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Football at Four: A Discussion on the NFL Salary Cap and the Eagles · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Josh Heading filling for Mike Keil here in a Monday
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Mosher joined us right.
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  Speaker 1: Now on the sports Bash Josh Heading again filling it
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  Speaker 1: for Mike Hill. All nice seven three ESPN. Jeff, wel
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  Speaker 1: come in. How are you doing on this Monday?
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  Speaker 3: Good Josh, It's good to be here.
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  Speaker 4: You and I are not in Egypt, so that there's
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  Speaker 4: something about that.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, there is something about that.
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  Speaker 1: Although I think a whole other conversation can be had
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  Speaker 1: about Mike Gill and his traveling, but that's nothing.
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  Speaker 2: That's why over a podcast honestly.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I would think.
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  Speaker 1: But let's get into what's going with the NFL, because
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  Speaker 1: I thought a very interesting news item dropped today which
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  Speaker 1: kind of changed my mentality coming into this conversation, which was,
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  Speaker 1: for those who didn't see the news came down, the
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  Speaker 1: Dolphins are basically clearing house, Jeff. They are announced they
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  Speaker 1: are going to be getting rid of Tyreek Hill, They're
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  Speaker 1: gonna get rid of Bradley Shaw at a later date,
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  Speaker 1: a couple other guys. How does a team like the
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  Speaker 1: Dolphins starting to unload guys maybe start changing the the
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  Speaker 1: trajectory of the NFL offseason now that we're loading more
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  Speaker 1: names into the market.
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  Speaker 3: Jeff, Yeah, Josh, and.
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  Speaker 4: I think you're gonna see quite a bit of this
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  Speaker 4: throughout the off season. I think the trade market this
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  Speaker 4: all season in particular will be hotter than ever. I
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  Speaker 4: think the they're not cap casualties.
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  Speaker 3: They're we're moving. You know, it's not that because you
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  Speaker 3: can pay anybody you want.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you clearly, sometimes you become a casualty of scheme,
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  Speaker 4: sometimes become a casualty of just an overhaul, like what's
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  Speaker 4: going on in Miami. But I think with what was
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  Speaker 4: there ten ten new head coaches in the league. That's
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  Speaker 4: basically a third league. Sixty percent of the offensive coordinators
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  Speaker 4: in the league where were replaced, a ton of new
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  Speaker 4: defensive coordinators. So you're talking about an entire change over
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  Speaker 4: over one third of the league, if not more. And
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  Speaker 4: guys want their players, they want their schemes, they don't
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  Speaker 4: want holdovers from unless these guys, unless it's someone who's
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  Speaker 4: just elite or fits. So I think this is just
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  Speaker 4: the start of what's going to be a very very
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  Speaker 4: active offseason for the entire league.
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  Speaker 1: And I know it's that a direct line, but it
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  Speaker 1: kind of made me think of it a little bit
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  Speaker 1: because you guys have the latest inside the data with
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  Speaker 1: Sam finking about the fact that the rising salary cap,
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  Speaker 1: and they just see a team like the Dolphins being like,
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  Speaker 1: we don't care, We're just going to get rid of
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  Speaker 1: these guys, Like the Dolphins didn't have to.
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  Speaker 2: Get rid of them, but they just chose to.
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  Speaker 1: And it just goes to show you that when you
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  Speaker 1: get a new coach, when you do you get a
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  Speaker 1: new GM, how that impacts a team.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Jeff Hafley has basically been I believe
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  Speaker 4: a four to three guy in Green Bay if I'm
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  Speaker 4: not mistaken, And you know, the Dolphins have runner a
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  Speaker 4: lot of three four so naturally, even a good player
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  Speaker 4: like Bradley Chubb, I think I have eight and a
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  Speaker 4: half sacks last year.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they they don't feel like he fits what
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  Speaker 3: they're going to do.
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  Speaker 4: And again, I think trading guys is going to be
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  Speaker 4: at certain positions because of the availability.
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  Speaker 3: That there's going to be this year. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: how easy that's going to be.
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  Speaker 4: And plus, like you said, there's a rise in the cap,
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  Speaker 4: so taking a dead hit in twenty twenty six, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you can probably take a bigger dead cap hit.
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  Speaker 3: Than maybe ordinarily want to because of how much the
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  Speaker 3: cap just.
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  Speaker 2: Jumped, Jeff.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why I'm glad that we're talking about this
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  Speaker 1: because with the Eagles, you know, the rise of the
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  Speaker 1: salary cap gives Howie Rose has been a lot more
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  Speaker 1: options if folks can dig deeper into it with the
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  Speaker 1: late inside the data with you and Sam Finkel. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's one of those things where I think
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  Speaker 1: people don't realize that. You know, we always talk about
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  Speaker 1: how Howie Rose was so good at the salary cap, right,
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  Speaker 1: but now it's how he Roseman is being handed.
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  Speaker 2: Flexibility with that salary cap.
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  Speaker 1: That kind of makes the whole who they do or
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  Speaker 1: don't sign this off season a little more interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, one thing Sam's show inside.
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  Speaker 4: The Data on Inside the Birds really brought to light
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  Speaker 4: that was I think really interesting and why people should
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  Speaker 4: listen to it is that the increase in the cap,
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  Speaker 4: combined with the rollover that the Eagles have, is what
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  Speaker 4: gives them their flexibility. But they don't have the flexibility
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  Speaker 4: that they would typically have with contract restructuring. All right,
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  Speaker 4: and Sam explains why everybody Elver says, oh, well, because
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  Speaker 4: they're used to it now, and I understand, oh, well,
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  Speaker 4: these guys make a lot of money. Well, how we
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  Speaker 4: can just restructure the contract. No, that's not always the case,
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  Speaker 4: not when you're on Not when you've got three or
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  Speaker 4: four guys who've continuously been restructured throughout the course of
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  Speaker 4: their career. It makes it it makes it a little
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  Speaker 4: bit difficult to keep going to that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, really quick, explain that a little more,
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  Speaker 1: because I think that the average person listening to us,
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  Speaker 1: whether listening to a nice every three ESPN or catching
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  Speaker 1: the replay of Football at four powdered by the Inside
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  Speaker 1: of Birds podcast Jeff Mosher joining us here on a
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  Speaker 1: Mosher Monday. You know the restructure conversation that you said,
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  Speaker 1: people assume you can just do it again and again
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  Speaker 1: and again, but ultimately, you know, at some point, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it does come home the roost.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I mean you can do with younger players
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  Speaker 4: who are in like their second or third extension, but
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  Speaker 4: you know, the egos have a couple of guys like
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  Speaker 4: take Alane Johnson for example, who you can't because what
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  Speaker 4: it entails. And again, if you listen to the pot
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  Speaker 4: you get a better idea. But what it entails generally
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  Speaker 4: is taking base salary that is guaranteed most of and
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  Speaker 4: converting it into a bonus that you can spread it out.
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  Speaker 4: But if you spread that money out in future years,
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  Speaker 4: even dumbie years for players are already over thirty or
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  Speaker 4: thirty two or north of that, then they're like less
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  Speaker 4: likely to be on the roster, you know, two, three, four,
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  Speaker 4: five years down the road, and.
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  Speaker 3: Yet their cap hits would get bigger because you're.
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  Speaker 4: Spreading, you're pushing signing bonus money down the road. There
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  Speaker 4: it's easier to do it your one or a first
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  Speaker 4: or a second time contract, or even like three years
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  Speaker 4: into a first extension, because you still expect that player
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  Speaker 4: to be with you for at least X amount of years,
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  Speaker 4: so that even if you're kicking the cant way down
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  Speaker 4: the road, you're only maybe getting one or two or
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  Speaker 4: three dummy years where it felt the cap it'll be
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  Speaker 4: low as the cap goes up. But you can't do
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  Speaker 4: that on a guy who's like thirty five, give him
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  Speaker 4: seven years, you know, five dummy years, so that when
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  Speaker 4: he's forty two, he's still you know, counts against your cap.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And also you can't do in the NFL what they
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  Speaker 1: do like a Major League Baseball where like they they
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  Speaker 1: give out the Bobby Bania the Otani contracts, where it's like, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well we'll pay you when.
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  Speaker 2: You're like fifty. You know, you can't do that in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: No, not yet, and I'm to be honest with you,
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  Speaker 4: to be honest with you, it is probably gonna go
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  Speaker 4: the other You know, you've heard the owners talking about
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  Speaker 4: you know, they haven't exactly said how the Eagles do business,
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  Speaker 4: but they've talked about the integrity of contracts and salary
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  Speaker 4: cap and making sure that the integrity of the cap
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  Speaker 4: is being maintained.
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  Speaker 3: And you know that that means that they're going to.
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  Speaker 4: Start discussing at future meetings how the Eagle and the
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  Speaker 4: Eagles aren't the only one, but they're sort of the
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  Speaker 4: pie and now they're they're at the forefront of it.
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  Speaker 4: The Saints do it, Other teams do it, but not
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  Speaker 4: too many teams are willing to do it because it.
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  Speaker 3: Does involve your owner being.
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  Speaker 4: Embracing taking dead cap hits on players, you know, paying
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  Speaker 4: players on your cap who aren't on your team and
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  Speaker 4: maybe for a couple of years and.
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  Speaker 3: Kicking that can down the road.
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  Speaker 4: That's why Jeffrey Leuriy is a great owner, is because
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  Speaker 4: he's willing to put out more cash up front than
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  Speaker 4: most owners in order to have the cap situation the
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  Speaker 4: way it is.
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  Speaker 3: But it sounds like, if you're just reading the tea leaves,
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  Speaker 3: the owners.
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  Speaker 4: Are going to start, you know, talking about this and
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  Speaker 4: maybe changing how much you can do that in the future.
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  Speaker 1: And you mentioned Lane Johnson earlier, and obviously we don't
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  Speaker 1: know for a fact what he is isn't going to
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  Speaker 1: do next year, but there has been some conjecture Jeff
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  Speaker 1: by other people that for Lane to come back, the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles might need to pony up a little extra money
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  Speaker 1: as a hey Lane, we still love you money.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know about that.
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  Speaker 4: I think his I forget what his cash number is,
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  Speaker 4: you know, but he's one of the higher paid players
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  Speaker 4: on the team. Is I think his cap numbers around
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  Speaker 4: forty one million or that's his cash number.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's a pretty big number.
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  Speaker 4: So because of all the restructures by the way that
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  Speaker 4: they have done on his contract.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm not sure that Lane's going to get more
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  Speaker 3: money out of this.
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  Speaker 4: But I get well, we'll see I've been I've been
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  Speaker 4: fooled before.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm pulling up over the cap right now.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see here for twenty twenty six, he has a
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  Speaker 1: base salary of one point three a signing bonus coming
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  Speaker 1: in as long as on the roster of an extra
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  Speaker 1: nine point nine million. His total cap number is twenty
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  Speaker 1: point two. Although he has no guaranteed money for twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty six.
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  Speaker 3: Does he have an option? I haven't looked at Lane.
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  Speaker 2: He has a nine point one million option.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Well, we'll see what happens there.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm adding it all together, that's about
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  Speaker 1: almost twenty million, so you know, in terms of you know,
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  Speaker 1: actual money, not you know, shuffled money.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, if without having and over the Cap is the
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  Speaker 4: best website for the for especially for Eagles money, because
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  Speaker 4: the Eagles have somebody in their in their contract department
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  Speaker 4: who came from that website, I believe. But even there
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  Speaker 4: then they're not to the t.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well again, I'm just going off of what it says.
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  Speaker 1: If to me, if this says no guaranteed money but
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  Speaker 1: there's option money, then you know, maybe there is a
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  Speaker 1: scenario where the Eagles could you know, how he does
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  Speaker 1: his whole thing, but you know agains you mentioned Jeff the.
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  Speaker 4: When you're when you say no guaranteed money, you're talking
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  Speaker 4: about guaranteed based salary.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's, you know, because if there was.
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  Speaker 4: No guaranteed money at all, then they could just cut
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  Speaker 4: him and not not.
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  Speaker 3: Be on the hook for anything. But that's not the
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  Speaker 3: case with no. No, he's got correct.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you're you're, you're, you're you're reading of
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  Speaker 1: it is correct. I can pull up the screen if
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  Speaker 1: you want here and put.
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  Speaker 3: It on the no. No, it's all good, but good, Well.
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  Speaker 1: My My larger point was is that I think one
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  Speaker 1: of the reason why people are interested about the Lane
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  Speaker 1: Johnson not less much because whether he does is to
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  Speaker 1: come back, but because of the fact that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: people are looking at the cap going up and they're assuming, hey,
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  Speaker 1: Howie time right, how is going to do more things?
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  Speaker 1: But I think you and Sam have explained multiple not
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  Speaker 1: not just the latest episode of his other data, but
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  Speaker 1: multiple times that it's not as simple as hey, there's
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  Speaker 1: more money here that there there's a lot more nuance
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  Speaker 1: to this salary cap stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 4: They have to figure out extensions for their own. In
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  Speaker 4: house guys, they always consider that free agency. You know
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  Speaker 4: that you always hear how we.
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  Speaker 3: Say, you know, people think we're not active.
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  Speaker 4: In this giving and you're on free agency, but we
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  Speaker 4: think we are if we gave somebody an extension like
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  Speaker 4: to Jalen Carter or Jordan Davis, right, or if they
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  Speaker 4: bring back read blanket ship. Because if they don't do
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  Speaker 4: those extensions, those guys get closer to free agency and
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  Speaker 4: maybe can walk like Milton Williams. So they always consider
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  Speaker 4: that their version of free agency. In house free agency.
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  Speaker 2: See if I could do some magic here by myself
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  Speaker 2: here in the studio. There we go.
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  Speaker 1: So there is your your screen there. So it's guaranteed
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  Speaker 1: salary Jeff.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and obviously so you know those option bonuses are there,
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  Speaker 4: and you'd have to know when they kick in and
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  Speaker 4: when they don't. But you know there's a reason why,
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  Speaker 4: and you can see how it's been spread out through
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  Speaker 4: a couple of dummy years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, more than a couple.
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  Speaker 1: But like you said, though they're not going to be
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  Speaker 1: paying him at forty two, forty three years old, there
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  Speaker 1: is a reason why you know they're going to probably
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  Speaker 1: come back around and do something with it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you don't want to have him, you know,
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  Speaker 4: on the cap for like fifteen million dollars in when
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  Speaker 4: he's in twenty thirty, right in twenty and thirty one,
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  Speaker 4: when he's not gonna probably be playing.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So, and let's brings us to the other part of
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  Speaker 1: the conference, because you just mentioned Red Blankenship with the Eagles, Jeff.
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  Speaker 1: You know, for you of the guys who are the
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  Speaker 1: free agents, you know, the blank and Ships, the Kobe Deans,
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  Speaker 1: the Jillen Phillips. Is there a guy that youth Jeff
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  Speaker 1: Mosher think they need to prioritize of the defensive group
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  Speaker 1: to bring back.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean Jalen Phillips for sure, because they
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  Speaker 4: traded a third round pick for him, played fairly well.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he's still this year, was removed from injury
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  Speaker 3: the year before and the year before that.
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  Speaker 4: So maybe even next year he's even better because he
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  Speaker 4: did end the season healthy.
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  Speaker 3: He knows the scheme. You're not particularly deep at edge
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  Speaker 3: rusher right now under contract.
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  Speaker 4: It's let's you know, let's say if Jillen Phillips is
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  Speaker 4: not under contract for you're a free agent. So you're
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  Speaker 4: talking about Nolan Smith, you're talking about Jaelex Hunt, and
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  Speaker 4: you're talking about what Brinda Graham.
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  Speaker 3: So, uh, you're just not deep an edge right now.
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  Speaker 4: And this is a You're you're predicated on having a
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  Speaker 4: four man rush other places. You know, Nikobe Deane's a
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  Speaker 4: great player, but you drafted Johat Campbell in the first round.
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  Speaker 4: Read blanket ship really nice, Ben Solid won a Super Bowl. Great,
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  Speaker 4: he's not irreplaceable. But a guy like Joan Philips, that's hard.
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  Speaker 4: That's harder to replace.
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  Speaker 1: Let's say I told you what you's say about Phillips,
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  Speaker 1: but just to play devil's advocate. You know, is there
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  Speaker 1: any concern that next year when the Eagles take the
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  Speaker 1: field that you have Blankenship and Dean in a Cowboys uniform.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's always that concern that when you lose,
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  Speaker 4: you know, one of your coaches to another team and
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  Speaker 4: it happens to be a division rival. But like again,
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to overstate this. I do think we
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  Speaker 4: Read blanket Ship's a good player. I don't want to
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  Speaker 4: understate this. I mean, I think Read Blankship's a good player.
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  Speaker 4: If he went to the Dallas Cowboys, does that make
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  Speaker 4: them automatic like super Bowl contender? Now it's just you
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  Speaker 4: bring in Read Blankenship because he knows exactly what the
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  Speaker 4: defense is, what the coordinator wants done. He can help
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  Speaker 4: everybody else. He's a good enough player where he can
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  Speaker 4: be a starter. But let's not make it out to
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  Speaker 4: be like, you know, they're getting Ed Reid, uh you know,
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  Speaker 4: or or you know, one of these like Brian Dawkins
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  Speaker 4: in his prime. So I'd be far less or far
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  Speaker 4: more concerned if the Cowboys got jail and Phillips, then
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  Speaker 4: they got Read Blankenship, of course, gotcha.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm just I'm just asking because of the fact
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  Speaker 1: that you know, in my mind and you know, our
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  Speaker 1: fans out there, they look at you know, it's already
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  Speaker 1: been at the Christian Park and went to Dallas. Then
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  Speaker 1: it's like if any of the Eagles guys go to
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  Speaker 1: Dallas too, because remember, you know you Josh Wenten, who
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  Speaker 1: is the other guy who went with Gann into Arizona?
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  Speaker 3: Right as you're white?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I mean it happens. It's
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  Speaker 4: it's certainly something you have to be weary of. H
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  Speaker 4: and you know, but but I think with the way
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  Speaker 4: the Eagles prioritize the trenches, don't make a competitive deal
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  Speaker 4: the jail and Phillips. As long as somebody doesn't go,
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  Speaker 4: you know, crazy Blankenship will see.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny. And I'm only bringing.
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  Speaker 4: That up because I was asking an interview on a
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: PA radio station. The host said to me, well, they
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: got to keep Reblankenship, right, I mean, you have to
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: keep him, And I said why, And I like readplaying.
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: I'm not anti Red Blanketship, but I mean, if you're
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: giving me the pecking order of things the Eagles need
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: to do on defense, and that would include figuring out
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: you know, Jayleen Phillips and then getting extensions for either
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: Carter or Davis or even Moro Joemo's up after three years,
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: like you know, keeping re Blankenship. I wouldn't put as
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: high in the pecking order or that. And again, I'm
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: not trying to slam the guy. I think he's done
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: an excellent job, but I don't see him as an
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: irreplaceable part of the Eagles defense.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Well, I think the other reason why JILLN. Phillips is
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: important is because I'm not trying to throw shade at anyone,
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: but I'm just being realistic. I don't know what Nolan
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Smith is going to be moving forward.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that guy is going to continue
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: to ascend or if he already hit his ceiling. I
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: think Jill X Hunt is continuing to a send, but
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know if Nolan Smith is. And I think
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: that's a huge problem for the Eagles. After I got
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: they invested a first round draft pick in and he
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: may be limited. And now at least you know, in
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Jilen Phillips, you have a guy who has a high ceiling.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: Nolan Phillips. I don't know what his ceiling is anymore
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Jeff right.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: And that's that's another thing.
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: Financially with what you're talking about with Nolan Smith, you're
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: not He's probably not gonna get an extension.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: I can't see that happening. However, it is.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: After year three, so you have to decide on the
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: fifth year option. You are going to pick up his
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: fifth year option, there's no question about that. But that
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: does lock you into a certain amount of money coming up.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: So again, like that's why you're You're trying to figure
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: out what's the best allocation of your money and it's
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: it's gonna be. And and also knowing that at this
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: time next year for Dejene and Quinya Mitchell are gonna
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: need their their contract done.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: So you can't can't pay.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Everybody, No, you can't pay everybody. You gotta make some
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: difficult decisions here. I think that's the biggest reason why
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: uh Na Kobe Dean, for as much as we all
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: love and won't be back because you said they drafted
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Jihad Campbell and at some point you mentioned that there's
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: a laundry list of guys you have to get paid
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: at some point, and you can't just you can't just
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: keep drafting guys again and again and hoping for the best.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Like I mean, for as much as Chris we give
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: hy Roseman for getting Quinya, Mitchell Cooper, Dejene Jill and
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Carter Jordan Davis, et cetera, he's not gonna hit on
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: every single pick every single year. The odds are against
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: it happening. So you can't just infinitely keep replacing guys, That's.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: Right, I mean, part of being an organization that drafts
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: and develops, like the Eagles have done a pretty good
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: job of it. I'll say they had some real rough stretches,
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: uh late Andy Reid years and then through the Chip
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: Kelly and Peterson years, both in missing on draft picks
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: and then just not developing good players who went elsewhere
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: and played better.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: But they've done a much better job.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: But the part of that mindset is that you're gonna
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: lose some good players to you know, we're gonna get
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: paid elsewhere and be able to replace them. That's something
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: that you know, the Steelers deal with, the Ravens deal
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: with it, you know, the Packers deal with it.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Just it happens. That's part of being a draft and
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: developed well.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Jeff, before we let you go because we know that
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Jeff p and P Moshers is for Philadelphia. I'm just kidding,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously, so we'd be asking today throughout the show.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: I want to get your perspective because you've been around
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: the Philadelphia sports team for a long time now, so
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: today's presidence Day. So I figured, let's do a mount
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Rushmore of the Philly sports.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: But you have to pick one player for every team.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, you can't do you get double up on a team,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: So you can't be like, you know, oh, you know,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Mike Schmid and Richie Ashburn. Now you got to pick
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: one Philly one eagle six er flyer. Appiling all the answers,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: at the end of the show, I'm gonna put a
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: poll together to make an official ninety seven to three
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: mount Rushmore lists by the end of the week. So
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: does Jeff Mosher have a mount Rushmore of Philadelphia Sports?
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think I'm gonna be, you know,
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: saying anybody who's not somewhat obvious. I mean, if we're
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: talking Phillies, it's got to be Schmitty, right. I mean,
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: I know you can put Carlton up there as a pitcher.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: He was fantastic, And I've always felt of the two
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: thousand and eight to twenty twelve team that Jimmy Rollins
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: was the best overall and most impactful. In fact, I'm
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: really don't understand why Chase Atley, and I like Chase
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: and against him, why he gets more Hall of Fame
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: boats than Jimmy Rollins, because I feel like Rollins was
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: the overall better player. But nonetheless, Schmidty is your Phillies
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Mount Rushmore guy.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Let's work backwards, so your Sixers Mount Rushmore guy. That
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: one's a little bit tougher, right, I mean it's Iverson,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: doctor J.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: And I mean Moses was only here for a short time,
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: so I don't think.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: You're the first person that you mentioned Moses.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: By the way, Oh, bark plus Barkley.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: We have we have a we have a so so
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: far it's been Barklay.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: And obviously Will Chamberlain.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Will Chamberlain. Yeah, it's gotta be Will.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: So that the four we've been getting throughout the day
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: is either doctor J, Will Iverson or Chuck.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Those are the four.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: YEA, No, it's gotta be Will. So it's gotta be Will.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: It's gotta be Schmidty the best eagle of all time.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's gotta be Reggie White if we if
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: we're being honest.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I've got a lot of I got a lot of
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: votes for Bed and Erick ah Man.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: That's a little bit before my time. I tend to
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: favor of the athletes who are the you know, played
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: in the bigger.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: Faster, more athletic and not taking nothing away from from
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Concrete Charlie.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: But fine, I won't, I won't, you know, dispute it.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: But that that's pretty good.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: He also got some votes for Dawkins obviously.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Flyer. Bobby Clark got.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: A lot of votes for Bobby Clark, got some votes
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: for Eric Lindross.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: We had well, we had one idiot vote for Claude Deraux.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: So oh, come on. I mean club was good, very good,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: but not no.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Not, Jeff, Jeff. I explained this earlier. I said the
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: problem with Jeru is he was a very good player.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: When you're a very good player and you play long enough,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: you build up stats. You can be a stack compiler
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and it makes your career look a lot better than
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: it really was. It's like was Drew Bluts are one
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: of the best quarterbacks of all time. No, but did
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: he play long put up some nice stats? Yes he did.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Yes, Yeah, you know what, for a while, I don't
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: know if it's still that Kerry Collins.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: It was like top ten passing yards all time in
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: the NFL.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: And yeah, you wouldn't you wouldn't put him up there
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: with the greatest quarterbacks to ever played the game.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just you know, people people look at stats
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: sometimes don't look at the career and realize that, hey,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: this guy played for twenty years.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: That kind of helps.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. I'm trying to think
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: if there was anybody that I missed.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, well we did get one vote
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: for Richie Ashburn instead of Mike Schmidt, so we have
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: that person.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Any vote, any votes for Dick Allen, No.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Votes for Dick Allen? Interesting, okay, you know, only one
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: vote for Bertie Paran.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: So okay, Well, I think Bobby Clark is the is
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: the guy that you know, you associate with the the
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: great the broad Street Bulleys, right, I mean, I.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Mean he's the he's the headliner of the broad Street right.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: But I mean there are still lot of people who
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: might look at Bernie paran As. Maybe you know, one
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: of the greatest flyers of all time and you know
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: the guy's a Hall of Famer.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Votes for Lyndros votes got two votes. Okay, that's fair.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: It's fair.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: I think Barbab is generational too.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: It's like, if you didn't grow up watching certain people,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: you know, you're inclined, right, you know what I mean.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, there's a there's that like different differentiation.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: It's like, if you grew up in a certain era,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: it's Lynn Dross, it's Dawkins, it's Alan I Everson. If
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: you grew up in another era, it's Reggie, it's Doctor
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: j It's Bobby Clark.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you see, That's that's the difficulty of the mount Rushmore
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: discussion is like, can anybody ever beat Wilt for the
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: seventy six ers?
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, he put up the most insane No, he
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: was the.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Greatest basketball player there ever was, and you know, people
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: who watch him play would even say that Jordan really
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: can't compare, because the gulf between Wilt and whoever was
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: the second or third best player in the NBA of
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: his era is even wider than Jordan and whoever you
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: want to put second or third in Jordan's era, so
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: I can't say I wasn't old enough.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Well, we'll add your votes to the tabulation.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Jeff Mosher all right, thank you, every one, talk to Wednesday.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: That's the plan. As long as you don't you don't
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: have something else going on.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: No, we're good.