to weigh in yourself. Please feel free to do so.
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It's going to be linked in the guy said in the description in
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the show notes, but you're going to be seeing some stuff, the,
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for those again that are watching.
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Screenshots going to be posting up on screen here, regarding
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what I'm talking about. So this post that I made Sunday.
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I think it was it was over. It was over this past weekend.
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So you know, we're going home almost into a week or so ago
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and, you know, some of the screen shots, you're going to
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see have dated it two or three days ago, but that's at the time
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of me, capturing them. So by this at this point in time
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where we're close to five days, 45 days, you know, in the past.
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So the The post in itself. Was on a Jawbone piece II
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crafted. Something out of a deer Jawbone,
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the Jawbone of a deer, right? A few weeks ago, to three weeks
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ago, maybe if that my wife was out driving around her.
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And I like to do this Pokemon go thing, Pogo.
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All right, and so, she was out just driving around.
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I was at work, she was out, driving around, and she was
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driving around in an area that it's a pretty wooded area.
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And she was just doing her Pogo thing and, and drove by this one
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area, where she noticed, what she thought.
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Thought was a large concentrated growth area of of fungus
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mushrooms and such, and she's like, oh, what's that?
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She stopped and turns out to it was the it was bones, a pile of
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bones, quite a large pile of bones, and the best that we can
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determine it was the remains of a deer, I'm talking like Dozens
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of rib, bones whole spine, including the tail, some femurs
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and, and other leg bones. And, and a jaw bone, which is
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again, what was used to make this, this piece that I'm
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talking about. So the piece is, is literally
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this. It's a Jawbone made with bells
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and Beads and some Rawhide leather binding and whatnot.
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And and first of all, it got a very big response to people.
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Like I mean there's there's all kinds of comments reactions
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shares and whatnot. But I'm calling attention to one
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individuals particular comment, which again, because it's a
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public thing. I'm not redacting any
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information because it's going to be linked down here, so
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everybody can go and see it and I have no reason to our this is.
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There's nothing to fair use. Going on here.
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But it's it's it's this comment. Popping up here on screen.
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And it says, is this a ritual to love personal Praxis or is it
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rooted in something historically?
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Heathen? Great question.
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First of all just want to say great question.
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Secondly, I want to follow up, I do respond to that you know, so
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I say it is for my personal practice.
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But before I go further into this, I do just want to say that
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I have never in the years that I have been putting out content,
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whether it be just, you know, my midgard, amusing stuff, or
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whether it be the last three. Now, going on, well, this is the
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fourth season of the random even ramblings podcast in whatever
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form of or fashion of content that I have released.
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I have never once positioned myself out here, Or in any
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platform as being a Reconstructionist or
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historically historical Recon. Historical reconstruction is
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Heathen or person. I do hold a very hot in very
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high esteem. The value behind what is
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historically documented? And I love learning things of
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history and there's so much to learn, and there's so many
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things that through, that learning you change throughout
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time, I, as new discoveries are made and as new The evidence is
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provided through archaeological and scientific research.
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There's there's a lot of growth and a lot of evolution that
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happens throughout that. So but to be fair and just to
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put it out here on the record, I am not what I would refer to as
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a hardcore reconstructions Heathen, my Heathen practices,
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the Heathen practices surrounding the tribe that I am
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tied to and with, and some of the friends that are are closely
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connected to our Inner Circle. Right.
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R. Our tribal, through our through
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our customs, our Traditions laws, if he will, aren't so much
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as you know, laws, as like concrete laid down, at least not
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yet. Because the tribe is Young,
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there is again growth and things that happen.
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But there's a When it comes to like how we not how but when we
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observe certain holy Tides yes that is rooted in historical.
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Fact, at least at least to the degree that we have right now,
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right? So when we hold, you'll is the
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historically backing. The, you know, what is
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historically backed up as when pre-christian, you always held
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same way for like see gonna blow winter nights etcetera but when
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it comes to a lot of other things, you know, like we're
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still figuring things out. We're not deeply rooted in
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historically. You know, we're not so stuck in
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the roots, we're not so rootbound that we are limiting
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ourselves to growth because the growth the growth happens above
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ground. The roots are where the Anchor
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Point is the roots are where the the, the everything is centered
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around, but growth happens above ground, right?
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It happens. Yes, the roots grow and they
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sink in deeper, but I'm talking about, like the flourishing,
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the, the growth, the expansion, everything happens above ground,
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So we take that and I take that and even with my personal
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practices, take some of the stuff from from what I learned
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or what I am learning, drought historical research and other
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things of that nature, and put it into practice, within our
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tribal construct. And so, there's a healthy blend
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of the old and the new. And it's, it's a big thing for
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me. And it's been kind of the I
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guess Mantra, if you will. I mean, you guys see it at the
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end of every podcast or at least here recently, you do you know,
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practicing old ways in modern times, finding the application
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of things that were done in old ways, Henry, and Archie, even
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times, and finding its practical use and its practicality in
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modern times. I'm not a hardcore Recon, so
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when I get questions like this, you know, is what you're doing,
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you know, based on personal areas, is it for personal
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practice, or does it have any roots in actual historical,
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Heathen re, you know, again, this this type of question
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always makes me go. Well, I guess yes or no right?
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I mean it's not a hard. Yes and or hard know there is
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some of what I do and some of what I am doing that has backing
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in it but it doesn't. It's not the reason why I do it
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right and I want to before I get into more of this topic of this
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conversation, I want to bring up one of the things that I hold
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very important and very necessary for me is Purpose.
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And the why? If, if I were to just abandon
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all of what I feel, if I were to just abandon The.
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Intuitions, the things that I know have worked for me and if I
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were to just abandon that and just go strictly based off of
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Hardcore, historical Lee backed information.
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Nothing against people that do for me.
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I feel like I would lose touch of the purpose.
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I would lose touch of the why? Because in in, I'll tell you,
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the reason why is because I again hold value to what
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information we have that has historically backed I also know
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that so much of what is historically, back this
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changeover years and it's going to continue change.
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We're going to find new things. We're going to discover new
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things, so it's an evolutionary thing.
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It's an inward, it's a work in progress, It's a living thing.
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It's not. Well, they did it that way 1500
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years ago. So that's how we have to do it
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now. And then in 10 years, we go.
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Well, maybe they didn't do white, do it that way 1500 years
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ago. Maybe they did in a little bit
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different way because we dug up something.
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Somebody in Norway somebody in Denmark.
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Somebody in Sweden, somebody somewhere dug up some I think
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that suggest otherwise and then all of a sudden wear doing
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things differently again. So again, I find Value and I
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find a purpose for what, there is an historically backed
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information, but I don't stay there, I don't reside there and
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so when people ask me what you're doing is it for personal
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practice or is there anything back around it?
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Historically you know my answer is going to be a blend of the
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two. So, I do respond, I say it's for
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my personal practice, but I asked, I said, you know, could
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you direct me and others looking to find valid historical sources
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that support that bones were used in ritual?
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Now, here's where things get to be a little messy and I
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apologize if it's not my fault, it's the way that the platform
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kind of orders the wind comments.
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Come through. So for those that are watching
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listening, right, when you click on the link, that is annotated
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you go back to this conversation thread.
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You may have to change your comments because Facebook
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automatically is going to categorize most recent content
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comments as being what gets seen first, so you're not going to
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see all combat, you're going to go in there.
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Drill down a little bit. Click on that thing that says
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most recent contacts and click all comments to see some of what
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I'm I'm talking about. and some of these things are going to
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again, are going to be screenshot it, and put up on the
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screen for you to see Butts. And again, this is going to
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require me to kind of drill down a bit through here.
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And, and, and, and point out, My responses to things.
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But suffice that to say. So again, you know I tell them
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about what it is. It's a personal thing and again,
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change it to all comments. It goes by most relevant.
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So let me go back to change it to all comments.
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You guys just bear with me. All right, here we go.
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Replies. All right, so, you know, I say
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yes, it's a personal practice thing, but where can we find
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more information about the use of Bones, specifically, bones
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that were used in ritual? This person responses as you
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know, while I'm not aware It should be up here somewhere, not
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aware of extensive use of bone charms per say.
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I'm aware that the arch Ethan's believe that the soul lived
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within the bones and I think Road to Hell by rho S Davidson
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covers that going to pause for just a minute.
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I have gone through and and gleaned most of the Road to Hell
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which is again, a very highly recommended source for the
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conceptual the Concepts of the dead and the afterlife are
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dramatic concept of Norse concepts of the Dead in the
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afterlife. Very highly recommended
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material. I suggest anybody that is
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anybody? He didn't want that.
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You know what should should get a copy of that.
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But the the part here, where it says that the soul lived within
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the bones, I am. I'm going to to venture off to
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say here that the content the concept I should say the concept
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of the Soul as a singular thing. Only happened after
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Christianity, became the norm in Scandinavia specifically, I
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don't think that the concept of the Soul was limited to a
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singular thing. Like we say, the soul lived in
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the bones, I'll have to go back and read through the road to
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hell. I have a digital PDF copy of it
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and so I'm going to, it's going to take some time, for me to go
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back through it. But if pre-christian heathens,
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if our cheese is had a concept of what happens to us when we
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die and it was linked as being just one concept of the soul.
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I don't think that Davidson's research and stuff in the road
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to Hell support that. So, there may have been a part
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of the Soul. An element of the Soul, whether
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it be the Huger the thought, right?
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Or the Hummer, the the physical part of yourself that exists
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remains in the bones. And again, without going back
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and reading through that, I know that at least in those times
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that again, the the soul, the concept, the concept of the Soul
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was multifaceted was a multi-part you had hum when we
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had the feeling, you had the Huger you had humming.
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You hear all these Various parts that constitute what the soul
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is. So your soul.
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Your spirit is not tied to just one particular thing.
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There's parts of the soul that reside, certain places that are
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able to go certain places. This was what?
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I'm pretty sure Davidson's research and stuff from The Road
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to Hell support that the soul is not tied to just one thing.
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I can't say, for sure. I'm not going to say that 100%
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assuredly. But for anybody that has a Road
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to Hell, The Road to Hell by h.r., Ellis Davidson and knows
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better, feel free to to comment. so, one other thing in terms of
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this Bone charms being used. I'm going to Also annotate.
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Something this image right here. This is a reconstructed image of
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the what is known as the shaman of below badou danberg I'm
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mispronouncing that oh well but the shaman of Ogdensburg, this
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this image is a reconstructed image.
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I believe it's a reconstructed image of of a woman.
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A young middle-aged woman, who existed.
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Some. I want to say, like, between
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five to seven thousand years ago in an area of the world and
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during an age, that was part of Saxony.
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I'm going to link something in the show notes and in the
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description for you guys to read more about it.
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But clearly the remains of this Shaman of this woman were
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discovered in, I think it was a bog or something.
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Anyway, they were they were Unearthed, they were discovered
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and And with the remains of this person were bones.
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And and other artifacts. And if there's all kinds of
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Bones there, there's crane, there's there's Beaver, there's,
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I mean, there's, there's all kinds of things of bone remnants
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that were buried with this person and the shamans, you
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know, in many cultures are highly esteemed, highly, highly
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respected people, right? For having mastered skills of
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healing. Through medicine through ritual
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trance through various methods. And so when we find remains like
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this of people who are buried with certain items and then
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chances are the the reason why they were buried with them is
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because they were used in their everyday practices or at least
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in their semi regular everyday practices, right?
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They were they were someone of high esteem in their society
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that they wanted those things that they were that the in used
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in there every day to day, life to carry with them into the
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Afterlife. And it is largely believed and
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speculated that these bones were part of ritual, attire, so jaw
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bones teeth, you know, whatever other parts of the body of the
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animal that were used in, whether it would be a headdress
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or whether it be some sort of adornment right bones were used.
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So this is clearly one particular thing that that
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predates Christianity in the North, Right.
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It's again data to be during whatever millio missile of like,
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I don't know. But whatever it is.
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It's I'm going to put it up here on the screen that this age.
28:43
Okay. This age, it's old.
28:48
It's really, really old. And You know, it's in Saxony,
28:55
saxony-anhalt of Saxony. So there's there's some evidence
29:01
for you that. Highly suggest that bones had a
29:08
place in in that regions spiritual practices.
29:17
I made some comments. that that, that lead to a person say they
29:27
were likely to this person saying that, I'm curious how it
29:30
is that you feel about the guarding of sacral spaces
29:34
objects in accesses, we have some evidence like in the
29:38
accounts of bead that shows that showing the contents of your
29:45
Hearth cult to guard was a quote, unquote taboo or was a
29:51
taboo, I find it like That in modern practices heathens would
29:53
only break this topic for academic reasons as
29:56
reconstruction may require sure that's a fair.
29:59
That's a fair statement. And so, but but here's the,
30:04
here's kind of my response to some of this.
30:06
And I allude to this in a comment saying that I don't when
30:12
it comes to sharing things of Sacre de sacredness, right?
30:17
Sacral space sacred objects, right?
30:19
I mean this was this was this is a piece of a deer bone that I
30:23
crafted and said, this is a ritual piece that I made.
30:27
I hadn't used it yet in ritual. It was, it was a work in
30:30
progress and I was just sharing the crafting of it, right?
30:35
I don't film. Shouldn't say I don't I don't
30:42
share what is filmed of any sort of a ritual nature, right?
30:47
If I'm doing ritual whether it be personal Hearth, cult stuff,
30:53
or whether it be on a larger scale.
30:54
If anything gets filmed, it doesn't get shared publicly in
30:57
the moment, right? I don't film a ritual, nothing
31:00
gets film. That gets shared for the public
31:02
to see because It may be filmed or may be documented for again,
31:07
for research purposes for for my own.
31:12
You know, references to go back and say that was something I
31:15
wanted maybe do different or whatever.
31:17
And we have these tools available to us.
31:19
Now that I think if it had been existing in ancient times may
31:25
have been leveraged and may have been used, can we say that for
31:28
sure? Is that speculation?
31:29
I absolutely 100%. Right.
31:32
We do know, we do get a sense of of the like what he's talking
31:37
about here, or what this person is talking about here of the The
31:43
they're being penalties to sharing these sorts of things to
31:48
the outside to what he says, who card, you can guard the, the
31:51
outer layer. The so we have in and garden
31:53
garden, inner yard, outer yard. There was a pretty clear like
32:01
lines were drawn barriers were defined.
32:05
You know what I mean? Sacred Space was defined as
32:08
Sacred Space. And what was beyond what was
32:10
without that was, was not And so we you know we see some
32:16
examples, I'm going to be talking a little bit more about
32:18
this as I go through some of the comments that certain and very
32:23
specific things were kept 100% withdrawn from the outside.
32:27
In other words, they were only for the household.
32:30
They were only for the families and it was it was it was
32:34
something very private and so wasn't shared abroad and I
32:39
appreciate and I and I find that there is value to be placed on
32:43
that. so this, this particular comment, I, you know, I had I
32:55
had said that, you know, I don't think, or I don't film sorry.
32:59
I don't film a record. Any rituals being done in the
33:02
moment when I'm doing it already said this but to the point that
33:08
I said that, you know what was taboo, In medieval Scandinavia
33:13
or before is what it was for the time and that we aren't living
33:17
in those times. So my my counter-argument to
33:22
this person's comment or I guess my counter.
33:25
Yeah, my wasn't necessarily an argument.
33:27
It was it was discussion right. Debate healthy debate.
33:31
You know, when you bring up things like taboo, I first of
33:34
all, think mostly I think and it's this, maybe just my
33:38
jumping, the gun or my assumptions.
33:40
But I'm wondering if people think this to when we, when we
33:42
hear the word taboo, right? We're thinking of social taboos.
33:45
We're not necessarily thinking of things of a religious, or
33:48
spiritual nature things that were taboo or not to be done,
33:53
right? Because of religious.
33:56
Consequences, or a reasons that could negatively impact you from
34:02
a religious or spiritual nature, where I think most of us think
34:04
of taboos is things that just didn't Jive for the society at
34:08
the time. So we were talking about, you
34:09
know, social taboos But there are religious taboos amongst
34:16
certain cultures and among certain belief systems, right?
34:19
It is taboo for the Muslims and Christians to eat pork, for
34:22
instance, as a word, maybe not Christians per se, I know
34:25
Christianity. It does adopt some judeo
34:28
abrahamic beliefs, which is again.
34:30
The Jews don't eat pork and neither do Muslims, but we'll
34:34
get into that in just a minute. But so, there you go, there you
34:36
go. There, there's a religious taboo
34:38
it. Is it again, it is against
34:40
Divine Law. To do x y z and that's where the
34:45
religious taboo comes in. So I say that right in their
34:48
response and that's going to be the condiment that gets put up
34:52
here. Is that so you don't think It
34:57
was a matter of orthopraxy when beads Source was chased away at
35:03
out of a bloat. Why should we not mind the
35:06
taboos of the arch heathens? If they, where, I guess he meant
35:11
to say if they were the last ones to have Divine contact, I
35:16
hire an Arab muffiny. And are puffy.
35:22
Is that right? That word.
35:27
What is the exact inspiration of the item looks Sami?
35:31
Which is a different mystical and ritual tradition.
35:34
One, that only overlapped with the arch heathens practice and
35:38
amount, small amounts and in minority of places.
35:43
So, let me back up, right? Talking about beads Source being
35:49
chased away at Alpha book. I want to call attention to the
35:51
fact that at the time of my response to this, if you guys
35:53
are going to go back and read the comments, Time of my
35:56
response to this. The comments said.
35:59
When bead was chased away at awful, blow, you'll notice that
36:02
there are edits being made to this.
36:05
It says edited somewhere, which means the author made some
36:10
changes, that's fine. Sometimes you miss speak,
36:12
sometimes you say things sometimes you got to change what
36:14
you're going to say, I get that and it's okay.
36:18
So I'm thinking that at this point in time, what they were
36:20
trying to say was that there was a there was the source that bead
36:24
was using to talk about Alpha bloat.
36:28
And again I'm not I'm not the best person to talk to about
36:31
what bead says the venerable bead.
36:34
I know that that's a considered to be either a primary or
36:38
secondary source for a lot of Mainland Germanic Heathen, re
36:44
Saxon Heathen re But it's, you know, there's Christian bias,
36:49
there has to be Christian bias because he was a freaking, I
36:52
don't know bishop or something. Right.
36:57
So, anyway, there there's there's talk of beads Source
37:00
being chased away at Alpha bloat to which I had said that I'm not
37:06
familiar with nobody being chased away at Alpha, boat Alpha
37:09
blow. But I don't argue the fact that
37:11
it happened because Alpha boat was clearly only a family
37:15
affair. Held by the swedes.
37:20
I believe the swedes held it privately.
37:23
Maybe it was the Norwegians somebody in Scandinavia was the
37:27
Scandinavians that at the time Alpha bloat which was a winter
37:33
night, sort of thing. Was it was a blow to the out
37:39
far. Now some might say it was a blow
37:42
to the elves. Other might say that it is, it
37:44
is ancestral Alpha being the male ancestors.
37:49
But either way, it was a private Affair.
37:52
And so anybody came coming by Happening by by mistake or
37:57
Uninvited was quickly dealt with and said, you know, you're not
38:02
allowed to be here. To that point, my tribes winter
38:07
nights. Celebration is tribe only.
38:10
So, for some of our Affairs, when we have, like, you know,
38:14
you'll or Seeger blow, write it. The way that we do it is, is we
38:18
invite others that are friends to the tribe that our allies
38:21
that are, you know, welcome in our home and welcome to this
38:24
place. Winter nights is strictly cut
38:28
off. Its tribe only So in that way,
38:32
we we hold some of those Traditions, okay?
38:36
But it makes good sense why they wouldn't want Outsiders and I
38:40
allude to that when it comes to taboos.
38:44
And again, I'm guilty of this because I thought of taboos just
38:47
being so shy said, taboos change over time just because Archie,
38:50
there's believe certain things were taboo at the time.
38:53
It's not good enough reason for me.
38:57
To think they're still taboo now saying that they were the last
39:02
ones to have the vine. Contact is also not accurate to
39:04
me. This is going back to this
39:07
person's saying that. Why should we not mind the
39:11
taboos of The Artisans? If they were the last ones to
39:13
have Divine contact? So to that again, I say that
39:22
they were the last ones, it doesn't seem accurate to me
39:24
because how can we honestly believe that the sacred have not
39:27
interacted with the profane / mundane since the Viking age
39:31
earlier? I've had my own experiences
39:34
which I clearly defined saying that they are you PJ and I know
39:37
that that confirmed to me the presence of the Divine.
39:39
In my Hearth cult, my in a cult in her individual, cultic
39:44
practices and larger scale rituals, which have included
39:48
people out Out of my own tribe, I have felt the presence of the
39:51
Divine. I have I have, you know, and
39:53
what is, what is, historically accurate Source material anyway,
39:57
other than what has just, you know, proven through the test of
40:02
time that, you know, somebody saw something and felt something
40:05
at one point time. It was there UPG and it just
40:07
happens to be, you know, it was a thousand or more years ago and
40:10
so it turns into material because somebody wrote it down
40:13
and we dug it up somewhere. We're at found in the library
40:15
and then all of a sudden, its historical fact, you know, it
40:19
could Probably go around and around with conversations like
40:22
that, which I love, but the fact of the matter is that, you know,
40:26
what I experienced, I could write it down and then in 100
40:29
200, 300 500 thousand years from now.
40:32
People could dig that shit up and be like, you know, back in
40:36
2020. You know, back in the back of
40:38
the 21st century, man, these people were something else
40:41
because they believe this that thing in the other, because look
40:43
at what we found written down on this piece of paper that we dug
40:45
up. And I said no one, no matter how
40:49
much of a Recon that they are. Can convince me otherwise, Never
40:54
Say Never, but I haven't met one yet as for the nature and
40:57
inspiration of the eye of because he's asking, are they
40:59
are asking the nature inspiration inspiration?
41:02
The item I said, it lies heavily in my Hearth cult practices
41:05
which leans in the realm of animism.
41:12
Something that has existed in cultures around the world, not
41:14
just saw me or others. Or other indigenous Pi Pi
41:18
proto-indo-european Pi e people's style of the item.
41:22
May reflect similarities to the saw me but have no intention on
41:26
doing. So, it wasn't the intent for me
41:28
to copy. Sami Aesthetics. so look the And
41:41
this is kind of where I can I get to the mi in Norse Pagan,
41:44
right? So you've got this umbrella term
41:48
paganism. That's just you know anybody
41:50
that's you know a polytheist or ain't like, you've got so many
41:53
different branches of paganism Celtic.
41:57
Paganism Germanic paganism, African paganism, Asian
42:01
paganism, Shinto. I mean, you got so many
42:03
different things, right? I mean it's the umbrella term.
42:07
Now Norse paganism, could be an umbrella Under the Umbrella,
42:10
because you could be talking about Scandinavian Icelandic,
42:13
even re you could be talking about Mainland Germanic Saxon
42:17
Heathen re you could be talking about, you know, A variety of.
42:24
Flavors that get lumped into this just numerous paganism,
42:29
right? So it's like it's a really it
42:33
the label thing really gets the waters get murky when you start
42:38
just generalizing things. So am I in Norse Pagan.
42:42
That's probably the easiest answer that I could give to
42:44
somebody in terms of what do you believe in what your what Your
42:47
religious practice? It's Norse paganism.
42:49
But it's so much more than that because the what I said is, How
42:53
Deeply rooted in animism? My practice is have evolved into
42:57
is evident in much of what I share publicly in terms of my
43:03
thoughts, or where I go or where I find my peace at is, in
43:07
nature, right? Talk about my Riverwalk.
43:10
So I talk about my own philia, the heroin I've shared, you
43:14
know, I'm gonna this thing thats hanging up which you really
43:18
can't see a whole lot of it. But it's literally a feather
43:22
necklace with, with rib bones that my wife made.
43:25
I mean, that's atomistic is as hell, man.
43:28
You know, again, what is that? What is Is it my personal
43:32
practices isn't anything historically based in here?
43:34
He won't know man, if you want to go back and you want to, you
43:37
know, blame the the the shaman of baden-württemberg on the
43:41
reason why we all wear bones and stuff.
43:43
Now is dramatic pagans as Norris heathens as whatever the label,
43:47
we want to put onto it. Well, I guess you could say that
43:50
there's your, you know, historical source that they were
43:55
used or that they had Implement, you know that they were
43:58
implemented in spiritual religious practices.
44:01
But at the end of the day, man, like it's hard to put a label to
44:05
this stuff and I think that's one of the reasons why so many
44:08
people just you know, want to get away from labels.
44:13
They want to get away from putting a sticker on it, putting
44:17
a stamp on it you know, So some more of the comments, right?
44:27
You're going to see some of this posted up here on the screen
44:29
now. Sorry for multi post and deletes
44:31
because Facebook is other La is it appropriate for morals to
44:35
break taboos that are of divine inspiration?
44:38
In my opinion? So I didn't I didn't answer this
44:42
question in the chat or in the sorry in the in the thread, the
44:47
comment thread because again, there's just so much here to
44:49
digest and I feel like this is easier for me.
44:51
No, I don't think it's appropriate for for us that
44:57
exists in the profane space too. Just arbitrarily decide that
45:04
things that were of a unacceptable nature religiously
45:09
that applied then don't apply. Now II, don't think those sorts
45:13
of things change. What I was mainly referring to
45:15
where the taboos of a social nature, right?
45:18
Because again, societies change, cultures evolve and social
45:24
taboos from 1000 1500 years ago. Largely have no place here now.
45:33
So now I don't think that it's wise or well-to-do to just
45:39
arbitrarily decide that religious taboos, spiritual
45:43
taboos, things that didn't work back then when dealing with the
45:47
sacred, when dealing with the Divine, don't carry over into
45:50
now because again, it goes back to the whole judeo, religions
45:57
Muslims. Islam Christianity when it says
46:01
in their sacred texts to not do XYZ then, it doesn't matter.
46:04
That it was written. However, many thousands of years
46:07
ago they believe it to be true and valid and stuff.
46:10
Now So to take that into consideration to look at the
46:16
bigger picture of things. No, I don't think that it's
46:19
appropriate to break taboos of that nature of divine or sacred
46:26
context to which they say, don't forget when Serious penalties
46:34
not just of a social nature but a Divine one for breaking
46:37
taboos. Yeah.
46:37
Look I'm not I'm not going to touch on the social taboos
46:40
because social taboos 1500-2000 whatever years ago.
46:44
You know. We're not going to Stone
46:46
adulterers, we're not going to we're not going to burn witches.
46:48
We're not going to, you know, put a Scarlet Letter on on like
46:52
those those things that were taboo back then, and the way
46:54
that we respond to it now, I mean Times have changed, right?
47:00
Things are just generally unacceptable to most societies
47:05
there is, there are certain social taboos that even back
47:08
then, don't they know that they didn't age well, you know what I
47:13
mean? Like, you know, it was shit
47:15
back, then it's shit now. So, but, He says, he recalls a
47:21
priest of freyr of fray that it was in the Lord, who was denied
47:26
luck by the gods. Because he allowed his son, who
47:30
was Outlaw into one of phrase. Groves underarms, meaning he was
47:37
wearing weapons and stuff. And that that time that was you
47:40
don't enter Sacred Space. With with weapons with iron with
47:46
that sort of thing. and we see that reflected now in a lot of
47:50
pagan practices right now, I know a lot of people who, when
47:53
they, when they make Sacred Space, when they create Sacred
47:55
Space, Anything of an artificial or metal even nature, right?
48:02
No weapons, no blades. No iron and this is not
48:05
Electronics. Technology is kept with out of
48:08
that space and I agree with a lot of that.
48:12
That's I think there's a place for that.
48:18
This is an example of an of a taboo that exist for a reason.
48:21
Sure. Clearly ordained by the gods
48:22
themselves. Should that change within the
48:24
times. Again, I go back to the whole
48:28
thing that if it, you know, if we look back and we see that
48:32
there were Clear barriers defined with how and when how
48:38
the gods were interacted with conditions in which the gods
48:41
were interacted upon. I don't think we should just
48:47
arbitrarily. I want to key in on that
48:48
arbitrarily decide that it's Not a good idea, right?
48:53
Because what happens tomorrow or ten years from now when you dig
48:55
up, something that suggests otherwise we're basing, all of
48:59
this stuff off of the information that we have at
49:02
hand. And as long as we recognize
49:03
that, as long as we accept that, I think we're all in a position
49:07
of being able to grow and with that information as we get it.
49:13
Taboos are an important part of religiosity.
49:17
Religious taboos. Sure because again they say
49:20
would a Muslim or Jewish man be free of any criticism from the
49:22
fellow from their fellows for eating pork when he doesn't have
49:28
to. Again there's the vine law that
49:30
says otherwise these animals are unclean lot of that.
49:33
I mean I grew up Christian for several decades couple of
49:36
decades 20, some odd years of my life.
49:39
I, you know, followed a more Christian path and I lived that
49:43
very devoutly, especially in my youth And in my childhood where
49:48
you know we didn't we didn't eat certain vegetables and we didn't
49:51
need certain routes. We didn't eat certain things
49:52
because of the interpretation. We got from the Bible, right?
50:01
I mean we didn't eat potatoes. We didn't eat tomatoes.
50:04
They need onions. you know, that's a whole other
50:08
conversation for another time but, you know, you want to get
50:10
into taboos and religiosity You know, it was at a point of time
50:17
where it was like, well, this isn't about, it's not just about
50:20
right and wrong, it's about perfection.
50:21
Its about fine-tuning ourselves to getting better in touch with
50:27
the Divine God, whatever. So I know I think you know
50:33
there's there is there is definite place for that.
50:37
I had mentioned UPG person says, he has exactly that UPG as far
50:41
as facts are concerned there. Is a huge gap in context with
50:48
our higher Divine Ergo, the arch Ethan's from a theological
50:50
perspective, are indeed the last hold.
50:55
They are popping. But are they though, is it?
50:58
Because is it only? Because that's all we have is
51:00
that is documented Source material that suggests or that
51:06
that supports that Was not their interactions with the Divine at
51:15
the time. Their UPG for them that that
51:18
that term didn't exist back then.
51:19
But was it not UPG at the time? I can test and I would say that
51:25
it was because when it comes to things that we can't see that we
51:29
can't tangibly like hey John, come over here.
51:33
You see what I see? Right?
51:35
It's this piece of paper that says a lot.
51:37
Yeah, I see that. Okay, good, we agree.
51:40
All right. Well, if it ain't that and it's
51:42
just guys, I, you know, I just saw this thing.
51:45
I just experienced this thing. This is where I think things are
51:47
at. And then everybody else was
51:48
like, wow, that's profound, I want to experience that, right?
51:51
And then next thing, you know, all these oral tradition Become.
51:55
Traditions exactly that. It could be they become exactly
51:58
that. It's now what this guy did or
52:00
what those people did, let's all of us do it.
52:02
Let's find a way for it to fit into our, you know, Praxis of
52:07
orthopraxy or whatever and then, and it becomes historical
52:13
material, it becomes Source material becomes the thing that
52:16
we're sitting here, you know, 1,500 2,000 years later or more
52:20
saying that, that's how it should be done now.
52:22
Because some guy women who ever People in an ancient society
52:27
that are long Dead and Gone experience and and they made it.
52:31
So so, That's that's my stance on it.
52:45
So his let me ask you, would you want the, would you want to
52:49
interact with a being that regularly disregards your taboos
52:55
while claiming to live in a way that's in line with your culture
52:58
and through Through is law through his specifically log as
53:07
defined in in within Heathen context, right?
53:13
Somebody out here, prove me wrong right through his tribal
53:19
Tribal Law. Quite often times lines up with
53:22
an over arching law but you got to look at the context of this.
53:26
This this thing through was law at the time in the way that the
53:31
world was built and the way the society was functioning at the
53:35
time. So my tribes through, or my
53:39
tribes customs and traditions aren't necessarily going to be
53:42
the same as the next tribes Customs or Traditions.
53:45
They may be there may be similarities there, maybe.
53:48
You know, overarching themes and you know, enough stuff to
53:53
suggest that there's a closeness to it.
53:54
But you know, the way that that certain things were done in one
53:58
region, were not the way, the same.
54:00
We're not the same way things were done in another region.
54:03
So to kind of lump it all into the same description.
54:08
I don't know if that's what was intended, but that's what I'm
54:10
understanding. Is like, all the gods, no matter
54:14
where you are, right, the gods of Saxony, We are not the same
54:19
gods of Scandinavia. Well, are they are, they were
54:23
just named different things and were those Traditions, not
54:25
picked up from that region and then they are localized stuff,
54:32
became a part of the the practices.
54:34
And so therefore, that through became unique to those people,
54:40
you can't. I don't think that we can deduce
54:43
that You know, like it be like, let's just say, I don't know.
54:51
I'm from New York, right? I'm from New York and I live in
54:54
Tennessee. Well, the way that we do things
54:56
in New York is, you know, a certain way.
55:00
Our social skills are social construct is different in the
55:03
part of New York where I'm from. I came to Tennessee.
55:06
And I remember first time walking into a Walmart and get
55:08
people talking to me that I've never met in my life.
55:10
And I go, who the hell are you? Why are you talking to me,
55:12
right? Social, you know, differences,
55:16
you know, just because I'm in a different.
55:18
Different place, and I'm at a different time.
55:20
In my life doesn't make it wrong.
55:21
It's just that's foreign to me. Doesn't but I learned, From
55:27
living in this area and from being in the state and from
55:30
being in this region that. Well, that's just normal, that's
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their social construct. That's the way these people do
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things. And so now that I'm here and
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they're spaced, it's, you know, again I'm not trying to I'm not
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trying to compare the the dealings of the profane humans
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with the dealings of the Gods II.
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Get it. There's a big difference there.
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But, you know, when the comments made is, you know, would I want
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to interact with a being? That is regularly disrespectful
56:00
of my taboos. Why do I have those taboos?
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Again your it's apples and oranges, man.
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Like I'm I'm just a just a guy. I'm just a human being.
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I'm not, I'm not. In the mindset.
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I don't, I don't think the way the Divine think, I don't think
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the way the sacred thing none of us do.
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All right. Putting that out there.
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We're all humans. We're all living in profane
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space and time. I have actually had experiences
56:32
myself that I will put on the table as being 100% UPG but I
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have heard the voice of Odin. I have seen the faces of the
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gods that is UPG. Anybody wants to cut and clip
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whatever that's UPG for me. I have seen what I've seen.
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I've heard what I've heard. None of this really matters.
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It did the taboos to me, religious taboos again, I get
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it. I understand that the importance
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of the context that that that exists there, you know, don't do
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certain things because it makes the gods man.
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Well, Or makes the Divine mad or it upsets the Divine.
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We're going to lose our luck. If we do XYZ Yeah, that was that
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was that was the way that they view the world.
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Then in that region you told you talking about a priest of fray
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for are very very big time with the sweets, right?
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They weren't they weren't big until like, I mean, here I go
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again, trying to prove, not prove a point but to make a
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point that, you know, the England is Saga, you know, your
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names like Odin and balder and and and, and so on and so forth.
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But like this, we know that the swedes were big with Freire.
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Like Fray, your dad, like they had a big, you know, you want to
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call the Vanier tribes of the Gods, like they were very
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important to the swedes. So it makes sense that if you
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know you had a priest, a Goethe, whatever of rare that that
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messed up and had a son that did something that was against the
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taboo at the time was Outlaw and then you just let allow this
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this person to walk into a Grove dedicated to your deity
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underarms you damn, right. The people be like well now we
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know all of our Cheerios just got pissed in Thanks, dude.
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You just ruined it for all of us.
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Now we got to, you know, kill x amount of sheep.
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Now, we gotta burn x amount of green boughs of grain or we got
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to do all these things to appeal to our higher power ores Powers,
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whatever. And you know make it right set
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the balance back into order. So I don't know, man.
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I, you know, if the the question is, you know, would you would
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you want to interact with the being that regularly disregards,
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your taboos? As a human.
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I invite people over to my home, to interact with me and and
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under the Under the sovereignty of my Hearth.
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It is expected that they abide by these rules.
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And so, to that degree, I think that the people of the time
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understood that, that was expected of people.
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And so they probably extended that same belief into into the
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into the realm of the Divine as well.
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What? Contact?
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Let's see here, our team happens on the gods terms.
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Sorry. Furthermore you seem to okay,
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let me back up. I'm rambling on.
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Literally in two parts of the conversation that I haven't
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touched upon yet. would you abstain from such an offensive
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person is being that regularly disregards your taboos while
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claiming to live in a way that's in line with your culture, or
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would you abstain from such an offensive person?
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I would try to figure out why they thought that way.
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Hey, why do you feel that way? What can I learn from you?
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Is it, is it a cultural thing? Is it, is it something that
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because, look guys, man, I was raised, I was raised to believe
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that that certain things were taboo.
1:00:24
Piercings tattoos, right taboo? You don't do it.
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Why? Because the Bible Oh says, you
1:00:31
don't Mark your bodies or with this that thing in the other?
1:00:34
Well, I threw that shit out the window, you know.
1:00:36
Of course, when I banned in Christianity, but then I
1:00:38
realized, it doesn't even make sense because look at the look
1:00:41
at some of the things that existed at the time cultures
1:00:44
that, that, that have, you know, a place in that.
1:00:50
Practice, right? They have where your skin is
1:00:53
marked and you have piercings and things.
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And that be that that's part of their social Norm, it's not
1:00:58
taboo for them. Well, it was taboo because of,
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you know, whatever priest or whatever, you know, person
1:01:05
connected to the Divine says it was, but, does it really matter?
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I don't I don't have that answer.
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I'm not I don't live in the city, the head space, or the, or
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the time and space of the Divine.
1:01:19
All right, so furthermore, you seem to believe he says, or they
1:01:21
say that you furthermore seem to believe in the difference in
1:01:25
profane space and Sacred Space. As The Artisans did.
1:01:29
I do with that conclusion, not inform you, that they are puffy
1:01:36
happens on the gods terms We're contact automatic and constant
1:01:43
by virtue of merely being human. I don't think there would be a
1:01:48
distinction between holy and profane space.
1:01:51
Like we saw it in the Ancients. Do I disagree?
1:01:57
I'm trying to understand the context of the question here,
1:02:00
but I do believe that we exist in profane space, the God's
1:02:06
existence Sacred Space. There are times when we can kind
1:02:13
of break through the barrier. Certain people have an easier
1:02:18
time doing it than others. And there are, there are ways to
1:02:21
be able to do that. We're not limited to just
1:02:24
existing and profane space and time we can leave our Heathrow
1:02:30
bodies. We can we can transcend that and
1:02:33
we can become part of at least temporarily the the divine's,
1:02:40
Space and time. He says, I don't think there
1:02:49
would be a distinction between holy and profane space.
1:02:53
Like we saw in the ancient. So I disagree, I guess I
1:02:56
disagree. I mean, I again I think there is
1:02:59
a definite separation. I think when we work our various
1:03:05
rituals, right? We are living.
1:03:07
We are existing in profane space but we are trying to create a
1:03:12
space that is separate from the profane.
1:03:14
We are creating barriers. We are creating a space that
1:03:16
invites the Divine in, right? So those those measures those
1:03:20
methods whether historically drawn from her, not are our
1:03:26
attempts at connecting to the sacred.
1:03:33
I think this comment. About UPG.
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It says, upz isn't up for discussion.
1:03:40
As it means nothing to the Grandeur themes of the religion
1:03:43
that we all are reconstructing. How does it not?
1:03:47
How does UPG not play a factor here?
1:03:49
As long as we're defining it as such, right?
1:03:52
It's all speculative. All right, there's nobody that
1:03:55
we can sit in front of and talk to, right now, that knows how it
1:03:58
was done. 1,200 1,500 2,000 years ago.
1:04:00
There isn't where reconstructing Things based off of
1:04:03
archaeological and scientific evidence.
1:04:09
Sources materials things that we people have Unearthed.
1:04:15
To come up with educated. Reasonings as to why, or how or
1:04:21
what, you know, UPG should be up for discussion because there has
1:04:26
to be. I mean, it has to be I, again, I
1:04:29
mentioned earlier, I haven't found anybody no matter how
1:04:32
court of a reconstruction reconstructions.
1:04:34
They are that can convince me. Otherwise, how can you be Gene
1:04:38
not be up for discussion? How can we not talk about these
1:04:42
things? Because I'm not trying to, I'm
1:04:45
not trying to erase all of the historical stuff.
1:04:49
I'm trying to bring to light things that were happening at
1:04:51
the time that were likely. Just someone or someone's like,
1:04:56
multiple people's UPG that that just somehow happened to, to
1:05:01
make it into the record books, you know, they they made it and
1:05:06
what how much of what we're doing right now is going to
1:05:09
become the same thing. In however many years down the
1:05:14
road. There's there's a lot to all of
1:05:21
this and guys and I've been rambling now myself for over an
1:05:24
hour and I didn't realize that it was going to go this deep or
1:05:28
go this far. So there may be a part two to
1:05:29
this if you guys want to hear more and you guys want to Talk
1:05:34
more about this, you know, I think that it would be best to
1:05:37
just break it off right now, but let me know in the comments,
1:05:42
right? Because again there's so much of
1:05:44
what I do is circulated around what you guys share and what you
1:05:48
guys talked about whether you know it or not your thoughts and
1:05:51
your comments mean a lot to me. And and it is the fodder.
1:05:55
It is the fire. It is the fuel.
1:05:58
I don't mean fodder and like a disrespectful way but it is the
1:06:01
fuel for a lot of these. So it's so part 2 you decide?
1:06:09
Let me know down in the comments what you thought of this podcast
1:06:12
and if you would like to hear the rest of it all because there
1:06:15
is a little bit more content that I could go through about
1:06:20
all this. I appreciate all of you
1:06:21
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1:06:34
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Again May the gods continue to notice you and may your
1:06:42
ancestors smile upon you. Thank you.