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The A’s Just Spent Money · The 3-0 Take

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Three O Take where we talk
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all things Major League Baseball.
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Here's Kyle Corwin and Nate Reyes.
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It all starts right now. Welcome back to the Three O Take
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presented by Sea Kick. This is episode 494.
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I'll be your host, Kyle Corden. I'm here with my Co host Nate
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Reyes. Nate.
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How? Yeah.
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How? Yeah.
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How? Yeah.
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How you doing? Double enough, huh?
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I mean, when's, when's the last time we've gotten a chance to
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talk about the A's in a positive light, much less the an
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offseason when we've got to talk about the A's?
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Because the only time you talk about teams during the offseason
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is when they're either, you know, spending money or, or, or
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making trades. I'm not.
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Super thrilled with the fact that you can't even find your
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polo. The Billy Bean polo, Yeah, it's
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I'd like burned it. She might have.
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I'd like to think that that's got to be like a within reach at
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all times. I thought it was right here on
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the table next to me where I left it, but it's gone.
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The thing strapped. Might have, might have thrown it
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away, might have burned it. That's not good.
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I don't know, but I appreciate that.
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What I do know is we're talking about the A's and the offseason
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and what a you know, what a day, what a day, what a day for the
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A's. This is a crazy day.
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This is a monumental day for the Oakland Socks.
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I saw that. Sorry, that was not intentional.
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Promise. Promise.
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The A's the athletics. Monumental day for the A's.
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Joking aside, you're going to have to help me with that.
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Like it's that's going to take some time to get used to, not
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just dropping Oakland A's. Like caught me some slack.
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It's weird that we can't even say Sacramento either.
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Can't say it. They don't want it.
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They don't have to say Sacramento is.
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You know what they do want, though?
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They want Luis Severino. And they went out and got him
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the the large, the richest deal in A's history at $67 million.
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I'll say, I'll say that again. The richest deal in the A's
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history at $67.67 dollars, $67 million.
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I've got broke on the brain. I've got broke on the brain,
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$67,000,000 to Luis Severino. What are your thoughts here,
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man? I mean, you like we can, we can
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make jokes, but I mean, we can, we can point to the fact that
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it's taken them quite literally 20 years to do this.
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Yeah, but they did it. You know, I feel like this is
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something you had to do with the whole move to Sacramento,
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eventual possible move to Vegas situation.
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This is this is I think where you had to start at the very
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least. What are your thoughts?
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I was trying to confirm there's an opt out after year 2 I
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believe right? Yes.
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That makes me feel a lot better. I was going to say I didn't love
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it. Now I really love it and here's
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why. Because I thought the opt out
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was after year 1 and why I love it having the opt out after year
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2 is because they basically saw an opportunity to, in my
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opinion, buy a nice little prospect hall if he's successful
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before the trade deadline. This is an investment to your
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farm system. That's how I see this.
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It's hey, this is like a a no lose situation in my mind
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because let's say he doesn't have a very good first half.
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Let's say he kind of regresses after 2024.
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At least you can look at the as be like, you know what, I'm
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proud of you for going for it. I don't think there's anybody
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out there that's going to hate on this deal.
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You say, you know what, you went for it.
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You saw an opportunity and you paid up and it's he got over
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what a lot of predictions said he was going to get.
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Yeah, I meant to look it up. What were what was he?
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What was he pegged to get? Not that, not that.
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No. Well, you have to overpay if
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you're the Oakland if you're the A's.
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See, but that's The thing is that you have to overpay.
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I, I think these estimations are wrong.
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I really do no, I think a lot of people, I think a lot of these
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guys are getting higher, are going to be getting higher
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contracts in these estimations well at.
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Least from a pitching standpoint.
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The starting That's the starting pitcher pool.
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Yeah, that's that's mostly what we've seen go thus far like the
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sort of like the middle tier guys.
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But it in this case, I don't know if it was necessarily the
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estimate was wrong. I think it was more, again, the
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fact that the the A's were going to have to overpay because at
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the ultimately who's going, who's choosing to sign up for
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this unless you're getting well over what you were expected to.
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Get yeah, I mean, I understand. And and not to mention he's
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going to pitch in a minor league ballpark, which is much smaller
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than what Oakland was. He was he.
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They had him projected at three years, $51 million.
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Yeah. So that's a good chunk over but.
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16,000,000. Kind of rounding out my point
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here, I think the reason I like so much at the opt out is that
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after the second year is because if if he does have a successful
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first half and you decide, you know, we're out of it.
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As you know, the A's typically are around that that time of
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year and they ship him out of town.
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You're giving, you're not just selling a rental.
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This isn't a one year deal that, you know, you're signing a
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veteran to that you can get something at the deadline for
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you're you're sending this guy for a year and a half, possibly
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2 1/2 years if he decides to, you know, pick up that option.
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So I really like this. I really like this.
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I like it for Severino. I like it for the A's and I like
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it for whatever team is potentially buying in at that
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deadline. And in reality, what is it, $10
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million signing bonus? I like that.
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What does that break out to you like 20-2 ish?
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Yeah, 22 and change per year. Also, I think I read somewhere
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that the A's are trying to get to $100 million payroll.
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Yes, this year. That's the goal.
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Yeah, trying to ramp it up to a hundred 100 million, but by by
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the end of this offseason, correct.
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That's what I thought. Like going into 2025, that's
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what I thought. Yeah, I'm a fan.
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And look like this isn't, this isn't some bit on the Severino
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thing, at least for me, I won't speak for you, but like go back,
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go back to the start. And we just went over this when
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we did our, we did our look back on our hot takes once the year
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was over. It was just a couple episodes
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ago. And we, we went back to the
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can't didn't see this coming award or something like that.
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And I'd, I'd put Severino's name into the mix in terms of like
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this is something I'm just keep an eye on Severino.
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This is going to be something that you know a lot of people
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aren't going to see coming down the pipe giving him props before
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the season started been like this.
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I think this is maybe not a breakout year, but like this is
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going to be some sort of somewhat of a bounce back for
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Severino and he was I think he I think he upheld his end of the
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bargain in that regard. I.
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And I think he I think he is making money that he earned
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because I agree, there was flashes, really, really good
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flashes with the Yankees. And I've always been a fan.
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I've always had that inkling that he was going to succeed
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after he left couple injury stints.
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But like overall, I think the ceiling is pretty high.
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I think he can be better than what he was in 2024.
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I think he has more in the tank. Yeah, I I would agree.
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So this is like a building block.
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You know, 2024 with the Mets was like a confidence boost.
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Like, hey, I still got it. I think I can tap into what I
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used to be. And now he's going to do it in
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Sacramento, potentially finishing the year somewhere
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else for a relatively friendly trade number.
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I mean, I think what would that he'll, he'll be at like 10
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million for the rest of the year if someone trades for him and
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then on the 22 and change the next year.
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So this is a smart deal. I'm actually really impressed
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with the A's. The more I talk about it, the
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more impressed I get. I'm I'm still fixated on the
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numbers if I'm being honest. The 67,000,000 being the
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largest. It's pretty sad.
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Guaranteed deal in franchise history.
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But like I said, yeah, I mean, what's done is done.
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But the fact that, you know, they're starting out this next
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chapter with with the move such as this, I like it.
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And you know, it's it's not a it's not a move that like they
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didn't just go out and recklessly sign like Max Freed
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and like, OK, there there's our guy.
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Like they're there. Are you happy now, fans?
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We went out and spent money. No, like this is, say what you
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will about ownership, the front office, what have you, but I
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feel like this was it like you were saying this was a smart
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baseball move. Like there's going to there.
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Like if, if it doesn't go the way you hoped for on the field
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as a team, there's there's a route you can take with
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Severino. If it does go well, there's a
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route you can take with Severino.
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So like this, this wasn't, you know, reckless spending.
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This was a again, you probably overpay, overspend a little bit,
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but you had to because again, who's coming, who's, who's
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signing up for the, for the athletics experience right now,
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Not many, if any. So you're going to have to spend
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a little bit more. And you know, I think this will
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work out both for both parties. I, I really love the structure
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of this deal. I love, I love the opt out after
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year 2 move. Like I, I would copy and paste
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this I, I could look at a bunch of other teams across the league
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and say you can very much copy and paste this deal, this
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structure with a bunch of other names in the free agent list.
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I really like this. Like to me, I think we all saw
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what the Blake Snell thing was going to be.
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The opt out after year 1 was A was a no duh kind of thing if
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anything. Like shame on the Giants.
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Shame on the Giants for not moving him.
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So whatever. I was reading through the
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article. The Eric Eric Chavez deal was
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the prior record holder for the A's.
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What's crazy is that at the 66 million, it was a six year deal.
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Correct. Yeah.
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And then for, for a three-year deal, the largest, the largest
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total that or the, the highest total that they'd spent on a
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three-year deal was for Billy Butler, which was 30 million.
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Good old Billy. So they more than they more than
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doubled their largest the the last time they spent this much
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money on a three-year deal, more than doubled it.
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Yeah, I wonder where I'll start. I mean, they still got a long
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way to go. They still, I, I think this is,
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I don't know what it, I don't know overall payroll what
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they're looking at, but I think they're only in like the 50s
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right now. So they still like, if the goal
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is to get to 100, they still got a lot more to do.
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And I think it's it's tough because I'm not, I don't know if
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the arbitration deals have been put into those current numbers
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yet for some of the contract websites.
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Their payroll at this past season was 47.2 million.
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Yeah, 'cause I think after, after the arbitration deals get
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done, they're, they're like in the 50s, close to 60 at the like
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at the moment without any other signings.
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So go get an Anthony Santander. You won't.
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Don't push the buttons, Nate. Let's not get let's not get
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carried away now. Like, I think baby steps are to
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be applauded here, but I don't think that we need to be taking
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leaps like Santander, you know, leap, you know, good for Savvy
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for going out and getting his bag.
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But let's leave. Let's leave a guy like Santander
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for the rest of the league to choose.
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Go get you a bag. Bregman is on the market.
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Go get him. OK, Yeah.
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And while you're at it, just round out the rotation, go get
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freed, go get Burns there. You go get it done.
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Trade for crochet? Good.
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Trade for sale, even good? Why not get a Cy Young winner in
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the rotation? Why not?
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What's crazy is that they can if they really wanted to.
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What? Do you think, I mean, what do
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you think it would take to get Otani in Oakland?
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Excuse me, Sacramento. Stop saying it.
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I've already slipped up three times.
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Yeah, it's not good. We're we're just just now 15
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minutes into this thing. Figure it out.
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All right, well, that's enough on the Oakland A's.
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Kudos to the A's. Big, big time stuff.
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Big time stuff there for the A's.
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What's not so much big time is Aroldis Chapman landing in
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Boston. I hate it, I don't like it and I
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wish it never happened. That's that's sort of my
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thoughts. If you were hoping for my
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thoughts on on Aroldis Chapman to the Red Sox, those are my
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thoughts. On a baseball sensor, you
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someone happy? No, come on, I'm not.
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I'm not. I I mean, yeah, he's a baseball
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sense. He's got good strikeouts,
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swinging, missed off That's we know this.
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But just as easily he can cost a game for you.
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We've seen it. He's been memes time and time
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again because of it. You're not wrong in the biggest
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spots. Not saying he has to be perfect,
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but it's also rolled as Chapman like have some read the room,
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Boston read the room. There's just certain guys.
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You just don't you just don't go after.
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You know, that would be like the Red Sox going out and getting
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Manny Machado. You know, it's like no, read the
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room. You don't want to bring in a guy
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who ended arguably one of the the most fan favorite players in
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Dustin Bedroy. You don't want to you.
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And whether or not you want to say he actually ruined Dustin
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Bedroy's career is another thing.
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But it's like a read the room situation.
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You're not going to go out and get a guy like Manny Machado.
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And you certainly should not have gone out and gotten guy
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like Aroldis Chapman. That's just to me, that's common
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sense. But maybe they're looking past
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that and going, you know what, like we need to fill some holes.
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I just wish, however, they would have filled the hole or or holes
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plural, if they if they were hoping to get more bullpen help
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was again, Tanner Scott. I feel like that's a target for
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a lot of teams. But if if it comes back to this,
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this belief that the Red Sox are going to be spending and we'll,
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we'll touch on it with the Soto thing.
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But it's like, OK, if that's the case, if if we're opening up the
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checkbook, why are we settling for a guy like Arrold Chapman?
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Why not just spend the extra few $1,000,000 and go get a guy like
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or how you know, whatever it ends up being AAV wise, go out
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and get a guy like Tanner Scott. You bring up a good point and I
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think that's that's one of the biggest bugaboos that I saw with
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this deal is that like again, we're seeing names that should
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typically fall towards the back end of free agency going right
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now. But I agree, like if the Red Sox
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are going to come out and say we're going to spend, I don't
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understand the one year veteran probably set up occasional save
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role. Like I don't, I don't understand
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that. Yeah, I mean, if, if Liam
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Hendricks is your guy coming into 2025, which all signs point
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to that, I'm OK with that. I'm OK with that.
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If that's the case, you can assume that with, with friend of
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the pod Liam Hendrix's, you know, injury history and, and,
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and all that, that Chapman is going to have to eventually step
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in for the occasional save and, and may even end up with more
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saves. And some people might
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anticipate, depending upon how things go.
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But. Would you rather have seen like
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Kenley come back? No, with, I hate to say it, but
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with the way with the way things ended there, it just left a real
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sour taste in my mouth. I just was not a fan of it.
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He, he already had a foot out the door, it seemed, and was
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just, I don't know, I was pleased with what he did for us
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over the, the multiple years that he was in Boston, but I was
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happy to close that door. And it was really more of a
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bridge, at least this year. I think people were viewing this
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year as a bridge to get to Liam anyway, because we, Liam was
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recovering and they're going OK, Kenley, what Kenley's been doing
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for us is great. And he had a, he had a good year
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overall, But I think people were, were looking at that with
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the assumption that this isn't his job in 2025.
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And I think he looked at it that way as well.
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Yeah, but like I said, I mean, I just, I don't really fully
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understand the we're going to spend, you know, you're you're
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you're putting it out there that you're in on all these free
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agents and they they still may very well land some of these
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guys. It's just it's it's an odd move
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to me when there's when you're talking about spending, there's
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better relievers out there. It's is there like an underlying
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Yankee jab that's trying to happen here?
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Like I'm, I'm just, I'm a little lost on like the overall timing
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of the decision. I understand, look, I understand
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this if it's again, like if it's January 25th and you know, most
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of the big names are gone, you've already spent some money
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on some guys. This is like a filler deal.
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It's just odd to me, that's all, with again to.
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To touch on the Soto thing, if your plan as the Boston Red Sox
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was to sort of lay a foundation this offseason, this free agency
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of saying like, hey, we're going to show you that we're serious.
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We're going to go out and make some some pre emptive moves
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here. Talking to Soto, of course, and
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being like, hey, we're serious about this.
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We're already in the process of, I mean, the, the youthful talent
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that we've already got. We're we're good there, we're
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set, but we want to we want to take the extra step, show you
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that we are serious about acquiring you and we're going to
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go out we're going to go out and sign a frontline starter, maybe
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2 and then think about whether or not this is a good fit.
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Instead of doing that, they they went out and got a guy like a
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rollers Chapman, which who's to say?
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I mean, we may wake up tomorrow and we and get the news that Max
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Reid's coming to Boston and maybe this is all for not, but I
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just feel like there would have been a better way to go about it
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and and and better names to go about it with.
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But I understand though, if, if even some of these pictures,
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because some of them are Boris clients, if it's all depend upon
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Soto first. So maybe maybe that that's not
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even a scenario, a realistic scenario.
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Maybe you can't go out and and get a guy like Burns or
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something because you have to wait for the Soto domino domino
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to fall. I don't know, but I just wish, I
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just wish it was anybody else except Chapman.
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I mean, I don't know Taylor Scott, anybody else.
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Hoffman was another name that I think was linked to the Sox
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earlier this offseat. Like, I mean, you know, Kirby
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Yates, you know, basically the same age also had a really good
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year. I mean, my only thought is that
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they're they're trying to go into this with the whole Andrew
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Bailey school of Hard Knocks kind of kind of thing and go,
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you know, he's already got swing and miss stuff.
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Let's see if we can maximize it even further, which maybe, you
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know, too much of A reach given his age and and what he's
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already done. I don't know.
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Like you said, like that, I one of the bigger issues is that
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when he's in a ballpark like this, he he, we've watched him
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work himself into a jam more often than not in in big
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moments. And I think that's why he's
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falling out of the closer role. I don't know if he's going to
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permit. I don't, I don't know if Liam
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Hendricks is going to be able to come off an injury and and have
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a 3035 save season. And like you were saying, you're
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going to need him in some of these moments in a ballpark like
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Fenway, like you walk two guys and you give up a bomb it like
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you're never out of it in Fenway already.
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That's already a mentality and did not have.
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I don't know. I mean, Clay Holmes would have
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been a better fit there, you know what I mean?
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Like a ground ball guy, but somebody that has done what he's
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done and had the track record. I don't I it's just, again, it's
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kind of a confusing move for me. For as much crap as I gave you
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for Clay Holmes this year, I would have much rather had Clay
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Holmes. Like anybody about to roll this
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Chapman. Because I can already see it.
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I can already see it in my head, and I can see it in my Twitter
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feed. There's going to be a picture of
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a ball that goes 600 feet over the green Monster, and he's just
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going to be staring at the Green Monster.
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Yeah, with not a thought behind those eyes.
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Except he's going to. Sucks so weird in the uniform.
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Oh, it's going to be terrible. And all these people saying
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like, well, how Red Sox fans have to change their tune.
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No, majority of Red Sox fans still can't stand the guy,
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really can't. And like, this is not nearly to
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the same effect. But this is like when we got
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Tommy Pham and people were like, well, Tommy Pham, how do you
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feel? No, still don't really like the
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guy. And I was glad when when he was
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out of there. So this is just much worse
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though, because it's a role as Chapman, but.
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I I feel like your franchise is just extremely tone deaf
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sometimes. And we were off to such a good
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start again for the third time with this whole Soto thing.
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It did. If we if the Red Sox are a
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serious contender here, you're already working in the right
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direction in terms of the like in the eyes of your fans, the
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the PR is moving in the right direction.
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But then you go out and you stunt that with a signing of a
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role as Chapman. Doesn't make any sense.
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Didn't didn't seem to read the room tone deaf like you said.
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What's a what's a failure of an offseason in your eyes?
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Like a realistic failure? Obviously you can say they don't
24:47
sign anybody and that's a failure, duh, But a realistic
24:50
they're going to get somebody. But what is a failed offseason?
24:55
Well, what did I say a few episodes ago?
24:57
I think you need like, well, this isn't I would have liked
25:03
maybe a Tanner Scott, one of these, one of the big three arms
25:08
now 2 arms with Snell off the board and.
25:12
Like a mid level and a power bat.
25:15
Yeah, maybe a guy like Tay Oscar, but there's reports
25:19
floating around now a credible or not, I'm not sure.
25:21
I've looked into it, looked at it.
25:24
It seemed more pointed. So I thought that maybe there
25:27
was some validity to to the Tay Oscar to back to LA situation
25:32
because it wasn't all these people just being like, oh, Tay
25:34
Oscar's going back to LA. It was like one or two reports.
25:38
But a guy like Tay Oscar, like give me Tay Oscar, give me
25:42
fried, give me Scott and I'm OK, I'm I'm happy.
25:46
But if? Say you say you get.
25:50
Say you get. No more bullpen arms.
25:55
You get burns and you bring back Tyler O'Neill.
26:00
How do you feel? Not good enough.
26:03
Not good enough, so you you really need a a good bat plus
26:08
the top three. Well, if you're not going to
26:09
give me bullpen help, I'm going to need a better bat.
26:13
It's, it's like those, it's like those exercises.
26:15
You know, when it's like there's three things and it's like you
26:18
can only have two. But when you try to do that,
26:21
when you try to get that third thing, then one of the other
26:23
things gives, you know what I'm talking about.
26:25
It's like those sliders. It's basically like that.
26:27
If you're, if you're going to give me 0 bullpen help, then the
26:30
starter that we get and the bat that we get are going to have to
26:33
be on the other end of the spectrum here, like in, in a
26:36
good way. And if if you give me no bullpen
26:40
and you're saying, hey, you can have Tyler O'nell back, no.
26:46
I do think Yoshida gets flipped for an arm.
26:50
I. Do think that I do think that
26:51
happens somewhere. I love that It's probably after
26:56
seeing what happens, the dominoes of Sodo plus the the
27:02
three arms. Anyway, just curious.
27:06
You need a big offseason, man. That's that's you have high
27:10
expectations. Like a month ago, this whole
27:13
soda thing wasn't even on my radar, But here we are with like
27:17
multiple reports from I think reporters that we can trust.
27:20
Not all of these reports, but some reports have made it clear
27:24
that the Red Sox at the very least are in the mix.
27:27
And they've they've extended all they they've extended out
27:30
legitimate offers. So I'm like, all right, well, I
27:32
wasn't expecting much coming into this offseason, but it like
27:35
if this is if this is where we're planting our flag, like if
27:37
this is the direction we're headed, then I'm going to need
27:40
to see a little bit more if the soda thing falls through.
27:43
You just want to get into it? Sure.
27:47
Just want to get into soda? Get a soda thing.
27:52
Hold that thought. Just just very briefly here.
27:57
We'll we'll get into this other thing.
27:58
Your guy. Hi, Sung Kim was posted.
28:03
And I'm not going to lie, it's still it's still kind of throws
28:06
me off. I didn't understand.
28:07
Yeah, still throws me off, But no, if you're listening, you
28:11
don't. You have no idea who we're
28:12
talking about. It's not Ha Song Kim, it's Hai
28:14
Song Kim. South Korean All Star Second
28:17
Baseman was posted this week and will be eligible to sign as a
28:22
free agent through January 3rd. Desperate times, folks,
28:31
Desperate times. This is where we're at right now
28:32
in the offseason. I'm pretty sure I read a passing
28:37
tweet saying he doesn't think this will be like a big league
28:49
impact player right away. Baseball America had described
28:55
it as a situation of they they said a team laning Kim will
29:01
likely view him as a top or bottom of the order hitter who
29:03
will hit for average and make plenty of contact from the left
29:05
side. But their concerns his lack of
29:07
power could limit his impact. He's going to give you great
29:11
defense, Said he's won the KBO equivalent of the Gold Glove
29:16
twice at second base. But he's played 1000, roughly
29:22
1000 games in the KBO and has just 37 home runs.
29:28
How old is this guy? 1000 Games. 26 in January.
29:37
Whatever. I I don't know.
29:39
I don't know if I have a landing spot necessarily.
29:42
I'd I'd to be honest with you, I didn't even know why it made
29:44
headlines like. I I understand that's what I
29:46
meant. Slower point of the slower point
29:48
in the offseason here, but I'm like you do.
29:52
I mean, you just go very surface level with with the numbers here
29:55
and it's like, don't we already have like a bunch of these guys
29:58
in the league already that kind of fill out this?
30:01
That's what I'm saying is that I feel like every organization has
30:04
somebody in the farm. I think probably.
30:10
I think it's just. A.
30:11
Baseball situation where anytime somebody gets posted coming over
30:17
from either Japan, South Korea, they're like.
30:20
I'd almost rather him stay put so I don't have to deal with the
30:25
confusions, yeah. I did see that he was where is
30:30
it was teammates with Hassan Kim.
30:37
Exhausting. Maybe they're used to it over
30:42
there. Hassan Kim, Hassan Kim, No,
30:45
there's not that big of a deal. There's no way.
30:47
I mean, I'm sure they pronounce it a little bit different than
30:49
us us American folk, but. Yeah.
30:53
That still would have to sound awfully similar.
30:56
No? I don't know.
30:58
That would lead to some pretty wild confusion.
31:02
Speaking of Speaking of confusion.
31:04
I want to put it in Google, see what it says.
31:08
See what what says in Korean. Hi Seon SE, it's H.
31:18
HYESEONG. Just make sure the volume's up.
31:33
Please don't play an ad. Welcome to this pronunciation
31:35
video. Today we will be focusing on a
31:37
new word that you might find challenging or intriguing.
31:40
So let's dive into today's word. Put it up to the mic, which
31:43
means comet incoming. You talked over it.
31:46
So we'll put it up to the mic. Nobody can hear it today's.
31:48
Word Hey song. Which hey song?
31:51
Comet in Korean. Comet.
31:53
So let's dive into today's word Hey Song, which means comet Hey
31:59
Song, Comet Kim. Comet Kim.
32:02
It's Hey Song again. Hey versus Ha.
32:06
Well, I'm an American. He's not.
32:09
They're pronouncing it right. I'm not stupid redneck.
32:13
Stupid. I'm just going to call it.
32:15
Call him Comet Kim. I like that.
32:18
That's way better. Way better way.
32:20
Comet. Comet Kim.
32:22
Super cool name. There's a lot of potential
32:24
there. Yeah, I can see the signs and
32:26
the shirts already. Yeah.
32:28
Anyway, let's talk about these, these Juan Soto updates.
32:35
The last five teams reportedly in the mix, according to John
32:41
Heyman, which I don't take a, a thing that guy says seriously,
32:45
but I it's sort of the gist of what we're getting from
32:50
everybody else. So I'm like, OK, I probably, I
32:54
mean, it's not, it's not much of A stretch.
32:58
I couldn't be more done with John Heyman.
33:00
I'm so out on John Heyman, but I can't stand the guy.
33:04
The guy rephrases his tweet. Every every day it's the same
33:08
material. He just, he just swaps the word
33:11
out. And he flip flops on like
33:13
anything that has to do with the Yankees.
33:15
Two weeks ago, he's like, yeah, I'm, I'm, I don't think they're
33:17
getting them now. He's like, I think their chances
33:20
are really high. I I'm so done with you.
33:23
I'm so done with John Heyman. I'll take any other reporter.
33:29
I'm fully out. John Heyman sucks.
33:34
He blocks me. I feel like any time we bring up
33:38
John Heyman, I need to, I need to reshare the story.
33:40
He blocked me. I forgot.
33:41
So I'm happy you did. Yeah, he blocked me because he
33:46
he used the word. What was the word?
33:52
Full throated in a tweet. And I'm like, John, what is
33:56
this? That's right.
33:58
That did get some headline. I was like attention.
34:00
I was like, John, I understand it's a real word and it's not a
34:04
typo, but like, is there not? I was like, what?
34:07
What are we doing here? What are you?
34:08
Trying to say yeah what? What are we after here?
34:11
Didn't respond to me and just blocked me and I'm like OK
34:13
whatever but you? Like there's no, there's no
34:17
other way to like, put that like you.
34:21
It's your fault. You sounded like an idiot.
34:23
We're not connecting dots that aren't.
34:26
Yeah, we're not just, like making things up.
34:29
Yeah. Anyway, he said.
34:30
All five teams, Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, Red Sox, Jays remain in
34:33
Juan Soto Derby and don't assume anyone's a heavy favorite, he
34:38
has said. Very patient in his selection
34:40
process, parentheses like who's at bats?
34:43
Goodwin, John. But his decision is believed
34:47
within days. Which is weird because we heard,
34:54
I I've heard. I've heard he's going to wait it
34:56
out. Well, I've heard it's coming
34:58
before winter. Winter meetings.
35:00
Yeah, I, I saw Monday at the latest.
35:04
So it's like is, is he patient? Is he waiting it out or are we
35:08
looking at Monday, I'm going to be honest, even sooner.
35:11
I'm just over this. I'm I'm done with it.
35:14
I'm over the. The waiting it out, I'm playing
35:18
it out. I'm I'm over it.
35:20
No, you know what I'm over is every day you open up your feed,
35:24
the the contract estimate has gone up, Ken Rosenthal said
35:29
today. It's.
35:30
Like 1.3 billion. He could see it at 15 years, 750
35:34
million. What are we doing?
35:36
What? Just give him a billion dollars
35:38
and get it over with. Like if this is where we're
35:41
headed, like if we're already surpassing Otani's contract And
35:44
and please people in the comments, spare me on the age
35:47
thing. I understand that Soto is
35:49
significantly younger than Otani.
35:51
That's not the point. The point, The reason I I
35:54
brought up the comparison between Soto and Otani and that
35:58
and that quote graphic that has seemingly gone viral on
36:00
Instagram. People either strongly agree or
36:05
can't stand a word that I say. Apparently the reason I said
36:08
that is I said we're pushing Otani money with a guy that
36:12
can't, is not going to blow away with the speed, can't play
36:14
defense. And yeah, and I said that people
36:18
just lost their minds. And I'm like, this has nothing
36:22
to do with age. This is looking at what Otani
36:26
can do, assuming he pitches this year, which he's slated to do.
36:31
And not to mention it's, you look at the income or not the
36:36
income, but the economy. And we talked about that last
36:40
time we talked to Otani, the just the economy that he brought
36:42
over with Japan. It's common business sense that
36:46
regardless if, if, if Soto is what, 6 years younger, it
36:51
doesn't matter. You're bringing over an entire
36:53
economy and you're like the Unicorn of baseball.
36:58
So the fact that we're talking about a guy like Juan Soto, as
37:01
good as he is, as much of A generational talent as he is,
37:04
the fact that we're now talking about him earning more money
37:08
like it was, it was pushing Otani money.
37:10
Now the estimate, according to Ken Rosenthal, is is more money,
37:14
$750 million. And and we've talked about it,
37:18
he has attributes that don't play well when you start getting
37:22
to a certain age, when you get above 3233, he's already slow.
37:26
Now I'm not saying he's he's not slow.
37:29
He's definitely not fast. Defense is slightly below
37:34
average. It's not going to get better.
37:38
So in reality, like I see this is standing all over again, but
37:43
with potentially less power down the road, we're talking year
37:49
1012 more athletic. That power is going to go down.
37:53
The ABS are going to remain the same.
37:55
I think he his eye is going to be his eye.
37:57
Like he he's always going to have good ABS.
38:00
He's always going to walk. He's always going to spray it
38:03
all over the field. I'm not saying he's going to be
38:05
a bad hitter, but you can't expect the same numbers, you
38:13
know what I mean? Like I understand what Otani's
38:17
getting because his attributes are still there.
38:19
He's older and he's still doing things more athletically, more
38:23
impressively with an entire country bringing their market as
38:30
far as viewership goes and merchandise goes.
38:34
So it's silly to me, man. It's silly, but I can see it
38:38
now. It's it's January 15th, the new
38:43
offer is he won't sign until there's a statue outside of the
38:47
stadium and Steve Cohen steps down from ownership and he now
38:51
steps in his owner player and golden rule has now gone into
38:58
effect and he gets to hit 6 * a game having 750 at bats every
39:04
season and he makes a Billy. That's my new prediction.
39:10
Ken Rosenthal kind of out on you too, by the way.
39:14
Yeah, I think it's like that Simpsons meme with the guy
39:19
that's in the shadow just smoking the cigarette.
39:21
That's Jeff Passan. He's just waiting.
39:23
He's. Just going to love Jeff Passan.
39:24
He is the goat. You know he's the goat.
39:28
I have my thoughts on Jeff Passan at times, but at the end
39:31
of the day he. I got nervous when he does his
39:33
job well the the woge guy from the NBA.
39:37
Oh yeah, he stepped. Out took the GM job somewhere.
39:40
I thought we might we just passing.
39:41
Crazy because they were like, I think we're going to steal
39:44
passing like for a for a drowning NBA.
39:48
That product sucks. No shot you tried to put on an
39:52
NBA game recently. It's horrendous.
39:55
I've. Heard nothing but terrible
39:57
things about this cup thing that they were doing.
39:59
Horrendous. What is that?
40:01
What is this NASCAR? It's some mid season cup and
40:04
they paint their all their courts so you turn a game on now
40:07
it's like. Oh, I saw that too.
40:09
It it looks like like a colorful backgammon board.
40:13
It looks insane. That's what baseball is headed
40:16
for. Manfred Ball just you hold on,
40:19
you hold on tight. All right, well, that brings us
40:23
to that brings us to maybe a a new segment that I think we're
40:27
going to we're going to introduce here.
40:31
Do you want to, you want to give the people the rundown here as
40:33
to what we're doing? And the reason I transition
40:36
from, from what we just talked about is because this is a
40:38
relevant, this is a relevant quote I I pulled.
40:42
So go ahead and and share with the people what we're doing
40:44
here. We are.
40:45
We are going back in the archives.
40:46
We are digging deep into the receipts and picking out quotes.
40:54
One of us have said something in the past.
40:57
Maybe it's crazy. Maybe it's on point.
41:01
More often than not, it's going to be wrong, but either way,
41:04
we're going to pull these quotes out and maybe just do a little a
41:10
little research based on that. So the inaugural guess that
41:16
quote, hit me with it. You ready for it?
41:20
I'm ready. It is like why we have to.
41:51
Find out who say what's. It called name.
41:53
What's it called name? What's it called?
41:54
Name. What's it called?
41:55
Name whose? Quote was this.
41:56
Love that. How about that?
41:56
That's huge. You like that?
41:57
Is that Is that AI made? No, that was me in my garage.
42:00
I knew it. All right, guess that quote and
42:04
it's a little relevant. Like I said, I didn't go for a
42:07
super like edgy one. We'll we'll get into some weird
42:10
quotes. Not as edgy as that song.
42:13
Preach. We've said some weird things
42:15
over the years, but so. We'll get to, so we'll get to
42:19
let's. Start a little more relevant,
42:21
all right? Who said this?
42:23
Was it me or you? Yeah.
42:26
This is. I mean, I don't like giving too
42:28
much praise too early, but Juan Soto is doing things at his age
42:32
that no one's ever done. He's on pace to be incredible,
42:34
truly incredible. And so I don't even know if
42:37
generational talent is a sufficient description.
42:40
I think it's bigger than that. I think this is possibly a
42:43
monumental player, but it's kind of a catch 2222, right?
42:47
If they spend a half a billion dollars on them to stick around,
42:50
how much money do they have to build around him, Right?
42:53
So that's got to be part of the thought process for Soto as
42:56
well. Is that OK?
42:57
Well, if I say if I do get my dream contract and I stay put,
43:01
do they have enough pieces that are going to be able to support
43:04
me? Do they have enough money to get
43:06
those pieces? Both of those seem like a no.
43:09
This was from episode 282 of The Frail.
43:13
Tape. Going back to May 19th, 2022,
43:18
the episode titled Pay Juan Soto a Billion Dollars.
43:21
Look at us, look at us. Oh, hit the nail on the head
43:30
with the quote. Still how that that still holds
43:33
up. How about that?
43:35
I'd say based on the song lyrics that aged like like wine.
43:42
I think I said it. Well done, well done.
43:50
You. Nailed it.
43:51
I mean it's that was that was May of 2022 and we're just I
43:59
think was that I think maybe sarcastically.
44:03
I I mean I had to I'd have to go back and hear the tone of your
44:05
voice when you said that or, or just the tone of the
44:07
conversation. We were talking about that, but
44:11
we are probably like we're exaggerating a little bit with,
44:14
you know, we're just throwing around half a billion dollars
44:16
and here we are talking about 3/4 of a billion dollars two
44:20
years later. Here we are potentially 150, two
44:25
$100 million off. That's ridiculous.
44:35
Analyzing a little bit. I mean, I, I think there I, I
44:39
think it still holds up because this is my entire argument for
44:44
any Yankees fans that really want them more than anything is
44:48
that like they're not in a perfect spot if they do pull
44:54
this off and they don't have enough money to continue to fill
44:59
the team around him. In my mind, there's there's
45:03
really only, well, it depends on the structure, but probably one
45:07
or two teams that can pull that off.
45:11
So I think it holds up. I wonder what that was for.
45:17
Why were we so randomly in on May 19th?
45:20
What did he do something on May 18th?
45:25
Did you just do something insane?
45:27
Was it like a three home run game?
45:29
22 Would that have been when he got the offer from the
45:33
Nationals? That that, that could make
45:39
sense. What was May 19th, 2022?
45:48
What day of the week was that? Oh, you know what this may have
45:55
been? I think this was.
45:57
Was Thursday. That's that's, yeah, I think
46:03
that is what we were talking about.
46:04
That's when he rejected the fifteen, $440 million extension
46:08
by the Nationals during twenty. Yeah, that that's exactly what
46:11
that was about. In May.
46:15
Yeah, because this it was coming up to the to the trade deadline
46:20
and you know, a couple months. How much did he turn down from
46:22
the trade deadline, 15440? And I think our whole thing was
46:31
like, oh, Juan, Soda deserves more than that.
46:33
But not 750, you know? Yeah, no, I think, I think 600
46:41
is, I mean, trust me, it is definitely numbers that are much
46:45
lower that I think are adequate for human beings, but.
46:50
In terms of value. Yeah, I think 600 is enough.
46:57
Let's just just call it there. Good first quote.
47:02
Good first quote. Thank you.
47:04
That's a good pull. Appreciate it.
47:07
It's a good pull. Very timely.
47:10
Great song. How's the throat?
47:15
You OK? You were wailing.
47:17
You were you were getting after it.
47:19
Yeah, that was definitely me for sure.
47:21
No, definitely. You want to run it back just one
47:23
more time since it's just, since it made us let.
47:25
People know. Yeah, I like you want.
47:27
To run it back, yeah. We have to find out whose quote
47:59
was this. All right, important.
48:00
To anyone wearing Airpods, I'm sure.
48:02
I'm looking forward to playing that.
48:05
I'm looking forward to playing that.
48:07
That's a good one. I'm up.
48:09
I'm up next week. You.
48:11
Got some quote and I'll have to guess.
48:14
Big fan. Quote was this somebody said
48:17
what Creed album? Yep, no, that's definitely
48:23
Creed. That is definitely Creed for
48:26
sure. That was me.
48:28
That was Creed featuring me. I was I was there when they
48:31
recorded that actually. All right, let's let's let's
48:34
call it there. Let's get out of there.
48:36
We'll see you guys Monday, Barney.
48:42
I sure hope nothing happens over the weekend.
48:44
If if the whole Monday thing for Soto is true.
48:48
Oh, talk about perfect timing. We'll just record later that
48:51
night, but if not, we'll play it by ear.
48:54
I guess you may catch a surprise little emergency pod.
48:58
I don't know. You heard?
48:59
What's going to happen? It's going to be January 15th.
49:02
The statue is halfway done. For a billion dollars.
49:04
Yeah, in a new ownership spot. Looking forward to it.
49:07
Don't go chasing curveballs, guys.
49:09
We love you all and as always, looking forward to talking more
49:11
baseball with you guys soon. Until next time, stay filthy.