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Football at Four: Explaining Further What Eagles Must Do to Win Another Super Bowl · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: four and we are closing in on the start of
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  Speaker 1: training camp, and of course the Eagles will be back
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  Speaker 1: at camp. They report on the twenty eighth, they'll be
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  Speaker 1: back on the field on the twenty ninth. And what
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  Speaker 1: will it take for the Eagles to make a Super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl run when they start things. That is what we'll
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  Speaker 1: discuss today and it was the theme of the Inside
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  Speaker 1: of the Birds podcast this week, as Adam Kaplan. George
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  Speaker 1: is Adam, what's up man?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike exactly. So our Monday and Tuesday shows we're
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  Speaker 3: really that discussion because we've we've broken down pretty much everything,
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  Speaker 3: not everything, but a lot that you could look into
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  Speaker 3: with the roster and depth charts and coaching and so forth. So,
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  Speaker 3: all right, what's going to take for them to make
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  Speaker 3: another Super Bowl run? Well, we did offense on Monday,
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  Speaker 3: we did defense on Tuesday this morning, and I want
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  Speaker 3: to give you a couple of snippets and we'll start
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  Speaker 3: on offense, Mike, So you know, the Hurts ones easy.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody knows that he's got to throw in time. I
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  Speaker 3: told you back in February. It's going to be a
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  Speaker 3: timing based offense. That's what's going to happen. But what
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  Speaker 3: I would also add to this discussion is it's not
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  Speaker 3: just Jalen Hurts, it's the coaching's got to be better.
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  Speaker 3: They've got to be able to reach him. They've got
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  Speaker 3: to get him on the same page. And if it's
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  Speaker 3: not working, well, keep drilling it, keep coaching him and
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  Speaker 3: get him to eventually do it. I mean, that's coaching.
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  Speaker 3: It's and the head coach who doesn't coach position. He's
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  Speaker 3: got to do a better coaching this time around. He
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  Speaker 3: did not do a great job last year. That's kind
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  Speaker 3: of why they didn't go deep in the playoffs last season.
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  Speaker 1: Well, obviously hurts. He's the quarterback. He's at the top
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  Speaker 1: of all discussions, and we have such an unknown with
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  Speaker 1: him because of what this offense might be. But one
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  Speaker 1: thing that was the biggest problem they had last year
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  Speaker 1: and has been the biggest reason they'd had success during
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  Speaker 1: the Sirianni era, has been the run game and where
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  Speaker 1: that run game will fall this year because last year
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  Speaker 1: it was a mess.
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  Speaker 3: It was terrible. Now, something we talked about a Monday show,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to expand a little bit here. Look, it
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  Speaker 3: was probably one of the worst run blocking jobs we've seen.
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  Speaker 3: This is our ninth year of Inside the Birds, our
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  Speaker 3: ninth season. It's the worst run blocking job we've seen
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  Speaker 3: since we've been doing these shows. It was terrible. Now,
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  Speaker 3: here's the other part of it. Was it just the
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  Speaker 3: offensive line or a little bit at Saquon Barkley, Like,
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  Speaker 3: how much is it? It's hard to know about Greg
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  Speaker 3: co sal who works us. You know, you know Greg
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  Speaker 3: from NFL Films. He definitely thought Barkley was not quite
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  Speaker 3: the same as he was in twenty four. Well how
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  Speaker 3: could he be? So he dropped off a little bit now.
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  Speaker 3: Something Jeff brought up on Monday Show and I like
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  Speaker 3: this is why not get Tank Bigsby and Volved Moore
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  Speaker 3: who looked really good other than the playoff game against
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  Speaker 3: the nin er team and look good. They kind of
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  Speaker 3: had him figure it out, but why not get him
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  Speaker 3: involved as a change up. He's explosive, he bring something
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  Speaker 3: to their offense. I but they've got to be willing
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  Speaker 3: to do that. A new play caller who's new to
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  Speaker 3: the team, and Sean Mannion who first time play caller.
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  Speaker 3: We don't know how he sees that rotation winner Shipley
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  Speaker 3: will be the third back that that's it. And it's
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  Speaker 3: hard to imagine that either Damian Pierce or Leijah Mitchell
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  Speaker 3: will beat ut Shipley for that number three job. But
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  Speaker 3: we'll watch that in training camp. But they really need
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  Speaker 3: to Mike this time around, give Barkley a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of a break, and get Bixby the ball each game
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more than they had last season.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was actually you know, you did bring in
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  Speaker 1: a couple extra running backs. You do have NFL experience,
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned, yes, Eliza Mitchell. You wonder if that is
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  Speaker 1: a sign that they do want to take a little
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  Speaker 1: load off of And maybe they don't make the team,
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  Speaker 1: but maybe it's a sign that they want to take
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  Speaker 1: a little load off of Saquon Barkley. Who knows, But
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  Speaker 1: you're right, the running game has to be on part.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have to have a two thousand yard back.
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  Speaker 1: We all know that, but I don't know. Fourteen to
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  Speaker 1: fifteen hundred yards would feel pretty goo, wouldn't it.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I thought he was going to get last year.
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  Speaker 3: That was the number I gave last year's around fifteen hundred.
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  Speaker 3: Of course it did come close to it. But I
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  Speaker 3: love the over two years ago and last year I
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  Speaker 3: missed it, but you know we didn't. But there's no
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  Speaker 3: way to know that the offensive line would be that bad. Now.
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  Speaker 3: They were beat up, they'd won the Super Bowl long season,
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  Speaker 3: Dickson and Jargons were hurting physically, no question about it.
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  Speaker 3: Lane Johnson obviously would get it, would get an injury
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  Speaker 3: in season. He didn't. He didn't wind up not playing
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  Speaker 3: after that. That was the problem. So yeah, they have
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  Speaker 3: to play better Mike. But what one little little note
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  Speaker 3: Elijah Mitchell Mike who was the Eagle side, who was
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  Speaker 3: now twenty eight years old. While out time has flown,
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  Speaker 3: he was a six round pick in twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 3: He was fantastic with Mike. He spent most of his
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  Speaker 3: career either dealing with an injury on injury reserve. He's
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  Speaker 3: been with the Nine Hours, the Chiefs, the Patriots, and
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  Speaker 3: now with the Eagles. He is a outside zone specialist.
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  Speaker 3: The Eagle's going to move a lot to outside zone
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  Speaker 3: this season. He fits it well. He actually could push
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  Speaker 3: Will Shipley for that number three role, but he's got
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  Speaker 3: to stay healthy first of all.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the offensive line and really
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  Speaker 1: the depth specifically at guard, which you know last year
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  Speaker 1: wan In Dickerson had a lot of injury issues. They
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  Speaker 1: got interior problems with injuries. We'll see what happens there, all.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So you know they signed this to Michael Jordan,
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  Speaker 3: not that Michael Jordan, the Hall of Fame basketball player,
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  Speaker 3: but Michael Jordan, the twenty eight year old journeyman guard Mike.
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  Speaker 3: And he's been with a bunch of teams. He's now
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  Speaker 3: on at six team. He was a fourth round pick
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  Speaker 3: of the Bengals at twenty nineteen, started over thirty games
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  Speaker 3: in his career. He's he's really at best a fourth guard.
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  Speaker 3: To me, Mike, they're not good enough at guard here.
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  Speaker 3: I know that. We know for a fact. They've cross
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  Speaker 3: trained Drew Kendell, who's going to be there. We're told
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  Speaker 3: he's going to be the backup center of this season.
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  Speaker 3: They cross trained Kennel at guard this offseason. Though he's
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  Speaker 3: put on pounds on a frame. I saw the walk
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  Speaker 3: right by me. I was surprised during the offseason program, Mike.
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  Speaker 3: But he's just not strong enough. He doesn't have a
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  Speaker 3: big frame. His dad, if you might remember, his dad, Pete,
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  Speaker 3: played for the Seahawks and the and the Jets, who
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  Speaker 3: is a really tough guy in the lineman. But Drew,
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  Speaker 3: he's a more of an athlete than a Mauller. That's
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  Speaker 3: my concerns of Mike. This is why Howie Roseman, you
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  Speaker 3: got to you gotta talk about the the the the
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  Speaker 3: front office. They've got to add quality depth of guard.
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  Speaker 3: This would wear me a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and obviously they need better depth all over the
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  Speaker 1: plate guard specifically, but you know last year, you know
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  Speaker 1: Fred Johnson. They had to make a trade to go
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  Speaker 1: get him, and it shows that they needed depth across
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  Speaker 1: that line and their offensive line had problems.
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  Speaker 2: When do you take a look at the past target group?
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  Speaker 2: How important is that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this one, Look, they have enough players. That's not
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  Speaker 3: the issue. It's the quality, all right. So we know
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  Speaker 3: that if McKayle lemon is healthy and knows the offense
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  Speaker 3: will be a starter. When they go to eleven personnel,
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  Speaker 3: Dntavian Wicks will come in, will play at one outside position,
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  Speaker 3: nor slave receiver. So there's eleven personnel. Then Brown will
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  Speaker 3: be what we call a rotational deeth, right, he'll rotate
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  Speaker 3: a little bit with He'll come in him and Wicks
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  Speaker 3: will play a little bit. Him and Smith will play
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  Speaker 3: when they go to speed package. So they have enough
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  Speaker 3: guys and Garis Cooper is a good story. That's not
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  Speaker 3: the problem. I just I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: The Eagles are counting on Dantavian Wicks, as they guaranteed
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  Speaker 3: nine million over these two seasons when they extended his
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  Speaker 3: contract a year. Wis to me has got to prove it.
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  Speaker 3: He did not have a good year with the Packers.
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  Speaker 3: I strongly believe he would not have and back he
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  Speaker 3: would have not made the Packers roster most likely had
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  Speaker 3: the Eagles not traded for him or someone else traded
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  Speaker 3: for him. So this is something to watch in training camp.
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  Speaker 3: Brown and Wicks and Brown Mike, he don't make the team.
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  Speaker 3: They fully guaranteed five million at signing. All the cash
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  Speaker 3: they own is fully guaranteed. So he's not going anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: But he has a been a factor in a while.
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  Speaker 3: Like disconcerned for me a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: All right, that's on the offensive side of the ball.
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  Speaker 1: We are taking a look at what will take for
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles to make a Super Bowl run. Those are
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  Speaker 1: some of the keys on the offense. What about Vic
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  Speaker 1: Fangio's defense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so something we've talked about a couple of times
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  Speaker 3: in the offseason. Mike is Vic Fangio, and we know
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  Speaker 3: historically talking to some people work with him in forty
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  Speaker 3: nine Ers, they love Vic, but they thought their defensive
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  Speaker 3: line was gassed by the time they came to the
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  Speaker 3: Super Bowl against the Ravens. That game out obviously New
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  Speaker 3: Orleans when the lights went out, but they felt like
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  Speaker 3: their d line was gassed. And we understand. Look, it's
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  Speaker 3: hard to argue with anything he does. He's brilliant, but man,
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  Speaker 3: he's got to be willing to rotate more. And part
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  Speaker 3: of that, Mike is Ty Robinson's got to be a factor.
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  Speaker 3: He barely played as a rookie. He didn't ear in
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  Speaker 3: the playing time. That's fine, but clin Hart, the d
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  Speaker 3: line coach, is great and fansho they've got to start
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  Speaker 3: developing this player. Barron Young, let's think about the bench.
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  Speaker 3: Eagles don't know that right now. So Ty Robinson might's
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  Speaker 3: got to start developing.
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, fourth round pick last year, and the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: have done a good job of finding these defensive tackles
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  Speaker 1: in the later rounds, right, I mean, they've done a
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  Speaker 1: good job of getting.
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  Speaker 2: Guys to be a rotational guy.
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  Speaker 1: So you're right, Robinson, if he could step up this year,
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  Speaker 1: what about at corner where they had a you know
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  Speaker 1: last year. Obviously he got up to a bumpy start.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it was great all year, but that
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  Speaker 1: constantly was in question last year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Look, let's let's be honest, mikeah Dory Jackson wasn't as
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  Speaker 3: bad as maybe some of us thought, but he wasn't
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  Speaker 3: good enough. That's why he's not back rig Wolm will
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  Speaker 3: start that obviously a done deal. Will start offs at Mitchell.
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  Speaker 3: Legals have two tall corners. They both could run. Will's
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  Speaker 3: got a lead size. He's six foot four one tenths
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  Speaker 3: of an inch. That's super tall for a corner. He's
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  Speaker 3: got to play consistently well. Again, this is about being
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  Speaker 3: a super Bowl team. It's something about making the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: It's not about winning the division. If they want to
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  Speaker 3: make a super Bowl run, he's got to play way better.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he was bent for a time last year,
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  Speaker 3: a short time and then he wind up being a starter.
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  Speaker 3: But he's got to play better. Mic and there's a
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  Speaker 3: reason why he signed a one year deal. It's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of money twelve million, but he's got to play
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  Speaker 3: consistently well. And then the other thing is John and
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  Speaker 3: Jones is the first corner off the bench. Like he
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  Speaker 3: turns thirty three in September, just after the season starts.
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  Speaker 3: It's very rare for a corner to play in thirty three,
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  Speaker 3: thirty four to thirty five. You don't know how good
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  Speaker 3: he's going to be. We'll start learning in training camp
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  Speaker 3: what he's got left. But if one doesn't play well,
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  Speaker 3: gets hurt. Jones is first up Mike, and they don't
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  Speaker 3: know it yet. So we're gonna learn a lot a
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  Speaker 3: lot about Jones at training camp and see what he's
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  Speaker 3: got left.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and then you know, you got Cooper dejean ye
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  Speaker 1: to a new position. This is a guy that's been
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  Speaker 1: a key factor in the defense the last two years
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  Speaker 1: and you're basically taking him out of that role and
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  Speaker 1: putting him in a new role. Is he going to
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  Speaker 1: be more impactful in this role than he was in
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  Speaker 1: that role.
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  Speaker 2: That's a big question for me.
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  Speaker 3: So they've left it open. Look, they're not They're thinking
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  Speaker 3: that wone will be good so they don't have to
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  Speaker 3: bench him. But what they could do, and I didn't
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  Speaker 3: really mention this with Jones, is let's let's say Wolln
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  Speaker 3: surreties out for four to six weeks, right, it's got
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  Speaker 3: an mcl spring. Let's say he's out or something and
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  Speaker 3: they are not. Let's say Jones has lost a step.
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  Speaker 3: They just like, they don't think he could play anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Goop will go back to the corner. That will happen like that,
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  Speaker 3: That's the only way it would happen. Right now, they
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  Speaker 3: have no plans for him to play corner. But if
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  Speaker 3: Wollen gets hurt or gets benched, but that would suck.
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  Speaker 3: If that have that's a lot of money. Jones can't
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  Speaker 3: play anymore. He just did thirty three that he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: look like he could play. You got it like Benjio
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  Speaker 3: doesn't care. He's gonna do whatever it takes to win.
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  Speaker 3: And that's that's one way Degen could go back to corner.
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  Speaker 3: But speaking of safety, he's just got to be comfortab
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  Speaker 3: with it. Uh. It's a position that he's mostly new to.
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  Speaker 3: Like that. He's played a little bit of safety in
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  Speaker 3: his football playing career, but very little and no obviously
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  Speaker 3: in this defense, it's brand new for him. He's got
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  Speaker 3: to be comfortable with it. Mike, Now, this will him
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  Speaker 3: going to safety. It alleviates the issue for them to
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  Speaker 3: make a big move in safety. They're obviously not going to.
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  Speaker 3: They can make a minor move and it sounds like
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  Speaker 3: they're going to add a safety by training camp. That's
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  Speaker 3: how he resumeated clear they want to do that. But
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  Speaker 3: they've got apps. They've got Michael Carter, he took a
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  Speaker 3: major pay cup. They've got Andre sam Coles, Newski Trolds
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  Speaker 3: coming back from a lower body injury. But he should
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  Speaker 3: be ready by training camp or just after it. But
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  Speaker 3: the bottom line is, Mike, they have enough players. Is
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  Speaker 3: it great? Mccouba, it's a chunk of the season, that
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  Speaker 3: safety position, Mike, it's got to get you up a
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  Speaker 3: little bit. We'll learn a lot more obviously in training
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  Speaker 3: camp about it.
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  Speaker 2: However, Now, when they.
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  Speaker 1: Traded for Michael Carter last year, I mean, he had
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  Speaker 1: been a guy who had been a productive NFL player
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  Speaker 1: with the Jets, Nicol It's just right exactly, but like
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  Speaker 1: it was he uh, not what they expected, not just
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  Speaker 1: because he came in, Like do they expect a better
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  Speaker 1: player than the one they traded for last year in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the year.
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  Speaker 3: Now, yeah, he barely played, only playing in diamond, And
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  Speaker 3: what we report at the time was they're going to
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  Speaker 3: start cross training him with safety. He was a terrific
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  Speaker 3: safety at Duke, and then the Jets felt like he'd
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  Speaker 3: be better off as a nickel defender, so he moved
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  Speaker 3: to nickel. Great, got extension for it, play regress, got
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  Speaker 3: bench twice, got traded to the Eagles. As we predicted
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  Speaker 3: what happened. If he's going to come back, he'd take
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  Speaker 3: a massive pay cut. He took his seventy five percent
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  Speaker 3: pay cut. He didn't have any choice to come back.
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  Speaker 3: I still believe he'll beat out Marcus Epps. We'll see
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  Speaker 3: what happens. He's younger. He to me, he's a better athlete,
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  Speaker 3: got better versatility. But Apps is a guy who knows
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  Speaker 3: his defense. He's been longer. So that's a good training
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  Speaker 3: camp battle, by the way, versus Carter.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely looking forward to see if Carter can be a
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  Speaker 1: bigger factor after the retreat than he was last year.
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  Speaker 2: To Coourian bennett' still here too, right.
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  Speaker 3: I know. It's so funny because I remember at the
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  Speaker 3: time of the trade, were like, you know, this guy
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  Speaker 3: was hoghy, thought of got bad shoulders. You know, that's
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  Speaker 3: a problem. He he bit on injured reserve twice, went
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  Speaker 3: on injured reserve unfortunately, had a pretty significant injury with
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  Speaker 3: the Eagles in September, the Tory pectorial muscle. Then he
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  Speaker 3: came back, you know, l later in the season and
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  Speaker 3: he just never could be a factor. He missed too
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  Speaker 3: much time. The Eagles made the trade late, as you
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  Speaker 3: remember in August last year. He is now in the
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  Speaker 3: final uvers rookie deal so because of the way it's
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  Speaker 3: it is, he's on the last series deal. He's not
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  Speaker 3: a lot to make the team, and he could run,
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  Speaker 3: but Tom's running out on him. Yeah, he is on
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  Speaker 3: the team, Mike for now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I remember when they made that trade. My buddy out
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: in Vegas was like, this guy was their best corner,
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: but he just didn't fit Pete carroll.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: System, you know.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, he's too small for what Pete likes to do.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: So he thought that the Eagles really made out in
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: that trade. I told him, you're gonna like Thomas Booker
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: a lot, you know, and he ended up being a
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: big factor for them. Bennett not a big factor here.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: We will start factoring in the Eagles run to the
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: super Bowl. July twenty eighth is when they report, and
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: we'll have it all right here on Football at four.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: And make sure you check out the most recent Inside
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: the Birds podcast, which you can get on all podcasting platforms.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Adam Kaplan, Thanks man, Thank you.