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S3 E8 - Our 200th Episode! - Our thoughts on "Maul: Shadow Lord" Episodes 1-4 (SPOILERS) · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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It's Most Things Kenobi, an elegant podcast for a more
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civilized fandom. Hi everyone, welcome to another
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episode of Most Things Kenobi, a podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and
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all things Star Wars. I'm your host, Lauren.
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And I'm your host, Leanne. And this is our 200th episode.
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That's crazy. It's so cool.
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Go us. It's crazy to me that my mind is
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blown. We had intended to do, I know
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and we used to do every week, which I don't know how we
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survived that. We we wouldn't.
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Like you said when we talked the other day, we would have gotten
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to here a lot sooner, but we had to cut down because it was too
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much. Life.
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But we're here 200 episodes later, we're here.
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We're still having just as much fun, if not more than when we
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first started I. Say, I think so, Yeah.
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I think we're still not losing steam.
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People are like, are you ever going to run out of things to
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talk about? Oh please.
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No, no. Who US?
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No, never. Especially if they keep coming
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out with new shows, which is what we're talking about today.
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But. Absolutely.
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Yeah, that's actually what we're talking about.
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But we did something special for our 200th.
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We've recorded it already, it's just a matter of when I get it
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edited. But we did.
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We were planning to do like a bigger thing for our episode and
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then if mall 200 got yeah, hijacked by mall so.
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Sam Whitler stepped in. Who were we to say no?
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Yeah, so we are we did do something special.
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It's on our Patreon, but it is free on our Patreon.
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It's only going to be over there on Patreon.
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And if it's not there when this episode comes out, it will
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definitely be there by the next episode when we release the next
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episode. So we'll make sure to post it on
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our social media and everything like that when it's it's up and
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available. But it'll be for the free tier.
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You won't have to pay to see it. And not only that, we're on
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camera the whole time. So yes, yeah, it's a video
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episode where we do our whole thing.
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You can see behind the scenes how we do our intros and
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everything. I don't think we messed any up
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that time. I think we did it pretty good.
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I know it's. Almost like having the camera on
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makes us more professional. It's.
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More pressure. Yeah, it is freeing to not be on
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camera. It is.
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It is because some days you come home from work and you just
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wanna be off camera. Yeah.
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Like today it's 80° and I took a walk and not camera ready right
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now differently feel gritty. But anyway, we're here today to
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talk about Mall Shadow Lord episodes one through 4.
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Right. 44 episodes. Yeah, in a row.
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We're going to try to release within each week moving forward,
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but this time around we just had to, we had to wait.
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So we're doing 4 at a time, which was a lot.
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It was a lot to digest. Yeah, especially it's always
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more difficult, I feel when you're first getting to learn
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who everyone is, where everyone is at in this timelines or a
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thing, character names and things.
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Yeah, it's a little confusing at first, but.
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I took Kevin's a page out of Kevin's book this time and
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watched. With captions, subtitles,
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subtitles, yeah. Yeah, it really helped.
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I thought of Kevin as well, but I did not turn the subtitles on.
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I powered through regardless. I usually don't until, like, my
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second watch, but I knew I wasn't going to have time to
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watch it more than once, so I was like, all right, let's put
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him on this time. So I spent half the time
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reading, but that's fine. That's fine.
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Yeah. I want to start by saying that
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this is possibly the most beautiful animation I've ever
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seen. Exactly what I said.
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One of the most visually stunning animations to date to
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date. I was.
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I was so into the lighting throughout all four of these
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episodes. The lighting was.
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It was so good. Yeah.
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And it it's kind of like Clone Wars, but really it's not.
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It's it's like elevated Clone Wars.
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There's more detail, more saturation.
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The action, the movement, is so much more fluid and natural than
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it used to be. I agree.
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I agree with that it was sound mixing.
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Some of those sounds were like it was.
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I really did feel immersed. Like this is a hell of a good
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job for an animation like it's. Yeah.
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It's really good. See, I watched it on my TV and I
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want to watch it again with headphones on because it's
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totally. Different.
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Yeah, and I hear that. I've, I've heard that they
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incorporate Sam's scream into his lightsaber sound effect.
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Oh, goody. And that was not coming through
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on the television. But I, I'm sure it would be more
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noticeable on with headphones. So I want to rewatch at some
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point cause yes, the sound design and the music struck me
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right away. Kevin Kiner is back, but he also
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is he's composing with his daughter and son, his daughter
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Deanna and his son Sean. And they they worked together on
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this and it has that great Clone Wars season 7, I would say.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes. Plus more John Williams feel I
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think. It was very epic at at times.
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It had that epic grand feeling of John Williams.
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Yes, yeah. Yeah, it was.
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Kevin Kiner's a a genius. He is.
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And I've seen other shows now where I've noticed his name,
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because now I know his name and I recognize it where the music
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strikes me and then I see his name in the credits.
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I'm like, that's why the music's so damn good.
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He's he's so talented and I think it's really cool that he's
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composing with his kids. That's, I think that's a nice
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touch too. I didn't know that.
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You always come with the facts, the deep facts.
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Well, I wanted to see if he was the one who was the composer,
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and then I saw these other names with him and I looked him up and
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they said that it's his daughter and son.
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So. Very nice.
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I also looked up the writer because I was, I was curious.
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The lead writer is Matt Mischnovitz.
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I think it's how you say it, Mischnovitz.
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Sorry if I mispronounced it, but he wrote some Clone Wars
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episodes that we like a lot. So which ones?
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That was interesting. Yeah, the Citadel arc.
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Hell yeah, the Umbara arc. Oh, oh fuck.
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What a what a switch the fuck a punk crowd.
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What else? Oh my God, that's.
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Funny the last ones were season 7, the 1st 4 episodes.
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I don't know what that arc is considered like.
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Maybe the bad batch arc or the the one where they find Echo?
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Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I, I think we've said before we don't watch Season 7 too often
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because it's so heartbreaking. Less less familiar with those,
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but. Yeah, I don't know.
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Once is enough. It's like, it's like the lawless
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for me. Once in a blue moon for me.
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Yeah, when you when you're ready to just feel like shit, you sit
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down to watch that. Yeah.
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Well, I thought it was interesting that he wrote those
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Clone Wars episodes because we love those so much.
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But I know you, you said you were kind of struggling with
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this show a bit, The mall show. Here I go.
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No, I, I. So whenever the episodes ended,
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I was kind of sad that they ended because I wanted more.
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It always ended on like a note where I was like, Oh no no, you
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know more. But I find myself gravitating
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towards certain pieces of this timeline of the the show's
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plots, like the plot lines more than others.
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The reason I struggled with episode 1 of this 4 episode set
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is because it was mostly about like the criminal underground.
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And that stuff just doesn't interest me on a, on a like a
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whole level has nothing to do with Star Wars.
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It's just something that I'm just not drawn to.
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But when I finally realized who Devin was and what her and her
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Master, what like what that was, I was like, OK, all right, here
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we go. And the other thing was the cop,
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like the lead investigator, I'm into him.
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There's some interest there, yeah.
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And so it was enough to keep me going, obviously, but I was
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going to watch the whole thing anyway because Sam Whitworth.
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But like, you know. Yeah, what I'm kind of realizing
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is they are pulling and I didn't realize this because I knew it.
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I realized that after I kind of watched some Youtubes to help
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me. They're referencing the mall
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comic. Oh God, what's it called?
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Shadow Lord or I know the show is called Shadow Lord but there
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was like a one off comic that they released and apparently
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that's where like the death of Marians came from.
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That's where Rook cast who's the Mandalorian female that works
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with him closely. That's where she came from.
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Because I was like, who the hell are these people?
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Exactly that. I struggled with that because I
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had no idea like what? And am I stupid or like what,
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what is the master plan with any of this that Maul talked about?
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I was trying, I was struggling. Is he, what is the his goal with
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what is the goal of this show? How does it tie into the greater
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Star Wars timeline? So I think, I think there might
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be a book in there that I'm, you know, not familiar with, but
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then it is ultimately trying to tie in with Solo.
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I got that. Yeah.
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Another obscure one off thing that you wouldn't find like
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important. What also like he's in solo for
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about two seconds The. Last two seconds.
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Yeah, to like tie in with that is it's like OK, how and why,
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but. But is it going to bridge into
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Season 7 of Clone Wars? It has to, right?
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And and don't forget Rebels, where is Ezra?
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Like he's got to come down the line too.
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And that whole storyline. So season 7 has happened
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already. Oh, that's right.
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I'm stupid. You're right.
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The Empire's already in place. Dumb.
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I'm dumb. So.
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We're not the only ones, like even Star Wars explained was
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like, this timeline's a little fuzzy and they know way more
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than than I do. They are familiar with like
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almost all the material that's out there and they were
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confused. So it's after season 7.
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It's after like Lawless. Remember after Lawless Palpatine
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shows up and takes Mall. Yeah, right.
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Then these Rook cast and these other some other Mandalorians
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who remained loyal to him after he killed Prvisla broke him out
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of jail wherever Palpatine was keeping him.
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Right, right. And then they go back to
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Mandalore, right? For season 7 of Clone Wars,
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right? Yes, that's correct.
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Just. Trying to keep it all.
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Ahsoka Yeah, the whole thing with the.
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Yep. Yes, and now he's running run
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amok off into the Galaxy. And I guess this is what he's
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doing before he meets Ezra because he's old.
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By the time he meets Ezra, he's kind of like an old man.
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Quote UN quote. Yes, yes, so Ezra is before
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Kenobi ends his ass again. Again, again.
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Also, were you thinking the entire time everyone's dueling
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him that Kenobi's the only one that actually won any of the
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fights? So.
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Yes, I was. Yeah, yeah.
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Fucking dope Obi Wan. Yeah, and I don't want to jump
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ahead, but you could tell when Maul is fighting Devin that he's
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just toying with her, like allowing her to feel powerful,
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but that he was holding back completely.
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Yeah, we will get to that. Yes, sorry.
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But OK. So pre not visa but pre Ezra
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which is close post. It's post Visla, literally and.
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That's. Pre Ezra.
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Yes, Jesus. OK, got it.
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I'm locked in. So the thing I think is kind of
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cool is this overlaps a bit with the and or timeline like and or
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is a young man right now, He's like a teenager at this point,
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maybe about to go to jail for the first time, or maybe he's
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just because he he's at the battle of Jim Beam, whatever the
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fuck that is. Remember, and that's also where
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Han Solo is. So there's like some overlap
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with these stories. It literally I thought you said
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the Battle of Jim Beam. That is what I said because I
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could never pronounce what it's actually called.
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Jim. Beam.
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Yeah. Whatever the fuck it is OK?
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All right, All right. Carry on.
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Yeah. Yeah, that's what I call it.
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Jim Beam, Battle of Jim Beam. Everyone's drunk there.
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I love it. Drunk and happy.
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Always. Yes.
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Anyway, so this what is this planet called?
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Janix Because the reason I I looked it up and I remembered it
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is because I thought of Rocky Horror Picture Shows Picture
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Show. Damn it, Janix, Janet, damn it,
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Janet. But it's Janix.
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See how I did that? I see.
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Yeah, this is great. All right, well.
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Whatever gets it to stick in my brain, you know?
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Is this new? I I'm not familiar.
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It is, I think. It was.
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It's a uh huh. It's a new urban planet with
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multiple layers, like levels like Coruscant.
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It has weather. I don't know if you noticed that
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it had weather because I was like, oh, this, this is not
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Coruscant. And that's when I looked it up
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And I first of all, I love the neon aesthetic of this planet.
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Yes, this planet is Gotham City meets Blade Runner.
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Yes, you got it. You got it.
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That's the vibe I got. It's very cool.
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I love it. I love it.
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I do too. I'm here for it.
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I would visit that that planet just visiting.
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I don't want to stay. I just want to visit and like
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check out the street vendors. Well, this.
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I mean, it must be very early on, right?
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Because the Empire is not there yet.
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Well, until. Until.
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The hour, yeah. Oh the music at the end of that
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episode 4 was so good. I don't, I know.
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I was, I was waiting for it. You know, the classic, it
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reminded me of the way the Star Destroyers over Jetta City.
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You know, it's like there's it just literally parks on top of
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you and even it's so cool. It's so, it's so good.
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It's so well done and that's why I think Kevin Keiner really
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bridges the music well because he has this slight touch of
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Clone Wars in it, but he brings in that George, George, sorry,
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the Judd Williams music, but I can't speak, so just ignore me.
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It was, it's, it's so good. Those are the those are like the
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highlights, the music, the aesthetics, the animation style.
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Holy cow, the sounds. I think the acting is really
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good too. I, I really like that.
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I don't know if it's how to describe it.
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Like the tapestry of voices, the choices that they've made for
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the different accents and everything I think is so
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beautiful. And multiple times I was like, I
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got to look up who that is. That's such an interesting
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voice. Totally.
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And I just, I love, I have such a soft spot in my heart for
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Dennis Haysbert as an actor because he's in a bunch of
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things that I loved growing up. So that he gets to voice a Jedi
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Master is so cool. And I really, really liked that
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character. The like the species.
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Yeah, and. It's a good choice.
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I love like. Robin Hood or something with the
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pointed hood. I was like, yes, the outlaw
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living in the forest. He's like a miniature Gandalf
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with his medal. Yes, Oh my God, he is.
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You know, I just love I'd. He reminds me of a grown up
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turtle person from Felicia. Yeah, I haven't looked up.
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What? But he has that long head in the
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back and. Yeah, like it's almost like a
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bone. I don't know, he's cool.
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I really liked him very much, and it's nice to see a female
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Twilac not in scantily clad. You know, anytime we get a
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female Twilac or Twilac, you know, whether it's Hara Sandola.
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Yeah, it's refreshing. Or wielding A lightsaber.
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I'm here for it, yeah. She's not just a pin up girl on
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the wall of some mechanic shop in the background, right?
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Yes, I liked her character too because she was so conflicted
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and very. Confused.
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Loved it. And it's so understandable too,
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because he's older, obviously, so he's more indoctrinated into
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like the the idea of not compromising your values.
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And she is feeling so raw and to watch her Master debase himself
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and beg and then still not meet with kindness, you know, right,
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Right. She makes a lot of sense to me
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and why she's conflicted and why she's so such a good match for
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Maul. It's like such an interesting
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dynamic. Oh, very, very.
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And I really liked. Oh, man, I said to myself.
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I said to myself, I'm going to end up agreeing with Darth Maul
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in this show, am I not? No, I know.
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You know what I mean? Yeah, I do.
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He's very, very good at manipulation.
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Because you do start to believe him, and then you're like, wait
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a minute. You.
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Murdered a village of people to get Obi Wan Kenobi to show up.
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That was not doing what you must.
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That was just murder. Yeah, he he, his execution style
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leaves little to be desired. But I I like Oh, and Sam
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Wittler, so good. But I like the way he presents
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things in a twisted way where it seems like it's oh, I'm, I'm
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having a moment of clarity. Perhaps he is correct.
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But you know, you know, deep down or we the viewer know deep
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down. Don't do it.
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Don't do it. Yeah.
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They, we have said this on previous episodes, the Sith prey
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on weak and vulnerable individuals who are emotionally
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struggling. And that's Devin right there.
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Yeah, then they don't even need to lie to you.
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They just use their perspective to recast, you know what, the
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Jedi that they're trying to manipulate or the person, It
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doesn't have to be a Jedi, whatever they're thinking.
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And it's he's sitting there pouring tea.
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That is an old Japanese tradition.
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Yeah, and he does it, I think with previous in a previous
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like, you know, back in the day, I think they drink the same tea.
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I thought it was a great effect. That's what you do when you
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invite someone into your home, you know, to to level the
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playing field, so to speak, like a dignitary would offer that to
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anyone of rank, no matter what your, your like status was.
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And I was like, oh, this is good, This is good.
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And the way he says that you, I can tell you have this idea of
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me in your mind and I can be that for you if that's what you
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need. Oh, but this is me showing you
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that I have many sides. I loved that approach because I
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was like, yeah, I kind of like, this is charming.
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It's very seductive, so to speak.
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Not in like a very sexy way. I mean, it's not, it's not sexy,
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but it's. Still, it's like into listening.
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Exactly. But I also liked how they had
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her constantly trying to find an exit, plot plotting it.
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That's the Jedi in her, her training, plotting to find an
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exit, find a way out, find a weakness in the structure.
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This, that, the other. I loved that.
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I love that. Yeah, and Maul kept saying even
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with a weapon, your instinct is to run.
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And it's more of like a Jedi thing where you're it's
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passivity. You're not supposed to fight
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unless you have to, right? And why would she if she doesn't
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have to? Granted, I do think she probably
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has a lot of fear because she was really young when the Jedi
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fell apart. That is the thing I fucking
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loved about all four of these episodes.
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The best part to me was the part when Maul is talking about the
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institutions that you've relied on have a collapse and the life
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you thought you were going to have no longer exists.
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And there's just something deeply resonant about that.
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Amen. He wasn't wrong, but he said
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when she was trying to say like, oh, we believe in good and
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protecting the peace. And he said, well, how far did
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that get the Jedi? Where are they now?
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He wasn't wrong. We've talked about this.
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That's the thing about being too extreme in the light and too
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extreme in the dark. They were fools and and.
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Naive. Yes.
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And while they stood for honorable things think, you
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know, they had dignity in what they did, It's it failed because
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the balance wasn't there. They they felt too strongly
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about things where they could have given a little.
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And Maul presented it in a fashion that I thought was the
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writing was fantastic. He just presented it right out
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there and she couldn't argue with it because she knew it was
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true. She knew it was true and that's
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what hurts. That's what stings the most.
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Yeah. And I loved when the master,
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when she and her Master faced off with Mall, he just, he said
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something like that's your delusion or something like that.
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And he was so rock solid. And it was interesting to see
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how Mall fought them each differently because, you know,
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they present a totally different resistance to him.
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He knows that Devin's is kind of like.
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A little shaky. And also that it's like kind of
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because it's she's a Jedi and it's what it's expected, but
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maybe she doesn't even agree with it.
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She might actually see the truth in what he's saying, but isn't
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ready to admit that out loud yet.
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Oh totally. I did think it was kind of funny
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someone kicked him in the knee. Yeah, her Master.
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Master, Yeah. I thought his name.
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What is? His name Daki.
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Yeah. He he goes to Uncle Daki, yes.
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Uncle Daki Yeah, I thought it was a great move and I'm like,
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why are they not aiming for the legs?
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Yeah, Obi Wan went for the knees or the neck.
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Or the neck. But.
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Well remember Obi Wan kept kicking savage oppressive the
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knee over and over until he couldn't walk anymore.
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And it wasn't. Getting anywhere?
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No, but I mean, Roundhouse him and then slice at the knee.
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What's he going to do, hobble away?
24:49
Well, he's so fucking strong. He took down that bridge, which
24:51
I thought was a great mom. Is that strong?
24:55
It reminded me of the scene in season 7 where he breaks like
24:58
the reactor room down. Yeah, he's he.
25:02
Doesn't need a light Saber, honestly, he can do he's crazy.
25:07
He's can, he can do anything that's scary.
25:11
It is scary and I thought they portrayed him very well as
25:14
frightening in that scene where after the tea he offers her tea
25:18
and she takes his lightsaber and he he was offering her either
25:22
the tea or the lightsaber. Like you could tell they were
25:24
both there for her to accept and she, he kind of expected her to
25:28
fight back I guess. But the way he was just
25:32
appearing and disappearing in the darkness, so.
25:35
Good, that's a mind fuck. I feel like Thrawn would use
25:38
that move. I feel like.
25:40
Yeah. Maul is kind of bread crumbing,
25:44
a little Thrawn ish flavoring with things.
25:49
I love him because he's not just brute force.
25:52
He can be. He started that way, but he's
25:55
evolved into something far scarier.
25:58
Because there is intellect and and reasoning, it's just leading
26:03
you into a solution that is kind of scary.
26:07
Yeah, yeah. I mean, Duku made some good
26:10
points too. And he was that simmering cold.
26:14
You didn't know which way he was going to go, if he was going to
26:16
blow up and fuck a thing up, you know, like go all out, or if he
26:20
was going to try to, like, schmooze his way out of
26:23
something. Mall.
26:24
I feel like this is the mature mall.
26:26
This is the the mature mall. And it's before he's the like
26:34
bizarre eccentric ball in Rebels and he hasn't made his sateen
26:40
shrine yet. What the fuck I?
26:43
Know when does that happen? Why does it happen?
26:47
It makes me wonder if the stuff from Solo is going to be in the
26:53
middle of this since they've already approved it for a season
26:56
2, or if that's like somewhere at the end.
26:59
Bookending it like that is where I'm most confused because that
27:03
appearance made him seem older, but that could have just been
27:07
because the actor is older. True, I do hope if they decide
27:11
to go that direction, they invite Emilia Clarke back.
27:14
Long live Daenerys Targaryen. She's still my queen.
27:21
I hope they bring her back and her character and we get a
27:23
little background in an animated form and it would just be nice
27:26
to hear her voice again, you know, in Star Wars.
27:29
But. Yeah.
27:31
I do hope they bridge that if they decide to go that
27:33
direction. If not, that's fine.
27:35
We have Solo, but what's her name?
27:36
Kira. Yeah.
27:38
I mean, they have the opportunity to finally connect
27:42
solo to something because it's just hanging out there like
27:45
weird ass thing that. It really is.
27:48
Just nobody watches and nobody really likes.
27:51
I mean, I know there are a couple people who like it, but
27:53
I've only ever seen it once. It was just kind of meh to me.
27:58
Saying there were good parts in it, but overall it was.
28:02
And like, the mall at the end, I was like, holy shit, that's
28:05
awesome. And then they did nothing with
28:07
it. Yeah.
28:08
Right, right. They kind of got their budget
28:12
slashed after nobody saw Solo so well, we're making up for it
28:17
now. Leave it to Dave Filoni to bring
28:19
out legends, to bring out loose ends, to tie them all together
28:24
to, you know what I mean? Well, and I'm very curious to
28:27
see where this goes because it's got a lot of episodes.
28:30
Is it 10 or is it 12? I can't remember.
28:32
I thought it was. 12 because if you look at the cast, mall is
28:36
on. I'm sorry, it's 10.
28:38
Mall is on for 10 episodes. Sandwich was in 10 episodes, so
28:41
I'm assuming it's 10. I don't know why I said 12.
28:43
No, Yeah, this is kind of like it's kind of a spoiler.
28:48
Maybe, maybe not because they. Don't look at it, I was going to
28:53
think. There's there's numbers on
28:54
everybody, but maybe sometimes they don't update them because
28:58
they don't put the cast out. But of course Mull is going to
29:01
be in all for sure. I was going to say, Oh no, I am
29:05
very afraid that Uncle Ducky is going to get killed and it's
29:09
going to be part of what pushes Devin towards Mull.
29:12
But. I was expecting that in the
29:14
episode where he got hurt. I said, oh, this is he's going
29:18
to get killed in front of her. She's going to turn just like a
29:21
Saj Ventress, just like all the other ones that are are wronged
29:25
and have vengeance. And she's going to just like
29:28
Anakin. We're going to go the vengeance
29:30
route. But revenge was the one who
29:33
killed him. She wouldn't want revenge.
29:35
That's why I'm worried it's going to be like the ISB who
29:38
kills him. Oh.
29:39
They mentioned the ISBI thought that was cool.
29:42
Yeah, I'm like Deidre. Where?
29:43
You at? Where you at, girl Critic?
29:47
Where's my boy? I know.
29:49
I was like, where's the not you, Lauren?
29:52
Yeah. Where's you, Lauren?
29:53
God damn you, Damn you Lauren. Fucking traitor.
30:01
Can we talk about Devin's fighting style?
30:04
Yes, please. Familiar.
30:09
No. Who is it?
30:11
Obi Wan, she had the whole like the the thing with the arm, the
30:16
very. Defensive.
30:16
I did think, yes, I did think when they both struck their pose
30:20
in front of mall, the mall must have just been like God.
30:22
Damn it, not another one. I will not be cut in half this
30:28
time, but a padawan. It was nice to see because we
30:33
don't see a lot of people strike that similar pose when preparing
30:38
to fight their enemy, to fight their opponent.
30:42
Yeah, that's. True, and it was.
30:44
That was her chosen. That was her chosen form and I
30:47
appreciated that she really was on the defense the entire time
30:51
until she got like real pissed. Yeah, yeah.
30:54
He pushed her so much that eventually she did attack him,
30:59
but not even she force pushed him, I guess.
31:02
Yeah. In the revenge episode that we
31:04
just watched on our Patreon watch party.
31:07
Yeah, yeah, that's true. He pushes Obi Wan so much that
31:10
he attacks and when he attacks, he did doesn't do a very good
31:13
job. He's so upset.
31:16
Yeah. It's interesting that I'd love,
31:17
I can love and hate that about Maul, that he knows how to how
31:22
to turn you against yourself. Yeah, and again, she's
31:27
vulnerable and young and this is like post traumatic, all kinds
31:33
of issues with. I was a little upset that we
31:36
have yet another set of Jedi that made it out of.
31:41
Order 66 and that was my first thought.
31:43
Was Adam to the list. It's just, it just undermines
31:47
like Luke's, you're the last one or something.
31:50
But then there's one more and it's, you know.
31:53
Over and over. It's just that that has slipped
31:56
farther and farther away so. It has.
31:59
That was my only like gripe about it.
32:03
And I'm so sick of Mandalorians. I'm so fucking sick of them and
32:06
their little tricks and their little.
32:10
I am too. I'm so tired.
32:13
I'm so tired of Mandalorians. I totally agree and I have that
32:17
thought also because to be perfectly honest, the clone Wars
32:23
episodes where Mall starts putting together his crime
32:25
syndicate. I was so bored for the most part
32:29
during that stuff. I don't care about crime
32:33
syndication in the Star Wars universe.
32:35
It's it's tough for me too, the like mafia boss feeling of it
32:41
all and backstabbing and. And that was all where the
32:44
Mandalorian lore started to come in a little more because he was
32:47
with pre visa. And so I know why people love
32:50
it, but I just I'm so bored with it at this point.
32:53
Like you. It's like we have the
32:55
Mandalorian. We have like half of Clone Wars
32:59
is dedicated to Mandalorians and then also Bad Batch has a whole
33:04
bunch of it's just like I'm can we please just move on?
33:12
It's been diluted it, it used to be a cool thing and then it got
33:16
really diluted and, and then it's not that they're any less
33:20
cool, it's just we've seen it now.
33:23
It's not as rare. Mandalorians were supposed to be
33:25
rare, I felt. Yeah.
33:28
An elite group. And that, I feel, is no longer
33:34
the case, at least in my opinion.
33:36
When we've gone deep into like Sabine's family tree and yes,
33:40
yes, Oh my God, I can't believe I'm forgetting Katie Salka's
33:45
characters. Thank you, Boca Tan.
33:47
And, and I mean, then we don't even go that deep.
33:50
We just like hear about all of this stuff.
33:54
And then the Oh my God, who is the the one who the one who
33:59
works the forge in the Mandalorian show.
34:03
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Why can't I remember her
34:05
name? I can't remember anybody right
34:06
now. But it's just like, Oh my God,
34:08
can we just introduce something new or even like go back to like
34:14
pull out another piece of of Star Wars lore, like the wheels,
34:20
like the the what cheer and bays were I want to learn more about
34:25
them. Yeah, they were interesting
34:27
because it was a little bit level.
34:29
It's a level deeper and that's what you and I gravitate
34:31
towards. Yeah, yeah, I want to talk about
34:35
two boots a bit. Now who's?
34:37
That and Lawson. So it's Lawson the detective and
34:41
his his Droid 2 boots because I thought that Wagner Morda was
34:48
fantastic. He was in Narco and he's such a
34:52
good actor. Very.
34:53
His voice was so beautiful for this.
34:56
I just thought it was perfect. Totally attracted to a non
34:59
existing character over. Here.
35:01
Oh yeah. Yeah, me, yeah.
35:03
Yep, same. He's beautiful.
35:06
I love the scene where he went and visited like his like inside
35:10
Intel and she's like, I'm here for dinner.
35:12
I'm like, bitch, I get you. I get.
35:14
This I know. Do you want me to maybe ruin it
35:16
for you? What?
35:19
Do you know who voices that character?
35:22
It's the one who voices this lady he goes see is the woman
35:26
who voices Bobby from King of the Hill.
35:30
What? Did you ever watch that show?
35:32
Cause again, I was like that voice is very familiar to me and
35:36
I had to look. Get out of here What?
35:41
I don't like that show. I never really got into it
35:44
either. I only liked Tom Petty on that
35:46
show, but he wasn't on it all the time.
35:48
So you. Know what?
35:49
Everyone. Sorry, work.
35:51
She was hot though, that girl. She's great.
35:53
Yeah, she's a talented voice actress, but I just like.
35:56
Cool character. Yeah, I thought it was great.
36:00
And then it was so blade runnery to me and that building that
36:05
they approached reminded me kind of of like a sci-fi version of
36:09
the Paris Opera House. For some reason.
36:11
It just had like that vibe to be but nice.
36:18
I'm going to not say his name, right?
36:19
Forgive me, Richard Ayode. My God, I'm I'm butchering it.
36:24
I looked up how to before we started, and now I've forgotten,
36:28
but I love him. He played Moss in the IT crowd,
36:32
which I watched, you know, decades ago, and I have always
36:37
loved him since watching that and the fact that he's playing
36:40
this Droid and playing it perfectly, it is very
36:44
delightful. But I was really disappointed
36:49
and freaked out a little bit by his choice to contact the
36:53
Empire. Yeah, I yeah, yeah.
36:59
It, it feels like AI turning against us.
37:04
And that is why I really was disturbed by it because it he's
37:09
like, this is not the best thing to do.
37:11
Like if the empire comes here, they'll never leave.
37:14
Please don't do this. We have reasons not to.
37:16
And he was just like, this is for the best.
37:18
It is protocol and I'm overriding you.
37:20
But also did the false like I have, he apologized.
37:25
He said I have no intention of going over your head and then
37:28
did that, which they've shown like AI does, that where it will
37:33
lie to preserve itself. I honestly don't think that
37:38
droids should have feeling like that.
37:43
Yeah, but they all seem to, I mean like think of 3PO and R2
37:47
and Chopper. They all have feelings.
37:50
I know, it's fucking weird. I don't know.
37:52
I he was the Cyril of droids in that moment.
37:58
Really. Yes, he was.
38:00
Cyril is one step away from a Droid.
38:02
Let's be. Honestly, him in this Droid
38:05
interchangeable. 1 wears a tie, 1 doesn't.
38:10
And one is charming and one is not.
38:13
Yeah, the Droid is charming. I was just.
38:15
Telling you to kiss you. Yep.
38:20
Yeah, and. Like when he brings him a cup of
38:22
coffee and he's like, I can't, I can't taste it or drink it.
38:26
But I'm just here in the moment with you.
38:28
I noticed the cup of coffee, I was like he is not going to
38:31
drink that and he didn't. But I was just like that's kind
38:34
of cute. Do you think they pre programmed
38:36
these droids to ensure that if the empire is needed they
38:40
default to that? I do wonder.
38:42
They have wondered that too. Yeah, because they seem to have
38:47
a brotherly relationship. There's a photo of them together
38:50
on the droids desk which is bizarrely human.
38:54
But well, now Andor and K2 could also have a picture of each
39:00
other. Sure.
39:01
But your ship, I'm like, how do I describe it?
39:06
Like you know how when you're paying your mortgage, you're
39:08
paying into the equity of your home and you feel like when you
39:12
have friendship, you pay into equity there and that like when
39:16
something goes wrong, you fall back on the yes, we have history
39:20
and I love this person. I'm giving them the benefit of
39:22
the doubt. Is the Droid just playing that?
39:25
And then when it comes time for the Droid to trust that Lawson
39:30
is acting for the best for everyone, he doesn't trust him
39:33
and he's just programmed to do whatever the Empire wants.
39:36
I do wonder that's what. That's where I was leaning with
39:39
it honestly. That's why I said are they pre
39:41
programmed? Do they have a default in them
39:46
that's programmed? It I've, I'm kind of nauseated
39:51
by how AI has changed my opinion of droids in Star Wars, which
39:57
sounds so stupid, but it really has.
39:59
Like I feel like there is now with how AI works and how it's
40:07
so pervasive in every fucking area of every kind of industry
40:14
and personal stuff. And you can't get a laptop or a
40:17
phone that doesn't have it. It's like having a worldwide
40:22
network that's accessible by these private corporations.
40:29
And why would that be any different in Star Wars?
40:32
It feels like the droids now are an easy point of attack and and
40:37
contact with anybody you'd want anywhere.
40:40
Yes, all you would have to do is install the right software and
40:45
turn it on somewhere and flick of a switch.
40:47
It's no different than the Order 66 chip.
40:49
It's the same thing, except in a Droid who is easier to install
40:55
and maintain. Yeah, and they have to go and
40:58
recharge. It's really scary.
41:01
Right. Like, they go back to their
41:02
charging station and for all you know, it's getting a software
41:05
update. And yeah, the Empire data spikes
41:09
them and sends in a whole bunch of new yeah.
41:11
I never wanted to think of Star Wars this way.
41:15
Well here where the fuck we are. I know we need more R twos in
41:19
our life. I know.
41:21
Oh my God, he's like he's binary at this point.
41:25
R2 has never been or not binary. What's the word?
41:28
I'm looking for analog. Analog, but R2 is a fucking
41:34
legend. He maintains legendary status.
41:38
Yeah. He's never been wiped and he
41:40
doesn't need AI. He's smarter than AI.
41:42
Yeah, I feel like he recharges by his own sense of self worth
41:46
instead of plugging into like a port somewhere.
41:50
He was with Padme and then Anakin and then Leia and Luke.
41:55
He's got this, OK. He's self-sustaining.
42:00
I I'm sorry to sidetrack us into very, in my opinion, depressing
42:06
territory, but. Well if it turns out that the
42:10
Droid, what's his name, 2 boots, 2 bit, 2 bits shave and a
42:14
haircut, 2 bits. If two boots ends up being like
42:20
a defaulted pre programmed empire leaning Droid, then I'll
42:26
really feel ick. Yeah, at the end of all this.
42:30
I mean, it may not go that way. He might just be a very serial
42:34
minded joy, you know, just. Yeah, but I don't though that
42:40
would make a very interesting dynamic with Lawson, considering
42:43
they're implying that Lawson's wife is Empire.
42:47
Yeah. And it's like, I like broken up.
42:51
I really like this character honestly.
42:53
I do too. I think he's very interesting,
42:57
yeah. And he's kind but also kind of
43:00
shitty dad. And it's just he's complex.
43:04
And I like that they're not making him one-dimensional and.
43:08
Yeah, Speaking of the kid, this is this the first like sports
43:14
game that we've witnessed in a, in a very like pedestrian
43:18
setting in Star Wars. It looks like rugby.
43:21
It looks like rugby and. Field hockey or not?
43:26
Not field hockey. Oh my gosh.
43:27
What's the one with the cricket? Maybe.
43:31
No, it's not cricket. It's not cricket.
43:33
Some British, Australian, some British person, they can tell us
43:37
some help me, help me. Tell me what I'm trying to think
43:40
of. There was a blonde guard that
43:44
was with Lawson working for him. I thought he sounded like Matt
43:50
Lanter, but then when I went down through the line, Lanter's
43:52
not in the cast, so I was like. Damn, Yeah.
43:55
I wondered if they're going to sneak.
43:57
Like, Steve Bloom is in there and so is Steven Stanton.
44:00
So I wonder if they're going to sneak.
44:02
Other Steve Bradley Baker's in it too.
44:04
Oh, yeah, yeah. So.
44:07
But I don't know James, James said.
44:09
He was not. He didn't see.
44:11
You know how he told us how he could tell?
44:13
When he listen James, listen James, we saw the smirk you
44:19
gave. Yeah, I don't know.
44:21
His reaction really seemed like he wasn't in the show.
44:25
But he's a professional professional.
44:29
Yeah, I guess we'll wait and see, but I it would be cool if
44:32
they brought Matt and Ashley and James in to just like, play
44:36
extra characters. That's all.
44:38
Just give us a little. And you can't argue that you
44:41
need fresh blood because you have Vanessa Marshall playing a
44:45
main character and you have Steve Bloom and you have Stephen
44:48
Sadden. Those are all not and David
44:51
Collins also, by the way, who has done a voice in everything
44:56
Star Wars basically since. Yes.
44:59
Phantom Menace I think. Yes, God, he goes back as far as
45:04
mall I know. Back he does I Yeah, I don't
45:11
argue that you can't bring those Clone Wars actors in 'cause it's
45:15
true. I won't buy.
45:15
They do have schedules too that they have to balance.
45:18
It's true, but come on guys. I have to say I really enjoy the
45:24
character Verio, the little guy. Oh, the little guy, Yeah, he had
45:30
like a little furry gills or something.
45:33
Yes, well, that voice actor does such a good job making him
45:38
funny. He's got these little quips that
45:41
you almost don't hear because he's like being closed into a
45:44
room or. Yeah, yeah.
45:46
And, and he's kind of like nervous energy.
45:47
I really liked when Wall did the lightsaber through the wall,
45:51
getting closer and closer to him.
45:52
I said that's effective. Yes.
45:55
And after that, when he's standing in the hall and you can
45:58
feel him sense her through the door and then he turns to look
46:01
at her, it's just like, whoa, that's spooky.
46:04
And really? Well done with those eyes of
46:06
his. His eyes are fucking crazy.
46:08
Those are crazy eyes. She was very calm.
46:11
I'd have been freaking the fuck out.
46:14
I would not have done. Well, I would not have been into
46:17
like looking out the door at that point once I saw it was
46:20
him. But he could probably censor.
46:22
Even if she was hiding, you probably could have picked up
46:25
her energy. That's the thing.
46:27
They can sense fear. Yeah, well, and he said you
46:30
could feel a new apprentice coming.
46:33
And so that's why I wonder if he's if it's possible because
46:37
there's, you know, six more episodes.
46:39
Maybe she's not The Apprentice, maybe she's like a Mac Guffin or
46:42
something. But or red herring or whatever
46:45
they call it. I don't know how it's going to
46:47
go. I just, I, I have hope for her.
46:49
But again, it's Star Wars. Well, now I think they're going
46:54
to start introducing the Empire and maybe Inquisitors.
46:57
And so I feel like their pacing is pretty good that they're
47:02
introducing this on the like front end of the season.
47:05
And then there's a season 2. So I feel like unlike Acolyte,
47:09
we might actually get a resolution to the show.
47:13
Don't. Don't speak too soon.
47:15
Yeah, I know, I know. We probably will.
47:17
The thing is, is we have a book, we have a, a before and after.
47:21
So when there's a before and after and they put something in
47:23
the middle, usually they can bridge the 2.
47:28
Yeah. Usually.
47:30
Fingers crossed, for God's sakes.
47:33
We're giving them the benefit of the doubt, Bridget.
47:37
OK. Yeah, I'm looking forward to
47:40
more. I'm trying not to jump ahead and
47:44
judge too quick because it's not like I'm drawn in.
47:49
But I also wasn't drawn into Clone Wars until Season 2, so
47:53
no, I'm gonna. And I didn't like Ahsoka and I
47:56
love her and I didn't like Obi Wan and I love Obi Wan.
47:58
So I'm trying to remember that for myself.
48:00
It's. True, it's true.
48:01
Give it a chance, let it complete and see how they do.
48:05
But of course, like I'm, I would say I'm very impressed with the
48:11
animation. I'm very impressed with the
48:13
acting and I'm excited to see where it goes.
48:15
So yes, I'm I'm enjoying it. Yeah, after I got past the this
48:22
is, this is crime syndicate like.
48:25
Yeah. You have to understand, I just
48:27
don't like it in any movie. I'm just not drawn to those kind
48:31
of movies, but I am. I am into this enough now.
48:35
There's enough characters that intrigue me where I I am looking
48:39
forward to the next watching four in a row.
48:41
I got to pace myself next time, but my schedule's been like
48:45
pretty intense lately. My work schedule so well, I am
48:48
my personal, but I watched them all at once and I it's hard to
48:52
do that. Well, the next ones that come
48:55
out will just be two, so we can handle that a little better.
48:58
You know, I heard someone say that the crime syndicate stuff
49:02
and the way the city looks and even the the meeting between the
49:06
two crime Lords, that it all had Batman inspiration, like Dark
49:11
Knight vibes. Yeah.
49:14
And that's all about the Moronis and the oh, God, I can't
49:17
remember the other ones now. And like, even in Batman, it's
49:20
like, I like it better there because it's more of the
49:22
foundation of the story. I tire of it very quickly
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usually, and I tired of it immediately in Clone Wars.
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So I hope they kind of like make it more about Maul and the way
49:34
he's twisting her mind and less about the crime syndicates as
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they move forward. I do think it was just a
49:41
springboard. Yeah, 'cause they're all kind of
49:44
dead now. Yeah.
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And he killed them all. It was.
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It was to draw in all the characters at once.
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The master, The Apprentice, Mall Lawson, and then the Droid at
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the end basically. Yeah.
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OK, so now they're all kind of intertwined, and now maybe it
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will unfold. Yeah.
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It more more holy in a way WHOLLY not HOLY.
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There's nothing holy about Darth Mall.
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I hope it unfolds more completely because that yeah, I
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