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Joe Rogan Experience _2474 - Dave Smith · NO FILTER

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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  Speaker 3: So, Dave, you were telling me right before the show
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  Speaker 3: that you are now retiring because you got an impromptu
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  Speaker 3: phone call and bet hundreds of millions of dollars on
• 0:23
  Speaker 3: oil prices going down.
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  Speaker 1: Congratulations. It was a good bet. It just wasn't timed right.
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  Speaker 1: I thought you got it in on time.
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  Speaker 2: I thought you got it in like five minutes early.
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  Speaker 1: I did not.
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  Speaker 3: How is there not a massive investigation into that right away?
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  Speaker 3: Didn't someone make like $ 1. 8 billion in like five minutes?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of those, like trades like that
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  Speaker 1: that should be investigated that kind of never are. How about,
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  Speaker 1: what's his name, Lutnik? Yeah, how about that one? So
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  Speaker 1: he's working for the administration and also standing to gain
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: huge if people can sue over the tariffs, right?
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  Speaker 3: Well, explain the whole thing. Do you know the actual
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  Speaker 3: details of it?
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't really know the details.
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  Speaker 3: So essentially he was telling everybody that, you know, don't
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  Speaker 3: sweat it. The tariffs are golden. We're getting them through.
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  Speaker 3: There's going to be no problems.
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  Speaker 1: Is that what it was?
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  Speaker 2: But in the meanwhile, he was shorting the tariffs?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, so he was personally shorting them while promoting them.
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  Speaker 1: Let's find out what that actually is so we don't
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  Speaker 1: get sued. Sure, sure, sure. I bet he's a quite
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  Speaker 1: litigious gentleman. Yeah, he might be. Let's see if we
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  Speaker 1: can find it. Is it wild that people are on
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  Speaker 1: the files, visit the island, and then they still work?
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  Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. Some people had to resign from some jobs. Well,
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  Speaker 1: especially just him because he so, the way, there's something
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  Speaker 1: about a really confident liar. Like where they just, because
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  Speaker 1: I mean that interview clip where he's like, let me
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  Speaker 1: tell you something. I met Jeffrey Epstein that one time.
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  Speaker 1: He had a massage table. He said they were sex
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  Speaker 1: massage tables. I went right back to my wife and
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  Speaker 1: I said, honey. We are never hanging out with Jeffrey
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  Speaker 1: Epstein again. And that is that. Is that really the quote?
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen that. I don't know if it's verbatim,
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  Speaker 1: but that is the exact spirit of it. It's probably
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  Speaker 1: pretty verbatim. Let's listen to it. Listen to it? I'm very,
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  Speaker 1: very close to exactly what he said.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Let me get this one again. What was this one?
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  Speaker 1: Letnick interview about Epstein. And he just sounds so morally
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  Speaker 1: outraged about the idea.
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  Speaker 3: There's so many people that they exist in that world
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  Speaker 3: where you just pretend that you're a different person.
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  Speaker 2: You pretend you're one way.
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  Speaker 1: You pretend you think things differently. I've been up close
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  Speaker 1: with people like that. That was my takeaway from debating
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  Speaker 1: Chris Cuomo. It's a weird thing to see someone just
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  Speaker 1: lie like that. Here it is.
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  Speaker 2: Now this is the one that says he's the greatest
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  Speaker 2: blackmailer ever.
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  Speaker 5: Which quote am I trying to find?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, try to explain it to him.
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  Speaker 1: It was... Let me see the keywords that would... Downplays?
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 1: Downplays relationship with him. That might be it.
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  Speaker 4: There was something on the other thing, but I don't
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  Speaker 4: know what that is.
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  Speaker 1: What does he do? He's a commerce secretary. He was
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  Speaker 1: always like a money finance guy. I think he used
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  Speaker 1: to work for CNBC, if I'm correct.
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  Speaker 2: In this administration, this like... The wolves have taken over
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  Speaker 2: the hen house.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they sure have. This is what draining the
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  Speaker 1: swamp looks like.
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  Speaker 3: Under fire for Epstein ties, Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick defends
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  Speaker 3: visiting his private island.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but this isn't the clip. The clip was from.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, at the top it says, Lutnick said in an
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  Speaker 3: interview last year he was never in the room with
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  Speaker 3: Epstein other than a 2005 visit to his apartment. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: so that's probably it, he said. You know, he met
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  Speaker 3: him once and was like, this guy sucks.
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  Speaker 1: He specifically says that he met him, that he saw
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  Speaker 1: he had a massage table in his living room. And
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  Speaker 1: he goes, hey, Jeffrey, what do you, you really like massages?
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  Speaker 1: And he claims that Jeffrey went, yeah, and the right
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  Speaker 1: kind of massages. And that's when he decided he would
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  Speaker 1: never talk to him again.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody likes the right kind of massages. Those are terrible.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine if those were legal, just hand job massages. There'd
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  Speaker 1: be no relationships. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: How many people are in terrible relationships just because they
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  Speaker 2: need sex? There's a lot of guys who'd be like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just going to hang out with the boys, just
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  Speaker 2: get jerked off once on Wednesday, and I'm good. Howard
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  Speaker 2: Lending downplays relationship with Epstein during Senate testimony.
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  Speaker 1: Testimony, I don't know. Is this it? No, this is
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  Speaker 1: from recently. This is from this year.
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  Speaker 4: I did find an article that kind of– I don't
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  Speaker 4: even know what this website is, though.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if– This old firm did not, in fact,
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  Speaker 3: profit from the Supreme Court tariff ruling.
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  Speaker 5: It says that there was an article claiming it, and
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  Speaker 5: then that's why I was trying to dig through this.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, we better edit that out then.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it was reported, though, that they did, but
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what this says.
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  Speaker 3: It says the firm is run by his two sons.
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  Speaker 3: Elder Lutnick announced the sale of the stake in the
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  Speaker 3: firm and other investors to the Supreme Court on Friday,
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  Speaker 3: invalidated many of Trump's tariffs. The president said, okay, Castor
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  Speaker 3: did not consider the product, which has existed for years,
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  Speaker 3: was humming trade on Wall Street's Trump first-term tariff push,
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  Speaker 3: but decided against it after weighing the political sensitivities. According
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  Speaker 3: to a senior banker familiar with this matter, Cantor spokesman
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  Speaker 3: said the salesman erroneously believed the firm was likely to
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  Speaker 3: greenlight the business.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm missing this. I'm not exactly sure what they're
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  Speaker 2: saying here.
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  Speaker 6: There's a.
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  Speaker 2: This is just the legality of tariffs we're discussing now.
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  Speaker 5: I sent an email that said that they're representing $ 10 million.
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  Speaker 5: I was trying to figure out the accuracy of all
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  Speaker 5: this and whatnot.
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  Speaker 1: So what was the accusation?
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  Speaker 2: The accusation was that he had shorted tariffs while claiming
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  Speaker 2: that tariffs.
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  Speaker 1: Are going to work. Yeah, the accusation was that he
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  Speaker 1: stood to make a lot of money from tariffs being
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  Speaker 1: struck down.
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  Speaker 3: Why don't you put that into perplexity, Jamie, and find
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  Speaker 3: out if that's accurate, and let it scour the internet
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  Speaker 3: instead of us doing it.
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  Speaker 1: Gotta love AI. Yeah, it is something. I can't wait
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  Speaker 1: until it takes over government.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be awesome.
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  Speaker 1: After a while, you're like, I don't know if it
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  Speaker 1: could be much worse than what humans are doing with government.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be better.
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  Speaker 2: It's not going to be greedy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, as long as it determines that human life is valuable,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it's really the big— Which humans? So,
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  Speaker 1: let's be honest. You know, some homeless guy is taking
• 6:31
  Speaker 1: a shit on your Jaguar. Is that guy really valuable? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but to AI, we all might be homeless guys taking
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  Speaker 1: a shit.
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  Speaker 3: Did you see that there was these San Francisco tech guys,
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  Speaker 3: and they got trapped in their Waymo because a homeless
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  Speaker 3: guy started attacking the Waymo and yelling at them, why
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  Speaker 3: are you paying robots?
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  Speaker 1: No. Yeah, you're a traitor. You're paying robots. You're paying
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  Speaker 1: the robots. The homeless guy was upset about this?
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  Speaker 2: The homeless guy was attacking the Waymo. The tech guys
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  Speaker 2: were in the Waymo.
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  Speaker 1: We were terrified for our life. We feared our safety.
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  Speaker 2: Because they're being attacked by a crazy person who's saying
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  Speaker 2: you shouldn't be giving money to robots.
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  Speaker 1: That's an uncomfortable position to be in.
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  Speaker 2: I get all my information from the Tim Dillon Show,
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  Speaker 2: by the way.
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  Speaker 3: But they did play a clip. It's not the worst
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  Speaker 3: source of information. It's the best source. Him and that dude,
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  Speaker 3: what's his name?
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  Speaker 2: James Lee.
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  Speaker 1: He's our other number one source of information.
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  Speaker 2: Conspiracy theorist.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: There you go.
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  Speaker 3: But another one, a Waymo gal got in, and there's
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  Speaker 3: a fucking homeless guy in the trunk. Because apparently the
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  Speaker 3: last person, when they left their Waymo, they opened the
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  Speaker 3: trunk to get their luggage out, and they never closed it.
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  Speaker 3: So the homeless guy hopped into their fucking Waymo.
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  Speaker 1: And closed it on himself. It was in the trunk.
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  Speaker 1: So she orders a Waymo. She climbs in. There's a
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  Speaker 1: homeless guy in the trunk. And Waymo's like, that's unacceptable. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: you think? Oh, you think?
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: The main claim is that Cantor Fitzgerald, Howard Letnick's former
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  Speaker 3: firm now chaired by his son, stood to profit by
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  Speaker 3: buying tariff refund rights that only became valuable if Trump's
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  Speaker 3: tariffs were overturned.
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  Speaker 2: But the firm.
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  Speaker 3: Insists it ultimately did not execute those trades. What critics
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  Speaker 3: say happened. Investigators and reporting notably by WIRED described Cantor
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  Speaker 3: Fitzgerald exploring a business where it would buy the rights
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  Speaker 3: to future tariff refunds from importers for about 20 or
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  Speaker 3: 30 cents on the dollar. Internal material cited in those
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  Speaker 3: reports suggested Cantor had capacity to trade several hundred million
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  Speaker 3: dollars of these refund rights and had already facilitated at
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  Speaker 3: least one trade of around $ 10 million in rights under
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  Speaker 3: the IEEPA tariffs. The idea was that if courts later
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  Speaker 3: struck down the tariffs, the government would have to refund
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  Speaker 3: duties and Cantor or its clients would collect the full
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  Speaker 3: refund while the original importers only kept a small upfront payment.
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  Speaker 1: So why is this seen as a conflict? Is it true?
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  Speaker 1: So it does say that they executed on one, right?
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  Speaker 1: Didn't it say that? Scroll back up.
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  Speaker 4: That was based off that email.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It says internal material cited in those reports suggested Cantor
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  Speaker 3: had capacity to trade and had already facilitated at least
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  Speaker 3: one trade of around $ 10 million in rights.
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  Speaker 2: That's only $ 10 million.
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  Speaker 1: Let it go, Dave. That is small potatoes for what
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about. For those guys.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: For these kind of guys. Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 3: What Cantor and Letnick's side say. Cantor Fitzgerald has publicly
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  Speaker 3: stated that while some salespeople explored, I like that in quotes,
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  Speaker 3: Brokering tariff refund rates in 2025, the firm never executed
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  Speaker 3: any transactions or taken any position on tariff refund claims,
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  Speaker 3: calling contrary reports false. Follow-up recording has echoed that Cantor
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  Speaker 3: considered products tied to the Supreme Court tariff ruling, but
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  Speaker 3: ultimately backed off, in part because of the political optics, duh,
• 9:51
  Speaker 3: that's a big duh, around Letnick's government job. Latest coverage
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  Speaker 3: is no public evidence that Cantor actually booked profits from
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  Speaker 3: this strategy, though the investigations in Congress are ongoing and
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  Speaker 3: focus on whether there was any attempted or potential profiteer.
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  Speaker 1: Are you more.
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  Speaker 3: Interested in the ethics conflicts of interest or the nuts
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  Speaker 3: and bolts of how the secondary tariff refund market works financially?
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  Speaker 1: No. So it seems like we don't really have evidence. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it'll be interesting. I mean, if, which is probably going
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  Speaker 1: to happen, but the Democrats take the House and the
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  Speaker 1: Senate in the midterm elections this year. I mean, they're
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: going to be, that'll just be the next two years
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: of politics will be investigations and subpoenas.
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  Speaker 3: Some Democrat lady just over, she just took over the
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  Speaker 3: seat in Trump's neighborhood where Mar-a-Lago is.
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  Speaker 1: So a Democrat lady just won.
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  Speaker 5: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, they're going to, yeah. I mean, look, they,
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: in his first term, they impeached him twice for absolute bullshit.
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  Speaker 1: So they'll go after him for anything. But I have
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  Speaker 1: a feeling now there's probably a lot more for them
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  Speaker 1: to investigate and work on stuff like this and the
• 10:59
  Speaker 1: meme coin stuff and, you know, whatever business deal, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't have the details at the top
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  Speaker 1: of my mind, but I do know that they said
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: at one point that Jared Kushner would not be involved
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: in in this administration at all because he does so
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  Speaker 1: much business over there. And it's just like, so they
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: were like, oh, no, no, no, he won't. But now
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  Speaker 1: he totally is. It's him and Witkoff are like the
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: lead negotiators in this too. So just a lot of
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  Speaker 1: meat on the bone for Democrats to make big political
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  Speaker 1: theater out of for the next two years. Is there
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  Speaker 1: anywhere that's not corrupt?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, when we look at the insider trading in Congress,
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  Speaker 3: when you look at all these slimy deals that get
• 11:37
  Speaker 3: made with NGOs, You look at every, it's like everything's dirty.
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: There's not one part of government, you're like, right there.
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  Speaker 1: They nailed it. Yeah, well, that is true. Like maybe
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: the post office. That's, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Post office is pretty fucking good, dude.
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, compared to all the rest of it, sure.
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  Speaker 3: You can get a letter moved across the whole country
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  Speaker 3: for like, what is it, like 30 cents?
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  Speaker 1: How much is a stamp these days? That's true. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you include the cost on the
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: back end, like the taxes that pay for the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it's a little more expensive. But relatively speaking, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Relatively speaking. You can get something done. It's not a
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: bad organization. Sure.
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: In terms of government organizations, you never hear, except going postal.
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  Speaker 2: That used to be a thing.
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  Speaker 1: Remember those days? Yes, I do.
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  Speaker 3: There was a while where so many post officers went
• 12:24
  Speaker 3: so crazy and started shooting people that they started calling
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: it going postal. But it never, it just went away.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Young people, if you're listening to this and you don't
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: know what we're talking about, in our day, we didn't
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  Speaker 1: have school shootings. Okay. We had to do it the
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: old fashioned way. You had to drive a postman crazy
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: until he went around shooting people. And it happened several
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: times to the point that that became a thing. Like
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: these crazy postal workers.
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: There was a video game called Postal where you run
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: around shooting people.
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: It was in the, I want to say the 90s. Yeah,
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: that would be about the time period.
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  Speaker 5: The first one came out in 97?
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and it was highly criticized.
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  Speaker 2: They were like, weren't they like cartoon-looking characters? Can you
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: see if you pull up a video of Postal?
• 13:04
  Speaker 3: It was like, they're like South Park-looking characters, just blasted people.
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  Speaker 3: So it felt like less, if I remember correctly, or
• 13:11
  Speaker 3: maybe that's the box.
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  Speaker 2: I never played it. Maybe I played it.
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, this is new stuff. This is going Postal?
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 5: Pissing everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: This looks way better than 1990s, dude.
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  Speaker 1: This was in the 90s for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Is this the new postal?
• 13:24
  Speaker 5: Here's what it looked like.
• 13:26
  Speaker 4: There might have been a newer version right there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Jesus.
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: You just run around jacking people. Yeah. So it was
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: like the first Grand Theft Auto, really. Kind of.
• 13:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, Grand Theft Auto came out around then, too, actually.
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  Speaker 4: It didn't look like this then, though.
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  Speaker 2: But real weird, though, right? That post office workers were
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  Speaker 2: just killing.
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  Speaker 1: A bunch of people. That's what it looked like. Like that. Okay.
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: This is what it looked like. It didn't look like
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  Speaker 3: that other thing. It was like, it wasn't a first
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: person thing. It was like you're seeing it from above
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  Speaker 3: and you're just running around killing everybody.
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  Speaker 4: I played a postal though that wasn't first person like that.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they had more versions of it.
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  Speaker 4: Also, I don't want to show it because I don't
• 14:04
  Speaker 4: know what's, there could be some bad stuff on there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably. Dude, video games really are like crack. They're
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: a problem. I loved your, you had a rant about
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: that years ago about how like the problem is that
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: they're so much fun and you're not accomplishing anything. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: The last video game I got into was UFC 3.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: And I loved that game. I just loved it. And then, like,
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: I think it was I got married. My wife got pregnant.
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, I got to get
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: rid of this. I just can't. So I was at
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: the Dojo of Comedy. It was a club in New Jersey.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: Great club. They have an L.A. one, too. Oh, do they? Okay.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: Sam Tripoli.
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Sam. Yeah. So I was at the
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: one in Jersey. And they have in the green rooms.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: They have UFC 3. And I was like, oh, that's
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: the game that I got really into. So I was
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: there for a weekend. And I mean, I just the
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: whole time I was there just in the green room
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  Speaker 1: playing this video game. And I was like, it was
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: like a feeling almost like. like a drug addict who's
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: around their drug of choice where I was like, I
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: need to be away from that. Like I will play
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: this until I kill myself. It's so much fun.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: It's a problem.
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: Robbie Lawler fighting, you know, whoever and just.
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: And they keep getting better.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Well, I didn't, I stopped at that.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: So I never even like learned how to play the
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: new ones, but I'm like, I can't. What number UFC
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: game are they at now?
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: Five, I think.
• 15:23
  Speaker 6: Five.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: The graphics keep getting better. The movement keeps getting more natural.
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: And first-person shooters, man.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Who was the, was it Joe Lozon,
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: I want to say? Was that, was the guy, 155 guy,
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: really good grappler? Wasn't his thing like he was obsessed
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: with video games and then he went, I got to
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: just do something else instead of this. So he just
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: did jujitsu. And then he just got like amazing at jujitsu.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: I swear I think that was his story. Is that
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: really what happened? I could be misremembering this, but I
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: swear I heard him talk about this in an interview once.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: And that there was just like, I just played video
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: games all day, all night. And then eventually I was like,
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: I got to do something productive with this. And so
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: he just started doing jujitsu instead.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: I wonder what he's up to these days. He was
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: a fun guy.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: He was a fun fighter to watch.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: Fun dude like in person too.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: Him and his brother used to beat the fuck out
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: of each other on the yard, like in the front yard.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: They would have like full on MMA fights, like full power.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: They'd just beat the piss out of each other in
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: the front yard.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: I was like, boys.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: Save it.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Like, whale on each other. It's crazy. That's a young
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: man's game. They had, like, a bunch of guys hanging around.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: It looked like it was a picnic or something like that.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: They decided, let's spice this picnic up. You and me fight, motherfucker.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: And they would fight. Like, fight, fight. But all across
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: this country, there are boys fighting in their yard, and
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: that was the highest level of yard fighting. I mean,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: that was top 1%. Oh, that was vicious. Get two, like,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: legit MMA professionals.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, two legit MMA professionals are mad at each other
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: because they're in the house with each other all the time.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Shut the fuck. You didn't fucking do that. You were
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: supposed to put that shit away. Yeah, yeah. That was, uh...
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: You ate my food. Yeah. They both ended up being
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: real fun fighters to watch. Oh, yeah, yeah. Joe was awesome.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: He was a great fighter. Yeah, he had a lot
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: of fights in the UFC, too.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Yep. And I think it got to.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: You know, how many years was he in?
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: God, I want to say he was at least in
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: the UFC for like around a decade. He was, yeah,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: he had a pretty long career. Yeah. Because he was fighting,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, he fought, I don't know. I mean, he
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: fought like the whole, like I think when he started
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: was like BJ Penn era of lightweight. And then he
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: fought into like Anthony Pettis was the champion. Yeah, but
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: pull up Lozon's Wikipedia and find.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Out when he retired.
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: Well, his first fight was September 23, 2006, and I
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: think his last fight was 2019.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Wow. That's crazy.
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: 2019.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Some of these guys just don't want to stop.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: It's just too fun.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: It's a very hard job to keep going for a while.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Maybe the hardest.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: You know, like on your body.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Other than football. There's a lot of those guys.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: In the NFL. They only last a couple of years. Yeah,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: for sure.
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• 18:47
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, that's a real tough one, but there's nothing... Well,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I guess, like, professional football, there's a similar aspect to where, like,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: you're not just... I mean, look, you can go to
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: the hospital from basketball. You know, you can get hurt
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: and get a bad injury, but... The NFL or the UFC,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: you kind of like, you know, every time you go
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: into it, like there's a very reasonable chance you're leaving
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: here on a stretcher to go to the hospital. But
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: particularly with MMA, it's the most unforgiving sport where like you,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: you're one mistake, one mistake away from like, you know,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: like if LeBron James misses a wide open layup, he
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: runs back on defense and tries to, you know, get
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: a block or something on the next play. But in MMA,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: you could be dominating, fighting a perfect fight, make one mistake,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, you're unconscious now. Maybe in four months.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Leon Edwards, Kamaru Usman. Yeah. Perfect example. Yep.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Kamaru's way ahead in the fight.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: It's in the fifth round.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: I think there's like 20 seconds to go or something crazy.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: And Leon just plants one.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: A perfect head kick. And John Anik makes the perfect call.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Something had been said about him maybe deciding to quit.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: And then John Anik says, but that is not the
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: cloth from which he was cut. Boom, head kick knockout.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: It's like, come on, man. Is this real?
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: One of the most amazing... MMA championship knockouts ever. Oh, ever, ever.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: And then just his post-fight speech, look at me now!
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Look at me now! And then comes back and wins
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: the rubber match. Yeah. Which was, like, it's an interesting
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: thing how much, you know, like, first off, like, getting
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: knocked out cold like that, and you know better than me, but, like,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: that does a number to your body. Like, that's not... Psychologically. Well,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: psychologically and also, I think, physically... And then also just
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: like the confidence that that gave Leon Edwards going into
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the next fight.
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Like just changes everything now. Yeah.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Kamaru had to be very careful because he knew at
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: any– I mean he dodged most of the big ones
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: until the big one landed.
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: So in his head in that fight he had a narrative.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: And that narrative completely changed with one head kick. So
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: going into the next fight the narrative is now if
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: you fuck up you will be unconscious. You can't get
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: knocked unconscious again. And he fought much more cautiously in
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: the second fight.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I remember seeing that with, I felt like you could
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: watch that when Dustin Poirier fought Conor McGregor the second time. Like,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: you know, McGregor had knocked him out years earlier. And
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: you could kind of see, you know, like, you could
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: see Dustin, I'm not saying like he was nervous or anything.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: He's like one of the greatest fighters ever. But you
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: could kind of just see, like, he gets in there
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: and he starts, and he takes a couple shots from Conor.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: And he's still there. And then he lands a couple shots,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and you could see in that first round his confidence growing.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: You almost got to get that out of your head.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: That it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that guy beat you
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: back then, but you're a different guy now.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Well, with Conor, it's all about weathering the initial storm.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: The initial storm is crazy. He's so explosive, so fast,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: so accurate. And then another part about that second fight,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: was Dustin setting up those calf kicks. Specifically because both
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: of those guys fight southpaw. And when you both fight southpaw,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: if you're a southpaw like Dustin, a lot of times
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: the calf kick's not really available. Like you have to
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: throw it with a switch. Or it doesn't have the
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: same sort of potential. It's a slightly different potential when
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: you're exchanging it in combinations. But with Conor, it was
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: wide open because Conor has two things going on.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: One, he's a southpaw. Also.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: He had just gotten off the Floyd Mayweather fight. He's
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: very boxing heavy. Not just, but a while back. But
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: he had really concentrated on striking with his hands. His
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: hands were elite. So because of that, your stance is
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: a little wider and you're putting a little bit more
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: weight on your legs. And he always had a wide
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: stance anyway. He had that karate stance. The craziest thing
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: about that is the calf kick really didn't become a
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: big deal even until Conor.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Was a superstar.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Like, it was after that.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: That's how recent it is. Yeah, it's very strange that
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: that was almost like a thing that didn't get figured
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: out until so recently. And then just totally changed everything. Like,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: at this point, you rarely, not saying you never see it,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: but you pretty rarely see guys, kick guys in the
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: thigh anymore. No, but I mean, like, compared to what
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: it used to be, where it used to be like,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: that was what a leg kick was for many years
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: in MMA. And now it's, I'd say, like, the majority
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: of leg kicks are targeting the calf. Like you'll see
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: almost like a thigh kick, almost just to switch it
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: up a little bit. These guys got really good at
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: taking those.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you got really good at being conditioned. And, you know,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: we also saw a few leg breaks, right? We saw
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: the Anderson Silva one. We saw the Chris Weidman one.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: There's been a few leg breaks from guys just full power,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: leg kicking the thigh, and then someone just lifts up
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: their knee a little bit and takes it on the–
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: right where the shin bone meets the kneecap is where
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: they like to catch it.
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Boy, I've seen way too many of those. I've seen
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: a bunch in person, but because of the internet, I've
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: seen dozens and dozens of small promotions where a guy
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: throws that kick wrong really hard, and the guy checks it,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: and his fucking foot just wraps around the leg, and
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: you see it dangling there.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: You're like, oh, no.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I've seen a bunch.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: You recognize the thing. That injury is so recognizable. I've
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: seen it so many times now.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I see it.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I just go, oh, it's going to wrap around the calf.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna flop he's gonna fall down.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I've seen it several times on internet videos and in
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: UFC fights I've only once seen a guy continue to
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: talk shit about the other guy after from the ground
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Which is the crazy shit ever dude everyone else I've
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: seen is like crying I know in pain and Connors
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: talking about your wife Yeah, he asked me to come
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: and sit down with him and do a podcast I
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: He's an animal. I mean, the dude's one of a kind.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: He's one of a kind.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: That's for sure.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: He apparently made a post on his Instagram saying he's back.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: And if it's true, that would be awesome. That would
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: be awesome.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: The idea is his.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Suspension for whatever he took before is up. So, yay.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: What was it? Something, I think it was Douglas Murray
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: when he wrote that article about me.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: He said, Mr.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Confidence Returns. To save fighting again. Call your grandma. Nanny,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: we did it. Watch and pay me. Fuck you, pay me.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: You fat Irish prick. You don't have my money. I
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: put your brain to sleep.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Who's that? What's that about?
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Who's he talking about? C is in the casinos after
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: the Mac loves yous all.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I got love for yous. It's an all.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: It's an honor.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: It's light work. It's easy. For life and eternity. It's McGregor.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: How drunk was he when he wrote this?
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I do this fight game easy peasy.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: The sound of my shots off the head go bing
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: in green dot laser form.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Okay. Well, I really hope he is actually back.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I hope it's true.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: It'd be fun to see him fight a few more times.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: It'd be a lot of fun to see him again.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Greatest personality the sport's ever known.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: There's no one even close. I mean, he's the most
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: dynamic personality the sport's ever known.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: And he was, for a time there, just such an
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: unbelievable fighter. I mean, he was like just, it was
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: incredible what he was doing.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Danny Alvarez fight.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was there. I was there. Well, thanks
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: to you. Really good seats, thanks to you. But that
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: was one of the best, that might be the best
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: fight I've ever been to live because that whole card
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: was just stacked and that as the main event was
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: just unbelievable.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: He was in the matrix. He was in the matrix.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: He was just in the zone. You know, Dana said
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: it best. He's like, that kid eats pressure. He goes,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: he eats it.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: He thrives on pressure. Pressure that makes other people wilt,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: he shines under that pressure.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: And he had an amazing ability, even very early in
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: his career, which was kind of, it was really unique.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Because even on his first fight ever, if you watch
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: his first fight in the UFC against Brimage, I think
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: the guy's name is. And he was relatively unknown at
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: the time. But dude, the place is going nuts. He
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: already had made so much kind of like street cred
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: for himself, and then the Irish thing, like the Irish
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: were really, really into it. But from the very first fight,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: he would always create these moments where it's like, dude,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: this is gonna be the biggest spectacle that you, my opponent,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: has ever been in in their career. Like, I'm gonna
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: get you mad with shit talking. I'm gonna get the
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: fans so excited. because he's completely comfortable there. I'm not
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: sure if you're really comfortable here. And even with Aldo,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: who had been the entire division, literally when they started
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: the division, they started him as champion. He didn't even
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: win it. He came in because they absolved the WEC.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: So he was the entire featherweight division, had just dominated everyone,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: and he even created such a moment that like, Aldo
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: was like he was the boogeyman.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: He was incredible He's one of the greatest featherweights of
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: all time But he got him to the point where
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: she was like so furious He was like I'm gonna
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: take this fucking guy's head off and then Connor's just
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: like relaxed Yeah, like like he didn't care about any
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: of the shit talking. Yeah, like yeah, we're having fun.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Let's play.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: He lost his composure Yeah, and he looked he looked
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: very overwhelmed by the moment and oh and by the way, I.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Everyone from Ireland came to Vegas for that fight.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: It was the nuttiest thing I've ever seen in my
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: fucking life the entire Mandalay Bay was overcome with Irish
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: people I mean Overcome like you couldn't move there was
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: nothing but Irish people everywhere and they were singing They
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: were all singing together in the halls of this gigantic
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: casino packed bump like they're.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Waiting in line for something and And they were just
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: there partying for Conor.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I remember, I think it was when, I want to
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: say it was when. Like, look at all these people. Yeah,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: it was nuts, dude.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Bro, this is nuts, man.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: They were all Irish people.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Like, you got to realize, nobody had a following like him. Like,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: this is actually Irish people for the Floyd Mayweather fight.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: They were still ride or die with him, even for
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: that fight.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I think it was when he fought Dennis Seaver, I
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: want to say.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I think that was in Boston.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: So I went with Louis J. Gomez, my good friend,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: hilarious comedian. And me and him went to some Irish bar.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: We just happened to be in midtown Manhattan. And we
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: were like, oh, the fights are coming on. Oh, they're
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: playing it at this bar. It was just like an
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Irish pub. And dude, I mean, it wasn't even that
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: big of a bar. They must have, I mean, it
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: was shoulder to shoulder Irish people losing their fucking minds.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Like it was the most fun environment to watch a
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: fight in because they're just at, I mean, they're just like,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: but all that. singing and chanting, it seemed like everyone
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: had an Irish flag with them. It was this in
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: a little bar. It was this. That's nuts, man. Look
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: at that.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: That's Mandalay Bay.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Look at this. Oh, that's MGM.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Well, they were everywhere.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: They were probably at every fucking casino there was. This
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: is crazy. Imagine if you're from Northern Ireland.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: And you still remember the troubles.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: You're making your way to the hotel.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Just came to Vegas for a little gambling. You don't
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: follow MMA. You have no fucking idea.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: What's this all about? I have picked the wrong fucking
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: week for me vacation.
• 30:28
  Speaker 8: By the way, I was going to say that Douglas
• 30:33
  Speaker 8: Murray's big knock on me when he wrote his op-ed
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: in the New York Post was he goes, he goes,
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: you know, Dave goes on Joe Rogan and he talks
• 30:38
  Speaker 8: about foreign policy like he's an expert, but I bet
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: he wouldn't go in there and talk MMA with him
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: because then Joe would recognize he's not an expert.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: And I was like, Almost every time we hang out
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: we end up talking MMA and like it probably is
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: fair that yeah There'll be moments where you'll correct me
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: if I get something wrong. So what but if I
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: get it, right? Yeah, you don't go that you're not
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: an expert dump Imagine we don't talk about MMA because
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: you're not an expert. I don't know silly. Well, I
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: watch a lot of it I have some thoughts. Why
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: is he so silly?
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: I love Douglas. I really do. I've enjoyed talking to him.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: I think he's a brilliant man. But I was very
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: disappointed with– You've never been? I'm very disappointed with that
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: sort of strategy that you shouldn't be talking about these
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: things that are factual. But even more disappointed with that notion,
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: the notion that like you would never talk about MMA
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: with me. Do you think we would– first of all,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: I don't think I argue about MMA with anybody. I
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: don't think anybody, if someone has a point about MMA,
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: I don't, I never argue.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: I might say, you've corrected me when I've gotten things wrong. Yeah.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Or I might say, I just like somebody, some people
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: think that a certain thing is going to happen. And
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Ooh, I.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Don't see that. I disagree. That happens. Sure. Yeah. But well,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: also like it's whatever point you're making is either a
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: good point or it's not a good point. If it's
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: like an objective claim, you know what I mean? So like,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: if I, if I say like a, You know, when
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Volkanovski fought Lopez, his jab was crucial. Okay, that's either
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: correct or it's incorrect. Like, whether I'm an expert or not,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not an expert on fighting. But, geez, you can
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: watch the fight and that would be correct. Yes, right.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: You can see it's right. I saw he hit a
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: home run. You're right. You're not an expert. That's crazy. Well,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: you know, it was a weird thing during that show
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: was– because it's a weird, I don't know, there's like
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: weird incentives built into like.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: All of this.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Incentives are the right word because there's a lot of
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: people that are saying things and you go, why are
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: you saying that?
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, also from my perspective, I was a little
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: disappointed with it because I kind of thought, I was like, oh,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: this could be like a really cool thing. And it
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: had been literally, which I don't think I'm saying anything
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: that is like betraying confidence here, but The only thing
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: that was ever said to me, I remember you called
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: me and you were like, what do you think about
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: doing this? And I think I said yes before you
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: could finish answering. Absolutely, let's do that. And then you
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: told me that he had said, hey, he really doesn't
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: want this to devolve into like a food fight. He
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: wants to make this like a good faith thing. And
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, awesome. And now I feel like
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: he like Trump Whitcoff negotiated me. Like he's, he was,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: cause then he came in and the whole thing was
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: about me. He didn't want to talk about the issues
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: at all. He just wanted. And so in a weird way,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, this sucks. Cause I thought we
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: could have had a really cool thing. But then there
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: was this other part of me that was like, I mean,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: he's really just handing this to me. You know what
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I mean? Like he kind of just like, gave me
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: the win in a thing that was a big show
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: with a lot of people I knew were gonna watch it.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, every time I do your show, a
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna watch it, but that was
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: a particularly big one. And so I was kinda, almost
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: like for the first 45 minutes of it, I was
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: kinda sitting there like, oh, I can't believe he just,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: he went this route.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Well, if you look at it objectively, there weren't a
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: lot of options, right? It's very difficult to argue the
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: side that what they're doing, like we were talking about
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Gaza in particular.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Arguing that that's not horrific.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: If you're a human being and you recognize that there
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: are human beings that are subjected to that government, just
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: like you're subjected to ICE, you're subjected to Homeland Security, you're.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Subjected to the cops.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: If you're a civilian... You have to listen to these orders.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: So if you're living in Gaza and you're a child
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: or you're a woman and you live– you're not Hamas, OK?
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: And the idea that you're responsible for October 7th, even
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: if you're one of the people that cheered in the street, boy,
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: don't you think you kind of have to cheer in
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: the street if everybody else is cheering in the street?
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: If you're fucking in terror for your life and you
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: have to like– Keep your safety intact and like you
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: got to kind of go along with whatever everybody else
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: is doing I'm not saying it's that's good. But when
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: you look at how that place is Leveled I mean
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: the most recent videos that I've seen we're still like
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: a few months old So I don't know if it
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: stopped did they stop bombing?
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: No, they've slowed down a bit, but they haven't stopped.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, so there was nothing left, man. And that represents
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: people's homes. That represents schools. That represents hospitals.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: There's no way you can argue that that's not horrific.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: So he was stuck.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. It's kind of indefensible. And so
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: instead you pivot to arguing against this guy rather than
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: against the issue. Well, I think that, you know, it's in,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I can't remember if this was in the letter to
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: America or this was in his declaration of war against America,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: but Osama bin Laden- literally said that civilians are fair
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: targets because you guys have elections and you vote for
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: these politicians and they're the ones who conduct these wars
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: that slaughter innocent Muslims. So just saying, it's the logic
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: of Osama bin Laden to say that civilians are responsible
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: for what, and in Gaza, they don't even really have
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: a government. Hamas is not a government. They don't have
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: regular elections. They had one election. back in 05 or
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: 06 or whatever it was, which Hamas did not even
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: win majorities of. They won on pluralities, you know what
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I mean? And so the idea that you're holding these
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: people responsible for Hamas just doesn't make any sense. And
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: just on a very basic human level, you just kind
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: of go, and I'm not like an egalitarian, I'm not
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: saying all people are equal or all cultures are equal
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: or anything like that. But on a very basic human level,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: those are real people too. And when a mother is
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: pulling her six-year-old dead body out of the rubble, that's
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: the same exact experience as if your wife was pulling
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: your six-year-old out of there. That same thing is happening
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: to her. And once you even just admit that, it
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: does just change the calculation. It changes the calculation to
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: be like, okay, look, the onus is on you to
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: demonstrate that this is absolutely necessary. There is no other
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: option than to do it this way. And that makes
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: defending most wars very difficult. Not all of them, you know,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: but most wars are very difficult to defend if you
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: just run it through that filter of like, is there
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: any other option other than this? Have you exhausted everything else?
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: And then, of course, in the case with Israel and Palestine,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: you go, oh, you never even tried to just give
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: them their independence? You've never tried to just let them
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: out from this occupation and see if maybe that will
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: improve things? And the answer is no.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: It is kind of crazy that the world didn't, at
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: one point in time, stand up and say, there's a
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: simple solution here.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Like, these people should have a state.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Like, why do you get to control them, but they're
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: not Israeli? Like, they're kind.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Of a country, but not really, because they're attached to you.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Why don't you.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Guys go buy another country and give it to them
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: and let them have a country?
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Or they don't like being attached on the same small
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: patch of dirt. To people that have a totally different ideology.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I guess. Well, that's right. And that... Look, I mean,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: it's just... But we are. Yeah.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: We have Canadians right there.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, but Canadians do get citizenship in their own country.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: They get citizenship here, too. Boy, that's the last thing
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: ICE is looking for is fucking Canadians.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Although your visa's expired.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Don't worry about it, buddy. Get on the plane.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: They'd probably have a much easier time. Like Canadians would go,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: all right, guess I gotta go.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Also, they can just... ditch the accent and pretend they're
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Americans and everybody will buy it. Yeah. As long as
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: they don't say about wrong. Yeah.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: You know, they could just say, ah, sorry, I don't
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: have my license on me.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Like, okay, buddy, where are you from? I live in Iowa. Okay.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Sounds right. That does check it out. Get out of here.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: All right. Shit. That does check out. Do you see
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: the shit that's going on in the airports?
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: So are they using, they're using ice now at the airports?
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Because first of all, how many ice agents are there?
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Aren't they busy? How do you have time to put
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: them in all the airports? How many fucking airports are there?
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: It's in the low tens of thousands. There's not that
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: many of them.
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: So, like, how many airports are there? There's a lot
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: of airports. Okay, so you're putting ice in the airports.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Where are you getting all these ice guys? Are you
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: hiring new ice guys to take the airport jobs? Like,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: is this, like, it takes seven weeks to train them. So,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: do they have, like, a surplus of, like, an ice
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: factory where they're churning them out and putting them out there?
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: I heard.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: So, I didn't see any of them. I flew out
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: here the other day. And I didn't see any of them,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: but then I did see people saying that they were
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: at the airport I flew out from later that day.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Up to 150.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: That's not a lot.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers were deployed at airports across
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: the United States on Monday. So, of course, you know,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: you get on social media. Somebody sends you something. Somebody
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: sent me something. I'm not sure if it was true.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: But it was like, look at the.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Difference between the lines at the airport before ICE was there.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: and after ICE was there, and tell me that only
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: 10 million illegal aliens got in.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: They're like, what is the real, we were talking about
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: this last night, like, what's the real number?
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: What is the real number of illegals in the United States?
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: You were saying something about Ann Coulter?
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: And this was from a while ago, so this was, well,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: she had in her book, Adios America, she had, I
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: believe it was from Bear Stearns, I could be wrong,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: double check me on that, was one of the big
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: finance companies, that they had put a thing where they
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: put it between 30 and 50 million. total in the country. Jeez.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: And 50 is wild.
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: And this is before Joe Biden. Now, I don't know. Really?
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Maybe they got those numbers wrong.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: This is before Biden. So what year was this book?
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: I want to say 2014, 2015. Oh, my God.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: That's 10 years ago. Yeah. A lot of them have
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: come in since then.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Well, at least 10 million, they believe, came in through
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: the Biden administration. So over four years.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Well, I remember the numbers being like during the Biden
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: administration where they'd be like, it was something like last month.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: there were 700,000 border apprehensions. And you're like, well, jeez,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: then how many were just flooding? And you'd see those
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: big caravans coming in and stuff. I mean, look, it's
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: a huge, that still is a huge scandal. And as
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: much as I have really been really criticizing Trump and
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: the Trump administration since last summer, you know, he's done
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: a good job in securing the border. That is the
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: one thing that, like, you kind of gotta give him.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: And he got that secured, like, right away.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: But it is.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Even if you think that it should be open and
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: those people should be able to travel freely, they should.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: There's no one's illegal on stolen land, that kind of shit.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: You know how much sex trafficking happened during that time
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: of children? You know how many children were trafficked that way?
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: You know how many children were dragged across the border
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: and sold to.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Psychopaths? Oh, yeah. Oh, it's horrible. I mean, I saw, oh,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: there's Ann Coulter with at least 15.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: At least 50 million illegals in the country today. See
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: my book, Adios America, for the analysis from Pulitzer Prize
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: winning reporters and numbers crunchers from Bear Stearns.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I was right. It was Bear Stearns.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: This is 2022, this post.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: The book is even older, though.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: The book is like, the book is from before, I
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: want to say 2015, but it's around then, is crazy.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Supposedly, this is the book that got Donald Trump on
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: the immigration issue. At least I've heard Ann Coulter say
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: that before. Maybe that's right. Maybe that's not right. But
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's like it's also a particularly it's
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: a it's a profound like act of of treachery for
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: a government to do that to its own benefit. Like
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: to allow that and really facilitate that to happen against
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: the will of the domestic population. Like if you were
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: to I've tried to look this up before. I was
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: trying to figure this out because I did a big
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: immigration debate last year or maybe the year before. And
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I was trying, you can't even get numbers on what
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: the polling on open borders is, because no one even
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: asked the question in polling, because it's like, they asked like,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: do you think immigration policy should be less restrictive or
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: more restrictive? Because the number of people who support open borders,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: it's like maybe 1% of the country supports that. It's
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: as unified an issue as anyone could have. No, you
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: can't just have the border wide open. And so to
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: do that to the American people against the, like, You
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: you drastically change the country in a way that is
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: not really it's not easy to just undo. I mean,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: as we've seen, right, Donald Trump backed off of mass
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: deportations almost immediately because big business doesn't want it. And
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: then because look like the level of violence that you'd
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: need to just physically deport 50 million people is going
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: to be something that the American people just aren't going
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: to put up with. I mean, you even see in
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Minnesota and rightfully so. I completely understand that. But you see, like,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: you know, I saw one thing. I saw that Trump
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: had asked the ICE agents who were going to the
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: airports to not wear their masks. And I was like,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: is that even a that's even an option? Why would
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: they be masked in the airport? Because they're ICE agents.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: They get doxxed.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Well, that's their concern. And look, I understand that. It's
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: a real concern. I understand that concern. It's organized. But
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: at the same time, you know, there is a balancing
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: act there. And, you know, a lot of people like
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of right wingers will say, hey, look. If you're,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: you know, if you came here illegally, then that's a crime.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: You're here illegally. That's the law. And, hey, I get
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: that argument. But also the supreme law of the land
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: is the Constitution of the United States of America. And
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I've seen a ton of videos where there were masked
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: ICE agents not even identifying themselves, going up to people,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: telling them that you have to answer my questions. You
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: don't have an option to walk away, which is like
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: not true at all.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Well, that was my take on it is that you
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: can't accept people that are masked, that don't have any paperwork,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: that don't have a warrant. on the streets in militarized
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: situations because if they're using it for this, which you
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: agree to, that opens up the door for them to
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: use it because you won't take your vaccine or because
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: you did this or did that or whatever the fuck
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: it is. If a different person gets in power, maybe
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: they're going to use it for something you don't support.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: It's just not something you're supposed to accept.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: That's right. You don't want to accept that president.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Here's something that someone told me that is, this is
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: a very credible source that I can't reveal what the
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: source is. But they told me that there are people
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: in this country, and not just a few, but many, many,
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: that are affiliated with terrorist organizations, directly affiliated, but they've
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: applied for asylum. And because they've applied for asylum, you
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: can't deport them until they go through the entire process.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: That is wild.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: That is wild. So there's people that are known at
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: least— Terrorist sympathizers, they're in direct communication with terrorist networks.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: They've done things with terrorist networks and they've.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Applied for asylum.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: So you have to go through this long ass process
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: through the legal system. And it's up to a judge
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: whether or not this person who may or may not
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: be a part of a fucking sleeper cell gets to
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: stay in America.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Suicidal empathy. That's what Gad Saad calls it. You know,
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: I think he's right.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I think he's got a fair point there with suicidal
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: empathy in terms of the idea of like that we
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: that we cannot say on some level that it's like, no, look,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: we have a desire to preserve our society and we
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: want to do what's bad. We don't have to out
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: of some feeling of guilt, turn our country into something
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: worse than what it otherwise would be. So I think
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: he's got a point there. I think, and look, I'm
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: not a big fan of Gad. He literally just, him
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: and Sam Harris and a few others, They literally just
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: trash me all the time and refuse to engage on
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: a single thing I've said. So like it'll just be.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: God doesn't engage with you? He calls me Wikipedia Dave
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: on Twitter. And it's a. I like the guy. But
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I have a different relationship with him than you do. Well,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: that's true. And I'm a big critic of Israel and
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: he's a Mossad agent. So there is that. That is
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: part of. You think he is? He's admitted that he
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: worked for Mossad.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: In the past?
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah. I guess he would say he's not currently.
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: He retired.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Like I used to.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure. I used to work for Newport Creamery.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: I don't represent them anymore.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit different with the Mossad thing.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: But I also think that the big component that I
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: think all of those guys are missing is that we
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: also create more enemies with our foreign policy. And that's
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: not to say that like, you know, they always kind
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: of caricature my position on this. Like, I'm not saying
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Islam is all peaceful and there are no problems in
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: the Islamic world or anything like that. In fact, I
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: don't think any religion is truly peaceful. always been peaceful. But,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: you know, for guys like, say like Sam Harris, who
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: these kind of like pretend intellectuals who have spent, he
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: spent his entire career talking about how violent and irrational
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: the Muslims are and how you can't even draw a
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: cartoon of Muhammad or Muslims will want to do violent stuff.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: And like, hey, fair enough. That's bullshit. And we should
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: all say, like, if you want to be over here
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: in the West, our values are free speech and you
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: cannot kill people for cartoons, but then like none of
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: them ever also go, hey, you know, murdering an Ayatollah
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: might be dangerous. During Ramadan. Yeah, like that is, you know,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: that is not just a political figure to Shiite Muslims.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: So at the same time, it's like, okay, I'm fine
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: with saying, okay, you don't want to have suicidal empathy.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: My buddy Keith Knight, who's brilliant, works over at the
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Libertarian Institute, He had, I forget what he said, but
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: he said something like, okay, I don't want to have
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: suicidal empathy. Let's also not have homicidal empathy, you know?
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: And so like, maybe it also is like, as we
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: were tying into that whole conversation with, no, I'm okay, thanks.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: With the whole thing about the kids and women in Gaza,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: it's like, it's also the fact that if you just
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: view slaughtering Muslim children in the Middle East and in
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Northern Africa as like, just an acceptable political price, you know?
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: That's just collateral damage and unfortunately that happens when we
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: pursue this policy. You're gonna deal with more and more
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: of that. And the combination of both, Joe, like the
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: combination of having open borders having all these people get
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: in and continuing the war on terrorism and slaughtering people
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: in these numbers must be the most insane combination ever.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: The idea that you'd be like, we're gonna just make
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: an entire generation of Muslims hate us because so many
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: of them have seen what we've done to their countries.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: And also, we'll welcome all of them in with no
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: checks and we can't get rid of them when they
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: come here. That is quite a combination.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all nuts.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: The Sam Harris thing, I should.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: clarify this because he's apparently talked about me again recently
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: on Bill Maher. We didn't not talk because it was
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: his idea.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: It was me.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: He wanted to do a podcast with me.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: He wanted to do a COVID wrap-up to go over
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: everything that happened, all the mistakes that were made and
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: his position, my position because that's where we kind of separated.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: He was very pro-vaccine.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: I said, I won't do that until you talk to
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: Brett Weinstein, that you need to talk to Brett. Like, Brett,
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: you disparaged him publicly. I think you said things that
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: weren't correct. You called him a conspiracy theorist, and you
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: said you wouldn't platform him because it's dangerous.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: I don't believe that's true.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: I believe the problem is that Sam was incorrect about
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: both the effectiveness and the safety of the COVID vaccines.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Brett was correct, and Brett didn't insult Sam. Sam insulted Brett.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, Brett said things about Sam since, but it
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: was Sam.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: And I said, look, you got to talk to him first.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: You can't just talk to me, you know, especially because
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: he's an actual evolutionary biologist.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Like, he understands these things. He knows what he's talking about.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: He's had multiple conversations with high-level vaccinologists, and all these
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: different people that worked on the mRNA vaccines.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: He was correct. We all know that now.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: We know that all the things that he was talking about,
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: whether it's masking doesn't work, social distancing, the lockdowns, all
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: the above, all the above. He didn't want to talk
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: to Brett. I said, that doesn't make sense to me.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: Like you talk to everybody. You have debates with Muslims
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: on stage.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. That doesn't make any sense. Like why
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: wouldn't you talk to Brett?
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: I don't think he wanted to talk to Brett because
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: I don't– I think he didn't want to talk to
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: Brett because Brett's right.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think it's indefensible. No, I completely agree.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: I mean I had a– By the way, I don't
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: hate Sam. He can say all the crazy shit he wants.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: He also said, like, I don't think you should interview Gaddafi.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Guess what? I would.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: If Gaddafi was alive, 100% I would interview Gaddafi. Gaddafi,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: did you ever hear.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Russell Crowe talk about Gaddafi? I don't think so.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: He did a clip that went viral that was on
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: this show where he talked about why they wanted to
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: get rid of Gaddafi.
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: And, like, where they talked about how evil Gaddafi was
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: and how he subjugated his people. You can't say you
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: can't find that. Russell Crowe on Gaddafi. He wanted to
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: create The United States of Africa.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He wanted to get them on the gold standard.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: He wanted to get them off the U.S.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Dollar. He had some very dangerous ideas. He also supported
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Palestinian resistance. Yeah, that was it.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: There's no sound thing in there?
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, there it is. Here it is.
• 52:55
  Speaker 7: We are taught, for example, to regard Gaddafi in a
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: certain way.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: But if you look.
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: Into what happened in his country while he was the leader,
• 53:05
  Speaker 7: you look into the fact that every person is given
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: a house at a certain age. You look at the
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: fact that everybody's education and health care is free. You
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: look at if somebody showed a particular talent for something,
• 53:19
  Speaker 7: they required further education overseas.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: All of the costs of that were paid for by
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: the government.
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: Now, these are all things put in place by the
• 53:28
  Speaker 7: same country's leader that we're told is evil and corrupt.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: So it doesn't quite balance. Well, there's also U.S.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Government interference.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: That is one that we definitely monkeyed with.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, he ran afoul of the United States government.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: We were taught, for example.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: There was the famous clip with Hillary. I showed a
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: friend of mine the other day that he hadn't seen
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: it and he couldn't believe it was real. Well, she
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: was on this show and she gets unconfirmed information first
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: that they got Gaddafi. And then she gets confirmed that
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: he's dead. And she goes, we came, we saw.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: He died. She was so excited about it. But laughing.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: And then that led to Libya, at least for a while,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: becoming a failed state.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, it still is. It still is this whole time, man.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: It's been a disaster.
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• 55:22
  Speaker 1: And you know, the thing is that they called that
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Hillary's war. She was the Secretary of State at the
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: time under Barack Obama, but she's really the one who
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: championed that. And I believe Obama wrote in his book,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: that he was 50-50 and that Hillary really pushed him
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: to that. And he said his big regret was that
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: he didn't think about what came next after Gaddafi. Somehow
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: we haven't learned that lesson yet. Like after Iraq, you'd
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: never thought of that.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Listen, but thank God Trump's figured it out.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Trump's figured it out. We'll go in this
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: drastic new direction of getting the seventh war that they wanted.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Don't be a pussy, Dave. Jesus Christ.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: Did you see that one, I don't know what military
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: expert was on television who said something about we need,
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: I'm a fan of boots on the ground, like Rome. Like, hey, fucker,
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: Rome didn't have nuclear weapons and drones. Rome didn't have
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: drones that hunt you. We talking about boots on the ground.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: Should we fight with swords? Should we get everybody to
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: fight with swords? Is that what you're saying?
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: The fuck are you saying? Well, also, like, what.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: What even is the plan with boots on the ground? Like,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: what are you talking about here? You're going to take
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: an island. It goes, OK, well, then you're going to
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: be a target. You're going to be target practice as
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: long as the Iranian regime is still standing. And if
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: you're talking about militarily occupying the country like we did
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: with Iraq or Afghanistan or something like that, This is
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: a huge country with 92 million people. How many soldiers
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: do you think you need to occupy that country? At
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: least half a million? And probably you can't do it
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: with that? So what are you talking about here? And
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: so you're saying, are we going to start a draft
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: for the least popular war going in in American history?
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Because I don't think that's happening. This is maybe slightly
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: more popular than Vietnam. Going in, it's less. I'm sure
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Vietnam by the end was very, very unpopular.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: Well, Vietnam going in didn't make any sense, did it?
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: I guess the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Most people in
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: America were like, why are we doing this?
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: What's going on? You're drafting people to go to Vietnam?
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: We're fighting communism in Vietnam?
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What? Well, they called it Vietnam syndrome that the
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: American people had, which is that we didn't want to
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: fight a war again after that. From their perspective, that's
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: a syndrome. And it's really something. They think, by the way,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro used this same line. He said, Trump finally
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: broke Iraq war syndrome. Because they think, see, from Ben
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Shapiro's perspective, the illness... is after you lie the American
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: people into a war and slaughter a million people. The
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: illness isn't that. You might look at that as the
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: bad part, but the bad part is that these annoying
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Americans have this tendency to not wanna do that again
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: after that. But he claims Trump has broken Iraq War Syndrome.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Of course, there's really no evidence with support of the
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: American people that that has changed at all. And you know,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: the George H.W. Bush was said to have defeated Vietnam
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: War Syndrome in Panama and in Iraq, because they were
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: relatively easy, bloodless on the American side, or very, very
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: limited injuries and deaths. And they weren't like quagmires that
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: went on forever or whatever. But of course, after the
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Persian Gulf War in 92, we went on to be
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: bombing Iraq for ever since, essentially. For 30 straight years
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: after that, we were still at war with that country.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: They'd think for a million people being dead.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: What is public support? Let's put that into our sponsor perplexity.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: What is current public support for the Iran war in America?
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: First of all, how will they know? No one's asked me.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: That's a fair point. That's what I always say about polls.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: When was the last time you answered a poll? When
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: was the last time anybody called you up and said, Dave, Matt?
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: First of all, when was the last time you ever
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: picked up the phone if you didn't know who was calling?
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: And then when you do answer, when was the last
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: time you said yes to a poll?
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Even remember ever getting called.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: It has to be the dumbest of dumb people that
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: answer those polls. So then you got to realize out
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: of those stupid fucking idiots, even how many of them
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: think the war is a good idea?
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: It's even unpopular amongst them.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, what does it say here?
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: Most recent national polls show Americans overall oppose the current
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: war with Iran and think U.S. military action has gone
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: too far. A Quinnipiac poll finds 54 percent.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: What is Quinnipiac?
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: Quinnipiac poll finds 54% of U.S. voters oppose U.S. military
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: action against Iran and 39% support it. I wonder how
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: many of those 39% are Jews.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Well, not too much. We don't have the numbers.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: A poll reports about six– right. What is the number
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: of Jewish people in America?
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Two percent? Something like that?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: Six in ten adults say U.S. military action against Iran
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: has gone too far. Only about a quarter say it's
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: been about right.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 7: 25%.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: First of all.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: Whenever you're talking about these kind of things, it's like, again,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: who are we talking about?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: Who was asked?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Finds Republicans largely support the military action. Around 86% support.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Whoa. Really?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: Because I talk to a lot of Republicans that think
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: it's a terrible idea. While large majorities of Democrats, around 92%,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: and independents, about 64% oppose it. 92% of, who are
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: the 8% of Democrats that are like, let's fucking go?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: You think maybe they're Jews?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: They work for CNN. They work, you know, whatever. CNN
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: thinks it's a good idea? No. Dude, CNN is running cover.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: for Donald Trump during this time. For real? Oh yeah.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: No way. Yeah, they put up a poll the other day.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: They had a graphic that said 100% of MAGA supports
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: the war in Iran. CNN said that? After all these years.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: Say he liked it or something like that.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, but hold on a second. CNN likes me.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: Is that running cover or is that making them look
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: bad because most Americans don't support the war and most... Democrats, 92%,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: don't support the war. So if that's the case, wouldn't
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: that just make it look like these MAGA people are
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: a fucking problem?
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. MAGA GOP view of Trump. Can I
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: hear how he says it?
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Or would it be a problem? Oh, okay.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: That seems bonkers. It seems bonkers.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Approve 100%.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: How many people did you ask?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Two. Two guys with MAGA hats on at the party.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: If you notice the way they say this, right, so
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: they don't just say GOP voters. They say MAGA GOP voters.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: And so what they're doing here is that they're filtering
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: who they consider to be MAGA and who they consider
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: to be MAGA are the people who still say they
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: support Donald Trump. But like 100% of the people who
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: don't support this war stopped supporting Donald Trump over it. Right,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: but look at this.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: Little thing on the bottom. They don't show you.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: 66%, 31% split among non-MAGA.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Right. Is that non-MAGA Republicans? Is that what you're saying? No,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: I think that's non-MAGA Americans, I believe.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: The whole MAGA thing, we're so fractioned as it is.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: Like this whole idea of right versus left as it is.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: And now you've got a MAGA section of the right.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: It's all just ridiculous, dude. But it's a way to
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: describe it as anything other than what it is, which
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: is the most unpopular war in American history going into it.
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  Speaker 1: And for good reason. Look, dude, he didn't even bother
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  Speaker 1: to like sell us on a propaganda campaign about it.
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  Speaker 1: It was like the laziest, like just lie, just lie
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: us into it. Let's put on a fucking firm tinfoil
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: hat right now. Let's get a double layer Reynolds wrap,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: fucking crease the edges, fold it down. Why would he
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: want to do this? Why would he want to.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I am not denying that the regime of Iran
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: is a giant problem. I'm certainly not denying that if
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: I was Israel, I would not want them there.
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  Speaker 1: They hate you.
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  Speaker 2: They're trying to get a nuclear weapon. They're right there.
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  Speaker 2: I get the Israel position. I totally understand how they're so.
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  Speaker 3: Just vehemently in defense of their homeland. Like they're surrounded
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: by people that hate them. They're the one Jewish country.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone else is, is a Muslim. They all want to caliphate.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: They all want to kill them. It's been going on forever.
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  Speaker 3: They think it's in God's word that they have it.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: It's a lot of craziness.
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  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Why now?
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: Like, why now? Like, what does that make any sense?
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: Well, um, Trump himself has said, which literally this would
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: be like considered an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory if anyone else
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: had said it. But Donald Trump has openly talked about
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: many times how the Adelson's give them all this money
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: and they come by every day and all they have
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: is another demand on behalf of Israel. Donald Trump also,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: very early in his political career, got in trouble with
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: the Israel lobby and then immediately pivoted to winning their
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: favor back over by saying he would tear up the JCPOA,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: the Iran deal that Obama got us into. And it
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: looks to me, you know, other speculation aside, who knows
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: exactly what control they have over the guy, but it
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: looks to me that after Venezuela... and when there were
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: these big street protests and riots against the regime and
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: around there, that they convinced Trump, and this is what
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Joe Kent, his director of counterterrorism, has said too, that
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: they essentially convinced him that this would be the time
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: You could do it swiftly, surgically remove the regime, and
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: the people would rise up and overthrow it. And this
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: is what Donald Trump said when he launched this war.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: He said, this is a regime change, and I'm calling
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: on the great people of Iran to rise up. And
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: they did. They rose up by at least the hundreds
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: of thousands. They were out in Tehran in defense of
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: the regime chanting death to America. Because it turns out
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: when you kill 165 little girls, that doesn't make a
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: country go, We love you. Thank you for that. But
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: before the bombing, there were people in the streets that
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: were protesting. Yes.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: And people were killed because of that a lot. That's
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: the other thing is that that regime is like they
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: clamp down and they do it with public figures. They
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: killed a very prominent wrestler from Iran.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Two of them.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: They killed one a few years back. The UFC tried
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: to step in and somehow or other stop it. But
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: he was also one that was accused of protesting.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, listen, I don't know about this most recent one.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is true at all. I don't
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: trust any governments, but he was they claimed he killed
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: a few cops. That's what the Iranian regime said he
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: was being hung for. Now, I don't know. Yeah, the wrestler.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: He was he was convicted of that, whatever that means.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: And I'm in a mullah run, you know, so I'm
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: not saying that's right at all. But I will say this, right?
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump, when he launched this war, and there's been
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of just false claims that have been made,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: but he said specifically that they killed 32,000 protesters. There
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: has not been a shred of evidence presented to back
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: up this claim. Now, I'm not saying it's not true.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not putting it past this government that they would
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: do that. And they've acknowledged that a lot of people
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: have died. I think they I think the last I
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: had seen was that I know they were saying the
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: government of Iran was before the Ayatollah was killed. They
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: were saying it was something like 3000 people had died.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: And then the CIA said.
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  Speaker 2: But when you say died, does it mean they killed
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: the protesters?
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Well, that's unclear. That's not what they are claiming. But
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: then the CIA, at least there was a piece in
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal where they had said, and this
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: was like a week and a half into it, that
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: they estimated like six and a half thousand or something
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: like that. But this is a huge question, right? And
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: it's not clear at all. Like, were they lining people
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: up and just executing them for the crime of protesting?
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: They hung the wrestler. But I'm saying the people who
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: have been killed here.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: Iran protest death toll could top 30,000, according to local
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: health officials.
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  Speaker 2: And this is from Time magazine.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: As many as 30,000 people could have been killed in
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: the streets of Iran on January 8th and 9th alone.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: Two senior officials of the country's Ministry of Health told Time,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: indicating a dramatic surge in the death toll. So many
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: people were slaughtered by Iranian security services that Thursday and
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: Friday it overwhelmed the state's capacity to dispose of the dead.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: Stocks of body bags were exhausted, the official said, and
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: 18-wheel semi-trailers replaced ambulances.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: Now, listen, all I'm saying here, man, is that you
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: gotta be, I've just seen this movie play out a
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: lot of times. You gotta be really careful about these
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: accusations that are made in the run-up to a war.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: They're basically saying, we have a source who told us this.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: What year was this? I mean, excuse me, what date
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: was this? January 25th.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: So the protest started in late December and then in January.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: Time was unable to independently verify these figures. That's right. Listen,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: the claim being made here, right, is that, look, in
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: this place, they said in two days, in two days, 30,000
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: people were killed. If that is true, that is up
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: there with one of the biggest massacres in human history.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: The biggest massacres during World War II were like around that.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: Trevor Burrus It says, as of Saturday, US-based human rights
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: activist news agency had confirmed 5,459 deaths and is investigating 17,000 more.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Yes. So that's at least close. So we're in the neighbor.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: We're in the 20s.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: Just if what they're investigating turns out to be accurate.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: If that's if that's the case. But we're talking also here, Joe,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: about like any defunded U.S. based NGOs who are really
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: around hawks, you know. And so and I'm just saying, like, look,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: the the claim the claim here is that. Around you know,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: I saw a bunch of the Zionists online when this
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: was first coming out back in January. They were like,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: oh my god They've already killed half as many people
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: as died in Gaza in just a couple days and
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: you're like, right? That's a pretty that's a hell of
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: a claim, right? I mean like if you just from
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: following Wars all these years if you started carpet bombing
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: Tehran Vietnam style carpet bombing Tehran after two days of
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: That's the type of death toll you'd be looking at.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, they don't have internet access to
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: the rest of the world.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Well, they shut down the internet during that period. But
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: there were pictures that came out. All I'm saying is
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: that if you had numbers like that, you would expect
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: there to be some evidence that you could point to.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: And there's like one picture where they've pointed to like
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: a couple dozen body bags and been like, see, look
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: at this. But look, maybe it's true, maybe it's not.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: I'm very skeptical of these claims when they're made right
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: before we launch a war. But I think the other
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: point is that at least according, and there has been
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: some evidence of this, right? There were police stations that
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: were burned. There were mosques that were attacked. These were
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: not just peaceful protests. I'm not saying they don't have
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: a right to violently rise up and overthrow their government, whatever.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: But all the hawks in the West were saying, these
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: people are trying to overthrow their government.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: Not only that, in the past, our agencies, our intelligence agencies,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: have engaged in nefarious practices where we have conscripted certain
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: people to go and light things on fire and blow
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: things up and create these events to accelerate.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: Front page of the Jerusalem Post, they were bragging that
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: there was Mossad within the protests. So now look, I
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: don't know, but also the thing is this, right? If
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: you are trying to overthrow a government, A government will
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: kill you for doing that. And that's true about every government,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: including our own. Including our own. If armed protesters went
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: to try to overthrow Barack Obama's government, he would kill
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: those people if they were actually a threat to do that.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: How about Ashley Babbitt was murdered on January 6th?
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: And every single left winger in the country went, well,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: that's okay. It was an insurrection. And by the way,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: every single right winger in this country, when this pretty
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: guy got killed, we're like, well, he was interfering. Oh,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: I saw it. But by the way, the pretty thing
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: was the most textbook example of a bad shooting. There's
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: just no defending it. They had disarmed the guy. He's down.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: There's six of them. They panic. They put six bullets in.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: Do you know what happened though? Do you know, do
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: you know the whole story of the gun? Uh, the
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: gun being removed. Yeah, do you know the whole story
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: about the gun? Okay, the gun is a Sig P320.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: A Sig P320 is notorious for accidental discharges. There is
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: a video of the cop removing the gun, walking off.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, I saw that. And the gun goes off. Is
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: that his gun for sure? Yeah. Because I thought that
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: hadn't been determined whether or not. I heard people speculating
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: about that.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: I've watched the video multiple times and I've watched other
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: people's analysis of it. Obviously, I'm no expert, but I
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: do know something about guns. And that gun in particular,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: it's been demonstrated online.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: I have heard that, yes.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: That it will go off.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: There's a cop inside of a precinct, he bends over,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: not touching his gun, gun in the holster, and it
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: goes off. There's a video of a guy on a range,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: and a gun just goes off. And he goes, whose
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: fucking gun was that? And the range master goes, is
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: that a SIG? And he goes, yeah, he goes, get
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: that fucking gun off of my range. because it's a P320.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: I should be real clear, Sig makes a bunch of
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: guns that are awesome, like the P365 is like one
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: of the best carry guns in the world. There's a
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: lot of guns they make that don't have this issue.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: But that particular gun that Pretty had with one in
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: the chamber is fucking knuckleheads walking around with one.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: In the chamber.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying the only point I'm making is that
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: it's clearly it was a fuck up. I'm not saying
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: like they wanted to execute the guy. I'm just saying
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: like they had the gun taken from them. They didn't
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: communicate that to each other. They freaked out. But literally
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: all it took. was seeing one video 11 days earlier
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: where he kicked the back of a cop car. And
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: for every right winger to go, yeah, whatever dude, got
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: what you deserve. So all my point is about this,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: looking at this in the Iranian regime, It's just not clear.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: What are you actually accusing them of? Are you saying
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: that somebody was trying to overthrow the government and the
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: government mowed them down? Are you saying that they lined
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: up protesters and shot them all in the back of
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: the head simply for voicing their opinion? None of this
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: is made clear, but when the war drums are beating,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: no one even cares to ask these questions. It's just like, yep,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: they killed their own people. And then if you notice
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: with this war, much like with Venezuela and almost like
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: with all of them, They just keep giving you like
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: they throw like 15 justifications at it, you know, and
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: you're like, which one is the reason we're fighting this?
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: Because I saw all of them like to play the
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: humanitarian card and go, we're doing this, you know, for
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: these oppressed people. We want them to rise up. They've
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: been living under this brutal regime. And you're like, OK,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: two things like number one. That is simply just not
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: how you U.S. foreign policy works. We don't fight wars
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: on humanitarian grounds. You know what I mean? Like we're
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: partners with some of the most brutal authoritarians in the world.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: And we and in the case of like Israel, we've
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: been funding their destruction of Gaza for the last two
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: and a half years. And and. So like that's not
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: really what's motivating this here. And then number two, Donald Trump,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: even just the other day, said he'll be partners with
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: the new Ayatollah and run the Strait of Hormuz together.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Did he say that?
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: He's backed off of regime change.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: Are they even talking to him? Is someone talking to him?
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: Like who is he talking to? Do they know who
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: they're talking to? Because it's not like they're meeting in person.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: Some guy's on the phone.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: I am free to negotiate. Dude, he said, Donald Trump
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: himself said the other day that he goes, we're negotiating.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: Negotiations are going great. And they go, who are you
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: negotiating with? And he goes, a person we believe to
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: be in charge. And then they said, so is this
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: the new supreme leader? And he said, no, no. No
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: one's heard from that guy. We don't know where he is.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: It's some hacker in his basement in Belarus.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: It's not. He's talking with an Iranian accent. And he's
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: got them convinced. Well, it's just. I have the authority
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: to negotiate. Let's be partners. Let's wire one million Bitcoin
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: to this address. Well, everything I'm seeing publicly reported today
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: is that Iran is like, no. We're not in these negotiations.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: We've made our terms clear. And their terms, what they're
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: asking for is something that Donald Trump is not going
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: to be able to give them. What's that? Their demands
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: were that we stop attacking immediately, like that part they
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: might get, that we pay them restitution for all the
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: damage so far, essentially that we leave the region. I mean,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: they had a few other things there that were just like.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: And they want them to open up a Terry Black's
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: in Tehran.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: This one was really important to us. If we could
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: just get one.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: One Terry Black's barbecue.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: We don't have a good barbecue here.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like, if he's not really negotiating with
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: this guy, if that's not true, and he's just putting
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: this out there in the public as a negotiation ploy,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: what a clusterfuck. Because you're dealing with people that don't
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: mind dying. They believe, I mean, these are very religious people.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: They're fanatical. They believe they're going to go to heaven.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: They believe they're martyrs and they're fighting for Allah. This
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: is the just and holy war. And they've been attacked.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: Well, that's right. And they've been preparing for this for
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: a long time. You know, people make a lot out
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: of the chants that the Iranians, you know, they chant
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: death to America.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: What do you got there, Jimmy? Sorry, it's... Everybody's been
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: killed from the regime There's automatically a.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Regime change.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 6: But we're dealing with some people that I find to
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 6: be very.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: Reasonable, very solid. The people within know who they are.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: They're very respected.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 6: And maybe one of them will be exactly what we're
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 6: looking for.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: Look at Venezuela, how well that's working out. I mean, dude,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: this is such a fucking mess. This is such a mess, dude.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is just too ridiculous, dude. And the,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: you know, the thing is that A lot of people,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: you know, I've spent a long time at this point
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: being against this war because this war has been telegraphed since,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: you know, the Bush administration wanted to do this shit.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: And at least for like 15 years, I've been publicly
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: opposing this war. And one of the reasons why so
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: many of us oppose this, and it's a shitty way
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: to be vindicated, but is that, look, Iran is just
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: not liable. any of the other opponents in the global
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: war on terrorism. It's a, it's a different beast entirely.
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  Speaker 1: And you've seen this already only three weeks in, we
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: never dealt with any of this with any of the
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: other countries. You know what I mean? We had what
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: the Pentagon calls escalation dominance, uh, in all of those
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: other wars, which is all essentially like, it's just like,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: meaning like if you do this, we do this. If
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: you do that, like we're prepared for everything. It's kind
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: of like escalation dominance is a lot like, you know,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: like in jujitsu where you see really high level guys
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: who basically put you in a position where you can
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: make one of two choices in either way. You know, like, okay,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: you can give me your back and I'll choke you
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: or you can push off me and I'll arm bar you.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: And you know, like whatever option you have, I'm going
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: to get you. We don't have that with the roundups.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: The Pentagon's been open about this since at least 2007.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: And the fact is that, as we're already seeing, they
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: can target ships in the Strait of Hormuz. They can
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: target our assets, our bases, our embassies in the region.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: They can target our allies. And this is a big problem.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: And so it seems like Donald Trump got into this
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: thinking it would be like Venezuela. It would be quick
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: and bloodless and easy, and he could claim victory. Now
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: that it's not gone that way, it seems like he's
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: kind of scrambling for what the off-ramp is here. Now,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: at least I give Donald Trump, as angry as I
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: am with him, at least it is true that he's
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: looking for an off-ramp, it seems like. And he did
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: this with the 12-Day War, right? He started the war,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: he saw an off-ramp, and he took it. The problem
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: here really is that this war changed the calculation from
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: the Iranian perspective, and that much is clear so far.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: After 9-11, All the countries in the Middle East and
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: North Africa, all the ones– essentially they all waved the
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: white flag, all of them. Saddam Hussein welcomed UN inspectors in.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: He was trying to do anything he could to not
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: meet the fate that he ultimately met. Gaddafi denuclearized, got
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: rid of chemical weapons. Bashar al-Assad got rid of all
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: his chemical weapons. They were all just like, we don't
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: want it with you. And Iran was very much the
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: same way. They got into the JCPOA. They allowed an
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: inspections regime in to come look at their nuclear facilities,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: all of that. And even up to the 12-day war,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: when we dropped the bunker buster, as in Israel bombed
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of regime targets, they still, in their response,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: called ahead, made sure there'd be no US troops there.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: They hit the side of a little base there. And
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: then they kind of went like, they gave Trump an off-ramp.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: Because they didn't want it. They don't want to die
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: like Muammar Gaddafi. They don't want to have their country destroyed.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: So for self-preservation reasons, they showed restraint. The calculation this time,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: clearly already from the Iranians, was that we can't do
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: that again. We have to give you a bloody nose
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: and a black eye. We have to make this cost
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: as much as possible for you. Otherwise, you guys will
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: just be back here in another five months doing it again.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: And they're probably right about that. They're probably right. And
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: so now... We're in this situation where we're already in
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: a quagmire. It's already like over a dozen Americans have died.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: I think a couple hundred wounded at this point. Israel
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: isn't given real numbers on what's going on there, but
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: there's some pretty substantial damage and definitely some Israelis have died.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure thousands of Iranians have died at this point.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: It's cost, I mean, Pete Higgs has just asked for
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: $ 200 billion in I don't know if it'll get up
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: to cost him that much, but this thing is certainly
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: already in the tens of billions. If you consider munition,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: military movements, and then just the damage to embassies and
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: bases and stuff like that. I mean, this thing is
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: already a disaster. And so now it's not like Venezuela
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: where Donald Trump could just stop and declare victory and
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: even say like, look how great it's working out. Is
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: Venezuela really working out that great? I don't know. We
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: took one guy away. The regime's still in place. The
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: people haven't been liberated, but whatever, he can claim that.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: This now, the problem here is that, okay, number one,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump's not really in a situation where if he
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: just quit right now, how is he really gonna say,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: look how wonderful this is? It's like, I don't know, dude,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: this cost a lot already, and it doesn't seem like
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: there's any clear, like, what did we get out of this?
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: Well, the only way it would work is if there
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: was some sort of a deal with whoever the fuck
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: is gonna be the new guy in charge, and they
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: did come to some sort of an agreement. And they
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: did give them some compensation for all the shit we
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: blew up.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: So they'll just print some more money for that.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: And inflation will go up.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: But look, here's the thing is that it's not just
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump. There's two other participants in this war or
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: two other entities in this war. There's Iran and there's Israel. Okay, now,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: is Iran gonna accept that? Maybe, but look, just like
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: the 12-day war, look at the position you're in now.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: We're relying on the Moas, you know what I mean? Like,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: that is not an ideal situation to be in. And
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: then the other factor is that there's Israel, who also
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: gets a say in this, for some reason, because we
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: allow them to. And Netanyahu, just the other day, was
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: very clear about this. This is a regime change. And
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: he even said it will require ground forces. And he
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: said he's not sure who those ground forces will be.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: And so now this happens. If you do you remember
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: the moment during the 12 day war when it was
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: the closest Trump ever came to like flipping out on Israel?
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: And he said they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: It was but he said Israel and Iran don't know
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: what the fuck they're doing because Donald Trump. So after
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: he drops the bunker busters, he goes, that's it. You
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? We're taking the off ramp. And
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: then he said, I want to work out a ceasefire now.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: And then after he said that, Israel just started lighting
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: up regime targets, just bombing the crap out of them.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: And they weren't bombing nuclear facilities. They were just bombing, like,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: government buildings. And they've been doing a bunch of that
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: in this war as well, bombing local police departments, things
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: like that, just creating chaos. Because what they want is peace.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: what they've been getting in the rest of the war
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: on terrorism. They are quite happy with a Libya model
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: or a Syria model.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: They just don't want anyone that's organized as a threat
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: to Israel.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: It's all about Iran's support for Hezbollah. is that they
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: want southern Lebanon, which they just, Katz, their defense minister,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: just announced that they're going to occupy. Yeah, that's crazy, right?
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: They just announced they're going to be occupying another country.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: That's what it's about, man. And look, I mean, it's not, again,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: this isn't like a conspiracy theory. The guys all tell
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: you this in their own words. Benjamin Netanyahu was asked
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: point blank a few months back what he thought of
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: the Greater Israel Project, and he said, it's very near
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: and dear to my heart. Like, this is the point
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: of denying the Palestinians a state for all these years.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: You can't let the Palestinians have a state because then
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: how are you going to take that all over someday?
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: That's all supposed to be part of Israel. And the
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: U S ambassador, the U S ambassador, not the Israeli ambassador,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: the U S ambassador to Israel is on record saying
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: that God promised Iraq to Benjamin Netanyahu and that God
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: promised Lebanon and Saudi Arabia and the West bank and
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: parts of Syria. And all of this is greater Israel.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: That is it. By the way, Sam Harris, wear you
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: out on that. Where are the new atheists when you
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: could finally use them for something? Hey, that's pretty crazy.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: Is that how we do politics? We work on this
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: ridiculous religious superstition that somehow when God said Israel in Genesis,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: he was referring to the state that was created that
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: they named after that passage. This would literally be on
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: the level, Joe, is if I named my son Jesus
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: Christ and then I told you you have to worship
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: my son. Look, it's right there in your Bible. Exactly. No,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: you named it after that, dude.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: That doesn't count. That's crazy.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: And they took the spot where it was.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, like. They took over and they did it
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: in a horrific way.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: Like the napka. Yeah.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: You listen to some of those soldiers, the translation of
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: some of those soldiers talking about what they did and
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: even laughing about what they did.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: Some of them even smiling. In 1948? Yeah, because it
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: wasn't in 1848. You know what I mean? These guys
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: were alive, maybe not so many of them now, but
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: like 20, 30 years ago, you could put a video
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: camera in front of one of these guys and ask
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: them to tell their story.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: Right, it was like 78 years ago. It wasn't that
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: long ago.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. That's right. And so, you know, look,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, the idea here that America, after... just 25
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: years of catastrophic failures, launching wars of choice, wars of aggression,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: lying the American people into it, just slaughtering millions of
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: people and like bankrupting this country and really severely degrading
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: the country with these wars. The idea that we would
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: jump into another war of choice for Israel is just too, like,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: this is too crazy, man. And especially when it's the
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: administration that really ran on and promised that we want
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: to get out of this, out of this game of
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: fighting stupid wars in the Middle East. Yeah, that was
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: what we were all supporting.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: That was the one thing that he was saying that
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: was so promising to so many people that were independent,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: that were on the fence. Like, this guy wants no wars.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: He wants closing the border, which I think is a
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: great idea. He wants no wars. That enough.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: Let's go. Well, especially considering the fact that Well, well,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: like even if there are some things about Donald Trump
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: that maybe you don't like, but the other guys are
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: saying we want to keep fighting forever wars. And this
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: guy is saying we should stop doing that. That's enough
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: to go. Well, then he's better than you on net.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong. I mean, I I endorsed
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump in 24. Um, you know, people give me
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: shit for this. Some people like that. Some people give
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: me shit for it. Um, but I, I do, I
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: kind of view it like this, like, and I really,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: I will say maybe I'm a little biased here cause
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: I love you, but I don't think I'm being biased.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: I really think you played a, an enormous role in,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: in kind of like standing up to the progressive democratic
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: establishment and their narrative over the last decade or so.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: And it's really hard to kind of overstate how crazy
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: they were, how much of a threat to this country
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: they were. And for anybody who wants to give shit
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: to anyone who voted for Donald Trump, it's like, hey, man,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: the alternative was the party who bragged about, first off,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: insane woke shit, like poisoning the minds of children in
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: a really grotesque and abusive way. They gave us open borders,
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: flooding the country with people. They gave us all types
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: of COVID tyranny based on pseudoscience. They gave us the
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: most reckless foreign policy in American history, which was this
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: proxy war on Russia's border. And they were pretending the
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: president wasn't senile when he clearly was. Then they, in
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, threw up a cackling retard who was
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: not democratically picked in any process. And so, sorry. It
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: does make sense that a lot of people went, okay,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: we're going to go back with this other guy. Also,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: there was an interesting dynamic happening in 24 where- okay,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: this wasn't, you know, Donald Trump, they had actually tried
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: to throw him in jail, maybe even tried to murder him.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: We never really got any answers on that one. He
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: now had Bobby Kennedy with him. He now had Tulsi
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: Gabbard with him. He now had, oh, you know what
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: I mean? Even JD Vance, like a lot of these
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: people who were supposedly much more non-interventionist, there was reason
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: to hope that maybe it wouldn't end up here. But anyway,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: I guess my thing is that You played such a
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: huge role in this, and I, to a lesser extent,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: played a role in standing up against a lot of
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: that progressive insanity over the last 10 years. And I
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: just feel like after 24, this coalition came together where
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump, for the first time ever, wins the popular vote,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: wins every single swing state, and really more remarkably, won
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: the youth and the culture. Like Donald Trump went from
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: being like the cultural pariah to being the guy like
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: John Jones is doing the dance. And it was just,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: and that whole coalition has been destroyed over this war.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: And now he's gonna hand the country right back over
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: to these Democrats who we've been fighting so hard, all
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: for what? All for a war that Netanyahu wanted against
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: a country that, dude, by the way, the justification for
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: the 12-day war was bullshit. They weren't trying to make
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: nuclear weapons. They were trying to negotiate. At least they
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: got out of that unscathed relatively. Well, that's right. But then,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: and I want to, you know, he said some nice
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: things about me when he was on here the other
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: day with you. So I will say some nice things
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: about Konstantin Kassin, who I, despite our disagreements, I really
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: like that guy a lot. But he is, I could
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: be wrong. I could be missing someone. He's the only
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: guy I've seen who supported the 12 day war, but
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: is really skeptical about this. And I've seen so many people,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: it's unbelievable, dude, like they just, so like the 12-day
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: war comes, for the first 48 hours of it, they're like, dude,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: Israel's doing this on its own. All they want is
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: for you to stay out of it. Then like the
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: third day, they're like, all right, they do need some
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: help shooting down the missiles that are coming back toward them,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: but whatever, this is just defensive, you know what I mean?
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: Like you don't have to get involved. Then it's like
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: the next day, like, all right, we don't have bunker busters,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: so we do need you to drop the bunker busters.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: But then their whole.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: Like defense of the 12 day war was like, look,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: no Americans died. It didn't cost us a lot. It
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: didn't turn into this disaster. And now we're at the, okay,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: we'll find all of that happened, but it's still a
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: good thing. Constantine was the one guy I saw who
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: was like, no, I supported that one, but I am
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: not getting on board with this one. And I give
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: him a lot of credit for that. I give him
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of credit for that. I like that guy
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: a lot. I like him a lot. I like Francis
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: a lot too. I do too.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: Their show Trigonometry is one of, The best shows. Agree
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: with them or not agree with them. They're always reasonable.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: They're never ideologically driven. They have opinions that you may
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: or may not agree with, but they're real clear about
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: their opinions.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: And why they believe what they believe. Yeah, that's right.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: And they're great guys.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, genuinely good dudes. Great guys. I really liked, you know,
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: I get in a lot of like the shit show. arguments.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: I find myself in them. I probably should be better
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: than them and just not engage, but I'm not and
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: I'm petty. What do you mean by shit show? Like
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: where it just becomes like an insult thing or, you know,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: I debated Alex Barron. It's kind of embarrassing in hindsight,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: but like, I don't know, it gets me really angry
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: when a guy's calling me a Holocaust denier or something
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: like that. I think that's crazy. Well, what he was
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: saying was kind of silly.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: The way he was saying it was silly and he
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: was just trying to play gotcha with you and then
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: you called him a faggot.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not my finest moment.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: You could tell he was really shaken by that.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: Well, it's just that he expected that I kind of
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: have a thing We're like look I'm really into this
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: shit and I nerd out on it and I'm obsessed
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: with all of this for whatever reason It's just like
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: my calling in life. Um, but I'm also stand-up comic
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: at heart, you know And so like as soon as
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: someone goes like oh, I want to be vicious. You're like,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: oh you want to be vicious Oh Because I'm pretty
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: good at being vicious, so I could do that. And
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: you're probably not used to hearing this type of vicious
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: shit that comics say to each other. But one of
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: the things that I really appreciated about Francis and Constantine
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: was when I went to do their show, it was
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: just like, it was genuinely a good faith conversation. And
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: they weren't trying to win the point or get a
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: clip that they could go, we destroyed Dave. And then
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: once they do that, I'm like, okay, well then I'm
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: not trying to do that either, man. Let's talk about
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: this shit. That's always what I'd rather do. But I
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: guess the thing that's really interesting about this moment is
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: that because the kind of corporate media propaganda apparatus has
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: been completely destroyed, And because the Internet and social media
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: and podcasts are where people go now for for, you know,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: conversations and debates and news and all this stuff. They're
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: kind of like they're like they're running without a propaganda apparatus.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: You know, like Israel just Israel in the last two
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: and a half years is down like 50 points in
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: the polls, like in terms of. American approval. It's a
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: drastic change like I've never seen on any issue over
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: the last few years.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: In our lifetimes where it's been an issue that we
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: are dealing with the consequences of the relationship.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: There's never been a time in the past where people
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: were completely aware of, oh, there's no other reason why
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: we'd be going into Iran. Most people don't think it
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: wasn't for Israel asking us to, Netanyahu's Consistent visits to
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: the White House.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, you can't even you can't even pretend otherwise. I mean, right,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: but people do. Yes Well, they try to but people
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: home and Hughes just got in a debate with Glenn
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: Greenwald about it I saw that they did it. I
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: did have not had a chance to watch it.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody sent it to me and it was you know,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: I'm being a good boy when it comes to social
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: media It's been.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: So good for my brain.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of remarkable Just staying off, you mean.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: My new phone, I'm not going to put anything on it.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: I'm going to have my old phone and leave it
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: at home, and I'm not going to be able to
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: look at it. So when I have to post things,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: I've got to post it on my other phone that's
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: not going to be with me. I'm not doing that anymore.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: Because I just think eventually, ultimately, it rots your brain.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: But you do get some cool debates and some insight
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: into what's going on, and I don't know what Coleman's
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: argument was. But Glenn and Coleman were arguing about Israel's
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: influence on this.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll be very interested to watch that. I do
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: respect Coleman, despite disagreeing with him very adamantly. Very smart guy.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: Very smart guy. No question about it. And a very
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: nice guy. And look, one of the things I really
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: respect about him is when I did his show, he
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: literally starts it by going, he goes, you know, almost
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: all these debates I see you in, like you're kind
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: of debating issues and then people just debate your character.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: And he goes, I'm not doing that at all. I
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: want to talk about the issues the whole time. No,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: he doesn't do that at all.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: And I just genuinely appreciate that. I agree with him
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: or disagree with him. He's a super reasonable guy and
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: a very nice guy. I like him a lot. I
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: like him a lot. Whether I agree with him or
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: disagree with him, he's a wonderful person.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: Agreed. This is what I will say about his position
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: on this, which I think is kind of interesting. So
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: number one, when I was on Piers Morgan with him
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: right after Venezuela happened and He was his position. I
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: don't want to mischaracterize it, but I think this is
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: pretty accurate. Was he was like, look, a lot of
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: people are comparing Venezuela to Iraq or Libya or Syria.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: But like that is a different region, a different culture,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: a different religion. And so really what we should be
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: comparing this to is other interventions in in Latin America
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: and South America. And, you know, I didn't completely agree
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: with that. I was like, actually, I think there are
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: some lessons you could learn from other wars that we've
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: been in that might apply here. But I was like, OK,
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: fair enough. Hey, let's look at other interventions in Central
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: and South America, because we've got a long list of
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: really disastrous ones. Like if you want to look at
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: Guatemala or Nicaragua or, you know, Cuba, Mexico, a whole bunch.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: But then when this war in Iran starts, I don't
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: see him going. the equal opposite of that, going, hey,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: now that we're at war with Iran, we have to
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: judge this by Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya and Syria because,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like that would be the
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: flip side to the other position. And so I don't
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: see that. The other thing is that when he's arguing
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: with me about, because I was arguing that, you know,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: that the Israel lobby and the Israeli government were a
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: huge part of why we fought the war in Iraq.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: And his big point that he stuck to, a lot
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: of the hawks stick to this, is that Ariel Sharon
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: who was the sitting prime minister at the time, he
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: was actually against the war in Iraq. Now, that's not
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: exactly true He wanted George W. Bush to invade Iran first,
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: not Iraq. And then when he got assurances that Iran
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: would be next, he got on board. You could go
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: look at Sharon's speech. He gave a speech, I think
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: it was in August of 2002 to the Knesset. And
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: it's all about how Iraq is the biggest threat. They
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: have weapons of mass destruction. But the Mossad was cranking
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: out all types of BS intelligence about the nuclear weapons
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: that he could detonate in 15 minutes or whatever. It
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: was all nonsense. But if you're going to say that
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: that is evidence that Israel was not pushing us into
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: this because the sitting prime minister at the time didn't
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: like this war. Okay, but again, then how does the
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: current sitting Prime Minister of Israel feel about this war
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: in Iran? Because he's fighting it with us. And he
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: said after it started that this is the culmination of
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: his entire life's work. He has been trying to lie
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: our government into this war for my entire lifetime. Coming here,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: he testified how many times?
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: Do you remember the one where he testified with the
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: cartoon of a bomb?
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: At the UN.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: Cartoon.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: A bomb cartoon with percentages of.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: of the enriched uranium.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: And like a Daffy Duck bomb. Not like the bomb
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: that'll blow your beak around. A bowling ball with a fuse.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: And he was already up real high. He was already
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: up real high. No, dude, he was on record saying
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: that Iran was three to five years away from getting
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon in the 90s. In the 90s, yeah.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's just been lying through his teeth. And
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: there is something, look, man, there's something really profoundly dishonorable
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: about trying to lie another country Into war. Like, not
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: even trying to sell the war to your own people
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: and have your own military do it. But because you can't.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: There it is. Yeah, there we are. We were up
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: to 90%.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: First stage. No, it was first stage we were at.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: He was saying they've hit the first stage.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, oh, oh, excuse me. Okay, yeah, you're right. I
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: guess this is, we can't. We can't go any further. Mom!
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: It's just so ridiculous. And he knows, he knows he's lying.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: He's like your friend that, like, you've been friends with
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: since high school. And every time you go out, he
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: gets you in a fight. They're like, dude, don't do this.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: Those guys over there are a fucking problem. Let's go
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: over there and fuck them up. And all your buddies
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: are like, dude, this guy again?
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: Did I use that exact analogy when I debated Josh
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: Hammer at Princeton University? Or maybe it was with the
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: Charlie Cargill. It was one of the times I debated him.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: But I used that exact analogy. It was like, is
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: Israel an ally? And I was like, no. They're not
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: a good friend. If your friend's getting you in a
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: bar fight every night, stop hanging out with that guy.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: Bro, Tim Dillon did an ad. for NeuroGum and NeuroMints
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: on his podcast where he's like.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: I have a friend.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: Let's just call her Erica. And he does this Erica
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: Kirk ad. He doesn't say it's Erica Kirk for NeuroGum.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: Have you heard of Jamie? I think so. Oh, my God. Oh,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: my God.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: It's so funny.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: It's so crazy. He's so out of his– I fucking
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: love him so much. I'm so happy Tim Dillon's in
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: the world.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: He is the best.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: If you're not listening to his podcast and you want
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: a rational but hilarious take on all the fucking madness
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: that's going on with not just this war but the
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: Epstein Files, his episode of the Epstein Files, I hardly
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: ever tweet about other people's podcasts. I hardly ever tweet,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: but I posted it. I'm like, this is one of
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: the best podcasts about anything ever.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: His ability, Tim's ability to like rant- like a hilarious
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: rant that is laced with excellent points, but it's just
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: hilarious the whole time. And just him going off is
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: second to none. And he's sober. He just puts on
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: his magic glasses. It's him and Fuentes are the top two.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: But he buries Fuentes. Fuentes is really good. Fuentes has-
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: Tim can.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: Do something different than anybody else can do.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: Well, his ability to blend sarcasm- and just celebration of chaos.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's second to none.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: He's the best ranter that's ever walked the face of
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: the planet.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: I remember when I first met Tim in New York,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: back before he moved out to L.A. after that. But
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: when I first met him in New York, and he was,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: I think, like he was a green stand-up. I think
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: he hadn't been doing it for that long. But I
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: remember just like being on podcasts with him and just
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: being like, yo, this dude is going to be a
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: fucking superstar like it was just like his his ranting
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: like ability like he would go off on things where
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: you just find yourself like like you almost have a
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: moment you forget you're on the show with him yeah
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: you're like i'm just sitting here watching that and then
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: i'm like oh shit i'm here too i better say
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: something but like he's just unbelievable listen to this ad.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 6: Listen i don't know if i should tell this but
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 6: it does show how effective neuromint can be A friend
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 6: of mine, let's call her Erica. She's had a wild life,
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 6: this woman. She was in Romania. She had an orphanage.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 6: She was on a reality show. She married this famous guy.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 6: She was an intelligence asset. And I said to her,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 6: how do you do this? And she says, Tim.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 6: It's Neuro's energy.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: And focus mints.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 6: And I said, but how do you do it after
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 6: the guy, the husband and father, the kids gets murdered
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 6: and you're out there doing all kinds of stuff. You're
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 6: doing fundraisers and you're dancing around with glitter pants.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: How does this happen?
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 6: She goes, I could lie to you, but I'm telling
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 6: you it's Neuro's energy and focus mints.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: I said, really? She goes, sure.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 6: I said, how are you running this organization seven hours
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 6: after this guy got popped? She goes, a lot of
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 6: people speculate, but it's Neuro's Energy and Focus mints.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: I go, really?
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 6: She said, yeah, Neuro Energy and Focus is powered by
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 6: natural green tea caffeine, L-theanine for calm focus and vitamin
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 6: B12 and B6 for.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: I.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: Mean, whatever they're paying him, they should pay him more.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not enough. No one can pay him enough.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: He's the GOAT. Well, that'll also just make you remember
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: that product forever. Yeah.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: No, he's the greatest of all time. I'm trying to
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: figure out how to turn our racetrack sign on all
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: the way.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: Is it broken? Goddamn, we need a new one? I'll
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: get a hold of Bobby. He's the GOAT, dude.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: I had someone in the White House come up to
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: me and go, is.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: Tim Dillon really gay? I go, yeah, he's really gay.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: Like, you think he would fake that? Yeah. He goes,
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: how long have you known him? I go, I've known
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: him forever.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: He's really gay. Yeah. Well, he will, he's a real
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: good undercover, but every now and then you see it
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: come out. Every now and then you see, like, I remember,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: and this is back when he was young, and he
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: was broke at the time, but Tim was always kind
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: of a snob, even when he was, like, it was
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: always kind of, and I went, I forget what it was,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: but I was like, I was like, oh, we could
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: get food from this restaurant. And he goes, from there?
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: I go, yeah, they got good food. And he goes,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: You think that's good food? Because he's like a real
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: foodie or whatever. And I was just like, oh, I
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: saw it for a second there. Well, he used to
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: have money because he had money when he was selling.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: He had money in finance. Then he decided to be.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: Subprime mortgages.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: He was a part of the housing crisis. That's right.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: And he was doing cocaine back then. He did topple
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: the U.S. economy for a while. He was part of it.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: But then he got into comedy. He more than made
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: up for it. He's more than made up for that.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: This is where he belongs.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: He belongs in front of that screen. With the glasses on,
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: just going on these insane rants.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. He's so funny, man.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: His Epstein Files take was fucking genius, man.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: That was great. Dude, his thing about Sam Harris having
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: a meditation app and also supporting genocide was the most
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: hilarious thing ever. Like, what human being does both of those?
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: Such a great take on that. Oh, he's so funny, man. Yeah,
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: we're lucky, dude.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: We're... we're a part of a really cool group of
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: people right now. You know, it's a very unusual time
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: that the mainstream has lost all of its power of
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: influence on people. It still puts out information. It still
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: puts out shows, but they're trying to look like you,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: but they're funk.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: That was the, that Jake Tabber thing was so crazy.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: I was like, what are you doing? Are you doing
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: a podcast now?
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: Like, what are you doing? It's, oh, it's such a perfect,
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: like little microcosm though of like, it's almost painful. Like
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, just, Can you hire me? I mean, like,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: I would explain this to you.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: No, it wouldn't work either because they're so trained.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: It's like if you get a dog and that dog
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: has been maybe a cat might be a better example.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: If you never had a litter box in the house
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: and the cat's been pissing all over the carpet, you
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: are always going to have that cat piss on the carpet.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: That's what that cat does. You're not going to fix them.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: If your entire life you've been spitting out nonsense from
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: a teleprompter And now all of a sudden you have
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: to be yourself. You've been functioning in a world of
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: executives and producers where everybody goes over every little thing
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: you say and do. You 100% read things you know
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 3: aren't true or at least partially aren't true.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 5: For like everything.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Their whole setup is they're all trying to
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: look like podcasters. No. Wait a minute. They put mics
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: out like podcasters.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. Imagine if they think that's all it takes.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: Well, this is. But Joe, talk about completely missing the point. Right.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: It's just fundamentally missing it. Is that they go. They
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: actually go. Okay. So all of these people have left,
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: you know, watching cable news in droves. And now a
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: lot of people listen to podcasts. They'll listen to you
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: or Theo Vaughn or whoever it might be. And a
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: huge reason, right? why you've been number one for so
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: long now is because however anyone feels about you, you're authentic.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: And it's very hard to deny that. One of the
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: biggest questions I get when people meet me, if I
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: do meet and greet after shows or something, it's, What's
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: Joe Rogan like? Is a question I get all the time,
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: because we're buddies and I've been on the show a
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: lot of times, and people love you. And they'll go,
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: what's Joe Rogan like? And I always tell them the
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: same thing. I go, you already know. You already know
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: who he is. He's that guy. And then offstage, he's
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: that guy. You know what I mean? That's who he is.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: And people like that. People like that. Whatever you think
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: about Theo Vaughn, he's authentic. He's being himself. That's who
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: he is. Well, that's how it works. And because you
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: guys in the corporate media... are all professional liars and
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: have lied to the American people about the last 17 crises.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: You know, they don't trust you anymore. And so then
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: their reaction to that is you go, Well, what if
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: we pretended to be podcasters? You're like, no, you dummy.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: That's the whole thing. This is just proving further how
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: inauthentic you are. Do you think they have fucking meetings
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: on this? 100%. Like podcasters? 100% they do. Dude, they all,
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: this was to me, despite the fact that I, you know,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: and people can give me shit about voting for Donald
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: Trump and they could say I should have known better
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: and whatever. I was a huge critic of him in
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: his first term and I'm a huge critic of him
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: in his second term. But. The best thing about Donald
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: Trump winning in 24, and I did predict this right.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not always the best with predictions. I'm pretty good
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: on issues, I think, but I'm not great at predictions.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: They're tough. But the best thing about Donald Trump winning
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: was that the corporate media finally admitted it. They had
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: been pretending for so long. I remember we used to
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: joke about it. I remember coming on like a few
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: years ago, and we would joke about how Brian Stelter
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: would always, whenever he talked about you, he would always
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: kind of go like, the fringe Joe Rogan. Like as
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: if he's the mainstream and you're the fringe, as if
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: the numbers aren't readily available to all of us that
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: we could be like, your show has like 200,000 listening
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: and his has 20 million. So how is he the
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: fringe and you're the mainstream? I think they would pretend.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: Maybe they believed it. But that 24, the election, that's
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: when they all admitted it. And then the talking point
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: moved to we need to find our own Joe Rogan.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: the Democrats need to find a Joe Rogan or whatever.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: Remember that was like, so they kind of admitted that, Oh,
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: the podcasts have become the new mainstream and we are
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: the fringe.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: But the dumb part of that statement was you already
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: had me fucking idiots.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: You just lost your mind. I'm not right. And I'm
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: not left. Yeah.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: I think both of them suck. And I think the
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: adherence to the ideologies that the left supports or the
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: right supports is out of their fuck. You gotta be
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: out of your fucking mind. Whether it's he's, crackpot Christian
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: nationalists that think that this whole war is a way
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: to get Jesus to return.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: On a white horse.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: Do you see those guys that were talking during the
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: readiness fucking meeting? I think that's nuts too. I think
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: the woke shit and all the chaos of the fucking
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: last four years of having a completely open border and
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: the justifications of all these things, that's nuts too. I'm
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: not on either buddy's side, anyone's side.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: So the Democrats aren't ever going to get someone like
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: me because I'm not with either or.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not with either or.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: I'm with whoever fucking makes sense and no one makes
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: sense until AI comes along.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: I think they're going to do a really good job.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: President perplexity is going to run this country fairly and balanced.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: I'm willing to try it at this point.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: I'm fucking dead serious, man. As long as it doesn't
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: do something to harm people. As long as that's its goal,
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 3: its goal is just to manage society.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: It's a big if that you got there. But yes,
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: if we can get that.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: Enjoy the hive, Dave.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: But what you just said I think is really. Open
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: the pod door, Hal. This is something that I'm encouraged by.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: Is that I think what you just said there, I
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: really do believe that you speak for super majorities of
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: the American people. And that's why even though Donald Trump
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: has shattered his coalition by lying us into this stupid
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: war on behalf of a foreign country. that coalition is
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: still ripe for someone else to pick it up and
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: run with it. And that's kind of what I'm hoping.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: I hope Thomas Massey runs for president. I think, by
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: the way, they're doing a big money bomb for Thomas
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: Massey on March 30th. And I think him winning reelection
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: in Congress is like the most important political election in
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: the country right now, because he's done nothing wrong except
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: actually stand up for America first and for all the
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: stuff that Donald Trump and Tulsi Gabbard and all these
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: people ran on. And he's gotten The Israel lobby and
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: the Adelson's, but I repeat myself, have been pouring millions
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: of dollars into his race to try to unseat him
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: for the crime of not going along with the Epstein
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: cover up and not going along with another stupid war
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: and having some like fiscal sanity. So I hope I
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: hope he wins. I imagine those three negatives.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: Imagine those being three negatives that people are saying he's
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: not MAGA.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: Well, then, OK, well, then, well, if that's like I
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: don't know, like my position is always like if you're
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: saying if if not supporting covering up the Epstein files
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: or not supporting a stupid war of choice, a war
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: of aggression on behalf of Israel means I'm not MAGA, then, OK,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not MAGA. I don't I'm not attached to the
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: the the, you know, the phrase make America great again.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: I don't care that that phrase sucks.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing. Like, first of all, America is great.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: Make America greater.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: I'm down.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 3: But make America great again. And then it becomes a
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: movement of a bunch of fucking dorks because.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: A lot of them are dorks.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 3: A lot of them, these really weird, fucking uninteresting, unintelligent
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: people that have got something they cling to. And there's
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: a lot of people that are just real, genuine patriots.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: and they're all lumped into this one group, and you
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 3: gotta accept the dorks too.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: Fuck that.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: Like the concept of making America great is a great idea,
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: but as soon as you have a fucking team, and
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: you allow anybody to join up, You don't even have
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: tryouts for your team. So you've got a bunch of
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: fucking dipshits that are running around spouting out opinions and
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: you have to go along with them because they're MAGA.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: And then you've got bots online that are probably from
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 3: fucking Indonesia or Russia or wherever. And they're pretending they're
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: MAGA and they're saying crazy shit. So that's a part
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: of MAGA too. You've fucked up by becoming a part
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: of a group. Whether it's a Republican group, a Democrat group,
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: a MAGA group, a fucking woke group, whatever it is,
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: you fucked up by.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: Being in a group.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, George Carlin said people are great as individuals, but
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: when they get in a group, man, they're the worst
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: things in the world. And that's why it should be
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: about the issues. It should be about your principles and
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: what you believe in. And you should be like, look,
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: I've said many nice things about Tulsi Gabbard over the years,
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: and I was Extremely critical of her over since last
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: summer into now because I think she's lying us into
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: a war Which is the war that she was always
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: opposed to the one though what she sold no war
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: with Iran t-shirts She like this was literally.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: Lying us into this war.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: So lat well, that's a big statement. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: So this and it's it's true So last summer so
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: Tulsi Gabbard had given her the as the director of
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: national intelligence does every year They give their annual threat
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: assessment And she testified before Congress about it. And she,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: it was very clear in her annual threat assessment that
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: Iran was not attempting to build nuclear weapons, that they
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: had not yet made the political decision to attempt to
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: build nuclear weapons, let alone like are actually going for it.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: And she testified before Congress saying the same thing. And
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: then after negotiation, while they were negotiating, Israel sneak attacks them.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: Then she had some post where she goes, Iran could be,
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: weeks or months away from nuclear weapons, which was total bullshit.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: It made absolutely no sense at all.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: Let me see what the Post has.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: Sure. If you could find it, this is from last,
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: it must have been last June. Right, but is that
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: a fact?
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: So if they're enriching uranium up to 60% and they
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: just have to enrich it further for the ability to
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: use it in nuclear weapons, that is a couple weeks away.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: No, but not before it would be. To build a
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: bomb and to make it deliverable, I think all the
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: experts say at least a couple years. But the point
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: aside from that is that At the time, and this
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: is over now, but at the time, Iran was still
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: members of the JCPOA. They were still in it. What
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: is that? This is the Iran deal that Obama got
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: us into. Obama is horrible on foreign policy. He's the
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: butcher of Libya and Syria and Yemen. He surged in Afghanistan.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: But in Iran, he made a deal with them. But
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: it wasn't just with the U.S. and Iran. It also
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: involved Russia, Iran. and France and England, and there were
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: other countries involved in it too. And the JCPOA said
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: that Iran couldn't enrich above, I think it was three
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: to 5% or something like that, and they were staying
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: in it. And it created a new inspections regime, which Iran,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: so they were having full inspections, they weren't, but the
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: deal also said that if America gets out of the deal,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: they can enrich up to higher. So when America got
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: out of the deal, they started enriching. And when did
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: America get out of the deal? Donald Trump tore it
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: up in his first term. I want to say 2017
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: or 2018.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: And then they immediately started enriching?
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: No, they went up a little bit, and then I
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: think there were a couple Israeli attacks, and then they
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: went up to enriching at 60%. But so the reason
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: we knew they were enriching up to 60% is because
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: they were still members of the JCPOA with an inspections
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: regime who was going in there and saying they're enriching
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: up to 60%.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: Right, but how much do you actually know about enriching
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: uranium and what it takes to turn it into a bomb?
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: Let's read what she says. New intelligence.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 3: Confirm what POTUS has stated numerous times. Iran's nuclear facilities
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: have been destroyed.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: I think this is after. This isn't the right one.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: Her tweet was before.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: This is from June.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this would have been just shortly before this. Very recently.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: Her tweet was before we hit Fordow.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is June 25th. There's a recent one, though. Oh, edited.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: June 25th.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it seems like it was still edited the
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: day it was posted.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: Probably.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: Can you go to her page? Because she doesn't tweet
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: a lot. She's not a psycho.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: She's not one of those. If she tweets, it's generally
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: something important. Or someone from our team is.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: So is this the, hold on, above that, overwhelmingly elected
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: by the, click on that show more.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: I think that's it.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: Well, this is what she testified to Congress this time.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: I was referring to a different one from that. But
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: I also think this is a lie. I mean, for
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: her to say that the president determines what is an
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: imminent threat or is not, no, either there is an
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: imminent threat or there is not one. This is like
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: saying the president determines the weather or something like that.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: But you're taking her words out of context. She's saying
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: something that's factually correct.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 3: As our commander in chief, he is responsible for determining
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: what is and is not an imminent threat.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: That is true.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: And whether or not to take action, he deems necessary
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 3: to protect the safety and security of our troops, the
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 3: American people, and our country.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: That's just an actual fact.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: Fair enough. But when she testified before Congress, they asked her, like,
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: They asked her point blank a bunch of times about this.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: And then she goes, that's not my job to determine
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: what's an imminent threat. That's the job of the president.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: And if he says it is, then it is.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: OK, so look at this here. Initially, she's contradicting Trump,
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 3: saying that Iran did not rebuild after the 2025 strikes,
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 3: contradicting Trump. So this is also from Time magazine. So
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 3: she's saying that. Now, what you're saying that she said
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: earlier was a lie is not a lie, dude, because
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 3: that is actually.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: His— Well, I wasn't referring to that.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: I understand.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: But you did say that was a lie, what she
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: said was a lie. Okay, fair enough. That was not
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: a lie. But it is— But it's actually correct.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 3: And if you're in a position like she's in, where
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: you've got that guy breathing down your neck and you're
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 3: forced to make a statement, you've got to tread— very
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 3: carefully on this tight rope that you're walking.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, fine. But let's just say, hypothetically, that you know
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: for a fact that Iran did not pose an imminent threat.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: And then that's your answer when you're asked if they did.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 4: Fine.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: It's not a lie. But it is very misleading, to
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: say the least.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: How much.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 3: Intel Chief Gabbard declines to say if Iran posed an
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 3: imminent threat to the U.S.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: She declined to say... on her own, personally. This is
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: the congressional testimony. Yes, yes, yes. I think this is
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: what I was referring to here. And she does at
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: one point say that it's not her job to make
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: that determination, which I do think is her entire job.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: It's interesting. Look, maybe I'm being a little harsh by
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: saying lying in that example. And fair enough to your
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: point there. That technically is a true statement. I do
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: think it's very misleading. And I do think that she
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: really was the one who advocated against this specific war
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: for the reasons that we're seeing unfold right now. And
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: I do think, I get your point. It's a very
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: tough tightrope to walk. The options are essentially, I think,
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: to do what Joe Kent did and resign or to
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: stay on and support the thing. I mean, I think
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to thread that needle.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 3: Do you think that there is any value in being
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 3: one of the few reasonable voices that has his ear?
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 3: If ultimately it is his responsibility to determine what's an
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 3: imminent threat and what is not, I would imagine that
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 3: she gets access to most of the same classified information
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 3: that he does as the director of national intelligence.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know, though.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know how it works. But what can she
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: do other than try to be a voice of reason
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: if ultimately this guy is going to do what he
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: wants to do.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: And he's going to do it also what Israel wants
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: to do clearly. And he's talked about it, you.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 3: Know, and also in his first term, I'll never forget
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 3: this fucking conversation that he had with Steve Hilton. Cause
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 3: I think it was one of the first times since
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 3: I've seen a president say, and Steve Hilton, by the way,
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 3: I've been friends with him for 12 or 13 years,
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 3: met him and his family in Maui on the beach.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 3: When my daughter's really young and his kids are really young,
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 3: they became friends. We've hung out together, vacation together. He's
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 3: a sweetheart of a guy. I love that guy.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: And when he was interviewing Trump, Trump said that there
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: is a military industrial complex and these guys want to
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: go to war.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: Yep. And we were like, what? This is crazy.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: You're just saying that? Like, you're just saying that. It's
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: one of the many reasons.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: Why a lot of people liked him. Oh, yeah.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 3: Because he would do things like that where he would
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 3: completely break protocol and just say, let me know. Let
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 3: me let you know, rather. Let me inform you, there's
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 3: a bunch of people that want to go to war,
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 3: and they're pushing me all the time to go to war.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 3: That's what they want.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: It was so crazy, dude, because also even Eisenhower, when
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: he coined the term, it was in his farewell address
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: to the nation. He was literally like, this is my
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: last stop, and then I'm leaving. Trump was just in
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: the middle of his presidency, and he goes, all of
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: them want war. They all want me to be in
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: war all the time. If it was up to them,
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: we'd always be at war. And I do, you know, now, look,
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: that was great. I thought actually the one to me
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: that was even crazier was if you remember when Bill
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: O'Reilly- was interviewing him, and he's talking about Vladimir Putin,
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 1: and he goes, he's like, oh, well, you won't, you know,
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: at the time, Donald Trump, which he had run on,
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: he was saying, we should have detente with Russia. He goes, like,
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: why do we, you know, we have all the nuclear weapons. Yeah,
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: he goes, Putin's a killer. You want to have a
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: detente with a killer? And he goes, we got a
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: lot of killers, too. And then he goes, whoa, whoa, whoa,
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: what do you mean we got a lot of killers, too?
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 1: And he goes, what was Iraq? What was that? We
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: got a lot of killers on our side too. And
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: then Bill O'Reilly's like, well, I mean, Iraq was a mistake,
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: but he goes, yeah, we got a lot of killers too.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: And I love that, by the way. I mean, that
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: was a- That's breaking protocol. Yes, yes. Well, I think
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: this is kind of, I think one of the main
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: reasons why the establishment revolted against Trump the way they did.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: There's something very scary to the powers that be about
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: a guy who like, by his very nature- Like, I
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: don't even think he's capable of not letting things slip. Right.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, he's just that's who
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: he is. And that, you know, was a big thing
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: that people really didn't like about him. Very interesting to
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: me is that so many of the never Trumpers have
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: come to define his presidency. Like, if you if you
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: remember back in 2016, the the the. war hawk kind
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: of Israel first or Republican crowd, the neocons and all them.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: They hated Donald Trump, hated him with a passion. Ben
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: Shapiro was a never Trumper. He said because of his
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: deeply held principles, he could never support Donald Trump. Mark
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: Levin was a never Trumper, all of National Review, all
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: of them. And now they are the biggest Trump supporters
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: ever as kind of he's blown up the coalition that
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: got him elected. So it's kind of interesting that they all,
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, but again, tell those guys to
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: all stay off Twitter. There's not one thing that they
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: ever say that makes them look better. They get in
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: these silly fucking, they just feel like they're going to
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: make some stupid fucking statement and then refute a couple
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: of people and don't understand the crowd reaction when you've
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: got thousands of people tweeting against you now. Thousands just
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: attacking you destroying you posting memes posting videos. You said
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: this and you said that you piece of shit It's amazing.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. I gotta say I do love that dynamic
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: of it There's something that's why I stay off of it. Yeah. Well,
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: that's you look there's problems with it But there is
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: something about that dynamic now that was just never true
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: in the past where it's like look I'm not saying
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: it's perfect and obviously there's bots and there's things like that.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: So it's not like up but I The people kind
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: of get a voice in a way that they never
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: had before. And there is something kind of cool about that.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent. I love it.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 3: But it's not all the people either. It's a lot
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 3: of fake people. There's a lot of like state-sponsored actors.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: No, that's true. That's true. There's manipulation. But there was
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: always manipulation in the old order also. Do you see
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: this YouTube bot farm that they just busted? No.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 3: They busted this fucking warehouse had cell phones all rigged
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 3: up for YouTube views. People just they would just hire
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 3: a company and say hey, you know part of the
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 3: problems I'd really like to blow the fuck up and
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 3: get to number one and you hire them and they
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 3: can get views Interesting.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also I mean, I guess if we got advertisements,
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: that's legit fraud 100% like actual fraud 100% and kind
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: of a weird loophole where I don't think it's illegal
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: and Yeah, that's got to be. So there's a bot.
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: It's got to be some type of fraud, though. If
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: you're like if you're intentionally doing that, like maybe if
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: you didn't know. Right. You could.
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: But but listen, Twitter pays people. X pays people to post.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: So you pay based on engagement.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 3: That's how you get paid. So you farm out engagement. So, like,
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 3: what percentage of what we're interacting with is just horseshit?
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I got, so, what does it say here?
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 4: I know this story just happened.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 5: A guy got arrested and had to plead guilty because
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 5: he made, I think, I think what happens, he made
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 5: a fake ban.
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he had an AR-generated song. Oh, wow.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 3: It played billions of times in an effort to mimic
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 3: the genuine streaming activity of real consumers. Smith pled guilty today,
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 3: conspiracy to commit wire fraud.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: Wire fraud.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 4: Check this out, though. I heard a similar story in Japan.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: First of all, let me stop you right there.
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: Michael Smith generated thousands of fake songs using artificial intelligence.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 3: Stop talking shit about AI music because it's not fake.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 3: Those are real songs. Don't say fake songs. They're real
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 3: songs and some of them are fucking bangers.
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, some of them are really good.
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 4: You're going to like what I was going to say then.
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 5: A guy was doing this in Japan and it got
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 5: viral and so he hired people to be the band.
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 4: And now the band is a real band.
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: Whoa. Kind of popular. So AI is creating jobs in
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: this case.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 3: Shifty Brent rules, though. You can never create him in
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 3: real life. He's the guy who does the 50-cent ones.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen quite a few of those.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: First of all, that guy was real.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: He'd have lungs like a fucking ultramarathon runner because the flow. Like,
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: how can you even have air to say what you're saying?
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 3: Like, someone was saying that to me. She was like,
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 3: I think you couldn't do this. And my argument was Eminem.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, you could. You just have to
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 3: be wicked at it, like Eminem.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: Like, Eminem in his prime, that motherfucker could spit in
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: a way where you're like, I can't believe he's still talking.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, I remember there were a couple of
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: his things where I was like, I don't, can he
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: actually do this? And then I saw him do it live.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: Not like I was there, but saw it on YouTube,
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: where you're like, oh, he can actually rap like this.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 2: I saw him recently. I saw him recently. It was
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: fucking great. He's still great.
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: He's thin. He looks good. Yeah, he was killing it, man.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: He was killing it.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 3: But the speed in which that he can rap, Made
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 3: me go, maybe AI is not bullshit. But 50 Cent
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 3: himself was much.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: More casual in his delivery.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: Yes. And it was much slower. The Shifty Brent AI.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: Version is like, damn, that was a real person?
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: That'd be pretty great. He would be the greatest artist
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: on earth. There was a guy, I can't remember his name,
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: but just like the other day, some guy, he works
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: for Fox News. And he came out and had a
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: whole post about me. And he goes, Dave Smith's account
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: is clearly botted by foreign. And when he said that,
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: I was almost kind of like, this is a weird thing.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: I know I've never paid for anything, but I don't
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, like what someone else might have
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: done or something like that. But I asked him, so
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: I replied to him and I go, wait, what evidence
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: do you have of this? And then his post was
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: that he said, because I had 900,000 followers on Twitter-
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: but I'm playing Laugh Boston this weekend. and he goes,
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: that's a 300 seat venue.
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: So, obviously. Well, I was like, first of all, he
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 2: doesn't understand comedy clubs. I was like, you just don't
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 2: get comedy clubs, dude. Like, this is not, and first
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: of all, I'm doing five shows there. By the way,
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: come on out this weekend.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: Great club. Great club. One of my favorite weekends of
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: last year. It's a fucking great room. But I was like, look, man,
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 1: I sold out all the shows last year. Hoping to
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: do the same this year. But I go, that is any, like,
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: I just know the industry of standup comedy pretty well.
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: I was like anybody who you're saying would be selling
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: more than that So what selling out big theaters or
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: selling out a stadium or something like that? All the
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: people who do that have more followers than me. So
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: like he's not even right about the ratio of it
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: or whatever He doesn't understand but then I kind of
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: like I grilled him on it a bit more cuz
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: listen I'm kind of like you like when you were
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: talking about suing CNN back in the day for slandering
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 1: you like I'm never actually gonna do it, but I
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: don't mind that Saying it. You know what I mean?
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: So I tagged Fox News and I go, hey, Fox News,
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: shouldn't you have some evidence if you're going to make
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: a claim like I'm clearly bodied by foreign influence or whatever?
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: Fox News actually said it? The guy works for Fox News.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: Was he on Fox News when he said it? No,
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: he said it on Twitter. But he's like a Fox
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: News contributor or something like that. But I'm a UFC contributor.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't be like the UFC. Yeah, I guess that's true.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, maybe it would just be him
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: in either way. I'm not suing anyone. But I did
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: want him to just, I go, just admit you don't
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: have any evidence for this. Like just retract that. Well,
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: here's the thing.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 3: I would agree that your account is botted because you're
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 3: a very controversial public figure.
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: So I'm sure all of them are. I'm sure my
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 2: account is botted too. I'm sure Jamie's account is botted.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 5: 100%, right?
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: I think Jamie might be a bot himself. We're all botted, man.
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 3: If you look at, you know, we've brought up this
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 3: up a million times, but there was an FBI, former
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 3: FBI analyst who analyzed Twitter before the purchase, and it
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 3: was his take that as much as 80% might be artificial.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: Now, this is back then.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 3: This is before Elon purchased it. I think they've done,
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 3: they've taken some steps forward. to try to ensure one
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 3: of the things is you have to, you could go
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 3: to the person's page, you could see what country they're
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 3: posting from.
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, I like that a lot. Yeah, because there's a
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: lot of people that are like pro-America, and you're like,
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: hey man, you're in Pakistan. Like, what's going on here?
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: This is kind of kooky. So there's a lot of
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: that going on. I've had before where people go like, Dave,
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: you always say Israel's trying to lie us into war,
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: but this is America. We decide what war we're going
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: to fight. And then you click it. Israel.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 3: But at least we're getting steps to know those. Listen,
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 3: if it wasn't for Elon Musk, we would be fucked.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 3: I've said this before. I'll say it again. History will
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 3: go back and look at his purchasing Twitter and it.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 3: It has changed the course of communication in this country
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 3: for the better.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: No question. I know a lot of you thought, oh,
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: my God, the racism is up and all this stuff
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: is up. That's people. That's the Internet.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 3: That is an accurate representation of people.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: It's not good, but it's also accurate. And the only
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 2: way that's going to change is if the other voices
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 2: are more compelling. and at least now they have an
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 2: opportunity to do that.
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and you have to kind of engage in this, whether,
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: and I'm not saying you have to be on Twitter
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: or something like that, but I'm just saying, like, if
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: you wanna, you know, I would love very much to
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: get to a place where like, you'd be like, hey,
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: let's all agree that we're not on board with the
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: bigotry stuff. And I mean this like, whether it's against
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 1: white men, or whether it's against black men, or whether
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: it's against Jews, or whether it's against Muslims, or whatever.
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: And I see a whole lot of all of that.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: And I'd love to move past that. I also would, like,
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: I wish there was a way that like, Mark Levin
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: and Tucker Carlson could have like a cool conversation. You
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? And not like, not like be like,
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: well look, it's not. I wish Santa Claus and Jesus
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: would come meet me for dinner. Well, both would be nice.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: The latter is more likely, I think too, at this point.
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: You know, I had a weird thing. I don't know
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 1: if you saw this, but Ben Shapiro had, he made
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: this video about like, about Piers Morgan and like going
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: at him over having me on the show. And he
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: went in this whole thing and, So he says to me,
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: or he insults me a few times or whatever. And
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: then he goes out. Now, I can hear Dave Smith
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: right now. And his response to this is, debate me, bro. Which,
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: fair enough. That kind of is always my... I only
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: have one tool in my toolkit. Like, let's podcast about this.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Like, this is what I do. I talk.
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: He's not willing to do that?
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: He goes, no, because you're like so... He said, because
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: I won't, I don't debate such intellectually dishonest people or
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: something like that, which I thought was a weird criticism
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: of me. Like you could say I'm wrong, but I
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: do believe the shit I say. Yeah.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 2: I don't think you're in the, I don't think in
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: any demonstration of any, I don't think there's a single
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 2: moment that I could point to that. I think that
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 2: you've been intellectually dishonest. I think that is like factually incorrect. Well,
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 2: that is gaslighting.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: You are very honest. You're a very honest person. Well,
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: thank you. I try to be. No, you are.
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 3: It's one of the things I love about you. You're
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 3: honest about your fuck-ups. You're honest about what you're incorrect
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 3: about and what bothered you.
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 1: I've got plenty. About things that you've said. You're very honest.
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 2: So that's a silly thing to say. That's total gaslighting.
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 1: Well, I look at it like this, and I don't— Honestly, like, obviously,
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 1: if Ben Shapiro wanted to debate, I would do it.
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 1: But he debated everybody before all this shit went down. Well,
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 1: that's the thing. You go, dude, you can't say I'm
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: beyond the pale when you're known for debating 19-year-olds who
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 1: are confused about their gender. You know what I'm saying?
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: Everybody.
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know if you remember this. And this,
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 1: to me, I actually think is very interesting. But I
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 1: don't know if you remember this. But on this show,
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: Ben was on years ago. You know, years before October
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: 7th or anything like that. But he was talking about
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: Israel and his defense for Israel. And you went, that's interesting.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: Would you ever debate someone, you know, who's a critic
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: of Israel? And just generically, not about a specific person.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: And he goes, absolutely. I'd be happy to do that. And,
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: you know, the thing about guys like that is that,
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 1: particularly with Ben Shapiro, for the last two and a
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: half years, his number one issue, Israel, has been the
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: number one topic of conversation. And in that time, Israel's
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: support has been bleeding. I mean, just like... To a
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 1: level you couldn't have imagined. You couldn't have imagined two
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: and a half years ago to go, this will be
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: a pro-Palestinian country. That was unthinkable. And it's become that.
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 1: And forget me. There's way better people than me. But
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro debated no one. He never once had a
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: conversation with a competent critic. Of Israel. And that, listen,
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: people saw that. People noticed that. And so I kind
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: of in a weird way feel like, it's like, hey, dude,
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 1: I don't care if you do the debate with me
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 1: or not. I wish, I don't think we ever can.
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: I wish there would be a world where we could
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: have a good faith conversation, like a guy with me
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 1: and Ben Shapiro. But he refused to do it with anyone. Anyway,
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 1: so while you're smearing everybody who's a critic of Israel,
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: you're not willing to like, you, listen, there are some
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 1: people who don't debate. But he branded himself as the
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: debate guy. Right.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 3: If you don't like Dave, sit down with Scott Horton.
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: Sure. Absolutely. Scott Horton's way smarter than me and knows
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 1: way more shit than me anyway. So talk to him
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 1: about it, dude.
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: He's a better guy.
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 3: If you're saying that this is the reason why you
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 3: won't do it, that sounds crazy. Because wouldn't you want
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 3: to debate someone who's intellectually dishonest? Because it would be
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 3: so easy to refute them with facts.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: It would be perfect. It's like sparring a guy who
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: knows fake kung fu. You know, he thinks he's got
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: a death touch, and you're Dustin Poirier. You're like, oh, yeah, bro,
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 2: lace the gloves up.
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: Let's go. Well, that was kind of my thing with
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 1: the Douglas Murray thing, too, where it was like at
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: a certain point, you're like, dude, you can't just say
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 1: you're an expert and I'm not an expert. Demonstrate that.
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 1: If that's the case, then it should be easy for
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: you to just chop me up in front of the
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 1: world right now. There was also some things that you
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 1: had to correct him on. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 2: The history of Israel.
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like he just got it wrong.
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 3: And you could see, like, the tremor in his eyes, like, oh, shit. Like,
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 3: they don't want to give up that ground because they're
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 3: playing a very different game. And the game is not
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 3: let's be intellectually honest about what we think is going
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 3: on and what we think is good and bad about
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 3: what's going on versus I'm trying to win. And one
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 3: of the ways I try to win is by I
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 3: can appeal to authority. You're not an expert.
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 2: You're not a this. You're not a professor. You've never
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: been there.
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that kind of shit. That is all like hack-ass.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 2: Fake kung fu moves. You know, you're going to try
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 2: on Francis Ngannou. You know what I mean?
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Good luck with that. Not that I'm comparing you
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: to Francis Ngannou. That's very disrespectful to Francis. Certainly not
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 1: when it comes to fighting. You'd much rather fight me.
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 3: This is Ronda Rousey card. They got Francis fighting Phillip Lins.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 3: Phillip Lins, who's a light heavyweight in the UFC.
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: And the UFC cut him.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 1: And he's fighting the scariest heavyweight who's ever walked the
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: face of the earth.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, props to him. Next to primetime Alistair Overeem.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 3: Primetime Alistair Overeem when he was Ubering, I think is
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 3: even scarier. I think because he was way skillful. He
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 3: was terrifying when he was on the sauce.
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, but even... Francis is natural, so he's scarier. Francis
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: almost has a thing where it just seems like you
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: have to fight a perfect fight against him. Which Stipe
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 1: Miocic did. The first fight. Their first fight with him.
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 1: He took a lot of shots. That's the thing about Stipe. Like,
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 1: Stipe could take a shot. And you would see he would, like,
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: jab him and he'd be rocked. But he'd still get
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: the takedown and he'd still.
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 3: He beat him with skill, strategy, experience, everything. But in
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 3: the second one, DC said it best. He goes, a
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 3: patient Francis is a fucking terrifying thing.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 1: Dude, my favorite commentary ever in a fight was when
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 1: DC said it was just so hilarious to me. It
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: was so real. Like, he just meant it. But it
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 1: was when Francis Ngannou fought Gan, and he grappled a
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: little bit in that fight, which we had never seen
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 1: him do before. But there was one point where he
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 1: was on the ground, and he, like, took his back
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 1: or something like that. Like, he passed his guard or
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: he took his back or something like that. And DC
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: just goes, oh my God, he's doing jujitsu now. It
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 1: was like he was speaking of a robot who just
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 1: learned how to feel feelings. He goes, oh my God,
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 1: it's learning. It's advancing. This is so terrifying.
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 2: A guy that's that much of a destroyer that learns
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 2: how to take backs and strangle people too and control
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: you from the back and blast you unconscious like he
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 2: did with that dude in the PFL in.
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 1: His last fight.
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 2: Took his back and just blasted him into the netherworld.
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's scary. He's the scariest guy that's ever fought
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 1: in the UFC. Props to that dude for taking the fight.
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 1: Scariest natural clean guy. I should say that. Fair enough.
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 1: Fair enough.
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 3: Because we only got a couple Alistair Overeem fights where
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 3: he was Overeem.
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 1: The big one being Brock Lesnar. That was the big one. And,
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 1: of course, the other fight on that card that they added,
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 1: which is huge, is the Nate Diaz. Well, here was
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 1: my point. If Nate Diaz is fighting, I'm paying whatever
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 1: you're charging. I'm going to be wherever it is.
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: And it's Mike Perry.
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 1: Great fight. Bad motherfucker. That's a great fight.
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 3: But my point is they also have Rob Bellis to
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 3: Spain who's on that card. who's a six foot seven
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 3: Cuban Taekwondo expert, who's a heavyweight, he's a knockout artist.
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 3: Like why didn't they have him? He's fighting Junior Dos Santos.
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 3: And Junior Dos Santos is, you know, he was an
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 3: all-time great, but he had.
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 1: A long career, and he's had some bad knockouts. And
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 1: some wars, too.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 2: Bad wars. The wars with Cain Velasquez took years off
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: his life. The war with Stipe. It was almost criminal
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: that they didn't stop both of those fights.
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 3: Well, they were definitely horrible and terrible to watch, but
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 3: the point is, Robles is huge. He's a real heavyweight.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 3: He's a big, giant knockout artist. Like, that would have
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 3: been an interesting fight versus Francis. Big, super tall guy
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 3: that's hard to hit.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 3: And if it just is a striking fight, the problem
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 3: with Robel is he got exposed in his last UFC
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 3: fight on the ground. He got beat up. His ground
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 3: game's not that good. Could have gotten better, but on
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 3: the feet, that's a little bit more interesting to me
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 3: than Phillip. Although Phillip's a skillful fighter. You know, he's
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 3: used to fighting at light heavyweight. The UFC cuts him,
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 3: and now all of a sudden he's fighting against Francis.
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a little bit of a... A mismatch. But, hey,
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we've seen crazy shit happen in
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 1: MMA before.
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: Felipe. I think it's pronounced Felipe. Felipe Lins.
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 3: But he's a good fighter. I mean, it's not a
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 3: bad fight in that sense. But it's like you're going
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 3: up against a guy with a chip on his shoulder
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 3: that they're paying $ 20 million.
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: He's the lineal. I don't know what they're paying him.
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 2: I'm just guessing. But he's the lineal heavyweight champion of
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: the world.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 1: The real one.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 3: Like, if you really, like, plot it out, no one
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 3: beat him for the title, that's a crazy fight. It's
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 3: like that's how shallow the heavyweight division is outside of
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 3: the UFC.
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 2: There's so few fights for you to get Francis for.
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 2: There's so few fights in the UFC.
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, the UFC's heavyweight division is a real mess.
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 1: It's very hard to find gigantic men who are excellent fighters,
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 1: I guess. There's a lot in Russia, okay?
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 3: There's guys that are fighting in other countries that are
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 3: really good, that are coming up.
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 1: It's just like it's hard to get them over here.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 1: There's Josh Hokut. He's a bad motherfucker.
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 2: That wrestler dude who's crazy, who has these crazy speeches
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 2: after the fight, puts on an American flag bandana. And
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 2: he said, Brittany Griner has a dick.
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: Brittany Griner's a man. I forget what he said. But
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 1: he's just nuts.
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 2: But he's also really smart about marketing.
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 1: Who's the other guy? You talked about him several times.
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 1: He's the Olympic wrestler. guy uh oh gabe gabe yeah.
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 3: Gable gable he's yeah he's not in yet though he's
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 3: not in i had him on the podcast he's not
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 3: in the ufc.
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 1: Yet yeah but when he's in the ufc he's.
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 3: Going to be a fucking problem olympic gold medalist elite
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 3: wrestler moves like a cat 250 pounds young super dedicated
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 3: and just recently learned striking and is fucking people.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 2: Up with his hands yeah And is picking it up
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 2: quite quickly. And is a Jon Jones protege. So he's
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 2: been being mentored by the GOAT and absorbing his mindset.
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 3: And that guy's helping him. He's investing his time into
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 3: training him. If you're a young guy, you know what
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 3: a fucking boost of confidence, the greatest of all time,
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 3: says you're going to be the man? You're going to
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 3: be the fucking man. You just stick with this plan.
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 3: And they're bringing him up the right way. He fought
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 3: in dirty boxing. He fought some small MMA organizations. He's
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 3: just like building up experience.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's not– there's never been a lot of–
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 1: but there's not really right now in the heavyweight landscape.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: There isn't really like a Frank Mir or– what's his
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 1: name– Minotaur no Gara no Gara where there used to
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: be these like guys who were like kind of known
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 1: for fighting off their back You know what? I mean
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 1: like most heavyweights don't really like fighting off their back
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 1: these even the guys who are really good at jiu-jitsu
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 1: I also think just in general fighting off your back
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 1: is a lot harder than it used to be.
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 2: A Brie seal for doom was the greatest.
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, that's a great He was incredible stat. Um,
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 1: but there aren't really that many guys like that a
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 1: lot of these guys you take them down They're in trouble.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you got a guy like Gable, guess
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 2: what bitch? You're going to get taken down.
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 1: And there's not a fucking thing you can do about it.
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 1: That is a next level wrestler. I just saw one
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 1: of his recent fights where he's finishing a double leg fight.
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 1: Before he realized he knocked the guy out, it seemed like.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 2: He KO's him with a left hook and he's so
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 2: fast that as the guy's collapsing on the way down,
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 2: he shoots a double, connects, takes him to the ground
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 2: while he's unconscious.
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 3: So before the guy has a chance to drop, that's
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 3: how fast he is. He's already on him, taking him
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 3: down and pounds him out while he's already unconscious.
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was scary. That guy's a problem.
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 2: He's a problem.
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 1: And that's an American heavyweight motherfucker.
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 2: We need one of those. We need some American champions.
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 1: We're down. Get him in the White House. Yeah. I mean,
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 1: are there any American champions right now? Who are the
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 1: American champions?
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 3: Mackenzie Dern is the strawweight champion, so she's technically an American,
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 3: although her dad is a very famous Brazilian legend.
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah.
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 3: Megaton Diaz is her dad, and she was a Brazilian
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 3: jiu-jitsu champion.
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 1: But she is American, so she's a champion. Other than that, who?
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 2: Who?
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 1: Sean Strickland's fighting for the title. Kayla Harrison.
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 2: That's right. So it's only women that are the Americans.
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Look at that. Boy, you're going to see a
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 1: lot of those dudes with those beards. As they keep
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 1: coming over here, you're going to see a lot. Joshua
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 1: Vann is an American. That's right.
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 3: You're going to see a lot of those dudes. That's
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 3: a caveat, though, the Joshua Vann. No disrespect for Joshua
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 3: because I think he's an awesome fighter. But he won
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 3: that fight. We got to have a rematch on that one.
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 3: That was a freak injury. I mean, he fell and
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 3: dislocated his arm. It's a complete freak injury. And Pantoja
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 3: still hasn't fully recovered from that. So it was pretty bad.
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 3: Whatever the fuck.
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 1: They said his shoulder dislocated and his elbow. Yeah, I
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 1: remember hearing that afterward. It looked like it was just
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 1: his elbow.
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 2: But they said, the doctor had said it was his shoulder.
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 3: And so the thing about the elbow is the elbow
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 3: is a less complicated joint, right? And so when the
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 3: elbow gets dislocated, if someone just pulls on it, it
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 3: can pop back into place.
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 2: So like saying that there's as long.
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 1: As they know what they're doing, right?
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 3: Because you don't want to do it like Yuri Prohaska's
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 3: team did and rip his shoulder. apart and they needed
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 3: surgery he probably needed surgery anyway if it was dislocating
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 3: like that it was probably loose but the point is
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 3: that like his elbow might have popped back into place
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 3: by the time they brought him backstage and that's when
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 3: they realized his shoulder was fucked because his shoulder probably
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 3: hurt more.
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 1: Even right right right That was unfortunate because that was
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 1: a real interesting fight.
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 3: Shoulders dislocate a lot. And sometimes people dislocate their shoulders
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 3: and don't even realize they do.
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 3: Apparently, according to this orthopedic surgeon that I went to
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 3: back in the day before I realized that stem cells
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 3: could fix it, this guy was convincing me that I
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 3: had to have surgery. And one of the things he said,
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 3: do you know that your shoulder's been dislocated? And I said,
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 3: it has? He goes, you didn't know?
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 1: I go, no.
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 2: He goes, how many times have you hurt your shoulder?
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 1: I go, how much time you got?
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 2: Sit down and talk about how many times I've been comorbid.
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 2: How many times I've been fucking arm blocked. How many
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 2: times I've been caught in a triangle. How many times,
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 2: you know, posting on the ground. I've jostled my shoulder.
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 2: The good news is there have been no fracture or
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 2: ligament injury.
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's Bahampa said that. So from that, we have
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 3: great expectations for his return. But the exact time frame
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 3: is still unknown. Still needs a lot of physiotherapy. Start
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 3: moving his arm. Wow, then he can go back to
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 3: light training and then hard training. Bro, we got to
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 3: get that guy down to fucking the CPI in, you know.
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 2: The cellular performance institute that the UFC uses. Get that
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 2: dude down to Tijuana.
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 1: I'm worried about the new model for the UFC. The
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 1: Paramount model? I'm worried about the Warren Aran and the
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 1: new UFC model. This is what keeps me up at night.
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 2: So what are you worried about with the new UFC model?
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 1: Look, I'm no genius. But it seems to me, like
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 1: I'm a hardcore fan of the UFC, right? So I was,
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 1: you know, I order every pay-per-view, every one. And so
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 1: any Saturday, if I'm on the road in my green room,
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 1: we're watching the UFC. If I'm not on the road,
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 1: I'm either at home watching it or I'm trying to
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 1: go to the event if it's in town. So then
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, ESPN is over. We're not doing that anymore.
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 1: So then they go, we're switching to Paramount. Now, I
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 1: already had Paramount, because my kids like some shows on Paramount.
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 1: So now- Landman. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I watched Landman. Great show.
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 1: So I have Paramount +. I'm like, oh, okay. Well,
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 1: that's easy enough. And then I'm like, so wait a minute.
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 1: Hold on. So you tell me I just get everyone
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 1: for free now? I just don't have to order pay-per-views anymore?
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 1: And there's just something about that. Now, I'm not saying
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 1: whether this is Paramount's mistake or the UFC's mistake or whatever,
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 1: but just like the basics of business to me go-
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 1: So you just had a loyal customer who's very happy
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 1: to pay for every pay-per-view. And I'm just not now. Now,
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 1: I understand it's because Paramount gave them a whole bunch
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 1: of money. But on some level, I go, number one,
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 1: I go, but how is this good for business if
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 1: the customer no longer has to pay for a thing
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 1: that I was happily paying for?
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 2: Let me correct you.
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, sure. First of all, Paramount.
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 3: The idea of doing this and investing $ 7 billion into
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 3: the UFC over the next few years, the positive that
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 3: they're gonna get from that with loyal new customers is massive.
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 1: So if you're- So it's introducing it to a whole
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 1: new audience.
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 3: If you're a loyal pay-per-view buyer, if you spend, what
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 3: is it, 70 bucks for a pay-per-view?
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 1: I think something like that.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 3: So 70 bucks for this big time pay-per-view card. Now
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 3: you get it for free because you just have to
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 3: pay for Paramount Plus every month for the year, you're
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 3: saving so much money. So the amount of new people
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 3: that are gonna go, oh this is awesome, I don't
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 3: have to pay for Pay Per View anymore, I pay
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 3: for Paramount Plus and I get all these awesome shows too,
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 3: Because Paramount Plus has a ton.
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 1: Of great fucking shows. No question, it's a great deal
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 1: for the consumer.
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 2: So you get roped in through that, and then you
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 2: go looking around on Paramount.
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 3: Plus, and you stay a loyal subscriber. They have all
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 3: these years with this new influx of viewers from the
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 3: UFC deal to build up more of a library, more shows.
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 1: It's huge for business. Okay, fair enough. They can take
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 1: their app.
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 2: From where it is now and take their streaming model
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 2: from where it is now and quadruple it over the
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 2: next X amount of years.
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 1: So for them, they're bringing in the whole UFC audience.
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 3: And how many people would look at a pay-per-view card
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 3: and look, I would buy every one of them. Even
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 3: when I was working for the UFC, I would go
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 3: on ESPN Plus and I would buy them, even though
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 3: I was there.
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, I want to be able to watch
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 1: it in the gym when I get home. I'm going
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 1: to buy it.
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 2: And so you've got all these people that were looking
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 2: at those cards that were like, this one, I don't know.
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's worth $ 70. If you're on
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 3: a budget and you're looking at this one, you're like,
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 3: who's fighting? Nah, I'm going to pass on this one.
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 3: I'll watch it a couple weeks on ESPN +. Because
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 3: you could just wait a few weeks. I don't know
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 3: how long the time frame is. But you could wait
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 3: a few weeks and you could watch it. You don't
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 3: have to do that anymore. It's $ 10 a month. What
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 3: is Paramount Plus a month?
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 1: How much does it cost?
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 5: I think they upped it to maybe $ 12 or $ 13.
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 1: Let's find out so we're accurate. But you're saving so
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 1: much money. But also on ESPN, they charge you something
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 1: like that too. Like you had to pay an ESPN
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 1: fee and then you had to pay for each individual pay-per-view.
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 1: So no, listen, I'm saving.
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 2: A lot of money on this. Okay, $ 13.
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 3: 99 a month or $ 139 a year for the ad-free
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 3: premium plan, which includes Showtime. New and former subscribers can
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 3: currently get any monthly plan for $ 2. 99 a month for the.
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 1: First two months. It's not bad.
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 3: So for a new subscriber, you could try it out
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 3: for two months. for $ 2. 99 a month and watch every
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 3: UFC for $ 2. 99 a month for two months. It's fucking
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 3: worth it.
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 2: And then you're going to get this huge influx of
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 2: people that, you know, if you're on a budget, you're
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 2: not going to subscribe to Paramount +.
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 1: You already got Netflix. Netflix costs X amount of money.
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 2: Maybe you got HBO Max. That's X amount of money.
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 2: I can't afford Paramount, too.
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 1: I don't want to pay another $ 10 a month or
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 1: $ 14 a month. Now, it's easy. No pay-per-views. Yeah, they
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 1: made a lot of wives of hardcore fans happy. I'm
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 1: sure for that. You're like, I don't have to buy
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 1: these pay-per-views anymore.
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 2: Paramount shows.
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they get the Paramount shows and they don't have
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 1: to do that. All right, fair enough. I guess it's
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 1: just in some ways, I guess, and I don't really
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 1: have much of a mind for business, but in some
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 1: ways there's just a thing where it's like we've always
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 1: done it this way. Now we're doing it a whole
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 1: new way.
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's been on streaming for the last few years.
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 3: So it's always been on an app anyway. And then Paramount,
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 3: you could get it on Apple TV. You can get
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 3: it on Android TV. You can get it on all
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 3: these different things. It's like there's no reason to not
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 3: have it.
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 1: It's easy.
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 2: It's just great for as a business move for Paramount.
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 2: It was a smart fucking move. because you get this
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 2: built-in hardcore fan base. Now, have some of the cards
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 2: been lackluster?
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, but guess what? That has always been the case.
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 1: Go back and.
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 3: Watch Rose Namajunas versus Carla Esparza. There's been some fights
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 3: back in the day that just weren't great. And there's
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 3: been cards that, even though they look good on paper,
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 3: In reality, they weren't so fun.
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I also– I'm with you because I remember
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 1: you used to say this back in the day all
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 1: the time. But I am like a purist fan in
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 1: MMA in the sense that like all of that is
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 1: like I don't care. Like you feel like, oh, it's boring.
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 1: You're like it's the most exciting sport in the world
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 1: on its worst day. Even in a fight that's a
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 1: bad fight because if you remember the Frank Mir Crow Cop.
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 1: There's a good example of this where it was just
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 1: a boring fight the entire fight. And then there's a
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 1: spectacular knockout at the end of it. And even if
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 1: that doesn't end up happening, you're always watching like that
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 1: could happen at any moment. It always can happen. I
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 1: also am with you. I believe in like– I don't
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 1: believe in stand-ups. I don't think anyone should ever be
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 1: stood up. I don't think you should be separated for
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 1: stalemate or whatever. It's like if someone puts you in
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 1: that position, then.
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 3: You've got to figure out how to get up. If
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 3: they're not doing enough on the top, that's silly. Sean
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 3: O'Malley explains why piracy led to the UFC's massive Paramount deal.
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, interesting.
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of people that will pay for it
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 5: every week, but there's a lot of people that won't.
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 2: They're streaming it illegally.
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 3: I knew there was a lot of that because there
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 3: were sites that you could go to and people would
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 3: openly talk about it.
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 2: You can go to it and just watch the pay-per-view.
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 3: It's a good move, dude. It's a good move for
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 3: the business. It's just like they just need a few
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 3: banger cards to make people forget about the stale ones.
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 1: That will happen. It's inevitable.
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 3: You're going to have stale cards. I'm concerned about the
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 3: White House fight. I'm concerned about it not just from
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 3: a security standpoint. I'm concerned about it because it's outside.
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 3: It's June, and it's in Washington, D.C. If it's hot out,
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 3: and it could very well be, like what's the average temperature?
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 5: I looked this up the other day. Average 67% humidity
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 5: in last year, or 2024 is 100 degrees.
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 1: On June 14th. Okay. That's tough. Okay.
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 4: And I think it's supposed to be at noon also.
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an issue. Okay, okay, okay. That's a fucking
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 1: big problem, dude. That's a big problem.
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 3: You are going to radically affect their performance if you
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 3: make people fight in 100-degree temperature. with 67% humidity outside.
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 3: You're also gonna radically affect my ability to do commentary.
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 1: My fucking head doesn't have any hair. The top of
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 1: my head is gonna be beet red. I'm gonna have
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 1: to put some toxic sunscreen on it.
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 3: You're gonna see me with that white zinc powder that
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 3: the surfers use on their nose.
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 2: I'll make like fake hair.
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 1: With like white zinc. My head's gonna get cooked. That
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 1: is an issue.
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 4: 80% chance of thunderstorms with highs in the mid-80s.
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 3: Are they building a tent? Is this outside outside? Or
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 3: is it outside in a tent? Are they gonna have
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 3: like fans blowing cold air on us? You know how
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 3: much DC's gonna complain?
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 1: That fucking dude. He's gonna be right next to me.
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 1: His shirt's gonna be soaked. Yeah, that's a bit of
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 1: an issue. You won't be able to tell with mine
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 1: because I always wear black anyway.
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 3: But everybody with a white shirt or a blue shirt,
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 3: if Anik has a light blue shirt on, his pits
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 3: are gonna be fucking filled up with sweat.
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be ridiculous. That also, like, really legitimately changes
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 1: the actual fight itself. Oh, 100%.
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 3: Isn't that, like, the rendering of it, I think? Okay,
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 3: so I don't see any AC there, bro. How are
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 3: you gonna get AC on those people? What is that
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 3: gonna be like? That sounds fucking insane. To do that
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 3: in June just because that's a fun time to do it.
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, if I was Justin Gaethje or I was
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 3: Ilya Toporia, if I was Justin Gaethje, I mean, first
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 3: of all, he has to take the fight.
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 2: It's a historic fight. It's at the White House. He's
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 2: a true red-blooded American. He wants to win the title
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 2: at the White House.
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 1: Come on.
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 3: You have to do it. But he's 37 years old.
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 3: He's had a long career, and he's fighting– maybe the
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 3: most lethal.
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 1: Guy he's ever faced.
• 2:38:20
  Speaker 2: The one guy out of all the guys he faced
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 2: that can shut the fucking lights out with one shot
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 2: every time. His last three fights is the craziest resume
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 2: in the history of the sport. Knocks out Alexander Volkanovsky,
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 2: knocks out Max Holloway, knocks out Charles Oliveira.
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 1: Two at featherweight, one at lightweight. All of them level.
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't even say... Well, I guess it's debatable, but
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 1: certainly you could make an argument the two best featherweights
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 1: of all time. Yes. And one of the greatest lightweights
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 1: of all time. And by the way, I know MMA
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 1: math is never perfect, but you look at what Oliveira
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 1: just did to Max Holloway, who I love, one of
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 1: my favorite fighters of all time. Love Max. You look
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 1: at what Charles Oliveira just did to Max Holloway, and
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 1: then you think about the way Ilya Toporia handled him.
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 1: I mean... Flatlined him in the first round.
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 2: And not.
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 1: What was, to me, almost as impressive as the knockout
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 1: was handling him on the ground.
• 2:39:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:39:19
  Speaker 1: Passed his guard. He tried to take him down. Think
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 1: about the way... He got one of those body locks
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 1: and tried to take him down. Think about how helpless
• 2:39:26
  Speaker 1: Max Holloway was for that. How helpless a whole bunch
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 1: of guys we've seen are when he gets his hands
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 1: around you. And Ilya Teporia, he tried to do that.
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 1: He ends up on top and passes his guard right away. Also,
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 1: he ate a really clean elbow. early in that fight
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 1: and just was like, nothing. Like, I mean, just.
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 3: Shook it off like it was nothing. He's a special talent. So,
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 3: but then again, when you are dealing with special talents
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 3: and great, great fighters like Justin, who this is probably
• 2:39:53
  Speaker 3: his last opportunity to fight for the title, I want
• 2:39:56
  Speaker 3: that under the perfect conditions. I want that to be
• 2:39:58
  Speaker 3: in an arena where it's 72 degrees and air-conditioned. I
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 3: don't want it to be outside. I don't want there
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 3: to be any additional stress or distractions there. Because you're
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 3: warming up at the White House. Like, what do you have,
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 3: tents with.
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 1: Mats on them?
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 2: And these guys are going to be slipping around in
• 2:40:13
  Speaker 2: puddles of sweat.
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 1: Shadowboxing in the Situation Room before you come out.
• 2:40:16
  Speaker 3: Who's going to slip on sweat and blow their ACL out?
• 2:40:20
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 2:40:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, have you ever done striking on mats when
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 3: a bunch of dudes have been training, like, in a class?
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 3: It's so fucking slippery, man. If it's that hot, it's
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 3: going to— unless they have these mats where they're getting set
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 3: up in air-conditioned buildings somewhere.
• 2:40:36
  Speaker 1: Unless they have a facility. Yeah, maybe they can do that.
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 1: I hope they think that through. I hope they think
• 2:40:41
  Speaker 1: that through. I hope they prepare it.
• 2:40:43
  Speaker 2: It's just, I don't like, I like the idea that
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 2: it's like this big celebration of the UFC, that the
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 2: president loves the UFC so much, wants to do it
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 2: at the White House.
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 3: But in practice, I don't like it at all because
• 2:40:56
  Speaker 3: you've got two world titles. You've got the interim heavyweight
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 3: world title, and then you've got this world title with
• 2:41:04
  Speaker 3: Justin and Ilya at 55. I don't like it. I
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 3: want those to be at the T-Mobile. I want those
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 3: to be at the Madison Square Garden Arena. I want
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 3: those to be somewhere dope. The TD Garden in Boston.
• 2:41:17
  Speaker 3: Put it in a fucking real arena where it's air-conditioned,
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 3: damn it. These are amazing fights. I don't want anybody
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 3: fighting when it's 100 degrees outside.
• 2:41:26
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but also
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 1: I would think it's you're going to get sweaty so
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 1: quick in weather like that. And that is a big
• 2:41:34
  Speaker 1: deal for like grappling and stuff like that. I mean,
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 1: that's a huge advantage if you're trying to not get
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 1: grappled by someone.
• 2:41:40
  Speaker 2: Here's another factor.
• 2:41:42
  Speaker 3: These are people that just were radically dehydrated 24 hours ago.
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 3: And then you're asking them to compete in a sauna.
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 3: You're basically asking them to fight in a sauna.
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 1: That is still so crazy to me that there's not
• 2:41:56
  Speaker 1: a way that we can just get two guys who
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 1: weigh 180 pounds to fight at 180 pounds. And instead,
• 2:42:04
  Speaker 1: we have to have two guys who weigh 180 pounds
• 2:42:07
  Speaker 1: cut down to 150 pounds and then rehydrate up to
• 2:42:10
  Speaker 1: 180 pounds to fight at 180 pounds.
• 2:42:13
  Speaker 2: And weaken themselves, like radically weaken themselves. I see those guys,
• 2:42:17
  Speaker 2: the day they weigh in, the worst ever that I
• 2:42:20
  Speaker 2: ever saw was Travis Luter.
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 1: So Travis Luter.
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 2: He missed weight. But I was backstage for all of it, right?
• 2:42:28
  Speaker 2: So this was back when the weigh-ins were the time
• 2:42:30
  Speaker 2: of the actual weigh-ins. It wasn't the ceremonial weigh-in. Like
• 2:42:33
  Speaker 2: now they give them more time. You can weigh in
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 2: in the morning.
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  Speaker 3: And then by the ceremonial weigh-in, which is usually 5 p.m.,
• 2:42:38
  Speaker 3: usually these guys have significantly rehydrated. They do it slowly,
• 2:42:42
  Speaker 3: but they have a process to it. But Travis missed weight.
• 2:42:46
  Speaker 3: And so I was backstage while they gave him X
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 3: amount of time to make the weight. And, dude, he
• 2:42:51
  Speaker 3: couldn't walk. He was shuffling, shuffling, shuffling. Like, he couldn't
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 3: pick his legs up. His lips were cracked. His face
• 2:42:58
  Speaker 3: was dry. He looked like he was going to die.
• 2:43:00
  Speaker 2: He looked like a guy who had been shipwrecked, you know, and, like,
• 2:43:04
  Speaker 2: lost at sea and just drinking his own piss for
• 2:43:07
  Speaker 2: a week. And they finally rescued him. That's what it
• 2:43:09
  Speaker 2: looked like.
• 2:43:10
  Speaker 1: Right. He was dying, I guess, right? I mean, that
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 1: is what you're looking at.
• 2:43:13
  Speaker 3: And then 24 hours later, he has to fight the
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 3: greatest middleweight of all time. He has to fight Anderson
• 2:43:18
  Speaker 3: motherfucking Silva in his prime.
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 1: And– but I did– for that being the story, did
• 2:43:24
  Speaker 1: remarkably well. He got viciously elbowed in the triangle.
• 2:43:30
  Speaker 2: That would not have happened if Travis wasn't compromised. Travis
• 2:43:33
  Speaker 2: was a real problem back then. He was one of
• 2:43:35
  Speaker 2: the best jiu-jitsu guys to ever compete in MMA.
• 2:43:38
  Speaker 1: And he was stylistically kind of like the best shot
• 2:43:41
  Speaker 1: against Anderson Silva at that time. Because Anderson Silva just
• 2:43:44
  Speaker 1: looked untouchable. And he got him down and got him
• 2:43:46
  Speaker 1: into good positions a few times.
• 2:43:48
  Speaker 3: Even though he was fucked from the weight cut. But
• 2:43:50
  Speaker 3: the thing was, He never made the weight. So even
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 3: if he beat him, he wouldn't have got the title.
• 2:43:55
  Speaker 2: The whole thing was fucked. Yeah.
• 2:43:56
  Speaker 3: But it's like I've advocated for there's a solution. One
• 2:44:00
  Speaker 3: of them is multiple weight classes that are additional to
• 2:44:03
  Speaker 3: what we have. Have one at least every 10 pounds
• 2:44:06
  Speaker 3: and it probably should be more.
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 1: And a lot of people push back against that. But listen.
• 2:44:09
  Speaker 3: 10 pounds for an elite athlete is a big fucking deal.
• 2:44:14
  Speaker 1: 20 pounds is crazy.
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 2: So when you go like 85 to 205, that's crazy.
• 2:44:19
  Speaker 1: That's too much weight. It's too much of a gap.
• 2:44:22
  Speaker 3: You could have multiple champions in between those weight classes
• 2:44:25
  Speaker 3: and it's just better for the sport overall. You've got
• 2:44:28
  Speaker 3: more champions, you've got more champion versus champion matchups you
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 3: can make.
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 1: Well, there's it also, first of all, it's very unhealthy
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 1: and dangerous and that's the biggest issue. But then it
• 2:44:37
  Speaker 1: also makes it a thing where it's like, Now there's
• 2:44:41
  Speaker 1: two factors. It's not just who's the best fighter, it's
• 2:44:44
  Speaker 1: also who's the best at dehydrating themselves, losing a ton
• 2:44:48
  Speaker 1: of weight, and rehydrating themselves. And also, I think, like,
• 2:44:51
  Speaker 1: I've heard GSP say before that, like, some people are
• 2:44:55
  Speaker 1: just naturally better at that. Some people just fluctuate in
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 1: weight more. Some people can lose a lot of weight
• 2:44:59
  Speaker 1: and then gain it all back the other day. And
• 2:45:01
  Speaker 1: he used to always say, I just can't do that. Like,
• 2:45:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not a guy who can do that. But I
• 2:45:05
  Speaker 1: think all of us, we just want to see who
• 2:45:06
  Speaker 1: the best fighter is. Exactly. We don't care about who's
• 2:45:08
  Speaker 1: the best at dehydrating.
• 2:45:09
  Speaker 3: Anything that hampers your ability. should be removed from the equation,
• 2:45:14
  Speaker 3: especially if it's something like this. But there's a solution.
• 2:45:16
  Speaker 3: First of all, there's a real silliness to the MMA
• 2:45:19
  Speaker 3: weight classes. And when I say silliness, our names that
• 2:45:23
  Speaker 3: we use have been owned by boxing for more than
• 2:45:27
  Speaker 3: 100 years, and the names that we use are for
• 2:45:30
  Speaker 3: different weight classes than boxing uses. That's dumb. That is
• 2:45:34
  Speaker 3: dumb as shit. If you want to have a 170-pound champion, fantastic,
• 2:45:39
  Speaker 3: but don't call it a welterweight because welterweight is 147.
• 2:45:44
  Speaker 3: It's been 147 for over 100 fucking years. The fact
• 2:45:47
  Speaker 3: that you have a 147 champion or 145 champion, you
• 2:45:49
  Speaker 3: call that a featherweight, Featherweight is 126.
• 2:45:54
  Speaker 1: That's what it's been in boxing. Forever. Lightweight has always
• 2:45:58
  Speaker 1: been 135.
• 2:45:59
  Speaker 2: That's what Julio Cesar Chavez was the champ of.
• 2:46:03
  Speaker 1: 135. Lightweight is 155 in the UFC? Come up with
• 2:46:08
  Speaker 1: your own names. Why do we still have these stupid names?
• 2:46:11
  Speaker 1: I never thought about that. It's a good point.
• 2:46:12
  Speaker 3: They attached these names to it when they first started
• 2:46:15
  Speaker 3: developing weight classes. Because it used to just be one
• 2:46:17
  Speaker 3: weight class.
• 2:46:18
  Speaker 1: Another one on this. Why? And I think you've mentioned
• 2:46:20
  Speaker 1: this before. Why am I not getting the leg reach?
• 2:46:24
  Speaker 1: They do that sometimes. Do they? Yeah, they do that.
• 2:46:25
  Speaker 1: Because I've seen, like, but on the regular tail of
• 2:46:28
  Speaker 1: the tape, it'll still just be reach. Yeah. But in this,
• 2:46:32
  Speaker 1: because that actually, for MMA, that's such a huge deal.
• 2:46:36
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 2:46:36
  Speaker 1: Like, it's such a huge, because, oh, like. Because you're kicking. Yeah,
• 2:46:39
  Speaker 1: if you're in kicking range of me, but you know
• 2:46:41
  Speaker 1: what I mean? But you can't touch me. Your jab
• 2:46:43
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter as much as in boxing, you know?
• 2:46:45
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 2:46:46
  Speaker 3: And some guys, they have really long legs for their torso.
• 2:46:50
  Speaker 3: My friend Larry, my friend Larry Jones from my Taekwondo days,
• 2:46:53
  Speaker 3: he had this short torso.
• 2:46:56
  Speaker 1: What is this?
• 2:46:56
  Speaker 4: Aldo's leg reaches longer than Stipe's.
• 2:46:59
  Speaker 1: Whoa, that's crazy. Is that right? That's crazy.
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 2: Stipe just has a way longer torso?
• 2:47:03
  Speaker 1: That's nuts.
• 2:47:05
  Speaker 4: They're the same size.
• 2:47:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. That's crazy. Well, Aldo was such a good kicker.
• 2:47:10
  Speaker 1: It's probably part of the reason why.
• 2:47:12
  Speaker 2: My friend Larry had this short torso, like really short,
• 2:47:15
  Speaker 2: but he was like 6'3, and he was all legs,
• 2:47:18
  Speaker 2: and he was this insane kicker.
• 2:47:19
  Speaker 1: He was like a freak, like he was made in
• 2:47:21
  Speaker 1: a lab.
• 2:47:21
  Speaker 2: And when guys would fight him, like you'd see guys
• 2:47:23
  Speaker 2: in tournaments fight him, they'd be like, what the fuck
• 2:47:25
  Speaker 2: am I gonna do with this?
• 2:47:26
  Speaker 1: Because his reach was so.
• 2:47:28
  Speaker 2: Nuts, and he was so fast with his kicks, and
• 2:47:31
  Speaker 2: you couldn't get anywhere close to him.
• 2:47:33
  Speaker 1: If you were in his weight class.
• 2:47:34
  Speaker 2: And you were normally built, his torso was shorter than mine,
• 2:47:38
  Speaker 2: but his crazy long legs.
• 2:47:40
  Speaker 1: And long arms. Some people are just built certain ways,
• 2:47:43
  Speaker 1: and for striking, it's a giant problem.
• 2:47:46
  Speaker 3: There's another thing that makes Ilya Teporya so fucking unbelievably impressive.
• 2:47:50
  Speaker 1: He's not tall at all.
• 2:47:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:47:53
  Speaker 2: And he's just flatlining people.
• 2:47:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, Charles Oliveira looked so much bigger than
• 2:47:58
  Speaker 1: him in that fight. And so much bigger than Max, too.
• 2:48:01
  Speaker 1: Oliveira's big. It's like, look, the sport's fine.
• 2:48:05
  Speaker 2: It's not in trouble. The sport's not in trouble. The
• 2:48:08
  Speaker 2: heavyweight division's in trouble. The heavyweight division's kind of fucked.
• 2:48:11
  Speaker 2: It's in a weird situation.
• 2:48:12
  Speaker 3: The Alex Pereira thing is very interesting. Alex Pereira versus
• 2:48:16
  Speaker 3: Cyril Ghosn.
• 2:48:17
  Speaker 2: Is very, very, very interesting because Cyril Ghosn is a problem.
• 2:48:21
  Speaker 1: That guy's a problem. He's super athletic. He's really fast.
• 2:48:25
  Speaker 2: He's super skillful with his striking. His Muay Thai is
• 2:48:28
  Speaker 2: absolutely elite.
• 2:48:30
  Speaker 1: And he does a.
• 2:48:30
  Speaker 2: Lot of things different than what a lot of people do.
• 2:48:33
  Speaker 1: And has anyone, because even Francis, like I was saying before,
• 2:48:36
  Speaker 1: grappled with him a lot in that fight. Obviously, Jon
• 2:48:39
  Speaker 1: Jones took him down and choked him. But has anyone
• 2:48:42
  Speaker 1: really stood toe to toe and beat him up?
• 2:48:44
  Speaker 5: No.
• 2:48:45
  Speaker 2: No, no one's beat him up toe-to-toe.
• 2:48:46
  Speaker 3: Taito Iwasa went toe-to-toe with him and tried to, but
• 2:48:50
  Speaker 3: he got lit up.
• 2:48:51
  Speaker 1: Dude, Cyril Ghosn is a problem. And even in the
• 2:48:54
  Speaker 1: little bit with Tom Aspinall, it looked like he's tough.
• 2:48:57
  Speaker 1: He's tough to fight like that, man. Not just tough.
• 2:49:00
  Speaker 3: He was getting off on Aspinall, and it didn't look
• 2:49:03
  Speaker 3: good for Aspinall. I mean, it's very unfortunate that he
• 2:49:05
  Speaker 3: got his eyes poked. I mean, that we really never
• 2:49:08
  Speaker 3: got to see what happens if you drag Cyril deep water.
• 2:49:12
  Speaker 3: The way Tom would adjust it for the second round
• 2:49:13
  Speaker 3: or third round. Which we've never really seen out of
• 2:49:15
  Speaker 3: Tom either. It was very interesting that we got robbed
• 2:49:18
  Speaker 3: of that.
• 2:49:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we got robbed of that.
• 2:49:19
  Speaker 3: And poor Tom, he's had two fucking eye surgeries. And
• 2:49:22
  Speaker 3: then he felt like the UFC disrespected him.
• 2:49:24
  Speaker 2: The whole thing's a mess.
• 2:49:25
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know about the UFC, but a lot
• 2:49:27
  Speaker 1: of fans did disrespect him. I saw that. Which is crazy.
• 2:49:30
  Speaker 1: This is really stupid.
• 2:49:31
  Speaker 3: We talked about this last night. It should be one point, period,
• 2:49:34
  Speaker 3: if you poke someone in the eyes. If you poke
• 2:49:36
  Speaker 3: someone in the eyes, one point. Well, especially if the
• 2:49:38
  Speaker 3: fingers go in the eyes. If it's like a glancing
• 2:49:41
  Speaker 3: thing like that, maybe get a warning. But in a
• 2:49:44
  Speaker 3: nut shot, straight nut shot, one point.
• 2:49:47
  Speaker 2: The glancing thing, maybe a warning.
• 2:49:50
  Speaker 1: I think that could be up to the judge's discretion
• 2:49:52
  Speaker 1: upon view of the replay. Yeah, well, the thing is that,
• 2:49:56
  Speaker 1: and we were talking about this last night, if you
• 2:49:58
  Speaker 1: land a nut shot And it's accidental, as it almost
• 2:50:04
  Speaker 1: always is. You know what I mean? You're trying to
• 2:50:05
  Speaker 1: throw an inside leg kick. Unless you're Derek Lewis. Well, okay.
• 2:50:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe not. I said almost. Almost always. But so I
• 2:50:12
  Speaker 1: just see this all the time in MMA. It's the
• 2:50:14
  Speaker 1: first one. It was an accident. This guy gets kicked
• 2:50:17
  Speaker 1: in the nuts. He needs a few minutes. Usually they
• 2:50:19
  Speaker 1: don't take the full five or whatever they're offered. And
• 2:50:22
  Speaker 1: then you just go back. It's like, look, even if
• 2:50:25
  Speaker 1: it was an accident, that's such an advantage to the
• 2:50:28
  Speaker 1: guy who's who kicked him in the groin. Yeah, you
• 2:50:31
  Speaker 1: hurt him. You hurt this guy and now he's got
• 2:50:33
  Speaker 1: to get back to it and there's no, so like
• 2:50:35
  Speaker 1: it does seem like there almost has to be some
• 2:50:38
  Speaker 1: accounting for that and there's, I think there's still, it's
• 2:50:41
  Speaker 1: still a very young sport. I think there is still
• 2:50:43
  Speaker 1: too much referee discretion.
• 2:50:45
  Speaker 2: I think you're right.
• 2:50:46
  Speaker 1: There should be like an official rule for what we
• 2:50:48
  Speaker 1: do in this situation.
• 2:50:49
  Speaker 2: Especially those kind of fouls. It's like doesn't exist in basketball, right?
• 2:50:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:50:53
  Speaker 3: If somebody fouls somebody in basketball and everybody sees it,
• 2:50:56
  Speaker 3: that's a foul.
• 2:50:57
  Speaker 1: Yes. Right? And the crowd will go nuts. Usually. Usually.
• 2:51:01
  Speaker 2: But it'd be like a real one, like throwing someone
• 2:51:03
  Speaker 2: to the ground.
• 2:51:04
  Speaker 5: I could show you examples. There are some fucking wild
• 2:51:06
  Speaker 5: things that don't get called for whatever reason.
• 2:51:08
  Speaker 2: Don't you think that's a little bit of the corrupt referees?
• 2:51:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying all of them, but that is one
• 2:51:13
  Speaker 2: thing that's been 100% proven. is that referees do get
• 2:51:17
  Speaker 2: paid off in order to influence gambling lines.
• 2:51:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was that one referee who confirmed that it
• 2:51:23
  Speaker 1: was the Sacramento Kings versus the Lakers, which was like
• 2:51:29
  Speaker 1: a series that was like, Notoriously. Everyone was like, yo,
• 2:51:33
  Speaker 1: it was crazy. They didn't call any of these fouls
• 2:51:35
  Speaker 1: on the Lakers. And they called all these fouls. And
• 2:51:38
  Speaker 1: then a ref came out and was like, oh, yeah,
• 2:51:39
  Speaker 1: that's weird. And it does kind of make sense. Because
• 2:51:42
  Speaker 1: it was the Shaq and Kobe Lakers. You got to
• 2:51:45
  Speaker 1: get them in the finals, dude. It was big money. God,
• 2:51:47
  Speaker 1: it was so gross.
• 2:51:48
  Speaker 4: His defense, weirdly, was like, no one told us what
• 2:51:51
  Speaker 4: to do. But you kind of know what they want.
• 2:51:53
  Speaker 4: So you sort of do it.
• 2:51:54
  Speaker 5: And then you put on good games and you keep
• 2:51:57
  Speaker 5: getting the good stuff.
• 2:51:58
  Speaker 1: Hang them.
• 2:52:00
  Speaker 2: Public hanging.
• 2:52:01
  Speaker 1: Fuck you. We can deal with Congress's insider trading, but
• 2:52:04
  Speaker 1: basketball must be a fair- Bad judges hanging.
• 2:52:07
  Speaker 2: Hang them.
• 2:52:09
  Speaker 1: Hang them all in front of the kingdom. All right, dude.
• 2:52:13
  Speaker 1: Anything else before we wrap this up? No, thank you
• 2:52:15
  Speaker 1: for letting a non-expert talk MMA with you so much.
• 2:52:18
  Speaker 1: I love talking to non-experts. Dude, thank you so much
• 2:52:22
  Speaker 1: for everything, as always, dude. My pleasure, brother. Thank you.
• 2:52:24
  Speaker 1: You're the fucking man. I love you, dude. You're the
• 2:52:25
  Speaker 1: fucking man, too. I love you, too.
• 2:52:27
  Speaker 2: We'll have fun tonight, all right?
• 2:52:28
  Speaker 1: Are you coming? Are you leaving? You got to go? Damn,
• 2:52:31
  Speaker 1: last night was fun. That was a lot of fun.
• 2:52:33
  Speaker 1: All right. Bye, everybody.