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The Ron Verb Show - 3pm Hour Monday - 08/24/26 · Ron Verb

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  Speaker 1: Ron Verb on NewsRadio 570 WKBN.
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  Speaker 2: And Heidi Ho, NewsRadio 570 WKBN and Ron Verb. Welcome,
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  Speaker 2: one and all, 305. It's Monday, almost the end of August, man.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine that? It's August 24th. Canfield Fair right
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  Speaker 2: around the corner. Here's the strange for you. I'm really
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  Speaker 2: looking forward to the fair this year.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just in a fair state of mind. And something
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  Speaker 2: about this year's Canfield Fair I'm really looking forward to.
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  Speaker 2: So that's going to be here before too long. As
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  Speaker 2: I've said to you numerous times, once that comes around,
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  Speaker 2: you know it is officially the end of summer. At
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  Speaker 2: least it's kind of the barometer in my neck of
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  Speaker 2: the woods here. Once the fair is done and over with,
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  Speaker 2: the days start to get way shorter. The temperatures cool
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  Speaker 2: at night. And you kind of view it as the
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  Speaker 2: official end here in my neck of the woods here.
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  Speaker 2: the official end of summer and the beginning of fall
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  Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff that we go through
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  Speaker 2: here with the changing of the seasons, all right, in
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  Speaker 2: Mahoning County.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm in the kingdom of Mahoning.
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  Speaker 3: 330-729-9977.
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  Speaker 4: We'll get you through to me this afternoon if you
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  Speaker 4: want to get on board.
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  Speaker 5: 330-729-9977.
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  Speaker 4: Pick up the phone and give me a call.
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  Speaker 3: 330-729-9977.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get you through to us on NewsRadio 570 WKBN.
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  Speaker 2: Many things to discuss with you here this afternoon. I'll
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  Speaker 2: tell you this much. Like I say, the controversy, some
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  Speaker 2: of the stuff that I get from people when they're
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  Speaker 2: talking about flock cameras because they're going to be adding
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  Speaker 2: flock cameras in Austintown.
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  Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, there was an article here
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  Speaker 4: in The Vindicator.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you still get it or not,
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  Speaker 2: but we do. About Austintown clears way for flock cameras
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  Speaker 2: that people are just making a big damn deal out of.
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  Speaker 2: And really, I think people anymore are just, it's reached
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  Speaker 2: a point of paranoia to me. I mean, it's just,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes it's just ridiculous. The township took another step toward
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  Speaker 2: installing flock traffic cameras. This is in Austintown. Well, the
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  Speaker 2: initial discussion to use the controversial technology was made June 1st.
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  Speaker 2: Trustees Monday approved application for right-of-way permits to allow camera
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  Speaker 2: poles to be installed. The police chief said the township
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  Speaker 2: has a three-year contract with FLOC at a cost of
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  Speaker 2: $ 18, 000 per year for installation, equipment, and access to the system.
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  Speaker 2: All right, so it costs you $ 18, 000 a year of
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  Speaker 2: your tax dollars, which is not very much for the
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  Speaker 2: benefit that comes from them. Ours are not installed yet.
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  Speaker 2: The chief said we're planning on getting a small number
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  Speaker 2: for the main thoroughfares in and out of the township
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  Speaker 2: and for egress at some of the bigger retail theft areas.
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  Speaker 2: Flat cameras capture images of passing vehicles and store them
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  Speaker 2: in a searchable database that member police departments can access.
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  Speaker 2: Austintown will operate six of the cameras. Law enforcement should
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  Speaker 2: use the data to locate vehicles missing. possibly linked to crimes,
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  Speaker 2: missing people, or other proper investigations. However, in early August,
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  Speaker 2: the Washington Post reported at least 50 officers nationwide have
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  Speaker 2: been accused of misusing flock to spy on people, including spouses, partners,
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  Speaker 2: and exes. And, you know, just as you can have
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  Speaker 2: bad people in any profession that do this kind of stuff,
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  Speaker 2: there's consequences to this. There are consequences if you abuse
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  Speaker 2: the lease computer in the patrol car, just as there's
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  Speaker 2: consequences to this kind of stuff. So you can't use
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  Speaker 2: one brush to paint all cops with, all right? Under
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  Speaker 2: heavy criticism for the abuse potential, Flax Safety said this
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  Speaker 2: week it will shorten the default period for storing information
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  Speaker 2: about vehicles from 30 days to seven days. The company did, however,
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  Speaker 2: state that the police department may opt to maintain a
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  Speaker 2: longer data retention period. I mean, this is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: your police department trying to prevent crime and to capture criminals.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and the article goes on in the Vindicator.
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  Speaker 2: It says, well, the chief said she is aware of
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  Speaker 2: online criticism of the decision to use Flock. Austintown will
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  Speaker 2: permit no such abuse. In my opinion, that's an officer
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  Speaker 2: of questionable character, which I would agree with her on that.
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  Speaker 2: That's not a police department. That's not a police department
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  Speaker 2: issue unless that's your employee. I'm confident that our people
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  Speaker 2: will not use it in that way. I won't tolerate it.
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  Speaker 2: She said all of the Austintown police will be trained
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  Speaker 2: and held to high standards. That's why we're taking our
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  Speaker 2: time putting this into effect. We're working on a policy
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  Speaker 2: that will control its use. Once that's in place, all
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  Speaker 2: officers will have to read and sign off and be
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  Speaker 2: responsible for adhering to the policy. And officers have to
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  Speaker 2: view FLOC's online training and comply with the requirements and
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  Speaker 2: testing and knowledge that is needed before they have access
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  Speaker 2: to the system. Now, the chief said she hopes the
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  Speaker 2: technology will give Austintown an advantage in solving cases, finding
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  Speaker 2: missing persons, helping local neighborhoods and businesses stay safer. Well,
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  Speaker 2: what's wrong with that? I mean, these people that are
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  Speaker 2: just paranoid. It is just it's craziness of what I'm
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  Speaker 2: hearing from these people are just paranoid about it or
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  Speaker 2: vandalizing these flock cameras.
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  Speaker 4: It is absolute insanity.
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  Speaker 2: To assist your police department, modern technology to assist your
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  Speaker 2: police department, to make them more efficient. You're trying to
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  Speaker 2: do more with less, quite frankly. Make them more efficient
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  Speaker 2: and apprehend people that are doing things that they shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: be doing. I hope that we can use them to
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  Speaker 2: solve crimes that happen, narrow down suspect pools, and prove
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  Speaker 2: suspects were in certain locations to have a more solid case.
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  Speaker 2: I see using them mostly reactively. At this point, we
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  Speaker 2: don't have the manpower and the non-directed work time to
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  Speaker 2: put into chasing down someone who just comes into the
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  Speaker 2: township with a known warrant.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 2: But hopefully, if you come in with a known warrant,
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  Speaker 2: hopefully they will get you in time. You got a
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  Speaker 2: warrant out. I mean, that means something. The chief said
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  Speaker 2: that the idea is to know what vehicle they are
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  Speaker 2: looking for. And check the system to see if they
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  Speaker 2: can identify that vehicle and track its progress. So somebody
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  Speaker 2: that's just committed a major crime or whatever, you'd be
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  Speaker 2: able to apprehend that person. I don't get these people
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  Speaker 2: are just bellyaching about this stuff. It is just it's
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  Speaker 2: really good technology. And were they bellyaching when it went
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  Speaker 2: in Boardman? Were they bellyaching when it went in Canfield?
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  Speaker 2: Were they bellyaching when it went in Youngstown? You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's been around for quite some time. Have you avoided
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  Speaker 2: those areas? Did you feel threatened when you went through there?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is kind of ridiculous. She said the
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  Speaker 2: township already makes use of their cameras operated by neighboring
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  Speaker 2: and overlapping jurisdictions like Boardman, Youngstown, and the Moaning County
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  Speaker 2: Sheriff's Office. We are already using cameras from a mutual
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  Speaker 2: aid perspective, and we're hoping we can now help them
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  Speaker 2: out as well. So it kind of ties the area
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  Speaker 2: together to be able to catch some of these vicious criminals.
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  Speaker 4: And who isn't for that?
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  Speaker 2: Departments can grant access to their system to other departments
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  Speaker 2: that have FLOC accounts. But the chief said it's entirely discretionary.
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  Speaker 2: For example, the cameras that will cover State Route 46
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  Speaker 2: and Interstate 80 would likely be of great help to
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  Speaker 2: the Ohio State Highway Patrol and Mahoney County Sheriff's Office.
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  Speaker 2: Austintown can grant or deny access to its cameras, to
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  Speaker 2: any departments. What's wrong with that? We have no liability
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  Speaker 2: for other departments' employees. Let's see, Township Administrator Mark D'Apolito
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  Speaker 2: noted that in 2025, Flock cameras helped to locate more
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  Speaker 2: than 10,000 Michelin persons, while the company's website notes that 42%
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  Speaker 2: of Flock customers recovered more than half of stolen vehicles
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  Speaker 2: reported in their jurisdiction. D'Apolito said Flock cameras also have
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  Speaker 2: helped to exonerate people accused of crimes by clearly placing
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  Speaker 2: them at a different location at the time in question.
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  Speaker 2: Although this is new to the Austintown Police Department, this technology,
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  Speaker 2: in other ways, has been in place at private retailers
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  Speaker 2: for quite some time. He said, I think the law
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  Speaker 2: is pretty clear on the topic. They're like flock cameras
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  Speaker 2: I heard at Lowe's and Home Depot and Meijer and
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  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, that they use them as well.
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  Speaker 2: So there you have it. We trust our law enforcement officers.
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  Speaker 2: hear quite a bit, so we trust them with a
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  Speaker 2: badge and a gun. We have an outstanding track record
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  Speaker 2: of officers in Austintown, and this just enhances our ability
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  Speaker 2: to solve crime and protect residents. So how can you
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  Speaker 2: be opposed to that? Well, some of these wackos are.
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  Speaker 2: DiApolito also said this type of technology produces the kind
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  Speaker 2: of evidence jurors have come to expect in court cases.
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  Speaker 2: The public has a lot of expectations to see some
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  Speaker 2: of the evidence.
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  Speaker 4: So there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, so that controversy continues on. And I'm telling you,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm serious when I say it, it's just paranoid nuts. Well,
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  Speaker 2: what if this happens? What if that happens? It's the
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  Speaker 2: what if people. And it's what if, what if, what if? Well,
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  Speaker 2: what if none of that happens? My what if is
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  Speaker 2: what if none of that happens? And you've got to
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  Speaker 2: deal with that what if, if and when it ever
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  Speaker 2: does happen. I mean, so the people that are opposed
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  Speaker 2: to it just seem paranoid with a bunch of what ifs.
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  Speaker 2: What if this happens? What if that happens? Government surveillance
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  Speaker 2: and all of this kind of nonsense. So comments about that?
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  Speaker 2: Welcome here this afternoon on NewsRadio 570 WKBN. How about,
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  Speaker 2: just a comment here, one other thing. How about these
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  Speaker 2: Democrat socialists that are out there, and the Democrats, who
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  Speaker 2: are championing when it comes to health care, Medicare for all. Now,
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  Speaker 2: you're qualified for Medicare if you work and you're 65
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  Speaker 2: and you pay into it all of your life. You
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  Speaker 2: pay taxes, you and your employer do, all of your
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  Speaker 2: life for Medicare. But you have to qualify for it
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  Speaker 2: at 65. So now you have people, some of these
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  Speaker 2: Democrat socialists do think, well, we should just give Medicare
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  Speaker 2: to everybody. It should just be made available to everybody. Now, granted,
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  Speaker 2: the current Medicare system has some financial problems in it,
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  Speaker 2: and it's just there for senior citizens. And it has
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  Speaker 2: some financial issues. Medicare is a great insurance plan, and
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  Speaker 2: it does have financial problems, serious financial problems. But these
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  Speaker 2: people that want to expand it to everybody, I just
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  Speaker 2: shake my head and say, once again, more government giveaways
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  Speaker 2: that they want to just give this to everybody. And
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  Speaker 2: in turn, we're a country $ 40 trillion in debt. It
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  Speaker 2: just doesn't make any sense.
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  Speaker 4: All right. Enough yakking, Ron. Take some calls.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: 330-729-9977.
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  Speaker 4: You're on air.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, Ron.
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  Speaker 4: Back to speeding cameras.
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  Speaker 3: I understand.
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  Speaker 2: Hang on one second before you go any further. I
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  Speaker 2: want to clarify something. You said something on Friday's show,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't want you to repeat it, that was
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  Speaker 2: blatantly false and untrue about somebody that you claimed had
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  Speaker 2: passed away and they did not.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: I do not want you to talk about it again.
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  Speaker 2: But that information that you put on the air was
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  Speaker 2: inaccurate and wrong. No, I don't want you to say
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  Speaker 2: any more. But it caused a lot of discomfort for
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  Speaker 2: a number of people. So do not ever do that again.
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  Speaker 7: No, it came across your airwaves. That's why I mentioned it.
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  Speaker 4: Do not ever do that again because that was inaccurate information.
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  Speaker 7: It wasn't mine.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's where I heard it from.
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  Speaker 7: It was on your airway.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't hear it on mine, but I heard it
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  Speaker 2: out of your mouth.
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  Speaker 7: All right.
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  Speaker 4: Now go ahead with your comments.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, the speed cameras. Yes. Don't always trust them.
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  Speaker 2: Speed cameras and flock cameras are two different things, just
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  Speaker 2: so we know.
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  Speaker 7: But you have to study it because they photographed my truck. supposedly,
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  Speaker 7: but it wasn't my truck. It was similar, but I
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  Speaker 7: could understand and see that it wasn't the same design
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  Speaker 7: of that model. And I had a temporary tag, like
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  Speaker 7: a 30-day, and it had like 10 digits. Well, the
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  Speaker 7: one digit was blurred, but the machine assumed that it
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  Speaker 7: was my tag. And they just threw me a ticket,
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  Speaker 7: and I fought it, and I called the office, and
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  Speaker 7: we got it all cleared up. But those technologies are
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  Speaker 7: not always correct.
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  Speaker 4: Errors can happen.
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  Speaker 2: But here's the rub on even these speed cameras. And
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  Speaker 2: flock cameras are not speed cameras. It's a whole separate thing.
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  Speaker 2: But when you're talking about these traffic cameras that issue
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  Speaker 2: these tickets, here's the reality.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, do they use them for money-making purposes? Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: However– I'll be the first to say they are effective
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  Speaker 2: in many ways of slowing people down. And when people
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  Speaker 2: do call and say, you know, as I tell them, well,
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  Speaker 2: you don't really have to pay it. And I go
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  Speaker 2: through all of that with folks. But the reality is
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  Speaker 2: I always say the same thing to them. You know
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  Speaker 2: it's there. Slow down. Obviously, obviously, you're speeding. And you
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  Speaker 2: need to slow down. That's why, not in your case,
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  Speaker 2: but that's why you got the tickets.
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  Speaker 4: No, I did.
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  Speaker 7: I fought it.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not talking about you.
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  Speaker 7: That wasn't my tag.
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  Speaker 4: I just said that. Oh, for the love of God.
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  Speaker 4: I just said that, all right? Pay attention.
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  Speaker 2: So the reality is they use them for money-making purposes,
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  Speaker 2: but here's the reality.
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  Speaker 4: They are effective.
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  Speaker 2: Where they are placed in slowing people down once they
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  Speaker 2: know that they're there. They do slow people down even
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  Speaker 2: though they're there for the wrong purposes.
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  Speaker 7: Exactly. Like Ronald Reagan said, trust but verify. He's brilliant.
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  Speaker 7: Ronald Reagan was brilliant. And I trusted but verified, and
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  Speaker 7: I was right. They were wrong. They didn't say I
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  Speaker 7: had to pay the ticket because I was right. I
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  Speaker 7: showed them.
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  Speaker 4: Great, great, great. We don't care now. We're done with that. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not here to try your case.
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  Speaker 7: So I guess I was talking about that, but now
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  Speaker 7: I lost my train of thought. What else do you
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  Speaker 7: want to talk about?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, hang on.
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  Speaker 7: Do you want to ask me about my day today?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 4: You're on the air.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Ron.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, the flock cameras, obviously there's some people out there
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  Speaker 8: that don't know a whole lot about them. Then you
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  Speaker 8: can't tell the difference between a speed camera and a
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  Speaker 8: flock camera, and that's fine. But you're right on the
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  Speaker 8: mark with these things. Number one, a big difference between
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  Speaker 8: the two is there's no money made on flock cameras
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  Speaker 8: like speed cameras.
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  Speaker 3: And it's undoubted.
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  Speaker 8: That they are a valuable law enforcement tool. We've seen
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  Speaker 8: it locally here, in solving serious crimes, locating missing persons,
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  Speaker 8: and across the country. if it's misused by officers or anyone,
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  Speaker 8: hold them accountable, punish them, fire them, prosecute them, do
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  Speaker 8: whatever you're.
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  Speaker 3: Going to do with them.
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  Speaker 4: Just like you would on the leads computer, which you
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  Speaker 4: would do.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 8: That's been around for years. So you don't ban the
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  Speaker 8: tool or throw the tool out.
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  Speaker 3: Because someone misuses it. That'd be like..
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  Speaker 8: Taking hammers and, you know, throwing them all out because
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  Speaker 8: someone takes one and busts the window open to break
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  Speaker 8: into the house. You take all the hammers off the carpenters.
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  Speaker 8: It's just address the problem when it arises. And then
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  Speaker 8: the only other issue that comes up.
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  Speaker 4: Stand by for one second. Let me do my break.
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  Speaker 2: I want to come back to you. Sounds like an
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  Speaker 2: intelligent caller on the end of my line. News Radio
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  Speaker 4: Right you are making some great points go ahead caller.
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  Speaker 8: Aside from it being misused, the other issue that you
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  Speaker 8: here brought up is privacy. It's an invasion of privacy,
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  Speaker 8: and the government's tracking your car from point A to
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  Speaker 8: point B, and they know exactly where you're at. For
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  Speaker 8: many of the... for many of these people that argue
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  Speaker 8: about that, and to some extent I can understand the privacy,
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  Speaker 8: we need to be careful how that data is used.
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  Speaker 8: But many of these same people that don't want their
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  Speaker 8: car photographed with the license plate as they enter these communities,
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  Speaker 8: they post their entire lives online. I mean, they'll go
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  Speaker 8: on social media and they'll post the most private and
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  Speaker 8: personal things related to their life for anyone to see,
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  Speaker 8: you know? So, I mean, whether it's pictures of children, videos,
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  Speaker 8: you know, birthdays, weddings, I mean, some of the most,
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  Speaker 8: I mean, you've, you've probably seen it. I mean, The
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  Speaker 8: amount of information that people put out there on social
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  Speaker 8: media for anyone to see and then take, and believe me,
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: there are people out there that will victimize others based
• 19:01
  Speaker 8: on information they can get, whether it's going on vacation,
• 19:05
  Speaker 8: they'll post pictures about going on vacation, and then you know,
• 19:08
  Speaker 8: before they go on vacation or while they're on vacation,
• 19:11
  Speaker 8: and then they're surprised their house is burglarized, or they'll
• 19:13
  Speaker 8: post pictures of their children and where they go to school,
• 19:18
  Speaker 8: take pictures of their food while they're sitting in a
• 19:20
  Speaker 8: restaurant somewhere.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I mean..
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: No one needs to.
• 19:23
  Speaker 8: Track these people. I think that was one of the
• 19:25
  Speaker 8: things Alcatrona, one of the things I read about his
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: criticism is that, you know, they can take this data
• 19:31
  Speaker 8: and they can create a timeline of where you were
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: and what you were doing and help people do that
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: now voluntarily. I mean, it posted out there for anyone
• 19:40
  Speaker 8: to see. So I don't think either of the arguments
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: is very good.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: It is a tool.
• 19:47
  Speaker 8: Let law enforcement use it effectively.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Like they've been doing.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine, though, just take an example of somebody
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: commits murder, let's just say in Pennsylvania, or some..
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: So who cares?
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: New Jersey, whatever. And there's... I'm going to use some
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: technical term, caller. There's a bolo out, all right? It's
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: technical police lingo. And anyway, you get them coming into
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: your community, and that flock camera can identify the fact
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: that that person fleeing from the area where he just
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: killed his family, perhaps, is in your community.
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: And why would you not want your local law enforcement.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: To know that?
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, I..
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: You know, I think people just, you know, I don't know.
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: I don't understand the resistance to it. A lot of
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: times people just, I don't know what it is.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: But you're absolutely right.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Let's say you rob a bank and you're taking off
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: and well, we don't know which direction you went, but
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: the flat camera can then pick up your car or
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: your license plates. And we have a better idea of
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: knowing what route you took to get away and to
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: catch you.
• 20:56
  Speaker 8: Well, absolutely, and it's been used over and over and
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: over again for law enforcement. I mean, you may have
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: as little as a serious crime occurs, and all you
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: have is the person that committed the crime fled in
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: a red pickup truck. Well, you can— if it's in an
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: area where there's flock cameras— and the other thing is people
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: are worried about these flock cameras that only law enforcement
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: can access for law enforcement reasons— when they're being photographed
• 21:24
  Speaker 8: and videoed just about anywhere they go in public. Gas
• 21:28
  Speaker 8: stations have video cameras. Ring doorbells are everywhere. And you
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: can barely go anywhere. And that information, again, is not
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: just accessible to law enforcement for law enforcement purposes. It's
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: it's out there for everybody. And the stuff that people
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: put on social media, the government doesn't need to track them.
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: They're posting live when they're sitting in a restaurant somewhere eating,
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: taking pictures of their food or their kids or, you know,
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: it's just crazy. So the privacy, you know, I can
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: understand it on a basic level.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: But again, as long as.
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: The guardrails and the policies and the procedures are in
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: place at the local police department's I believe they're in place.
• 22:11
  Speaker 8: And if there's a problem, address.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: It.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: There's no doubt it makes your community a safer place.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: It's technology to make an officer more efficient in this
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: day and age of where we have less officers because
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: of the finances involved. So, I mean, I just think
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: it's paranoia that a lot of these people get as
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: a result of it. Have you guys ever noticed, like,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: when they get somebody shoplifting, these pictures that these stores have,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: are perfect, and you'll see it posted on Facebook, and
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: it's like, that's how you catch shoplifters. You can identify
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: the person right there, and the cops get them as
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: they should. All right, thank you for your insight. I
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: appreciate your time. NewsRadio 570, WKVN, and Ron Verbin. More
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  Speaker 4: Gorgeous looking Monday afternoon. 73 degrees. And you're on air. Hello, Ron. Yes, sir.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Hey, I am not one bit concerned about police misusing
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: the flock cameras. Not at all. They're all 100%, not 100%,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: but all, I'm sure, trustworthy individuals. Why would they abuse it?
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: What I am concerned about is the government eventually abusing it.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Does that make any sense to you?
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think being concerned about abuse of anything is
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: not a bad thing.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: It's not a bad thing. You want to.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Complain about the what if, what if? Well, the what
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: ifs happen. Pandemic happen. Terrorist attacks happen. What about then?
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Why wouldn't they, instead of six cameras in 10 years
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: from now, there's 600 cameras and one on every street
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: corner and it Squeals on you for being outside of
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: your house during a lockdown and you have an 8
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: o'clock curfew. And government overreach. Government overreach.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Here's my answer to you on that. This is a
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: local level.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: This is your local elected officials, your local trustees, that
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: you have the power to vote in and vote out
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: of office if you sense that need. what you would
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: consider to be abuse or police state. But in the meantime,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: when that's not the case, then it does make your
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: officers more efficient and your community a safer place. So
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: we can what if a million things. What if I
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: do a bypass operation on you and you die? Because, well,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: it's a very real possibility. But more people will live
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: and survive and be better off than die. Sometimes you
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: weigh the risk of things in life.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Also, I wasn't near as concerned about flock cameras at all.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: It never even crossed my mind until all the data
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: centers are going in.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Well, then AI..
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. The search for information from some of
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: the tech moguls or whatever, when... the government decides they're
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: going to sell the information from the flock cameras or
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: it's just going to go straight into the data centers.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: You say that, well, the police don't have time to
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: watch every move you're making. They don't care what you're doing.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: But if all that data is just getting stored in
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: these data centers, that's tracking me from one end of
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: the town to the other day after day after day
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: knowing what I'm doing is none of their business.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, I don't know that it's going to be
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: tracked into Google for you. Let's be realistic. I mean,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's a worry that you have to have. But,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: you know, if you use your phone, everything you do
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: is already... If you Google something, you'll get an ad
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: for it on your phone.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. I understand that. It's disturbing as well.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: Have you stopped using a phone?
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: I volunteer to use Google because it's convenient, and that's
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: my fault. That's everybody's fault for doing it.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: But if this is involuntary, we don't know what's going
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: to happen. And I'm looking out for... My kids, my grandkids,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: your kids, your grandkids, what is this country going to
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: be when it is a police state? If China takes over, whatever.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Well, let's hope China doesn't take over. Let's start.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: But once these cameras are in place, there's no taking
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: them back. That's why I call it a slippery slope.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't know that they're still there. They're there.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: I don't know that they're still taking it back.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Get used to them. This accepts the fact that you're
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: under surveillance all the time. Maybe they'll be like China
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: and they'll give you a little bonus points and social
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: credits for being a good Samaritan and not going out
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: after 10 o'clock at night like is suggested by the
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: government or something like that. You may be a model citizen.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: And get more privileges.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: Hypothetical, so. All right. Thank you. Appreciate it. Once again,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: it's hypotheticals. This is what I fear.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Well, this is, it's just interesting that it's all hypothetical stuff.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: So somehow it's okay for everyone else.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: To have these cameras, but for your police department, I mean,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: you know, your police department could be sitting on the
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: highway monitoring the speed of everybody coming down the road
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: with a radar unit. Looking for somebody that's going too
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: fast because it's not safe and writes him a ticket.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Isn't that, I mean, is there something wrong with that?
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, the old cliche, people hate the cops till
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: they need them, is absolutely true. And you've probably seen
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: it over the years or watched it happen over the years.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: People that start trouble and start fights, and they start
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: it with the wrong person. You know, the person who
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: thinks they're tough and starts a fight with somebody, and
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: that person that starts the fight ends up getting the
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: crap beat up. of them by the person they started
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: it with. What's the first thing the person does that
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: started the fight? Call the cops. They want the cops
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: to get there when they started it. I mean, you know,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: it's overwhelming, the situation that's... That we're up against here.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of scoundrels in society.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Somebody steals your car, wouldn't you be grateful that it
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: can be found? Somebody robs your house, wouldn't you be
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: grateful if we can find them? There's a lot of reasons.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: As one gentleman said, it's just a tool.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: As there are many tools available.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Out there, why do you think all these stores that
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: you come in have cameras? You're not a shoplifter. They
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: don't need to have them all. But they're there for
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: the people that do shoplift to try to be able
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: to stay in business. Why do you think they have
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: all the cameras in the parking lots? Including flock cameras
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: at some of these places. Why do you think they
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: have those? Where people have them on their house. But
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: everyone's always, oh, what if the government abuses it? Well,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: what if they don't? What if they don't?
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: You're on air.
• 31:09
  Speaker 10: Good afternoon, buddy. How you doing?
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: I am well. How about yourself?
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 31:14
  Speaker 10: I'm just going to make a couple comments.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 31:17
  Speaker 10: For one thing about the cameras, Ron, if you didn't
• 31:21
  Speaker 10: do nothing, what are you worried about?
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: I'm not in the least bit worried about it. You
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: got them in Youngstown now.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 31:28
  Speaker 10: Well, we got them in Youngstown. Plus, we're getting free
• 31:31
  Speaker 10: door cameras if you want them in Youngstown.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: Even better.
• 31:35
  Speaker 10: They just assault them on almost everybody on the street.
• 31:38
  Speaker 10: I didn't get one, but..
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: What, a ring camera or a different kind?
• 31:42
  Speaker 10: A ring camera that you, you know, set your phone
• 31:44
  Speaker 10: up with, stuff like that. Yeah.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: So who handed those out?
• 31:49
  Speaker 10: Youngstown. The people are giving away to free houses.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Developments.
• 31:56
  Speaker 10: By the way, that's about ready to go over here.
• 31:58
  Speaker 10: I learned how to build a house, Ron.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Amazing.
• 32:01
  Speaker 10: I sat there and watched them put that house up,
• 32:03
  Speaker 10: and it's amazing what people can do.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: On what street?
• 32:08
  Speaker 10: My street.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: What street, though?
• 32:10
  Speaker 10: Chattanooga.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Okay, and they built how many new homes?
• 32:13
  Speaker 10: There's about three going up around here.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: They're beautiful.
• 32:17
  Speaker 10: They're well-made. These guys are organized.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: My God, how they put that up.
• 32:21
  Speaker 10: They've still got a little bit of work to do,
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: but it's a beautiful house. Now, on the one that's
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: on my street, kind of don't fit the rest of
• 32:27
  Speaker 10: the houses.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: Because they're new and nice.
• 32:30
  Speaker 10: Oh, they're very, very nice.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: And I was amazed.
• 32:33
  Speaker 10: I never watched a house being built from ground, you know,
• 32:36
  Speaker 10: breaking the ground and putting the concrete in. And they
• 32:40
  Speaker 10: were so organized, didn't mess up the streets, nothing.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Now, did they tear houses down and put those there,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: or were they vacant lots?
• 32:49
  Speaker 10: Well, this one across the street to me actually burnt down.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: And they..
• 32:53
  Speaker 10: You know, tore it down. But, yeah, they're tearing the
• 32:57
  Speaker 10: houses down, and they're putting new houses up. But whoever
• 33:02
  Speaker 10: gets this house is going to get a heck of
• 33:03
  Speaker 10: a nice house. I mean, it's going to be furnished.
• 33:05
  Speaker 10: I mean, not furnished, but all the appliances in there
• 33:07
  Speaker 10: and all that other stuff.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but here's the part that disturbs me about it.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Let's say that house costs $ 300, 000 to build just as
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: a ballpark.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: And they sell it to the person for $ 180, 000.
• 33:22
  Speaker 10: That's about right.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: All right. So when did it become the job of
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: the taxpayer to supplement $ 120, 000 of the cost of building
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: a new home for somebody to buy?
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, I just scratch my head and say, well,
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: wait a minute.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: When I built Verb Manor, established 1996, guess who paid
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: for it?
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: You.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: All of us.
• 33:44
  Speaker 10: And your wife.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, all of us.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: They didn't come to me and say, well, you pay
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: this much and somebody else will pay this much.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: No, you paid for the whole thing.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: I don't understand why when it become the taxpayers, because
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: all this money is taxpayers money. I don't care if
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: what you want to say, if it's a grant, if
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: it's whatever it is, it's still money taken from the
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: working person. Well, why are we taking money from a
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: working person to say you buy a brand-new home that
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: was just built in Youngstown, but you won't pay the
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: price of what it costs to build, but we're going
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: to require you to live there for five years?
• 34:19
  Speaker 10: Well, they get a 15-year tax abatement, too. They don't
• 34:23
  Speaker 10: pay taxes to the city of Youngstown for 15 years.
• 34:27
  Speaker 10: But there are attachments to this. I mean, you can't–
• 34:33
  Speaker 10: the way I understand it, if you try to sell it,
• 34:35
  Speaker 10: you've got to sell it for what you paid for it.
• 34:38
  Speaker 10: You can't make a profit on it. You've got to
• 34:39
  Speaker 10: give somebody that's in that program a shot to buy it.
• 34:43
  Speaker 10: And it goes through a loan company. You've got to
• 34:44
  Speaker 10: go to a class to learn how to, you know,
• 34:47
  Speaker 10: take care of a household. And it goes through, oh, God,
• 34:52
  Speaker 10: that's through the credit union. I can't think of it
• 34:54
  Speaker 10: right now. But they've got a bundle of the art
• 34:57
  Speaker 10: money to finance this, and they're doing the financing on it.
• 35:03
  Speaker 10: That's how they're getting them.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: I hope 10 years from now they're not, how do
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: you put it, dilapidated disasters that.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: They're taking care of.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: But my basic complaint with it, and I have no problem,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: my only complaint is when did it become taxpayers? When
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: did this become part of the taxpayers to subsidize building
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: new homes for somebody?
• 35:28
  Speaker 10: Now, Youngstown, Ron, just got a million-dollar grant to tear
• 35:31
  Speaker 10: down houses, put houses, just to look where they can
• 35:36
  Speaker 10: put houses at. They got a million bucks for that
• 35:38
  Speaker 10: all over the city. I guess that guy wants to
• 35:41
  Speaker 10: build 400 of them, from what I understand.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: Well, that's the group that fixes up houses.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: And all that. Right.
• 35:56
  Speaker 10: That's the whole program. Why anybody would want to do that?
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: Well, you did.
• 36:00
  Speaker 10: Well, Ron, that was 20 years ago.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: And look at the great service you've gotten.
• 36:07
  Speaker 10: Yeah, oh, great, yeah. I'm still waiting to get the driveway,
• 36:11
  Speaker 10: I mean, road plowed.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:15
  Speaker 10: I'm still waiting for that.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:18
  Speaker 10: They might come up sometime next year maybe. They were
• 36:21
  Speaker 10: here once. You know, they plowed it.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's interesting. I mean, like when I never
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: heard of the free ring doorbells being handed out in Youngstown.
• 36:33
  Speaker 10: Oh, yeah, all the neighbors got in on that action.
• 36:36
  Speaker 10: Some of them by their own, though. I mean, I
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  Speaker 10: don't know what kind they are. I don't really know.
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  Speaker 10: The breaker bar from when I was working on cars
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  Speaker 10: is my cooler. So that's what I use if I
• 36:49
  Speaker 10: need something.
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  Speaker 4: All right, Tiger, good hearing your voice. Nice hearing it.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: You too, man.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: All right, you're on the air.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon.
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  Speaker 8: You know, it's interesting.
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  Speaker 11: You started off the show with two really good topics,
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  Speaker 11: with the flock cameras and with the $ 40 trillion in debt.
• 37:06
  Speaker 11: If we take the flock cameras, the debate seems like
• 37:10
  Speaker 11: it is, why worry about further degradation of privacy, seeing
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  Speaker 11: how it's already been degraded with our phones, with you
• 37:18
  Speaker 11: walk into Walmart, other towns already have them. So what's
• 37:22
  Speaker 11: the big deal if we continue to degrade privacy? But
• 37:24
  Speaker 11: if we counterimpose that on the financial side, on $ 40 trillion,
• 37:29
  Speaker 11: we could say the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: What if?
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  Speaker 11: Let's not worry about the what ifs. Let's just let
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: the country spend another $ 40 trillion to take us to
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  Speaker 11: $ 80 trillion. And let's just keep this government growing and
• 37:41
  Speaker 11: getting bigger and.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Bigger and bigger.
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  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, as the court said, you're out
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  Speaker 2: in public. This idea of privacy is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 4: You're in public.
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  Speaker 2: No different than if I have a ring doorbell camera
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  Speaker 2: that catches you driving around on the street. You are
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  Speaker 2: in public. You're in public when you're driving down the road.
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  Speaker 2: This idea that you've got this cocoon of privacy is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 11: Except it's in the Constitution.
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  Speaker 2: No, that isn't in the Constitution in that sense. It's
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  Speaker 2: your belief that these cameras violate that. However, these cameras
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: are not necessarily new to Austintown, but they've been around.
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  Speaker 2: What court cases have they lost since you have, I forget,
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  Speaker 2: what law school did you attend?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't go to a communication major.
• 38:35
  Speaker 11: I just got a professional engineering license. I didn't talk
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  Speaker 11: in front of a microphone with a clown nose on
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  Speaker 11: for 40 years.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's all right.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: You can be educated.
• 38:43
  Speaker 11: You want to compare educations, bud? You go first.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Let's compare resumes.
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  Speaker 11: I've listened to you be a clown boy on radio
• 38:50
  Speaker 11: for 40-some years.
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  Speaker 10: So go ahead.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you listen for 40-something years, and all you
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: can stoop to is try to insult me because you
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: don't know the answer to it, do you?
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  Speaker 4: You've hung up.
• 39:03
  Speaker 11: On me multiple times and called me an idiot.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: And you know what? So let's talk about that.
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  Speaker 2: Just based on how you're behaving now, I think I'm
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: going to hang up on you again and call you
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: an idiot.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: You're on the air.
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  Speaker 8: Hey, Robyn.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, I got something about the flock cameras. This is
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: my opinion, I guess, on how I'm going to govern
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: myself and how I believe about this. It's just, you know,
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  Speaker 6: Christian principles... I don't believe man is inherently good.
• 39:28
  Speaker 11: I believe man is inherently bad.
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  Speaker 6: I think anything that is designed for good is going
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: to ultimately get used for bad. The big thing that
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: bothers me is who has control of these is the
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  Speaker 6: government versus you're talking about the public is out there
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  Speaker 6: and you're in the public and this is all, you're
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: on this camera, you're on that one, but the government
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: doesn't have control of that. Now, can they get it? Yeah,
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: they can subpoena or something like that, I guess. And
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  Speaker 6: so my question is, do we give up these rights?
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  Speaker 6: I'm working from a principled basis. I don't want to
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  Speaker 6: work on a circumstance basis. Do we give up these rights?
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  Speaker 6: to govern the cricket. And I don't want to do
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: that because I feel like it's going to ultimately be
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: used against us. It kind of seems like the Democrat
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: argument for the gun argument. You know, we've got to
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: take away these guns from the criminals. In the meantime,
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: you're taking away the rights of the 90% of citizens
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  Speaker 6: that use them correctly. So I kind of go back
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: to these principles and say, you know what, I'm going
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: to govern this way. I'm not going to look at
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: the circumstances that, oh, you know, we're already being stoned,
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: we're already being this. But that's kind of.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Where I stand.
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  Speaker 2: Even though it's a modern tool that everyone else can use,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: but your police department shouldn't be able to use it
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: to make your community safer or apprehend fleeing criminals.
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  Speaker 6: Well, to me it's about who's in control of it.
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: The public is in control. The general public has control
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: of you being surveilled with all the cameras. I mean,
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: for crying out loud, you get in an auto accident,
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: you're in trouble. They've got a camera.
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  Speaker 2: Stand by. Back in a minute, NewsRadio 570 WKBN. And
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Ron Ferb, back with more right after this.
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  Speaker 4: iHeartRadio. You're with me, WKBN.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: All right, News Radio 570 WKBN, 356 in the afternoon.
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  Speaker 4: 72 degrees. It's a lovely day. Okay, go ahead, sir.
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  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 6: Now, we were talking about MS. But, yeah, I was
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: saying that I firmly believe in the principle behind it,
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: not the circumstance of it. You had mentioned before that.
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: They're all over the place already. Right.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, I never heard this debate in Youngstown. I
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: didn't hear it in Canfield. I didn't hear it in Boardman.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: It's just now become like a nationwide debate in some places.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: And it's almost like, to me, it's a pro-criminal debate.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: We need to get rid of these flock cameras because
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: they are very effective for police departments to cut down
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: on crime.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm the first guy to say.
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  Speaker 6: I've never heard of them either until I watched NCIS.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: Well, see, there you go. But that doesn't.
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: Allow for them, though, to me. I'm against them. I
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: think it's the guy I mentioned, Slippery Slope, before, and I.
• 42:26
  Speaker 10: Agree with him.
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: It's going to get government overreach is what I think.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: So you're just nervous that the government's always watching you.
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  Speaker 10: Of course.
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: Now, here's the deal. You think of Moses. Was it
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: Moses or Noah? I think it was Noah. got drunk
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: and fell asleep naked, and his kids came on and
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: saw him. Like, could you imagine being surveilled to the
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: point to it's so bad? I think it's going to
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: get this bad. We're so surveilled that you're going to
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: have one too many beers, and you're going to pass
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: out naked for whatever reason on your living room. floor,
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: and somebody's going to see that and throw it all
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: over the internet. Now you lose your job.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Now you do this.
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: Now you do that.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Well, more than losing my job, I think I'd lose
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: my dignity if they actually posted that.
• 43:11
  Speaker 8: Sure, sure, sure.
• 43:12
  Speaker 7: Absolutely.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: And I feel if that was posted, a guy like
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: you would start making fun of me, too.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: I just sense it.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: I would.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: You're right.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: I knew it. I knew you would.
• 43:23
  Speaker 8: I'm like that.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: I am. I am.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: It's almost like a snapshot right back to those gym
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: showers when I was in high school.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God. All right.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Thank you for your call. I appreciate it. News Radio
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