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- 0:00As previously mentioned, this is a bit of an abnormal Sunday morning in that we actually won't spend much time in Ephesians chapter 6 or any other particular text.
- 0:14!
- 0:30So, we're going to talk about how it is that God intends for children to be trained, and we're having to apply our thoughts for our culture and draw out then how it is we should best do this thing.
- 0:46So, we'll look, and we'll look at some of the clear commands to parents to train up their children, the fear and admonition of the Lord, and then we'll talk about how and the why of what we're doing here.
- 1:01I'd fit this sermon into a category of sermons that we kind of do periodically, why we do what we do and why we do what we do the way we do what we do, which sounds funny to hear.
- 1:13It's even funnier to type it out, so if you ever are at your computer and you need a laugh, type that sentence, why we do what we do and why we do what we do the way we do what we do.
- 1:24And I think it's timely. There's just times we need to stop and pause and think together about how it is that we arrange ourselves as a church, work within the gray areas of the commands of God for church,
- 1:40put some clear boundaries on what we should do together as a church, but then how do we carry all of it out together.
- 1:49Certainly, our fellowship is odd in a lot of ways, and there are going to be guests amongst us who will come and go, what in the world?
- 1:58And at very least, we need to have these kinds of conversations so that you can say, well, let me explain to you why we do what we do and why we do what we do the way we do what we do.
- 2:11You need to be able, for the sake of guests or those that you might invite to prime them so you become part of the messaging of our church.
- 2:28We also find that some parents in our church may need some help in the process of training children,
- 2:35children, and it certainly could be helpful to have convictions renewed, to again remember the why of it.
- 2:43Oh yeah, it's so good, the why, which fuels us to work on the how of it.
- 2:51Some may need just some practical help, just some things that have been learned across the years
- 2:57as a congregation of having children meet with us in our services together.
- 3:03And I think that some of the non-parents in the room, so I think this time together shouldn't be lost on those without children.
- 3:14It's not just necessarily for you thinking about having children someday,
- 3:19but that you would consider how it is you ought to participate as we work together as a people to raise children.
- 3:29God has saved people, not just you.
- 3:36Certainly I hope that's true of you, that He has in fact saved you.
- 3:41But more than that, the higher thought is that as Jesus hung on the cross and received the wrath of God,
- 3:50He was receiving the wrath of God for the sins of the church.
- 3:54He called out a people for His possession.
- 3:58And therefore, when we come together with the church, we shouldn't be only thinking about our interests.
- 4:06We should be looking instead to the interests of others and considering how it is that we can serve others,
- 4:14preferring them over ourselves.
- 4:18And so there's things I think this morning that need to be said that are going to be beneficial for all of us
- 4:24as we work together to be an intergenerational church.
- 4:30And let me explain why that word, what a word it is.
- 4:36Very often our church gets framed as a family-integrated church.
- 4:41And I shy away from that term, and I hear many of you still use the term family-integrated,
- 4:47which very often simply means kids are in the service.
- 4:51And that's usually how you're using it when you do that.
- 4:53However, I prefer that we not use that term because of what often gets connected with that.
- 5:01In fact, there are many who would suggest that if you do not have children in your main gathering with you,
- 5:07that you're in sin, the church is not doing church as God intended the church to be done.
- 5:13And I will tell you right now that we don't hold that view.
- 5:17We're not looking down our noses at every other church in our area that may have something provided for children
- 5:23during the main gathering and saying, not a biblical church.
- 5:27We're not doing that.
- 5:29And some that would call themselves family-integrated, not all, but some do in fact do that.
- 5:34And so I think that's a thing we want to be careful of.
- 5:38We have had guests, families, guests here that feel that way after leaving.
- 5:43They say, we can't do this thing, and we don't appreciate that you're telling us we're wrong to go to any other church.
- 5:48And I go, we didn't say that.
- 5:51Well, some of you have, in essence, said that to these families.
- 5:55So we want to be really, really clear about that, right?
- 5:59We are trying to apply biblical wisdom in the way we meet.
- 6:04You'll hear me say often, this seems like the best thing right now to help us follow the commands of God.
- 6:12I don't think it's the only way to accomplish this.
- 6:16I also decided not to use the term multi-generational, and many of you might think that'd be an easier word to use.
- 6:22But as I think about educational disciplines, when you bring together multiple disciplines to accomplish a goal,
- 6:34this is often called multidisciplinary work.
- 6:38But each person has their own expertise, and they come and they offer their expertise to solve a solution.
- 6:43Intergenerational communicates something a little bit different.
- 6:48Interdisciplinary work means that certainly some people may have an expertise,
- 6:53but they come together and they learn each other's expertises in order to solve a problem.
- 6:58It has a much more together feel to it.
- 7:03And so, we are a faith family.
- 7:08We're meant to be working to that kind of degree of relationship, right?
- 7:13That we pick up and bear each other's burdens and offer support and help in that way,
- 7:19which is why I prefer the term intergenerational.
- 7:24And so, as we talk about being an intergenerational church,
- 7:29it doesn't just mean that kids are in the service with us.
- 7:33It means that we're a gathering of believers that love and care for all generations, right?
- 7:39Titus chapter 2 ministry, right?
- 7:43Older men and older women ministering to younger men and younger women.
- 7:48Because we believe that all generations add to the vitality of the church, right?
- 7:54That we need one another in walking out the Christian faith.
- 8:00You have heard me say, and maybe I'm unintentionally becoming known for saying,
- 8:07if you always hang out with your idiot friends, you'll always be an idiot.
- 8:11And I don't mean to insult your friends, right?
- 8:14But if you find yourself in a demographic box,
- 8:18you don't get the shared experience of people outside of that particular demographic.
- 8:24And so, we need one another, right?
- 8:27I need parents who have gone before me as an example, right?
- 8:32Both the lessons that they learned in how not to do things,
- 8:35as well as how to do things.
- 8:38I need people I can ask questions of.
- 8:41I need the zeal of young people in our church, right?
- 8:47It is very easy for me to get comfortable.
- 8:50Man, I love having a bunch of young people who are ready to go take on the world with the gospel of Jesus Christ.
- 8:57I need to be spurred on in that way.
- 9:00These are just some examples of how it is we come together as an intergenerational church,
- 9:07seeking to honor God with all that we do together.
- 9:13One aspect of that, one aspect, and it seems to be a prominent aspect,
- 9:19it's certainly the most contested application of that thinking,
- 9:25is that we encourage congregants to bring their children to sit with us in the congregational gathering.
- 9:34This is certainly not without its pains, right?
- 9:37We do have our moments, don't we?
- 9:39I've said to you before, of all people,
- 9:41I'm preaching and trying to keep a train of thought,
- 9:44that when there's the outburst, I'm with you in that.
- 9:49We push through and we press on.
- 9:52And we do so because there's something that undergirds this type of thinking.
- 9:59There's a reason that we are gathering together in this way.
- 10:03Let me again say, we do not assert that it is wrong to age segregate.
- 10:08We have, I talked about it earlier this morning,
- 10:12a time on Sunday evenings where we're going to do that very thing.
- 10:15We're going to have some stuff for kids,
- 10:17and we're going to have some stuff for adults.
- 10:19Certainly there's times where it's good for us to gender segregate,
- 10:22let the women get together and talk about things that guys don't want to hear about,
- 10:26and vice versa for the ladies.
- 10:29There are moments for this.
- 10:31And certainly a church can.
- 10:35I think it's possible.
- 10:36I just think it's difficult in our age.
- 10:38Have programs provided for children and still encourage and support
- 10:43and find parents living out their God-given responsibility
- 10:48to train up their children in the fear and admonition of the Lord.
- 10:51I do think this is possible.
- 10:54We just see that we live in a culture that's so highly specialized
- 10:57that parents are so quick,
- 11:00so ready to give away their responsibilities
- 11:03to the quote-unquote professionals.
- 11:06So often with schools, with coaches.
- 11:10And we see this very thing happen in the church as well.
- 11:14We, without intention, often in our culture,
- 11:18reduce parents to merely being chauffeurs,
- 11:21just getting kids to the place that they're meant to be,
- 11:25where the highly trained professional can help them.
- 11:28And the Bible doesn't speak in these terms, beloved.
- 11:31The Bible never commands the church to raise children.
- 11:35The Bible never commands a particular parachurch ministry to raise children.
- 11:42The Bible commands parents to raise children.
- 11:47And so you can take comfort as a parent that this command has been given to you
- 11:51and therefore the grace necessary to fulfill it will be also given to you.
- 11:56And you don't have to give away this responsibility to another.
- 12:02And so that's what we're hoping to accomplish.
- 12:05We're hoping to very clearly place that responsibility on the shoulders of parents
- 12:11and then do all kinds of things, which we'll talk about in a bit,
- 12:15to support that work, right?
- 12:17To say, this is a heavy load and we want to bear it with you.
- 12:21But it is your load.
- 12:24In the great day of judgment, I'll be held accountable for all kinds of things that I do
- 12:30and say and feel.
- 12:32Certainly my leadership of many of you.
- 12:35But I don't believe that I'm going to be held accountable for the children of our church.
- 12:39I think that accountability is going to be yours.
- 12:41My part in that is how have I helped you pastor your kids in your home?
- 12:47And that's why we want to be careful about how we do this very thing.
- 12:53So CFC as an intergenerational church believe it's a parent's full responsibility,
- 13:01full responsibility to train children and teach them how to worship and learn about God.
- 13:07So quickly, let's look at Ephesians chapter 6 and verse 4.
- 13:13And I'll look at a couple of other passages as well.
- 13:18Right after a command for children to obey their parents,
- 13:24in verse 4, Paul says,
- 13:25Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger,
- 13:29but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.
- 13:35So it's commanded here, right?
- 13:38And a few other places.
- 13:39Deuteronomy chapter 6 and verse 7.
- 13:44You shall teach the commandments of God diligently to your children
- 13:48and shall talk of them when you sit in your house
- 13:51and when you walk by the way
- 13:52and when you lie down
- 13:54and when you rise.
- 13:57There's a general application of wisdom given to us
- 14:00from Proverbs chapter 22 and verse 6.
- 14:03Train up a child in the way he should go.
- 14:07Even when he is old,
- 14:09he will not depart from it.
- 14:12And so we have these very clear commands to us as parents
- 14:17to train our children.
- 14:19It's our responsibility to educate.
- 14:23Parents, even if someone else is doing that,
- 14:26if your child is in public school,
- 14:28for example,
- 14:28you are responsible for what they are learning.
- 14:32You need to be aware of their curriculum.
- 14:36You need to be asking them many tough questions.
- 14:40And oh, the discernment our young people need
- 14:44as they're in public education.
- 14:46We have to labor in this
- 14:48because the labor has been given to us.
- 14:52Non-parents,
- 14:54we want to support the parents in our church.
- 14:57We want to do everything that we can
- 14:59to help them pick up this mighty task
- 15:03that has been given to the parents of our church.
- 15:08The 19th century English Baptist pastor,
- 15:11you guys know I love,
- 15:12Charles Spurgeon,
- 15:14who was a big proponent of Sunday school,
- 15:17which was four children at its inception,
- 15:20once said,
- 15:21let no Christians fall into the delusion
- 15:25that Sunday school is intended to ease them
- 15:28of their parental duties.
- 15:30The first and most natural condition of things
- 15:33is for Christian parents
- 15:35to train up their own children
- 15:37in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
- 15:41And so anything that we do together as a church
- 15:43or a relationship you might even develop
- 15:47with the child that is not your own
- 15:49ought to be done in support of
- 15:52that work of parents with their kids.
- 15:56That's why I pray on Sunday morning
- 15:57with the kids from Lethia Way.
- 15:59We ask that what we do here
- 16:00and what these children's parents do with them
- 16:03day in and day out in their homes
- 16:04turn them to repentance and to faith.
- 16:07We merely want to come alongside, right?
- 16:12Because it is biblical for parents
- 16:16to bear the responsibility for child training.
- 16:21Our children need to be taught the things of God
- 16:26and they need to be taught
- 16:28that they stand in this world
- 16:30underneath the authority of God
- 16:33and under your authority as parents.
- 16:37This is so incredibly important for them
- 16:39that they see what good, loving, kind authority
- 16:43looks like in their lives, right?
- 16:46Corrected and trained for their good.
- 16:51We talk all the time with our boys
- 16:53about disciplinary action after the fact,
- 16:56after one of them has bent over a knee
- 16:59and they have gone and thought about what they did.
- 17:01We ask, why is it important to obey your parents?
- 17:06And the answer that we are always prodding along
- 17:09is because God who loves them gave us to them
- 17:12and we love them.
- 17:13We love you.
- 17:14That's why you need to obey.
- 17:17Our children should be learning this
- 17:19through our parenting, right?
- 17:21Beyond just the specifics of what we teach,
- 17:24they need to be learning
- 17:25that the world functions with authority, right?
- 17:29God first and foremost
- 17:31and then subservient authorities under that.
- 17:34A great problem with our society today
- 17:37is that there are so many who function
- 17:38as if there is no authority
- 17:40and there is no consequence
- 17:41for anything that they do.
- 17:43And boy, are they grossly awoken
- 17:46when consequences do in fact arise, right?
- 17:50There is authority placed over us.
- 17:53We are not completely free
- 17:55to do whatever we would do.
- 17:57Praise the Lord, right?
- 17:59He governs over us.
- 18:00He keeps us safe.
- 18:02He restrains our wickedness by these things.
- 18:06And our children need to learn this.
- 18:10So, it's biblical for parents
- 18:13to bear the responsibility
- 18:15for child training.
- 18:18Children need to learn authority.
- 18:19They need to be also trained to learn.
- 18:25This is not a thing
- 18:26that children pick up immediately.
- 18:28I think we might have in our congregation
- 18:31some kindergarten teachers,
- 18:32if not some that are in those early years.
- 18:35And they know that one of the major works
- 18:38that's done when a child is already
- 18:40five and six years old
- 18:42in the public school system
- 18:43is to get them to sit still
- 18:45and to be quiet and to pay attention.
- 18:49They should learn this much before that happens, right?
- 18:53Long before.
- 18:55They waste almost a year
- 18:56of that education
- 18:58just learning to learn.
- 19:02We are meant as parents, right?
- 19:05To instruct, to show them
- 19:08how it is they're meant to act later in life.
- 19:13Sam and I remind each other often
- 19:14that we're not raising boys.
- 19:16We're raising men, right?
- 19:18We're starting with the end in mind.
- 19:22Who do we want these young boys to become?
- 19:26And oh, the many years of work
- 19:29it will take to get them to that place.
- 19:31And now as my oldest is eight,
- 19:32I see those years fleeting.
- 19:34They're going by so very quick.
- 19:39There is so much work to be done
- 19:41with our children.
- 19:43We primarily want our children
- 19:45to learn, to learn,
- 19:48because we want them to learn
- 19:49the things of God, right?
- 19:52That they would understand
- 19:53who God is
- 19:54and His righteous requirement of them.
- 19:57That they would see
- 19:58their absolute inability
- 20:00to keep His good commands.
- 20:02And that they would flee to Christ
- 20:05by repentance and faith.
- 20:09We want our children
- 20:10to be able to listen to
- 20:12and understand the instruction
- 20:13of the Bible.
- 20:16Romans 10.17 says that
- 20:17faith comes from hearing
- 20:19and hearing through the Word of Christ.
- 20:23Children and others,
- 20:25or parents and others,
- 20:26if we care about the children
- 20:28of our church,
- 20:29we should care that they're being trained
- 20:31to learn.
- 20:33To learn the things that matter most
- 20:36in their lives.
- 20:38We want the Word of God
- 20:42to be accompanied by
- 20:43the Spirit of God
- 20:45that our children would believe.
- 20:47Spurgeon, again, says,
- 20:49it is not your instruction
- 20:50that can save the souls
- 20:51of your children.
- 20:53It is the blessing
- 20:54of the Holy Spirit
- 20:55accompanying your labors.
- 20:58So parents,
- 20:59we get in there
- 20:59and we work,
- 21:01we teach,
- 21:01we teach,
- 21:02we teach,
- 21:02we teach,
- 21:03we teach and we pray
- 21:04that God would save
- 21:06our kids.
- 21:08Our efforts are so
- 21:10incredibly feeble.
- 21:13But we can take heart
- 21:14that the lives of our children
- 21:15lay not in our hands,
- 21:17but in the hands
- 21:18of our good
- 21:19and faithful Father.
- 21:21See,
- 21:22I can press on.
- 21:23That's no problem.
- 21:26So children need to be trained
- 21:28to learn.
- 21:30Children also
- 21:30need to be trained
- 21:31to be part
- 21:33of a church.
- 21:36By sending children
- 21:37to a different room
- 21:38to be separated
- 21:39from the
- 21:40quote-unquote
- 21:41adult service,
- 21:43they learn
- 21:43that whatever
- 21:44is taking place
- 21:45in the church gathering
- 21:46is not meant
- 21:47for them.
- 21:50If little ones
- 21:51are starting off
- 21:52in circumstances
- 21:53that make it seem
- 21:54like they are not
- 21:55valued in the church,
- 21:58when does that
- 21:58thinking change?
- 22:00When are they taught
- 22:02that it is simply
- 22:03not true?
- 22:06We value you
- 22:07when you turn
- 22:08five.
- 22:10The things of God
- 22:11are going to be
- 22:11made available to you
- 22:12when you turn
- 22:14three,
- 22:15whatever that
- 22:16may be.
- 22:17When do we begin
- 22:18helping our kids
- 22:20understand
- 22:20that what we do
- 22:21together as a church
- 22:22is valuable,
- 22:24which means it's
- 22:24valuable for all
- 22:25of us?
- 22:27in many churches,
- 22:29the youth have
- 22:30their own service.
- 22:32If you're a teenager,
- 22:33you're pulled out
- 22:34of the quote-unquote
- 22:35adult service,
- 22:36which are often
- 22:37just an extension
- 22:38of children's church.
- 22:41The kids haven't
- 22:42learned,
- 22:43right,
- 22:43how to sit
- 22:44and to listen
- 22:45and to appreciate
- 22:46the things of God.
- 22:48And in many churches,
- 22:50the adult service
- 22:51has become
- 22:52little more
- 22:53than an extension
- 22:53of the youth service.
- 22:56It's centered
- 22:57on entertainment,
- 22:58wrapped up
- 22:59in emotion
- 23:00because
- 23:01these adults
- 23:03have never been
- 23:04taught to grow up.
- 23:06Our Christian culture
- 23:07is failing to train,
- 23:10so we have many
- 23:11spiritual adolescents
- 23:13and adults
- 23:15of our day.
- 23:17This is a
- 23:17tragic thing
- 23:18kids need
- 23:20to learn.
- 23:21Some of you
- 23:22probably came here
- 23:23and at the outset
- 23:25thought,
- 23:25this is kind of boring.
- 23:27You're likely
- 23:28a result
- 23:29of the culture
- 23:30that entertained you
- 23:32and entertained you
- 23:32and entertained you.
- 23:34And while we want
- 23:35people to really enjoy
- 23:36when we gather together,
- 23:37we're not being boring
- 23:39by design.
- 23:40I want you to know
- 23:41that it is also okay
- 23:43with us as a church
- 23:45if what we do
- 23:46is a bit boring
- 23:47to the nominal Christian
- 23:49who comes in and says,
- 23:51I just don't feel
- 23:52entertained.
- 23:52The plea to them
- 23:54is, well then grow up.
- 23:56We're talking about
- 23:57the things of God.
- 23:58We're singing
- 23:59and praying
- 23:59and opening up
- 24:01the scripture together.
- 24:03So you see how
- 24:05we can as a church
- 24:07start early
- 24:08and I hope
- 24:09turn the tide
- 24:10of this young generation.
- 24:14We want to raise,
- 24:15as the Puritans
- 24:16would say,
- 24:17churchmen.
- 24:18I want my boys
- 24:19to understand
- 24:20the great value
- 24:21of the congregation
- 24:23gathering together
- 24:24and doing deep
- 24:25and weighty things
- 24:27to the glory of God.
- 24:30So children need
- 24:30to be trained
- 24:31to be a part
- 24:32of the church.
- 24:35Children need
- 24:36to be trained
- 24:36for self-control.
- 24:38people.
- 24:40And we have had
- 24:42just so many,
- 24:43and so many parents
- 24:44that I would say
- 24:45are great parents
- 24:46come and say,
- 24:48we just can't do it.
- 24:50We just can't do it.
- 24:52It is not unreasonable
- 24:54to expect a child
- 24:56to be able to learn,
- 24:57learn,
- 24:58to process,
- 24:59to sit through
- 25:00an entire sermon.
- 25:01It is not unreasonable.
- 25:04If we believe
- 25:05an hour's worth
- 25:06of good behavior
- 25:07is too much
- 25:08to ask
- 25:09of our children,
- 25:11then we are fiercely
- 25:12underestimating
- 25:13our children.
- 25:15If you begin
- 25:16to actually throw
- 25:17some effort
- 25:17into training your kids,
- 25:19you will be astounded
- 25:20at what they can
- 25:21accomplish.
- 25:24I'm going to use
- 25:24as an example,
- 25:25and we are not
- 25:25a perfect example.
- 25:27My wife,
- 25:28I think with fair success,
- 25:30pulls it off
- 25:30each week
- 25:32for the last
- 25:33eight years
- 25:34with no help
- 25:36from me.
- 25:38If you have
- 25:39both a mom
- 25:39and a dad
- 25:39sitting with your kids,
- 25:41you are at a great
- 25:42advantage
- 25:43to my family,
- 25:46and yet somehow
- 25:47from age two,
- 25:49and we can even
- 25:50back up,
- 25:50Silas was much younger,
- 25:53they are able
- 25:54to sit
- 25:54and do that work,
- 25:55and it is not
- 25:56because our kids
- 25:56are just good tempered.
- 25:59They are not.
- 26:00I have wonderful
- 26:03children,
- 26:04but they have
- 26:05had to be trained.
- 26:07They have had to
- 26:07learn how to do
- 26:08what it is
- 26:10they are doing
- 26:10here and in other
- 26:11places as well.
- 26:13We have to teach
- 26:14them self-control.
- 26:15I am fearful
- 26:16for this generation
- 26:17and their ability
- 26:18to hold jobs
- 26:20because guess what?
- 26:21A lot of life
- 26:22is going to be
- 26:24mundane
- 26:24and boring.
- 26:26You are going to
- 26:27sit down at a job
- 26:27and do data entry
- 26:28for eight hours
- 26:29a day,
- 26:30but as a child
- 26:32you can't sit
- 26:32still for an hour.
- 26:34Oh, the tragedy
- 26:35that will ensue
- 26:36from such a thing.
- 26:39Silas, my two-year-old,
- 26:40is sitting very quietly,
- 26:41at least at this moment.
- 26:43Hey, buddy.
- 26:45And doing quite well.
- 26:47Sam's going,
- 26:48yes, he's doing well.
- 26:50Don't interrupt.
- 26:51Don't interrupt
- 26:51what he's doing well.
- 26:54But by teaching
- 26:56our children
- 26:58to sit through
- 26:58a church gathering,
- 27:00they're learning
- 27:01a number of
- 27:02important and
- 27:02profitable habits
- 27:03that translate
- 27:04into other areas
- 27:06of their life.
- 27:08The youngest children
- 27:10amongst us
- 27:11are primarily
- 27:12learning self-control.
- 27:14People say,
- 27:14why are you having
- 27:15the kids in the service?
- 27:17What's the point?
- 27:18Clearly,
- 27:19I'm not going to go
- 27:20and ask Silas later
- 27:21what he learned
- 27:22from the sermon.
- 27:23He has no idea
- 27:24what I'm talking about.
- 27:25He heard his name
- 27:26and he looked up.
- 27:27That was the extent of it.
- 27:28But he's learning
- 27:29something extremely important
- 27:30which is going to feed
- 27:31into many greater
- 27:33and more important things.
- 27:35He's learning
- 27:35to sit still now
- 27:36and then he'll begin
- 27:38to learn from sermons
- 27:40as time progresses on.
- 27:43So it does matter.
- 27:44It is helpful
- 27:46and important.
- 27:48Our little ones
- 27:50have an absolute,
- 27:51I mean,
- 27:52it is incredible
- 27:52how much energy
- 27:53they have,
- 27:54isn't it?
- 27:54I mean,
- 27:54it is just oozing
- 27:56out of them
- 27:57and they're going
- 27:58to need to learn
- 27:58how to dial it back
- 28:00and to sit down
- 28:02and to be quiet.
- 28:05Children also gain perspective
- 28:07by being trained
- 28:09to stay
- 28:09for the congregational gathering.
- 28:11They come to understand
- 28:12that not everything
- 28:14revolves around
- 28:15their need
- 28:16for entertainment.
- 28:17They are learning
- 28:20at a very,
- 28:21very young age
- 28:22to put others
- 28:24before themselves.
- 28:26We have had
- 28:27countless conversations
- 28:28with our children
- 28:29about not being distracting
- 28:30to others
- 28:31because others
- 28:32are here to listen
- 28:33or to sing
- 28:34or to, right?
- 28:35That what they do
- 28:36affects other people
- 28:38and they should be concerned
- 28:39about that type
- 28:41of thing.
- 28:42from a very early age
- 28:44they're able
- 28:44to begin
- 28:46getting this concept.
- 28:48Like,
- 28:48this is a huge thing
- 28:49for us to even understand
- 28:50as adults.
- 28:52How much better
- 28:53if we start early?
- 28:54Like,
- 28:54we get the seed
- 28:55planted in them
- 28:56and it begins to grow
- 28:58so they will begin
- 28:58to understand
- 28:59the world
- 29:00does not revolve
- 29:02around you.
- 29:05Right?
- 29:05So,
- 29:06doing this
- 29:07takes work.
- 29:10It takes work.
- 29:13Know that
- 29:13sacrifice is required
- 29:15and your patience
- 29:17will probably run out
- 29:18before
- 29:19it gets stronger.
- 29:23But it's also important
- 29:24to know
- 29:25that as a church
- 29:26we've made a commitment
- 29:27to working this out
- 29:29together
- 29:30that we're
- 29:31here for you.
- 29:32You're not alone
- 29:33in this effort.
- 29:36We are pleased
- 29:37that if you are here
- 29:38that you are even
- 29:40giving it an effort.
- 29:41Like,
- 29:41that is a wonderful,
- 29:42wonderful thing
- 29:43that you're
- 29:44trying
- 29:45to do this
- 29:46and you need
- 29:46to be encouraged
- 29:47in continuing
- 29:48to try
- 29:50to do this.
- 29:52And so,
- 29:53in the effort
- 29:53of doing it,
- 29:54let me just give you
- 29:55some practical tips
- 29:57for the how.
- 30:00First,
- 30:01we cherish
- 30:03Sunday mornings.
- 30:06The most valuable step
- 30:07in training
- 30:08a child
- 30:08to sit through
- 30:09and participate
- 30:10in church gatherings
- 30:12is to cherish
- 30:14church gatherings.
- 30:16Parents,
- 30:18if you don't act
- 30:19like you're happy
- 30:20to be here,
- 30:21your children
- 30:22are going to pick
- 30:22that up.
- 30:24It's a great service
- 30:25to them
- 30:25if you make
- 30:26Sunday
- 30:27the most important
- 30:29day of the week.
- 30:30If you're excited
- 30:32about what we get
- 30:33to do
- 30:34together
- 30:35on Sundays,
- 30:37we sat through
- 30:38a particularly
- 30:38long thing
- 30:40where the boys
- 30:41were expected
- 30:41to be quiet
- 30:42and when we got
- 30:43out from it,
- 30:44Cade noted
- 30:45that it was
- 30:45longer
- 30:46than a church
- 30:47gathering
- 30:48and Judah said
- 30:50it was more
- 30:50boring
- 30:51than a church
- 30:51gathering.
- 30:53And,
- 30:54of course,
- 30:55for a second
- 30:56my feelings
- 30:56are hurt
- 30:57because I don't
- 30:57really want
- 30:58our gatherings
- 30:59to be boring
- 31:00to my children.
- 31:01It's not what
- 31:01I hope for
- 31:02them,
- 31:03but it gave me
- 31:04an opportunity
- 31:04to talk about
- 31:05why it shouldn't
- 31:06be boring
- 31:06to them.
- 31:07Oh,
- 31:08it's the greatest
- 31:08thing we do.
- 31:10It's way better
- 31:11than,
- 31:11and I can fill
- 31:12in the multiple
- 31:12blanks of things
- 31:13that my children
- 31:13really enjoy
- 31:15going to go do,
- 31:17but to show them
- 31:18that I think
- 31:19it's the most
- 31:20important thing.
- 31:21I think
- 31:22it's best.
- 31:24Non-parents,
- 31:25you can help
- 31:25us with this,
- 31:26right?
- 31:27Being attentive,
- 31:29right?
- 31:29Showing up
- 31:30on time,
- 31:31minimizing
- 31:32bathroom breaks,
- 31:34right?
- 31:34Show the kids
- 31:35around you
- 31:36that what we're
- 31:37doing is important
- 31:38to you,
- 31:40right?
- 31:40I love as much
- 31:41as the next person
- 31:41when a kid is
- 31:42on a parent's
- 31:43shoulder and
- 31:43they're smiling
- 31:44at me.
- 31:45Don't start
- 31:45entertaining them.
- 31:47Smile back
- 31:48and then pay
- 31:48attention,
- 31:49right?
- 31:49That's the thing
- 31:50you can do
- 31:50for them.
- 31:51Stare beyond
- 31:52them to what's
- 31:53happening with
- 31:55us in the room
- 31:56at that time.
- 31:57Whether you
- 31:59treat being
- 32:00at church
- 32:00as a delight
- 32:01or as a duty,
- 32:04your children
- 32:04will notice.
- 32:06It will make
- 32:06a difference
- 32:07to them
- 32:07and impact
- 32:08their young
- 32:08hearts.
- 32:09The contemporary
- 32:10pastor,
- 32:10John Piper,
- 32:11suggests that
- 32:12parents should
- 32:13be jealous
- 32:14to model
- 32:14for their
- 32:15children
- 32:15the tremendous
- 32:16value they
- 32:17put on reverence
- 32:18in the presence
- 32:20of Almighty
- 32:21God.
- 32:22This is a
- 32:22great work.
- 32:23Okay?
- 32:23So we cherish
- 32:24Sunday mornings.
- 32:25We also
- 32:27practice.
- 32:29This is a
- 32:30step that is
- 32:30often overlooked.
- 32:33Children do
- 32:34not have tests
- 32:34without homework,
- 32:36ideally,
- 32:37and they're
- 32:38not put into
- 32:38a game
- 32:39without first
- 32:40going to
- 32:40practice,
- 32:42ideally,
- 32:43right?
- 32:44You cannot
- 32:45expect that
- 32:45this is the
- 32:46best place
- 32:46to train
- 32:47a child.
- 32:48It just
- 32:49isn't the
- 32:50best place
- 32:50to train
- 32:51a child.
- 32:52We
- 32:53discipline
- 32:55our children
- 32:56differently
- 32:57in our
- 32:57living room
- 32:58than we
- 32:58could in
- 32:59this room.
- 33:00Now,
- 33:00they could
- 33:00get taken
- 33:00out of
- 33:01this room
- 33:01and disciplined
- 33:02in the same
- 33:03way,
- 33:04but I am
- 33:05much more
- 33:06quick to
- 33:06deliver discipline
- 33:07of the
- 33:08physical form
- 33:09in my
- 33:10living room
- 33:11than I
- 33:11would be
- 33:12here.
- 33:12I don't
- 33:13think people
- 33:14would appreciate
- 33:15hearing a little
- 33:15outcry and
- 33:16hearing the
- 33:17smack that
- 33:17would follow
- 33:18that,
- 33:20and then the
- 33:20crying that
- 33:21would ensue.
- 33:22This isn't
- 33:23the best
- 33:23place.
- 33:25And we
- 33:25across the
- 33:25years have
- 33:27encountered
- 33:28a parent that
- 33:29really tries to
- 33:30work it out
- 33:30here,
- 33:30and so there's
- 33:31the noise
- 33:31and the
- 33:32shh and
- 33:33the noise
- 33:33and the
- 33:33shh and
- 33:34the noise
- 33:34and the
- 33:34shh and
- 33:35the noise
- 33:35and the
- 33:35shh and
- 33:36the noise
- 33:36and the
- 33:36shh.
- 33:38And it's
- 33:38more distracting.
- 33:40And the
- 33:40child's not
- 33:41comprehending
- 33:41what's going
- 33:42on in
- 33:43that space.
- 33:44It's not
- 33:45actually the
- 33:46thing that's
- 33:47most needful,
- 33:48right?
- 33:48What they
- 33:48need is to
- 33:49be trained at
- 33:50home and
- 33:51then brought
- 33:51here,
- 33:52and we'll
- 33:52talk a bit
- 33:52more about
- 33:53placing
- 33:54expectations and
- 33:55consequences on
- 33:56the children at
- 33:57that time.
- 33:58The practice
- 33:59at home is
- 34:00absolutely
- 34:01necessary.
- 34:04Start small,
- 34:06take steps,
- 34:08best suit your
- 34:08children and
- 34:09their age,
- 34:10and grow in
- 34:11it.
- 34:11So a
- 34:12wonderful
- 34:13suggestion from
- 34:14the Zwimkes.
- 34:15If you don't
- 34:16know the Zwimkes,
- 34:16I am sorry for
- 34:17that.
- 34:17previous members
- 34:18of our
- 34:18church that
- 34:18are serving
- 34:19in Germany
- 34:20right now,
- 34:21every one of
- 34:22their five
- 34:22girls,
- 34:23Kathleen did
- 34:24what she
- 34:24called blanket
- 34:25time,
- 34:26and she did
- 34:27that largely.
- 34:28She was
- 34:28training them
- 34:28up to
- 34:29self-discipline,
- 34:30but she did
- 34:30that largely
- 34:31to have the
- 34:31kids in the
- 34:32service,
- 34:33gave them a
- 34:34blanket with
- 34:34quiet toys,
- 34:36and expected
- 34:36them to be
- 34:37quiet,
- 34:38in infancy,
- 34:39to be quiet.
- 34:40She was able
- 34:41to sit with
- 34:41them and
- 34:42correct them,
- 34:43to be right
- 34:43there and
- 34:44ready to
- 34:45bring correction
- 34:46to help them
- 34:47understand what
- 34:47that looks like.
- 34:48So you could
- 34:49do something
- 34:49like that at
- 34:50home and
- 34:51then bring it
- 34:51here as well.
- 34:53You're welcome
- 34:54to put a
- 34:54blanket in the
- 34:55aisle.
- 34:55The fire
- 34:56inspector never
- 34:57shows up on
- 34:58a Sunday
- 34:58morning.
- 34:59So think
- 35:01about things
- 35:01you could
- 35:02implement at
- 35:02home and
- 35:03then bring
- 35:03with you here.
- 35:05We, with our
- 35:05boys, had a
- 35:07little seat that
- 35:08you strapped a
- 35:08kid into,
- 35:09and we worked
- 35:10at home on
- 35:10helping them
- 35:11learn to be
- 35:11quiet at
- 35:12home, and
- 35:13they sat in
- 35:13a chair here,
- 35:14and it made
- 35:15sense to them.
- 35:15If I sit here,
- 35:16I can nibble on
- 35:17Cheerios as long
- 35:18as I'm quiet.
- 35:20So you can work
- 35:21on these types
- 35:23of things.
- 35:24You could have
- 35:25other forms of
- 35:26quiet play with
- 35:26older kids, and
- 35:28let me tell you,
- 35:29if you're a parent
- 35:30and you feel like
- 35:30you have no extra
- 35:31time in your day,
- 35:31you are going to
- 35:32love doing this
- 35:33kind of training
- 35:34because it's
- 35:34going to give
- 35:34you time in
- 35:36your day.
- 35:36We do at our
- 35:37house, I call it
- 35:38book time.
- 35:39The boys know
- 35:40exactly what I'm
- 35:40talking about,
- 35:41and it's usually
- 35:41when my brain's
- 35:43about to explode
- 35:44from the noise
- 35:44in the house,
- 35:45and I've almost
- 35:46always got a book
- 35:46with me that I
- 35:47would love to
- 35:47read, and I
- 35:48sit them on the
- 35:50couch.
- 35:50They get a big
- 35:50stack of books
- 35:51each, and they
- 35:51sit on the couch.
- 35:52They were doing
- 35:52this before any
- 35:53of them were
- 35:54readers, just
- 35:54looking at pages
- 35:56of books, and I
- 35:57sit in a chair next
- 35:58to them, and I
- 35:59can bring
- 36:00correction, verbal
- 36:01correction, loudly,
- 36:03Judah.
- 36:04Judah, we're being
- 36:06quiet right now.
- 36:07You know you're
- 36:08supposed to be
- 36:08quiet.
- 36:09And we worked
- 36:10our time up in
- 36:11that way, so now
- 36:12I expect 45
- 36:13minutes, and they
- 36:14sit there very
- 36:15quietly for 45
- 36:15minutes and look
- 36:17at books, and
- 36:17we're working with
- 36:18our two-year-old
- 36:19Silas to join in
- 36:20on that.
- 36:21I expect it for a
- 36:22while, and then I'll
- 36:23let him off the
- 36:24couch and go do
- 36:24something else,
- 36:25because his poor
- 36:26little body is
- 36:27freaking out.
- 36:29Right?
- 36:29So you need to
- 36:31practice at home, and
- 36:32you need to be
- 36:33appropriate, and you
- 36:34need to work your
- 36:34way up.
- 36:36It's difficult to
- 36:37expect absolute
- 36:38silence from your
- 36:40children.
- 36:41Please know I don't
- 36:42expect absolute
- 36:43silence from your
- 36:45children, but your
- 36:46children can be
- 36:47taught to control
- 36:48their volume.
- 36:50Even a little one
- 36:51can learn how to
- 36:52whisper.
- 36:53I use a hand
- 36:54symbol.
- 36:55Instead of shushing,
- 36:56I go like this, and
- 36:58they get it.
- 36:58Because when I go
- 36:59like this, I start
- 37:00talking more
- 37:01quietly.
- 37:01And it's really
- 37:02incredible how
- 37:03smart they are, and
- 37:04how they can pick
- 37:04that kind of thing
- 37:05up.
- 37:06So you can teach
- 37:07your kids to bring
- 37:08their volume down,
- 37:09so that if they do
- 37:10need something when
- 37:12we're meeting
- 37:12together, they can
- 37:13ask for it
- 37:15appropriately.
- 37:17Right?
- 37:19If you need to,
- 37:20sit with your kids,
- 37:22join them on the
- 37:23couch, on the
- 37:24floor, set some
- 37:26time aside in your
- 37:27day to actually
- 37:28show them what it
- 37:30looks like to do
- 37:31the thing you're
- 37:31asking them to do.
- 37:33Like, don't give
- 37:33them a far-off
- 37:35concept of what it
- 37:36means to sit
- 37:36quietly.
- 37:38Tell them and then
- 37:39show them what it
- 37:40looks like to sit
- 37:41quietly.
- 37:42We periodically have
- 37:43a little share
- 37:44circle in our house,
- 37:45and I teach the
- 37:46kids how to ask
- 37:46nicely and to share,
- 37:48and I'm still doing
- 37:49this with our
- 37:49eight-year-old who
- 37:50now thinks it's the
- 37:51most boring,
- 37:52ridiculous task, but
- 37:53yet hasn't learned
- 37:54how to do it.
- 37:55And so we model
- 37:57what it looks like.
- 37:58Right?
- 37:58And we're looping
- 37:59now a two-year-old
- 38:00into that process of
- 38:01asking nicely and
- 38:02saying, thank you.
- 38:04And if your brother's
- 38:05not ready to share
- 38:05yet, what do you do?
- 38:07Right?
- 38:07You don't yell and
- 38:08hit.
- 38:09So our children need
- 38:10this kind of thing
- 38:11modeled out for them.
- 38:13The greatest benefit
- 38:14gained from practicing
- 38:15at home is being
- 38:17able to continually
- 38:19worship as a family
- 38:20throughout the week.
- 38:22So you can train at
- 38:24home by doing
- 38:24family worship at
- 38:26home.
- 38:26Picking up these
- 38:27important things that
- 38:28we do on Sunday
- 38:29mornings and doing
- 38:30that in your home as
- 38:31well.
- 38:32It's a wondrous thing
- 38:33for children to
- 38:34understand that God
- 38:35does not only exist
- 38:37on Sundays.
- 38:39This building isn't
- 38:40somehow holy, the
- 38:41place in which we
- 38:42come and meet with
- 38:44him.
- 38:44But those who are
- 38:45God's people are
- 38:46God's dwelling place.
- 38:48And so in every day,
- 38:51our kids need to see
- 38:51us as parents excited
- 38:53to talk about him,
- 38:55to share what we
- 38:56know with them.
- 38:59And I will tell you,
- 39:00parents, if you want
- 39:01to really understand
- 39:02the things of God,
- 39:03try to explain it to
- 39:05a three or four or
- 39:07five-year-old.
- 39:08Try to bring it down
- 39:09to their place.
- 39:11Meditate on it
- 39:12yourself in that way.
- 39:14I hope sometimes
- 39:14Aletheia Way serves
- 39:15you just because you
- 39:16go, oh, you said
- 39:18that in the simplest
- 39:18of terms.
- 39:19And what a glorious
- 39:20truth that is.
- 39:21It's a good thing to
- 39:22consider.
- 39:24Okay, we give clear
- 39:25expectations.
- 39:26We give clear
- 39:27expectations.
- 39:29You have to communicate
- 39:31to your children in
- 39:31advance what you
- 39:32expect of them.
- 39:34Beloved, adults
- 39:35behave this way.
- 39:37Have you ever had a
- 39:37job where you didn't
- 39:38really know what your
- 39:39boss wanted of you and
- 39:40he never quite seemed
- 39:41happy with you?
- 39:42I've had some of those
- 39:43and I hated it.
- 39:44Just tell me what you
- 39:45expect so I can make
- 39:46you happy and go home
- 39:48thinking I've done my
- 39:49job at the end of the
- 39:51day.
- 39:52So tell your kids what
- 39:54it is that you expect
- 39:56of them.
- 39:57And there can be
- 39:57variance in that, the
- 39:58expectations you have
- 40:00for your kids.
- 40:01Some parents are going
- 40:02to want their kids to
- 40:03sit perfectly still,
- 40:05attentive, listening to
- 40:06every word that comes
- 40:07out of my mouth.
- 40:08Some parents are going
- 40:09to let their kids look
- 40:09at books or draw or do
- 40:12mazes or whatever.
- 40:13That is fine.
- 40:14Just let your kids know
- 40:16what it is that you're
- 40:17expecting of them.
- 40:19Please include in that
- 40:21not being distracting.
- 40:23Right?
- 40:24Not being distracting.
- 40:25Like what we are doing
- 40:26together is weighty.
- 40:27The primary thing we're
- 40:29doing is not helping you
- 40:30train your kids.
- 40:31The primary thing we're
- 40:33doing is gathering
- 40:34together to be equipped
- 40:35for every good work.
- 40:37So keep that in mind.
- 40:41Alongside of your
- 40:41expectations for them,
- 40:42make sure they know what
- 40:44can be expected when
- 40:45they misbehave.
- 40:48As you lay out
- 40:48expectations for their
- 40:49behavior, have clear
- 40:51consequences for
- 40:53disobedience.
- 40:54This is what will happen
- 40:55if you don't obey.
- 40:58Be consistent with your
- 41:00children by always
- 41:01following through with
- 41:02stated consequences.
- 41:04And this absolutely gets
- 41:06repetitive.
- 41:07It absolutely does.
- 41:09But repetition is a key
- 41:11in training little ones.
- 41:13So you guys all know how
- 41:15I like to alliterate and
- 41:16it seems like everything I
- 41:17alliterate in my world
- 41:19starts with a C.
- 41:21This is no exception to
- 41:22that.
- 41:24If you ask me what our
- 41:25philosophy for training our
- 41:26children is, I will tell
- 41:27you clear expectations,
- 41:30clear consequences,
- 41:31and consistency.
- 41:33We absolutely have to
- 41:36follow through with our
- 41:37children.
- 41:38So clear expectations,
- 41:39clear consequences,
- 41:39promises, and consistency.
- 41:43Next, we are prepared.
- 41:45We are prepared.
- 41:47Prep your children for
- 41:48coming to church, right?
- 41:49Part of that is stating
- 41:50expectations, right?
- 41:51You can turn their minds to
- 41:53what is important about the
- 41:54day.
- 41:55If you have older children,
- 41:56you begin to talk to them
- 41:57about last week's text,
- 41:59what we may be preaching
- 42:00about this week, although
- 42:01these days, who knows what
- 42:03text we'll be in.
- 42:04But typically, you can look
- 42:06at where we are in the
- 42:07Scripture and see, with a
- 42:09fair guess, what verses
- 42:10will come next in our
- 42:11verse-by-verse exposition.
- 42:14It helps to hit the ground
- 42:16running, take the kids to
- 42:17the bathroom before you come
- 42:19inside, have their things
- 42:21ready to go.
- 42:23So when we sit down and it's
- 42:24time to open God's Word and
- 42:25preach, you're not fumbling
- 42:26through backpacks and opening
- 42:28up loud containers, right?
- 42:31Let me suggest to you, bags
- 42:36that aren't crunchy and food
- 42:37that's not crunchy and toys
- 42:40that don't bang together,
- 42:41like, think about things that
- 42:42are quiet because it'll keep
- 42:43them quiet, right?
- 42:44As they're seeing, I don't
- 42:45make noise with the stuff
- 42:47that I'm playing with.
- 42:49It'll help keep their volume
- 42:50down.
- 42:51But as they get louder here,
- 42:54they feel a little more
- 42:54justified to speak up over the
- 42:56top of.
- 42:56So it can be really, really
- 42:57helpful to be thoughtful of
- 42:59that, right?
- 42:59Like a pencil bag that, right,
- 43:03maybe has a quiet Ziploc thing
- 43:04in its cloth rather than a
- 43:06giant Ziploc bag that has to
- 43:09be crunched in and out of to
- 43:10get things in and out of it.
- 43:11Could be an example of
- 43:13something like that, right?
- 43:15You don't want your kids
- 43:16frantically jumping up and
- 43:17down and trying to find their
- 43:18stuff, right?
- 43:20When we begin to sit down
- 43:21together, it'll help them come
- 43:23sit down, settle in for our
- 43:26time, right?
- 43:27You have to prepare yourself
- 43:31as well.
- 43:33It will be hard to fully
- 43:35listen to an entire sermon
- 43:37with a squirmy, noisy
- 43:39toddler.
- 43:40Amen, parents?
- 43:42This means that you cannot
- 43:44expect a Sunday morning to be
- 43:45your only biblical fuel for
- 43:47the week.
- 43:48This is true for every single
- 43:49one of us, right?
- 43:50This can't be it.
- 43:51You will be malnourished if
- 43:53this is the only Bible you
- 43:55get.
- 43:55You see this morning,
- 43:56you're getting very little
- 43:57of it, right?
- 43:57Ephesians chapter 6 and
- 43:59verse 4.
- 44:02So, what should we be doing
- 44:04throughout the week, right?
- 44:05We ought to be feeding
- 44:06ourselves from the Holy
- 44:09Writ every single day.
- 44:12Being filled up with the
- 44:14Bible will help you come
- 44:16here and maybe miss the
- 44:18third point from the second
- 44:20point.
- 44:21And you'll be okay if you do
- 44:23that thing.
- 44:24Go back and listen to the
- 44:25recording or ladies, ask your
- 44:28attentive husband what was
- 44:29said there, right?
- 44:31Sermons are necessary, but
- 44:33they are certainly not
- 44:34enough.
- 44:35They're certainly not
- 44:36enough.
- 44:38And as you teach your
- 44:41children, as you prepare your
- 44:42children, right?
- 44:43Keep in mind, for those of us
- 44:45with young children, these are
- 44:46working years and there will
- 44:48come reaping years.
- 44:50This is another Kathleen's
- 44:51Wimke mantra.
- 44:52mantra.
- 44:54And if you guys know those
- 44:55Wimkes, you knew how
- 44:56wonderfully obedient her older
- 44:58girls were.
- 45:00They were just a joy to have
- 45:02around because they were
- 45:03really invested in as young
- 45:06children.
- 45:07So, keep that in mind as we're
- 45:08doing the hard work of training
- 45:09our kids, right?
- 45:11That we are going to reap a
- 45:13reward for that kind of work.
- 45:15As your children grow, if they
- 45:18are trained, what a blessing
- 45:20it would be, what wonderful
- 45:21things would be, that they
- 45:23will be able to learn right
- 45:24alongside of you.
- 45:26And you will learn together as a
- 45:28family, right?
- 45:28To sit together and to hear
- 45:30God's Word preached, to have
- 45:32conversations about it all
- 45:34afternoon, right?
- 45:35Until nap time comes.
- 45:37What a glorious thing that would
- 45:39be.
- 45:40Okay, we discipline.
- 45:42Proper discipline can be a
- 45:43difficult thing to navigate, but
- 45:45we can be sure that it is
- 45:47necessary.
- 45:49Proverbs 22, 15 says that
- 45:50folly is bound up in the heart
- 45:51of a child, but the rod of
- 45:53discipline drives it far from
- 45:55him.
- 45:55So, we're talking about
- 45:56corrective discipline.
- 45:58Later in Proverbs 29, verse 15,
- 46:01the rod and reproof give
- 46:03wisdom, but a child left to
- 46:05himself brings shame to his
- 46:08mother, right?
- 46:08And the Scripture encourages
- 46:10this kind of corrective
- 46:12discipline.
- 46:15Disciplining our children,
- 46:16Voddie Bauckham writes, is
- 46:17not about teaching them to
- 46:18behave in a way that won't
- 46:19embarrass us.
- 46:21We are working towards
- 46:22something much more important
- 46:24than that.
- 46:25We're actually raising our
- 46:26children with a view toward
- 46:27leading them to trust and to
- 46:30follow Christ.
- 46:32So, after expectations are set
- 46:34and children understand them,
- 46:36make sure they know the
- 46:37consequences for
- 46:38disobedience.
- 46:38It is good practice to use
- 46:41the same course of discipline
- 46:42as you would at home.
- 46:44Don't confuse them.
- 46:46There's different standards and
- 46:47consequences on Sunday than
- 46:50there are other days of the
- 46:52week, right?
- 46:53Again, for us, we have to
- 46:54remove our children to do the
- 46:55same thing at home from the
- 46:57room.
- 46:57You probably will have to as
- 47:00well.
- 47:01Remember to take advantage of
- 47:03that time at home when you're in
- 47:04an environment where discipline
- 47:06is much, much easier to
- 47:08administer.
- 47:10When you take your kids out of
- 47:11this room, work not only to
- 47:14explain what they're doing
- 47:15wrong, but how it is
- 47:17disobedient and why that
- 47:19disobedience is not okay.
- 47:22You don't want to just blindly
- 47:23discipline without also
- 47:24verbally correcting, helping
- 47:26them to understand, even at the
- 47:27very youngest age.
- 47:30Young parents ask Sam and I
- 47:32often, when do you start
- 47:34disciplining your kids?
- 47:35And we say, on the changing
- 47:36table.
- 47:38You have to begin setting
- 47:39expectations, and our first
- 47:41expectation is don't roll over.
- 47:44That's it.
- 47:45I'm doing a really, really,
- 47:47really hard operation here.
- 47:50If I'm going to not have to
- 47:51take a scalding hot shower, so
- 47:53don't move is the first command
- 47:55we give to our kids.
- 47:57And then we expect that they
- 47:59will not move.
- 48:01And we don't spank our
- 48:02infants, but we put our hand on
- 48:03their chest and pull them down
- 48:05if they're starting to roll
- 48:06over.
- 48:07And boy, do they get it quick.
- 48:09They understand, Dad is not
- 48:10happy with me when I am
- 48:11flipping over and smearing as I
- 48:14go.
- 48:20So, parents, if your children are
- 48:25not keeping the standard that
- 48:26you set for them, don't try to
- 48:29correct, try to correct, try to
- 48:30correct, try to correct.
- 48:31You need to get them up and you
- 48:32need to get them out.
- 48:34In fact, the non-parents in the
- 48:35room need to see you doing that,
- 48:37not trying to pacify them, but
- 48:39moving quickly with them to
- 48:40administer discipline.
- 48:41Like, you have not met the
- 48:42standard, so we're heading out.
- 48:44There will be some discipline for
- 48:46not meeting the standard, and
- 48:47then we'll see how we can
- 48:50correct after that.
- 48:52Once you've left the room, you
- 48:53need to discern if it's possible
- 48:55to return to the meeting room.
- 48:56It may not be possible to return
- 48:59to the room and be fruitful to
- 49:01sit in this space.
- 49:03Again, we have a training space
- 49:04across the hall.
- 49:05That's what that's there for.
- 49:07I know we call it the overflow
- 49:07room, a lot of you do.
- 49:09I call it the training space,
- 49:10right?
- 49:11It's got a TV over there.
- 49:12You can go sit as if you're
- 49:14sitting in here, but there you
- 49:15can be a little more corrective.
- 49:16They can be a little more
- 49:17distracting and help them in that
- 49:20space, right?
- 49:21If they learn that when they have
- 49:24an outburst, they get to go do
- 49:25something more fun.
- 49:27You go across the hall and you
- 49:29put them down.
- 49:30You go put them in child care
- 49:31downstairs.
- 49:32Guess what they're going to do
- 49:33every single Sunday, right?
- 49:35With our kids, fortunately, when
- 49:37both Kate and Judah, our older
- 49:39ones, were young, my brother-in-law
- 49:42was preaching as well, and so I
- 49:43had these big blocks of time that
- 49:45I wouldn't have to preach.
- 49:46And so what I did in those times
- 49:48to help out Sam with our
- 49:50training is that if one of them,
- 49:51I mean, one little outburst,
- 49:54we'd give them a, you need to be
- 49:55quiet.
- 49:56If they didn't do it again, I was
- 49:57up and out of this room, and they
- 49:59would be spanked.
- 50:00And then we would go into the
- 50:02kitchen, because you can hear
- 50:04through that little rolly door
- 50:05back there, what's going on in
- 50:08the room.
- 50:08We didn't have a cool TV across
- 50:09the hall at the time.
- 50:11And I would make them put their
- 50:12head down on my shoulder and be
- 50:14quiet.
- 50:15It's a lot less fun.
- 50:17In here, they got to sit and look
- 50:18at a book, right, or color.
- 50:20When they weren't appropriate,
- 50:23they got to do nothing.
- 50:25Often they fell asleep when we did
- 50:27that, right?
- 50:28But it got less fun for them, and
- 50:30so they really quickly said, gosh,
- 50:32if I want to keep coloring, I've got
- 50:34to be quiet.
- 50:35And they learned to sit and to be
- 50:36quiet in that way.
- 50:38And so you want to figure out the
- 50:41best way to move them to where you'd
- 50:43like for them to be here with us in
- 50:46the room, right?
- 50:48Remember that training area is there
- 50:50to serve you and to help you in
- 50:52eventually bringing kids over here.
- 50:54Don't put them down.
- 50:56Make them sit in your lap in here.
- 50:58Maybe they can sit in a chair out
- 50:59over there.
- 50:59Maybe make them sit in your lap so
- 51:02it's less fun in that way.
- 51:05So moms of nursing infants, you know
- 51:08there's a nursing room there for you.
- 51:09Certainly happy to have you use that.
- 51:12So how we help you do it, let me
- 51:14just run this really quickly.
- 51:16We do have child care downstairs
- 51:17during this time for other meetings
- 51:20that we have.
- 51:22We understand not all families and
- 51:24visitors have children who are ready
- 51:26to sit through a Sunday gathering.
- 51:27Some aren't ready for it yet and are
- 51:29still in the process, right?
- 51:30They don't need to be put in the game
- 51:32yet.
- 51:32They still need to be trained at home.
- 51:35So training a child takes this time
- 51:37and patient sacrifice and we want to
- 51:40help.
- 51:40We want to be here to support you in
- 51:42that.
- 51:43The child care is provided with the
- 51:45short-term goal of accommodating
- 51:48visitors and we have had the family
- 51:50that walks in and we go, hey, did you
- 51:51know?
- 51:52And I go, I mean, they are not prepared
- 51:54at all for having their children sit with
- 51:57them in the service.
- 51:58What a great thing.
- 51:59We have child care.
- 52:00Hey, that's no problem.
- 52:01We'd love for your kids to come
- 52:02downstairs.
- 52:03That'd be totally okay.
- 52:05Okay.
- 52:06So that short-term goal and for also
- 52:08helping families with children in
- 52:10foster care, right?
- 52:11Children who are coming from being
- 52:14trained differently and trying to
- 52:16learn can be a very difficult thing.
- 52:18So we want to serve those families
- 52:19well.
- 52:20But also the long-term goal of helping
- 52:23new member parents who join our church
- 52:26or new parents transition their kids
- 52:29into sitting through worship.
- 52:31And so I want to encourage you to do
- 52:33that as quickly as you can.
- 52:35Like really try to work your kids up
- 52:37here as quickly as you can.
- 52:39Work them up here.
- 52:41If you wait till your child is three
- 52:43years old to start training him to
- 52:44sit in here, you're starting from
- 52:45ground zero.
- 52:46You might as well start earlier.
- 52:48That'd be my encouragement to you.
- 52:50I also know that we have those
- 52:51particularly tough, particularly tough
- 52:53days.
- 52:54And it's okay if you need to take a
- 52:56big deep breath and let somebody
- 52:58else hold your fussy one and a half
- 53:00year old while you sit and listen to
- 53:02a sermon.
- 53:03That's all right.
- 53:04But we want to encourage you to not
- 53:06take advantage of that for a long
- 53:07period of time.
- 53:09But find space to be working with
- 53:12your kids and to be bringing them up
- 53:14here with us eventually.
- 53:17I talked already about Aletheia Way.
- 53:20Meant to support, meant to show
- 53:22children that our church loves them.
- 53:24I love that you guys sing the kids
- 53:25song.
- 53:26That's such a good thing because it
- 53:27says to the kids that you're with
- 53:29them in this thing.
- 53:30We're not just all gawking at you
- 53:32like animals in a zoo.
- 53:34But we're with you in singing these
- 53:36wonderful, simple songs that we sing
- 53:39with the children.
- 53:41They need to feel love.
- 53:43They need to feel appreciated in our
- 53:46gathering together.
- 53:47Not like the, we want you just off in
- 53:49the corner quiet.
- 53:50But please come and participate with
- 53:53us.
- 53:53I love hearing the kids sing when we're
- 53:56singing our congregational songs
- 53:57together.
- 53:57That's a wonderful, wonderful thing.
- 54:00And they need to feel allowed to do
- 54:03that with us.
- 54:03So we hope that Aletheia Way does that
- 54:05and serves as an example, as I said,
- 54:07for how you can do it at home.
- 54:09How you can simply sit down with your
- 54:11kids and do the things of God with
- 54:14them in your home.
- 54:16I also mentioned previously Project
- 54:18Grow.
- 54:19It's a program aimed at teaching
- 54:20children the foundational truths of
- 54:22the Christian faith.
- 54:23And we're going to be using the New City
- 54:24Catechism, which is a systematic
- 54:26theology done in questions and answers
- 54:29that the kids will memorize to, again,
- 54:33come alongside to aid parents in this
- 54:36work.
- 54:37And then finally, encouragement.
- 54:40It's really important to understand that
- 54:42no family in our congregation has ever
- 54:44shown up at the door with perfectly
- 54:46behaved children.
- 54:47There's no such thing, really.
- 54:49So if you see families who are doing
- 54:52it well, ask questions.
- 54:57How are you doing this?
- 54:59It's going to be a rare family that's
- 55:00going to go, I don't know, our kids
- 55:01just quiet all the time.
- 55:03Had a couple of those kids.
- 55:05But for the most part, a lot of training
- 55:08went into helping kids sit quietly.
- 55:13And there is no need to feel embarrassed
- 55:15in our midst for the sake of a crying
- 55:17child.
- 55:18We get that it happens, right?
- 55:20Those of you who are non-parents,
- 55:22help parents who are like picking up a
- 55:24kid that's crying and walking out of
- 55:25this room by not acting like it matters.
- 55:28It doesn't matter.
- 55:29If you're so easily distracted, boy,
- 55:31you need to work on your focus.
- 55:33It's no big deal, right?
- 55:35Let them get up and walk out with
- 55:36every head turning as they go that way,
- 55:41right?
- 55:41There's no need to feel embarrassed when
- 55:43the kid's having a rough day and you
- 55:46have to go do some disciplinary action.
- 55:50We've all gone through the training process
- 55:51and we're really happy.
- 55:53We rejoice to walk alongside you as you do
- 55:56this thing.
- 55:57And so I hope that this bit of time,
- 56:00and again, I know this is abnormal.
- 56:01I feel like I've got to just read something
- 56:03from the Bible real quick.
- 56:04This is a lot to work out of a couple of
- 56:08very simple commands, right?
- 56:11The responsibility of child raising is laid
- 56:15on the shoulders of parents.
- 56:17So we want to keep thinking about how do we
- 56:19do this really well together because we
- 56:23want these kids, right, to repent and believe
- 56:26in the gospel of Jesus Christ.
- 56:28We want to see genuine faith in our children
- 56:32and we're going to have to help parents do that,
- 56:35right?
- 56:35We want to come together to be intergenerational
- 56:39to aid them in the process of raising up their
- 56:43children in the fear and admonition of the Lord.
- 56:46Let's pray together.
- 56:47Let's pray together.