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3 Things We Learned From Ohio State's 49-14 Win Over Marshall · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes tomorrow morning for Sunday, September twenty second,
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host Tom or the Michigan State game in
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  Speaker 1: six days, the game against Michigan in.
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  Speaker 2: Sixty nine days.
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  Speaker 1: The Buckeyes will head into Michigan State with a three
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  Speaker 1: to zero record thanks to their forty nine to fourteen
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  Speaker 1: win over the Marshall Thundering Herd inside Ohio Stadium on Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: Joined by Kevin Noon of Buckeheadle dot com. Kevin, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know quite how to describe the game.
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  Speaker 2: It was a little weird.
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  Speaker 1: The defense was fine, The offense was incredibly explosive, almost
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  Speaker 1: too explosive at times because they kept putting the defense
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  Speaker 1: out there, because they kept having these one play drives.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how to describe that game other than
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  Speaker 1: just hot, very very very hot.
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  Speaker 3: There are a lot of times that I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I love standing on the sidelines. Today, I was like,
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  Speaker 3: I am so happy that I'm upstairs, even though in
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  Speaker 3: the press box the air conditioner was barely on, but
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  Speaker 3: it was hot. Everybody was sweating, the turf was probably sweat.
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  Speaker 3: It was just kind of a weird day. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think that depending on where you are on the
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  Speaker 3: barometer of Ohio State fandom, You're either going to be like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 3: you're just coming out of an open week and you
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  Speaker 3: were just a little flat, to oh my god, there's
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  Speaker 3: just wholesale changes that need to be made. Well, I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to tell you that it's much more the prior
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  Speaker 3: than the latter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like this was a game where the
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  Speaker 1: offense was so good that the game was never really
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  Speaker 1: in doubt.
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  Speaker 2: The defense.
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  Speaker 1: They were about as liberal with their substitution patterns on
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  Speaker 1: the defensive line as I've ever seen them in a game.
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  Speaker 1: And Marshall's a better team than Akron or Kent State
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  Speaker 1: or some of the other teams that we've seen in
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  Speaker 1: here over the years. This was we saw back up.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, no Tyler Williams. That was a notable thing,
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  Speaker 1: so he was out for the game. That probably impacted
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  Speaker 1: things a little bit early. But then even without him,
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  Speaker 1: you saw Jason Moore on like the second drive of
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  Speaker 1: the game, and you saw Hero Canoe right on the
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  Speaker 1: first drive of the game. You saw Taiwan Malone, and
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  Speaker 1: you saw a ton of Mitchell Melton. After Cayden Curry
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  Speaker 1: went out, with an iffy targeting call right before halftime.
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  Speaker 1: This was a game where the defense wasn't perfect. Leathan
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  Speaker 1: Ransom was extremely good on defense, but the defense.
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  Speaker 2: Over on the whole was not perfect.
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  Speaker 1: But other than the opening drive of the game, they
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  Speaker 1: gave up seven points for the rest of the game
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  Speaker 1: and it had a lot of three and outs. I
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  Speaker 1: think that the concern about this this game in particular,
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  Speaker 1: feels like more of a statement on the overall expectation
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  Speaker 1: of the Ohio State fan base for this team.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the defense had made so many, you know, steps forward,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that people when you go back and
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  Speaker 3: you look at the tape maybe will be wondering what
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  Speaker 3: the linebacker play was, Where the linebacker's up to snuff?
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  Speaker 3: Do they have the right guys out there at the
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  Speaker 3: right time, because Arvel Reese is really playing some great
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  Speaker 3: football right now. But you have your BLOCKO recipient in
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  Speaker 3: Cody Simon. You know, you've got Cieja Hicks, You've got
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  Speaker 3: sunny styles. So there's gonna be a lot to kind
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  Speaker 3: of go through there. But it's not a case of
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  Speaker 3: where it's like, oh, well, now that Michigan is seeing
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  Speaker 3: what Marshall has done well, Michigan and Marshall go about skinning.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'm not going to get into any of that,
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  Speaker 3: but I mean they they go about doing things a
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  Speaker 3: very different way. So I don't think that there needs
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  Speaker 3: to be this huge amount of concern. Also, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: let's see what happens after Michigan State the next game,
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  Speaker 3: Ohio States.
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  Speaker 2: For his road game.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you get a little uncomfortable in those types
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  Speaker 3: of situations. Where are they there now that once they
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  Speaker 3: play two games and we're not talking about an open week,
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  Speaker 3: and then of course after Oregon, when Ohio State has
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  Speaker 3: its second open week, then do they get off to
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  Speaker 3: a pedestrian start again?
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  Speaker 1: And you might see some similar stuff out of Michigan State.
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  Speaker 1: I think if I'm Michigan State, I'm looking at this
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  Speaker 1: game and going, well, we have a quarterback that can
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  Speaker 1: run a little bit, and Aiden Giles and Stone Earl
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  Speaker 1: for the quarterback for Marshall had really solid day seventy
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  Speaker 1: six percent completion percentage sixteen to twenty one, one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and thirty two yards. Nothing downfield really, just a lot
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  Speaker 1: of short stuff. Thinking done neutralize the pass rush. Twelve
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  Speaker 1: carries twenty three yards long at ten again not a
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  Speaker 1: huge game breaker, but just kind of kept the chains moving.
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  Speaker 1: And if you can keep the chains moving, you can
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  Speaker 1: keep the Ohio State offense off the field. That feels
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  Speaker 1: like one of the nicest things that the opponent opposing
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  Speaker 1: offense can do for its defense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, two things that I'll say in this. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: one thing that Marshall did a really good job of
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  Speaker 3: were a lot of little slants where the receiver is
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  Speaker 3: able to body off the defender and be able to
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they hit a lot of those passes. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: of the sixteen completions he had, I'd say at least
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  Speaker 3: eight of them were probably that. And then secondly, Ohio
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  Speaker 3: State was not getting home with the pass rush as much.
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  Speaker 3: I mean we did see we did see a big
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  Speaker 3: sack late the game or later in the game. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you know, there were some opportunities there, but we weren't
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  Speaker 3: seeing Jack Sawyer and JT. Toula Moloau, these guys being
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  Speaker 3: able to get there. I mean, and it wasn't even
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  Speaker 3: a matter of that they were just this close. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it just wasn't clicking today.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and it felt like Ohio State did not bring
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  Speaker 1: a lot of blitzes from where I was. We didn't
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  Speaker 1: end up talking about that on the postgame show. I
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  Speaker 1: meant to ask Tony about that, But from where I was,
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  Speaker 1: it just looked there was a lot of rush for
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  Speaker 1: and the rush four wasn't getting there, and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of times it was getting a ball a lot fast.
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  Speaker 1: But there were also times where stone Earl was in
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  Speaker 1: the pocket for it felt like four or five seconds
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  Speaker 1: without anyone getting there. Maybe this is one, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this may be one where they just decided we're going
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  Speaker 1: to play it neutral, you know, very vanilla, not really
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  Speaker 1: not throw a lot of stuff on film. You don't
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  Speaker 1: need to get exotic with any of your blitz schemes.
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  Speaker 1: Just try and have your four beat there five.
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  Speaker 2: More or less.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, vanilla is proper term that I would have used
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  Speaker 3: as well. I don't think they did anything really exotic
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  Speaker 3: out there. We didn't see much in that regard. I
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  Speaker 3: think Ohio State knew it could come out just kind
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  Speaker 3: of roll out there and do its thing, and people did,
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  Speaker 3: you know, get a little freaked out when they marched
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  Speaker 3: down and I mean look at the first quarter of
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  Speaker 3: the game, and like the time of possession was just
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  Speaker 3: so out of whack. But that's also because the Ohio
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  Speaker 3: State offense, as Tom said, may have been too explosive
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  Speaker 3: at some points with one and two play drives and
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  Speaker 3: things of that nature. So you know it, again, I'm
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  Speaker 3: looking forward to sitting down and watching the game again
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  Speaker 3: on Sunday or Monday and really kind of you know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe really forming my opinions. But from what I saw
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  Speaker 3: the first time around, no, maybe not their greatest effort,
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  Speaker 3: but again, they didn't necessarily try to do anything that
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  Speaker 3: was out out of their base.
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  Speaker 1: And the first quarter, Marshall had twenty five plays from scrimmage,
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State had six. The score was seven to seven,
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  Speaker 1: but twenty five to six first half.
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  Speaker 2: Look at the time of possession.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, time possession was thirteen oh one for Marshall, one
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  Speaker 1: fifty nine for the buck heist, which that's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: that's gonna be taxing on your defense as well on
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  Speaker 1: a day that was as hot as it was, and
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  Speaker 1: the sideline reporter apparently said it was one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: thirty five or one hundred and forty degrees on the
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  Speaker 1: field or something like that when you were out there
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  Speaker 1: like that's that's why they're rotating these as many guys
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  Speaker 1: as they did, because those are long drives. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the first drive, okay, sure it was a long drive.
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  Speaker 1: After that, they popped one immediately on the to Meka Abuka.
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  Speaker 1: On the second drive, it was two plays and sixty
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  Speaker 1: eight yards or seventy yards in like fifty seconds of
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  Speaker 1: possession time whatever it was. That defense is right back
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  Speaker 1: out there. They have barely had time to get any
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  Speaker 1: gatorade in them, and you know, do any kind of
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  Speaker 1: conversation about Okay, here's how you're going to adjust things.
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  Speaker 2: It's just book right back out there. So they need
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  Speaker 2: to get the iPad on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean there's lots of opportunities if you're
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  Speaker 1: on the sideline, if the your offense has a long drive,
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  Speaker 1: long sustained drive to learn from your things.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't feel like that was the case in the first half.
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  Speaker 1: So so yes, So there's all the problems with the
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State offense.
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  Speaker 2: They scored too quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Long touchdown for Abuca, seventy yards, long touchdown for Jeremiah Smith,
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  Speaker 1: fifty three yards, forty yard run for Trevion Henderson, a
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  Speaker 1: couple of touchdowns for him. Eighty six yard run for
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  Speaker 1: quin Shawn Judkins, a couple touchdowns for him. Quin Jahn
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  Speaker 1: Judkins fourteen carries one hundred and seventy three yards average
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  Speaker 1: twelve point four yards per carrie was not the leading
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  Speaker 1: rusher on the Ohio State team in terms of yards
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  Speaker 1: per carrey because Trevian Henderson had six for seventy six,
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  Speaker 1: two touchdowns twelve point seven yards per carrey for a
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  Speaker 1: team where there was some concern about the offensive line
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  Speaker 1: coming in, Yeah it's Marshall, and you have to sort
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  Speaker 1: of caveat everything with yeah, it's Marshall. But I haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen an Ohio State team that explosive in the run
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  Speaker 1: game in.
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  Speaker 2: Quite a while.
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  Speaker 3: I think they ran for like two seventy three against
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  Speaker 3: Western Michigan if I remember right. But still, this was
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  Speaker 3: this felt much more dominating because of the long runs
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  Speaker 3: that quin Shawn had. You know, quin Shawn there was
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  Speaker 3: one run where he just would.
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  Speaker 2: Not go down.
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  Speaker 3: I mean he got hit and made contact, then somebody
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  Speaker 3: else would hit him and it would like write his
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  Speaker 3: balance and then somebody else would hit him, and I
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  Speaker 3: mean it was just really fun to watch. And then
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  Speaker 3: Trevion Still is shot out of a rocket out there.
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  Speaker 3: I mean he had his forty yarder and then you
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  Speaker 3: throw James Peoples in, who's kind of coming in in
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  Speaker 3: in garbage time in a lot of regards, but I
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  Speaker 3: mean he is making the most out of it. He
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  Speaker 3: is somebody that the way we're talking about Quinn, Shawn
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  Speaker 3: and Trevion right now, we're not far removed from how
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  Speaker 3: we're going to be talking about James Peoples in the future.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, James People's definitely Again it was garbage time. It
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  Speaker 1: was behind i think a largely the second team offensive
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  Speaker 1: line when he was in there, and you had a
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  Speaker 1: pretty good sense, hey, this is probably what's coming.
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  Speaker 2: They're not going to be flinging the ball downfield all
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  Speaker 2: that often.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have Jeremiah Smith on the outside or a
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  Speaker 1: Mecca Abuga or Carnel's hit on the outside to really
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  Speaker 1: take the heat off. And still averaged five point two
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  Speaker 1: yards per carry with a long of nine. So it
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  Speaker 1: was just kind of five and five and four and
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  Speaker 1: nine and just of to.
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  Speaker 3: Steal something from Rutgers.
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  Speaker 2: Keep chopping, Yeah, they did, just keep chopping.
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  Speaker 1: One thing that might make people want to grab an
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  Speaker 1: axe is the Ohio State Special Teams to Kevin.
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  Speaker 2: Boy That was of all the games.
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  Speaker 1: Of Ohio State special teams I have seen. That was
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  Speaker 1: certainly one of them.
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  Speaker 3: Saw somebody trying to say it was like the Yips
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  Speaker 3: after Ohio State kicked three kickoffs out of bounds three
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  Speaker 3: in a row. I mean, I've never seen that. If
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  Speaker 3: you had that on your bingo card, congratulations, but I've
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  Speaker 3: never seen it before. Ryan Day ends up making a
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  Speaker 3: change for the remainder of the game. That was all
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  Speaker 3: in the first half. You know, they bring in somebody else,
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  Speaker 3: it's a little bit smoother at that point. Need to
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  Speaker 3: get jail Jane Fielding right on that. But yeah, I'll
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  Speaker 3: just bring back two words, blast from the past, Parker Fleming.
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  Speaker 1: So and that was Austin Snyder that came in walk
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  Speaker 1: on came in and kicked those had two extra points
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  Speaker 1: and two or three kickoffs in the second half, and
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  Speaker 1: all of them went exactly where they were supposed to do.
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  Speaker 2: So that was that was good And that's you know,
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  Speaker 2: the nice thing.
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  Speaker 1: There is depth on this team if you need it,
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  Speaker 1: if you need to lean on those guys, there is
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  Speaker 1: depth there. There had some adventures in punt returning as well,
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  Speaker 1: where Brandon Nis was having problems looked like with the
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  Speaker 1: sun and muffed one and that would have given Marshall
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  Speaker 1: the ball very deep in Ohio state territory.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, but Marshall was had.
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  Speaker 1: Lined up incorrectly, did not have the correct number of
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  Speaker 1: guys on the line of scrimmage, so it had nothing
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  Speaker 1: to do with the muff, but ended up negating the
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  Speaker 1: play anyway. So just it was just a real rocky
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  Speaker 1: day on special teams, it's only one game. Maybe it's
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  Speaker 1: just you know, maybe you just kind of have to
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  Speaker 1: handwave it and see if it comes, you know, if
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  Speaker 1: this pops up again.
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  Speaker 2: It was a real bright sunny day.
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  Speaker 1: The sun was right where Brandon Innis was looking at
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  Speaker 1: that point. It was just kind of right high over
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  Speaker 1: the scoreboard.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, if you if you've ever chased it,
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  Speaker 3: had a moment with the with the rekick, yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: mean it was not it was not the cleanest return.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you have ever tried to catch a
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  Speaker 1: fly ball right in the sun, you know what it's like.
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  Speaker 2: It's not it's.
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  Speaker 1: One of those things where you can you don't have
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  Speaker 1: a glove, you don't have sunglasses on out there like
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  Speaker 1: you would if you were an outfielder, So you're kind
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  Speaker 1: of dealing with it and you see a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the hand over the eyes, and that only goes so far.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, not a great day for the Ohio State
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  Speaker 1: special team. Not necessarily huge cause for concern, but not great.
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  Speaker 1: So now they're three and oh. They did basically what
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  Speaker 1: they needed to do against the three non conference teams.
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  Speaker 1: You knew it was not a great non conference schedule
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  Speaker 1: coming in. They handled their business. They're three and oh.
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  Speaker 1: Now on the road opening Big Ten play at Michigan State.
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  Speaker 1: This is not an enormous leap forward. This is not,
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  Speaker 1: oh boy, and now you've got slit the difficulty from
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  Speaker 1: JV to Heisman, But you're going from JV to varsity
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  Speaker 1: maybe or varsity to maybe all American varsity varsity to
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  Speaker 1: slightly better varsity.
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  Speaker 3: Well you're going from JV to JV plus now, I
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  Speaker 3: mean in Michigan's it's a little bit better. Jonathan Smith
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  Speaker 3: has brought brought in a lot of talent this offseason.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if we've necessarily seen everything. And then
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  Speaker 3: of course a big, you know, big test for them
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  Speaker 3: is going to be there in the Red Bandana game
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  Speaker 3: against Boston College.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's still still to come.
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  Speaker 1: While we're while we're recording this right now, recording, yes,
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  Speaker 1: as of recording right now. But so yeah, that'll be
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  Speaker 1: that'll be something that we'll have plenty of time to
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