Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 928: Foundations - The Secret to Good Treestand Setups
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
- 0:05Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,
- 0:09Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind.
- 0:14Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host
- 0:19Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
- 0:20Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundation's podcast,
- 0:22Speaker 2: which has brought to you by first Light. I'm your host,
- 0:24Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and this episode is all about trees, you know,
- 0:27Speaker 2: learning how to read them and how that can help
- 0:29Speaker 2: you become a better deer hunter because you have better setups.
- 0:34Speaker 2: This one is one of those topics that sounds boring
- 0:37Speaker 2: as hell, but I'll tell you something.
- 0:39Speaker 3: It's important.
- 0:40Speaker 2: I spend a stupid amount of time looking up at trees,
- 0:43Speaker 2: eyeballing them, thinking about if I could get a stand
- 0:46Speaker 2: in them, and if I do, where and how I'll
- 0:48Speaker 2: set up. Now, this is relevant to summer stand hanging missions,
- 0:52Speaker 2: of course, but also throughout the rest of the season,
- 0:55Speaker 2: and it's absolutely necessary if you want to be a
- 0:57Speaker 2: mobile hunter at all. Now, I promise to try to
- 1:00Speaker 2: make this less boring than it sounds, and I promise
- 1:02Speaker 2: you that if you give it a listen and you
- 1:03Speaker 2: start to take it seriously, you will become a better
- 1:06Speaker 2: whitetail hunter.
- 1:06Speaker 3: So buckle up, because it's time to talk about trees.
- 1:16Speaker 2: There are roughly about seventy thousand different species of trees
- 1:20Speaker 2: on our planet. At least those are the ones that
- 1:23Speaker 2: have been identified and cataloged anyway, They obviously vary by
- 1:27Speaker 2: size and shape and a whole lot of other features
- 1:30Speaker 2: by species, and can be small, little tiny guys like
- 1:32Speaker 2: the Bonzai tree, or giants like those redwoods out on
- 1:35Speaker 2: the West coast. Throughout our history, trees have played a
- 1:39Speaker 2: significant role in our cultures and our religions, and it's
- 1:44Speaker 2: not surprising why from a practical perspective, a hell of
- 1:49Speaker 2: a lot of trees give us some sort of food,
- 1:51Speaker 2: and to break that down further, a lot of those
- 1:54Speaker 2: food sources like apples. We're probably one hell of a
- 1:56Speaker 2: seasonal here today, gone tomorrow type of tree for us,
- 2:00Speaker 2: just like they are for deer. Trees are also a
- 2:03Speaker 2: great place to take refuge, you know, and when something
- 2:06Speaker 2: big and toothy is considering you for breakfast, as long
- 2:09Speaker 2: as that's something that's big and toothy, is an also
- 2:11Speaker 2: adept at climbing trees. Trees are pretty good at showing
- 2:14Speaker 2: you where there's water in the ground or water flowing
- 2:17Speaker 2: above the ground too. It's not hard to imagine crossing
- 2:21Speaker 2: the prairies, you know, a couple hundred years ago anyway,
- 2:24Speaker 2: and being awfully parched, only to spot a sparse line
- 2:28Speaker 2: of cottonwoods in the distance. To you and I, that
- 2:32Speaker 2: might mean a good place to go look for some deer.
- 2:34Speaker 2: To someone making a foray into new territory, that might
- 2:38Speaker 2: mean the difference between life and death. This is practically
- 2:42Speaker 2: true and also something that has been true for a
- 2:45Speaker 2: long long time. Many mythologies contain trees to which people
- 2:50Speaker 2: of that time attach sacred meaning. Deciduous trees, for example,
- 2:55Speaker 2: seem to die in the winter along with most plants,
- 2:58Speaker 2: but not some conifers. Greens, being well ever, green, don't
- 3:03Speaker 2: show the same life and death cycle and have long
- 3:05Speaker 2: been associated with the eternal or immortality, or is the
- 3:09Speaker 2: case in many cultures fertility. We have a weird affinity
- 3:13Speaker 2: toward trees, but maybe it's not that weird.
- 3:16Speaker 3: As a species.
- 3:17Speaker 2: We've used them for our benefit for a long time,
- 3:19Speaker 2: and today, when you drive through a lot of places
- 3:21Speaker 2: that are dominated by grassland and egg you'll still see
- 3:24Speaker 2: carefully sculpted groves of trees around homesteads. We like the
- 3:28Speaker 2: privacy trees offer, and the wind break benefits, and the shade,
- 3:33Speaker 2: and well a lot of.
- 3:34Speaker 3: Stuff about them.
- 3:36Speaker 2: As whitetail hunters, we think about trees a lot, but
- 3:39Speaker 2: often only in one specific direction. What kind of food
- 3:42Speaker 2: will they produce for deer? And what does that mean
- 3:45Speaker 2: to our hunting strategy? Where are the white oaks or
- 3:48Speaker 2: the persimon trees? We plant trees for the deer specifically,
- 3:52Speaker 2: and I'll tell you that one of the first things
- 3:54Speaker 2: I did, oh I've done every time I've bought deer ground,
- 3:57Speaker 2: I guess, is to go out and plant some apple trees.
- 4:00Speaker 2: Have yet to kill a single deer from that effort,
- 4:02Speaker 2: but I really like having apple trees around anyway.
- 4:05Speaker 3: We think about trees as betting cover too.
- 4:07Speaker 2: It's pretty hard to deny that old growth, big canopy
- 4:10Speaker 2: trees don't really allow for much understory, which means that
- 4:13Speaker 2: they might be passed through spots in most places, but
- 4:16Speaker 2: aren't likely to host a bunch of sleepy bucks in
- 4:18Speaker 2: any given day. But a four year old clearcut that's
- 4:21Speaker 2: full of saplings, that's a different story, And there's food
- 4:25Speaker 2: in there too, but the cover provides a huge advantage
- 4:28Speaker 2: to pray animals looking to take a snooze in safety.
- 4:31Speaker 2: When you think about deer hunting, at least scouting deer,
- 4:34Speaker 2: you're almost always thinking about trees in a variety of ways.
- 4:38Speaker 2: But what I really want to focus on here is
- 4:39Speaker 2: the reality of setting up in trees and how to
- 4:42Speaker 2: think about that, because that's a skill that seems pretty easy,
- 4:45Speaker 2: but it's often not. And the reason it's not is
- 4:48Speaker 2: because we usually default to a good stand tree and
- 4:52Speaker 2: sacrifice something in the process. So what makes a good
- 4:55Speaker 2: stand tree to most people, Well, it should be perfectly
- 4:59Speaker 2: straight trunk wise and have almost no branches below the
- 5:02Speaker 2: preferred stand height. With this kind of tree, you have
- 5:05Speaker 2: to do minimum amount of work to set it up.
- 5:08Speaker 2: It can accommodate a saddle or a hang on. It
- 5:10Speaker 2: can work just fine with a double ladder stand doesn't matter.
- 5:13Speaker 2: This type of tree is easy, and because of that,
- 5:15Speaker 2: it's the kind we look for the most.
- 5:18Speaker 3: But easy isn't always the best route.
- 5:20Speaker 2: And while it's always nice to find a good tree
- 5:23Speaker 2: in a spot you really want to hunt, that kind
- 5:25Speaker 2: of tree can cause you problems.
- 5:27Speaker 3: I deal with this a lot.
- 5:28Speaker 2: In some of the public land I hunt in northern Wisconsin,
- 5:32Speaker 2: there are some trees there, due mostly to the forestry
- 5:35Speaker 2: practices that are just ideal for.
- 5:37Speaker 3: Any type of setup.
- 5:39Speaker 2: In fact, that's one of the places I still occasionally
- 5:41Speaker 2: use a climber stand, just because the trees are so
- 5:44Speaker 2: conducive to it. But I also get busted a lot
- 5:47Speaker 2: over there. There's nothing to break up my outline. And
- 5:50Speaker 2: I know this is crazy, but when there are scattered
- 5:53Speaker 2: trees like that throughout the woods, I feel like the
- 5:55Speaker 2: deer is just quicker to notice a two hundred pound
- 5:57Speaker 2: blob hanging off the side. I almost always have to
- 6:00Speaker 2: set up directly behind the trunk and actively have to
- 6:03Speaker 2: hide myself from the deer. I almost always get busted anyway,
- 6:07Speaker 2: at least in some of those trees. Now, you might
- 6:11Speaker 2: hunt somewhere else that has less pressure or deer that
- 6:14Speaker 2: just don't get hunted as much from stands, and you
- 6:16Speaker 2: might get away with this type of setup all season long.
- 6:19Speaker 3: I do. Out West.
- 6:21Speaker 2: There are a lot of cotton woods out there that
- 6:23Speaker 2: I've killed western white tails from that have very little
- 6:26Speaker 2: cover for me, and it doesn't seem to matter. But
- 6:30Speaker 2: the farther east I go, the rules seem to change.
- 6:33Speaker 2: This is an issue in a lot of places and
- 6:35Speaker 2: can be a real pain in the ass down south
- 6:37Speaker 2: where the hunting pressure is high. So the ideal stand
- 6:40Speaker 2: tree isn't always so ideal after all. But the less
- 6:44Speaker 2: than ideal stand trees also come with a lot of problems.
- 6:48Speaker 2: I like trees that have some branches and some cover
- 6:51Speaker 2: to work with, but not so much that I have
- 6:53Speaker 2: to spend more time sawing limbs than setting up. Now,
- 6:56Speaker 2: of course that's a private land deal. On a lot
- 6:58Speaker 2: of public land, that's a no go oh, So you
- 7:00Speaker 2: have to write off multi limb trees right from the jump.
- 7:04Speaker 2: This is tough in a lot of situations, but a
- 7:07Speaker 2: real pain in the ass where you're primarily working with
- 7:09Speaker 2: some types of pine trees. Now, some of the pine
- 7:12Speaker 2: tree plantations will offer up a million pine trees that
- 7:14Speaker 2: are all perfect for stands, but they usually offer the
- 7:17Speaker 2: deer very little. But a lot of pines are different,
- 7:20Speaker 2: and some of them are amazing for stands. Some will
- 7:24Speaker 2: have a band of limbs at intervals, and in between
- 7:27Speaker 2: those you'll have a nice section of bear trunk to
- 7:29Speaker 2: work with, which is ideal, not only do you have
- 7:32Speaker 2: some limbs to work with on your way up, but
- 7:34Speaker 2: you also have cover above and below you that's going
- 7:37Speaker 2: to stick around all season long, dream scenario stuff. The
- 7:41Speaker 2: downside of this is if you set up in pine
- 7:43Speaker 2: trees at all and have done any level of tripping,
- 7:46Speaker 2: you know what the SAP situation can be.
- 7:48Speaker 3: Like.
- 7:48Speaker 2: I run into this a lot in my neck of
- 7:50Speaker 2: the woods because pine trees often offer the best cover,
- 7:54Speaker 2: and they often exist in places where there are like
- 7:56Speaker 2: little grassland, meadows and general staging area type of habitat.
- 8:01Speaker 2: But dealing with that SAP can really suck, and that's
- 8:04Speaker 2: just the nature of the beast.
- 8:06Speaker 3: I haven't figured out a good way to.
- 8:07Speaker 2: Combat that yet, so sometimes I just resigned myself to it.
- 8:11Speaker 2: Resigning yourself to certain trees is the name of the game. Honestly.
- 8:15Speaker 2: If you watched the Rough Cuts episode I shot with
- 8:18Speaker 2: Steve in Oklahoma a few years ago, you'll see me
- 8:20Speaker 2: set up right in the beginning of the show on
- 8:23Speaker 2: a pond that has a bunch of per Simon trees
- 8:25Speaker 2: around it. Those trees were tiny, but it was the
- 8:28Speaker 2: best we could do in that setup. In fact, those
- 8:32Speaker 2: trees were so small I had to saddle up in
- 8:34Speaker 2: one and put my cameramen in a saddle in a
- 8:36Speaker 2: different one. Two people in any one of those trees,
- 8:39Speaker 2: especially as wendy as it was, would have been a
- 8:41Speaker 2: recipe for disaster.
- 8:54Speaker 3: Sometimes you just have to.
- 8:55Speaker 2: Make a small, not ideal tree work and then cross
- 8:58Speaker 2: your fingers that the first tear to come in is
- 9:00Speaker 2: the one you want to shoot, because it's a high
- 9:02Speaker 2: odds proposition that you'll get caught. But you can also
- 9:06Speaker 2: hunt areas bucks love if you're open to small trees,
- 9:10Speaker 2: and some of the cattail bucks in prairie pothole bucks
- 9:12Speaker 2: and bucks that just don't have big groves of trees
- 9:15Speaker 2: as an option, can be killed in tiny trees while
- 9:19Speaker 2: you're only slightly above their eye line. In fact, I
- 9:22Speaker 2: think a setup, you know, whether you're talking a saddle
- 9:25Speaker 2: or a small hang on, that is conducive to tiny
- 9:28Speaker 2: trees is one of the best things you can own
- 9:31Speaker 2: if you want to kill big bucks. The options for
- 9:34Speaker 2: where you can hunt just expand exponentially with one setup
- 9:37Speaker 2: like this, and you sure can learn a lot. Being
- 9:40Speaker 2: eight feet up and overlooking a swamp or a slew
- 9:43Speaker 2: where most hunters won't enter and certainly won't spend time
- 9:46Speaker 2: observing from any level of an aerial position. The other
- 9:50Speaker 2: side of the coin are the big trees that aren't
- 9:52Speaker 2: all that easy to set up in either. If you
- 9:55Speaker 2: check out the show that just dropped of my twenty
- 9:57Speaker 2: twenty four North Dakota hunt, you'll see me with on
- 10:00Speaker 2: a really good deer. The tree that I shot at
- 10:03Speaker 2: that deer from was in the right spot, but it
- 10:06Speaker 2: was way too big for the straps on my climbing sticks.
- 10:09Speaker 2: My camera man who's a good hunter, and I had
- 10:13Speaker 2: to get creative there because we did have extra straps
- 10:16Speaker 2: and we didn't need all of the sticks I brought
- 10:18Speaker 2: to get to stand height. So that perfect spot with
- 10:22Speaker 2: the two big tree suddenly became huntable by doubling down
- 10:25Speaker 2: on our straps. Look, it's not ideal, and I have
- 10:28Speaker 2: to say this if you ever go this route or
- 10:31Speaker 2: even consider it, think about your safety First. Gravity is undefeated,
- 10:35Speaker 2: and if you're not one hundred percent sure you can
- 10:37Speaker 2: pull it off safely, keep looking for a better tree.
- 10:40Speaker 3: Now, there are a.
- 10:41Speaker 2: Lot of other considerations when you're eyeballing trees to decide
- 10:44Speaker 2: if you can set up in them. To me, the
- 10:47Speaker 2: most important is having about four to six feet of
- 10:49Speaker 2: straight trunk to work with at some height where I
- 10:52Speaker 2: think I won't get busted.
- 10:54Speaker 3: That's it.
- 10:55Speaker 2: That's my criteria most of the time, and it's often
- 10:58Speaker 2: very difficult to find. But if you set up enough
- 11:02Speaker 2: stands or spend enough time mobile hunting, you start to
- 11:05Speaker 2: develop an eye for this sort of thing, and when
- 11:07Speaker 2: you do, you'll kill more big bucks. This is because
- 11:11Speaker 2: it'll allow you to work more spots better instead of
- 11:14Speaker 2: finding the right tree and then hoping the spot is
- 11:16Speaker 2: good enough. That was the downfall of the climbing stand thing.
- 11:20Speaker 2: For the most part, in my opinion. Aside from very
- 11:23Speaker 2: specific situations, you mostly spent time looking for a tree
- 11:27Speaker 2: that would work instead of scouting sign and set up
- 11:29Speaker 2: where the deer want to be. But even the best
- 11:32Speaker 2: mobile setups won't always work, which is why you have
- 11:35Speaker 2: to look at a tree and decide how to get
- 11:36Speaker 2: in it where your stand or saddle platform will go,
- 11:40Speaker 2: and then keep an open mind. I generally try to
- 11:43Speaker 2: climb up the backside of the tree, or to put
- 11:45Speaker 2: it a different way, decide I don't expect a deer
- 11:48Speaker 2: to come from when I get to the spot where
- 11:50Speaker 2: I intend to actually set up. I try to face
- 11:53Speaker 2: my stand almost entirely away from the likeliest approach position,
- 11:57Speaker 2: but still give myself like maybe twenty five degree ease
- 12:00Speaker 2: in their direction, so that as a right handed shooter,
- 12:03Speaker 2: I can either stay seated and shoot around the trunk,
- 12:06Speaker 2: or I can stand up and shoot around it, all
- 12:08Speaker 2: while keeping that tree trunk in between me and the deer.
- 12:12Speaker 2: I do this almost as a rule no matter where
- 12:14Speaker 2: I'm hunting, even on field edges where the poll to
- 12:17Speaker 2: set up facing right out toward the groceries is high.
- 12:20Speaker 2: This is something that provides an advantage in the moment
- 12:23Speaker 2: of truth when you have deer close, which seems obvious,
- 12:26Speaker 2: but it's also a hedge for future hunts. The less
- 12:29Speaker 2: I get busted in a tree, the better. So if
- 12:33Speaker 2: a bunch of dos come out and they are cagy,
- 12:35Speaker 2: I have a better chance of not blowing out the field.
- 12:37Speaker 2: If they have to look through the tree trunk to
- 12:39Speaker 2: see most of me, they can't do it, and that
- 12:41Speaker 2: helps preserve natural movement in my spots. This is almost
- 12:46Speaker 2: the opposite of the typical ladder stand strategy. I also
- 12:50Speaker 2: like having some cover to break up my outline, which
- 12:53Speaker 2: again is a no brainer but what does that really mean. Well,
- 12:57Speaker 2: any cover around your setup that can break up your
- 13:00Speaker 2: line is good cover, but a lot of it doesn't
- 13:02Speaker 2: really matter. What I really like is cover at my
- 13:05Speaker 2: exact level that extends behind me if possible. We tend
- 13:10Speaker 2: to think that leafy limbs in front of us are
- 13:12Speaker 2: the answer, and they can help for sure, but having
- 13:15Speaker 2: some good stuff behind you is huge. It'll break up
- 13:18Speaker 2: your outline and allow you to get away with more movement,
- 13:21Speaker 2: especially if you're dealing with a little bit of wind.
- 13:24Speaker 2: You want the deer to be able to look up
- 13:26Speaker 2: at you and just not recognize a human shape.
- 13:28Speaker 3: Honestly, it's that simple.
- 13:31Speaker 2: A good way to think about this is that forty
- 13:33Speaker 2: years ago you could just get into a tree and
- 13:35Speaker 2: that was enough.
- 13:36Speaker 3: Most of the time.
- 13:37Speaker 2: The deer just weren't as conditioned to look up for danger,
- 13:40Speaker 2: But in so many places that we hunt them at,
- 13:43Speaker 2: they just are. Now you still have to hide from
- 13:46Speaker 2: them somehow, even if you're seventeen or eighteen feet up.
- 13:49Speaker 3: Well, you don't have to, but you'll be better off
- 13:52Speaker 3: if you do.
- 13:53Speaker 2: The caveat here is that sometimes you just have to
- 13:55Speaker 2: hunt what the land will give you, and at least
- 13:57Speaker 2: when you do, you generally have the element of surprise.
- 14:00Speaker 2: I can't prove this, but it sure feels like in
- 14:02Speaker 2: some types of cover deer ore prone to looking up,
- 14:05Speaker 2: while in other areas they just aren't. It makes sense
- 14:08Speaker 2: in my head anyway, because when they're in the woods,
- 14:11Speaker 2: they're in an area where if they encounter a human hunter,
- 14:14Speaker 2: he's very likely to be in a tree. But in
- 14:17Speaker 2: that marshland or swamp land, it's a different story. It's
- 14:21Speaker 2: also true that being in an elevated position just gives
- 14:24Speaker 2: you enough advantages that it's worth trying, even if the
- 14:27Speaker 2: setup is really rough and it feels like you're not
- 14:29Speaker 2: going to get away with it. You only need them
- 14:32Speaker 2: to slip up once. And I'm a huge believer that
- 14:35Speaker 2: trying stuff that has low odds but is in a
- 14:38Speaker 2: high odd spot that's almost always worth it. We often don't, though,
- 14:43Speaker 2: and that's why we default to our favorite ladder stands
- 14:45Speaker 2: and box blinds and the usual suspects. But learning to
- 14:49Speaker 2: make the available trees work is a huge advantage, and
- 14:52Speaker 2: you can do it on your home farm where you
- 14:54Speaker 2: really feel like you already have very little reason to
- 14:57Speaker 2: color outside the lines in this way. In fact, I
- 15:00Speaker 2: think some of these situations where we have our go
- 15:02Speaker 2: to year over year setups, they're some of the best
- 15:05Speaker 2: ones for us to try to read some new trees
- 15:08Speaker 2: in new spots and see what we can do with
- 15:10Speaker 2: them to show the deer we are in as one dimensional.
- 15:12Speaker 3: As they think.
- 15:14Speaker 2: I know it's not as exciting as talking about snort
- 15:16Speaker 2: wheezing in pre rut bucks, but learning how to look
- 15:19Speaker 2: at the trees in your region and figure out how
- 15:22Speaker 2: to hunt them where you want to hunt is a
- 15:25Speaker 2: skill that is so useful, and since it is a skill,
- 15:29Speaker 2: it takes practice. Think about this when you're starting to
- 15:32Speaker 2: get the itch this summer to scout or to go
- 15:34Speaker 2: out and hang some stands. Do you have a random
- 15:37Speaker 2: pond that you always wanted to hunt on your lease,
- 15:39Speaker 2: but you think the trees around it are too small.
- 15:42Speaker 2: Maybe you got a fence lign with some scrubby trees
- 15:44Speaker 2: that the bucks always run. Maybe you have one of
- 15:46Speaker 2: those monster trees that survive the axes and chainsaws for
- 15:50Speaker 2: whatever reason, just sits in the middle of the field,
- 15:52Speaker 2: but every time you hunt on the other edge, the
- 15:55Speaker 2: deer just walk by it and feed under it and
- 15:57Speaker 2: generally mill around it. Take a closer life, consider what
- 16:01Speaker 2: options you might have to set up there. You know,
- 16:04Speaker 2: maybe it's not an easy ladderstand type of setup, but
- 16:07Speaker 2: maybe you could get a hang on in there with
- 16:08Speaker 2: a little ingenuity. And if you do, you can almost
- 16:11Speaker 2: always bet the bucks won't have a clue you're there
- 16:14Speaker 2: the first time they show up when you're hunting them.
- 16:17Speaker 2: At least give it some thought and come back next
- 16:19Speaker 2: week because I'm going to talk about summer ranges and
- 16:21Speaker 2: fall ranges and buck excursions and all the movement they
- 16:25Speaker 2: do and what it means to you as you're scouting
- 16:28Speaker 2: this time of year. That's it for this week. I'm
- 16:31Speaker 2: Tony Peterson. This has been the Wire to Hunt Foundations podcast,
- 16:35Speaker 2: which is brought to you by First Light. As always,
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