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Are Classic Metal Bands Becoming Nothing More Than Brand Names? · Classic Metal Show

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SPEAKER_01: So anyway, we're into the second segment of the Mighty Classic Metal Show.
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SPEAKER_02: That's right.
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SPEAKER_02: I got to ask you this, dude, before we get into music or whatever.
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SPEAKER_02: Not for everything, but just kind of in general.
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SPEAKER_02: This is more of a general question because I know the obvious is yes to some things,
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SPEAKER_02: but I'm not talking about,
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SPEAKER_02: well, let me just ask the question and you'll figure it out.
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SPEAKER_02: I bought something this week without really looking at who made it.
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SPEAKER_02: I'll show it in a minute.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Outside of the very,
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SPEAKER_02: very obvious stuff,
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SPEAKER_02: for the most part,
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SPEAKER_02: when you buy something, do you always look at the At the manufacturer?
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SPEAKER_02: Or do you buy stuff a lot of the times?
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SPEAKER_02: Just, I need a, you know, I don't know, I don't know, I need a shirt.
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SPEAKER_02: Or I need a pair of shoes.
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SPEAKER_02: Or I need a, you know, a kitchen knife.
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SPEAKER_02: Do you go out of your way to look for a brand name?
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SPEAKER_02: Or are you comfortable with, well,
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SPEAKER_02: I need a set of kitchen knives,
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SPEAKER_02: I'll just grab whatever, because it really doesn't matter.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't, for brand name stuff, I'm not, I'm not a brand name snob kind of guy.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not really,
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SPEAKER_01: really into that because there's,
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SPEAKER_01: with the marketplace being what it is via like Amazon or something like that,
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SPEAKER_01: you can get stuff that you never even knew existed from other manufacturers.
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SPEAKER_01: And typically if I'm buying something that,
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SPEAKER_01: that, I don't have a, what do you want to call, a reputation record to rely on.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, say, let's just go with, say, hand tools.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: There's guys out there who they won't buy anything but Snap-on.
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SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
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SPEAKER_01: Or they buy Cornwell,
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SPEAKER_01: or they buy,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: obviously back in the day,
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SPEAKER_01: I don't even know if they're in existence anymore, Craftsman.
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SPEAKER_01: Remember Craftsman used to be the tool.
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SPEAKER_02: I think they still make toolboxes.
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SPEAKER_02: I still see a shitload of those red Craftsman toolboxes around.
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SPEAKER_01: I think Ace Hardware now carries the Craftsman brand since Sears is no longer.
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SPEAKER_01: But anyway,
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SPEAKER_01: regardless of that,
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SPEAKER_01: Something like that, I would probably be a little more picky on names.
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SPEAKER_02: You wouldn't just go into the hardware store.
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SPEAKER_02: If there was a Craftsman set of ratchets for $25,
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know what they even cost,
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SPEAKER_02: but then there was a generic brand or whatever brand,
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SPEAKER_02: something in Japanese brand for $9.
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SPEAKER_02: Same exact ratchet, same measurements, same everything.
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SPEAKER_02: Would you buy the $25 ones because it's Craftsman?
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SPEAKER_02: Or would you buy the $9 because, look, I just got to fucking get a bolt off of a widget.
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SPEAKER_01: Well,
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SPEAKER_01: if I wasn't concerned about longevity or anything and I needed something in a pinch,
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SPEAKER_01: maybe I would go with the cheaper one just if it was in a pinch.
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SPEAKER_01: But if I knew that it was just going to be a part of my set, I would buy the more expensive one.
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SPEAKER_01: But now something I have no...
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SPEAKER_01: No, you know, what do you want to history with as far as like you've mentioned kitchen knives.
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SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't know what a good set of kitchen knives are.
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SPEAKER_01: So if I were going to go buy them, then I would start reading reviews.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, so you would research first?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would research.
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SPEAKER_01: And I do that for various things, depending on what it is.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, even supplements or stuff like that, I read reviews.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, because, you know, recently I had somebody...
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SPEAKER_01: Go look at my supplements, somebody in the medical field.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: And went through and said, all of these are very good stuff.
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SPEAKER_01: Every one of these are highly approved good stuff.
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SPEAKER_01: You did really well in choosing these correct things.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: And my answer was because I researched each and every one of them.
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SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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SPEAKER_02: But the answer is kind of it varies from product to product.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it depends on what it is.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, if it's a throwaway thing and I don't expect, what do you want to call quality?
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SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm not looking for quality.
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SPEAKER_01: I just need something to fill the void.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I may not be picky,
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SPEAKER_01: but if it's something that,
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SPEAKER_01: you know, I need and I want it to last and it's going to be...
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SPEAKER_01: You know, a useful item to me for a long term thing, then I might do some research.
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SPEAKER_02: OK, let me put a specific thing in your in your eyes
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SPEAKER_02: and you tell me what you would have bought because I bought one this week.
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SPEAKER_02: I had to buy a hair clipper, you know, one of those, you know, hair shave things.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: Not because I'm cutting my hair,
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SPEAKER_02: but because I use it for the beard because the beard gets very long.
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SPEAKER_01: And I have that.
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SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: When you bought it, did you buy purposely the name brand thing?
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: Why?
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SPEAKER_01: Because they have a great reputation and I've had them for years.
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SPEAKER_02: So what did you buy, Braun or something?
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SPEAKER_01: Wall.
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SPEAKER_02: Wall.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Fair enough.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm opposite of you on this.
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SPEAKER_02: And boy,
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know that I'm paying for it because I haven't even opened this out of
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SPEAKER_02: the box yet, but I just didn't even look at it.
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SPEAKER_02: I just was like, I literally was looking and I was like, you know what?
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SPEAKER_02: This is something I really don't give a shit about.
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SPEAKER_02: It's something that I'm going to go and be done with, you know?
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: And so I really didn't say, well, I need to get a Wall or Braun or whatever the brand is.
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SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
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SPEAKER_02: So I ordered one.
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SPEAKER_02: I went online.
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SPEAKER_02: There was one.
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SPEAKER_02: It had 4.97 review or whatever.
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SPEAKER_02: That's all I needed to see.
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SPEAKER_02: So I ordered this stupid thing, right?
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SPEAKER_02: So I get it.
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SPEAKER_02: My kid brings it to me.
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SPEAKER_02: He goes, what the fuck did you buy?
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SPEAKER_02: And I was like, what do you mean?
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SPEAKER_02: What did I buy?
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SPEAKER_02: And I'm going to show you.
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SPEAKER_02: Here is my professional hair.
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SPEAKER_02: Let me put myself on full screen here for a minute.
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SPEAKER_02: If I can find the thing so people can see this.
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SPEAKER_02: Where is my, there's me.
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SPEAKER_02: So I bought this, the professional hair clipper.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: And now if you can see the top part, it is a nut core, a nut core hair trimmer.
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SPEAKER_01: That's the name of the brand.
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SPEAKER_02: That's the brand name.
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SPEAKER_02: Nut core.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: My kid was like, what the fuck is that?
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SPEAKER_02: He thought I was buying something to shave my nuts or something.
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SPEAKER_02: But honestly, I just didn't look.
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SPEAKER_02: I just looked,
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SPEAKER_02: and it was,
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SPEAKER_02: here's the thing,
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SPEAKER_02: and it was like $14 instead of $39 or something,
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SPEAKER_02: and it was highly rated, so I bought it.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: And I don't necessarily regret it.
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SPEAKER_02: Like I said, I haven't even opened the box yet.
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SPEAKER_02: Obviously, the beard is still here.
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SPEAKER_02: So, you know, I haven't even opened it yet, but it's just funny.
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SPEAKER_02: You don't realize what you're buying sometimes.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like with the in-ears that you have.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: Are those name brand or are those just something you found?
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SPEAKER_01: No, it's just something I researched.
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SPEAKER_02: See, you even did the research.
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SPEAKER_02: The ones that I have now are a Lakato.
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SPEAKER_02: Lakato.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: In-ears or whatever.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: And I've never heard of Lakato.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know if it's good or bad.
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SPEAKER_02: It does work.
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SPEAKER_01: I didn't know anything about the brand I bought,
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SPEAKER_01: but I saw the rating about the, about how many, what do you mean, the, the.
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SPEAKER_01: The hours or whatever.
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SPEAKER_01: No, the, the, the quality of the audio that it, that it produces.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: That it's got X highs and X lows and it's got so many coils inside and it's
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SPEAKER_01: a higher density coil and blah, blah, blah.
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SPEAKER_01: And obviously I've looked at the price and looked at the reviews and I'm very happy
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SPEAKER_01: with the set that I have.
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SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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SPEAKER_02: I love that set that you sent me.
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SPEAKER_02: It was great.
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SPEAKER_01: It sounds great.
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SPEAKER_01: And I bought you the same one.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And I just wore it out.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's really what it came to was.
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SPEAKER_02: And honestly,
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SPEAKER_02: that was the biggest sell for me with the Locato was that it comes
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SPEAKER_02: with this little box.
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SPEAKER_02: There's a little box.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: And it comes with two receivers and one transmitter so that like
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SPEAKER_02: when I'm doing this show,
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SPEAKER_02: I can use this one for half and then I switch to the other one for the other half
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SPEAKER_02: and then it makes sure I don't put And it had a longer battery life than the one.
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SPEAKER_02: These have a 30-hour battery life.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't really need to switch them.
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SPEAKER_02: I probably am only taking it down 10%.
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SPEAKER_02: But again,
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SPEAKER_02: I use it so much with the interviews and the other shows and this show and all
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SPEAKER_02: the different bullshit that I do that I knew I needed something
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SPEAKER_02: a little more strong.
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SPEAKER_02: And I'll be honest,
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SPEAKER_02: these do not sound nearly as good as the ones that I had previously and
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SPEAKER_02: that you have.
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SPEAKER_02: But I don't really need it.
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SPEAKER_02: It's not like I'm sitting in here listening to music either.
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SPEAKER_02: It's, you know, can I hear you speak?
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, I can.
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SPEAKER_02: So, you know, that's all I'd need.
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SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I'm not normally, like, it's got to be something that's very specific.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, I don't think I would buy a Ginsu dishwasher.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, I think I would look for like a Kenmore or something.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, I don't even know if Kenmore is the brand.
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SPEAKER_02: I'd have to look up who makes dishwashers, like Maytag or something.
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SPEAKER_02: Or a washer dryer.
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SPEAKER_02: I would look up like Maytag before I would buy, you know, horseshit brand.
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SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I got zapped pretty good with the nut core.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, like when I purchased flat screen TVs for the house.
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SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm a big fan of LG.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm an LG guy.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love the LGs.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, so that's all I have is LGs.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: That's all I've ever purchased,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: because I've done comparisons,
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SPEAKER_01: in-store comparisons,
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SPEAKER_01: like I'll go to a Best Buy or something and look at the various quality of picture
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SPEAKER_01: and thing,
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SPEAKER_01: and I've always been sold on the LGs,
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SPEAKER_01: you know, and I've always been happy with them.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, Philips, is it Philips?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So, so they're usually rated pretty high as well, but, but I'm sold on the old G's.
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SPEAKER_02: See, I don't spend a ton with TVs.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't spend a ton of money cause I burn them up.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, I, I, because they're always on in this house, they're always on.
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SPEAKER_02: So it's, you know, I, I go through a TV about every probably four years, three, four years.
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SPEAKER_02: I burned through a TV and And sometimes I get burned.
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SPEAKER_02: Like the one that I just bought six weeks ago or whatever it was, I bought a Vizio.
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SPEAKER_02: And I looked it up and it had pretty good reviews and stuff.
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SPEAKER_02: So I thought, okay, this will be good.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm telling everybody that's listening right now, do not buy a Vizio TV these days.
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SPEAKER_02: Jesus fucking Christ.
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SPEAKER_02: Picture is great.
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SPEAKER_02: Sound is pretty good.
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SPEAKER_02: It's not loud enough for me and I've pushed every setting under the sun trying
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SPEAKER_02: to Elevate the audio a little bit.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm going to have to buy a soundbar because it's just not loud enough for me.
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SPEAKER_02: But the real drag to this thing, and this is fucking bullshit.
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SPEAKER_02: I got a feeling they're all going to be doing this soon.
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SPEAKER_02: So it is a smart TV and I don't use that at all.
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SPEAKER_02: As soon as I turn it on, I'm hitting the input button to go to either my Roku or my other box.
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SPEAKER_02: My other box.
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SPEAKER_02: And even when you do that,
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SPEAKER_02: when you hit the input thing,
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SPEAKER_02: it immediately pops up a full screen ad that you have to exit out of
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SPEAKER_02: before it'll take you to the different input.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's why I don't have my TV connected to the internet.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but in the future, you're going to get that.
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SPEAKER_02: In the future, I'm telling you, it won't let me...
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SPEAKER_02: Like it doesn't save, like I always use HDMI 1 or 2.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, I don't ever use the regular TV version.
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SPEAKER_02: But every time you turn the TV on, you have to switch the input.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I do that.
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SPEAKER_01: You know,
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SPEAKER_01: you can switch the input,
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SPEAKER_01: but you don't have to have your TV connected to the internet.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I wonder what it would do if you don't.
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SPEAKER_01: I purposely don't connect my TV to the internet because of all the spyware on it.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't care if my TV sees me jacking my dick.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not talking about that.
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SPEAKER_01: For the purposes exactly of what you're talking about,
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SPEAKER_01: people tell me all the time,
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SPEAKER_01: people who still use Facebook app and they have these apps.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I was just talking about that today and here's an ad for it.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it does happen all the time.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, it's listening to you.
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SPEAKER_02: It does happen all the time.
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SPEAKER_01: So same way with your TV when it's connected to the internet,
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SPEAKER_01: which is why I purposely don't connect the television itself to the internet.
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SPEAKER_01: It's the Roku is connected to the internet, obviously, but not the television.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I got a feeling the Roku is going to be like that pretty soon, too.
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SPEAKER_01: But regardless, I purposely did not allow the television to connect to the Internet.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: That makes sense.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: So you stream everything through the Roku, though.
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SPEAKER_01: Correct.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: That makes sense.
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SPEAKER_02: All right.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, that was I just wanted to share my my nut core
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SPEAKER_01: experience.
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SPEAKER_02: I just couldn't believe it.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, again, it's all subjective.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, here's something that's kind of silly or stupid,
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SPEAKER_01: you know, because I just like to read the reviews and see what's up.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, I bought a,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: one of those little, one of those little wisp type things that mixes drinks.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, sure.
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SPEAKER_01: Like I have a drink brick house nutrition in the morning,
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SPEAKER_01: which is, Which is fruit and vegetable powder and it mixes.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I needed one of those little cordless.
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SPEAKER_02: Stir things.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And it just, you know, zips it up.
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SPEAKER_01: And of course I went through and read review on it half a dozen or more before I picked one.
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SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
18:01
SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
18:01
SPEAKER_01: Just that simple.
18:02
SPEAKER_01: Over a stir thing.
18:03
SPEAKER_02: See, I would have just bought the first one that popped up.
18:06
SPEAKER_01: See, that's the thing.
18:07
SPEAKER_01: I looked at it and they go,
18:09
SPEAKER_01: the battery on this is the recharge and it lasts X amount of hours and it comes
18:15
SPEAKER_01: with two or three different connectors to it.
18:20
SPEAKER_01: What do you want to call them?
18:22
SPEAKER_02: It doesn't sit on a charger.
18:26
SPEAKER_01: No, you charge it and then it doesn't sit on a charger.
18:29
SPEAKER_01: You just charge it and it's good for forever.
18:33
SPEAKER_01: It's like your remote for your Roku.
18:37
SPEAKER_01: I know you use your phone,
18:39
SPEAKER_01: but if you have a rechargeable Roku remote,
18:42
SPEAKER_01: you could use that for six months before you have to charge it again.
18:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sure.
18:47
SPEAKER_02: I use my remote sometimes because, I'll be honest, I'm getting super lazy.
18:54
SPEAKER_02: And more and more, it's like, I do not want to be doing that L-A-Z.
19:00
SPEAKER_02: You know, I don't want to.
19:04
SPEAKER_02: So a lot of times now, I just use the regular remote because it has the talk to it.
19:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:08
SPEAKER_01: It does talk.
19:10
SPEAKER_01: I'm just like, Nightmare on Elm Street.
19:12
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
19:14
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
19:16
SPEAKER_02: Chris, that's how you end up with a house full of broken junk.
19:19
SPEAKER_02: True.
19:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
19:21
SPEAKER_02: It's very true.
19:22
SPEAKER_02: And I do have a lot of shit that I should throw away.
19:26
SPEAKER_02: Why do we do that?
19:27
SPEAKER_02: And maybe I don't think you do it, but I think most people do that.
19:31
SPEAKER_02: When something goes bad, we somehow have some delusion that we're going to fix it.
19:40
SPEAKER_02: And we throw it in a closet.
19:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
19:42
SPEAKER_02: And then after like five years, you go in that closet.
19:44
SPEAKER_02: It's like, why in the fuck am I holding on to this broken DVD player?
19:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, now not only is it broken, but it's out of date too.
19:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
19:55
SPEAKER_02: Now it probably won't even power up because it hasn't been plugged in in six years.
19:59
SPEAKER_02: And it doesn't work if it does power up.
20:01
SPEAKER_02: You know,
20:02
SPEAKER_02: it's like,
20:02
SPEAKER_02: why don't we just throw that shit right in the garbage the same as you would,
20:06
SPEAKER_02: I don't know, an Apple core or something.
20:10
SPEAKER_02: You know, it doesn't make any sense.
20:12
SPEAKER_02: But we all, I do it.
20:14
SPEAKER_02: Everybody I know does it.
20:15
SPEAKER_02: Everybody I know has some useless piece of shit in their closet that they're never going to fix.
20:23
SPEAKER_02: Everybody except you.
20:25
SPEAKER_02: I know you don't because that ain't you.
20:27
SPEAKER_02: There's no chance you would do.
20:29
SPEAKER_02: I could see you not,
20:31
SPEAKER_02: like if you had an electric toothbrush or something and it stopped working,
20:35
SPEAKER_02: that motherfucker would be in the trash that minute.
20:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just get another one.
20:40
SPEAKER_02: And you'd probably jump in your car and go get it that minute.
20:44
SPEAKER_01: No, I'd just get on the old interwebs and order it for me.
20:48
SPEAKER_02: But it would be that minute.
20:50
SPEAKER_01: Pretty much.
20:51
SPEAKER_01: It would not be.
20:52
SPEAKER_02: Well, you wouldn't throw it away and forget about it.
20:55
SPEAKER_02: And then tomorrow when you go to brush your teeth, you don't have a fucking toothbrush.
20:58
SPEAKER_02: And you'd be like, oh, fuck.
21:00
SPEAKER_02: That would never happen with you.
21:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:04
SPEAKER_02: See, that happens with me all the time with every fucking thing.
21:08
SPEAKER_02: Everything.
21:09
SPEAKER_02: Dude.
21:11
SPEAKER_02: My last TV died.
21:13
SPEAKER_02: I kept it here probably eight days before I finally took it out of here
21:19
SPEAKER_02: with some thought that I was going to take it apart and figure this or that out.
21:26
SPEAKER_01: You're going to figure out how to place it, replace a transistor.
21:29
SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm going to, you know, now with the AI, I'm going to take it apart.
21:32
SPEAKER_02: I'm going to take a picture.
21:33
SPEAKER_02: I'm going to say, what's wrong with it?
21:34
SPEAKER_02: Fix it.
21:35
SPEAKER_02: Tell me what to do.
21:36
SPEAKER_01: Right.
21:36
SPEAKER_02: You know, I had some stupid delusion that that was going to happen.
21:40
SPEAKER_02: And, you know, I just sat there for eight days.
21:41
SPEAKER_01: I could see you sitting there with a soldering iron.
21:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, please.
21:46
SPEAKER_02: That's the whole other thing.
21:47
SPEAKER_02: What am I thinking?
21:48
SPEAKER_02: I don't fix shit.
21:49
SPEAKER_02: I'm the guy that won't go and change his own oil on his car, but I'm going to fix a television?
21:53
SPEAKER_02: What the fuck is wrong with me?
21:56
SPEAKER_01: My old man's a television repairman.
21:58
SPEAKER_01: He's got the ultimate set of tools.
22:02
SPEAKER_01: He can fix it.
22:03
SPEAKER_01: He can fix it.
22:05
SPEAKER_01: He can fix anything.
22:06
SPEAKER_01: He can fix it.
22:07
SPEAKER_01: Who can't fix this car, Spicoli?
22:10
SPEAKER_02: I can fix it.
22:10
SPEAKER_02: I can fix it.
22:13
SPEAKER_02: Such a great movie.
22:16
SPEAKER_02: Such a great movie.
22:20
SPEAKER_02: All right.
22:20
SPEAKER_02: Let's get into some real stuff.
22:22
SPEAKER_02: I thought that was going to be two minutes.
22:24
SPEAKER_02: It was 20.
22:25
SPEAKER_02: So let's get into something for real.
22:27
SPEAKER_01: It's relatable.
22:28
SPEAKER_01: It's relatable stuff.
22:30
SPEAKER_02: If people don't like it, well, you know what?
22:32
SPEAKER_02: Skip that part.
22:33
SPEAKER_01: Right.
22:35
SPEAKER_02: All right, let's talk about some shit.
22:38
SPEAKER_02: Fuck you, Brian.
22:39
SPEAKER_02: First of all, fuck you, Brian, Chris's salvage yard.
22:42
SPEAKER_02: What am I, fucking Sanford and Son here?
22:44
SPEAKER_01: You're Sanford and Chris.
22:47
SPEAKER_02: I got the gray beard like Sanford.
22:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:52
SPEAKER_02: And I do have my son living here.
22:53
SPEAKER_02: It could be Sanford and Son.
22:55
SPEAKER_01: Right.
22:56
SPEAKER_01: That's your Fred Aiken.
22:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
23:00
SPEAKER_02: Get that TV out of here, dummy.
23:05
SPEAKER_02: All right, let's talk some music, shall we?
23:07
SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
23:07
SPEAKER_02: The big story of the week, not a surprise.
23:10
SPEAKER_02: Well, the surprise that this happened, but it's not a surprise it's the big story of the week.
23:14
SPEAKER_01: Well, there's two big stories as far as I'm concerned.
23:17
SPEAKER_02: I think this is the biggie.
23:19
SPEAKER_01: All right.
23:19
SPEAKER_02: To me.
23:20
SPEAKER_02: That would be Ian Hill announcing a pretty sudden retirement from Judas Priest.
23:26
SPEAKER_01: Right.
23:27
SPEAKER_02: That's a big story.
23:28
SPEAKER_01: He just got new hair and now he's retiring.
23:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
23:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
23:33
SPEAKER_02: I'm so happy that I just interviewed him for the last record.
23:36
SPEAKER_02: Right.
23:37
SPEAKER_02: You know, because he's probably never going to do interviews again.
23:41
SPEAKER_02: You know, he's probably done.
23:42
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he may... Do you think he shows up at like a show here and there like Glenn Tipton does?
23:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, maybe.
23:52
SPEAKER_02: For sure, whatever the final show is.
23:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, why not?
23:55
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, he may...
23:57
SPEAKER_01: You know,
23:57
SPEAKER_01: when they swing through England or wherever it is that he lives,
24:00
SPEAKER_01: he may come out on stage and do a couple cameo appearances or something.
24:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, or play a song or something.
24:06
SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
24:07
SPEAKER_02: But I don't know.
24:08
SPEAKER_02: To me, when I saw this thing, I was like, that really is the end of the era.
24:15
SPEAKER_02: It's not Judas Priest anymore.
24:17
SPEAKER_02: It is the Rob Halford Band.
24:21
SPEAKER_02: What do you think?
24:22
SPEAKER_01: That's what it is.
24:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no...
24:25
SPEAKER_02: No original members.
24:28
SPEAKER_02: I know Halford's been there a shit long, shit long time and basically is an original member.
24:34
SPEAKER_02: He's an original recording member, I guess.
24:37
SPEAKER_02: But he's not the original,
24:39
SPEAKER_02: you know, of course, the great Al Atkins, who doesn't let anybody forget that.
24:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:43
SPEAKER_01: And of course, of course, we made a little news with the whole Al Atkins thing.
24:48
SPEAKER_01: I interviewed KK way back.
24:51
SPEAKER_01: What was the 2008 or something like that?
24:53
SPEAKER_01: Mm hmm.
24:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
24:57
SPEAKER_02: And Al got all upset at KK.
24:59
SPEAKER_01: He got all upset calling him Ken.
25:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
25:03
SPEAKER_02: Ken shouldn't.
25:03
SPEAKER_02: He's speaking out of turn.
25:05
SPEAKER_02: Is that what the term was?
25:06
SPEAKER_02: He's speaking out of turn.
25:07
SPEAKER_01: Something to that effect.
25:08
SPEAKER_01: But I just remember the interview I did with KK and asked him about the whole Al Atkins thing.
25:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
25:15
SPEAKER_01: And he more or less just said, yeah, I don't know why he keeps doing that.
25:18
SPEAKER_01: He was in the band for like 10 minutes or something.
25:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:22
SPEAKER_01: Just made headlines.
25:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, him, Dave Evans, you know, there's a slew of those guys out there.
25:31
SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of Pete Best's out there.
25:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:34
SPEAKER_02: Dude, I got to tell you this.
25:36
SPEAKER_02: This is a side story and we'll come back to this.
25:38
SPEAKER_02: So I was interviewing, the guy's name is Lee Richards.
25:41
SPEAKER_02: He's the original guitar player of Godsmack.
25:44
SPEAKER_01: Right.
25:45
SPEAKER_02: But he left Godsmack before they blew up.
25:48
SPEAKER_01: Right.
25:51
SPEAKER_02: Interesting story.
25:52
SPEAKER_02: He found out he had a kid.
25:53
SPEAKER_02: He didn't know he had a kid,
25:54
SPEAKER_02: then he found out he had a kid, so he quit the band to go and be a dad.
25:58
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
26:00
SPEAKER_02: That's interesting, to say the least.
26:02
SPEAKER_02: And then, obviously, Godsmack went...
26:06
SPEAKER_02: So I'm interviewing him, and I said, dude, you're basically the Pete Best of Godsmack.
26:11
SPEAKER_02: I got a look like, what the fuck did you just say?
26:16
SPEAKER_01: Did he not get the reference?
26:18
SPEAKER_01: Oh, he got the reference.
26:19
SPEAKER_01: He didn't like the reference a whole lot.
26:22
SPEAKER_01: Well, why?
26:22
SPEAKER_01: What's wrong with saying that?
26:25
SPEAKER_02: Because Pete Best is considered a goof for missing out on the Beatles.
26:30
SPEAKER_02: Well, he missed out on Godsmack.
26:31
SPEAKER_01: Well, I agree.
26:33
SPEAKER_01: I totally do.
26:34
SPEAKER_01: That's why I said it.
26:35
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's a fair...
26:38
SPEAKER_02: I know, but you know, these guys, I don't like to hear they did anything wrong.
26:42
SPEAKER_01: Although I don't
26:42
SPEAKER_02: even want to shit talk to this guy.
26:43
SPEAKER_02: He was super, super nice.
26:45
SPEAKER_01: What do you mean did something wrong?
26:47
SPEAKER_01: He didn't do anything wrong.
26:49
SPEAKER_01: I thought he did the
26:50
SPEAKER_02: right thing.
26:50
SPEAKER_01: He just missed the boat.
26:52
SPEAKER_01: That's all.
26:52
SPEAKER_02: He missed the boat on fame.
26:55
SPEAKER_02: And he still works with all that.
26:56
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's still good with all these guys.
26:57
SPEAKER_02: He did that another animal band with them and.
27:00
SPEAKER_02: He has a band with Whitfield Crane and Shannon Larkin.
27:04
SPEAKER_02: Right.
27:05
SPEAKER_02: So he works with those guys all the time.
27:07
SPEAKER_02: Like he's still in that camp.
27:09
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
27:09
SPEAKER_02: But he just, he missed the, he was in Godsmack.
27:13
SPEAKER_02: And that's a pretty big swing and a miss in the last 25 years, don't you think?
27:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
27:19
SPEAKER_02: It's Pete Best.
27:20
SPEAKER_02: I don't think that was a bad comparison at all.
27:23
SPEAKER_02: Maybe it was a little rough to say it, but.
27:27
SPEAKER_01: I would have not taken offense to it.
27:30
SPEAKER_02: He just gave me that kind of like he was,
27:32
SPEAKER_02: you know, he's all happy and it was one of these, you know, one of those things.
27:39
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
27:39
SPEAKER_02: But it's fine.
27:40
SPEAKER_02: Good dude, though.
27:41
SPEAKER_02: Really good and great interview and great record.
27:44
SPEAKER_02: Goddamn.
27:44
SPEAKER_02: If you like Pearl Jam or Creed or any of that kind of stuff.
27:48
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
27:48
SPEAKER_02: What a fucking killer record this guy put out.
27:51
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, back to Ian Hill.
27:54
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
27:56
SPEAKER_02: Well, obviously...
27:59
SPEAKER_02: It really now calls into play, is this Judas Priest or not?
28:04
SPEAKER_02: I guess it is.
28:05
SPEAKER_01: They got the name.
28:06
SPEAKER_01: That's all it is.
28:07
SPEAKER_02: Who owns the name, do you think?
28:08
SPEAKER_02: Halford?
28:10
SPEAKER_01: I don't think Halford owns the name.
28:12
SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, he's the only longstanding guy.
28:15
SPEAKER_01: I know, but I think that's a good question.
28:20
SPEAKER_01: Because when Halford was gone, it's not like he...
28:25
SPEAKER_01: You know, because he wasn't part of Judas Priest when they started as Judas Priest.
28:31
SPEAKER_01: So you would think KK or Tipton or somebody like that.
28:34
SPEAKER_02: You think it'd be Tipton and Ian would be the owner.
28:37
SPEAKER_01: You would think it'd be Ian because he's the only one out there.
28:40
SPEAKER_01: Maybe it might be Ian who owns it.
28:42
SPEAKER_01: And he's like, yeah, you got my blessing.
28:44
SPEAKER_01: I mean, just because I can't play doesn't mean you guys should suffer.
28:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:50
SPEAKER_02: I mean, now you went and saw KK's Priest.
28:53
SPEAKER_02: You know, two nights ago or last night or whatever.
28:55
SPEAKER_02: Just last night.
28:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:56
SPEAKER_02: Last night.
29:01
SPEAKER_02: What is Judas Priest now?
29:02
SPEAKER_02: In your head, quote unquote, Judas Priest is playing this place.
29:08
SPEAKER_02: KK's Priest is playing that place.
29:11
SPEAKER_02: You have free tickets to both.
29:14
SPEAKER_02: Where are you going?
29:16
SPEAKER_01: KK.
29:17
SPEAKER_02: Without any thought.
29:18
SPEAKER_01: No, no thought at all.
29:20
SPEAKER_02: After seeing what I saw last night.
29:23
SPEAKER_02: Even though the Judas Priest one would be a much bigger production.
29:30
SPEAKER_01: Doesn't matter.
29:30
SPEAKER_02: Doesn't matter.
29:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because, you know, Tim just brought it.
29:36
SPEAKER_01: Tim's great.
29:36
SPEAKER_01: He's so good.
29:37
SPEAKER_01: Tim just brought it, and the band sounded great, and they sounded solid.
29:42
SPEAKER_01: And if I just want to go for a night of Judas Priest music, I'll go see KK's Priest.
29:50
SPEAKER_02: Well, five years ago,
29:52
SPEAKER_02: four or five years ago,
29:54
SPEAKER_02: All we could say,
29:55
SPEAKER_02: once Glenn was finally stepping down,
29:58
SPEAKER_02: everybody pushed to try and get KK back in the band.
30:02
SPEAKER_01: Right.
30:03
SPEAKER_02: Except for the band guys themselves.
30:04
SPEAKER_02: All the fans wanted KK back in the band.
30:06
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
30:07
SPEAKER_01: And I mean, he's still performing at a high level, in my opinion.
30:12
SPEAKER_01: He was still moving around the stage and...
30:15
SPEAKER_01: You know, rocking out and looking like KK.
30:18
SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you watch the video again that I took last night,
30:21
SPEAKER_01: he looks like KK out there just rocking it out.
30:25
SPEAKER_01: He doesn't look like a broken down,
30:27
SPEAKER_01: you know,
30:28
SPEAKER_01: old man trying to creep around on the stage,
30:31
SPEAKER_01: you know, with a flying V. I mean, he was he was rocking out last night.
30:36
SPEAKER_02: So if the decision like.
30:39
SPEAKER_02: Let's just say,
30:40
SPEAKER_02: and I'm throwing stuff out here that I'm talking completely out of my ass on,
30:46
SPEAKER_02: but let's just say that because Ian stepped down,
30:51
SPEAKER_02: that Halford or Jane Andrews or whoever it is,
30:54
SPEAKER_02: I don't even know if Jane is still in charge of the band,
30:56
SPEAKER_02: but whoever it is that's in charge of the band,
30:59
SPEAKER_02: let's say that they're watching,
31:02
SPEAKER_02: they see how great this KK's Priest sounds and how great KK is still playing.
31:09
SPEAKER_02: And they reach out to KK to rejoin Judas Priest.
31:13
SPEAKER_01: Give it some legitimacy or something?
31:15
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
31:16
SPEAKER_02: Do you think he does that?
31:18
SPEAKER_02: Or do you think he says, you know what?
31:19
SPEAKER_02: You guys told me to fuck off then.
31:22
SPEAKER_02: I'm going to tell you to fuck off now because I've got this entity that's working.
31:28
SPEAKER_01: Well, I think it goes beyond that.
31:32
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
31:32
SPEAKER_01: You think it's money?
31:34
SPEAKER_01: Well, I think money is one thing.
31:36
SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
31:40
SPEAKER_01: Partnership percentage if it is a partnership.
31:44
SPEAKER_02: Right.
31:44
SPEAKER_01: How much say he has in the band if it's equal say.
31:49
SPEAKER_02: Right.
31:51
SPEAKER_01: You know,
31:51
SPEAKER_01: I think it's a whole litany of things aside from,
31:54
SPEAKER_01: well, you're a hired gun, but we need you in the band for legitimacy.
31:58
SPEAKER_02: Right.
31:59
SPEAKER_01: I don't think that would work.
32:00
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
32:01
SPEAKER_01: But I would think he would have to be restored as a full member.
32:06
SPEAKER_02: Right.
32:07
SPEAKER_02: Do you think that that is a possibility?
32:10
SPEAKER_02: Could be, but I don't see it happening, though.
32:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
32:14
SPEAKER_01: Because if he was on good terms with those guys, I think it would have already happened.
32:21
SPEAKER_02: Maybe.
32:22
SPEAKER_01: But after what we saw at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony,
32:28
SPEAKER_01: like he was a pariah on his side of the stage, that spoke volumes to me.
32:34
SPEAKER_02: Me too.
32:36
SPEAKER_02: And boy, would that be a royal, royal fuck off to Tim.
32:43
SPEAKER_02: If KK said, well,
32:44
SPEAKER_02: I'm going to put it down and I'm going to go and play these same exact songs
32:47
SPEAKER_02: with these guys instead.
32:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:50
SPEAKER_02: That would be a real fuck you to Tim.
32:54
SPEAKER_02: Who's done nothing but make this project great.
32:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:58
SPEAKER_02: I mean, on record and, you know, live.
33:01
SPEAKER_02: He's been phenomenal.
33:04
SPEAKER_02: So, oof.
33:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a weird—what would you rather?
33:08
SPEAKER_02: Forget the fact that you've seen both and you like KK's Priest as an entity better.
33:13
SPEAKER_02: I mean, if all the stars aligned,
33:15
SPEAKER_02: would you want to see Rob Halford and KK Downing and,
33:23
SPEAKER_02: I don't know, Scott Travis and whoever else?
33:27
SPEAKER_02: You know, Davey Rimmer from Uriah Heep as the bass player and— Who's the other one?
33:33
SPEAKER_02: What, Andy Sneap or whatever?
33:36
SPEAKER_02: No, Faulkner.
33:37
SPEAKER_02: It'd be Richie Faulkner.
33:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Richie Faulkner.
33:39
SPEAKER_02: Would you want to see that lineup?
33:43
SPEAKER_02: Or are we at a place now where, eh, don't really need to anymore.
33:46
SPEAKER_02: We're comfortable with KK's Priest.
33:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:49
SPEAKER_01: I mean, he went through a cavalcade of Priest music last night.
33:54
SPEAKER_01: That was, you know, it scratched my itch for hearing some Priest tunes.
34:00
SPEAKER_02: Right.
34:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a weird thought, man.
34:03
SPEAKER_02: It's like,
34:05
SPEAKER_02: you know,
34:05
SPEAKER_02: I mean, obviously the easiest thing to do is just keep doing what they're doing.
34:11
SPEAKER_02: And Dave Rimmer's a great bassist.
34:13
SPEAKER_02: So, you know, that part's going to work.
34:16
SPEAKER_02: Although I don't know how that synchronicity thing is going to work
34:19
SPEAKER_02: because I believe Rimmer's left-handed.
34:22
SPEAKER_02: So you know how they always do the... Yeah.
34:25
SPEAKER_02: I don't know that they can do that anymore with one guy facing the other way.
34:30
SPEAKER_01: Unless he's on the other side of the stage doing his own thing.
34:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they might have to put him over on the other side so he can do it.
34:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't know.
34:39
SPEAKER_02: Dude, it's such a weird thing with Judas Priest because I love the band like you do.
34:44
SPEAKER_02: I always say when people ask me,
34:48
SPEAKER_02: they ask me to name my top five bands, it flip-flops between Pantera and Metallica.
34:53
SPEAKER_02: But number three is always the same, Judas Priest.
34:56
SPEAKER_02: It's always Judas Priest in the three slot for me.
34:59
SPEAKER_02: And I just,
35:03
SPEAKER_02: it's such a weird thing because they haven't done anything,
35:05
SPEAKER_02: they haven't put out anything that's even not good.
35:09
SPEAKER_02: You know, other than Nostradamus, and that was eons ago at this point.
35:13
SPEAKER_02: You know,
35:14
SPEAKER_02: but the last three records have been great,
35:18
SPEAKER_02: really, or two great and one really good with bad production.
35:22
SPEAKER_01: Right.
35:23
SPEAKER_01: But they've been solid releases.
35:25
SPEAKER_02: They've all been solid,
35:26
SPEAKER_02: and I mean,
35:28
SPEAKER_02: I'll never get Nostradamus,
35:30
SPEAKER_02: but if you take that and ram it down out of their collection,
35:34
SPEAKER_02: I think every other record, and there's a lot of them, is fantastic.
35:38
SPEAKER_02: Every other record in my head.
35:42
SPEAKER_02: I mean, what do you think?
35:42
SPEAKER_02: Is there anything else that you listen to and you're like, ugh, nah.
35:46
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they're akin to the Megadeth catalog.
35:49
SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm, yeah.
35:57
SPEAKER_02: Clunker here and there, but overall pretty damn solid.
36:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:00
SPEAKER_01: Same thing with Testament.
36:01
SPEAKER_01: Testament.
36:02
SPEAKER_01: Has Testament put out a bad record?
36:05
SPEAKER_01: Some people would argue Demonic,
36:07
SPEAKER_01: but... Yeah, I wasn't a fan of Demonic, but was it a bad record?
36:10
SPEAKER_02: Nah.
36:11
SPEAKER_02: I love Demonic.
36:12
SPEAKER_02: I think it's one of their best.
36:13
SPEAKER_01: It was just kind of a departure for Testament.
36:16
SPEAKER_01: That's all it was, but it wasn't a bad record.
36:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:20
SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to think with Priest.
36:21
SPEAKER_02: I mean, the only one that really comes to mind is like Roccarolla.
36:25
SPEAKER_02: I know a lot of people don't love it.
36:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because it's old.
36:28
SPEAKER_02: Because it's very old.
36:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because they hadn't really developed their sound yet.
36:39
SPEAKER_02: So has the brand outlived the band?
36:45
SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
36:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:49
SPEAKER_01: I mean, these guys are old.
36:50
SPEAKER_01: They're
36:54
SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean, it's just like how long do you go until you just quit?
37:02
SPEAKER_01: Does the band stop just due to attrition?
37:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
37:07
SPEAKER_01: Or do you just keep getting new members like Quiet Riot?
37:10
SPEAKER_02: Well, like so many of them.
37:12
SPEAKER_02: Dude, I mean, it's amazing.
37:16
SPEAKER_02: And all respect to our late great friend Bob Nelbandian for
37:20
SPEAKER_02: the band versus brand way ahead of its time.
37:23
SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
37:24
SPEAKER_02: But I don't think members really matter.
37:28
SPEAKER_02: As we go further, I just think these things are all just going to be ATMs.
37:34
SPEAKER_02: I think all these bands are just going to have all new players as long as they can make money.
37:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
37:40
SPEAKER_01: I think that's where we're at now.
37:42
SPEAKER_01: As long as people come out to see them.
37:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
37:45
SPEAKER_02: Because, I mean, you look at Quiet Riot, zero original members.
37:49
SPEAKER_02: Rudy technically is an OG, but he's not an original guy.
37:54
SPEAKER_02: You know, there's none in that band.
37:56
SPEAKER_02: There's none in Foreigner.
37:58
SPEAKER_02: There's none in Judas Priest.
38:01
SPEAKER_02: None in Skinnerd.
38:03
SPEAKER_02: And it's all acceptable.
38:05
SPEAKER_02: People are still going to these shows.
38:07
SPEAKER_02: They're filling rooms.
38:09
SPEAKER_01: That brand means everything.
38:11
SPEAKER_01: It's the only thing that matters.
38:13
SPEAKER_01: I mean, the same way with Steven Piercy.
38:15
SPEAKER_01: He goes out, he's not doing Rat.
38:17
SPEAKER_01: You know, he's not going out as Rat.
38:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
38:21
SPEAKER_01: But he goes out as Steven Piercy of Rat.
38:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and Rat's like this big and Steven Piercy's like this big.
38:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
38:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean,
38:34
SPEAKER_02: I'm starting to think,
38:36
SPEAKER_02: and I'm going somewhere with this,
38:37
SPEAKER_02: I'm starting to think that the brand is all that matters now.
38:45
SPEAKER_02: Especially with the younger people.
38:46
SPEAKER_02: I think us, old fucks, I think we are so old that we were raised on.
38:54
SPEAKER_02: If it isn't the originals, it's shit.
38:57
SPEAKER_02: But I think the young kids, the 35-year-olds, the 25-year-olds, they don't care.
39:03
SPEAKER_02: They weren't raised that way.
39:04
SPEAKER_02: All they're raised on is hearing those songs and playing it on Guitar Hero
39:09
SPEAKER_02: or whatever they were doing,
39:11
SPEAKER_02: you know, rock band or whatever, but they were teenagers and kids.
39:16
SPEAKER_02: The members...
39:17
SPEAKER_02: Look, I can tell you, my son played the living fuck out of Guitar Hero when he was a boy.
39:23
SPEAKER_02: I mean, to the point that I hated every,
39:26
SPEAKER_02: I couldn't stand fucking Holy Wars for a long time
39:28
SPEAKER_02: because every single day I would hear that plastic clicking of
39:32
SPEAKER_02: that fucking fake guitar.
39:35
SPEAKER_02: I was like, oh my God, just fucking stop.
39:39
SPEAKER_02: You know, it got old.
39:43
SPEAKER_02: But he loves that music now.
39:45
SPEAKER_02: He still loves that music now.
39:47
SPEAKER_02: But I can guarantee you, he doesn't give a shit about who's in the band.
39:53
SPEAKER_02: He'll listen to a new Judas Priest record or a new Winger record or a new whatever,
39:59
SPEAKER_02: Motley Crue song or whatever, but he doesn't care who's in the band.
40:04
SPEAKER_01: I mean, let's, you know, I know Blackie Lawless is the original member of Wasp.
40:13
SPEAKER_01: And he's had a rotating lineup of Wasp members forever.
40:17
SPEAKER_01: Same thing with Metal Church.
40:18
SPEAKER_01: If it wasn't for Kurt Vanderhoof, would it be really Metal Church?
40:22
SPEAKER_02: Well, that's the question now is I think that I think at this point in the game,
40:29
SPEAKER_02: they could go out without Kurt Vanderhoof and still be Metal Church.
40:33
SPEAKER_02: And I think they could go out without Blackie Lawless and be Wasp.
40:38
SPEAKER_02: Look.
40:39
SPEAKER_02: Again, not trying to start the Quiet Riot nonsense again with us,
40:44
SPEAKER_02: but look at the fucking craziness of this kid that sounds like Kevin Dubrow.
40:51
SPEAKER_02: People don't give a shit that it's not Kevin Dubrow.
40:55
SPEAKER_02: They're like, here he is.
40:57
SPEAKER_02: Sounds like it.
40:58
SPEAKER_02: Sings the song.
41:01
SPEAKER_02: Sounds like the Metal Health record.
41:04
SPEAKER_02: Good enough.
41:04
SPEAKER_02: They'll call that Quiet Riot.
41:06
SPEAKER_02: They'll happily call it Quiet Riot.
41:08
SPEAKER_02: And they do.
41:09
SPEAKER_02: And they do.
41:10
SPEAKER_02: Judas Priest.
41:12
SPEAKER_02: They're going to happily call that Judas Priest.
41:15
SPEAKER_02: And they're going to go out.
41:17
SPEAKER_02: And even,
41:18
SPEAKER_02: I almost wonder,
41:20
SPEAKER_02: let's say Rob Halford decides after the Invincible Shield tour finally ends
41:24
SPEAKER_02: after three years or whatever it's been that it's been going.
41:28
SPEAKER_02: Let's say he says, I don't want to do this anymore.
41:31
SPEAKER_02: And they bring in a new guy or they bring Ripper back.
41:36
SPEAKER_02: Is that still Judas Priest?
41:39
SPEAKER_02: I think it is as long as the logo is on top of the show.
41:42
SPEAKER_01: As long as they got that big logo up there.
41:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
41:47
SPEAKER_02: Wretch Reborn in the chat room says Metal Church did go out without Vanderhoof in the 90s.
41:52
SPEAKER_01: They did.
41:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
41:54
SPEAKER_02: It's true.
41:57
SPEAKER_01: But they had other original members.
41:58
SPEAKER_01: Other original guys.
42:00
SPEAKER_01: But there are no original guys in Metal Church aside from Vanderhoof
42:05
SPEAKER_02: right now.
42:06
SPEAKER_02: I don't think the original guys matter.
42:09
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you're boys that you go out with all the time, Dokken.
42:13
SPEAKER_02: If Don was to say, I'm 74,
42:17
SPEAKER_02: my fucking hand doesn't work,
42:18
SPEAKER_02: I'm struggling around on the stage, whatever, I want to be done.
42:22
SPEAKER_02: But I want to make 20% and we're going to find a Don Dokken ringer on the internet
42:30
SPEAKER_02: and we'll bring him in.
42:32
SPEAKER_02: I think they could still tour as Dokken.
42:34
SPEAKER_02: Maybe.
42:35
SPEAKER_02: I think they could.
42:35
SPEAKER_02: I think Rat, we saw it.
42:39
SPEAKER_02: We saw a rat go out there numerous times without various pieces.
42:45
SPEAKER_02: I think you could go out there with a rat with no original members.
42:50
SPEAKER_02: I do.
42:51
SPEAKER_02: I think we're at a stage now where those of us that are of the age that care about
42:57
SPEAKER_02: that shit are dying off and we're not going to the shows as much anyway.
43:01
SPEAKER_02: So the young kids don't give a shit.
43:03
SPEAKER_02: They're fine with what we used to call tribute bands are now bands.
43:09
SPEAKER_02: I think we've taken the tribute off of it now, and they're just bands.
43:12
SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, again, look at the band Chicago, or what they call Chicago.
43:19
SPEAKER_01: It's got Lee Locknane, the trumpet player, and the rest is just dudes.
43:27
SPEAKER_02: If that guy, Lee, what's his name?
43:29
SPEAKER_02: Lee Locknane?
43:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Lee Locknane.
43:31
SPEAKER_02: If Lee Locknane said,
43:32
SPEAKER_02: I don't want to do this anymore,
43:34
SPEAKER_02: and they worked out a deal for Lee Locknane to get 20% of revenue,
43:40
SPEAKER_02: and they just repackaged Leonid and Friends as Chicago.
43:45
SPEAKER_02: Would that matter to fans anymore?
43:46
SPEAKER_01: No, I don't think so, because every time I go see Leonid and Friends, they pack the place out.
43:54
SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's what I'm saying is, I think brand is all that matters now.
44:03
SPEAKER_01: It is.
44:03
SPEAKER_02: I agree.
44:04
SPEAKER_02: You know, and...
44:06
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if that's okay or if I'm sad about that.
44:09
SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm sad about it.
44:10
SPEAKER_01: Why are you sad about it?
44:12
SPEAKER_01: Because you and I grew up with these people.
44:18
SPEAKER_01: We knew these people's names.
44:19
SPEAKER_01: We knew what they brought to the table as a musician, you know, through Dockin out there.
44:28
SPEAKER_01: We knew what George Lynch brought to the table as a guitarist, you know.
44:33
SPEAKER_01: We knew,
44:34
SPEAKER_01: you know, from, say,
44:36
SPEAKER_01: the rat standpoint,
44:37
SPEAKER_01: you know,
44:38
SPEAKER_01: we knew what that twin guitar attack between Robin Crosby
44:43
SPEAKER_01: and Warren Demartini brought to the rat sound.
44:47
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
44:47
SPEAKER_01: You know, and the personalities, obviously.
44:51
SPEAKER_01: You know,
44:52
SPEAKER_01: Stephen Piercy actually looked like a rat,
44:55
SPEAKER_01: you know, back in the day, you know, because he had that black eyeliner and had that...
45:01
SPEAKER_01: You know,
45:01
SPEAKER_01: I had that,
45:03
SPEAKER_01: you know, and it was just kind of, you know, we knew these people by name.
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45:27
SPEAKER_00: You know, we got to know them by name.
45:29
SPEAKER_00: And that's where I think the connection comes.
45:48
SPEAKER_01: And the sadness comes in is because we knew who they were by name.
45:52
SPEAKER_01: We knew Rob Halford and we knew Ian Hill and we know KK Downing and Glenn Tipton.
45:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I agree.
46:00
SPEAKER_01: But we're dying.
46:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
46:02
SPEAKER_01: And the same thing with Iron Maiden.
46:05
SPEAKER_01: I mean, God bless Iron Maiden for keeping it together as long as they have.
46:09
SPEAKER_02: As long as they have.
46:10
SPEAKER_01: It's amazing.
46:11
SPEAKER_01: With mostly original members.
46:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean,
46:14
SPEAKER_02: it really is amazing that they have I just don't think,
46:18
SPEAKER_02: I think now too, A,
46:23
SPEAKER_02: I don't agree with,
46:24
SPEAKER_02: while I agree with you that for us personally,
46:29
SPEAKER_02: it matters because we're old and we're old school, I don't think it matters a lick.
46:34
SPEAKER_02: And I'm basing this off of everything that I'm seeing out there now.
46:39
SPEAKER_02: And quite honestly, look at the bands that we still sort of acknowledge as the bands.
46:44
SPEAKER_02: Dockin'.
46:46
SPEAKER_02: Dokken has been Don Dokken for 25 years.
46:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
46:50
SPEAKER_01: Well, up until,
46:51
SPEAKER_01: you know,
46:52
SPEAKER_01: up until Mick left the band back in, what, 2018, you know, there was half of Dokken.
46:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but now, but nobody flinched on it when Mick retired.
47:02
SPEAKER_01: No, not at all.
47:04
SPEAKER_02: You know, it's still Dokken in most people's heads.
47:06
SPEAKER_02: It's Dokken.
47:06
SPEAKER_02: It's not the Don Dokken band.
47:08
SPEAKER_01: And, you know, since I'm out there with them, people just want to see Don show up.
47:15
SPEAKER_01: That's all they care about.
47:17
SPEAKER_02: Now, but five years from now,
47:21
SPEAKER_02: if you put another singer in there and they tour as Dockin,
47:25
SPEAKER_02: if it was,
47:27
SPEAKER_02: and I don't think this would be a lineup,
47:28
SPEAKER_02: but if it was BJ and it was McCarvel and it was Levin and it was Joe Smith
47:35
SPEAKER_02: that sounds just like 1988, just got lucky, Don.
47:42
SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
47:43
SPEAKER_02: I think people would still accept that as Dokken.
47:46
SPEAKER_01: I think so.
47:47
SPEAKER_02: I think they would.
47:49
SPEAKER_02: And I don't want to only focus on Dokken because that's all we ever talk about.
47:52
SPEAKER_02: Queensryche.
47:55
SPEAKER_02: They gutted that band.
47:57
SPEAKER_01: They got the bassist and a guitarist.
48:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, two guys.
48:02
SPEAKER_02: And not the guitarist that wrote anything and not the singer that wrote anything.
48:06
SPEAKER_02: And people are just fine with it.
48:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they go and they get to play bigger venues, too.
48:11
SPEAKER_02: Nobody looks at Queensryche and says, ah, fucking tribute band.
48:15
SPEAKER_02: They're just like, Queensryche.
48:17
SPEAKER_02: You know, that's just how it is.
48:20
SPEAKER_02: And you know what the weird thing is?
48:22
SPEAKER_02: If you look at the other side of the pendulum,
48:25
SPEAKER_02: you got Warrant with every original member except for the singer,
48:30
SPEAKER_02: and nobody accepts that as anything but a tribute.
48:34
SPEAKER_02: Same with Grey White.
48:37
SPEAKER_02: Don't you have most of the original guys from Great White?
48:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, most of the most popular lineup is still part of Great White.
48:43
SPEAKER_02: It's part of Great White.
48:44
SPEAKER_02: And people openly accept that as Great White.
48:48
SPEAKER_02: Or they don't accept that, rather, as Great White.
48:51
SPEAKER_02: They were accepting Jack Russell's Great White, which was only Jack Russell, as Great White.
48:57
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
48:58
SPEAKER_02: Dude, you know that.
48:59
SPEAKER_02: I mean, we would say it all the time.
49:01
SPEAKER_02: You'd say Jack Russell's Great White.
49:03
SPEAKER_02: And what was people's first reaction?
49:04
SPEAKER_02: Which one is that?
49:06
SPEAKER_02: Even though you said his name on it, they were like, is that this one or that one?
49:11
SPEAKER_01: Right.
49:12
SPEAKER_02: But I think overall the brand,
49:16
SPEAKER_02: I'm starting to really think that we are,
49:18
SPEAKER_02: especially because all these guys are getting into their 70s or whatever,
49:22
SPEAKER_02: and it's amazing that so many of them are out there still playing and playing shows
49:26
SPEAKER_02: and whatever.
49:28
SPEAKER_02: I just think that these guys are going to,
49:31
SPEAKER_02: and more their management than them,
49:33
SPEAKER_02: But they're going to see the money and they're going to just be like, I'm doing it.
49:38
SPEAKER_02: I'll just go with no original members.
49:40
SPEAKER_02: We'll take a stipend.
49:42
SPEAKER_02: Dude, would people go?
49:44
SPEAKER_02: I think people would accept Guns N' Roses without Axl Rose.
49:49
SPEAKER_02: They accepted Guns N' Roses with only Axl Rose.
49:53
SPEAKER_02: I think they would.
49:56
SPEAKER_02: I think they'd still be stadium level.
49:58
SPEAKER_01: Well, I think Foreigner is the one who was actually the test animal.
50:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
50:04
SPEAKER_02: And they passed.
50:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and they passed.
50:05
SPEAKER_01: Or Skinner.
50:07
SPEAKER_02: Skinner, too.
50:09
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they've been playing big rooms or big sheds for 35 years.
50:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, since they got back together in, what, 87?
50:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
50:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 87, yeah.
50:21
SPEAKER_01: Because they got back together as a tribute to 10-year anniversary of the plane crash.
50:28
SPEAKER_01: And they've been playing 15, like, sheds since.
50:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
50:33
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
50:33
SPEAKER_01: Every summer.
50:35
SPEAKER_02: Every summer.
50:36
SPEAKER_01: And it fills up every summer.
50:39
SPEAKER_01: They're your summertime band.
50:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
50:42
SPEAKER_02: It is crazy that the brand is now all that matters.
50:46
SPEAKER_02: You know, I really don't feel like who is standing on that stage more and more matters.
50:53
SPEAKER_02: Well, let's talk Journey.
50:55
SPEAKER_01: Journey is another one, yeah.
50:59
SPEAKER_01: They're out there.
51:01
SPEAKER_01: They're going to play the United Center here.
51:06
SPEAKER_02: But when their tour ends, that's the end of this year, right?
51:10
SPEAKER_02: Their tour's ending.
51:11
SPEAKER_02: And that's when Jonathan Cain's leaving.
51:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
51:15
SPEAKER_02: So it'll just be Neil Sean.
51:18
SPEAKER_02: And quite honestly,
51:19
SPEAKER_02: Neil's not the kind of charismatic guy that's going to be like,
51:23
SPEAKER_02: if he wasn't there, that it can't be Journey.
51:27
SPEAKER_02: And again,
51:27
SPEAKER_02: I think some of these guys are just like a Neil Sean who I don't know
51:32
SPEAKER_02: if he has money problems or he doesn't,
51:33
SPEAKER_02: but assuming from the lawsuits where he's using banned money to pay for his cars
51:39
SPEAKER_02: or whatever.
51:41
SPEAKER_01: I just think he burns through money as soon as he gets it.
51:44
SPEAKER_02: He may.
51:45
SPEAKER_02: And that's probably true.
51:46
SPEAKER_02: But if he can get paid to not be out on the road, he might take that.
51:51
SPEAKER_01: Unless he actually still enjoys performing.
51:54
SPEAKER_02: Well, he could stop in whenever he wants to.
51:56
SPEAKER_01: And again,
51:57
SPEAKER_01: I don't think a lot of these guys,
51:59
SPEAKER_01: and we talked about this before, a lot of it isn't really about the money.
52:04
SPEAKER_01: It's they don't know what else to do.
52:06
SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
52:08
SPEAKER_02: They want to have the mythical die on stage thing.
52:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they just want, they still want to play.
52:15
SPEAKER_01: They've been famous all their lives.
52:16
SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
52:21
SPEAKER_01: They perform.
52:22
SPEAKER_01: And then what are you going to do?
52:23
SPEAKER_01: Sit at home and what?
52:25
SPEAKER_01: Garden now?
52:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I agree.
52:27
SPEAKER_01: And it's just like, I got to get out on stage.
52:31
SPEAKER_01: I got to scratch that itch.
52:33
SPEAKER_02: Boy, I'm getting beat up.
52:34
SPEAKER_01: I got to play.
52:35
SPEAKER_02: I'm taking a beating in the chat room.
52:37
SPEAKER_01: Oh, what happened now?
52:39
SPEAKER_02: Shelly, you're 100% correct.
52:41
SPEAKER_02: Chris has lost his goddamn mind.
52:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but she's a hardcore, though.
52:48
SPEAKER_01: That's what I mean.
52:49
SPEAKER_01: See, the thing that Chris is hitting on,
52:53
SPEAKER_01: at least what I think, is that the hardcore fans won't accept it.
52:59
SPEAKER_01: The old fans.
53:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but the general public who are not invested in the band, they'll accept it.
53:09
SPEAKER_02: And I certainly think older versus younger is a thing.
53:14
SPEAKER_02: True.
53:14
SPEAKER_02: I think the younger fans don't give
53:17
SPEAKER_01: a shit.
53:18
SPEAKER_01: They don't.
53:18
SPEAKER_01: They just know the name.
53:20
SPEAKER_01: I heard my parents' records.
53:23
SPEAKER_01: I'm coming out to hear playing some songs that I grew up on.
53:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
53:30
SPEAKER_02: And, you know, they want to hear You Got Another Thing Coming.
53:36
SPEAKER_02: They don't give a shit if it's Rob Halford or if it's Ripper Owens or
53:41
SPEAKER_02: if it's some other kid that we've never even heard of before.
53:44
SPEAKER_01: They don't care.
53:47
SPEAKER_02: All they want to know is, all they want to hear is those songs.
53:50
SPEAKER_02: And I truly,
53:51
SPEAKER_02: truly think that,
53:54
SPEAKER_02: especially the way that we're,
53:56
SPEAKER_02: and again, I'm mishmashing a lot of shit into this thought.
54:01
SPEAKER_02: I think the way That everything is turning into music or what music is turning
54:08
SPEAKER_02: into shit like The Sphere and shit like that,
54:12
SPEAKER_02: where it's now becoming a production, not a concert.
54:16
SPEAKER_02: I think all of that's coming into play.
54:19
SPEAKER_02: Kiss and ABBA doing the Avatar thing where there's no original members and there's no members.
54:26
SPEAKER_02: You know, there's no members, but the guys are still going to get paid.
54:30
SPEAKER_02: People are seeing this shit.
54:33
SPEAKER_02: Don't think that these people aren't watching Metallica,
54:36
SPEAKER_02: who is a shell of the old Metallica,
54:39
SPEAKER_02: and they are getting just fucking trounced online for these sphere shows.
54:45
SPEAKER_02: But don't think that people that are in the business,
54:48
SPEAKER_02: the management people,
54:50
SPEAKER_02: the people,
54:50
SPEAKER_02: the money people, don't think that they're not looking at this and going, hmm.
54:56
SPEAKER_02: We can charge anywhere from $500 to $10,000 a ticket and people will pay it.
55:03
SPEAKER_02: They're looking at that and they're thinking, well, you know what?
55:06
SPEAKER_02: Maybe we can't charge $10,000 for rat,
55:12
SPEAKER_02: but if you put together a lineup that sounds pretty good,
55:15
SPEAKER_02: we might be able to charge $500 and sell 1,000 seats or 2,000 seats or whatever.
55:23
SPEAKER_02: The money people are thinking this.
55:27
SPEAKER_01: In my opinion, that's... Well, Kiss has already been thinking this.
55:32
SPEAKER_01: They made that announcement that Kiss will go on without original members.
55:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
55:39
SPEAKER_02: And I'm surprised that they actually settled back to the Avatar thing.
55:43
SPEAKER_02: I'm actually stunned that we have not seen Kiss with a new...
55:51
SPEAKER_02: With four guys,
55:52
SPEAKER_02: or maybe you keep Tommy and Eric,
55:57
SPEAKER_02: but two new guys, and just going by their character names.
56:02
SPEAKER_02: This now is the Starchild.
56:04
SPEAKER_02: This now is the Demon.
56:06
SPEAKER_02: You know,
56:07
SPEAKER_02: they already call Eric Singer the Catman,
56:11
SPEAKER_02: and they call Thayer, you know, the Spaceman.
56:16
SPEAKER_02: I'm stunned that they have not done that, but, you know.
56:20
SPEAKER_02: It really is.
56:22
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
56:23
SPEAKER_02: I guess it's sad in a way, but for me personally, I'm like, fine, whatever.
56:27
SPEAKER_02: I just want to hear the songs anymore.
56:30
SPEAKER_02: I'd rather hear the songs perform well.
56:32
SPEAKER_02: I almost honestly don't give a shit who's doing them.
56:35
SPEAKER_02: I really don't.
56:36
SPEAKER_02: I don't care.
56:38
SPEAKER_02: And again, a part of that is because I don't go to a ton of shows anymore.
56:43
SPEAKER_02: You know, I mean, maybe it would.
56:45
SPEAKER_02: Do you think it would matter more if I went to a lot of shows like I used to?
56:50
SPEAKER_02: If I was going to two shows a week like the old days,
56:54
SPEAKER_02: do you think that I would probably have a different opinion?
56:57
SPEAKER_02: It's hard to tell.
56:58
SPEAKER_01: Again,
56:59
SPEAKER_01: I just relate this to because music was such a huge part of our day-to-day existence
57:08
SPEAKER_01: and how you adopted your favorite band and you adopted your favorite musician,
57:16
SPEAKER_01: whether it was You know, if you were a drummer, you know, oh my God, Neil Peart.
57:23
SPEAKER_01: Oh, you know, this guy is God, you know, or whatever.
57:26
SPEAKER_01: Or Tommy Lee.
57:27
SPEAKER_01: Oh my God, look at the, you know, up there.
57:30
SPEAKER_01: He's just pounding those skins and geez, he's the best drummer I've ever seen.
57:34
SPEAKER_01: And, you know,
57:36
SPEAKER_01: you got excited about that kind of stuff because you related to these individuals.
57:42
SPEAKER_01: And like you said, the younger people, They don't know anything about these guys.
57:47
SPEAKER_02: No.
57:48
SPEAKER_02: And even if they do, I don't think they care.
57:50
SPEAKER_01: No, they don't.
57:52
SPEAKER_02: I think you could put together four new guys,
57:54
SPEAKER_02: call it Van Halen, and if it was endorsed, people would go see it.
57:59
SPEAKER_02: I really, really do.
58:01
SPEAKER_02: If you put together some ridiculously
58:05
SPEAKER_02: great shredder guy on guitar that sort of,
58:10
SPEAKER_02: you know,
58:10
SPEAKER_02: and you paint his guitars with the stripes and whatever, so it's Van Halen.
58:14
SPEAKER_02: Van Halen symbolism.
58:17
SPEAKER_02: And you put out there a guy that looks like David Lee Roth from 1983.
58:20
SPEAKER_02: You put out there a bassist that looks like me.
58:25
SPEAKER_02: And you put out there a drummer behind a huge kit.
58:31
SPEAKER_02: Maybe put a neck brace on him so he looks more like Alex.
58:34
SPEAKER_02: Then you're good.
58:35
SPEAKER_02: I honestly think,
58:37
SPEAKER_02: I don't think at first,
58:38
SPEAKER_02: just like Foreigner or Journey,
58:40
SPEAKER_02: when Journey,
58:41
SPEAKER_02: me and you went and saw Journey, when they first played the first round with Augiri.
58:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
58:47
SPEAKER_02: And we saw him at the Convocation Center, I believe.
58:51
SPEAKER_01: No, was it Rhodes Arena?
58:54
SPEAKER_02: Maybe it was Rhodes.
58:54
SPEAKER_02: I thought it was the Convo, but they pulled the curtain way, way up.
58:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that might have been that.
59:00
SPEAKER_01: I know it was either Rhodes Arena or the Convocation Center.
59:03
SPEAKER_02: I think it was the Convo, but they like, Curtained off more than half of the room.
59:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was Peter Frampton and...
59:12
SPEAKER_02: Batting, not Batting, it was John Waite.
59:14
SPEAKER_01: John Waite and Journey.
59:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and we went to that show and there was like 1,500 people probably or 2,000 or whatever.
59:22
SPEAKER_02: It was small.
59:23
SPEAKER_02: They had to rebuild, but they did rebuild.
59:28
SPEAKER_02: Shit, me and you went and saw Foreigner at what?
59:32
SPEAKER_02: Was that at the Agora?
59:34
SPEAKER_02: I think?
59:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you went the night after they were here in Chicago.
59:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, me and you went together when Jason Bonham was in the band.
59:43
SPEAKER_01: No, I think that was Longhaired Mike.
59:46
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
59:47
SPEAKER_02: I thought you were with me on that one.
59:49
SPEAKER_01: No, I wasn't with you on that one.
59:50
SPEAKER_02: But the free water, woo!
59:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
59:52
SPEAKER_01: No, I wasn't at that show, but I was at the show like the night before.
59:56
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
59:57
SPEAKER_02: But you saw it.
59:58
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you saw it in a small room.
1:00:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Jeff Pilsen invited me out and I went to the show.
1:00:06
SPEAKER_02: But it was a small show.
1:00:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was with Styx and Foreigner.
1:00:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it was probably, what, 2,000 people maybe?
1:00:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, something.
1:00:15
SPEAKER_02: And now they're a shed band.
1:00:19
SPEAKER_02: Now they have nobody that anybody even knows their name.
1:00:22
SPEAKER_02: The only name we know is Jeff Pilsen.
1:00:25
SPEAKER_02: Louie Maldonado.
1:00:27
SPEAKER_02: I know that name.
1:00:29
SPEAKER_02: I don't know him from any kind of performance.
1:00:31
SPEAKER_02: I just know it because he's out there instead of Lou Graham.
1:00:34
SPEAKER_02: But people don't care.
1:00:36
SPEAKER_02: All they care is that it says foreigner in the background and
1:00:39
SPEAKER_02: a big fucking jukebox picture shows up on the screen.
1:00:43
SPEAKER_02: And they're like, yeah!
1:00:46
SPEAKER_02: Urgent!
1:00:47
SPEAKER_02: Woo!
1:00:50
SPEAKER_02: They don't care.
1:00:51
SPEAKER_02: I think bands do not care anymore.
1:00:54
SPEAKER_02: I think it is all about the brand.
1:00:57
SPEAKER_01: You mean fans?
1:00:59
SPEAKER_02: No, I mean brand.
1:01:00
SPEAKER_02: It's all about the brand.
1:01:02
SPEAKER_01: No, what I said, I thought what you said, that the fans don't care anymore.
1:01:09
SPEAKER_02: No, the band doesn't matter.
1:01:11
SPEAKER_02: Oh, the band doesn't matter?
1:01:13
SPEAKER_02: I may have misspoke.
1:01:14
SPEAKER_02: The band doesn't matter anymore.
1:01:17
SPEAKER_02: All that matters is the brand.
1:01:19
SPEAKER_02: That's it.
1:01:21
SPEAKER_02: I think we're at that point.
1:01:23
SPEAKER_02: And maybe that is a little sad,
1:01:24
SPEAKER_02: but I guess the flip side of that is it may be sad,
1:01:29
SPEAKER_02: but more than likely we're going to get better music from all of these guys.
1:01:33
SPEAKER_02: Because it's not going to be a bunch of 70 and 80-year-old dudes trying
1:01:39
SPEAKER_02: to sing Frankie Valli tunes or whatever.
1:01:41
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:01:42
SPEAKER_02: You know, I think that's where we're at.
1:01:46
SPEAKER_01: Well, since we're talking about that, let's...
1:01:50
SPEAKER_01: Do a prime example of would this be acceptable?
1:01:54
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:01:55
SPEAKER_01: I just shot you over an email.
1:01:57
SPEAKER_02: All right.
1:01:58
SPEAKER_01: Our good friend Jerry Kogel sent this over.
1:02:02
SPEAKER_01: He says, hi, Neely.
1:02:03
SPEAKER_01: Hope your week was good.
1:02:05
SPEAKER_01: To be honest,
1:02:06
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you and Chris may have seen this video cover or
1:02:10
SPEAKER_01: if it's ever resurfaced on the show,
1:02:12
SPEAKER_01: but I came across it with the last couple of days
1:02:15
SPEAKER_01: and thought it was pretty damn good, especially the lead out.
1:02:18
SPEAKER_01: See you at the show tonight, brother.
1:02:20
SPEAKER_01: The CMS rocks, Jerry.
1:02:23
SPEAKER_01: So playing this,
1:02:26
SPEAKER_01: would people accept this as Jefferson Starship if they went out
1:02:31
SPEAKER_01: as Jefferson Starship with this lineup?
1:02:34
SPEAKER_01: Let's see.
1:02:34
SPEAKER_01: Let
1:02:41
SPEAKER_02: me hit the volume.
1:02:43
SPEAKER_02: Here we go.
1:02:48
SPEAKER_02: Oh, this is that COVID thing, yeah.
1:02:50
[music]
1:03:32
SPEAKER_02: it's Jefferson Whitesnake.
1:03:33
SPEAKER_02: I get it, but it's fine.
1:03:35
SPEAKER_01: But would that pass as Jefferson Starship?
1:03:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:03:40
SPEAKER_02: Why not?
1:03:41
SPEAKER_01: No original members.
1:03:43
SPEAKER_02: No, this is an all-star band.
1:03:45
SPEAKER_02: It's Dino Jelucic and Mike Portnoy and...
1:03:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:03:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:03:51
SPEAKER_02: Why not?
1:03:52
SPEAKER_01: Why not?
1:03:53
SPEAKER_01: That could go out and be Starship or Jefferson Starship.
1:03:56
SPEAKER_01: Why not?
1:03:58
SPEAKER_02: I'd like to hear Dino sing in Sarah.
1:04:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:04:02
SPEAKER_02: Or anything from Nuclear Furniture.
1:04:04
SPEAKER_01: I like that Jefferson Whitesnake.
1:04:07
SPEAKER_02: That's what it sounds like.
1:04:09
SPEAKER_02: He's another one.
1:04:10
SPEAKER_02: If you put back the last episode, I mean,
1:04:13
SPEAKER_02: the last version of Whitesnake was David Coverdale and a whole bunch of people.
1:04:16
SPEAKER_02: And I think a lot of people would love to hear Dino fronting it.
1:04:20
SPEAKER_01: Do you think, uh,
1:04:21
SPEAKER_01: do you think David Coverdale will ever give them the nod to go out as Whitesnake?
1:04:26
SPEAKER_01: Nope.
1:04:26
SPEAKER_01: No.
1:04:27
SPEAKER_02: He shut it down as the Whitesnake experience.
1:04:29
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:04:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:04:31
SPEAKER_02: They, they were going to do the Whitesnake experience with Jalucic singing
1:04:34
SPEAKER_02: and Coverdale's people shut that right down.
1:04:37
SPEAKER_03: Hmm.
1:04:38
SPEAKER_02: He wants to be retired.
1:04:39
SPEAKER_02: He wants his animal to be retired.
1:04:42
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
1:04:45
SPEAKER_02: Which I still think they should go out there and call it Dino and Friends
1:04:49
SPEAKER_02: or Former Members of Whitesnake or whatever.
1:04:52
SPEAKER_02: You know, just give it a name.
1:04:54
SPEAKER_02: Slide it in or something and fucking go.
1:04:57
SPEAKER_02: You know, I would love to see that.
1:05:01
SPEAKER_02: Honestly.
1:05:04
SPEAKER_02: I would love to see this Jefferson star.
1:05:06
SPEAKER_02: Dude.
1:05:07
SPEAKER_02: Honestly,
1:05:07
SPEAKER_02: this Jefferson Starship here,
1:05:10
SPEAKER_02: way better than the actual Jefferson Starship that's actually touring.
1:05:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because, you know, Mickey Thomas is getting kind of long in the tooth.
1:05:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:05:19
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's an old white-haired guy.
1:05:20
SPEAKER_02: He sounds real good, but the— Maybe it isn't Jefferson.
1:05:25
SPEAKER_02: What is the one that's out there now?
1:05:26
SPEAKER_02: The Jefferson Airplane?
1:05:28
SPEAKER_01: It's just Starship.
1:05:29
SPEAKER_02: But there is like a Jefferson Airplane or something that's out there as well.
1:05:33
SPEAKER_01: Yes, there is.
1:05:34
SPEAKER_01: And it's like one guy from Jefferson.
1:05:37
SPEAKER_01: And I don't think he was like, I don't even think.
1:05:39
SPEAKER_01: He's not an original.
1:05:40
SPEAKER_01: He's not an original.
1:05:42
SPEAKER_01: He was one of the replacement players,
1:05:44
SPEAKER_01: but somehow he got the go ahead to use Jefferson Airplane or Starship
1:05:49
SPEAKER_01: or whatever it is.
1:05:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, whatever it is.
1:05:51
SPEAKER_02: And he was out there with all new people.
1:05:54
SPEAKER_01: And then Mickey Thomas is out there still doing Starship.
1:05:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's out there doing Starship and people are still going.
1:06:02
SPEAKER_02: Coming to a state fair near you.
1:06:05
SPEAKER_02: Which is still making them bank.
1:06:08
SPEAKER_02: It does.
1:06:10
SPEAKER_02: I mean, that is truly the draw.
1:06:13
SPEAKER_02: It is still making them bank.
1:06:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:06:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think we've hit the, I think we've finally hit it, man.
1:06:20
SPEAKER_02: I think we've hit the,
1:06:22
SPEAKER_02: we're starting to fall down the other side of the mountain now
1:06:25
SPEAKER_02: where just everything we grew to love is dead.
1:06:32
SPEAKER_02: Everything.
1:06:33
SPEAKER_02: Bands are dead.
1:06:36
SPEAKER_02: Movies are dead.
1:06:37
SPEAKER_02: TV is dead.
1:06:40
SPEAKER_02: Entertainment is dead.
1:06:41
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
1:06:45
SPEAKER_02: I guess that is sad now.
1:06:46
SPEAKER_02: The whole time I've been saying, that's not sad, it's great.
1:06:49
SPEAKER_02: Now I'm like, oh man, that fucking sucks.
1:06:52
SPEAKER_02: Well, let's hear a
1:06:53
SPEAKER_01: little more of this.
1:06:55
SPEAKER_02: All right, let me put it back on the screen.
1:06:57
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
1:06:57
SPEAKER_02: Oh, here we go.
1:06:58
[music]
1:08:00
SPEAKER_02: That is really good, man.
1:08:01
SPEAKER_02: I love it.
1:08:03
SPEAKER_02: Thanks, Jerry.
1:08:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:08:05
SPEAKER_02: Geo Jalusic is fucking so awesome.
1:08:08
SPEAKER_01: And I, you know, got to know Joel Holkstra a little bit.
1:08:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:08:13
SPEAKER_01: That guy's a nice guy, man.
1:08:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he is.
1:08:15
SPEAKER_02: He's really nice.
1:08:16
SPEAKER_02: Friendly.
1:08:17
SPEAKER_01: Just a good player.
1:08:18
SPEAKER_01: Just a good dude.
1:08:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:08:22
SPEAKER_02: I wonder though, is Dino, what do you think about this?
1:08:25
SPEAKER_02: Is Dino,
1:08:26
SPEAKER_02: because he was in Whitesnake,
1:08:30
SPEAKER_02: and he wasn't the singer,
1:08:31
SPEAKER_02: so maybe this doesn't work as well,
1:08:33
SPEAKER_02: but is he, I think he personally is the best rock male singer out there today.
1:08:42
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's fucking phenomenal as a singer.
1:08:47
SPEAKER_02: Is he falling right into that trap though of Ronnie Romero,
1:08:52
SPEAKER_02: Doogie White,
1:08:54
SPEAKER_02: where because he's done a lot of things and been in bigger bands, he's tied to that.
1:09:01
SPEAKER_02: He wasn't even the singer in Whitesnake, officially.
1:09:05
SPEAKER_02: Lots of rumors that he might have been singing, but he was never officially the singer.
1:09:11
SPEAKER_02: He was the keyboard player.
1:09:15
SPEAKER_02: Is he doomed now that he can't break out because he's always the Whitesnake?
1:09:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but is there a business to break out in?
1:09:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
1:09:25
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
1:09:26
SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's no business anymore.
1:09:29
SPEAKER_01: It's not like he could be signed to a label or anything else.
1:09:33
SPEAKER_02: What about when Quiet Riot brings this all back, as I've been reading all week?
1:09:38
SPEAKER_02: Brings it all back to where?
1:09:41
SPEAKER_02: When they bring hair metal back to prominence,
1:09:45
SPEAKER_02: as I've been told all week is going to happen with John Torre.
1:09:49
SPEAKER_02: Once that happens, do you think Dino Jalusic has a place in that?
1:09:53
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
1:09:54
SPEAKER_02: Okay, good.
1:09:57
SPEAKER_01: But we're all banking on John to bring it back around.
1:10:01
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
1:10:02
SPEAKER_02: We're just waiting now.
1:10:04
SPEAKER_01: It's going to happen.
1:10:05
SPEAKER_01: So Dino's career hangs in the balance.
1:10:08
SPEAKER_02: Of John Tora, yes.
1:10:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
1:10:10
SPEAKER_01: Everybody's career does.
1:10:13
SPEAKER_01: So Dino is just sitting in the background just going, get out there and do it, fat boy.
1:10:17
SPEAKER_01: He's cheering for him.
1:10:20
SPEAKER_01: And I don't appreciate the fat boy.
1:10:21
SPEAKER_01: We're not allowed to say that anymore.
1:10:23
SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm saying it.
1:10:24
SPEAKER_01: Get out there and do it, fat boy.
1:10:27
SPEAKER_01: You know, large-boned person.
1:10:30
SPEAKER_01: I need the money.
1:10:31
SPEAKER_01: Just get my career on track, will you?
1:10:34
SPEAKER_01: We're all dependent on you.
1:10:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:10:39
SPEAKER_02: Well...
1:10:41
SPEAKER_02: What a week.
1:10:46
SPEAKER_02: All right.
1:10:46
SPEAKER_02: Well, that's it for Judas Priest, I guess.
1:10:50
SPEAKER_02: If you're into him, go.
1:10:54
SPEAKER_02: At least you have options now.
1:10:55
SPEAKER_02: You can go see Judas Priest or you can see KK's Priest.
1:10:58
SPEAKER_01: I'll go see KK any day.
1:11:00
SPEAKER_02: Pick your poison, people.
1:11:02
SPEAKER_02: I think I'll, well, I'm going to go see KK's Priest on Thursday, apparently.
1:11:06
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
1:11:08
SPEAKER_01: Compliments of Matt from Cincinnati.
1:11:10
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
1:11:10
SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much, Matt.
1:11:11
SPEAKER_02: I really do appreciate that.
1:11:13
SPEAKER_02: It was really good.
1:11:15
SPEAKER_02: All right.
1:11:16
SPEAKER_02: Well, before we take a break,
1:11:19
SPEAKER_01: we have a little bit of a contest going on over at our locals.
1:11:23
SPEAKER_01: So why don't you tell them about it, Chris?
1:11:26
SPEAKER_02: Well, I'll tell you what I know.
1:11:27
SPEAKER_02: It was set up by Virtual Rex.
1:11:28
SPEAKER_02: It wasn't set up by me.
1:11:31
SPEAKER_02: I, other than giving it some, some bare bones ideas, it put it all together for me.
1:11:36
SPEAKER_02: Um, Basically,
1:11:37
SPEAKER_02: if you are a local subscriber,
1:11:41
SPEAKER_02: we were gifted a copy of the upcoming release from Dangerous Toys,
1:11:47
SPEAKER_02: the reissue of the 1989 debut record, or CD, rather.
1:11:54
SPEAKER_02: We've got a CD.
1:11:55
SPEAKER_02: It's a two-disc set.
1:11:56
SPEAKER_02: It has the original release,
1:11:59
SPEAKER_02: and it also has a live show, I think, from 1989, so right in the era.
1:12:04
SPEAKER_02: It has new pictures and new A bunch of new stuff, new liners, I'm sure, and all that stuff.
1:12:10
SPEAKER_02: It's unopened, so I didn't even open it.
1:12:12
SPEAKER_02: I just was like, this would be a good one to give away.
1:12:15
SPEAKER_02: We always talk about that we're going to do gives on Locals, and we haven't.
1:12:19
SPEAKER_02: So here's how it's going to work.
1:12:22
SPEAKER_02: If you go to our Locals page and you leave a comment with your favorite song from
1:12:29
SPEAKER_02: the first Dangerous Toys record,
1:12:31
SPEAKER_02: and you give us a reason why, you can't just say, I like Spartan Woody!
1:12:35
SPEAKER_02: You know, got to give us a reason.
1:12:37
SPEAKER_02: Why do you like it?
1:12:37
SPEAKER_02: You like it because it makes your dick hard or whatever.
1:12:40
SPEAKER_02: You know, give us a reason, whatever.
1:12:43
SPEAKER_02: And then on November 13th,
1:12:47
SPEAKER_02: Virtual Rex is going to go in there and look at all the people and it's going
1:12:51
SPEAKER_02: to pick one at random and that person is going to win this copy of
1:12:56
SPEAKER_02: the Dangerous Toys reissue.
1:12:57
SPEAKER_02: So it's a nice little package.
1:12:59
SPEAKER_02: It really is pretty nice.
1:13:00
SPEAKER_02: And, you know, thank you to our...
1:13:04
SPEAKER_02: Our publicist, Chip Ruggieri, for sending that to me.
1:13:09
SPEAKER_02: Very much appreciate that.
1:13:10
SPEAKER_02: And we'll hook the fans up.
1:13:12
SPEAKER_02: That'll be good.
1:13:13
SPEAKER_01: Excellent.
1:13:15
SPEAKER_01: All right.
1:13:15
SPEAKER_01: Well, go over to the locals today and leave your comment over there.
1:13:19
SPEAKER_02: Leave your comment.
1:13:20
SPEAKER_02: Let's go.
1:13:23
SPEAKER_01: Well, since you mentioned dangerous toys, John Phillips in the FastPass.
1:13:30
SPEAKER_01: He did request Sport and Woody.
1:13:33
SPEAKER_01: Of course he did.
1:13:37
SPEAKER_01: So maybe the rest of you will Sport Woody's too when you hear this.
1:13:41
SPEAKER_01: All right.
1:13:42
SPEAKER_01: Or if you win the CD.
1:13:43
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
1:13:45
SPEAKER_01: All right.
1:13:46
SPEAKER_01: Well, let's get into some tunes here.
1:13:47
SPEAKER_01: Here it is.
1:13:49
SPEAKER_01: It's Dangerous Toys with Sport and Woody for John Phillips exclusively here.
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SPEAKER_01: On your classic metal show.
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