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Blue Origin Has Entered the Chat · Made of Stars

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Speaker 4: Coca Cola Space Science Center. Hey Sean, good morning, Wes.
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Speaker 2: Good to be here today. You know, we have some
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Speaker 2: exciting stuff coming up we do.
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Speaker 4: This is our final Made of Stars before Made of
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Speaker 4: Stars Live on Saturday. So as we're recording this on
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Speaker 4: Thursday the thirtieth, and that's our normal record day, we're
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Speaker 4: getting ready for two days from now, six pm at
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Speaker 4: the Coca Cola Space Science Center Made of Stars Live.
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Speaker 4: We've not done this before. I think we did once.
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Speaker 4: We would have recorded there at the Space Science Center,
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Speaker 4: maybe at a table kind of in the lobby outside,
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Speaker 4: like a long long time ago. Yeah, and there there
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Speaker 4: was no audience. The audience was just I think your
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Speaker 4: staff walking by, going what are you guys doing? And
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Speaker 4: that was kind of it. And then, you know, this
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Speaker 4: is a little different and we don't know the audience
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Speaker 4: size yet, but we'll talk more about that coming up towards.
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Speaker 2: The end of the show.
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Speaker 4: Because we have at least one story to day that
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Speaker 4: will almost certainly roll over into the Native Stars Live experience.
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Speaker 4: I think we'll say that too. It's an experience.
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Speaker 2: It's absolutely going to be an experience. You know. It
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Speaker 2: kind of reminds me like when they take these Hollywood
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Speaker 2: motion pictures and then turn them into a Broadway musical
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Speaker 2: something like that. Like, you know, if you're a regular
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Speaker 2: listener to this show and you're entertained by the nonsense
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Speaker 2: that we put out, yeah, imagine taking that and turning
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Speaker 2: it into you know, performance art. That's that's basically what
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Speaker 2: this is going to be.
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Speaker 4: There's very little chance of either of us singing. We'll
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Speaker 4: just say that, and if one of us sings, it
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Speaker 4: should be you, and that you're better at it than
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Speaker 4: I am, and then I will ever be.
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Speaker 2: So that's damning by fate. Praise my friend, because but
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Speaker 2: neither of us should sing, but you know that does
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Speaker 2: that's no guarantee that we won't.
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Speaker 4: Let's let's put it this way. If one of us sings,
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Speaker 4: it should be you, and if one of us does ballet,
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Speaker 4: it should be me. And I think that's a safe
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Speaker 4: way to approach the whole thing.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I think if the show
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Speaker 2: is going, you know badly, that just might happen.
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Speaker 4: Break out the stilts, baby, I'm gonna get up high
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Speaker 4: and uh and we can do that. You know, you
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Speaker 4: just don't ever know. And I am now cleared, by
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Speaker 4: the way, this week, I got cleared by my doctor
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Speaker 4: to get on stilt, so that's good. Post surgery, I
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Speaker 4: needed the clearance for rehearsals, so yeah, I could. I
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Speaker 4: could do that, but we probably won't.
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Speaker 2: We're gonna be it's unlikely that that will I'm not
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Speaker 2: saying zero chance, but unlikely that that will happen.
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Speaker 4: That's important that we establish it's not a zero chance,
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Speaker 4: but it is possible. But you're saying, and we're gonna
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Speaker 4: talk on on Saturday. We'll talk a little bit kind
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Speaker 4: of about how we normally do this, because this is
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Speaker 4: the this is the normal format for us. You're you're
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Speaker 4: there in the Space Science Center. I'm here in my
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Speaker 4: home studio. This is the normal way that we do it,
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Speaker 4: so it's gonna be different for us as well, and
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Speaker 4: that we're going to be just sitting there in the
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Speaker 4: same room. Now, we did it on radio that way
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Speaker 4: for a really long time, so that's not strange, but
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Speaker 4: it's just this is kind of the normal way that
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Speaker 4: we do it. And we've actually done it on location,
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Speaker 4: you know, at the Kennedy Space Center and things like that,
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Speaker 4: so you know, it's not insane for us to do it.
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Speaker 4: We just haven't done it with an audience. So we're
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Speaker 4: hoping that you'll join us Saturday six o'clock. But we'll
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Speaker 4: talk more about that coming up. Let's jump straight into
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Speaker 4: this because this is a follow up story from last week.
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Speaker 4: We were talking about how Sean Duffy, the acting director
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Speaker 4: of NASA as the Secretary of Transportation, and NASA still
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Speaker 4: doesn't officially have that position filled. So Sean Duffy said, hey, SpaceX,
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Speaker 4: you kind of aren't on the pacing that we were
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Speaker 4: hoping for to get astronauts not just back to the
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Speaker 4: Moon but then back off of the Moon again. Because
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Speaker 4: that's the important part of the mission.
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Speaker 2: Important. Yeah, that's a don't want to leave that leg
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Speaker 2: of the journey out.
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Speaker 4: It is, and it's important to say that because you know,
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Speaker 4: it wasn't it buzz Aldron who once said, like, the
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Speaker 4: next big mission is, you know, six feet on next
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Speaker 4: fnal destination is six feet under on Mars. And the
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Speaker 4: idea that people would go to Mars and not come
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Speaker 4: home and that they would eventually die there, I think,
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Speaker 4: am I giving the right?
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Speaker 2: Is it?
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Speaker 4: Buzz?
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Speaker 2: Okay?
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Speaker 4: So they need to get the astronauts they go back
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Speaker 4: to the Moon with Artemis three back to Earth. So
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Speaker 4: there's talk about that and the originally the contract was
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Speaker 4: going to SpaceX and now Sean Duffy has said, we
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Speaker 4: have to open this back up forbidding and maybe to
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Speaker 4: get some companies like Blue Origin back in the discussion.
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Speaker 2: And now Blue.
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Speaker 4: Origin that was originally scheduled for the Artemis five mission
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Speaker 4: to take astronauts to the south pole of the Moon,
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Speaker 4: and that may not happen. Artemis five is this you know,
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Speaker 4: they kind of said, hey, we'll stop this at three.
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Speaker 4: So the idea get people back to the Moon. Let's
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Speaker 4: let's beat China to the Moon as we have another
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Speaker 4: space race going on, and now Blue Origin has entered
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Speaker 4: the chat.
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Speaker 2: I don't even know which way to step. That was
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Speaker 2: an excellent intro and summary, but it opened so many
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Speaker 2: doors that I don't know which one to walk through,
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Speaker 2: or so many twists and turns in this crazy story
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Speaker 2: of like I think when we were going to the
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Speaker 2: Moon in the seventies, in nineteen sixty nine, to be exact, well,
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Speaker 2: I think we had a plan like like here's the rocket,
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Speaker 2: here's the lander, let's go.
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Speaker 4: It was a lot simpler when there weren't these private
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Speaker 4: companies involved, because you know, it was just hey, we're
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Speaker 4: a NASA, we're going to do this. Then you enter
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Speaker 4: private companies in the mix, and suddenly there's there's sort
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Speaker 4: of a mini space race within a space race, right yeah,
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Speaker 4: And you know.
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Speaker 2: It's it's all in the way it's organized. Because there
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Speaker 2: were certainly private companies making components of the Apollo program.
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Speaker 2: Right So North American, for instance, was one of the
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Speaker 2: companies that built was the company that built a lunar lander, right, So,
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Speaker 2: I mean, so there were private companies, but they weren't
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Speaker 2: kind of running the show. And that's the thing is
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Speaker 2: that NASA has kind of deferred the actual design and
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Speaker 2: development of these vehicles to all to private companies, and
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Speaker 2: then they're just kind of trying to take their pick
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Speaker 2: of which one they like best. And they've just changed
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Speaker 2: their mind basically on which one they like best in
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Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks, and that's what led to
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Speaker 2: Twitter or ex wars or whatever they are anyway, social
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Speaker 2: media slander anyway. So the notion is this SpaceX has
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Speaker 2: been working on Starship, and we all know that Elon
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Speaker 2: probably wants to go to Mars and will use Starship
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Speaker 2: to land there one day if his dreams come true.
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Speaker 2: But he's also got a contract with NASA for the
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Speaker 2: Artemis program. That Starship is the delivery vehicle that docks
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Speaker 2: with the NASA spacecraft called the Orion Capsule, transfers astronauts
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Speaker 2: over to Starship, and Starship is what goes down to
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Speaker 2: the surface, lets them down so they can walk around
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Speaker 2: for a while, picks them back up again, and brings
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Speaker 2: them back to orbit. It's like an orbital uber. And
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Speaker 2: if you don't have an orbital uber, the Orion spacecraft
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Speaker 2: itself is in no way capable of going to the surface.
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Speaker 2: You need a ride. Okay.
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Speaker 5: So, so even though Starship has been the ride of
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Speaker 5: choice for a few years now, it was the only
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Speaker 5: company selected from a multitude of companies who were applying
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Speaker 5: for that privilege.
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Speaker 2: They chose SpaceX only for its Starship, rather than picking
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Speaker 2: a couple of different companies and letting them battle it out.
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Speaker 2: They tried that once with Low Earth Orbit, and Boeing
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Speaker 2: didn't hold up their end, so SpaceX won that battle.
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Speaker 2: So I think they just picked SpaceX and said, okay, well,
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Speaker 2: why don't you guys just do this? Okay, Well, now
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Speaker 2: they've reopened it and there is a fight, and one
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Speaker 2: of the contestants in that fight is Blue Origin friends,
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Speaker 2: because Blue Origin is already contracted now after some legal maneuvering,
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Speaker 2: contracted with NASA for the Artemis five mission, which the
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Speaker 2: same administration has said won't happen. They're going to stop
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Speaker 2: after Artemis three anyway. So okay, so Artemis five would
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Speaker 2: be Yeah, we've landed on the Moon a couple of
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Speaker 2: times successfully already, why don't we put a spaceship on
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Speaker 2: the South Pole and Jeff, Jeff Bezos if you want to,
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Speaker 2: if you want to build that land or go ahead
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Speaker 2: and build that one' we'll contract with you. Okay, Well,
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Speaker 2: what why is this news? That's all the setup? Why
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Speaker 2: is this news? Because this week on Tuesday, Jacqueline Cortesi,
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Speaker 2: who is Blue Origins Senior director of Civil Space, represented
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Speaker 2: the company at the American Astronautical Society twenty twenty five
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Speaker 2: the Von Braun Space Exploration simpost and said this, Hey,
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Speaker 2: what about that Artemis three. I don't know. This is
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Speaker 2: not a direct quote, it is it is a mate
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Speaker 2: of stars paraphrase. Hey, what about that Artemis three. I'll
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Speaker 2: bet we could have our lander ready by Artemis three times.
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Speaker 2: We're already stacking right now as we speak, the Blue
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Speaker 2: Origin Mark one lander, which they are currently stacking in
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Speaker 2: Florida and could actually be launched later this year. Now,
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Speaker 2: that's a lunar lander that's made to haul cargo, which
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Speaker 2: is also part of their contract with NASA taking materials
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Speaker 2: to the surface of the Moon. It's about half the
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Speaker 2: size of the Mark two lander, which could be human
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Speaker 2: rated and take astronauts on Artemis five. Okay, So they said, well,
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Speaker 2: we could probably have that Mark two lander ready to
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Speaker 2: go by the time Artemis two goes. And Sean Duffy
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Speaker 2: just opened the door to another contractor for a lander
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Speaker 2: for Artemis three, which means perhaps Blue Origin could bump
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Speaker 2: SpaceX out of the Artemis three competition and have that
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Speaker 2: very interesting intrigue between two commercial space companies for who
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Speaker 2: will actually be the official lander for the Artemis three mission.
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Speaker 2: That's what's happening. Both of Blue Origins landers can be
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Speaker 2: launched on the Blue Origin b E seven engines, which
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Speaker 2: is their heavy lift engines. Those engines are currently being
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Speaker 2: tested on engine test stands in the states of Alabama, Texas,
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Speaker 2: and Washington, all three places Blue Origin is trying really
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Speaker 2: hard to be that competitor coming from the outside that
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Speaker 2: passes the leader just before the finish line. That kind
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Speaker 2: of analogy for Artemis three.
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Speaker 4: So it seems to me, and this is me making
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Speaker 4: an observation, but the fact that the plan was okay,
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Speaker 4: we'll have this series of Artemis missions, and the fact
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Speaker 4: that Blue Origin was slated in there probably perfectly fine.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure they would have loved to have
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Speaker 4: gotten in on the original contract for three, but to say, okay, well,
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Speaker 4: we're at least going to get there in Artemis five.
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Speaker 4: And then we find out from the White House there's
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Speaker 4: no real plans to do four and five, Like, that's
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Speaker 4: probably not going to happen. So suddenly if you start
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Speaker 4: eliminating missions that you were under contract to do and
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Speaker 4: then coincidentally they're open, the bidding back up and Blue
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Speaker 4: Origin is back in the discussion for the one that
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Speaker 4: they are doing, the timing of all of that just
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Speaker 4: seems interesting to me. It is, and you know there
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Speaker 4: and honestly probably fair. I mean, if you think about it,
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Speaker 4: you've got companies that have been working towards doing this.
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Speaker 4: Blue Origin was putting their work in their due diligence
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Speaker 4: for Artemis five. Oh, by the way, Artemis five is
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Speaker 4: almost certainly not going to happen. So what have they
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Speaker 4: been working for? And obviously it's things that will be
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Speaker 4: used eventually anyway, It's not like if they didn't get involved,
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Speaker 4: Like if they don't end up winning the bidding for this,
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Speaker 4: it's not like what they're working on is just suddenly
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Speaker 4: going to go in a scrap pile.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. You know, another story that there's so
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Speaker 2: many stories to choose from that we don't always cover
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Speaker 2: the stories here. I'm Native Stars, but another story that
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Speaker 2: we haven't covered but just came out in the last
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Speaker 2: couple of weeks is the fact that NASA is now
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Speaker 2: looking at different launch platforms. In other words, not the
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Speaker 2: Space Launch System, their own big rocket. They're looking at
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Speaker 2: different launch vehicles that could potentially take the Orion capsule
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Speaker 2: to the Moon and to Mars places like that. So,
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Speaker 2: even though that may not strictly be the Artemis program,
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Speaker 2: you might still have Oryan capsules flying up and talking
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Speaker 2: with Blue Origin landers to either go to the surface
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Speaker 2: of the Moon or to Mars at various times. So, yeah, Wes,
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Speaker 2: you said it correctly. No one's going to throw these
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Speaker 2: technologies on the scrap heap, even if they don't get
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Speaker 2: to fly as part of Artemis. They're going to keep
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Speaker 2: them around. They're going to reuse them. It's the nature
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Speaker 2: of the ever growing space industry. It's just that it's
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Speaker 2: some unique intrigue because of well, let's just face it,
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Speaker 2: the administration that it's at hand right now, the kind
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Speaker 2: of uncertainty with know NASA director, and maybe it's Jared Isaacman,
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Speaker 2: and maybe it's not. ANDed Isaacman is a collaborator of
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Speaker 2: Elon Musk, so maybe it's Elon Musk's rocket maybe it's not.
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Speaker 2: Maybe it's Blue Origin. There's a lot of stuff we
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Speaker 2: don't know. So it's just fun to get on podcasts
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Speaker 2: and talk about these things because it seems like a
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Speaker 2: silly soap opera in one sense. From the outside.
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Speaker 4: We don't often dip into the soap opera stuff, but
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Speaker 4: occasionally the soap opera is just part of the story.
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Speaker 4: It's just part of the narrative, and it's hard not
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Speaker 4: to at least to have some conversation about it.
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Speaker 2: I guess, yes, indeed, indeed, you know. It's worth mentioning,
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Speaker 2: just as a final tag on that story, that SpaceX
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Speaker 2: did launch Starship just a couple of weeks ago and
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Speaker 2: everything went swimmingly. So it seems like Starship took a
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Speaker 2: big jump forward too, about the time that everybody started
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Speaker 2: getting mad at SpaceX for being behind on Starship. So anyway,
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Speaker 2: just one more footnote in that melodrama that we're watching unfold.
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Speaker 4: our next story is from spaceflight now dot com. The
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Speaker 4: story about SpaceX kind of having at a little bit
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Speaker 4: of a flex in their own right. The timing of
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Speaker 4: that is interesting, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And just about every time there's a negative story
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Speaker 2: about SpaceX, they do something unbelievable, and that's this. Now
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Speaker 2: think about this. SpaceX is launching vehicles from multiple different
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Speaker 2: launch locations. They launch rockets from the Kennedy Space Center
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Speaker 2: near Titusville, Florida. They also launch rockets across the street
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Speaker 2: at the Cape Canaveral Space Force Station, also near Titusville, Florida.
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Speaker 2: They also launched rockets from Texas from their own base,
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Speaker 2: which is where the last Starship launched. But they also
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Speaker 2: launched rockets from California at Vandenburg Air Force Base. And
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Speaker 2: recently over the weekend here the SpaceX had a well
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Speaker 2: was actually on Monday, they had a really interesting milestone,
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Speaker 2: shall we say. They broke a record for fast turnaround
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Speaker 2: at their West Coast launch pad. Now they've already had
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Speaker 2: these kinds of records at the other launch pads, but
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Speaker 2: now they're having it in California at a Space Force
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Speaker 2: station out there. They broke the record for the fastest
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Speaker 2: launch pad turnaround. The record now is two days ten hours,
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Speaker 2: twenty two minutes and fifty nine seconds. That fifty nine
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Speaker 2: seconds is really important. No, I don't know if it's
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Speaker 2: that important. Anyway. The previous record, also set by them,
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Speaker 2: set one week ago, was two days, eighteen hours, fifty
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Speaker 2: two minutes and twenty seconds eighteen hours fifty two minutes,
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Speaker 2: so about nineteen I'm sorry about nine hours difference. Right,
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Speaker 2: there's about nine hours faster to get this thing all
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Speaker 2: set up and launched at this Space Force station out
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Speaker 2: in the deserts of California. This was a Falcon nine
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Speaker 2: launching from Vanderberg. It was launching what's called the Starlink
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Speaker 2: eleven twenty one mission, which added twenty eight more of
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Speaker 2: their v TOO mini iterations of their satellites at the
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Speaker 2: lower Worth orbit. The last record was set by the
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Speaker 2: Starlink eleven Dash twelve mission, which that was the nine
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Speaker 2: hours previous record last week anyway, So there you go.
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Speaker 2: So pretty interesting milestone. They can do it fast, they
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Speaker 2: can turn it around fast. They're launching in a cadence
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Speaker 2: simply unprecedented in human history. And by the way, at
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Speaker 2: the same time they had that record, they had another record.
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Speaker 2: It's been five years since their first customer officially signed
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Speaker 2: up for Starlink, And in that five years they went
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Speaker 2: from one whoever that dude was Elon's cousin, I don't know, somebody.
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Speaker 2: They went from that person two millions of customers globally
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Speaker 2: in five years. They built the infrastructure, launched the satellites,
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Speaker 2: signed up customers at that furious rate, and in only
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Speaker 2: five years they are the world's leading satellite internet provider.
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Speaker 2: An outstanding and amazing set of accomplishments by SpaceX, the
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Speaker 2: competitors of those folks with Jeff Bezos and Blue Origin.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's also just worth noting again and we
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Speaker 4: talk about this when it happens, and I'm sure it's
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Speaker 4: probably happening are about to be happening at least with
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Speaker 4: you know, hurricanes in the Caribbean, but you know, providing
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Speaker 4: internet to people that you know otherwise would not have
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Speaker 4: it without the infrastructure and in times of crisis. That's
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Speaker 4: also been part of that five years that they've been
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Speaker 4: up and running.
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Speaker 2: So there are multiple occasions just within that last five
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Speaker 2: years that, as you say, ground based infrastructure has been
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Speaker 2: wiped out in some kind of catastrophic emergency, and SpaceX
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Speaker 2: with their Starlink Constellation has stepped in and said, oh,
21:36
Speaker 2: we'll provide connectivity, We'll keep the communication in touch, and
21:41
Speaker 2: so it's it's it's worth noting. I think we try
21:46
Speaker 2: really hard on Native Stars not to take sides in
21:49
Speaker 2: these space wars, shall we say, but we also believe
21:53
Speaker 2: in giving credit where credits due. And I think there's
21:56
Speaker 2: a lot of people who are kind of artificially and
21:59
Speaker 2: unrests necessarily coming out against Elon Musk as a human being. Dudes,
22:05
Speaker 2: whatever on your part there. Okay, I'm just going to
22:07
Speaker 2: tell you the report of the company. The company SpaceX
22:12
Speaker 2: has done some miraculous things in the space industry. There
22:15
Speaker 2: is no argument.
22:17
Speaker 4: Let's talk about Venus. They have lost their last active
22:20
Speaker 4: spacecraft and.
22:22
Speaker 2: They don't know it because they don't have starlink. That's
22:25
Speaker 2: very true. And I like that.
22:27
Speaker 4: I say they as if there's a bunch of people there,
22:29
Speaker 4: those Venusians, that there are Venusians.
22:31
Speaker 2: Starlink customers who don't have their Yeah, okay, I'm sorry.
22:35
Speaker 2: Let me pull out of that silly segue and say, yeah, okay,
22:38
Speaker 2: great story on space dot Com. An interesting development has happened.
22:42
Speaker 2: There was one active spacecraft still in some kind of
22:46
Speaker 2: quasi orbit around the planet Venus that was still on occasion,
22:50
Speaker 2: providing some data from that ridiculous hot and acidic planet,
22:56
Speaker 2: the closest by the way in terms of both physical
23:00
Speaker 2: and physical structure to the Earth. So so yeah, Earth's
23:05
Speaker 2: twin the evil stepsister Venus. There was a Japanese spacecraft.
23:10
Speaker 2: It was called a kotsuki. You can say that again.
23:16
Speaker 2: I couldn't say it the first time. I kotsuki. You
23:19
Speaker 2: know what I do is I say I practiced these
23:21
Speaker 2: before the show, and then the moment comes and I
23:23
Speaker 2: just fail. It's just in my wheelhouse. Some things I'm
23:28
Speaker 2: good at. That's not one of them. I caught Suki.
23:30
Speaker 4: I call that the occasional name at graduation for Columbus
23:33
Speaker 4: State University. I got practice, and I got it, and
23:36
Speaker 4: then I and or I get the really tough name,
23:39
Speaker 4: and then I call somebody named Olivia Oliver. You know
23:42
Speaker 4: that kind of thing. It happens sometimes.
23:44
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's what I just did, basically,
23:45
Speaker 2: was the equivalent of that. Everybody know it's akatsuki, all right. So.
23:49
Speaker 2: Akotsuki is a Japanese word that means dawn, like means o.
23:53
Speaker 4: I think it means.
23:54
Speaker 2: It could mean oliver in some other language perhaps, but
23:57
Speaker 2: not in Japanese. It means dawn. We know it better
24:00
Speaker 2: as the Venus Climate Orbiter. Okay, there we go, so
24:03
Speaker 2: all of us who know the VCO of the Venus
24:04
Speaker 2: Climate Order a Japanese Aerospace Exploration Agency or Jackson spacecraft
24:09
Speaker 2: that launched back in twenty ten, going strong since twenty ten,
24:15
Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen. It launched on the twentieth of May,
24:18
Speaker 2: but it failed to reach its orbit around Venus in
24:21
Speaker 2: December of that same year. Ah wah, wah wah. What
24:26
Speaker 2: happened then is that engineers went to work to see
24:28
Speaker 2: if they could manipulate the failed orbit spacecraft into some
24:33
Speaker 2: other kind of unplanned but yet possible orbit, which they
24:36
Speaker 2: did do. They made an elliptical orbit around the planet
24:41
Speaker 2: Venus that it entered into on December seventh of twenty fifteen,
24:47
Speaker 2: where that that's Pearl Harbor day anyway, and made it
24:49
Speaker 2: into that orbit and becoming the first Japanese satellite orbiting Venus.
24:54
Speaker 2: So there we go. So since twenty fifteen, this little
24:58
Speaker 2: spacecraft that could has sp a decade up there in
25:01
Speaker 2: an orbit that was unplanned but still functional. In some
25:04
Speaker 2: sense studying the stratification of the atmosphere and the atmospheric
25:09
Speaker 2: dynamics and the cloud physics on the planet Venus with
25:13
Speaker 2: five different cameras working at multiple wavelengths, so way to go.
25:19
Speaker 5: You know.
25:19
Speaker 2: Occasionally the United States has had to have some very
25:22
Speaker 2: famous satellite recovery because things didn't quite go like we
25:27
Speaker 2: wanted them to, kinds of missions, Hubble Space Telescope being
25:30
Speaker 2: one of those, the Galileo spacecraft also being another. So
25:34
Speaker 2: these are all you know, when the world deals you lemons,
25:39
Speaker 2: you make lemonade. These are all those kinds of moments, right.
25:42
Speaker 2: So that was the good side of the story. Now
25:46
Speaker 2: here comes the sad side of the story. The Japanese
25:50
Speaker 2: Space Agency just declared the Venus Climate Orbiter dead. Ladies
25:54
Speaker 2: and gentlemen. It is now we haven't heard it. Didn't
25:58
Speaker 2: it quit phoning home about a year ago, but now
26:01
Speaker 2: they've actually given up and put an official marker in
26:03
Speaker 2: the I was gonna say in the ground, but that
26:05
Speaker 2: makes no sense in orbit around Venus. It puts some
26:08
Speaker 2: kind of an official marker in the ground. Tuesday, October
26:11
Speaker 2: twenty eighth, the VCO or the at Katsuki Dawn spacecraft
26:18
Speaker 2: is no longer. There we go. Here's a quote from
26:21
Speaker 2: Japanese officials. They said, this was a mission that changed
26:25
Speaker 2: our view of our earth sized neighbor and laid the
26:28
Speaker 2: path for new discoveries about what it takes to become
26:31
Speaker 2: a heaven or hell. What do they mean by that? Well,
26:35
Speaker 2: you know, looking at Earth, I mean I'm not sure
26:40
Speaker 2: Earth is heaven, but okay, it's certainly a place we
26:43
Speaker 2: like to live. Venus would not be a place that
26:45
Speaker 2: we would like to live for more than about zero
26:48
Speaker 2: point five seconds because it's not really a pleasant place.
26:51
Speaker 2: So there we go, the official end to the Venus
26:55
Speaker 2: Climate Orbiter spacecraft.
26:57
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29:05
Speaker 4: we said we're not going to sing on Made the
29:07
Speaker 4: Stars Live on Saturday, that that's unlikely that we'll sing.
29:11
Speaker 4: I'm not really gonna sing. Probably, I'm not really going
29:14
Speaker 4: to sing. This setup for this next story. But it's
29:17
Speaker 4: it's kind of a nod to a song, but it's
29:20
Speaker 4: astronom mercy. Organic molecules everywhere they look, everywhere they look.
29:28
Speaker 1: That's good.
29:28
Speaker 4: It's my nod to pretty girls. I don't know you
29:30
Speaker 4: know that one, but yeah, no, I caught it right off. Also,
29:36
Speaker 4: special props to the folks that made the movie the Ringer.
29:39
Speaker 4: That's all. That's all I get. When did we get
29:43
Speaker 4: ice cream? All right, so let's talk about organic molecules.
29:46
Speaker 4: It seemed to be everywhere astronomers look around.
29:49
Speaker 2: Without organic molecules, you don't have ice cream. You do
29:52
Speaker 2: not have ice cream. So that's an important link right
29:55
Speaker 2: there to your segue.
29:56
Speaker 4: Yes, important, uh, important for a number of things, but
30:00
Speaker 4: especially if you want a place to be heaven.
30:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, certainly. If Earth is deemed heaven, you need
30:08
Speaker 2: the hell of Venus. You must have ice cream. Fact,
30:14
Speaker 2: there is zero.
30:15
Speaker 4: Ice cream on Venus.
30:16
Speaker 2: We know that for a fact, pretty much gonna be
30:19
Speaker 2: a tough sell ice cream on Venus. So without those
30:24
Speaker 2: molecular organics, you can have neither ice cream nor pizza.
30:31
Speaker 2: And without ice cream or pizza, heaven on Earth simply
30:34
Speaker 2: can't happen. That's that's an opinion of the Mate of
30:37
Speaker 2: Stars podcast ladies and gentlemen, and should not reflect the
30:41
Speaker 2: views of anybody else pretty much outside these two guys anyways.
30:45
Speaker 2: So all right, so here's what happened. Earth dot com
30:48
Speaker 2: is where you'll find the story. Astronomers are finding organic
30:51
Speaker 2: molecules pretty much everywhere they look. According to the story
30:55
Speaker 2: on Earth dot com. They're looking that way, and they're
30:57
Speaker 2: looking over there, and they look, and where do they see?
31:00
Speaker 2: Everywhere the basic building blocks for life, life as we
31:04
Speaker 2: know it, that is life with ice cream.
31:06
Speaker 4: And pizza, things that make life worth living.
31:10
Speaker 2: That's things that make my worth living. So that well,
31:14
Speaker 2: here's the thing. If we're saying we're everywhere we look,
31:18
Speaker 2: where are we looking, Well, we're looking in places like
31:20
Speaker 2: I don't know, comets, both from our solar system and
31:24
Speaker 2: from other solar systems potentially hmmm, we're looking on things
31:30
Speaker 2: like asteroids, the surface of asteroids, the surfaces of moons
31:35
Speaker 2: around giant planets, the surfaces of other planets like Mars,
31:43
Speaker 2: and just other kinds of locations where we find primitive
31:48
Speaker 2: rocks from the early part of the Solar System, but
31:50
Speaker 2: also in the interstellar dust itself, the very very thin
31:57
Speaker 2: materials that lie in the spaces in betwe between the stars.
32:01
Speaker 2: We've even detected organic molecules in those places. We are
32:06
Speaker 2: now beginning to believe that at least within the Milky
32:10
Speaker 2: Way galaxy. And why is the Milky Way special, It's
32:13
Speaker 2: just another galaxy, so that would be all galaxies. Their
32:17
Speaker 2: organic molecules are abundant throughout space. Well, this begins to
32:22
Speaker 2: broaden the conversation, saying, hey, if organics are common throughout
32:29
Speaker 2: all of space, how did they get there? What was
32:32
Speaker 2: the what were the chemical processes that led from the
32:35
Speaker 2: very primitive atoms in the early universe to suddenly organics
32:41
Speaker 2: being everywhere you look. Well, a long held idea might
32:44
Speaker 2: be that there are these complicated polymer molecules that are
32:49
Speaker 2: made in various chemical processes in the formation of stars,
32:54
Speaker 2: and these large polymer molecules, once they're formed, could be
32:58
Speaker 2: broken down by ultra violet radiation or other kinds of
33:02
Speaker 2: collisional processes, and then break down to the basic organics
33:07
Speaker 2: that are the building blocks of life, such as proteins
33:11
Speaker 2: and things like polyaromatic hydrocarbons and things like that that
33:15
Speaker 2: we think life can be built out of. Well, here's
33:18
Speaker 2: the problem, according to earth dot com. According to the
33:22
Speaker 2: story on earth dot com, when astronomers began to look
33:24
Speaker 2: out there and find all these organic molecules, these simple organics,
33:29
Speaker 2: they did not find the spectroscopic signatures of more complicated
33:34
Speaker 2: polymers that could break down to these simple organics. They
33:38
Speaker 2: didn't find traces of the very large chains of molecules
33:42
Speaker 2: that can be broken apart to form the basic building
33:45
Speaker 2: blocks of life, which means other processes must be enriching
33:51
Speaker 2: the interstellar environment with the basic building blocks of life,
33:55
Speaker 2: which means the basic building blocks of life look like
33:58
Speaker 2: they are wide and ancient, as if they have existed
34:05
Speaker 2: for a very large fraction of the history of at
34:09
Speaker 2: least the Milky Way galaxy. But again, why is the
34:12
Speaker 2: Milky Way any different than anywhere else? So could life
34:19
Speaker 2: on Earth have benefited from the abundance of organic molecules
34:26
Speaker 2: absolutely everywhere throughout the galaxy, and could those organic molecules
34:32
Speaker 2: been planted on the surface of the Earth by processes
34:36
Speaker 2: that were outside of the formation of the Earth itself.
34:39
Speaker 2: In other words, could it be that Earth didn't have
34:42
Speaker 2: to grow the organic molecules that later were assembled into life.
34:48
Speaker 2: Maybe they were dropped on the surface of the Earth
34:51
Speaker 2: by processes like collisions with comets, with the Earth moving
34:55
Speaker 2: through interstellar dust, or with other primitive rocks from the
35:00
Speaker 2: other parts of the Solar System, or even beyond our
35:03
Speaker 2: Solar System. Bringing to and delivering those organic molecules down
35:09
Speaker 2: to the surface of the primordial Earth a really weird
35:13
Speaker 2: and interesting question. We have long assumed that all of
35:19
Speaker 2: the necessary materials and processes to have life on the
35:23
Speaker 2: surface of our planet were here all along. But this
35:27
Speaker 2: new idea is suggesting that maybe that's not the case.
35:31
Speaker 2: Maybe those necessary components were delivered by some extraterrestrial or
35:37
Speaker 2: in other words, non Earth process. Okay, how do we
35:40
Speaker 2: test that? Well, we have some missions coming that are
35:44
Speaker 2: very important. There are two missions from the European Space Agency.
35:48
Speaker 2: There's the Europa Clipper and the Juice mission. These missions
35:54
Speaker 2: have both already launched from the Earth. They're in kind
35:57
Speaker 2: of slow lawn trajectory or paths out to Jupiter itself,
36:03
Speaker 2: where when they get out there, they will begin studies
36:06
Speaker 2: of the Jupiter moons. We know those as the Jovian moons.
36:11
Speaker 2: They're gonna look at those satellite systems like the moon Europa,
36:15
Speaker 2: which is very famous for potentially having liquid water oceans
36:18
Speaker 2: beneath its surface, and they're going to be looking for
36:21
Speaker 2: these organic molecules that could have been deposited there long ago.
36:26
Speaker 2: NASA also has one of these missions. It's the Dragonfly spacecraft.
36:30
Speaker 2: Dragonflies set to launch in twenty twenty eight should arrive
36:34
Speaker 2: out at Saturn's moon Titan, which we already know has
36:38
Speaker 2: organic compounds on it, but does it have some of
36:41
Speaker 2: these ancient simple organics We don't know yet. That should
36:44
Speaker 2: arrive at Titan in twenty thirty four, and then that
36:47
Speaker 2: will begin studying that very interesting moon around Saturn for
36:52
Speaker 2: evidence of life forming molecules in the distant past of
36:56
Speaker 2: our very own Solar system. We are friends in deed
37:01
Speaker 2: made of stars.
37:03
Speaker 4: Yes we are. That kills what I was just going
37:06
Speaker 4: to point out in the fact that you mentioned the
37:08
Speaker 4: Juice mission, and I was just going to point out
37:10
Speaker 4: that if you're buying juice for Tony Soprano, Remember he
37:13
Speaker 4: likes the kind that says some pulp, all right, speaking
37:15
Speaker 4: of extrastril. That's where my brain was.
37:20
Speaker 2: Just at least you didn't do an OJ refford that
37:22
Speaker 2: I was worried about the OJ reference.
37:24
Speaker 4: It was either Tony Soprano or Juice Newton, one of
37:26
Speaker 4: the two, and I had to go with Tony Soprano.
37:30
Speaker 4: All right. One of the most memorable scenes in the
37:32
Speaker 4: Sopranos to me is him screaming about wanting the some
37:35
Speaker 4: pulp juice, all right, speaking of extraterrestrials. And this will
37:38
Speaker 4: be a nice segue into Meato Stars Live, because this
37:41
Speaker 4: is a big story. This is something that is obviously
37:46
Speaker 4: either a legitimate news story or it's clickbait, and I
37:50
Speaker 4: think it may be a little bit of both going
37:52
Speaker 4: on simultaneously. But this whole idea that you know, there
37:57
Speaker 4: may be an alien spacecraft headed our way.
38:02
Speaker 2: Maybe yep, I guess, so click Do I care for
38:05
Speaker 2: details if you're gonna pin me down to him? Maybe yep.
38:11
Speaker 4: I mean when it shows up on spaceweather dot com,
38:14
Speaker 4: you know, an eyebrow raises and goes, huh, yeah, I.
38:17
Speaker 2: Mean so, so you know, doctor Tony Phillips, the main
38:20
Speaker 2: author of space weather dot Com, said it very clearly,
38:24
Speaker 2: which is science can't eliminate that possibility on so yep,
38:30
Speaker 2: maybe maybe. All right, so listen, all joking aside. No,
38:34
Speaker 2: I'm never gonna put all joking aside, some joking aside.
38:37
Speaker 2: I will tell you that I have been asked about
38:39
Speaker 2: this object approximately fifty times in the last four or
38:45
Speaker 2: five days by very smart, well meaning friends of mine
38:49
Speaker 2: who are just like, hey, so I saw this thing
38:52
Speaker 2: on Facebook. What what's going on with that comment? That's
38:56
Speaker 2: like an alien spaceship. I just said, yep, there's a chance.
39:06
Speaker 2: Once again, let's talk about what science does and what
39:09
Speaker 2: science doesn't do. Science verifies things through evidence. Science never
39:15
Speaker 2: really says there is zero chance of something not being something,
39:19
Speaker 2: so it's hard to prove a negative. Right now, Look,
39:23
Speaker 2: there's something happening as we record this show. This weird
39:27
Speaker 2: interstellar comet called three I Atlas, which came from another
39:31
Speaker 2: star system beyond the Sun, is making its closest pass
39:36
Speaker 2: around our Sun within this twenty four hour period, and
39:40
Speaker 2: it's going to come zipping out the other side and
39:43
Speaker 2: scientists all over the world are watching to see if
39:48
Speaker 2: it's going to hit the gas. In other words, will
39:52
Speaker 2: it accelerate in something called the o birth maneuver into
39:56
Speaker 2: a different kind of orbit. If it does that, that
39:59
Speaker 2: is a very space thing for it to do. If
40:04
Speaker 2: it doesn't do that, that's a very commet like thing
40:07
Speaker 2: for it to do. Is to not do that. But
40:11
Speaker 2: I will tell you that the new interesting thing on
40:14
Speaker 2: spaceweather dot com today as we're recording the show here
40:17
Speaker 2: on October thirtieth, is that the comet seems to be
40:21
Speaker 2: brightening rapidly. Well, of course that's brightening rapidly. It's getting
40:25
Speaker 2: closer to the Sun. No, no, no, no, It far
40:27
Speaker 2: exceeds the rate of most ort cloud objects as they
40:32
Speaker 2: brighten coming near the Sun. In other words, comments in
40:36
Speaker 2: our own solar system, right, are domestic, domestically grown commets
40:40
Speaker 2: from our own solar system don't brighten the way that
40:43
Speaker 2: three i atlases now listen, this sounds like, oh no,
40:46
Speaker 2: it's one more of those weird things that those comments
40:49
Speaker 2: do and that no other comments do. But as Wes
40:51
Speaker 2: just pointed out, it's on space weather dot com. It
40:54
Speaker 2: was from reported from an article that was That was
40:57
Speaker 2: written and submitted to Astrophysical Journal Letters on October twenty
41:01
Speaker 2: eighth by a group of scientists out in Arizona at
41:03
Speaker 2: the Low Observatory in the US Naval Research Lab. So
41:09
Speaker 2: you're staying there's a chance. What do people do? Wes?
41:13
Speaker 2: What will people do in this situation? I tell you
41:16
Speaker 2: what you need to do. Friends, you need to come
41:19
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41:22
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41:28
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41:31
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41:38
Speaker 4: Wes said, Hello, my baby, Hello, my honey.
41:40
Speaker 2: We might do that. You just didn't as a preview,
41:45
Speaker 2: just to tease. That's just a SoundBite. Yeah, it's just
41:47
Speaker 2: a tease.
41:48
Speaker 4: Yes, And we're going to find out whether or not.
41:49
Speaker 4: In fact, Rich Pernell is a steely eyed missileman. And
41:54
Speaker 4: if you know that reference as it connects to the
41:56
Speaker 4: overth maneuver, then exactly you know. If you know it already,
42:00
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42:03
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42:06
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42:35
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42:49
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Speaker 2: the recording of Made of Stars Live at seven pm,
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Speaker 2: you'll be joined by doctor Rosa Williams here from the
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Speaker 2: Space Science Center for a live sky tour inside the
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Speaker 2: planetarium as part of Astronomy Night here at Space Science Center.
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Speaker 2: And then it looked I looked at the forecast. It
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Speaker 2: looks clear. Right after the sky tour will be telescopes
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Speaker 2: set up live once again, live pointing at the nighttime sky,
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Speaker 2: scanning the heavens for interstellar comets and other weird things
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Speaker 2: that could be alien spacecraft according to various Harvard professors.
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Speaker 2: So come down and join us at NATA Stars Live
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Speaker 2: on November first, on Saturday.
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Speaker 2: It will be worth every penny you pay to come
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Speaker 2: and see. We guarantee no doubt about that.
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Speaker 4: And it happens six o'clock on November first, at the
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Speaker 4: Coca Cola Space Sign Center. Sean and I thank you
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Speaker 4: for listening. We thank you preemptively for joining us for
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Speaker 4: Native Stars Live. And I would say we'll do this
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Speaker 4: next week, but technically we're going to do it in
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Speaker 4: a couple of days and that will be next week's show.
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Speaker 4: But we will definitely do this again on November.
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