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More Like GONE DeSantis (w/Gavin Newsom!) · Pod Save America

• 0:20
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 1: Tommy's out today. He flew to Tallahassee to be with
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  Speaker 1: Ron and Casey DeSantis during their time of mourning.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta be there.
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  Speaker 3: You gotta be there.
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: You gotta be there. On today's show, Nikki Haley questions
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump's mental fitness after he has a few senior
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: moments on the campaign trail. But he's still about 15
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  Speaker 1: points ahead of her in New Hampshire and winning all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of endorsements from Republican politicians. And later, you'll hear
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  Speaker 1: Tommy's interview with our governor, Gavin Newsom, who stopped by
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  Speaker 1: the studio last week. But first, on Sunday, Ron DeSantis
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  Speaker 1: ended his campaign where it began, on Twitter, with a
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  Speaker 1: forgettable announcement to his tens of fans... that after spending
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  Speaker 1: $ 150 million to get about 20,000 votes in Iowa, Lil'
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  Speaker 1: Ronnie Puddinvingers would be calling it quits and offering his
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  Speaker 1: relatively useless endorsement to Donald Trump, the man who accused
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  Speaker 1: him of being a pedophile. Say what you will about
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  Speaker 1: Ron's political instincts. He did predict this outcome at an
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  Speaker 1: event just six days before he dropped out. Let's listen.
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  Speaker 2: You can be the most worthless Republican in America, but
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  Speaker 2: if you kiss the ring, he'll say you're wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: And sure enough, here's Donald Trump on Sunday reacting to
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  Speaker 1: the news.
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  Speaker 4: Before we begin, I'd like to take time to congratulate
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  Speaker 4: Ron DeSantis and, of course, a.
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  Speaker 2: Really terrific person.
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  Speaker 4: But as you know, he left the campaign trail today
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  Speaker 4: at 3 p.m. And in so doing, he was very
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  Speaker 4: gracious and.
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  Speaker 5: He endorsed me. So I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 4: He just said, will I be using the name Ron DeSantamonious?
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  Speaker 4: I said, that name is officially retired.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I really I think that would have been awesome
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  Speaker 2: if he did it in like a high school gym
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  Speaker 2: and they just put up the kind of like when
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  Speaker 2: they retire a player's number. And they just like brought
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  Speaker 2: up the sanctimonious and they, they should, he should have
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  Speaker 2: that at Mar-a-Lago. Like there should be like.
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  Speaker 1: Or like Hunger Games style.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Just do the, like the.
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  Speaker 2: The boom. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Just a picture of Ron DeSantis over.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Over the magic castle.
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  Speaker 3: Unbelievable. All right.
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  Speaker 1: So we have been awash in DeSantis pre and postmortems
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  Speaker 1: over the last week. Dan and I did a little
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  Speaker 1: grave dancing on Thursday's pod because we figured this was coming.
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  Speaker 1: But I'll let you join in the fun, love it.
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  Speaker 1: What were your favorite tidbits from the weekend's deep dives
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  Speaker 1: about the final days of the DeSantis campaign?
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  Speaker 2: I have three and I'm building to the finish.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Each one, I chose three that I thought signified like
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  Speaker 2: the core problem, right?
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: You really put some thought into this.
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  Speaker 2: One is the fact that the campaign had no message.
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  Speaker 2: The NBC story of, there's so many obituaries. It's like
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  Speaker 2: they had them ready to go.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: In the NBC story- Because there were rumors last week
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  Speaker 1: that this was happening, which I first, I reported here
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  Speaker 1: on Podcast America.
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  Speaker 2: No, I heard you reported the rumors.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it looks like I was right. Looks like I
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  Speaker 1: was right. A blind mole, you know?
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  Speaker 2: So the campaign does a message call with some of
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  Speaker 2: their biggest online influencers.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, this is good.
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  Speaker 2: And they get hammered. They get hammered. Like, what is
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  Speaker 2: your message? Like that announced that rollout on Twitter spaces
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  Speaker 2: was a disaster. They're all fumphering. They don't seem to
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  Speaker 2: have a message. And then Bill Mitchell, our old friend,
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  Speaker 2: pipes up.
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  Speaker 1: You all remember Bill Mitchell, I hope.
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  Speaker 3: He was, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Bill Mitchell, big Trump guy.
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  Speaker 2: Big Trump guy. Actually, you know, a bit of a
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  Speaker 2: Cassandra in a way.
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  Speaker 3: In reality.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, in 2016, he was like, Trump's going to win,
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  Speaker 1: Trump's going to win. We're like, oh, these Bill Mitchell
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  Speaker 1: tweets are so funny.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was so funny.
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  Speaker 1: Then he went from Trump to DeSantis.
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  Speaker 3: Went to DeSantis.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, he interrupts the call to ask if they'll call
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  Speaker 2: Elon Musk on his behalf because he's shadow banned, which
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  Speaker 2: I just like the mess of that.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Next, at a campaign event in Iowa, the first event
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  Speaker 2: after the new year, right? People are paying attention. He
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  Speaker 2: opened his speech. With a lengthy criticism of the accreditation
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  Speaker 2: process for universities. And nobody really seemed to understand it.
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  Speaker 2: And afterwards, a middle-aged lady from Johnson, Iowa comes up
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  Speaker 2: to him and goes, I don't know what you were
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  Speaker 2: talking about. I think you said the word predators. He's like,
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  Speaker 2: I hope he said predators. And he's like, a creditor.
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  Speaker 2: He was talking about the college accreditation process. Just too online.
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  Speaker 1: She was hoping for a QAnon dog whistle.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: He gave her some nerdy fucking anti-woke shit that she
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  Speaker 1: couldn't know about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because everyone in Iowa is concerned about the tenure
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  Speaker 2: process for faculty of University of Florida.
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  Speaker 1: Says a lot.
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  Speaker 2: But to me, truly an all-timer from NBC, which is
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  Speaker 2: that Scott Wagner, this is now... DeSantis made the innovative
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  Speaker 2: decision to try to put most of his campaign apparatus
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  Speaker 2: into a super PAC. Scott Wagner is the head of
• 5:02
  Speaker 2: the Never Back Down super PAC. NBC reports that at
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  Speaker 2: the Never Back Down headquarters in West Des Moines, Iowa,
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  Speaker 2: Wagner spent a significant amount of time in the precious
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  Speaker 2: final few days constructing a plan, an ad campaign, a 1,000-piece
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  Speaker 2: jigsaw puzzle of a landscape. Everyone at the campaign was
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  Speaker 2: taking pictures of this. He was working on the puzzle
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  Speaker 2: for hours. And my favorite part of this is that
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  Speaker 2: in a comment to NBC News, Wagner noted that the
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  Speaker 2: office puzzle was there when we arrived and became a
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  Speaker 2: sense of pride for the entire team. And everyone chipped
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  Speaker 2: in a few minutes apiece to get it done. Could
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  Speaker 2: you imagine?
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  Speaker 1: Can I ask you something?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 5: Fuck you.
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  Speaker 3: Fuck you.
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  Speaker 5: Say it.
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  Speaker 3: Say it.
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  Speaker 1: Three names. What were you doing? What were you doing
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  Speaker 1: in the final days? Of the Hillary Clinton primary campaign
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  Speaker 1: in 08.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't a puzzle.
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  Speaker 2: I knew that's what you were going to say. I
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  Speaker 2: knew you were going to say that.
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  Speaker 1: Here's why I had to take that side. I came
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  Speaker 1: into this thinking I was going to bring up the
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  Speaker 1: puzzle thing.
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  Speaker 3: And I thought.
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  Speaker 1: You were going to say, you know what? It's okay
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  Speaker 1: to do a puzzle to relax once in a while
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  Speaker 1: in a campaign. You're pretty busy. I thought you of
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  Speaker 1: all people would defend the puzzle. So now I had
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  Speaker 1: to take the other side.
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  Speaker 2: No, look, I'm a huge believer in self-care, especially in
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  Speaker 2: the final days of a campaign. But as a campaign manager,
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  Speaker 2: you can't be doing a puzzle in the middle of.
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  Speaker 1: The fucking bullpen. Even if you're a super PAC manager.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Or she wasn't even a campaign manager. And you're in Iowa.
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  Speaker 1: You're not like in Tallahassee where nothing's happening.
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  Speaker 2: Go knock on some doors.
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  Speaker 1: You're in Iowa.
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  Speaker 2: Go knock on some doors.
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  Speaker 1: Also, I thought the most telling part of that anecdote
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  Speaker 1: was that they had it confirmed by two, not one,
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  Speaker 1: but two anonymous staffers.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Which means that people were, the larger point of that story,
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  Speaker 1: the puzzle story, is everyone in the DeSantis campaign and
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  Speaker 1: that super PAC just wanted to shit all over each
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  Speaker 1: other and the candidate.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's been like, there were so many breakdowns
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  Speaker 2: of what went wrong in the campaign with so many
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  Speaker 2: people talking. You and Dan talked about the messenger story,
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  Speaker 2: which would have been on the list of the only
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  Speaker 2: reason we're not talking about the messenger story today is
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  Speaker 2: because this campaign was filled with so much infighting and
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  Speaker 2: disloyalty that you could have written the obituary while the
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  Speaker 2: campaign was still running. Like these people fucking hated each
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  Speaker 2: other and had no respect for DeSantis by the end.
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  Speaker 1: This wasn't as much of a colorful, fun detail, but
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  Speaker 1: they had one former campaign staffer in the NBC story
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  Speaker 1: that just said, what harmed the campaign the most off
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  Speaker 1: the bat was that it didn't have a clear purpose
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  Speaker 1: and message. I was like, honestly, yeah, you nailed it.
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  Speaker 1: You really didn't need the rest of the story. That
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  Speaker 1: was it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the other thing is, but at least they had
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  Speaker 2: a compelling figure. I mean, that's the thing. It's like
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  Speaker 2: bad campaign, bad candidate.
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  Speaker 1: No message.
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  Speaker 2: What are we doing here?
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  Speaker 1: And for people wondering why it ended when it did,
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  Speaker 1: it looks like they ran out of money. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if that was all the reporting, they ran out of money.
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  Speaker 1: He sort of wanted to stay in it until South Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: He's been talking about this with advisors since he came
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  Speaker 1: in second in Iowa with just 20,000 votes. They ran
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  Speaker 1: out of money.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was one, look, if you cared even a
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  Speaker 2: little bit, you could almost even find yourself thinking, like,
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  Speaker 2: is there some place to feel compassion for Rhonda Sandis
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  Speaker 2: in this, which is that He made one final trip.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember if it was New Hampshire or South Carolina,
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  Speaker 2: but he wanted to talk to voters one last time
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  Speaker 2: before he decided to pull out.
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  Speaker 1: Which, yeah, you know Ron DeSantis. He just needs to
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  Speaker 1: get in front of the people. He loves people so much.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's because he wanted to spend time
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  Speaker 2: with people. I'm saying it's because he wanted to go
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  Speaker 2: one more time to really accept that.
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  Speaker 1: He had no chance. To know that it was over.
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  Speaker 1: To know that it was over, that it was time
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  Speaker 1: to always back down. In his video... No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: Never back down except one time.
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  Speaker 1: Except one time. He backed down plenty. So in his video,
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  Speaker 1: DeSantis said that Trump, quote, has my endorsement because we
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  Speaker 1: can't go back to the old Republican guard of yesteryear,
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  Speaker 1: a repackaged form of warmed over corporatism that Nikki Haley represents.
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  Speaker 1: I think we all figured that Ron DeSantis would endorse
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  Speaker 1: Trump eventually. Why do it before New Hampshire and Shiv
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  Speaker 1: Haley on the way out for the guy who has
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  Speaker 1: just been saying, The worst things about you, your campaign,
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  Speaker 1: everything you stand for. Again, he did accuse him at
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  Speaker 1: the beginning of the campaign of grooming high school students.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on there?
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know. I have three pitches. One, if
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  Speaker 2: the story is no one could beat Trump and a
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  Speaker 2: stronger campaign candidate or message doesn't matter, then the harder
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  Speaker 2: and faster Haley loses, the better.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: It makes that story more true.
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  Speaker 1: If it can't be me, it shouldn't be anyone.
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  Speaker 2: Except the guy that insulted me for a year. I
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  Speaker 2: had fun doing it. Second, he's looking to repair his
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  Speaker 2: relation with Trump and to make sure that Trump doesn't
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  Speaker 2: make the split worse between DeSantis and the base that
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  Speaker 2: he needs. And then the final, which I actually think
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  Speaker 2: probably explains most of it, would be he's going to
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  Speaker 2: do it eventually. He'd rather do it fast and not
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  Speaker 2: make it a whole new cycle and not face pressure
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  Speaker 2: and not face antagonism or seeming like he was reluctant
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  Speaker 2: and being dragged to it. I don't know. Those are
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  Speaker 2: my guests. Do you have any other guesses? Am I
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  Speaker 2: missing anything?
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean, first of all, Nikki, calling Nikki Haley
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  Speaker 1: a repackaged form of warmed over corporatism from Republicans of yesteryear.
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  Speaker 2: Correct.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure.
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  Speaker 1: I think that was an accurate description of Nikki Haley
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  Speaker 1: and all those Republicans from before 2016.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also a fair description of fucking Ron DeSantis.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, he's combined the warmed-over corporatism with some culture war.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually just like, forget this warmed-over corporatism. What
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  Speaker 2: about corporatism just fucking ice cold?
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  Speaker 1: It is possible that Ron DeSantis likes or genuinely supports
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump and his politics and and policies more than
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  Speaker 1: he supports Nikki Haley and her politics and policies. Like,
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  Speaker 1: that is possible. Also, did you hear what happened to
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  Speaker 1: Bob Good, Freedom Caucus Chair Bob Good? Have you been
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  Speaker 1: following this.
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  Speaker 3: The last couple weeks?
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  Speaker 2: Tell me, what's going on with Bob Good?
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  Speaker 1: Bob Good, Freedom Caucus Chair, right? Chair of the crazies
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  Speaker 1: in Congress, endorsed Ron DeSantis, one of his very few
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  Speaker 1: endorsements in Congress. In response to that endorsement over the
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  Speaker 1: last couple weeks, the Trump campaign failed. has threatened to
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  Speaker 1: support a primary challenge. Chris LaCivita, the senior advisor on
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  Speaker 1: the Trump campaign, basically said, when we get done with
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  Speaker 1: Bob Good, he's going to be unelectable anywhere. Marjorie Taylor
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  Speaker 1: Greene called him a MAGA traitor. So I do think
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  Speaker 1: there's a little bit of, you made this point too,
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  Speaker 1: that Ron DeSantis is thinking like, I'm term limited as governor.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be a pariah in the party. And
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  Speaker 1: if I wait, And I just say I'm out and
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  Speaker 1: I'm not ready to endorse right now. Like Trump's going
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  Speaker 1: to they're going to go after him.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And he's going to do it eventually.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Before the convention of Trump is the nominee. So if
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  Speaker 2: he if he waits, he doesn't get anything for it.
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  Speaker 2: He does it now. It's sort of it's seen as
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  Speaker 2: early and it's seen as having it's worth something right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Just like stepping back from it, though, that video is
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  Speaker 2: just such a testament to what a fucking zero Ron
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  Speaker 2: DeSantis is. Like you just spent a year of your
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  Speaker 2: life dedicated to this project of becoming president. So did
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  Speaker 2: your wife. So did tons and tons of your college's
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  Speaker 2: worst young people. And like, even in that moment, like
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  Speaker 2: the reasons he lost are all evident in that video.
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  Speaker 2: Like even in that moment, he doesn't have like the
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  Speaker 2: grace or judgment or like bigness of spirit to not like, no,
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  Speaker 2: but he doesn't. I'm just saying this is the reason
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  Speaker 2: it's obvious now, but you look at it and he's like,
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't understand that this is not a moment to
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  Speaker 2: take a cheap little fucking shot at your opponent. Like,
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  Speaker 2: make it a little bit bigger, make it a little
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  Speaker 2: bit grander. But he just like doesn't have that instinct.
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  Speaker 2: He started with this awful little Twitter space with Elon.
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  Speaker 2: He ends with a slam on Nikki Haley and an
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  Speaker 2: apocryphal fucking Winston Churchill quote. Just a Winston Churchill quote
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  Speaker 2: made up from the fucking Easter. The most online candidate
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  Speaker 2: we've ever had. The Goodreads candidate. Not Goodreads. Fucking brainy quotes.
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  Speaker 5: Whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Who cares? Just fucking bullshit.
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  Speaker 1: I liked it in the NBC story too. It was like,
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  Speaker 1: and then finally he emerged from a meeting with his
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  Speaker 1: wife and he had already written a few lines of
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  Speaker 1: the announcement video announcing the end of his campaign. I'm like, Oh,
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: did he? Okay. Glad he got credit for that because
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: that sucked. Just like everything else he said in the campaign.
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  Speaker 1: It just was just, again, all ideology and politics aside
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  Speaker 1: is just fucking boring, trite bullshit from him at the,
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  Speaker 1: from the beginning to the end. Anyway, I think one
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: lesson we can all learn from the DeSantis campaign is
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  Speaker 1: that you can't win the presidency if you're missing a personality.
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  Speaker 1: Any other lessons you think we can learn from the
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  Speaker 1: DeSantis disaster?
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  Speaker 2: So I do think this whole thing was overdetermined, as
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  Speaker 2: we talked about. Bad campaign, bad message. Who knows what
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  Speaker 2: the world looks like if Republicans hadn't spent a year
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: defending and lying for Trump, right? We just have no idea.
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  Speaker 2: I will say, I do think that there are three
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  Speaker 2: life lessons that we can draw from the failure of
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis. Here are my life lessons from Ron DeSantis. One,
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  Speaker 2: If you don't know who you are, be careful because
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: other people will decide for you. Two, the internet is
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: a wonderful place to visit, but a terrible place to live.
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  Speaker 2: And three, you can persuade people on a variety of fronts,
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  Speaker 2: but you can't convince someone to like you. And the
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  Speaker 2: harder you try, the more you will fail. Those are
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  Speaker 2: my life lessons from Ron DeSantis.
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  Speaker 1: Those are nice commencement speech lessons about Ron DeSantis.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good idea. You go down to Florida
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  Speaker 2: and just like, here's a commencement address by a self-aware
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  Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis that can never take place.
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  Speaker 1: I have a few just sort of about politics and campaigning.
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  Speaker 1: Too much money in politics. And if you don't have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of money, people with a lot of money
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  Speaker 1: get a louder voice than you, right? So money's bad.
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  Speaker 1: But money isn't everything anymore in politics. Because just because
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: you have a lot of money does not mean you
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: are going to win. And that was certainly the case
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: with Ron DeSantis. A corollary of that is there was
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: a concern after Citizens United that like super PACs would
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: start running campaigns. And you just have a few billionaires
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: that fund the campaign and that those campaigns... A super
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: PAC running a campaign is not a very efficient or
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: smart or strategic campaign. Because if the super PAC cannot
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: coordinate with the candidate and the candidate's closest advisors throughout
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: the campaign, you need to coordinate together. You need to
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: have a similar message. You can't outsource your campaign, if
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: you're running for office, to a super PAC if you
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: cannot coordinate with them, which you can't by law. Yeah,
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: I was thinking about that. So first of all, did
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: you see that in one of the obituaries, there was
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: some advisor to someone tangentially connected to this whole fucking
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: shit show, basically saying, like, hinting that, like, like illegal
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: shit was going on that these guys were coordinating behind
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: the scenes. Yeah.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: It was like, it was like a, it was like
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: a Florida operative, long time Florida operative. So I couldn't
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: tell who it was, but it was like, I wouldn't
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: be surprised if, if Trump wins and the DOJ comes
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: after them because they were getting very close to coordinating.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Who knows? But, um, I think that's all true. Probably.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: I do think that like, if you're going to outsource
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: your campaign to the super, right. Why, by the way,
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: one other problem is the only way they could coordinate
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: was publicly. So you end up with these public fucking
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: spats with these memos going back and forth. Cause the
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: only way they can do it is by doing it
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: in the, in the press. But I do think that
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: it was especially impossible given that DeSantis had no real
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: clear message. If you had someone like Obama 2008, any
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: smart operative could write an ad from the Super PAC
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: without coordinating because the message is crystal clear. I mean,
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: it would be true of Bernie Sanders, too. He was
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: a uniquely ill-suited candidate to try this because the campaign
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: was so unclear and And by the way, not just message,
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: their strategy was so unclear that like, of course they
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: weren't gonna be able to figure this out.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, although I do think over the course of the campaign,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: just as you were saying that, I was thinking like,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: what if David Axelrod, who knew Obama very, very well
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: by the time he ran in 2008, had just like
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: gone over to a super PAC? Well, he knows Obama
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: and he would know the messages, but there were so
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: many times over the course of the campaign where events
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: happened where you needed a back and forth between the
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: consultants and the ad makers and the candidate, because there
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: was all disagreement. And so if that disagreement becomes like,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: you know, you can't even talk about it because you're,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: you can only talk about it in public. It's just
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: a weird way to, I don't know. I, you know,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's a, I mean, I'm not saying it's,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: it's useless and I'm sure a lot of people use
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: super facts to run ads and whatever, but I don't
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: think it's a, it's a good way to run it.
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: I also think that running to Donald Trump's right was
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: so dumb. The guy was president for four years and,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: And nearly 100 percent of Republicans who voted for him
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: liked most of his policies, liked him, even if they
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: had problems with them. No Republican voter thought that Donald
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Trump was too liberal. That was not their problem with
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump after seeing him as president for four years.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why it was so stupid.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Well, it goes to the it goes to DeSantis life lesson.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: He thought he convinced people to like him by proving
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: his bona fides as like a right wing figure. But
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: then you look at what Donald Trump did as president, deregulation,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: massive tax cuts for the rich, overturned Roe v.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Wade.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: He succeeded for these right-wing voters. Even coming out for
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: a six-week abortion ban, all that did was sort of
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: to alienate the people that were interested in something else
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: or a flexibility argument.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: And then last thing, I also thought that DeSantis' anti-woke
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: crusade animated a subset of very online right-wing activists. who,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: you know, are the ones who showed up at the,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: you know, at the school board meetings and, you know,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: protesting the drag and all that kind of stuff. Those
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: issues are simply not high on the list for most
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Republican voters, even if most Republican voters do agree with
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: his politics there. I kind of noticed this when I
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: was doing a lot of the wilderness focus groups, too.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Like in Virginia, I did some with people who had
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: voted for Biden and then voted for Youngkin. And it's like,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: they just, some of them actually disagreed with the education
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: stuff and some of the anti-woke stuff. Like you never
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: hear about, I never heard about DEI, critical race theory,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: trans issues. You do hear like Trumpy sounding views on immigration,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: on crime, on the economy, some on COVID even. But
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: like you just, it's not, it's definitely a subset of
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Republicans who are very loud about it. Yeah. And who
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: are activists. But I don't think it's, it's not what
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: animates most of that party.
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about New Hampshire. We've got a
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: primary Tuesday night where Nikki Haley is now the last
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: woman standing against this guy.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: How good did Elise step in at you? And by
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: the way, they don't work well in cold weather, but
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: it's certainly not great for your climb.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: Your climb, they call it, climb it.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: By the way, they never report the crowd on January 6th.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: You know, Nikki Haley, Nikki Haley, Nikki Haley, Nikki Haley.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: Is in charge of security.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: We offered her 10,000 people, soldiers, National Guard, whatever they want.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: They turned it down.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: They don't want to talk about that.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Here's Nikki Pelosi's response.
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: You said yesterday hearing this made you question Donald Trump's
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: mental fitness. Is that the first time you questioned his
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: mental fitness?
• 20:17
  Speaker 8: If you look recently, there have been multiple things. I mean,
• 20:20
  Speaker 8: he claimed that Joe Biden was going to get us
• 20:23
  Speaker 8: into World War II. I'm assuming he meant World War III.
• 20:27
  Speaker 8: He said that he ran against President Obama. He never
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: ran against President Obama. He says that I'm the one
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: that kept security from the Capitol on January 6th. I
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: was nowhere near the Capitol on January 6th. But, Margaret,
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: you don't be surprised if you have someone that's 80
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: in office. Their mental health stability is going to continue
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: to decline. That's just human nature. We know that.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: So first of all, I think that's like his worst
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: one yet, by the way, because he really couldn't fix it.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny when he did the one.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: The climate climb, climb. It's like, he was like, he
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: sort of just like, like short circuit it.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Uh, the, the one about Obama, a lot of these
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: were like kind of revealing, right? Because in his mind
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: in 2016, he was running against Obama in some way. Uh,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: but like, and then it's like, He's confusing Nikki Haley
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: and Nancy Pelosi because like the grooves in his fucking brain,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: like women, I can't fucking stand. It's like they're too
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: close to each other. You know, like it's just like
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: the cart slid over one groove and then he's fucked.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Can't get out of it.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: He was about to start calling her Hillary.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Hillary, Nikki, Nancy. Like he fucking hates
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: these bitches and they got him. They got to stop.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I mean, I thought it was it was bad.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: It was bad. So after a bunch of polls dropped
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: over the weekend, the final 538 average in New Hampshire
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: is Trump. 50.8%. Haley, 36.6%. What do you think? Why
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: couldn't she close the gap with Donnie Dementia over there?
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: First of all, it's too early for past tense. It's
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: too early. Just want to remind you, in 2008, the
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: final real clear politics average had Obama up by 8.3.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton wins by 2.6. That's an 11-point swing. So
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: we can just light one last candle to the patron
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: saint of content, Saint Isidore. I believe, is the saint
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: of the internet.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Well, we saw it closing, though. This has been opening.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: His lead's been growing.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think that, like, you know, you and
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Dan talked about this, but they're kind of, like, they're
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: playing the expectations game. Now they're going for a strong second. But,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: so that's not great. I mean, like, she's running up
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: a down escalator. You know, like, there's, like, she has
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: an electability argument, but she's making it to an electorate that, A,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: doesn't believe he lost, and B, believes he's on track
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: to win. And there's no other argument that's really broken through,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: and she doesn't have a clean one to make.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I share the bewilderment of many political observers that she
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: is not running an urgent campaign in New Hampshire. She's
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: not doing a lot of events. She's not going around
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: the clock. She's not making any new arguments. I get that.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I think that even if she visited every voter in
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: New Hampshire, if she talked to every voter in New
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Hampshire and campaigned 24 hours a day, seven days a week,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know that it would put her over the top.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: If you look in, just take the Monmouth poll, for example,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: the Washington Post Monmouth poll, rated A, high-quality poll. So
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: it's got 52-34, right? Trump up 52-34. It's sort of
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: like the average. They broke out undeclared and Republicans. Haley
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: is winning these undeclared voters 48-38. She's winning college graduates
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: by a narrower margin, 43-39. But Trump is winning registered
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Republicans 64-22, non-college-educated voters 60-27, and Very conservative voters, 78
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: to 10. She just hasn't made any inroads with the
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: actual Republican base. And even though 40% of the electorate
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: in New Hampshire is undeclared, 30% is Republican, like that's still...
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Steve Kornacki was tweeting this today. He said, just playing
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: with scenarios. He goes, just a sense of what Haley's
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: up against in New Hampshire. Say 47% of the electorate
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: ends up being undeclared. The previous record in... New Hampshire is,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: for a Republican primary of undeclared voters, is 45% of
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: the electorate. So she blows it out of the water,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: beats a record. Say she wins it by 43 points.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: The previous record is McCain winning undeclared by 42 points.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: That's John McCain. In that Monmouth poll, she was up 10.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: If she then hits 30% with Republicans, and that poll,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: she's in the mid-20s, low 20s, then she could win
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: by 0.1% with all of that. It's just the math
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: is like not... It's just too hard.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: It's too hard. And like, there's no... There's just no...
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: There's nothing a person can do.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: This is like nothing a single campaign or person can
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: do to change like the fundamental dynamics that would have required... Not,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: by the way, not just one campaign could even fix it.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: It would have required an entirely different response to Trump
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: for years by the Republican Party. Like that is like
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: the core of this problem. She... And, like, is it
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: possible that a figure with, like, once-in-a-generation political talents could, like,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: and excite that kind of shift in the dynamic? Absolutely. Like,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: that's what great political figures can do.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Nikki Haley is not that figure. If you were her,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: what would have to happen in New Hampshire for you
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: to keep this thing going through the South Carolina primary,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: which is a month from now?
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: It's just a win. It's just a win. I mean, like,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: they can say all they want, like, oh, strong second, which...
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: It seems like she is inevitably going to be able
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: to say she had given there's only two people in
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: the race. I believe, you know, I was in the
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: axis powers finished in a strong second in world war
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: two as well. Uh, uh, but, uh, I don't know
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: what the logic is for going on. If you can't
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: win outright in, I was, I was looking at the
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: states to come. Like, I think there's an, this is
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: certainly the most favorable state. I guess you could say DC,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: who knows what these electorates would look like, but.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Like Vermont and DC clean up there.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But this is one of, if not the most
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: favorable states she's going to face for certainly for weeks. Uh,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: the idea that she can then make up ground, like again,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: it would just be a person waiting for some kind
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: of like an exogenous event.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: As Tim Miller says, hamburger from heaven.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Or, or like, or, you know, some, some, I don't know.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I don't know. I mean, the way she's
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: been talking, has been watching some clips today, she's like,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm just in this. I'm going to see how,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: she does have, unlike DeSantis, she does have some money.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: So you could see maybe she's like, I got the money.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I came in second within, I was within single digits
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: of somehow she like loses by single digits.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I give that like a 20% chance. I don't think
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: it's going to happen. I think that's maybe the only,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: like she just, what has she got to lose? What
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: does she get to lose? She's just sitting there a month.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: She's going to get embarrassed in South Carolina.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not getting embarrassed in your home state.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: You're going to, you're going to let you come in.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: You come in second in New Hampshire. The campaign moves to, she's,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I think she's technically not even competing for delegates in
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Nevada for some reason. She, she goes to New Hampshire.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: That's where she make her last stand. Donald Trump is
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: campaigning across the state with her, with, with Tim Scott
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: and a bunch of other South Carolina Republicans who've endorsed. She's,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: she's down on the push mid weeks being kind of
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: just sort of attacked mercilessly in her home base. It
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: just seems like a pointless slog.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I would agree. I'd love her to
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: stay in because I think, not just for content purposes,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: which I know, of course, is top of mind, but
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: also the more she attacks Donald Trump, the nastier this
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: race gets, the better. You see the Biden campaign just
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: clipping all these comments about Donald Trump. It's great, but
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know if she'll do that for us. Do
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: you think there's any chance she doesn't endorse Donald Trump?
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: She's going to endorse him.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she already said she would. She's basically already given this.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: She's already said what she has to say. I mean,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: she's going to say some version of I ran a
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: hard campaign. You know, this is who we've chosen. I
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: always said I would get behind the Republican. I'll tell
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: you what makes me nervous. What's dangerous for our country
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: is a term of President Kamala Harris, et cetera, et cetera,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: et cetera. Disastrous debt. We got to come together. It's
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: just done.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I'd like to make a case for her for not
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: endorsing Donald Trump. OK. At least at least not publicly
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: right as she drops out. She like. First of all,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: she's not getting VP. Trump said she's not presidential timber. Now,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: when I say that, that probably means that she's not
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: going to be chosen as vice president. He was very
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: clear on that. So she's not getting the VP.
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: Probably.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: She's not getting maga love. They all hate her now.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: So she's not going back. She does like being on
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: corporate boards. She likes the sort of corporate Republican... You know,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: she wants to be like, you look at Kevin McCarthy.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy, he's not getting invited to Davos and all
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: these places now. He's not in with that crowd because
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: he went full MAGA, you know? And so I think
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: that Kevin McCarthy is like a man without a home now.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Nikki Haley could be like, you know, she could get
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: invited to the Harvard IOP. She could go to Davos, right?
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: She could do all these things. She doesn't have to.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: She could just step back and say, I don't like
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden either. but I said what I said about
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump and I'm just going to not say anything.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's, I don't know what's the downside
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: of that.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, look, if you could, we could
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: figure out what makes these people fucking sell their souls
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: for this. I would, I would love to know. I mean,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: she's already said, like, she's already gone to the trouble
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: of saying publicly, even if he's convicted, which is going
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: to support him.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Which is fucking wild.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Even if fucking convicted, which is like, these people do
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: not have, like, people are terrible.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: They're terrible.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: And like, They don't even have, they're so buffeted by events,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: there's such a lack of like a moral center that
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: they can't even understand what's in their own interests. They
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: do not have perspective.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: So even though New Hampshire hasn't voted yet, Republicans are
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: all lining up behind Trump and then humiliating themselves when
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: forced to answer for it. Newly engaged, congratulations, Vice President
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: hopeful Tim Scott endorsed Trump over the weekend and then
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: said this when asked about Trump going full birther on
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: fellow South Carolinian Nikki Haley.
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: I'm watching rhetoric on all sides of the issues facing
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: becoming president. What I mean by that is the rhetoric
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: from Joe Biden is terrible, but it is salacious. Nikki
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: Haley questions whether 70-year-olds should be allowed to run for president.
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: I think there is so much negativity and toxicity in
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: this rhetoric. aim to becoming president again or for the
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: first time, that we should be very clear and look
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: at both sides of the comments made.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: And here's Haley's top endorser, New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: responding to Trump's closing argument that he should be able
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: to literally get away with murder as president.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: You're going to have to give the president, you're going
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: to have to allow a president, any president, to have
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: immunity so that that president can act and do what
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: he feels and what his group of advisors feel is
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: the absolute right thing. Otherwise, you're going to have presidents
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: that are totally impotent.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: And we've had enough of them already. We've had enough
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: of them already.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: So having immunity.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: Is so important. And I hope the Supreme Court has
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: the courage.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: To do that.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Do you agree?
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: Should a president have total immunity, even for things that
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: cross the line?
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Of course not.
• 31:06
  Speaker 9: The amazing thing about that clip is he was dead serious.
• 31:08
  Speaker 9: He wasn't even making one of his ridiculous jokes. He
• 31:10
  Speaker 9: was dead serious about that. And that should get everybody.
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: I don't care what political party you're from, whether you're
• 31:14
  Speaker 9: an extreme conservative or socialist liberal, everybody should be concerned
• 31:17
  Speaker 9: with that type of mentality going into the White House.
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: And yet you are saying if he is the nominee
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: that you are going to support him. How can you
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: say that you'll support him?
• 31:26
  Speaker 9: At the end of the day, I think most Republicans
• 31:28
  Speaker 9: are going to get behind the Republican nominee. I'm hoping
• 31:31
  Speaker 9: that it's obviously Nikki Haley.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: There's nothing we can do, Republican politicians. We can't do it.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: The voters are saying they want Donald Trump. What are
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: we supposed to do? Tell the voters it's okay by
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: saying that we're also for Donald Trump? It's the only
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: thing we can do. There's nothing else we can do.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: This guy must be stopped until he can't be stopped,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: at which point we must unite behind him.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Who are we to second guess the voters?
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I read about some arcane term. I believe it's
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: pronounced liator, and I'm not sure what they are, but
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: we don't have any. And until some of these liators
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: show up, there's nothing we can do.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Another South Carolina politician, Trump also got an endorsement from
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Nancy Mace on Monday, who said after January 6th, that
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: he needed to be held accountable for the insurrection. Nancy Mace,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I just want to say, Trump hates Nancy Mace so
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: much that he backed a primary challenge against her, a
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: primary challenge that Nikki Haley helped Nancy Mace fend off
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: by going to her district to campaign for her. And
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Nancy Mace said thank you by endorsing Donald Trump just
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: to embarrass Nikki Haley before New Hampshire. Un-fucking-believable.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: They're terrible people. they've, they've terrible people and they've seen
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: this before. And if they all had the courage, they
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: could all stop this, but because none of them does,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: none of them can do anything other than just get
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: behind him. If more of them would do the right thing,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: a few more of them could do the right thing,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: but because none of them are doing the right thing,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: none of them can do the right thing.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: We could have played clips forever. So I didn't include
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: this one, but do you hear what Elise Stefanik said when, uh,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: when they asked her about, uh, Trump confusing Nikki Haley
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: and Pelosi?
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: What'd she say?
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: It wasn't a mix up. It wasn't a mix up
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: because Haley was, is relying on Democrats like Pelosi to
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: win New Hampshire. Elise Stefanik is going to change her
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: name to Elise Stepanek, like what Trump called her just
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: so she can be VP. I'm convinced. Yeah. She's going
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: to change her name.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: You know, look, we've been in this fucking thing for
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: now eight years. Nothing has changed and Marco Rubio continues
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: to hold two positions at once, which is that Donald
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Trump cannot be trusted with the nuclear weapons and we
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: must give him the codes as soon as possible. Like that,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: that is the Marco Rubio position. That is the Republican position.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: This guy.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: is unfit, and he has my full support. That's where
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: they're at.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I do hope that, I think that it's a lot
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: of these Trump comments and the comments from people like
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Haley and Sununu about Donald Trump, they're going to be
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: useful in the general for sort of independents, moderate voters,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: swing voters. The Biden campaign's been clipping them and tweeting
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: them and posting them everywhere. I think that's great, putting
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: them in ads. I think that will be one benefit
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: from this fucking debate. pathetic shit show. Absolutely.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: I think like the Trump, the Trump confusions are valuable,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: but even more will be that those Nikki Haley clips,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: even Ron DeSantis saying that if we're bogged down in investigations,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: we're going to lose, uh.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Like Jamie Dimon and Davos being like, there's some good
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: things about Donald Trump. There was a great CNBC headline,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: wall street opposition to Trump collapses. I was like, ah,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: I love that. Oh no.
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: Oh no.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: We're not gonna have wall street Trump's with wall streets
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: with Trump. Oh, because he also said today, he's excited
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: to give them another big tax cut.
• 34:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Collapse is like Tower 7. Inside fucking job. I don't
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: think we can use that.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: No.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying Wall Street is collapsing itself in support
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: of him. I think it actually, intellectually, ethically, it actually tracks.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: So we can think about leaving it in. But I'll just, yeah,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what I was going to say. Oh,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: what I was going to say is when Biden did
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: his January 6th anniversary speech, one of the points he made,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: which I think was very good, was these Republicans know better,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: but they've stopped telling the truth because of politics and
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: because of money. And I do think that's like a
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: core of what they're saying. The Republicans know better. And
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: by the way, we don't just need to use the
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: clips of Republicans to come around and endorse Trump. We
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: need the fucking Republicans that were in his cabinet that
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: have been attacking him in the Atlantic to start showing up.
• 35:31
  Speaker 9: I know.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Sarah Longwell over at The Bulwark has been saying this
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: for a while, and there was a good piece that
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: she wrote in The New York Times about it too,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: but ads, videos with all of these Trump cabinet officials,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: and again, people hear this, well, it's not going to
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: do anything with his fans. No, of course not. We're
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: past the fans now. It is these Trump-Biden voters or
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: these Mitt Romney Republicans, these suburban Republicans, and again, those
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: aren't the only swing voters in this election, but that
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: cohort we definitely need, and I think Those voters hearing
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: all of these people who worked for Donald Trump, who
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: supported Donald Trump, even people like Cassidy Hutchinson, who supported
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: him right till the very end, saying like, this guy
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: is dangerous. Don't do it. I think that will have
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: an effect.
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Before we head to break, two quick housekeeping items. On
• 36:16
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• 36:21
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• 36:22
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• 36:22
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• 36:37
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• 36:39
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• 36:48
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• 36:50
  Speaker 1: on Thursday. And even though that was right before DeSantis
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: dropped out, Newsom basically nails why he lost and gives
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: us some behind the scenes color on the great Newsom-DeSantis
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Fox News debate of 2023. They also talked about democratic messaging,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: culture wars and housing.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: I am thrilled to welcome. Patsy of America, the governor
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: of the great state of California, Gavin Newsom.
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: Even if you're lying, thank you.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: I love living here.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: Do you? All right. I like to hear this. Not
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: that I'm defensive.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. When you grew up on the East Coast,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: you get filled with anti-California propaganda. People are like, oh,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: the traffic and Hollywood and all this bullshit. And I
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: think it's to keep people like me out of the
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: state because you don't want too big of a population.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Is that correct?
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm not going to stipulate that, but I mean,
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: think about it. By the way, this state is larger
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: than people don't fully appreciate, including California. The state of
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: California is larger than 21 state populations combined. It gives
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: you a size of magnitude of California, just shy of
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: 40 million people. And of course, it's the temple of
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: the U.S. economy. And so it is interesting, just the
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: sort of the constant deluge of negativity that comes from
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: the anger industry and the anger machine that full-time bashing
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: sort of the new Trump derangement syndrome is the sort
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: of California derangement syndrome, that they're bashing truly the innovation
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: capital of the world, the entrepreneurial capital of the world.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Have you been to Boston in January? That's where I'm from.
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: Well, I love Boston.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you don't want to live there then.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: The spring.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: You want to live in Los Angeles there then. But
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: I digress. So thank you again for being here. So
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: we're recording this on Thursday, January 18th. So we're after
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: the Iowa caucuses, but before the New Hampshire primary. Just wondering,
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, you are I imagine, paying close attention to
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: what's happening. Any takeaways from the election results so far
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: or thoughts on how it might inform a general election strategy?
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: Well, I thought it was predictable. What wasn't necessarily predictable
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: or predicted was Trump's relative strength. And I know it's
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: been debated. It's, you know, everybody has an opinion whether
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: or not it was weakness masquerading as strength because he
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: didn't get 49% of the party as a de facto incumbent.
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, you know, a weak going
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: into that election, we were thinking he may not cross
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: the 50% threshold. So, you know, it depends what argument
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: you want to make. Look, I think this guy's strong
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: and getting stronger. I think in a Republican primary, he's
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: a T-Rex. You're either going to mate with him or
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: he's going to devour you in a Republican primary, that is.
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: And so good luck. I mean, you know, when the
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: headline today is, you know, DeSantis closes in a on
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: Trump because he picked up one percentage point in New Hampshire,
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: he's only down 44% in the New Hampshire primary. It
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: gives you a sense of the status of the race.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: And I just can't, honestly, no BS. I don't know
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: one state if DeSantis stuck it out that he can win,
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: not one. And maybe Haley has, you know, a chance
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: in New Hampshire, though. I thought You get one chance,
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: first impression coming out of a state. She seemed to
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: trip up a little bit. She's losing the news cycle
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: a little bit, a little of the momentum. And I know,
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: and I mean this sincerely. I mean, she had some,
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: you know, with her father and I really respect and
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: appreciate the humanity of that. You know, you have to
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: deal with her family. But even that being questioned and challenged,
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: that is she sincere about this? What's the closing argument?
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: What's the narrative? Is she now positioning, looking to run
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: for VP or something? But that just reinforces my notion.
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: This is Trump. And that means we need to gear
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: up and get ready here and just stop consuming ourselves,
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: who's up, who's down in the Republican primary and focus
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: on the stakes of a general.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Do you have thoughts on the best message to run
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: against Donald Trump if he's the nominee?
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, we could talk about liberalism, illiberalism, a
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: guy who lost the election and tried to vandalize democracy
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: and try to light it on fire. I mean, that's
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: pretty powerful and compelling. But I also think it's remarkable
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: that we're allowing this guy to walk away on Dobbs.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: He created it. I mean, the idea that he can
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: even lay claim. I mean, it's interesting. I'm applauding DeSantis
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: and Reynolds, at least making the argument Democrats need to
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: make that he's sort of running away a little bit
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: from the abortion issue and trying to appear to be
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: more centrist when in fact he created the conditions that
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: led to the decision itself. So this is, we can't
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: allow that. Democrats can't allow that. I was hearing Elizabeth Warren,
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: I texted her right after an MSNBC a couple of
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: nights ago and And she nailed, I mean, she's making
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: that point. We need to quadruple down on that point
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: because it's still a dominant issue. You add those two together,
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: I like our chances. And I'm not just saying that
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: because I'm a paid spokesman for the Democratic Party. I'm not.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: But I really feel very, very confident about November if
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: we compare and contrast and keep that frame and keep
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: that messaging intensity. Yeah.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: You're the only Democrat- at the moment, who has actually
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: debated one of the Republicans running around DeSantis. It really
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: is a two-on-one debate. It was you versus Sean Hannity
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: and DeSantis. Any takeaways from that experience about the process
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: from DeSantis himself?
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, I don't want to talk out of school.
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: I try to say some nice things at the end
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: because I actually meant them. It seems like a good
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: father and husband loves his kids. So there's a humanity
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: to all this and you sacrifice and you put yourself
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: out there. But he's wound up. There's no joy and
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: it comes across.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: It really does.
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: And it comes across in commercial breaks. And, and that
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: was what really surprised me. Like, you know, like when
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: you walk up and say hello or goodbye, you know,
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: his was like, well, how much time do we have?
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: How much time? He's like, it's just, there's, there's this, this,
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: this can, it's just, there's, you got to at least
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: express some joy. At least Trump looks to be enjoying himself.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: He's having a blast.
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: There's a performative quality to it. This guy doesn't have that.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: And so, you know, that becomes the it thing. There's
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: a stiffness, there's a physical intensity. I mean, it literally,
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: it manifests, there's a physiology. And it's just, there's no likability,
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: like none. And again, I went on Fox. I don't
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: dislike anybody. All of us need to be loved. All
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: of us want to be loved. We want to be protected, connected, respected.
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: None of us want to be talked down to. The
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: reason I go on Fox is, you know, with Hannity,
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: because I see that humanity. I'm married into a Republican family.
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: I love my father-in-law. I love, you know, I just,
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: I don't, I don't, I don't like, I don't like
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: that side of the political frame. And so I was
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: trying to find some of that and I'll be just
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: damn honest with you. Didn't find any of it. And
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: it doesn't surprise me that it's accruing negatively, obviously, to
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: his chances in the outcome of this election for him.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: I had a similar experience, albeit on a lot of, uh,
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: not the same level. I mean, I, I interviewed Vivek
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Ramaswamy out in Iowa. When you see someone with their spouse,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: with their kids, it humanizes them instantly. And then I
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: interviewed him and he just felt like he was wound
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: up and ready to fight. And I was like, I
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: don't know, man, I'm just trying to have a conversation.
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: I watched all that. And I saw that and it
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: was awkward.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: It was awkward.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: And you were trying to be, you were trying to
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: find that, that, that space. And, uh, look, every, it's interesting.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, You go on with, you know, what's the
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: old phrase? You're dukes up. You know, my grandfather would say,
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: come in with the dukes up, young man. And so
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: I get everybody puts a mask on when they come
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: into the environment where they feel like they're about to
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: be judged and criticized, particularly when I go on networks
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: like Fox or try to at least approximate trying to
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: find some common ground when I enter in that lion's den. But,
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: you know, once you put on those airs, you get
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: them back. And that's, I think, what's missing sometimes about
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: some of these folks is, And at the same time,
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: Vivek at least attempts to at least associate him sometimes
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: with some at least rhetoric around finding some kind of ground.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: This guy DeSantis doesn't.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: DeSantis said Nikki Haley is more liberal than you. Is
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: that accurate?
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: Yes, that's a new talking point that he's used I
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: think 30 or 40 times. No, but I think DeSantis
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: is in some respects. I mean, he was out there
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: first on the anti-fracking ban in Florida. I applauded him
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: for that. Sierra Club did as well. He also came
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: out very aggressively to his credit against offshore oil drilling.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: And I applauded him for that.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: That sounds pretty good.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: He campaigned on that and he signed an executive order
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: right when he got into office. So, I mean, the guys,
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: you can't make this up. I mean, these guys just
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: running away from their record, the sort of fraudulent nature
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: of their current arguments based on their own records. So,
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: He may want to look in the mirror if he's
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: going to attack Nikki Haley for being, quote unquote, a progressive.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I'll tell him about the Green New Deal
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: if he comes on.
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: I know you consume a lot of conservative media, especially
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Fox News. I went down a rabbit hole listening to
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Steve Bannon's podcast for a while, so I've been there
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: with you. But you also go on these shows. You
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: challenge these guys. What did you learn from that experience?
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: Why do you watch a lot of Fox? Why do
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: you want to go on?
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: Well, I was really worried before the midterms and we
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: could take different lessons from the midterms. I mean, we
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: all felt we outperformed the midterms just like we did
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: in 2018, 2020, 2022, 2023. And that gives me, again,
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: some confidence, momentum and directionally in terms of where we'll
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: be in 2024. We keep winning. I mean, it is remarkable.
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: And we're winning in places large and small. Jacksonville, Florida,
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: Republican was stronghold and a Democratic mayor, just another example.
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: But That said, I didn't think we're necessarily winning on
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: the messaging. And I was sick and tired of being
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: on the receiving end of the Republican Party talking points.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: And after Dobbs, I particularly felt concerned about our party
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: being on our heels, not on our toes, and express
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: that very publicly in a way that wasn't necessarily universally
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: well received by the party, where I mentioned in Planned
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: Parenthood after Dobbs, where the hell's my party? And it
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: wasn't an indictment of any individual. It wasn't an indictment
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: of the DNC. Quite the contrary. Jamie's a friend. I
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: respect and really appreciate the work he's doing. It was
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: indictment of all of us at all levels, governors, mayors,
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: local leaders, that we need to be more aggressive and
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: stop being on the receiving end of CRT or DEI
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: or ESG or the anti-gay, anti-trans agenda and this banning
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: and cultural purge that was going on and continues to
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: go on and the book bans and everything else. How
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: are these guys framing the debate on these issues? And
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: so That's why I went on True Social. I was
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: the first Democrat to do that.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: I forgot you did that.
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: That's when I did a 4th of July ad saying, seriously, freedom?
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: You're trying to make an argument about patriotism and freedom,
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: Ron DeSantis, as you literally signed a bill denying women
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: that were raped or instances of incest that could not
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: access their reproductive rights? That was the first bill he signed, remember,
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: before the six-week ban. And so I did that little
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: 4th of July ad in Florida. Make the case. Spare
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: me the notion of freedom. and try to recast that
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: a little bit. And did the same thing with billboards
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: in a bunch of states on reproductive freedom. And then
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: I did ads in Texas against Abbott. And it was iteration.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: And then- You're boosting their economy.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, that's, look, I just, I don't know,
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: in most of my life, Democrats, I just feel like we,
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: there's a little timidity here. We think there's sort of
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: an intellectualization of the argument we're gonna win, but facts
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: don't matter. Narrative matters. Ship-shifting is in the narrative. These guys,
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: it's illusion. that dominates. I watched this anger industry, this
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: propaganda network and the bullshit and information, misinformation 24 seven.
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: And it's not just Fox. You get it on one
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: American news. I never heard of that until they tried
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: to recall me. And, and then obviously Newsmax and then
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: all the residual and the derivative media in that space.
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: And they literally, I don't, I don't get angry with
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: people that are misinformed because I know why I watch it.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: I totally sincerely understand why they say what they say
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: and believe it and can't believe the facts because they
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: think we're making it up as an alternative to the
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: BS that these performative folks, particularly Fox primetime, throw out
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: in the evening. And so I just felt it was
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: important to go on Hannity. I did it a few times,
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: got in the lion's den at the Reagan library during
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: the Republican debate. That was some fun on behalf of
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: the Biden campaign. I was honored to do that. And
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: I had fun doing it. And I felt like- Sean
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: seems to like you.
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Are you guys friends?
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: Do you talk?
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: Do you text? Yeah, we do.
• 49:00
  Speaker 6: We did.
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: The debate.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Did you do too well?
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: Well, no. I don't know how Farron balanced for those
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: old enough to remember Farron balanced.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: No, he was attacking me the whole second hour.
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was... uh, it was anyway, I like Sean and, um,
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: still like Sean. Um, you know, uh, it was, uh,
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: Not everything that was represented before that debate was manifested
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: at the debate. Let's just leave it at that.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Is Truth Social a good time? Are you still on it?
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: It's so much fun. I mean, it's just, if you
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: really are feeling down and out and you need some
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: good feedback to close out your day, you may have
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: a drink. I just look at the threads in my feet.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: It's wonderful.
• 49:40
  Speaker 8: I bet.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: So it turns to California news. So on March 5th,
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: Voters here in California will get to vote on Prop 1,
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: which could provide billions of dollars for housing for veterans,
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: for people with mental illnesses, addiction issues, who are living
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: on the streets. I want to dig into the specifics
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: of Prop 1 in a minute. But first, we're just
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: hoping to start with some basics. What do you think,
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: in your opinion, are the biggest drivers of homelessness nationally
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: and in California?
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: Well, affordability. It's the original sin. And you're seeing the
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: housing crisis manifest everywhere, not just here in the state
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: of California, though. You know, California, we've led the nation
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: in terms of high costs and nimbyism that's led to
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: low production and led to supply-demand imbalance that is quite
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: literally strangling the ability for middle class to make it
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: in the state and impacting the dream. Remember, there's two dreams,
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: the American dream and the California dream, and it's predicated
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: on social mobility, and it's fundamentally at the core of this. Now,
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: more broadly... So were reforms that were made not just
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: in the 80s when Ronald Reagan was president of the
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: United States, but going back in the 50s and 60s
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: and 70s, particularly as it relates to the issues of
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: mental health. And that's coming home to roost. And I'll
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: just give you some proof points in that. It's interesting,
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: in California in 1959, I know this is Black and
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: White Movie Days, but we have 37,000 mental health units
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: and beds in this state. Last year, 5,500. We're down
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: about 85%. Now, you look at that historically, a lot
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: of people attach it to then-Governor Reagan, who significantly cut
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: the state hospitals and mental institutions. But it was also
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: a bipartisan effort. It wasn't just Reagan leading that charge
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: just from a budgetary perspective. People didn't want people to
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: be incarcerated against their will. There was an infamous 1975 decision,
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: O'Connor versus Donaldson, that literally said you cannot exclusively incarcerate
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: someone for just having a mental illness has to be
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: for broader issues. So there was a push, bipartisan push.
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: But in the 80s, when President Reagan became president, he
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: started to block grant a lot of the funding and
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: of the promise, the vision of the community, alternatives never
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: was realized. So look, in California, it's a 50-year sin,
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: a process that unfolded over the course of decades that
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: led to so much of the stress and travails that
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: we experience when we see people literally with their pants
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: down in the And you're like, what the hell are
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: we doing? Why can't we help this person? And so
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: it's the acuity of it. What's happening in the street
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: population has really shifted in the last decade or so.
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: The encampments, the tents, people that are self-medicating with drug
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: or alcohol addictions, with bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, paranoia, and the like.
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: And we're at a point where we can't play on
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: the margins. And that's what Prop 1's about. It's about
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: quite literally advancing the vision that was laid out a
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: half century ago but never realized for community alternatives. 11,150
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: new treatment beds and units. New zoning and siting reforms
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: so we can deal with the regulatory thickets so we
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: actually could deliver on the promise. Accountability, which is key here.
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: I'm a progressive, but more is not better. Better is better.
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: We need to hold ourselves to a higher level of accountability.
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: And reforming the old Mental Health Services Act, which is
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: a point of pride in California. but no longer is
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: relevant to the world we're living in. It was designed
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: in 2004 and never included the Mental Health Services Act,
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: housing and substance abuse. So we want to incorporate the
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: reform to require a billion dollars a year of ongoing
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: money focused on housing and focusing on those that are
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: struggling with bipolar disorder, again, as well as those who
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: are self-medicating. So this is an exciting reform. It's scaled.
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: No other state in history has ever advanced It's a
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: unity issue, bipartisan support, and the legislature to get it
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: on the ballot. And it's a chance really to make
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: a real dent and address the issue that defines more
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: other issues in the state. And that's our failure to
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: address what's happening on our streets.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: You mentioned the encampments. There's a Supreme Court case that
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: the Supreme Court's going to hear out of Oregon that
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: could determine what authority cities have to clear homeless encampments.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: I know your administration filed an amicus brief urging the
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: court to take up the case to clarify these laws.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: Can you talk about why you think the court needs
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: to step in. And are you concerned at all that
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: this very conservative court could come down with more draconian ruling,
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: like saying homelessness is criminalized?
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: Well, right now there's nothing more draconian than the status quo.
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: I don't know what the compassion is stepping over people
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: in the streets and sidewalks and allowing people literally, I mean,
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: how many days go by and you read it or
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: watch another story in the news about someone that was
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: found dead in a homeless encampment. I do homeless encampment cleanups.
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: This is not, I did it once. I do it
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: all the time. I go out all over the state personally.
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: I'll never forget. I was in San Diego with their
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: mayor and we went to an encampment right off the freeway.
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: And there was this young guy and self, you know,
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: he said, I'm a meth addict. Came here a few
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: months ago. I was trying to get clean and sober.
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: And right when I got off the bus, I was like,
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: I immediately went back out on the streets. And he said,
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: thanks for coming out. I'm not happy, but he goes, thanks.
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: I said, well, why are you thanking me? And inside
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: the encampment was his girlfriend and a brand new baby.
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: You're a brand new baby. I mean, we could just
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: turn our blind eye and talk about the way the
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: world should be and just say, excuse and accept that
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: and watch him perish and pass away and be another stat.
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: But at least we give this kid a chance now.
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: We gave him a chance. He said, I'm probably going
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: to be back out. He was so kind and so decent.
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: And it was so tragic. I mean, this guy, just
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: the deep diction. I mean, that's meth, not fentanyl. I mean,
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: the fentanyl crisis is all another thing. And so, look,
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: I put seven... When I got here, the state of
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: California was not focused on the issue of homelessness. It
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: was completely consigned to cities and counties. I was a
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: former mayor. I get it. When Schwarzenegger was governor, they
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: didn't focus on homelessness. They talked about it. By the way,
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: we had a larger homeless population in 2005 when I
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: was mayor of San Francisco. That was decades ago. It
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: was 188,000 in the pick count. It's about that now.
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: So this has been going on for decades. My point, though,
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: is the state needed to get involved $ 15. 3 billion later.
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: That's our three-year commitment to address this issue. We now
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: need to see accountability. And the problem we're having is
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: that accountability is being hindered by the inability to address
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: what's happening in the encampments because we're being sued. And
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: the courts have provided some very confusing guidance on what
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: you can and can't do as it relates to cleaning
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: up the encampments. And here I am a progressive Democrat
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: that I'll put up against in terms of my progressive
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: record against pretty much any governor in this country now
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: asking this Republican Supreme Court for help just to clarify
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: that we can actually clean up the encampments and do
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: it with our values. Do it in a way where
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: we actually, we're not whack-a-mole. We're not trying to get people,
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: just throw them around the corner. I have encampment resolution grants,
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: 750 million I put up that require us to have
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: a solution to the individuals before we allow them to
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: clean up the encampments. Right now, we may have all
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: of that and the courts may say, no, you can't
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: do it.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: Can you explain what that means? Guaranteed housing?
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: Whatever the services, I mean, it's a panoply of services,
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: but we want flexibility in what the services. Some people say, no,
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: it just needs to be a permanent supportive housing unit.
• 57:08
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: In a perfect world, sure. But let's have an honest
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: conversation about that. Some say, no, no, just, I mean,
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: if I have a shelter bed and you know, and
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: it has appropriate conditions and supportive services, that should do.
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: And some judges are saying, Ninth Circuit, we have some
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: judges that say, no, no, no, you have to have
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: certain staffing ratios. And you're like, okay, you know, I
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: can't help this person. I got empty shelter beds. They're
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: out on the streets and sidewalks. People are angry. They're frustrated.
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: These encampments, you know, we had a lot of issues
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: with Some of these things, people dying in these encampments
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: because of fires and other issues right near the freeways
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: and cars. And so just trying to find some balance.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: And some common sense. And I think we've lost a
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: little common sense. And again, I want to hold hands.
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: I want to have a candlelight vision. I want to
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: talk about the way the world should be. I'm into that.
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: But you know what? I got to deal with cars
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: that are dealt, the pragmatism of this job. And we
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: need to deal with what's happening on the streets in
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: this state. We just do. And as Democrats, we have
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: to perform. We can't just talk about issues. We got
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: to actually deliver results. Prop one's about real results and
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: delivering the support and services and the housing, 11,150 units
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: and 27,000 outpatient units. So that grants pass allows us clarity.
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: We have unprecedented opportunities for support we've never had in
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: the past. So it's both and, both and.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: If you could wave a magic wand and have all
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: the funding you need and get rid of all the
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: nimby bullshit that happens in this state to solve the
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: problem in one fell swoop. What would that look like?
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: Well, we're doing that. I mean, we did some conservatorship reform.
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: I did something called Care Court, which is a nation-leading
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: effort as it relates to court-ordered care where it's self-directed,
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: it's not coercive, and it's done with a frame of
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: due process that allows more tools. I'm reforming the Medi-Cal system.
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: It's called CalAIM, which is, I mean, nothing's happening in
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: the Medicaid system like we're doing in California in terms
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: of reforming that system. I have $ 4. 7 billion legislature supported.
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: Thank you. $ 4. 7 billion new additional dollars focused on children,
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: zero to 26, to focus on brain health early before
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: we punish it later. So it's not just homelessness. It's
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: also taking care of our kids, our youth. All those
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: are component parts, but what it's been missing, the magic wand,
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: the thing that is the answer to your question, honestly,
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: is prop one. And I'm not just here promoting it.
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: I'm here really sort of, I think it demands attention
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: at least that it is the missing piece. It's the
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: 50 year missing piece. It's what we promise. It's what
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: we pray for. And we have the opportunity to deliver
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: in just a matter of weeks. And that's why I'm excited.
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: And then it's about accountability. Look, I'm not the mayor
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: of every city and county in California. Localism is determinative
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: and local government has to deliver.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: Switching gears a little bit. So I saw that you
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: vetoed a bill that would have banned tackle football for
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: kids under 12.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: Now you're an athlete growing up, right? Were you a
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: football player?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: Is it obvious? Yeah.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 6: Yes. Is it?
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 6: Baseball?
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: Baseball.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: I don't look like a football player to you.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 8: Really?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: All right. I made a little more baseball, basketball, not basketball.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: Baseball, basketball.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: Um, I'm, well, I mean, I'm just curious why you
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: view this bill. Look, full disclosure, I read about it.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: I thought this seems a bit off to me.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: Football isn't the only contact sport, right? There's hockey, there's lacrosse.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: My kids are playing soccer and there's not a game
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: where there's not someone that is not looking at a
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: concussion protocol.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of research about high concussion rates among
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: girls' high school soccer teams in particular.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: That's hard, yeah.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, so I'm just wondering, you know, you have,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: Kids who play sports, you play sports yourself, you're dealing
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: with the legislature. What is the right balance between keeping
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: kids safe and not denying them opportunities that come from sports?
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: Well, that's it. I mean, look, I'm sitting here with you, literally,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: no BS. You wouldn't have had any interest in me
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: whatsoever if it wasn't for sports. Saved my life. I'm
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: a kid, you know, I'm a 960 SAT kid. And
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: that's not to knock someone who got 930, okay? I mean,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: I don't mean to diminish anyone. I was on my
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: way proudly to community college and I got a call
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: from two coaches I said, hey, are you interested in
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: coming to a four-year college and playing baseball? And we'll
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: give you a literally partial scholarship. It wasn't even the money.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: It was literally the ticket to a four-year university. Changed
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: my life, my trajectory. Struggled with dyslexia. Couldn't read, write.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: You don't see me reading speeches today as governor. I'm
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: still working to overcome it. Sports saved my life. So
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: I revere it. And I also revere the unity around it.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: you know, I think about the mental health issue. I
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: think that's a unity agenda, but there's also something beautiful
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: about entire community coming together and not someone looking, Hey,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: are you a Trump guy? Are you a Biden guy?
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: It's like, man, Hey, we're just, you know, Eagles fans
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: or this case, we have Niner fans or, or, or
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: charger LA. I don't, I don't want to get in trouble.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: Now I have to go through every team. Everyone's going
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: to be upset. You didn't mention the Rams, Jesus. You know,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: I didn't mention the Dodgers either. But the point being
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: sports are important. And, and, and, And it's an important outlet,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: particularly in a lot of diverse communities, particularly football. And
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: I've seen that firsthand as a former mayor who was
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: deeply involved in some of the Pop Warner and the
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: Brown Bombers in San Francisco and others. But same time,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm close. I put Ronnie Lott on this
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: youth sports committee. Ronnie's a friend. He's working with my wife,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: who is a college athlete.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: Legendary football player.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: Legendary football player. And we're tasking Ronnie and others to,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: We have to keep this safe. I worry about these kids.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: I mean, the concussion protocols are real. And a lot
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: of these kids don't know how to tackle correctly, et cetera.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: So here's the answer to your question. Sorry about all
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: that preamble. But in 2019, I signed a bill that
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: answered that question in detail, which was a youth sport
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 5: tackle football framework and new regulation went into effect just
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: two years ago. And it requires certain training and protocols
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: and EMS workers to be on site in certain events,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: et cetera. What we're going to do is strengthen that.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: We're going to look to see if it was effective.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: And this is, I appreciate the author of this bringing
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: this issue back up, but our outright ban, come on.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: I didn't think it was the right thing to do,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: but we have to protect our kids because it's legitimate.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: But to deny them that and to say, you have
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: to do flag football, which is amazing and it's growing
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: and it's great. And I love to see that my
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: son plays flag football. It's really great to have that
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: as an alternative, but we shouldn't mandate what that alternative
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: looks like.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess where do you draw the lines
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: between where the parents make these decisions and a state?
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: A little old-fashioned. And meanwhile, what are we dealing with
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: on the other side, this cultural purge and this banning binge?
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, we're dealing with a party, guys like you
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: brought up, DeSantis and Trump and everyone else, banning books, 3,362
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 5: the last calendar year, banning speech in boardrooms, private speech
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: as it relates to issues related to race and gender
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: and sexuality, not just in the classroom. They're banning travel.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: If you're trying to access reproductive care as a minor
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: in a place like Idaho, these guys are banning bids
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: that includes Bud Light, not just Disney and Target. I mean,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: they're banning abortion. They're banning fundamental freedoms and choice. They're
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: rolling back hard on rights, voting rights, not just LGBTQ rights.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: They're coming after contraception. Don't think twice about that. We
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: already know it in the courts. Amifo, miso and other things.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, this is, this is, I mean, I'd like to,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: we need a little compare and contrast. I know they
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: got a little upset that we were mandating mask wearing,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: and they all think everything goes back to COVID. But
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 5: I do believe in parental choice. And I find it
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: the hypocrisy on the right just to be glaring and extraordinary.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: And I also think that's a point of contrast. It's important.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: People like you, Dr. Fauci, like anyone in a leadership
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: position during COVID had to make decisions on the fly
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: about a virus that literally didn't exist.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: No, we're all, we're experts. And we knew every play
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: every day.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, I just, I just wonder what that was
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: like and what it's like now watching these recriminations. I mean,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: people are calling Dr.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: Fauci a traitor. It's complete revisionist history and they're getting
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: away with it. And we've allowed them to get away
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: with it. I mean, Rhonda Sandis, at that debate, I
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: reminded everyone, he did an emergency declaration before I did.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: He closed his beaches. He closed his bars and restaurants.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: All these other Republicans folks, Robbins did. I mean, Yet
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: you had DeSantis himself out there visiting with Trump with
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: a mask on outside. And all of a sudden, it's
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: as if these guys all of a sudden were soothsayers
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: and they saw the future and none of this was true.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: They were out there celebrating Fauci. They were out there
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 5: promoting vaccines. By the way, they promote vaccines now. Everyone
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: knows this. I assume the mandates on vaccines in states
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: like Florida, red states, are legendary. You can't get a
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: childcare unless you have 15 vaccination shots. You can't even
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: get them to schools without six vaccines mandated in states
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: like Florida. But all of a sudden with COVID, now
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: we're not for vaccines. And all of a sudden it's
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: a revisionist anti-public health and anti-science frame purely because of
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 5: the ideology and the politicalization of this issue.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: Well, and DeSantis today said, every booster you take, you're
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: more likely to get COVID as a result.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: It's disgraceful. What he's doing, hurting people, people's lives. Tens
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: of thousands of people died Tens of thousands of human
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: beings are dead today because he lied to folks and
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: he fell to the far right of his own party.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: The equivalent of 10 9-11s, if you compare and contrast
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: California's per capita death rate, is just 32% higher without
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: the density of place. I mean, compare the density in
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: a place like LA to a place like Miami. It's
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 5: significantly higher here. And then he caved. He was right.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: He started on the right foot and then he caved
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: to the far right extreme. And it's really sad. Again,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: if people didn't lose their lives, it's one thing. By
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: the way, they also did worse on education. They had
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: more learning loss in a place like Florida than compared
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: to California. Absolute fact. In three of the four categories,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: they had worse learning loss, and their economy didn't particularly
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: form any better. They contracted at about the same rate,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: and we grew about the same rate the year after COVID.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: So for what? For political expediency. And again, they've been
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: aided and abetted by a laziness on here where we've
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: all sort of fallen prey a little bit to acting
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 5: like this thing wasn't a big damn deal. I was
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: getting body bags from other states because we were running
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: out of body bags at the morgues. We had mobile
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: morgues I had to put up. I mean, this was serious.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: People have forgotten all about this. And I know we
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: don't want to come back to it because we're stacked
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: with stress. And it's like the last thing we want
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 5: to talk about. It's like, oh, God, I can't deal
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: with this. I get it. but I don't think we've
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: learned objectively our lessons. The lessons we're learning are through
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: the prisms of ideology. You get these right-wing think tanks say, well,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: here's what really happened. Or with respect, some others on
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: the other side that are a little bit loosey-goosey of
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: the facts as well. And I think we need to
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: really come to grips with an objective, hard-earned look. I've
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: tried to be self-critical. Well, we could have done better,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: et cetera, because I don't think we're, absolutely, I don't think,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: I know we're not more prepared now for the next pandemic.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: I think we're less so because all of a sudden
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 5: science is now Partisan, just like democracy has somehow become partisan.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 5: When the hell did that happen?
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that seems like a problem too.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: And before COVID, right, there was certainly some communities that
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: were scared about debunked research that vaccines could cause autism.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: But the amount of vaccine hesitancy and disinformation and fear-mongering
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: and general fear among well-meaning people, people I know and
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: love deeply who are scared that vaccines are going to
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: harm them or their kids. It seems like something has
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: been unleashed during COVID. And I'm wondering if you have
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: thoughts on how we can fix that and get people
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: the right information.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't know. I mean, look, the information came
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 5: out of Yale, 18.5 million people avoided hospitalizations, 3.2 million
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: people's lives were saved because of the vaccines. You look
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: back historically and what vaccines have saved in terms of
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: human lives. Globally, it's off the charts. It's not even comparable.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: By the way, perhaps that's why vaccines are still mandated
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: in all these red states to get into schools and
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: to get in childcare facilities. I mean, even these guys
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: recognize the impacts of that. That said, because they've analyzed
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: the confidence, you're starting to see diseases we haven't seen
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: in years and years start to increase. These numeric terms, percentage-wise,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: it's significant, not yet numerically in terms of total numbers,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 5: but the concerns are raised and they're there. And look,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: I'm deeply... I got in the middle of the whole
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 5: anti-vax thing before COVID. So I understand it. There was
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: some changes to our rules and I'm, you know, and
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: I get it. I get there's some good well-meaning to
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: your point. I don't, I don't disrespect people that disagree.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: And I certainly understand people's rights and, and concerns. Uh,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: but there was a lot of intentional disinformation, not just
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: misinformation that was out there and promoted and weaponized. And, uh,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: It costs people's lives. And so I'm a public health guy.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: I can lay claim to being the only governor in U.S.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: history to provide universal health care, regardless of pre-existing condition,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 5: ability to pay, or immigration status, which has been weaponized
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: in terms of grievance on the other side. California is
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 5: doing that. It's a point of pride. Infant mortality, maternal
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: mortality compared, blue states compared to red states, not even comparable,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: life expectancy, blue states, red states, death of despair, blue states,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: red states. I like our record. I like I like
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: team blue in terms of science and facts and health
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: and evidence. I don't want us to lose that.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want us to either. Last question is
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: a very dumb one. No. I was informed by our younger,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: cooler team here at Crooked Media that the 2024 Coachella
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: lineup is pretty mid. Oh, man.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: Pretty mid? Do I have to look that up?
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: It means it's not great.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: I figured mid was not so good. Do you have
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: a dream Coachella lineup? Is there a concert you really
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: want to see right now or have seen recently?
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: You know, I thought it was, I don't know if
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: this is cool, but I thought it was cool. My
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: wife just sent me a selfie with Wycliffe and I'm like, wait,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: that's kind of cool. I was like, what's my wife
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: doing with Wycliffe? They're talking about gender equality. I didn't
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 5: know Wycliffe was into gender equality. So he's up there now. Anyway,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 5: she wants to now put him in that California Hall
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: of Fame. I'm like, really? Just like that? Just because
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 5: you met him? Is that how it works? I'm going
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: to get in trouble, by the way. We're going to
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: have to edit this out. No, that's not how it works.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: There's a process. But maybe he deserves. I don't know.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: I love Wycliffe. I mean, as a singer. Look, I'm
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: old school, man. I'm a Bay Area kid. I'm like
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 5: a Green Day Metallica kid.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's great. Green Day was performing in the subway
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: the other day?
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: How cool was that with Fallon, right? Yeah. That was
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: next level cool. I mean, those guys are the best.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: That'd be a great, I could absolutely see them doing
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: a Coachella headliner.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 5: Thank you. And Lars is a buddy. Metallica, come on, Metallica. Like,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: come on. And then, you didn't expect Metallica, did you?
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: You're like, he doesn't seem like a Metallica guy. He
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: seems like maybe he just learned about Taylor Swift or something. Yeah,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 5: who we do love. We love Taylor Swift.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: We do, of course.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: I don't mess with Taylor Swift.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: Someone told me the other day, this could be total disinformation,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: that Metallica is one of the only bands to stay
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: together because they saw a group therapist.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 5: Fact.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: They did a whole documentary on it. Okay. No, they're like,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: these guys are, these guys are the real deal. They
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: deal with real issues and they've stayed together across their differences.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: They talk it out, they hug it out. And I mean,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: but it's, these guys are next level successful. These are,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: you know, these are the guys that still fill in
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: stadiums around the globe and could do that every single
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: damn day. There's only a handful of them, but they're
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: also remarkable guys. This is human beings individually committed. I mean,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: I bring up Lars, he's just a perfect example. Talk
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 5: about a guy who's deeply in our lane of values,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 5: cares about people, growth, and inclusion across the spectrum on
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: every issue. Inclusion and recognizes that we need to right
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: wrongs and take some accountability in his own life in
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 5: terms of his own time, not just his own contribution
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: financially to these causes. Anyway, I love those guys in
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 5: Green Day. Come on, man, look what they did in
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: New Year's. They changed, well, you know, they just did
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 5: a little mega shot. I was like, I like it.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: And they all went all crazy. I mean, they still
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 5: do it. They got guts, man. I love that. People
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: have guts that express themselves.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: I like that too.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 6: So, okay.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: So we got like Friday, Fugees, or maybe just Wyclef.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Yeah, Friday, Fugees, Fugees.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: They might need a band therapist if we're being honest.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to get into all this. I need
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: all the friends I can get.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to. Green Day Saturday. Headliner Sunday closing
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: it out, Metallica.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: I would sell out in a heartbeat.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah. That's not mid anymore, is it?
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: That's not mid at all. Exactly. That's more Lollapalooza vibes, maybe?
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: Lollapalooza vibes.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: No? Yes, no?
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: I got Bottle Rock up north. We got Napa, which
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: is starting to blow up. That's getting good, right?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: That is always fun. I never went just, I don't
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: know why.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: And Outsides Land.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Outsides Land is great.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: When I was mayor, I got that done in Golden
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: Gate Park. I was like, first year, I got that done.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: Outside lands is a blast. The only thing I will say,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: my only complaint living in San Francisco is it would
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: be August 20-something and you're walking around in a fucking parka.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 8: Really?
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: Because it was freezing cold.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: Are you doing the whole Mark Twain, the coldest winter
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco?
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. That's a shot, man.
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  Speaker 5: That's just like a Southern California dude giving a shot
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  Speaker 5: to Northern California.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, you know that fog is real.
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  Speaker 5: That's a lot of shade, man, or a lot of fog.
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  Speaker 3: It gets cold.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it gets cold. By the way, you can only
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  Speaker 5: say what I say about DeSantis' policies. They have the
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: form and substance of fog. Because, you know, only a
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  Speaker 5: San Francisco kid can lay claim to that. Don't even get,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: and Trump, we don't even want to lay claim to any,
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  Speaker 5: he doesn't even have any policies.
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  Speaker 3: I was trying to call him Jan DeSantis, but it
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  Speaker 3: didn't really catch on.
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  Speaker 5: Jan DeSantis. That's pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't even get a shot. I don't know. The
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  Speaker 3: other mics are off. Everyone else left.
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  Speaker 5: DeSanctimonious, I guess, still is the default best.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: I know, but it's default. You have a better one?
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  Speaker 3: You don't.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: No. But it doesn't even matter anymore. It doesn't even matter.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: It's toast. He's yesterday's news.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: 4% or something.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: He's six. He's six. He's surging.
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  Speaker 3: He went up one point yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: Come on. Be respectful.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: Governor Newsom, thank you so much for doing the show
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  Speaker 3: and for setting up the 2025 Coachella lineup. I think
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  Speaker 3: we got it covered.
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  Speaker 5: That's what we're talking about. Yeah. There we go. Right?
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 6: Huh?
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  Speaker 5: I want to commission Metallica and Green Day.
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  Speaker 3: Those are good answers. Get out of here with this
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: PR anxiety shit.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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