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MELANIA APPARENTLY GOES ROGUE AND WE'RE WONDERING--WHY NOW? · 2 Men In Black and White: An Honest Conversation

• MARK HAYES (00:01.408) Alright ladies and gentlemen welcome back another exciting edition of two men in black and white and honest conversation. Mark Hayes here with you and wow we've got all kinds of crazy coming out of the White House more insane social media posts from your boy Donald Trump. This guy is just fucking rocker bless you and we we Brock Ganeles (00:26.42) Thank you. MARK HAYES (00:28.952) You know, there are now some quiet calls for the 25th Amendment, but nobody's making the noise that needs to be made. We've got to get the DC gum up the works and shut that shit down. That's the only way it's going to work. In the meantime, Melania has come out front and center and thrown herself on the sword. And we wonder why. Brock and Ellis is here with me from the lovely confines of the Upper Hudson River Valley, just outside New York City. Brock! Why in the world is Melania weighing in on anything? Because she knows nothing. that's right. She was here on a genius visa. The Einstein visa. Brock Ganeles (01:12.187) I find the Melania coming out and making that statement in front of like the presidential seal. was like she came out, like she was doing a presidential speech. MARK HAYES (01:20.844) He's a cabinet member! Brock Ganeles (01:23.304) and First of all, she lied. You know, the whole thing was a pack of lies. So the content of the comments were just, you know, a totally farcical, like we were looking at the pictures of you kissing Epstein and hugging him at parties. And you're saying that like, you don't have a connection to him, barely know the guy, right? So that just the content itself was so farcical, typical gaslighting. But MARK HAYES (01:29.762) Thank MARK HAYES (01:47.704) Right. Brock Ganeles (01:54.567) It's almost like she's a stealth QAnon agent or she's like a double agent playing for the left because she brought the Epstein-Files controversy back to the front pages and the top story when it had gotten buried for about 40 days because of the Iran war. Everything about the Iran war has gone wrong for the American national interests. But for Trump's personal interest, MARK HAYES (02:09.941) Uh-huh. MARK HAYES (02:13.773) Yeah. Brock Ganeles (02:23.676) he succeeded on that one topic, which is he did push the Epstein files off the headlines basically to page 26, know, column four, you know, in the back of the newspaper. And it was getting no eyeballs online because all I wanted to talk about was the war. So he had succeeded in wagging the dog and Melania comes out randomly with no warning. MARK HAYES (02:30.008) Yeah. Brock Ganeles (02:51.474) No, no one even apparently no one had a heads up. Apparently Trump didn't even know she was doing it. According to his comments to a reporter, Jackie Allen. So I can't find an answer for why she did it. I just can't figure out what her goal was. What was she trying to accomplish? Truly distance herself from Epstein just today. She just picked a random day. MARK HAYES (03:01.176) He he he he. Brock Ganeles (03:18.448) and said, I'm going to lie about my connections to Epstein and see if this works or does she have insider knowledge we don't know about that she's trying to get ahead of Mark? What do you think? I can't answer it. I'm throwing it back to you. What do you think the possible motivation was? MARK HAYES (03:36.366) You know, she's saying it needs to end now. Like these conspiracy theories about her and Jeffrey Epstein. And she says that this is a mean-spirited attempt to defame her reputation. What reputation does she speak of, Brock? Her reputation was already in tatters. after she stole a couple of speeches from Michelle Obama. I mean, after she lied to get her visa, after she came over here as a sex worker, after Jeffrey Epstein defiled her before Donald Trump did. Like what is her purpose? mean, you know, she did what she needed to do, right? To get on easy streets. She had a baby by a guy who... Well, now has a lot of money. He didn't have a lot of money before. He's got a lot of money now that he's been looting the American government coffers. Lisa Phillips, one of the Epstein survivors said that this was a bold move on Melania's part. Maybe Melania was a victim, doesn't want to share it, but would like to see something happen to those who perpetrated the crimes against her and others. I mean, know, Melania is much younger than Trump. She could have been one of these people that were circulated in this massive. Should we remind the people at home that this was massive? This pedophile sex ring, this, this sec, this human trafficking ring of powerful men. had the princes, presidents, and even paupers. Everybody. Brock Ganeles (05:28.945) and when MARK HAYES (05:30.531) Go ahead. Brock Ganeles (05:31.583) and what appears to be like an international espionage effort as well. It appears that Israel was gathering, Russia's got a plan on Compromont. So there was a lot of money flowing, information flowing, and a lot of influential people put in a really bad spot so that they could be easy to be manipulated. But that's the interesting theory out of Malani that perhaps she does want to see some retribution. MARK HAYES (05:35.616) Yes! Yes! Brock Ganeles (05:59.199) because she does see herself as a victim, although we've never heard her express that. Maybe the online commentary has gotten under her skin and she's trying to, you know, distance herself in a way so that she's not viewed as one of the perpetrators, but more as someone who was hurt by this versus someone who, you know, she's been positioned as someone who's been advantaged by it. MARK HAYES (06:05.262) Yeah. MARK HAYES (06:28.546) right. Brock Ganeles (06:28.702) because, know, whatever. Like you said, she married Trump, she married into wealth, she got her parents over here, she had a kid, she's going to marry a citizen. She's lived a very comfortable and privileged life in America. You know, so I mean, I guess this is one of those there's more to the story and probably and it'll likely unfold or there's less to the story. And it was just Melania out there whining to these nameless faceless MARK HAYES (06:38.529) No doubt. Brock Ganeles (06:58.872) evil online trolls that she has. And it's just going to come and go. And we're not going to give a shit about this come tomorrow. But the loser, the loser in this entire scenario is Donald Trump because now he has to get, he's got to get the lid back on that can cause she opened it up and he had it under wraps for 40 days. MARK HAYES (07:09.516) Right? Right? MARK HAYES (07:17.602) She will muscle any. Brock Ganeles (07:26.686) And here she's not looking and here she does and comes along and opens up the can of worms. MARK HAYES (07:32.684) Well, remember their relationship has been on the rocks for a long time, ever since the sexual predator attacks and credible accusations came out. You know, we heard that she was not even staying at the White House. She was somewhere in Potomac. He was in New York. You know, look, what like who could be in a relationship with Donald Trump anyway, especially now? I the guy is totally off his rocker now, but he was a loony tune anyway. Remember when he was talking about grabbing women by the by the pussy. So. Brock Ganeles (08:02.654) Maybe she just hates him. Maybe she just hates him. And this was her chance to like, know, like, a knife in his back. Maybe he did something to Asinine yet again for probably millionth time. And she was like, fuck it, I'm to go out there and like throw a little gasoline on that fire so that his fucking, you know, ass can deal with shit. Speaking of, I'm going to segue here. Speaking of... MARK HAYES (08:06.85) That could be it. to sneak it in. Yeah. MARK HAYES (08:25.248) Yeah? I-I- Brock Ganeles (08:30.408) people who've opened can of worms and Trump's now trying to open a can of whoop ass against, but we do have a MAGA skirmish slash civil war going on. Civil war of words, let's call it, between some of the biggest names in MAGA world and Trump. Are there now enemies? Is MAGA big enough to hold? MARK HAYES (08:33.486) Thank you. MARK HAYES (08:42.89) Nice! MARK HAYES (08:46.998) Mm-hmm. MARK HAYES (08:59.286) Yeah! Brock Ganeles (09:00.398) under its small tent both Trump and Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, Megyn Kelly and MTG. Can they go can they all fit under the small tent or somebody's got to get kicked out? MARK HAYES (09:14.99) No, someone's got to go because this is where the, you know, the, the, the, this is where the carnage starts, right? They're, eating each other from the inside, right? How, how many factions of that 30 % are you going to split it into? You just rattled off five names right there. So we've got 6 % for Trump, 6 % for Kelly. 6 % for Alex Jones, 6 % for Tucker Carl's. Like, you know, who is your Maggot King? You know? Brock Ganeles (09:52.659) that they're big names. I he hasn't even gone after like a Nick Fuentes yet or some of the, even Joe Rogan, right? Who've also kind of peeled away from him. So. MARK HAYES (09:57.006) The show. MARK HAYES (10:04.557) Yep. Brock Ganeles (10:08.19) don't, how can you, okay, now you're MAGA, you're rank and file MAGA moron in like fucking Mississippi and you listen to Tucker Carlson every night and Alex Jones every afternoon and you watch Megyn Kelly online, like that's your posse and a little Fox News sprinkled in, right? That's how you spend your time and that you're absorbing all your information. Cause these people have very big viewerships. Okay. MARK HAYES (10:16.334) Mm-hmm. MARK HAYES (10:28.056) Right. MARK HAYES (10:34.656) Yes, huge! Brock Ganeles (10:35.654) So how can you still be an avid follower and listener of those personalities and still be supporting Trump when their drum beat is that basically he's a fucking moron, demented, lost. MARK HAYES (10:54.028) Yeah, you can. Yeah. Defeated, Veronica. Brock Ganeles (10:55.004) defeated, defeated. don't know. guys can go on. How do you hold those two things in your head? MARK HAYES (11:01.546) maniacal nut job. I mean, you cannot reconcile that. I don't care what kind of mental gymnastics you engage in. There is no way for you to be able to sit and say, yeah, Megyn Kelly might have a point, but I'm still rocking with Donald Trump. Megyn Kelly is out there, Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, they are dogging this war. They are like, this war makes no sense. We have no business over there. spending a billion dollars a day. Brock, what could we have bought with a billion dollars a day in the United States over the last 40 days? That's 40 billion. Maybe we could pay for child care in the U.S. Maybe we could have health care subsidies. Brock Ganeles (11:38.014) my god. Brock Ganeles (11:47.282) Healthcare. healthcare, rural hospitals, maybe would still be open. Yeah. MARK HAYES (11:51.149) rural hospitals might be staying open, right? You think $100 million wouldn't keep a rural hospital open? In one state, you might be able to keep five or six open with an infusion of $20 million for five hospitals in Iowa or Nebraska. Maybe you don't have to drive four hours and die on your way to the hospital. Yeah, I mean, I don't understand how they think this is going to work. But then again, Donald Trump doesn't care because he thinks he's got everything planned out to where he doesn't need any votes, right? He's just going to do what he wants to do, then steal the election and keep doing what he wants to do. Brock Ganeles (12:33.278) Do you think this is going to play out like a Musk thing where Musk was really critical of Trump and then he kind of like tempered down and went back backpedaled? But he's a businessman. These guys, Carlson, Kelly, they're you know, yeah, they live off of their audience. They eyeballs like they're just talking heads. So can they just turn tail? I Alex Jones has gone so far to use like Dominic language and MARK HAYES (12:45.166) Those folks aren't sitting far. Brock Ganeles (12:59.388) the devil inside of Trump and he's called them just dementia ridden and too far gone. I don't see how Alex Yelins can walk back from that. know, Tucker Carlson maybe has played it a little more political, but if that's the case, then. MARK HAYES (12:59.758) I'm MARK HAYES (13:05.368) Yeah? No. Brock Ganeles (13:17.916) then I mean this, mean, it's been the beginning of the end of MAGA for a while. And the question is how long does it take for MAGA to fizzle itself out? And our worry, right, is it's going to take too long and America is going to be destroyed by the time MAGA is destroyed. And then there's just nothing left for anybody. MARK HAYES (13:26.305) Right. MARK HAYES (13:37.997) Well, we know by the CIA audit, the CIA officer that came out just a couple of weekends ago and said that there was no way Donald Trump won any of the swing states. We know Kamala won bigly. But it doesn't matter, right? Because they are, they are actively disenfranchising tens of millions of Americans and taking their votes and throwing them literally in the shitter. And they're doing it at the best about Vladimir Putin, Bibi Netanyahu, and a bunch of other rotten fucking scoundrel leaders around the globe. And this is what these leaders want. They want America in the con. Vladimir Putin wants America to eat itself from the inside out. All right, he wants to be the premier super. China wants the same thing. know, is winning every which way, but... When it comes to green energy, China's kicking everybody's ass because everybody wants it except for the country that's going backwards. Right? And who's providing it? China. China is. Brock Ganeles (14:48.36) Mm-hmm. Brock Ganeles (14:53.756) Hey, China appears like a more stable partner in the world than we do right now. So they're going to. Yeah, they're going to cut more deals at more favorable terms to them. And China is going to be both enriched and more powerful because they more money coming in and they'll allocate more money to defense and they'll start building more and more advanced weaponry. MARK HAYES (14:58.742) Right. Right? the world just moved on without us. Brock Ganeles (15:22.546) to close the gap on us. I mean, we don't have the greatest military for any reason except that we have the greatest economy and could put the most money towards and have for decades allocated more and more of our GDP in our budgets to military. But China starts doing that because they're a wealthier country. They're going to close the gap pretty quickly. MARK HAYES (15:24.588) Yep. And we'll be... MARK HAYES (15:43.265) Right. Brock Ganeles (15:48.558) and we will not be the superpower of the world. We will be a co-equal. MARK HAYES (15:55.405) Which sucks. Which sucks because we haven't known anything else in our lifetime. World War II, right? America was the leader, the defender of democracy, right? We were running around the world for the past 75 years playing cop, saying, hey, follow our lead. We're the shining star on the hill. This is what democracy looks like. and how it should work. And now what we've done is we've let the dumbest among us, know, loot us, not govern, loot us for their own personal gain at the consequence of degrading our moral fiber. What little moral fiber we had left is now gone, Brock, right? and it's all rooted in one thing. It's your damn racism. It's all rooted in racism. Brock Ganeles (17:03.666) That's at the heart of it. mean, in the white supremacy is now has the power has been given to so many white supremacists that the direction they're taking the country is almost like even like almost like I'm even gonna say shocking in some respects. When I heard about the story that we as the representatives of America, the American government, we're threatening the pope. MARK HAYES (17:23.662) Thank Brock Ganeles (17:34.525) I we're all, thought I was past being shocked by anything. I thought I was past being shocked by anything. I'm like, that's what our representatives, that's what America's outdoing in the world are crazy, Christo fascist white nationalists here in America. Now they're pointing their aim at the Catholics. So now we even have like a infighting on a religious infighting, even amongst all the white people. You know, I'm not that religious and I'm Jewish, so don't really, you know, I'm no theologian. Someone could come on the chat and explain some shit to me. But we got our Christo-fascists threatening the Catholics. Explain. Maybe you can explain it to me, Mark. MARK HAYES (18:03.074) Right? MARK HAYES (18:15.512) Brock, first, I got nothing. But we're going to threaten the first American pope? Are you fucking kidding me? And Brock, who's going to push the button on that one? Who's going to pull the trigger on the pope when he's floating around in the Vatican in his bubble? Who's going to fire on the pope? Brock Ganeles (18:20.05) Ha ha. MARK HAYES (18:44.822) I can't imagine how the pilots of the Enola Gay slept after they dropped the bomb, right? I mean, that's, I mean, come on now. We talking apples to apples here. my, you killed the Pope and man, can only, you can only end up in hell. There is no two ways about it. Brock Ganeles (18:59.218) Okay. Brock Ganeles (19:05.192) So we sent some representatives went to the Vatican and they kind of said, tell the Pope to what? Pipe down with his version of Jesus, his peace loving version of Jesus needs to quiet, shut the fuck up with that New Testament shit that he's spewing. Like we're fighting wars over here. We got big guns. Tell that Pope to shut the fuck up or. MARK HAYES (19:16.116) Yeah. Brock Ganeles (19:29.17) things might not go so well for him. Right. Yeah. Or else that was, that was the messaging from the American government, which once again, by the way, that's us. That's our message to the world. We're American citizens. Those are the people that are representing us out there in the world, delivering that message to the Pope. I mean, what is MAGA holding onto? Right. I get that sliver. You got that. MARK HAYES (19:30.343) yeah. MARK HAYES (19:38.881) Right. MARK HAYES (19:46.423) Yeah. Sad. Brock Ganeles (19:55.837) you know, whatever that wing of Christianity that I guess doesn't even like Catholics because they think that the Jesus is a pussy, right? And, and they're warmongers and their, their version of God is like a war loving God, I guess, or they're ordained by God to fight, fight wars. And yeah, I mean, talk about America in decline. MARK HAYES (20:16.045) Yeah. MARK HAYES (20:20.492) Whoa, mean, we are going backwards faster than we really imagine. You know, about it. I saw diesel prices up in the high fives in Georgia. In Georgia. know, truck drivers don't make great money as it is. And now, you know, these independent drivers, it's cutting into their profit. That's cutting into what they bring home. Brock Ganeles (20:47.625) they're screwed. MARK HAYES (20:48.116) That's why you don't see a lot of independent drivers anymore. Everybody wants to drive for these big companies now because the companies have squeezed them out. The cost of doing business, the cost of truck repairs, the cost of equipment, the cost of replacing tires, it makes it not worth it. You gotta run so much to make a profit. You're never home. What kind of life can you have? You know, we're the only country, we're the only industrialized country that thinks working your workforce into the dirt is the best way to go, right? The best way to get something out of them, make them be the most productive is by driving them into the dirt with your foot on their neck as they gasp for air. Fucking ridiculous. We need, Brock Ganeles (21:43.347) That's our talks of capitalism. Remember, we had drivers were like peeing in buckets in their truck because they didn't have time to like make, you know, restroom stops. But you're seeing UPS and Amazon and like of adding fuel surcharges. And that just that's just higher price to the customer, which is why we had huge inflation numbers today that are unlikely to go down anytime soon. MARK HAYES (21:45.774) Yes, sir! Brock Ganeles (22:08.766) because the energy prices are up and now we're getting all the pass throughs to the customer and therefore we also had record low consumer confidence numbers today record low and a very dour outlook and how could it not be? I that was the least surprising news of the day but it is the lowest that they've ever recorded for this metric Now Americans have usually found a way to spend no matter how negative their outlook. They just go into debt like we never really stopped spending and therefore our economy always keeps growing. But it feels like it's going to be different this time. It feels like the spending is going to flat out slow because people aren't just despondent. They're kind of angry and MARK HAYES (22:36.686) Right. MARK HAYES (22:59.469) Yes! Brock Ganeles (23:02.162) I think there's going to be like an F you given to corporate America, maybe even F you to the government, you know, and we're going to, we're going to get a spending slowdown. And I think conditions are very ripe for that may economic boycott day. I think, I think people are itching, itching to make an economic statement to big business and to the government, which is clearly fucking the little guy right now. Hard. MARK HAYES (23:16.95) Yeah. Yeah. MARK HAYES (23:27.778) I think I saw it in Martin or one of the pods that I watch, they were talking about these high gas prices sticking around until midterms. So it's gonna be an issue, you know, come the fall. And then, you know, down here, we go to the summer blend right around Memorial Day, which adds 50 cents or a dollar to the price. So our prices are going up. Again, in just what? 6-8 weeks. So we're going to see another surge. that's a problem, know, down here in the South, you don't have the wages that you have up in the North, in the Northeast and in other, you know, urban areas. So, you know, there are so many people here just getting by. Brock Ganeles (24:25.726) I know if you think about it, extra couple hundred bucks a month, right? Just in gas. It's like just giving the money away. It's as if you started the month and just lit a couple hundred dollar bills on fire for someone who's only making in the, you know, 30, 40, 50 grand range and has all these other bills like rent, insurance, health care already and food costs already stacking up. It wasn't leaving them much discretionary income to like enjoy their life in any way. Not many nights out. MARK HAYES (24:31.447) Yes! MARK HAYES (24:41.998) Right? MARK HAYES (24:54.755) Bye. Brock Ganeles (24:55.774) Not many movie nights, not many drinking nights. So now you take that extra 200 bucks because it's going in the tank of your car. just means, I mean, I guess we're going to become just a stay at home community because no one's going to be able to afford to go out in leisure time activities anymore. I shouldn't say nobody, just 80 % of the population. MARK HAYES (25:01.378) Nope. MARK HAYES (25:22.592) Right. Brock Ganeles (25:22.878) You know, that 20 % will still do all right, right? But 80 % of the population is just going to be that much more strapped and have to figure out what to give up. Medicine, gotta cut back on food. Like what, what goes? MARK HAYES (25:39.599) You know, Brock, both of us are dealing with elderly parents. I know you know the cost of in-home care, the cost of community care is through the roof, right? The cottage industry that's being perpetrated against the boomers right now is sickening, right? Because the boomers are the ones on fixed incomes that are suffering, that are trying to figure out. Do I put any gas in my car? Do I buy my medicine or do I buy groceries? Right? Not every baby boomer has a six figure pension and stocks, right? That's the upper five, 10 % of those, those baby boomer workers. You know, the rest of us are trying to get by and you and I right on the cusp. we've got retirement coming up soon. You know, we've got to start thinking about this kind of thing. know, no wonder so many people are becoming expats and moving around the world to places where people are happier, living longer, living longer, enjoying life. Brock Ganeles (26:46.695) Yeah, quality of life. Quality of life. living longer and healthier. MARK HAYES (26:55.02) Yes sir. Alright, quick hit me. Brock Ganeles (26:58.687) all right, I got two for you today. One is on, okay, I don't know if this is going under the handle under the heading of just rogue crazy person or a boiling anger simmering in the American public, but somebody threw a Malatow cocktail at the home of the CEO of chat GPT. I mean, Malatow cocktail. MARK HAYES (27:02.349) Okay. MARK HAYES (27:24.471) in. Brock Ganeles (27:26.515) Guy got arrested. haven't heard the whole story. Could be random, but could be just this anger at the data centers, taking all the water, driving up the electricity prices, that anti oligarch sentiment that these fuckers are taking too much and too greedy, killing the jobs and too greedy. So that's my initial read. It's a one-off right now, but let's just as, as Rachel Maddow would say, let's just watch this space. MARK HAYES (27:41.912) Taking the jobs. Yep. MARK HAYES (27:55.38) is space. Brock Ganeles (27:56.53) and see if there is a boiling, you know, simmering anger because people are to get to wit's end and that's when shit happens. And that's why income inequality is dangerous for societies because people who are desperate to do shit. MARK HAYES (28:00.985) Right. MARK HAYES (28:09.912) Yep. MARK HAYES (28:14.198) Right. And think about, mean, Luigi, look at Luigi's motivation, right? Taking out the healthcare CEO. I'm not surprised. Brock, I'm not surprised. You know, there was a scene eerily reminiscent of, you know, the healthcare industry issue in the movie Crash. I don't know if you remember Matt Dillon's character who had a father who was sick. Yes, yeah. Brock Ganeles (28:14.867) Violence shit. Brock Ganeles (28:40.095) It's hot. MARK HAYES (28:43.306) and couldn't get the healthcare, right? Because the lady just had to keep turning him down. He didn't meet this or didn't meet that condition. And, you know, it was a frustration we could all relate to. That's a brilliant movie, by the way, if you haven't seen Crash. And the title Crash basically indicates what we're doing now. We're all crashing into each other, right? We're not talking to each other, but we're... We're crashing in the black community is crashing into the Latino community, Latino community, crashing into the white community, Asian community, crashing. It's a brilliant movie. It's fitting right now, right? The stereotypes that are projected and put forth and the way we feel about each other and each other's communities. Brock Ganeles (29:32.457) Yep. Brock Ganeles (29:40.372) Yeah, there's a lot of people dealing with the stresses of their lives and that boiling anger and how easy it is to boil over. I got one more point. I'll turn it to you. Rumors or word leaking out that Trump has already told his current staff that he will be pardoning them. Now, why would you have to make that statement to your staff unless they were worried you thought MARK HAYES (29:43.864) Yes. Yes. Easy it is. Yep. Brock Ganeles (30:10.291) They were worried that they were doing shit. That's illegal. We're only 16 months in to his 48 months and he's already told them so that they won't quit. literally told them, don't worry about it. Keep doing illegal shit. Keep covering shit up. You're all going to get pardoned. MARK HAYES (30:31.682) Yep. All they do is crime anyway. Brock Ganeles (30:33.183) We're gonna figure out a way around those pardons. That's for damn sure. MARK HAYES (30:37.324) Yeah, well, we got to. he's a, all he, look, all he's been doing is crime and since day one, and he keeps on crime and now he's got more crime or to go along with them. And maybe that gives them the green light to go ham on us as a society. Right? Brock Ganeles (30:55.903) Certainly quite the decision to make 16 months into your, not even a year and a into your four year term. You're already covering everyone's ass. MARK HAYES (31:00.183) Yeah. MARK HAYES (31:04.204) What's lunatic Mark Wayne Mullen thinking about that? The only, the only member of the Senate with a high school fucking diploma and that's it. Hey, but he was an MMA star or whatever fuck he was, you know. Brock Ganeles (31:21.801) Bober what? Did Bober go to college? I don't know about that. the house. you're saying the administration. All right, what do you got for me? What do you got for me? You got some candidates, right? You got candidates. MARK HAYES (31:25.984) Yeah, but she's in the House of Representatives. Yeah. Yeah. I got candidates, but first, it looks like the TLC and Vogue and Salt and Pepper tour is cancelled. Brock Ganeles (31:47.091) Well, I feel bad for salt and pepper and in vogue. MARK HAYES (31:51.235) Why? Why? Because they knew and they still. Brock Ganeles (31:53.149) Anyway... Oh, they all do the thing. Oh, I thought they were blindsided by it. They... Okay, all right. Okay, all right. I don't feel bad. MARK HAYES (32:03.374) No, no, Tia knew. Her label, her group partner knew. And there are rumors that one of the members of Salt and Pepper, Salt, was also a Trumper, I heard that. I hadn't confirmed, but where there's smoke, there's fire. I mean, the list of black celebrities going MAGA is long. Brock Ganeles (32:28.116) Well... MARK HAYES (32:33.854) It's distinguished, it's frustrating, and it again Brock, it is self-serving. It's all self-serving. Brock Ganeles (32:41.033) Tabitha's got something going. Tabitha's gonna keep, she's gonna stay on this. MARK HAYES (32:46.284) Yep. And she should, and she should. Because we've been sold out by the congregation enough. We're the only ethnicity that doesn't stick together. Asian culture together, Jewish culture. How many times does the Jewish dollar circulate before it leaves the Jewish community? Brock Ganeles (32:49.47) Yeah. Brock Ganeles (33:08.819) Very typical. MARK HAYES (33:15.582) It never leaves. Latino community circulates like seven times. The black dollar leaves the community immediately. We're the only ones, the only ones. And now, now we're seeing that again. Brock Ganeles (33:32.884) Yeah. Well, know, the Target Boycott was effective and then now kind of turning it on some celebrities. mean, that's, you know, that's Kanye in this concert within two days. A couple high profile kind of, I mean, that's true getting canceled. So, you know, I think it's proper. I mean, hey, you know, you... MARK HAYES (33:45.325) Yep. MARK HAYES (33:53.612) Yep. Brock Ganeles (33:58.164) You don't automatically get an audience. You don't automatically get fans. You know, they gotta, they gotta want to see you. They will have to want to support you. MARK HAYES (33:59.043) You're such a wuss. You're such a wuss. No! MARK HAYES (34:06.582) Right! Yep. And we got bad news for you, Chilly. The congregation has a long memory when it comes to MAGA and Trumpers, right? And the people she's following, and she's putting out these statements saying that she is not MAGA. Sister girl, you are MAGA. We see the people you're following, the posts that you're liking. Shut up. We're not stupid. You're out here talking about your caramel, right? Your part in, well, go to the reservation and perform. Lots of casinos on the reservations. I bet they'd love to have you. Welcome home. you can't prove it? Brock Ganeles (34:43.229) Maybe not. Yeah, well, they might not be so happy with her either. MARK HAYES (34:49.05) Exactly, exactly. Because do you think the Trump administration gives a damn about Native Americans? we've already heard his position on Native Americans. All right. I told you that was going to happen too, by the way, remember? Also, we got Kamala P. Buttigieg talking about running for president, 2028. The issue is that we couldn't vote for the brown lady. when we saw the head crime in chief headed for the White House. Are we ready for our first husband? I don't know that America is ready for that. What say you? Brock Ganeles (35:40.52) I'm always hopeful that it is. I'm always hopeful that when the pendulum swings back away from MAGA, being woke is going to be going is going to come back to being something people are ultra proud of. So I'm hopeful that in my lifetime we could see either a black female president and or a gay president. So I'm on board. I'm on board with both of them. MARK HAYES (35:54.007) writing. MARK HAYES (36:04.174) Right. Brock Ganeles (36:07.313) It's a little too early for me to be talking about the presidential election. got a lot of work to between here and now. So I'm not really interested in any individuals, political career motives until we take care of job one, which is getting this fucking lunatic out of there. so I hope they stay quiet with that certainly past the midterms and just kind of roll along doing their thing. MARK HAYES (36:21.741) Right. Brock Ganeles (36:33.299) But if it's going to get both of them more vocal, because they're both great communicators out in the media more and be showing more quote leadership in the resistance movement, then I'm all for it. Because I want both of them out there. They're both great speakers. MARK HAYES (36:47.852) Yeah. Right, right. And they both love this country. Pete Buttigieg is one of the smartest people that we've had as a candidate for office in a long, long time. Pete Buttigieg routinely goes on Fox News and shreds all the ridiculous talking points very politely and very succinctly. In plain English, that even the Fox News audience can understand why it doesn't make sense. That's one of his biggest assets is his ability to talk to MAGA and leave them dumbfounded because of the silo that they live in. So, you know, I'm a big fan of both of those candidates. I would hate to see them. I would be as upset. Well, it's happened before they've run against each other before, it reeks of Talarico Crockett. I'd rather see us not split the vote and get behind the one we thought was most likely to win. Brock Ganeles (38:01.235) Yeah, But Newsome and Pritzker are almost definitively gonna be in the mix also, so that's already like four. Shapiro will be in the mix, that gets you at five, so there's gonna be plenty of like white guys in the mix. Although Shapiro being Jewish is also another hurdle, right? Never had a Jewish president either. Yeah. So, yeah, but I want the Democratic Party... I don't want us to just have a bunch of white guys out there. MARK HAYES (38:14.102) Right. Right. MARK HAYES (38:19.0) been another issue. Yeah. Brock Ganeles (38:30.395) non-Jewish white guys out there because we think that's all that can win and therefore it becomes self-selective and we play that whole electability bullshit. So I want them all in the ring. I think they're professional enough not to make it a total shit show where they tear everybody down and hurt the party. So I think they can do it in a way. So I trust all those names I mentioned to do it in a way that is respectful and positive and issue driven. MARK HAYES (38:34.188) Right. MARK HAYES (38:59.212) Bye. Brock Ganeles (38:59.665) I'm OK. I'm OK with them all going ahead. I don't mind if there's 10, 12 people. I don't care if it's fucking 20 people on the stage to start. Right. We need to be talking as Democrats and like we could have a debate every night. Fucking night. And if you get like I said, if it gets more people out there delivering a message and you know what? Maybe maybe one of them will actually come up with a really good unity message and maybe we'll see if America is ready for that. MARK HAYES (39:08.055) Right. MARK HAYES (39:22.894) Wouldn't that be nice? Wouldn't that be nice? Brock Ganeles (39:28.071) I would take a Kamua Buddha judge ticket, by the way. MARK HAYES (39:32.204) Yeah, I love that ticket. Yes. Brock Ganeles (39:34.303) take it in a heartbeat. I'm not from the camp that Kamala needs to go into the sunset. I would welcome Kamala back into another bite at the apple. MARK HAYES (39:45.385) so quickly. So quick, without hesitation. All right, buddy, we're over, we're over time. We're in overtime now. All right, sounds good. Peace. Revolution. We want both. Brock Ganeles (39:52.095) I'll talk to you tomorrow.