Latest / DISGRACELAND / Dolly Parton: How the Country Icon Nearly Became the Subject of Her Own Murder Ballad
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- 0:00Speaker 1: All right, guys, here we are. We've got another rewind
- 0:01Speaker 1: for you this week. We are rewinding our Dolly Parton episode.
- 0:04Speaker 1: Dolly Parton just passed away. And back on July 21st, 2026,
- 0:11Speaker 1: we just released an episode on Dolly Parton. It tackles
- 0:15Speaker 1: her fame. It tackles the death threats against her life.
- 0:17Speaker 1: It tackles the way in which she navigated her career
- 0:22Speaker 1: through a male-dominated music industry. It looks at how murder
- 0:26Speaker 1: ballads informed not only her songwriting but her life. And
- 0:32Speaker 1: there's so much to say about Dolly Parton, not only
- 0:35Speaker 1: as an artist, as one of the greatest American songwriters
- 0:38Speaker 1: of all time, but also as a human being. It's
- 0:41Speaker 1: too much to get into right here in the pre.
- 0:43Speaker 1: You can hear our thoughts on her and more on
- 0:48Speaker 1: her career in this episode, obviously. But if you want
- 0:51Speaker 1: more on just her as a person and how she
- 0:54Speaker 1: has impacted me and the way that I live my life.
- 0:57Speaker 1: You can listen to the last after party bonus episode
- 0:59Speaker 1: where we pay tribute to Dolly as well. Anyways, here's
- 1:02Speaker 1: the Dolly Parton episode. Rest in peace, Dolly.
- 1:05Speaker 2: You will never, ever be forgotten and you will never
- 1:07Speaker 2: be replaced. This episode contains content that may be disturbing
- 1:12Speaker 2: to some listeners. Please check the show notes for more information.
- 1:16Speaker 1: Disgraceland is a production of Double Elvis. This is the
- 1:33Speaker 1: story of a murder ballad. A song about a girl
- 1:36Speaker 1: from Knoxville. A girl led down to the river by
- 1:40Speaker 1: a man who claimed to love her. A man who
- 1:42Speaker 1: could not possess her, so he bludgeoned her. It's also
- 1:48Speaker 1: the story of Dolly Parton, a songwriter raised on songs
- 1:53Speaker 1: like the one about the Knoxville girl. Murder ballads, songs
- 1:57Speaker 1: of jealousy, heartbreak. These are the songs that Dolly Parton
- 2:02Speaker 1: was raised on. A country star whose music was darker, stranger,
- 2:07Speaker 1: and more dangerous than her pop culture image would lead
- 2:11Speaker 1: us to believe. Dolly Parton was coveted by powerful men
- 2:16Speaker 1: and she was threatened by violent men. But Dolly Parton
- 2:21Speaker 1: refused to become the possession of any man. And she
- 2:25Speaker 1: did so all while making truly great music. Some of
- 2:30Speaker 1: the greatest country music to ever cross over onto the
- 2:33Speaker 1: pop charts. It was unlike that clip that I played
- 2:36Speaker 1: for you at the top of the show. That wasn't
- 2:39Speaker 1: great music. That was a preset loop from my Mellotron
- 2:43Speaker 1: called Dollywoodland MK2. I played you that loop because I
- 2:49Speaker 1: can't afford the rights to Down Under by Men at Work.
- 2:54Speaker 1: And why would I play you that specific slice of
- 2:57Speaker 1: Vegemite sandwich cheese? Could I afford it? Because that was
- 3:02Speaker 1: the number one song in America on January 15th, 1983.
- 3:08Speaker 1: And that was the day that Dolly Parton received the
- 3:10Speaker 1: second in a string of death threats that forced her
- 3:14Speaker 1: to cancel shows and hire a private detective. It nearly
- 3:17Speaker 1: derailed what was to become an unprecedented career. On this episode,
- 3:24Speaker 1: death threats, murder ballots, powerful and violent men, the Knoxville girl,
- 3:31Speaker 1: Dolly Parton. I'm Jake Brennan and this is Disgraceland. What
- 3:37Speaker 1: did I know about Dolly.
- 3:40Speaker 2: Parton as a.
- 3:58Speaker 1: Little hardcore kid growing up in the 1980s and the 1990s. Well,
- 4:03Speaker 1: here are a few things. One, I knew she sang
- 4:06Speaker 1: that duet with Kenny Rogers, Islands in the Stream. You
- 4:10Speaker 1: could not escape that song. It was everywhere. And it
- 4:13Speaker 1: was also very cheesy. Two, I knew that Dolly Parton
- 4:16Speaker 1: was in that movie 9 to 5. Secretaries retaliating against
- 4:20Speaker 1: their sexist boss, all that stuff. And from what I
- 4:23Speaker 1: could tell, that movie was set in an office with
- 4:25Speaker 1: adults making copies and answering telephones. And to me at
- 4:30Speaker 1: that age was pretty boring and also pretty cheesy. Three,
- 4:35Speaker 1: I knew that Dolly Parton, well, she was kind of
- 4:39Speaker 1: a goofball. She may have been a goodwill ambassador for
- 4:43Speaker 1: country music, but I had no idea about any of that.
- 4:46Speaker 1: She just looked boring. manufactured, put together, big star, big hair,
- 4:50Speaker 1: gravity-defying figure, you know what I'm talking about, the aw
- 4:55Speaker 1: shucks southern drawl. She was a caricature. And she always
- 4:59Speaker 1: seemed happy, like too happy. To me, at that age,
- 5:03Speaker 1: Dolly Parton did not seem authentic at all. Which, that
- 5:08Speaker 1: time of my life, was something that I was very
- 5:10Speaker 1: concerned about. That's what I wanted from my music. That's
- 5:12Speaker 1: what I wanted from the movies that I watched. That's
- 5:13Speaker 1: what I wanted from my icons. I didn't have the
- 5:15Speaker 1: cultural perspective that I have now. What I'm trying to
- 5:18Speaker 1: say is I wasn't sophisticated enough to appreciate Dolly Parton
- 5:22Speaker 1: then as a young 14-year-old or whatever. I wanted authenticity.
- 5:26Speaker 1: I wanted danger. I wanted punk rock. I wanted loud guitars.
- 5:30Speaker 1: So I ignored Dolly Parton. I had no idea that
- 5:33Speaker 1: she was an accomplished songwriter, prolific even. Now, I don't
- 5:38Speaker 1: know what the count was back then, but recently Dolly
- 5:41Speaker 1: has estimated that the total number of songs... that she's
- 5:44Speaker 1: written is in the range of 3,000 songs. That's incredible.
- 5:49Speaker 1: And one of those songs just so happens to be
- 5:52Speaker 1: I Will Always Love You, which Whitney Houston turned into
- 5:56Speaker 1: one of the biggest hits of all time, quite literally,
- 5:59Speaker 1: when she covered that Dolly Parton song for the soundtrack
- 6:02Speaker 1: to the 1993 film The Bodyguard. And just like Islands
- 6:07Speaker 1: in the Stream, this song was everywhere. But this song
- 6:10Speaker 1: was the first single to ever stay at the number
- 6:14Speaker 1: one spot for 14 straight weeks. Now, I had no
- 6:18Speaker 1: idea at the time that Dolly Parton wrote that song.
- 6:20Speaker 1: I had no idea that she wrote it way back
- 6:22Speaker 1: in 1973 when she was just 27 years old or
- 6:26Speaker 1: that she wrote it on the same day that she
- 6:30Speaker 1: wrote her other greatest song, Jolene. And yeah, I too
- 6:35Speaker 1: have heard this supposed fact has been debunked, but Dolly
- 6:38Speaker 1: Parton herself told a friend of mine, Bobby Bones, back
- 6:42Speaker 1: in 2019, that yes, she did write both of those
- 6:45Speaker 1: songs at the same time. That was a good writing day,
- 6:48Speaker 1: she said. Are you kidding me? A good writing day.
- 6:52Speaker 1: That's like if Paul McCartney wrote Yesterday and Eleanor Rigby
- 6:57Speaker 1: on the same day. That day, the day that Dolly
- 7:00Speaker 1: Parton wrote I Will Always Love You and Jolene. Well,
- 7:06Speaker 1: it's got to be in the running. for the greatest
- 7:08Speaker 1: day in the history of songwriting. It was 1974 when
- 7:14Speaker 1: Dolly Parton's original version of I Will Always Love You
- 7:17Speaker 1: first hit number one on the country chart. The song
- 7:21Speaker 1: made her a lot of new fans. Fans like Elvis Presley.
- 7:26Speaker 1: The king himself decided that he wanted to cover that song.
- 7:29Speaker 1: His manager, the notorious Colonel Tom Parker, gave Dolly Parton
- 7:34Speaker 1: the good news. And Dolly was beside herself. She was
- 7:37Speaker 1: just a kid when Elvis thrust himself onto the scene.
- 7:41Speaker 1: And like millions of other Americans, she idolized Elvis Presley.
- 7:45Speaker 1: But there was a caveat. As Colonel Parker explained, for
- 7:49Speaker 1: Elvis to cover the tune, Dolly Parton would have to
- 7:52Speaker 1: sign over all publishing rights. Which may not have been
- 7:57Speaker 1: the norm, but it was the Colonel's norm. And which
- 8:01Speaker 1: would mean that Elvis and the Colonel, not Dolly Parton,
- 8:04Speaker 1: would make money off of future royalties of the song
- 8:07Speaker 1: that she wrote. Now again, Dolly Parton was just 27
- 8:12Speaker 1: years old at the time, and Elvis Presley was 39.
- 8:16Speaker 1: Colonel Parker was a 300-year-old vampire with a nose for
- 8:19Speaker 1: fresh blood. Right, not exactly, but you get my point.
- 8:22Speaker 1: The guy was manipulative. And although Dolly Parton was the
- 8:28Speaker 1: youngest participant in this particular scenario, Dolly nonetheless had the
- 8:32Speaker 1: wisdom to know that no one, Not even Elvis Presley
- 8:36Speaker 1: should possess her music. So with a heavy heart, she
- 8:40Speaker 1: told the Colonel Tom Parker that she was out. Elvis
- 8:44Speaker 1: could not have her song. She turned down the king.
- 8:48Speaker 1: That difficult decision, though, it paid dividends. Two decades later,
- 8:53Speaker 1: Whitney Houston sings I Will Always Love You, and Dolly
- 8:56Speaker 1: Parton makes $ 10 million in royalties. That figure, $ 10 million,
- 9:02Speaker 1: That's just what she made in the 1990s alone from
- 9:05Speaker 1: that song. Her refusal to give in to Elvis Presley
- 9:08Speaker 1: and Colonel Tom Parker, it continues to put millions of
- 9:12Speaker 1: dollars into Dolly Parton's bank account to this day. But
- 9:16Speaker 1: I Will Always Love You wasn't just a moneymaker for
- 9:19Speaker 1: Dolly Parton, nor was it simply one of the most
- 9:22Speaker 1: bittersweet breakup ballads of all time. It was a song
- 9:25Speaker 1: Dolly Parton wrote to save herself from becoming the possession
- 9:29Speaker 1: of a powerful man. And to understand all that, first
- 9:33Speaker 1: you have to understand what I didn't understand about Dolly
- 9:36Speaker 1: Parton when I was younger. You must understand that authenticity
- 9:40Speaker 1: and danger were there all along. Authenticity and danger are
- 9:46Speaker 1: where Dolly Parton comes from. It was 1964 when Dolly
- 9:51Speaker 1: Parton arrived in Nashville, Tennessee. She was 18 years old.
- 9:55Speaker 1: Back home in Sevier County and in nearby Knoxville, she
- 9:59Speaker 1: was already making waves. She wrote songs with her Uncle Bill,
- 10:03Speaker 1: and she performed on radio and TV shows. But Nashville
- 10:07Speaker 1: was no Knoxville, and it certainly wasn't Sevier County. She
- 10:11Speaker 1: was turned down by just about every record label in town.
- 10:15Speaker 1: Every label, except for one. Monument Records. which had some
- 10:19Speaker 1: recent success with Roy Orbison and Willie Nelson, signed Dolly
- 10:23Speaker 1: Parton to a record team. But the label's owner, Fred Foster,
- 10:27Speaker 1: seemed to fundamentally miscalculate Dolly Parton from the jump, as
- 10:31Speaker 1: many others, myself included, would continue to do for years.
- 10:36Speaker 1: Fred Foster had her perform material written by other songwriters,
- 10:40Speaker 1: marketing her not as a country singer, but as a
- 10:43Speaker 1: young pop ingenue. It would be three years until Dolly
- 10:47Speaker 1: would finally get the chance to prove herself as a
- 10:49Speaker 1: country singer on her 1967 debut album, Hello, I'm Dolly.
- 10:56Speaker 1: This all strikes me as very strange because Fred Foster
- 11:00Speaker 1: had also signed Dolly to a publishing deal. Publishing is
- 11:04Speaker 1: a business instrument designed to make songwriters money. Dolly Parton
- 11:09Speaker 1: clearly wrote songs. She clearly wrote very dark songs that
- 11:13Speaker 1: were in conversation with the dark Appalachian folk songs that
- 11:16Speaker 1: she'd heard as a child. It was almost like there
- 11:19Speaker 1: was a refusal on the record executive's part to confront
- 11:21Speaker 1: the darkness that was at Dolly's core, likely because it
- 11:25Speaker 1: did not compute that this happy, energetic, well-adjusted, driven young
- 11:30Speaker 1: woman was capable of such darkness. But Dolly Parton, was
- 11:35Speaker 1: raised on this darkness. She was raised on dark songs.
- 11:39Speaker 1: Songs from England and Wales brought over to America to
- 11:43Speaker 1: where Dolly spent her childhood in eastern Tennessee. These songs
- 11:48Speaker 1: were intimate with the more evil aspects of human nature.
- 11:52Speaker 1: And perhaps paradoxically, these songs made the hard times easier
- 11:57Speaker 1: to endure. Hard times which befell a family of 14
- 12:01Speaker 1: living in a two-room cabin with no electricity or running water.
- 12:06Speaker 1: Dahlia has spoken about something that she calls the sorrow
- 12:09Speaker 1: chord being in her blood. A chord upon which these
- 12:12Speaker 1: songs of jealousy, heartbreak, pain, and death are built. These
- 12:18Speaker 1: are more than songs. These are murder ballads. Ballads in
- 12:22Speaker 1: which a woman is lured by a man, lured into
- 12:25Speaker 1: the woods, lured down by the water, lured upon false pretenses,
- 12:29Speaker 1: only to be brutally killed in cold blood. And why
- 12:34Speaker 1: does the man do this? Why does this always happen
- 12:38Speaker 1: in these songs? Well, sometimes the killer is looking to
- 12:43Speaker 1: escape responsibility, say marriage or fatherhood. So he kills his
- 12:49Speaker 1: would-be wife or his would-be mother of his child. Other times,
- 12:53Speaker 1: as the astute professor of murder ballads Nick Cave once
- 12:56Speaker 1: put it, the killing is a desire born out of
- 12:59Speaker 1: nothing else but, quote, murderous male attention. and nefarious transferred
- 13:04Speaker 1: erotic desire, unquote. That's a fancy way of saying that
- 13:09Speaker 1: the only way that this man feels he can truly
- 13:11Speaker 1: possess the woman is to take her life. These were
- 13:15Speaker 1: the songs of Dolly Parton's childhood. There was Pretty Polly,
- 13:19Speaker 1: Barbara Allen, Down in the Willow Garden. And there was
- 13:23Speaker 1: that one song, a song Dolly first heard when she
- 13:26Speaker 1: was sitting on the front steps of her modest family
- 13:28Speaker 1: home there at the foot of the Great Smoky Mountains.
- 13:31Speaker 1: Everyone within a hundred mile radius of Knoxville had heard
- 13:34Speaker 1: that song. The song about the Knoxville girl. Willie Miller
- 13:44Speaker 1: was wearing his Sunday best on a Saturday night. Nice shirt,
- 13:48Speaker 1: nice slacks, his one decent pair of shoes. He knew
- 13:52Speaker 1: he looked good, and so he walked like it. Back straight,
- 13:57Speaker 1: head held high, one foot confidently striding after the other.
- 14:01Speaker 1: A warm breeze blew in from the east, and with it,
- 14:05Speaker 1: Willie could hear the call of the Bobwhites from out
- 14:07Speaker 1: in the fields. Three short cries in quick succession. Lonesome,
- 14:12Speaker 1: yet hopeful. Just like Willie here. These days, however, the
- 14:17Speaker 1: scales favored hope. Because tonight, Willie was on his way
- 14:22Speaker 1: to the house of one Louisa May Brown, the prettiest
- 14:25Speaker 1: girl in all of Knoxville. Or so Willie liked to think.
- 14:30Speaker 1: Each week, Willie would walk over to her place, and
- 14:33Speaker 1: each week they would talk, and sometimes they would sit
- 14:36Speaker 1: in awkward silence. But tonight, upon Willie's arrival, Louisa May
- 14:42Speaker 1: announced that she would like to go on a walk.
- 14:45Speaker 1: So Willie took the prettiest girl in all of Knoxville
- 14:47Speaker 1: by the hand, and they walked through town and into
- 14:50Speaker 1: the tall grass, down by the Tennessee River. The sound
- 14:53Speaker 1: of the bobwhites had been overtaken now by the sound
- 14:56Speaker 1: of rushing water. by the belching of frogs, or maybe
- 14:59Speaker 1: it was toads along the riverbed. Willie didn't know which
- 15:02Speaker 1: it was, a frog or a toad, and they were
- 15:05Speaker 1: all the same to him, slimy amphibious blobs with bulging
- 15:08Speaker 1: little eyes. But Willie wasn't thinking about frogs or toads
- 15:12Speaker 1: at the moment. He was thinking about Louisa May. He
- 15:16Speaker 1: stared into her eyes, deep blue. He stared so hard,
- 15:21Speaker 1: he thought he'd get lost. He wanted her. The desire
- 15:25Speaker 1: was unlike anything he'd ever felt before. It was more
- 15:29Speaker 1: than lust and much more than love. Love was a
- 15:33Speaker 1: puppy dog's game. This was a feeling rumbling there in
- 15:36Speaker 1: his gut, eating at him from the inside out. He
- 15:40Speaker 1: couldn't handle it much longer. He needed her. So he
- 15:44Speaker 1: took her. It all happened so fast that Louisa May
- 15:48Speaker 1: could hardly process it. First, Willie was bending down to
- 15:52Speaker 1: the ground, Next, he was standing up straight with a
- 15:55Speaker 1: large stick gripped tightly in his hand, and then he
- 15:59Speaker 1: swung the stick like that stiff Knoxville breeze and hit
- 16:02Speaker 1: Louisa May in the side of the head, dropping the
- 16:05Speaker 1: prettiest girl in town down to her knees, where she
- 16:08Speaker 1: begged Willie Miller to spare her life. Porter Wagoner wasn't
- 16:42Speaker 1: the most powerful man in Nashville. But if we're talking
- 16:45Speaker 1: about country music on TV in the late 1960s, in
- 16:49Speaker 1: that case, he was practically untouchable. The lanky frame and
- 16:53Speaker 1: the blonde pompadour, the eye-catching nudie suits, Porter Wagoner was
- 16:58Speaker 1: country music's on-screen gatekeeper. His syndicated TV program, which ran
- 17:04Speaker 1: on close to 100 stations in the United States and Canada,
- 17:08Speaker 1: could make a singer. It could sell a record, and
- 17:12Speaker 1: it did so with Porter's tastemaking stamp of approval. But
- 17:17Speaker 1: one thing was clear. That was Porter Wagoner's name up
- 17:20Speaker 1: there on the title card. Porter Wagoner was the main attraction.
- 17:25Speaker 1: Not his band, not the guests who appeared each week,
- 17:28Speaker 1: and not the so-called girl singer who shared the spotlight
- 17:32Speaker 1: as his duet partner in a Beauty and the Beast
- 17:35Speaker 1: kind of way. Norma Jean was that girl singer. but
- 17:39Speaker 1: Norma Jean wanted to take her secret affair with Porter
- 17:42Speaker 1: Wagoner to the next level. And Porter Wagoner did not.
- 17:46Speaker 1: So Norma Jean was out. You could call it a
- 17:50Speaker 1: lucky break for Dolly Parton to step into Norma Jean's
- 17:53Speaker 1: shoes in 1967, the same year Monument released her debut album.
- 17:58Speaker 1: If so, you'd be half right. Dolly Parton wasn't the
- 18:01Speaker 1: type to wait around for luck to give her a boost.
- 18:04Speaker 1: She did the boosting. She'd been sending Porter demos for months,
- 18:08Speaker 1: And like Fred Foster at Monument before him, Porter was impressed.
- 18:13Speaker 1: Not only with Dolly's voice, but with her original songs.
- 18:16Speaker 1: Dolly was hired to appear on the show and on tour,
- 18:19Speaker 1: and in return, she was compensated $ 60, 000 a year. $ 60, 000
- 18:25Speaker 1: in 1967. That's equivalent to well over half a million
- 18:28Speaker 1: dollars today. It was the kind of money that no
- 18:31Speaker 1: one in Dolly's family had ever seen before. And perhaps
- 18:34Speaker 1: the only thing more shocking than her salary... was the
- 18:37Speaker 1: backlash she got from Porter's audience. They wanted Norma Jean.
- 18:42Speaker 1: They wanted Norma Jean the way the kids at the
- 18:44Speaker 1: Cavern Club wanted Pete Best when he first got the
- 18:47Speaker 1: sack from the Beatles. But just like it didn't take
- 18:50Speaker 1: long for the Beatlemaniacs to warm up to Ringo Starr,
- 18:53Speaker 1: it didn't take long for anyone watching Porter's show to
- 18:56Speaker 1: realize that Dolly Parton was the real deal. Realer even
- 19:00Speaker 1: than Norma Jean ever was. Darker, too. Her own songs,
- 19:05Speaker 1: sung with Porter, plucked the sorrow chord that was part
- 19:08Speaker 1: of her DNA. Songs like Jeannie's Afraid of the Dark,
- 19:14Speaker 1: written after the daughter of Dolly's cousin, was killed in
- 19:18Speaker 1: a hit-and-run. Jeannie, the only child, up late at night,
- 19:23Speaker 1: her heart pounding. Something is lurking there in the shadows.
- 19:28Speaker 1: She runs to her parents' room and crawls into their bed.
- 19:31Speaker 1: She feels safe at last. And her heart slows. Then, sleep.
- 19:38Speaker 1: At daybreak, the three of them take flowers to the
- 19:40Speaker 1: family graveyard. Jeannie's gaze falls to the headstones and to
- 19:44Speaker 1: the grass growing over the dearly departed. She imagines what
- 19:48Speaker 1: it's like to be buried underground. She tells her parents
- 19:40Speaker 1: this because somewhere deep inside, Jeannie knows that death will
- 19:44Speaker 1: come for her soon. She doesn't know how she knows this,
- 20:08Speaker 1: but she knows it'll happen while she is still far
- 20:10Speaker 1: too young. It'll leave her parents shattered and directionless. And
- 20:15Speaker 1: when Jeannie's premonition does come true, when death's black cloak
- 20:20Speaker 1: snuffs out the sun, Jeannie's fear of the dark weighs
- 20:23Speaker 1: heavy on the minds of those who loved her. So
- 20:26Speaker 1: on top of Jeannie's grave, they place an eternal flame,
- 20:30Speaker 1: and it burns hot and bright. So bright, it's said,
- 20:34Speaker 1: that even on the darkest night, there's always light. Even
- 20:41Speaker 1: on the darkest night, there's always a light. That line
- 20:45Speaker 1: from Dolly Parton's song, Genie's Afraid of the Dark, was
- 20:48Speaker 1: relevant now more than ever. It was 1973, and the
- 20:54Speaker 1: light was moving Dolly forward. The light was the muse.
- 20:57Speaker 1: The light was the songs that came to her so
- 21:00Speaker 1: often that she had to write them down on napkins, envelopes, matchbooks,
- 21:03Speaker 1: whatever she could get her hands on. She wrote one
- 21:06Speaker 1: of her signature songs, Coat of Many Colors, in ten
- 21:09Speaker 1: minutes flat while riding the tour bus. She wrote Jolene
- 21:13Speaker 1: after a fan with that name asked her for an autograph.
- 21:16Speaker 1: And as she ran to find something to write with,
- 21:18Speaker 1: Dolly kept repeating the name over and over and over
- 21:21Speaker 1: in her head so that she wouldn't forget it. Jolene, Jolene, Jolene, Jolene.
- 21:28Speaker 1: And in doing so, unexpectedly wrote that iconic refrain. But
- 21:33Speaker 1: though her light was burning bright, The proverbial dark nights
- 21:36Speaker 1: were growing darker. Yes, Dolly and Porter were wildly successful together. Success, however,
- 21:43Speaker 1: was not enough for Dolly. She didn't want to be
- 21:46Speaker 1: the girl singer forever. Nor did she want Porter romantically
- 21:50Speaker 1: like Norma Jean had before her. She had a husband
- 21:53Speaker 1: at home, Carl Dean. A man she'd married when she
- 21:57Speaker 1: was 21 and Carl was 23. A man who gladly
- 22:00Speaker 1: stepped aside and let Dolly and her career take precedence
- 22:04Speaker 1: over everything else. Carl Dean set a high bar. Dolly
- 22:08Speaker 1: expected Porter to meet her at that high bar. What
- 22:12Speaker 1: Dolly wanted from Porter was to be involved in the
- 22:14Speaker 1: creative direction of both the television show and the tour.
- 22:18Speaker 1: What Dolly wanted was a seat at the table. But
- 22:21Speaker 1: Dolly refused to let Porter possess her. And it drove
- 22:24Speaker 1: Porter crazy. It drove him to violence. He tore framed
- 22:29Speaker 1: photos from the wall. He kicked over tables and chairs.
- 22:32Speaker 1: He reminded her. with all the subtlety of a firearm
- 22:35Speaker 1: brimstone Pentecostal preacher, that she belonged to him, not the
- 22:39Speaker 1: other way around. But Dolly Parton belonged to no one,
- 22:44Speaker 1: not even to the man waiting for her at home.
- 22:46Speaker 1: Which brings us back to I Will Always Love You,
- 22:49Speaker 1: which Dolly wrote at this exact moment of crisis. It
- 22:53Speaker 1: was always more than just another Dolly Parton song. It
- 22:56Speaker 1: was a breakup song, yes, but just not the kind
- 22:58Speaker 1: of breakup song you're thinking of. It was Dolly breaking
- 23:02Speaker 1: up with her mentor and musical partner, Porter Wagoner. Because
- 23:06Speaker 1: Dolly had ambitions that went far beyond the roost that
- 23:09Speaker 1: Porter ruled and far beyond capital C country. These ambitions
- 23:15Speaker 1: were nearly thwarted as she became coveted by increasingly controlling
- 23:18Speaker 1: and deluded men. And I'm not talking about Porter Wagoner
- 23:21Speaker 1: or Colonel Tom Parker. I'm talking about the murderous and
- 23:25Speaker 1: nefarious desire which our murder ballad loving guy Nick Cave
- 23:29Speaker 1: once spoke of. The very same one which overtook Willie
- 23:33Speaker 1: Miller when he killed that Knoxville girl. Louisa May felt
- 23:41Speaker 1: a trickle of blood run down the side of her
- 23:43Speaker 1: face as her knees sank into the mud. The earth
- 23:47Speaker 1: was soft and pungent here next to the Tennessee River.
- 23:50Speaker 1: Her body was shaking. She tilted her head skyward. She
- 23:54Speaker 1: wanted to look directly into the eyes of the man
- 23:56Speaker 1: who just struck her. She wanted to know why. Why
- 24:00Speaker 1: did he pick up that stick? Why did he bludgeon
- 24:03Speaker 1: her with it? She blinked and tried to focus. Please, Willie,
- 24:08Speaker 1: she sobbed, her tears tasting bitter and salty on her
- 24:11Speaker 1: trembling lips. Please, Willie, please don't hit me again. Willie
- 24:15Speaker 1: Miller seemed taller to her now, more imposing. He was
- 24:19Speaker 1: a shadow, a blackened silhouette upon which the sun refused
- 24:23Speaker 1: to cast even a sliver of light. Louisa May began
- 24:26Speaker 1: to plead again. Willie, I beg you.
- 24:30Speaker 2: When?
- 24:30Speaker 1: That moment, Willie brought the stick down on Louisa May's
- 24:33Speaker 1: head once more. And the stick cracked this time, breaking
- 24:37Speaker 1: in two. And the blood gushed, a thick stream of
- 24:40Speaker 1: it rushing like the Tennessee River. Louisa May's body went
- 24:44Speaker 1: face down into the mud, dead. Willie watched the blood
- 24:48Speaker 1: ooze from the girl's body. It painted the earth a deep,
- 24:52Speaker 1: thick crimson red. He grabbed Louisa May by her hair.
- 24:56Speaker 1: He dragged her to the edge of the river, pushing
- 24:58Speaker 1: her body into the water and It was a small splash,
- 25:02Speaker 1: and then her body began to slowly drift away. It
- 25:06Speaker 1: was a while until she receded from the view, and
- 25:09Speaker 1: it would be a while longer still before Willie Miller
- 25:12Speaker 1: began to truly understand what he had just done. We'll
- 25:20Speaker 1: be right back after this word, word, word. Saturday night
- 25:29Speaker 1: on the Jamboree, I'm gonna kill Dolly Parton. This is
- 25:33Speaker 1: what a caller who identified himself only as the Man
- 25:36Speaker 1: in Black told Buddy Ray, the DJ, at WWVA in Wheeling,
- 25:40Speaker 1: West Virginia. It was on or around March 25th, 1976.
- 25:44Speaker 1: The call came in late, during Buddy's overnight shift, just
- 25:48Speaker 1: days before Dolly Parton's two sold-out shows at WWVA's Jamboree,
- 25:53Speaker 1: Wheeling's version of the Grand Ole Op. No sooner had
- 25:57Speaker 1: the caller hung up than the station's phone rang a
- 25:59Speaker 1: second time. Buddy picked up the receiver. The man in
- 26:03Speaker 1: black spoke once more. To show you that I'm not kidding,
- 26:06Speaker 1: it'll be at the second show, from the left side.
- 26:11Speaker 1: Wheeling PD was out in full force on the evening
- 26:14Speaker 1: of Saturday, March 27th, 1976, the date of Dolly's Jamboree performance.
- 26:20Speaker 1: Uniformed and plainclothes cops surveyed the scene in and around
- 26:24Speaker 1: the theater where thousands awaited the 1975 Country Music Association's
- 26:28Speaker 1: Female Vocalist of the Year. But there would be no
- 26:31Speaker 1: show that night. Dolly's management didn't want to risk that
- 26:35Speaker 1: the self-professed men in black would publicly murder her as promised.
- 26:40Speaker 1: And it was more than just the two Jamboree shows
- 26:42Speaker 1: that were canceled. 65 additional shows were canceled throughout the
- 26:46Speaker 1: summer of 1976. Dolly lost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
- 26:51Speaker 1: She was even forced to lay off the musicians in
- 26:53Speaker 1: her band. Here's the thing, though. I don't think that
- 26:57Speaker 1: Dolly shut down her summer that year because of a
- 27:00Speaker 1: death threat. Dolly did not scare easily. Her skin was
- 27:04Speaker 1: made thick by the kerosene, cornmeal, and quilting needles used
- 27:07Speaker 1: to patch up major injuries she sustained as a child.
- 27:11Speaker 1: By this point, she was carrying a. 38 caliber pistol
- 27:14Speaker 1: in her purse at all times. And just a few
- 27:16Speaker 1: days later, when police arrested the man in black, a.k.a.
- 27:19Speaker 1: 30-year-old Robert Elliott of Wheeling, and charged him with making
- 27:22Speaker 1: threatening phone calls, Dolly told a local paper, quote, I
- 27:26Speaker 1: wasn't all that shook up about it, unquote. I wasn't
- 27:30Speaker 1: all that shook up about it is not the statement
- 27:32Speaker 1: of a woman petrified by a phone call to a
- 27:34Speaker 1: radio station, right? Okay, so this is what I think happened.
- 27:41Speaker 1: I think that Dolly was preparing to implement a hard
- 27:43Speaker 1: reset in her career so that she could cross over
- 27:46Speaker 1: from country to pop. But a hard reset requires a disruption.
- 27:51Speaker 1: And I think that the incident in Wheeling gave her
- 27:53Speaker 1: something to blame said disruption on. Because this is the
- 27:58Speaker 1: moment when Dolly sought out new representation, not in Nashville,
- 28:03Speaker 1: but in L.A. This is the moment that she hired
- 28:06Speaker 1: a new group of musicians, the Gypsy Band, who were
- 28:09Speaker 1: more West Coast rock and roll than country. This is
- 28:13Speaker 1: the moment when she started partying at Studio 54 with
- 28:16Speaker 1: John Belushi, Jack Nicholson, Calvin Klein, Mick Jagger, and Andy Warhol.
- 28:21Speaker 1: This is when she appeared in Playboy magazine. Though, no,
- 28:25Speaker 1: she didn't pose nude, you pervert, so quit thinking that.
- 28:27Speaker 1: And this is when, one year later in 1977, she
- 28:31Speaker 1: released the country pop crossover album, Here You Come Again.
- 28:35Speaker 1: Its title track hit number one on the country chart
- 28:37Speaker 1: and number three on the Billboard Hot 100. And although
- 28:41Speaker 1: she did it as, to paraphrase the LA Times, as
- 28:44Speaker 1: Robert Hilburn, the most important ambassador for country music since
- 28:48Speaker 1: Johnny Cash, Dolly Parton's ambition and solo success continued to
- 28:52Speaker 1: piss off the old guard back in Tennessee. Her one-time
- 28:56Speaker 1: duet partner and mentor, Porter Wagoner, degraded her in the press.
- 29:00Speaker 1: He shamed her for her Playboy photo shoot. He used
- 29:03Speaker 1: a racist analogy to condemn her combination of country and
- 29:06Speaker 1: pop music. And then he sued her for breach of contract.
- 29:10Speaker 1: He wanted a portion of the money she'd made since
- 29:12Speaker 1: she left him all those years ago. Over $ 3 million
- 29:15Speaker 1: in total. And when the case settled out of court
- 29:17Speaker 1: right before it was set to go to trial, Dolly
- 29:20Speaker 1: was on the hook for not three, but still she
- 29:22Speaker 1: was on the hook for $ 1 million. $ 1 million. which
- 29:25Speaker 1: she then began to pay off using money she earned
- 29:28Speaker 1: for her part in a project that you could say
- 29:30Speaker 1: was the greatest fuck you since Marvin Gaye released his
- 29:33Speaker 1: divorce album, Here My Dear, to pay his alimony debts.
- 29:38Speaker 1: Nine to five. to 5 was a smash hit. Released
- 29:44Speaker 1: in 1980, the movie starred Dolly Parton, Jane Fonda, and
- 29:48Speaker 1: Lily Tomlin as disgruntled office workers who get revenge on
- 29:53Speaker 1: their chauvinistic boss, played by Dabney Coleman, who, if you
- 29:56Speaker 1: squint hard enough, kind of sort of reminds one of
- 29:59Speaker 1: Porter Wagoner. And you can easily make the connection between
- 30:02Speaker 1: Dolly and Dabney Coleman's secretary on screen and Dolly as
- 30:05Speaker 1: Porter Wagoner's girl singer in real life. The revenge was sweet,
- 30:11Speaker 1: both on and off screen for Dolly Parton. 9 to
- 30:15Speaker 1: 5 was the second highest grossing movie of the year,
- 30:18Speaker 1: right behind The Empire Strikes Back. Even better, its theme song,
- 30:23Speaker 1: written and performed by Dolly Parton, became Dolly Parton's first
- 30:27Speaker 1: number one hit on the pop chart. take that, Porter Wagoner.
- 30:34Speaker 1: But despite crossing over, despite all of her successes, Dolly
- 30:39Speaker 1: Parton continued to fight off the so-called nefarious transferred erotic
- 30:43Speaker 1: desire of men. She was forced to endure boob jokes
- 30:48Speaker 1: from George Hamilton at the Golden Globes, and she waited
- 30:51Speaker 1: until a commercial break while taping an episode of the
- 30:53Speaker 1: Merv Griffin show to tell the host to go fuck
- 30:57Speaker 1: off with all of his childish innuendos. And the stress
- 31:00Speaker 1: of it all, the number one movie, the number one song,
- 31:03Speaker 1: the gigs, the interviews, the tight schedules, more albums to
- 31:06Speaker 1: make and more movies to star in, it led to
- 31:09Speaker 1: a gradual physical breakdown of her 36-year-old body. Bleeding internally,
- 31:15Speaker 1: she nearly collapsed on the stage at the Indiana State Fair.
- 31:19Speaker 1: And she was flown to New York City, to St.
- 31:21Speaker 1: Luke's Hospital, where she underwent emergency surgery. What exactly was
- 31:27Speaker 1: done in that operating room has been speculated on at length,
- 31:30Speaker 1: and I don't need to further speculate here. But what
- 31:33Speaker 1: matters is that when Dolly returned to her home in
- 31:35Speaker 1: Nashville with her husband Carl at her side, she was,
- 31:38Speaker 1: perhaps for the first time in her life, creatively paralyzed.
- 31:42Speaker 1: All she could think about were the inevitable lawsuits, this
- 31:45Speaker 1: time not from Porter Wagoner, but from venues and from
- 31:48Speaker 1: the promoters of the shows that she'd been forced to cancel.
- 31:52Speaker 1: Unlike the last time she canceled a slate of performances...
- 31:55Speaker 1: This wasn't part of a master plan. This was where
- 31:59Speaker 1: the plan unraveled and fell apart for good. Dolly Parton
- 32:05Speaker 1: became depressed and withdrawn. She found herself opening a small
- 32:10Speaker 1: case that was stashed in her bedroom. Inside the case
- 32:13Speaker 1: was a gun that she kept for security and peace
- 32:16Speaker 1: of mind. Perhaps put there in the wake of that
- 32:19Speaker 1: man in black business. She picked up the gun. She
- 32:23Speaker 1: turned it over in her hand. She thought about pressing
- 32:26Speaker 1: it against her temple and pulling the trigger. This part
- 32:31Speaker 1: of Dolly's story reminds me of a song called The Bridge.
- 32:35Speaker 1: Dolly wrote it for her second album, Just Because I'm
- 32:37Speaker 1: a Woman, back in 1968. In the song, a woman
- 32:41Speaker 1: goes to a bridge where she kissed her lover for
- 32:43Speaker 1: the first time. Only now she is pregnant with this
- 32:45Speaker 1: man's child, and the man has since abandoned her. And
- 32:49Speaker 1: as the song progresses, the woman... racked with heartache and
- 32:52Speaker 1: pain and shame, inches closer to the edge of the bridge.
- 32:55Speaker 1: And the song ends with the line, Here is where
- 32:58Speaker 1: it started, and here is where I'll end it. And then,
- 33:02Speaker 1: that's it. The song is over. And we don't know
- 33:05Speaker 1: for sure if the woman jumped or not, although it's
- 33:08Speaker 1: definitely implied. And I wonder if Dolly Parton thought of
- 33:11Speaker 1: her own song as she was sitting on her bed
- 33:13Speaker 1: with a loaded pistol in her hand. She, like the
- 33:16Speaker 1: narrator of the bridge, was facing another moment of crisis.
- 33:19Speaker 1: A moment in which one sudden, hopeless impulse was the
- 33:23Speaker 1: difference between life and death. Willie Miller didn't notice all
- 33:31Speaker 1: the blood on his shirt. When he arrived back at
- 33:34Speaker 1: the small house he shared with his family, his mother
- 33:36Speaker 1: was the first to say something. And Willie looked down,
- 33:40Speaker 1: slightly dazed, only now seeing the deep red stain. It
- 33:44Speaker 1: was still wet to the touch. He shook his head
- 33:47Speaker 1: and told his mother to calm down. It was simply
- 33:49Speaker 1: a nosebleed, he reassured her. He went to his bedroom
- 33:53Speaker 1: and shut the door behind him. He climbed into the
- 33:55Speaker 1: bed and pulled the sheets up tight. Sleep came fast.
- 34:00Speaker 1: So did the dreams. And Willie tossed and turned as
- 34:03Speaker 1: the flames built up all around him. They were lapping
- 34:06Speaker 1: at the window and sprinting up the curtains. And they
- 34:09Speaker 1: burned all around his bed and licked at his bare feet.
- 34:12Speaker 1: He awoke in a cold sweat, sitting up straight. swatting
- 34:16Speaker 1: at the imaginary fire that had just fueled his nightmare.
- 34:20Speaker 1: There was a knock at his door. He opened it,
- 34:23Speaker 1: expecting to see his mother. Instead, he was greeted by
- 34:26Speaker 1: an officer from the Knoxville Police Department who placed Willie
- 34:30Speaker 1: under arrest and charged him with the murder of Louisa
- 34:33Speaker 1: May Brown. The trial was swift, as swift as the
- 34:38Speaker 1: justice that came crashing down with the judge's gavel. Some
- 34:42Speaker 1: said Willie deserved to die, Instead, he was sentenced to
- 34:45Speaker 1: live out the rest of his days behind bars. The
- 34:48Speaker 1: Tennessee State Prison was bleak, brutal, and overcrowded. Willie kept
- 34:53Speaker 1: to himself. He didn't talk to the other inmates and
- 34:56Speaker 1: didn't make eye contact. But if you walked by his
- 34:59Speaker 1: cell at night, once the lights in the wing were
- 35:02Speaker 1: shut off, the roaches and rats came scurrying from their holes,
- 35:07Speaker 1: you could hear Willie Miller. First, there was the violent awakening.
- 35:12Speaker 1: That was Willie regaining consciousness with a shriek, resting himself
- 35:16Speaker 1: from the nightmare of hellfire that awaited him every evening.
- 35:20Speaker 1: Sweating and panting, he could gradually calm down. And then
- 35:24Speaker 1: he would speak, and the sound of his voice was low,
- 35:27Speaker 1: hidden deep under his own breath so as not to
- 35:30Speaker 1: draw attention. It was always the same thing. He repeated
- 35:35Speaker 1: it over and over again, like a mantra or a prayer,
- 35:39Speaker 1: or maybe just a compulsion that he could not. or
- 35:41Speaker 1: would not explain. Farewell, Knoxville girl, he would say. Farewell
- 35:47Speaker 1: to the girl I loved so well. The End The
- 36:09Speaker 1: classic version of Knoxville Girl was recorded by the Leuven Brothers,
- 36:13Speaker 1: Charlie and Ira, for their 1959 album, Tragic Songs of Life.
- 36:18Speaker 1: Their close harmonies are tight, mournful, and dare I say, beautiful.
- 36:24Speaker 1: And therein lies the chilling nature of the song. It's
- 36:27Speaker 1: delivered so matter-of-factly, like the narrator is telling you how
- 36:30Speaker 1: they made a sandwich for lunch that day or something,
- 36:33Speaker 1: but what is being described is a brutal murder. A
- 36:37Speaker 1: murder committed without warning. a murder committed in cold blood.
- 36:43Speaker 1: Five years before the Leuven brothers recorded their immortal take
- 36:46Speaker 1: on Knoxville Girl, in 1954, four teenagers in Brooklyn, known
- 36:51Speaker 1: in the press as the Brooklyn Thrill Killers, drowned one
- 36:54Speaker 1: victim and beat another to death. The Kings County DA
- 36:58Speaker 1: said of the murderous quartet, they apparently had no reason
- 37:01Speaker 1: except the thrill that they got. 30 years before that,
- 37:05Speaker 1: in 1924, Nathan Leopold and Richard Loeb kidnapped a 14-year-old
- 37:10Speaker 1: boy in Chicago, hit him in the head repeatedly with
- 37:13Speaker 1: the handle of a chisel, gagged him, and watched as
- 37:16Speaker 1: the life drained from his body. Their motive? The simple
- 37:20Speaker 1: desire to commit what they called the perfect crime, and
- 37:23Speaker 1: thus demonstrate their superiority over the rest of the human race.
- 37:28Speaker 1: In these crimes, as in the later-day crimes of serial
- 37:31Speaker 1: killers like Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, and Richard Ramirez... There
- 37:35Speaker 1: is an inexplicable compulsion at the root to carry out
- 37:38Speaker 1: the act. There is also the need to exert power,
- 37:42Speaker 1: the need to control, and the need to possess. Colonel
- 37:47Speaker 1: Tom Parker wanted to possess Dolly Parton's song. Porter Wagoner
- 37:51Speaker 1: wanted to possess Dolly Parton as his girl singer. Robert
- 37:55Speaker 1: Elliott of Wheeling, a.k.a. the Man in Black, wanted to
- 37:58Speaker 1: possess Dolly Parton with, to once again quote our guide
- 38:01Speaker 1: Nick Cave, murderous male attention and nefarious transferred erotic desire.
- 38:08Speaker 1: But Dolly Parton would not be possessed. Dolly Parton was
- 38:12Speaker 1: not a tragic female figure from an anonymous murder ballad.
- 38:17Speaker 1: She was far too much of a badass, not to
- 38:19Speaker 1: mention she wasn't going to be in somebody else's song.
- 38:21Speaker 1: Get out of here with that. By 1983, Dolly Parton
- 38:28Speaker 1: had rebounded from her emotional rock bottom of the year prior.
- 38:32Speaker 1: The gun she kept in her house had gone back
- 38:34Speaker 1: into its bedroom case, and she was once again proving
- 38:37Speaker 1: herself to be an unstoppable crossover force. Her duet with
- 38:41Speaker 1: Kenny Rogers, Islands in the Stream, topped the pop, country,
- 38:45Speaker 1: and contemporary charts that fall. This was 1983, the year
- 38:50Speaker 1: of Michael Jackson's Beat It, Lionel Richie's All Night Long,
- 38:54Speaker 1: Every Breath You Take by The Police. But 1983 was
- 38:58Speaker 1: also only a few years removed from the assassination of
- 39:02Speaker 1: John Lennon outside the Dakota in New York. Beetlejohn's murder
- 39:06Speaker 1: was no doubt on Dolly Parton's mind when she read
- 39:09Speaker 1: the news today, oh boy, news about a recent poll
- 39:12Speaker 1: of psychologists to determine which celebrities were most likely to
- 39:16Speaker 1: be assassinated. And why were psychologists being asked about hypothetical
- 39:21Speaker 1: celebrity assassinations? It didn't matter. All that mattered to Dolly
- 39:25Speaker 1: Parton was that her name was at the top of
- 39:28Speaker 1: their list. Imagine that. Imagine you're Dolly Parton. You've had
- 39:33Speaker 1: unprecedented success as a country artist crossing over into the mainstream,
- 39:37Speaker 1: but the journey has not been easy. There have been
- 39:40Speaker 1: death threats and you've suffered internal bleeding, and major surgeries,
- 39:44Speaker 1: a period of extreme depression, thoughts of suicide, and then,
- 39:48Speaker 1: just as you get it all back together, you read
- 39:50Speaker 1: about how you are the most likely target of the
- 39:53Speaker 1: next crazed assassin on the mean streets of America, something
- 39:56Speaker 1: that is printed in the mainstream press, so that the
- 40:00Speaker 1: next crazed assassin can read it and go from what
- 40:02Speaker 1: if to not if, but when. On January 15th, 1983,
- 40:08Speaker 1: a death threat was called into Owensboro, Kentucky police shortly
- 40:12Speaker 1: before Dolly's two sold-out shows there at the Executive Inn
- 40:15Speaker 1: showroom lounge. The shows were quickly canceled, as were additional
- 40:20Speaker 1: dates in Texas and Louisiana. Two months later, in March,
- 40:24Speaker 1: a bomb threat cleared out the Old Dominion Theater in London,
- 40:27Speaker 1: where Dolly Parton was taping a special for HBO. And
- 40:31Speaker 1: as recently as 2022, a Pennsylvania man threatened to detonate
- 40:36Speaker 1: bombs he'd allegedly planted in Pittsburgh, Greensburg, and Mount Pleasant
- 40:40Speaker 1: unless he was allowed to speak to Dolly Parton. The
- 40:43Speaker 1: threats are constant. The danger is constant. It's passed down
- 40:49Speaker 1: from generation to generation like a murder ballad. The sorrow
- 40:54Speaker 1: chord echoes in the darkness and it bids farewell to
- 40:57Speaker 1: the girl they loved so well. But Dolly was no
- 41:02Speaker 1: Knoxville girl. She was not one to be led down
- 41:04Speaker 1: through the tall grass to the riverbed. Instead, she was
- 41:09Speaker 1: the one who rang out the sorrow chord. Dolly Parton
- 41:13Speaker 1: bid her own farewell to disgrace. I'm Jake Brennan, and
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