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Speaker 1: He still report.
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Speaker 2: Tonight the Abadize government protected a corrupt building union. Now
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Speaker 2: a scandal has blown up in their face, and the
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Speaker 2: workplace ministers and big questions to answer. I'll talk to
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Speaker 2: an insider who tried to stop this. Also tonight. Unbelievable policing,
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Speaker 2: as pro Palestinian protests, as menaced people going to a
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Speaker 2: labor party dinner with the prime minister.
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Speaker 3: How can they take over the streets of Brisbane? I said,
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Speaker 3: it's a political I have an.
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Speaker 2: Appreer all that and a bit of Rupert Murdoch coming up.
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Speaker 2: But first tonight, the big, big story, the attempt at
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Speaker 2: assassination of Donald Trump. Let me start with this, this
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Speaker 2: image of Trump, bloodied but defiant second after being shot,
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Speaker 2: shaking off his Secret Service guards through shout, fight, fight, fight,
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Speaker 2: with the American flag flying hid behind him. That has
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Speaker 2: decided the election. Donald Trump will now win the November
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Speaker 2: election against Joe Biden, and easily. I mean Joe Biden
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Speaker 2: has finished it. May in fact now finally realize it's
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Speaker 2: got to step down for another candidate in the next
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Speaker 2: few weeks. He wouldn't do it in the next week
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Speaker 2: or two, because so that'll seem like he is responsible
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Speaker 2: for this attempted assassination. But gee, this whatever, this has
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Speaker 2: finished Joe Biden as a serious candidate. And it's made
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Speaker 2: the contrasts you see so undeniably, so powerfully strong. You've
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Speaker 2: got strong Trump versus weik Biden. Who would you want
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Speaker 2: running the country. So I think it's over. But it
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Speaker 2: won't even matter if someone does replace Buden, because everything
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Speaker 2: in that image actually speaks of a truth about Trump
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Speaker 2: and a rottenous about the Democrats and their media allies.
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Speaker 2: And I think Trump said in his national address earlier
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Speaker 2: today people were praising it. Always a healer. Nothing's going
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Speaker 2: to make any difference either that. Instead, it showed Bardon
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Speaker 2: and his party as total hypocrites. Barden now pleading for
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Speaker 2: calm after years of smearing Trump as evil, a threat
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Speaker 2: to democracy, even a.
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Speaker 4: Hitler correcul this country has gotten very heated. It's time
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Speaker 4: to cool it down. We all have a responsibility to
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Speaker 4: do that.
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Speaker 2: Now, what Biden should have said is that he himself
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Speaker 2: raised the temperature so dangerously here, and his Democrats and
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Speaker 2: their media mates, they raised the hysteria about Trump's such
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Speaker 2: insane levels. There is almost inevitable that someone some lunatic
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Speaker 2: would think they were saving the nation by shooting Trump
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Speaker 2: at a rally, this time, this case in working class Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 3: Take a look at what happened.
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Speaker 2: Now, that's when Trump showed that he has and look,
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Speaker 2: I'm now going to apologize in advance for the crudeness
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Speaker 2: of my language, but I don't think it can be
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Speaker 2: said better. This is how he'll be understood. That is,
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Speaker 2: when Donald Trump showed he has balls of steel. He
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Speaker 2: shook free of his guards. Never mind that they're trying
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Speaker 2: to rush him to safety. He was not going to
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Speaker 2: run like a coward.
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Speaker 3: Wait wait, wait what.
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Speaker 2: He since said he didn't want to show my people
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Speaker 2: are panic. He did that so the working class people
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Speaker 2: and in that area and everyone else could see that
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Speaker 2: America would not fall. He would not fall. Now. Of course,
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Speaker 2: one scandal that Joe Biden's going to have to deal
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Speaker 2: with mart who aren't given all that's facing right now,
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Speaker 2: is how the shooter got as close as one hundred
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Speaker 2: and twenty or so one hundred and forty meters on
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Speaker 2: a roof overlooking that stage. I mean, a good shot
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Speaker 2: would certainly have taken Trump out. This guy miss bayly
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Speaker 2: millimeters and the worst is that people in that crowd
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Speaker 2: actually spotted that gunman a minute or more earlier and
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Speaker 2: worn police because we have.
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Speaker 3: Dangerously on the world.
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Speaker 2: And check the sniper who was defending Trump. He was
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Speaker 2: looking through his sights and then looking up as if
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Speaker 2: not believing what he was seeing. And that left that
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Speaker 2: killer a few critical seconds to wound Trump and kill
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Speaker 2: a spectator behind him, and wounding others as well before
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Speaker 2: he himself was shot dead. Take a look at what
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Speaker 2: happened him. But the Bardon administration's culpability goes much further
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Speaker 2: than the bungled security. We don't yet know why the shooter,
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Speaker 2: Thomas Matthew Crooks, a twenty year old living an hour away,
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Speaker 2: wanted to kill Trump. He left no social media trail.
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Speaker 2: Those in new him at the school described him as
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Speaker 2: a loner.
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Speaker 3: He was bullied almost every day in what work can
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Speaker 3: you explain?
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Speaker 1: I mean he would sit alone at lunch.
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Speaker 2: I mean he was just a hold cast and you
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Speaker 2: know how kids are nowadays. Now the media has left
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Speaker 2: this desperate even now to dodge any responsibility for stoking
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Speaker 2: hysterical fear of Donald Trump, and then have announced that
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Speaker 2: Crooks was actually a Republican signed up to the party
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Speaker 2: as if he were actually a Trump supporter despite trying
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Speaker 2: to kill Trump. What they could have also said was, sir,
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Speaker 2: Crooks also donated to a pro Democrat campaign on the
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Speaker 2: day that Biden has sworn in his president. His parents'
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Speaker 2: social workers voted left Democrat and progressive. But the point
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Speaker 2: is or libertarian. But the point here is that whatever
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Speaker 2: drove this man to try to kill Trump, it wasn't
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Speaker 2: If it wasn't him, if it wasn't this guy, it
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Speaker 2: could have actually been anyone who truly believed that Trump
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Speaker 2: was the devil, the dictator, the menacing threat that the
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Speaker 2: Democrats have been claiming. So let me show you the
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Speaker 2: hypocrisy of this Biden who was now pleading for calm today, My.
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Speaker 4: Fellow Americans, I want to speak to you to night about
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Speaker 4: the need for us to lower the temperature in our politics.
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Speaker 2: Lower the temperature, he says. Now, this is the same
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Speaker 2: Biden who's been painting Trump as a new Hitler.
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Speaker 4: Trump and the extreme Magga Republicans quoted clear and present
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Speaker 4: danger to our democracy, the same exact language used the
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Speaker 4: Nazi Germany. Trump and his MAGA supporters not only embraced
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Speaker 4: political violence, but they laugh about it.
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Speaker 2: This same Biden. They are calling for a louring of
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Speaker 2: the political temperature. Last week and also just last May Rain,
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Speaker 2: these campaign videos demonizing Trump as a wanna be dictator.
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Speaker 5: This is who Donald Trump is, a lapdog for a
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Speaker 5: dictator who blames America first. The United States must never
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Speaker 5: be like Putin's Russia. We don't empower dictators, we don't
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Speaker 5: undermine freedom. He's already led an insurrection and threatened to
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Speaker 5: be a dictator on day one. Donald Trump can never
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Speaker 5: hold this office again.
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Speaker 2: I'm Joe Biden, and I approve this message. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's just extraordinary, this Joe Biden pleading for let's load
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Speaker 2: with the temperature, let's take the heat out of things.
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Speaker 2: It's his Democrat party, his Democrat politicians who've been preaching
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Speaker 2: or seeming to condone political violence against Trump.
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Speaker 4: I said, if we're in high school, I take you
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Speaker 4: behind the gym and beat the hell out of them.
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Speaker 3: I will go and take Trump out tonight.
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Speaker 2: Running away from Donald Trump, but I think you need
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Speaker 2: to go back and then punch him in a phase.
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Speaker 6: They're still going to have to go out and put
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Speaker 6: a board in Donald Trump, and that.
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Speaker 2: He is destructive to our democracy, and he has to
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Speaker 2: be he has to be eliminated. One of them was
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Speaker 2: a never Trump Republican. Now the mainstream media, the media left,
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Speaker 2: went in even harder. So they're hypocrites too. Then I say,
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Speaker 2: all lower the temperature. The New Republic, for instance, just
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Speaker 2: last month ran this cover American Fascism with Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: with a hit them stash. The Washington Post actually printed this.
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Speaker 2: A Trump dictatorship is increasingly inevitable. And even now, even
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Speaker 2: today after the shooting, the Atlantic magazine is doubling down
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Speaker 2: writing about the gunman and the would be dictator, as
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Speaker 2: if Trump was so evil that it actually invited being shot.
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Speaker 2: It's sick. Now, we don't know the gunman's motives. I'm
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Speaker 2: not making any assumptions, but can anyone be surprised if
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Speaker 2: someone may have decided to remove a man that've been
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Speaker 2: told as a monster, receiver of the hitler. But you know,
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Speaker 2: got to say again, few people in politics have been
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Speaker 2: luckier in their enemies than Trump. His enemies have now
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Speaker 2: made him so much stronger because the public has now
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Speaker 2: seen through so much of this nonsense, the dirty tricks,
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Speaker 2: and he keeps surviving them. You remember how the Democrats
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Speaker 2: co up to the FBI into making Trump seem in
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Speaker 2: collusion with Vladimir Putin the Russians to steal the twenty
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Speaker 2: sixteen election. Totally fake, completely fake news. That just made
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Speaker 2: the deep state look corrupt and the media too. And
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Speaker 2: you remember the media and fifty one former senior intelligence
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Speaker 2: officials falsely insisting the laptop of Baden's son Hunter, a
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Speaker 2: laptop with damning evidence suggesting corruption or at least influenced peddling,
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Speaker 2: was a fake They said Russians information. Again, what a lie.
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Speaker 2: And you see now Democrat pro prosecutors trying to stop
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Speaker 2: Trump from becoming president of game by bending the law
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Speaker 2: to charge him in four separate legal cases hoping he'll
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Speaker 2: get jailed. It's just made the justice system seem crooked,
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Speaker 2: and Trump's support has just grown stronger. And now this
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Speaker 2: attempted assassination, it just completes the story of dirty tricks
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Speaker 2: that makes Trump unbeatable in this election. It's his strength
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Speaker 2: versus Barden's weakness, the contrast with feeble Joe Barden could
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Speaker 2: not be stronger. But there's more. This attack will stop
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Speaker 2: Barden playing as a lunatic dictator Trump card and will
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Speaker 2: wake up more Americans to the real threats of their
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Speaker 2: peace and freedom. It's not the right, It really is
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Speaker 2: the left, which must reflect how it's become the very
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Speaker 2: threat it saw in Trump. Now Donald Trump has given
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Speaker 2: his first interviews as being shot. The bullet clipping his ear.
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Speaker 2: He rang a reporter who was at the rally to
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Speaker 2: see if she was okay. She asked him for an interview.
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Speaker 2: He said, fine, but no photographs of him with a
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Speaker 2: loose bandage over his ear. He wants to project that strength.
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Speaker 2: He said. He was supposed to be dead. It was
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Speaker 2: a miracle he was alive. He talked about what he
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Speaker 2: would now say, the big Republican advenure tomorrow tomorrow morning,
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Speaker 2: our time, when he is at the end of it.
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Speaker 2: Eventually he's going to accept formally accept the Republican nomination
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Speaker 2: for the November election. Well, joining is the man who
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Speaker 2: served as President Don Trump's first spokesman in the White House,
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Speaker 2: Sean Spicer. Sean Spicer, good to see you. Look. I
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Speaker 2: was stunned at first, though, I said, I was stunned
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Speaker 2: about this attempt at assassination, but really thinking through, I'm
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Speaker 2: just amazed that it didn't happen before to be honest.
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Speaker 3: You know you're onto something.
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Speaker 7: Andrew with the rhetoric the way it is on the left,
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Speaker 7: telling people starting with the Trump administration, to gather around them,
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Speaker 7: to get a face, to make things uncomfortable, you knew
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Speaker 7: it was going to happen at some point. We're a
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Speaker 7: country of you know, three hundred million people. At some
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Speaker 7: point somebody takes it to heart. And for the left
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Speaker 7: and the media here in America, who are so quick
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Speaker 7: to judge everybody on the right about what they say
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Speaker 7: and what it might mean, and you know, et cetera,
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Speaker 7: et cetera, it's funny. They never seem to think that
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Speaker 7: their comments, that their rhetoric is going to result in everything.
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Speaker 7: We saw it after Steve Scalise, the senior congressman from
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Speaker 7: Illinois in House leadership, was shot. I was there with
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Speaker 7: President Trump when we went to the hospital that night,
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Speaker 7: and it was a Bernie Sanders supporter that thought he
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Speaker 7: was doing the you know, the bidding of the left.
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Speaker 7: The left didn't take responsibility then, they didn't take care
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Speaker 7: on their rhetoric then, and yet here we are again,
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Speaker 7: another person shot, and what's the reaction from the left.
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Speaker 7: We all need to take the temperature down. Well, let's
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Speaker 7: be blunt. I'm not you know, I've said from the
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Speaker 7: jump that violent it's never has a place. But it's
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Speaker 7: the left that turned the rhetoric up, and now they're
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Speaker 7: the ones that are telling we all need to take
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Speaker 7: it down. And I appreciate all their comments, Andrew, but
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Speaker 7: at the end of the day, the one thing that's
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Speaker 7: lacking in any of this is for all the judgment
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Speaker 7: they have in the other direction, I haven't heard anyone
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Speaker 7: take responsibility for their actions or their words today and
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Speaker 7: saying I'm part of the problem on the left, I.
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Speaker 3: Need to do it. They all say we all need
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Speaker 3: to do it, as if we are all part of
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Speaker 3: the problem. They need to take more responsibility for themselves though.
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Speaker 2: But Sean, I think it's even worse than what you've
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Speaker 2: just said. Maybe I'm just reading different media. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I'm actually seeing some of the Lift guest like Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump saying that in fact, Donald Trump is the blame
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Speaker 2: for the heated rhetoric. And by the way, they add,
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Speaker 2: the shooter was a member of the Republican Party, so
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Speaker 2: it's you know, it's just a Republican infight or something
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Speaker 2: like that. Your response well, let's.
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Speaker 3: Take the two things.
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Speaker 7: Let's talk about the shooter for one second. Do you
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Speaker 7: really think that anyone who is a Republican or supporter
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Speaker 7: of Donald Trump would express their excitement about Trump by
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Speaker 7: trying to kill him and or several of his supporters.
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Speaker 7: I mean, on his face, that doesn't make sense, right,
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Speaker 7: And so we have to just look at this with
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Speaker 7: common sense, which is, if you were going to shoot
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Speaker 7: a supporter and the candidate of one political party, that's
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Speaker 7: not a sign of admiration or excitement or enjoyment.
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Speaker 3: It's quite the opposite.
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Speaker 7: And I think that the reason that you're hearing that
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Speaker 7: from the left in the media is that they don't
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Speaker 7: want to accept common sense. The second thing, to your
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Speaker 7: point is I agree with you wholeheartedly. CNN reporting initially
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Speaker 7: that Donald Trump was taken by the Secret Service after
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Speaker 7: he fell USA Today, The New York Times, the Washington
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Speaker 7: Post all disgusting and to your point about the host
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Speaker 7: Margaret Brennan, the so called host of Meet the Press,
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Speaker 7: Excuse Me, a Face the Nation, talking about how Donald
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Speaker 7: Trump's rhetoric causes Martha Raddits of ABC News this morning
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Speaker 7: talking about it in the same way that it's Trump's rhetoric.
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Speaker 3: Somehow he's to blame for him getting shot.
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Speaker 2: Look, I saw Jake Tapper of CNN even you know,
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Speaker 2: started to little a line of questioning or answers that
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump was reckless to shake off his security guard
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Speaker 2: so that he could expose himself and shake his fists
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Speaker 2: and shout fight, fight, fight, instead of running away, you know,
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Speaker 2: in fear. Listen. In fact, Donald Trump's reaction to be
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Speaker 2: by the way.
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Speaker 3: Can I just comment on that?
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Speaker 2: What does that say to you about the man? And
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Speaker 2: what does it do to his election campaign?
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Speaker 3: It goes to exactly what you just said, Andrew.
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Speaker 7: The reason that they're upset is that he showed strength,
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Speaker 7: He showed perseverance, He showed American grit. You know, last
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Speaker 7: week Biden said over and over again, when I get
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Speaker 7: knocked down, I get back.
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Speaker 3: Up, blah blah blah.
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Speaker 7: Well Donald Trump never got knocked down. He stayed up,
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Speaker 7: and he showed why Americans love a fight. And they
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Speaker 7: here's the problem with your Jake Tapper quote. They initially
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Speaker 7: reported he fell down and was helped up by Secret Service.
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Speaker 3: They are trying to equivocate this.
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Speaker 7: They want to put him on the same plane as
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Speaker 7: Joe Biden, who did fall down, right. I just here's
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Speaker 7: the problem. They are so in the tank for the left,
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Speaker 7: they're trying anything they can do to undermine him. That
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Speaker 7: was a sign of strength, and that picture will go
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Speaker 7: down in history is one of the most iconic American moments.
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Speaker 7: And I think they just hate it that you think
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Speaker 7: about this first second, Andrew and for your audience, in
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Speaker 7: your most vulnerable state, having been your life attacked, and
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Speaker 7: you still don't at that moment know if more bullets
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Speaker 7: are coming, who else has been hit, how bad you
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Speaker 7: yourself have been hit.
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Speaker 3: His immediate reaction is to show strength. I don't know how.
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Speaker 7: Many other people could say that. I would fathom to
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Speaker 7: say many of these media people would be on the
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Speaker 7: ground in a pool of their own Well, I'm not
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Speaker 7: going to go I will just say I don't think
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Speaker 7: a single one of them would be standing.
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Speaker 3: I think they'd be crying and cowering.
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Speaker 7: And look, I'm just saying it was quite contrast to
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Speaker 7: what you saw with President Trump.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think an assassination attempting one way or the
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Speaker 2: other is to bring the candidate down literally, you know,
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Speaker 2: kill him, or at least humiliate him, show him in fear.
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Speaker 2: I think in standing his ground, shaking off the guards
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Speaker 2: and showing his strength, is quite within his rights to
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Speaker 2: not let the shooter have even that victory. And I
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Speaker 2: think the contrasts with Joe Barden, his frailty, et cetera,
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Speaker 2: et cetera, will be devastating to the Democrats. I'll talk
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Speaker 2: about that later in the show a bit. Now, Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump is going to speak of the Republican Party's National
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Speaker 2: convention tomorrow our time. How do you think this shooting
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Speaker 2: is going to play out there to how's he in
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Speaker 2: fact going to play what's happened to him?
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Speaker 7: I think that we are going to truly see Donald
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Speaker 7: Trump come out and used us as an opportunity to
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Speaker 7: really exhibit the strength and contrasted to the weakness that
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Speaker 7: he wanted to this week. This was the theme going
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Speaker 7: into the week, strength versus weakness, and his resolve and
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Speaker 7: his fortitude after this incident occurred, is going to even
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Speaker 7: further exacerbate that message that he wanted to.
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Speaker 2: I think that's absolutely creat But now another matter here, Sean.
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Speaker 2: I've shown video of people at that event pointing out
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Speaker 2: the shooter on the roof, police looking around, looking around.
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Speaker 2: There are reports one got a ladder and got up
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Speaker 2: on the roof, got shot at by the shooter or
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Speaker 2: something like that, or had the gun point at him
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Speaker 2: duck down. You saw also a sniper on the roof
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Speaker 2: near the president having a second look, which are fatal
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Speaker 2: that little pause, perhaps that the roof was even unsecured
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Speaker 2: in the first place, just one hundred and forty odd
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Speaker 2: meters from the president. Why hasn't the director of the
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Speaker 2: Secret Service been fired for these astonishing security lapses?
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Speaker 7: From what I was told in my conversations today Andrew
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Speaker 7: that there's no question that there's a breakdown between the
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Speaker 7: local police in Pennsylvania and the Secret Service, the communication
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Speaker 7: that goes between them, There's no question that that was
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Speaker 7: a breakdown. The question is whose responsibility was that particular area.
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Speaker 7: I am told that there's a, at least initially, a
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Speaker 7: lot of emphasis on the role that the local police
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Speaker 7: was supposed to be playing and whether or not they
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Speaker 7: notified the right people at the right time. I think
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Speaker 7: there we're going to have a lot more explaining that
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Speaker 7: has to be done this week. We've already had Congress
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Speaker 7: talk about hearings that will start tomorrow. But your bigger
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Speaker 7: question not only has him cheat. Oh, the Secret Service
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Speaker 7: director not been fired. I can't believe that she's not
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Speaker 7: out there to give an explanation. And I think there's
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Speaker 7: probably a good reason, because they don't like what they
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Speaker 7: have to say to the American people.
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Speaker 2: I think that's absolutely correct. I think she's hiding to
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Speaker 2: be honest. Sean Spicer, thank you so much, indeed for
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Speaker 2: your time.
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Speaker 3: You bet Andrew.
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Speaker 2: Now Sewn Spicer there, but he thought Donald Trump would
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Speaker 2: say to the Republican National Convention when he gets to
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Speaker 2: speak there. Donald Trump has actually told us in that
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Speaker 2: first interview, he said, I was going to say something
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Speaker 2: really hot and strong. Joe Budden, crooked, all that kind
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Speaker 2: of stuff. Now, I think I'll make it a call
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Speaker 2: to come together unity. I think they'll drive the Democrats mad.
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Speaker 2: He realizes that Joe Barden is broken. Now it just
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Speaker 2: has to sell any remaining doubters that he himself is
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Speaker 2: not going to plunge Americans to this chaos. He is
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Speaker 2: a figure of unity, believe it or not. But that's
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Speaker 2: what he's going to do. Is a different Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: I think a better one after the break. I don't
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Speaker 2: think the political hatred is all in America there's shocking
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Speaker 2: stuff at the weekend from Pope pro Palestinian extremists right here,
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Speaker 2: and labor is paying the We're going to ask again,
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Speaker 2: where are the police. The assassination attempt on Donald Trump
21:09
Speaker 2: has had our own politicians, including the Prime Minister, say
21:11
Speaker 2: we should call it here too, and they're right. Yet
21:14
Speaker 2: we still have our Greens whipping up the pro Palistine
21:17
Speaker 2: protests against Israel, protests that are at times turning anti
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Speaker 2: Semitic with his anti Israel protests yesterday the Great Synagogue
21:25
Speaker 2: in Sydney, a place of Jewish worship. Also in the
21:29
Speaker 2: Sydney protests, this guy wearing the headband of the PFLP,
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Speaker 2: a Marxist Lenis terrorist group, and holding a banner saying
21:35
Speaker 2: political power comes from the barrel of a gun. Long
21:38
Speaker 2: live armed struggle. That's on our own streets. And on
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Speaker 2: Friday police are to escort Labour supporters through abusive pro
21:47
Speaker 2: Palestine protesters blocking a labor function featuring the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: The hatred I tell you for sick do you support Hamas? Yeah?
21:56
Speaker 2: You see what I'm us really sport what happened on
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Speaker 2: October seven?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, there is no God bar love.
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Speaker 3: Do you have anything against that. Nobody likes his sign.
22:16
Speaker 2: Satanism.
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Speaker 3: Elbow is a Satanist.
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Speaker 8: We've got a lot of poison old scientists safety.
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Speaker 2: For legal reasons we able to cut out the blurred
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Speaker 2: their faces, which is a shame. I think they should
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Speaker 2: be shown and shamed. Democracy activist Drough Pavlu, who shot
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Speaker 2: this video called out this Nazi Lake thuker In for
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Speaker 2: that he was worn by police, that he'd be he'd
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Speaker 2: be facing arrest for breaching the peace. And I'm going
22:42
Speaker 2: to say, hello, what piece? John me is the panel?
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Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, former Victorian Liberal president and Michael Costa, former
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Speaker 2: Labor New South Wales Treasurer. Michael Kroger several Labor in
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Speaker 2: peace today singling out these protests, the pro Palacinian ones
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Speaker 2: is signed. The Australia is given the same dangerous hate
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Speaker 2: politics here as in the US. Are they right?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, they're right. I mean the freedom we have
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Speaker 9: to demonstrate in this country is being abused and misused
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Speaker 9: by the extreme left and what we've seen as a
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Speaker 9: litany of these demonstrations in the name of freedom and democracy,
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Speaker 9: these are just incitements to violence against Jews, against Israel,
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Speaker 9: their hate Field, and Andrew, it has now come time
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Speaker 9: in Australia for there to be laws in relation to
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Speaker 9: demonstration because no one knows what the limits of the
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Speaker 9: right to demonstrate are. The left keeps saying we have
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Speaker 9: a right to demonstrate, yes, but you don't have a
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Speaker 9: right to incite hatred against Jewish people. There is a
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Speaker 9: line that needs to be drawn, and state governments, because
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Speaker 9: they have the power now start now have to start
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Speaker 9: putting together laws to show the limits of demonstrations, which
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Speaker 9: starts with no hate speech, no incitement to violence, no
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Speaker 9: incitement to violence against Jewish people. There are three things
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Speaker 9: to start with, and and slowly we can get some
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Speaker 9: conference back in our freedom and at democracy because the
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Speaker 9: police seem to have no idea what they're entitled to
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Speaker 9: police and what they're not entitled police. And we can't
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Speaker 9: let this hatred of Jewish people continue with this country. Andrew,
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Speaker 9: any longer.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'd actually go further, Michael Costs, Drew Pavlou asked
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Speaker 2: the police officer while he was being threatened with a
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Speaker 2: breach of the peace, when you had protesters forcing the
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Speaker 2: labor attendees to this meeting to go through a narrow
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Speaker 2: corridor escort about police whether being yelled at, faces stuck
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Speaker 2: in their face. I mean, how is the right to
24:38
Speaker 2: free speech include intimidation close up like that? Well, it doesn't.
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Speaker 6: But I don't agree that we should be having restrictions
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Speaker 6: on demonstrations. There's already rules about demonstrations. The problem here
24:49
Speaker 6: is a policing problem. You know, HAMAS is a designated
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Speaker 6: terrorist organization. If you've got to sign up there advocating
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Speaker 6: for HAMAS, the police have the authority in the ability
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Speaker 6: to take that down. The problem is police management has
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Speaker 6: decided somehow there's notion of keeping the peace out weighs
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Speaker 6: the other concerns that people have about people supporting terrorism
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Speaker 6: and anti semitism. There's a failure of police management. They've
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Speaker 6: got laws now to deal with it. A permit to protest.
25:21
Speaker 6: There is not a permit to engage in anti semitism
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Speaker 6: and pro terrorist activity, and that exists under the current
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Speaker 6: law Andrew, they're just not enforcing it. It's weakness at
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Speaker 6: the policing level and probably at the political level. When
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Speaker 6: I say the political level, I.
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Speaker 9: Mean, well, Michael, sorry, the laws are working.
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Speaker 6: Well, well, that's policing.
25:43
Speaker 1: That's the problem.
25:44
Speaker 2: Laws.
25:45
Speaker 6: If you don't have somebody to enforced laws. They never
25:47
Speaker 6: work Albow. For example, he's got his own office, parliamentary
25:50
Speaker 6: office paid for by the taxpayer, where he's condoning protesters,
25:56
Speaker 6: stopping people going in and doing parliamentary business that's funded
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Speaker 6: by the taxpayer. Leadership is what's missing here, not laws
26:05
Speaker 6: and the police. I heard on that video they said
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Speaker 6: we didn't have the resources. Well why don't have the resources?
26:11
Speaker 6: And in fact, if you look at that circumstance there
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Speaker 6: with a synagogue, there is no reason that the police
26:17
Speaker 6: couldn't have arrested those people with the existing laws and
26:21
Speaker 6: approves once and for all that this is straight out
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Speaker 6: anti Semitism, has nothing to do with Israel. They could
26:27
Speaker 6: have protested in front of the Israeli embassy. They chose
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Speaker 6: to go down there. That tells you what these people
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Speaker 6: are really about.
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Speaker 2: Michael Krager, I have to say, you know, one regular
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Speaker 2: or favorite of the ABC, favorite of writers' festivals, got
26:43
Speaker 2: a taxpayer funded grant for a film that she was
26:47
Speaker 2: a scriptwriter of, Clementine Ford. She has put on social
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Speaker 2: media or Instagram account. While the Western media obsesses over
26:56
Speaker 2: what is very clearly the most staged assassination attempt in history.
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Speaker 2: Israel did this seriously, Michael, how to range Trump haters
27:06
Speaker 2: in Australia? Did they even someone like Clementine Ford says
27:10
Speaker 2: this is a stage assassination attempt and should she be
27:12
Speaker 2: invited to any more writers' festivals?
27:16
Speaker 5: Oh?
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Speaker 9: That is sick, Andrew, That that is conspiracy theory gone
27:21
Speaker 9: completely mad. I mean Clementine Ford is becoming a sad
27:26
Speaker 9: figure in Australia today. I mean that is bizarre, going
27:29
Speaker 9: to writers' festivals, still being invited to these writers' festivals,
27:32
Speaker 9: getting government grants them. And seriously, if you are that extreme,
27:36
Speaker 9: if you are out of that, out of touch with
27:38
Speaker 9: the mainstream in Australia, then you know, the public don't
27:41
Speaker 9: want to know about you. What a stage it was
27:43
Speaker 9: a staged assassination. Oh, for goodness sake, that is that
27:48
Speaker 9: is that is completely off the charts.
27:51
Speaker 2: Clementine stupid lost the plant. Andrew, it's good, totally totally,
27:58
Speaker 2: Michael Costa. You know people, you know, indulging their anti
28:02
Speaker 2: Americanism saying, well, you know this assassination thing, that's very American,
28:07
Speaker 2: it's the American way for their presidents assassinated. But waied
28:12
Speaker 2: on in Britain in the last eight years, two MP's
28:15
Speaker 2: have been assassinated just in eight years, one by white
28:18
Speaker 2: supremacist the other by n Islam's terrorists. The Green extremists
28:22
Speaker 2: assassinated libertarian politically to pin for tone in Holland, former
28:26
Speaker 2: Japanese prime ministers, so a they was assassinated just two
28:29
Speaker 2: years ago. I could go on, there's a growing danger
28:33
Speaker 2: here and I wonder whether Australians have been too complacent
28:36
Speaker 2: that this is beyond America.
28:39
Speaker 6: Well, it's clearly beyond American. And don't forget the Swedish
28:43
Speaker 6: prime minister I think in the eighties have got assassinated,
28:46
Speaker 6: you know. And that's and that is the area that
28:50
Speaker 6: the left always points to as being the model, and
28:52
Speaker 6: you had that sort of violence there. Look, the problem
28:55
Speaker 6: here is that we can't have a proper discussion about
28:58
Speaker 6: policy anymore. Everything's the next essential threat, you know. And
29:02
Speaker 6: let's be clear that retoric the Democrats had in the
29:04
Speaker 6: US in regards to Trump shouldn't be excused. I mean,
29:08
Speaker 6: basically they're claiming that Trump's election will destroy the democracy
29:13
Speaker 6: that stood for over two hundred years. No wonder, there
29:16
Speaker 6: is tension on the streets and Let's not also forget
29:19
Speaker 6: that it was only two or three years ago where
29:22
Speaker 6: people like Carmarla Harris, we're putting up bail money for protesters,
29:25
Speaker 6: blm protesters in the streets that were causing all sorts
29:29
Speaker 6: of violence, defund the police. I mean, you know, the
29:32
Speaker 6: left has got a lot to blame here. Got nothing
29:35
Speaker 6: to do with the culture of America. This is across
29:37
Speaker 6: the board from the left where they can't win parliamentary elections.
29:41
Speaker 6: It's on the street and it's blocking people's rights. We're
29:44
Speaker 6: seeing it in our own country to protest peacefullyutely and
29:47
Speaker 6: to get on with their business.
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Speaker 2: It's a wider cultural issue that is threatening us all.
29:53
Speaker 2: Michael Krogan, Michael Costa, thank you both for your time.
29:56
Speaker 2: After the break. You know, one of the first things
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Speaker 2: is how to come did when they got elected, scrapped
30:01
Speaker 2: the watchdog dealing with the country's most militant union now
30:05
Speaker 2: amazing corruption allegations as the laby goes, oh what a surprize,
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Speaker 2: who knew while meanwhile counting the union cash. What a scandal.
30:19
Speaker 2: One of the first things the Obniz government did after
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Speaker 2: it won the election was to scrap the ABCC that's
30:25
Speaker 2: Australian Building and Construction Commission that was set up especially
30:28
Speaker 2: to try to make the giant c FMEU union its
30:31
Speaker 2: construction arm obey the law when it was continually breaking it.
30:35
Speaker 2: And the Victorian branch, for instance, is run by John Setka,
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Speaker 2: who acted at times like a thug.
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Speaker 1: Gonna worry of athletes trying to take us to court
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Speaker 1: in Jylus.
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Speaker 2: We'll go to the local footing club, We'll go to
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Speaker 2: the local shopping center.
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Speaker 10: They will not be able to show their faces anywhere.
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Speaker 2: You'll be shamed of who the parents are. Now. The
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Speaker 2: CFMAU gave Labor nearly two million dollars ahead of that
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Speaker 2: federal election and demanded the ABCZB scraped. That's exactly what
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Speaker 2: Workplace Minister Tony Burke did, making out like it had
31:05
Speaker 2: just been a toothless joke.
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Speaker 11: They were blasted for prosecuting union officials for quote, having
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Speaker 11: a cup of tea with a mate.
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Speaker 3: It was a rotten regulator.
31:16
Speaker 2: But look now. A joint investigation by Channel Known Newspapers
31:21
Speaker 2: and sixty Minutes has found evidence that this union helped
31:25
Speaker 2: underworld figures in Barkies become delegates. Delegates on federal and
31:31
Speaker 2: state government funded projects, big ones, especially in Victoria. There's
31:36
Speaker 2: evidence of kickbacks too and more. John Setka has suddenly
31:39
Speaker 2: resigned now federal and Tony Burke is now acting like WHOA,
31:45
Speaker 2: these allegations are totally out of the blue, and he's
31:48
Speaker 2: going to ask some tough questions.
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Speaker 11: The extent of the criminal elements that have been that
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Speaker 11: have been there I find absolutely abhorrent, absolutely appurrent.
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Speaker 12: So you are seriously, minister considering de registering the union
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Speaker 12: if that's within your.
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Speaker 11: Powers, if it's what needs to be done.
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Speaker 12: These stories have been going for years. If you live
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Speaker 12: in Victoria, this is something you just know if you
32:16
Speaker 12: do business. So given that, why didn't you abolish the ABCC,
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Speaker 12: which was the body which was meant to be the
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Speaker 12: tough cop.
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Speaker 11: On the bit completely failed for the simple reason that
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Speaker 11: the whole concept of it was wrong from the beginning,
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Speaker 11: which was about pushing people into their corners.
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Speaker 2: Labours should shrivel in shame. Victorian Premier Jacinta Allen was
32:37
Speaker 2: a charge of Victoria's Big projure for years. Her state
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Speaker 2: labor branch got more than half a million dollars from
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Speaker 2: CFMU in two years. The Victorian branch well she's at
32:46
Speaker 2: least now reported the allegations to police. So that's just
32:49
Speaker 2: a little tick there. But why did it take some
32:52
Speaker 2: journalists to uncover these allegations? Where were the watchdogs? What
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Speaker 2: watch dogs join me is John Lloyd, the man was
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Speaker 2: the first head of that ABCC, THEU Stream Building and
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Speaker 2: Construction Commission and left under the Rudd Labor government. John Lloyd,
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Speaker 2: thank you for your time. Do any of these allegations
33:11
Speaker 2: in general, not specifically in general surprise you and should
33:14
Speaker 2: they surprise Minister Tony Burke and the Victorian Premier.
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Speaker 13: Well, no, Andrew, they don't surprise me. And they've been
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Speaker 13: knowing that this has been happening for years. It's a
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Speaker 13: constant feature of the industry that there's unlawful conduct, harassment, intimidation,
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Speaker 13: breaking of industrial laws. It's just been a feature of
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Speaker 13: the industry. And it's been well known for some time
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Speaker 13: that the Big Build, Victoria's Big Build. The government has
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Speaker 13: lost control over the c OFMU now controls the Big Build.
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Speaker 13: I suppose the one slightly surprising issue to come out
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Speaker 13: was the extent of involvement of organized crime and underworld
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Speaker 13: figures that they've been around in the industry. But the
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Speaker 13: extent of their involvement now is quite quite concerning. It
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Speaker 13: would be a disastrous if that cancer spread and became
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Speaker 13: more ingrained. There's cases in particularly in New York, where
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Speaker 13: the MATH has been in control, sort to control the
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Speaker 13: industry for years and years, and the regulators has spent
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Speaker 13: millions of dollars fighting that. But it's been a disaster
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Speaker 13: over there, and haven't got rid of the mathare from
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Speaker 13: the industry and have that happening here is the utmost concern.
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Speaker 2: But John Lloyd, this is exactly the kind of stuff
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Speaker 2: that you're ABCC when you were in charge of it. It
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Speaker 2: was set up to prevent, it was set up to investigate.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't for reporters to investigate instead. So why do
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Speaker 2: you think it was scrapped by the Albertizi government.
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Speaker 13: Well, I think it was scrapped because, well, I think
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Speaker 13: it was effective. The abc C certainly changed the conduct
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Speaker 13: of the unions. We achieved both in both the emanations
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Speaker 13: of the ABCC, millions of dollars of penalties, penalties which
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Speaker 13: I must say now are going to be one third
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Speaker 13: of what they were under the ABCC, and we changed
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Speaker 13: the conduct. It was very important the culture wasn't changed.
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Speaker 13: We changed the conduct and there was costs involved for
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Speaker 13: the union finding that. So their vehemence that it be
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Speaker 13: removed I think reflects the fact that it was effective
35:42
Speaker 13: and it's trite for the Labor party to claim it
35:44
Speaker 13: was a failure because it did its job. And lately,
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Speaker 13: since the ABCC has been abolished, Fairwork Omwardsman has been
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Speaker 13: taking the cases commenced by the ABCC and in that
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Speaker 13: period there's been three million dollars of fines levy against
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Speaker 13: the CFMU.
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Speaker 2: No wonder they wanted it gone now. The cost of
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Speaker 2: not having a tough cop on the beat, of course,
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Speaker 2: has been people are paying more for buildings, more for
36:17
Speaker 2: rents et cetera, to commercial buildings. With the CFMU is
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Speaker 2: getting involved state government projects, taxpayers are copying in the neck.
36:25
Speaker 2: The only people that clean up it seems to be,
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Speaker 2: apart from the CFMU or some figures in it is Labor.
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Speaker 2: Should Labor stop accepting donations from a union like this
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Speaker 2: with these allegations against.
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Speaker 13: It, well, I think that's certainly worthwhile that they should
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Speaker 13: do that, and not just do that, but perhaps consider
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Speaker 13: handing back some of the donations received in recent elections.
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Speaker 2: You can just.
36:50
Speaker 13: Imagine if a major company a contributed to the Coalition
36:54
Speaker 13: was found to have engaged underworld figures in their business,
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Speaker 13: been achieving results for their business and heaving contractors to them,
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Speaker 13: they'd be hear and cry that the Coalition just associate
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Speaker 13: itself from that company. But here the year after year,
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Speaker 13: this conduct is undertaken and they step up, the Union
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Speaker 13: gives the funds, and the Labor Party happily accepts it.
37:22
Speaker 13: That is just I think, so wrong and tolerable, and
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Speaker 13: it's a good sort of one of the the t
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Speaker 13: issues to do. I think you want to clean the
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Speaker 13: industry up.
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Speaker 2: So true, John Lloyd, I don't know why. It clearly
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Speaker 2: doesn't pass any pub test that I can think of.
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Speaker 2: John Lloyd, thank you so much indeed for your time.
37:44
Speaker 2: You have to say, you know, like I said, it's
37:48
Speaker 2: a no brainer. Labor cannot accept donations from a union
37:52
Speaker 2: with these allegations hanging over and for so long. But
37:56
Speaker 2: Tony Burkey yesterday, the minister who scrapped the watchdog, couldn't
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Speaker 2: even give a straight answer on that yesterday, certainly not
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Speaker 2: a yes.
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Speaker 11: I couldn't care less about the financial why not?
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Speaker 6: Why not stop the donations?
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Speaker 11: Then because I care about like sorry that the donations
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Speaker 11: to be determined by the party office and you know
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Speaker 11: the separation there. Ministers aren't involved in those decisions, nor
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Speaker 11: do I believe we should be.
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Speaker 2: But the money, labor needs the money. I mean seriously,
38:26
Speaker 2: after the break huge ovation, So Catherine Princess of Wales
38:30
Speaker 2: after emerging from her battle with cancer, and how on
38:39
Speaker 2: earth did our army a Russia now charged with handing
38:44
Speaker 2: secrets to Russia? How naive are we? What cam? The
38:52
Speaker 2: Greens are too extreme even for some must of them radicals?
38:56
Speaker 2: Can you believe it? We've warned here about threats of
38:59
Speaker 2: a new Muslim party or at lease of Muslim independence,
39:02
Speaker 2: backed by an influential new political group called the Muslim Vote,
39:07
Speaker 2: and we've said they could win some seats, even especially
39:09
Speaker 2: with a deal to swap preferences with the Greens. And
39:12
Speaker 2: the Greens Adam Bant has done everything to try to
39:16
Speaker 2: win the Muslim vote. It's very anti Israel, false accusation
39:20
Speaker 2: of genocide and the rest except hey, no deal. The
39:24
Speaker 2: Australian reports. For all that crawling, that incitement of ethnic tensions,
39:29
Speaker 2: the Greens are just too radically left for the Muslim vote,
39:33
Speaker 2: whose leaders have told activists and backers that they or
39:35
Speaker 2: parts of the community could not vote for, never mind
39:39
Speaker 2: endorse a Greens candidate because the Green's positions on same
39:42
Speaker 2: sex issues, religious schools, and drug reforms too much deal killer,
39:47
Speaker 2: regardless of the shared Palistine stance. Joining me Daniel Wilde,
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Speaker 2: Deputy Executive Director with the issue of public affairs is
39:53
Speaker 2: Stephen Javura, an author and senior lecturer in history at
39:57
Speaker 2: Campion College. Stephen, how we laugh?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, Well, I mean what the Greens are learning is
40:05
Speaker 10: that mutual hatred of Israel and Zionists is just not
40:09
Speaker 10: a strong enough foundation for a friendship between the Greens
40:12
Speaker 10: Party and Muslims. And fundamentally, the problem with the Greens
40:16
Speaker 10: is just like they're living in a dream world when
40:18
Speaker 10: it comes to renewables, they're living in a dream world
40:21
Speaker 10: when it comes to understanding world religions. See, the Greens
40:24
Speaker 10: think that every religion is all about love and peace
40:28
Speaker 10: and happiness, except Christianity. But what they don't understand is
40:31
Speaker 10: that Islam is a very socially conservative religion and the
40:36
Speaker 10: Greens ideology, with its obsession with LGBT, issues with its inability,
40:42
Speaker 10: their inability to be able to find what a woman
40:44
Speaker 10: is too much of the rest of the world, and
40:47
Speaker 10: certainly to the people who come from the countries who
40:49
Speaker 10: tend to immigrate to Australia, they look like a bunch
40:52
Speaker 10: of crazy weirdos. And so this is a great reality
40:57
Speaker 10: check for the Greens.
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Speaker 2: I wonder, now, Daniel, given that Senator Fatima Payman, who
41:05
Speaker 2: quit the Labor Party a couple of weeks ago over Gaza,
41:09
Speaker 2: had been talking to the Muslim vote and decided to
41:13
Speaker 2: sit as an independent, not join with the Greens. Maybe
41:17
Speaker 2: this is the reason why.
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Speaker 14: Well certainly could be Andrew, and I think it goes
41:22
Speaker 14: to a bigger point, which is that we are in
41:24
Speaker 14: a new dangerous era of Australian politics with these political forces,
41:30
Speaker 14: whether it's the Greens or the Muslim Vote, which are
41:34
Speaker 14: basically sitting outside of the normal bounds of representative liberal democracy.
41:38
Speaker 14: The idea of a sectarian based party, I think goes
41:41
Speaker 14: against everything that our nation is about.
41:44
Speaker 1: You must obviously be.
41:45
Speaker 14: Able to represent all of your constituents, regardless of their
41:48
Speaker 14: religious background. And in terms of the Greens, Andrew Well,
41:52
Speaker 14: this is not your grandmother's Greens Party, this is not
41:54
Speaker 14: the Greens of Bob Brown. This is not the Greens
41:56
Speaker 14: of Saved the Koalas. This is a radical Greens political
42:01
Speaker 14: movement of Stephen has outlined, whether it's on drug decriminalization,
42:04
Speaker 14: climate policy.
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Speaker 1: And so on.
42:06
Speaker 14: So we need political leadership to make sure that these
42:08
Speaker 14: parties don't get a stronger foothold in our national political debate.
42:14
Speaker 2: Another example of vdentity politics going a bit bun. It's
42:18
Speaker 2: an issue that I think a lot of politicians and
42:20
Speaker 2: journists attended to dodge for fear of seeming racists, but
42:24
Speaker 2: it's now in front of us because of this. This couple,
42:26
Speaker 2: Kira and Igor Korolev, they came to Australia decade ago
42:30
Speaker 2: from Russia, became Austraianskra joined the Australian Defense Force, worked
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Speaker 2: in information systems and good heavens. The two have now
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Speaker 2: been arrested for allegedly handing secrets to Russia defense secrets.
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Speaker 2: There are now questions about our vetting process Stephen. But
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Speaker 2: I wonder whether the real issue now is that you know,
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Speaker 2: the ambanies and government got to accept that sometimes blood
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Speaker 2: is thicker than water. You bring in immigrants and this
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Speaker 2: naive idea that they leave old loyalties at the border
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Speaker 2: doesn't work. Particularly, they've going to realize now that they're
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Speaker 2: hiring more foreigners to boost their army numbers exactly.
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Speaker 10: And you know, we like to call ourselves the lucky country,
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Speaker 10: but luck always runs out, and in this instance it
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Speaker 10: ran out.
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Speaker 1: We have this amazing policy.
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Speaker 10: Well where because we are about seven percent short of
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Speaker 10: authorized army strength in terms of personnel, someone had the
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Speaker 10: bright idea of recruiting citizens from other countries into the army.
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Speaker 1: Here's a better idea. There is a real meaning void
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Speaker 1: among young men all around the West. How about a
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Speaker 1: serious recruitment drive to Australian men and women. But I
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Speaker 1: think in particularly men. Send your best into the schools,
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Speaker 1: into the workplaces, and stress to them the things that
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Speaker 1: they are just not finding in society and in their
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Speaker 1: lives anymore. Stress, service, stress, duty, stress, responsibility, stress, virtue, gratitude,
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Speaker 1: a career, and remind them that this is a fantastic
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Speaker 1: country that's worth fighting for. Do that before you start
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Speaker 1: getting citizens whose allegiances are to other countries. What country
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Speaker 1: does this?
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Speaker 2: Well? I load that proselytizing. But Daniel Wild, isn't the
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Speaker 2: issue even more basic? I mean I'm thinking, for instance,
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Speaker 2: the challenges ahead of us. You know, more Muslims, Muslim
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Speaker 2: Australians join the Islamic State and served in the Australian
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Speaker 2: Army that was finding them for a start, right, But
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Speaker 2: shouldn't we be doing things like having governments invest more
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Speaker 2: in symbols of our national pride where there it's a history,
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Speaker 2: our flag, a national anthem Australia and all those things,
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Speaker 2: because who will you know? You need to find things
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Speaker 2: that make people loyal to this.
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Speaker 14: Country, absolutely, and you need to find things that will
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Speaker 14: unite us as a nation. And it's pretty clear Andrew
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Speaker 14: from this discussion and the previous one, that multiculturalism has
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Speaker 14: failed in Australia if it ever did work.
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Speaker 1: We are a proud.
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Speaker 14: Multi ethnic, multi religious society, but multiculturalism has had a
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Speaker 14: corrosive effect on our shared values. Just look at the
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Speaker 14: Voice to Parliament that didn't help in terms of uniting Australians.
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Speaker 1: I think the vast majority of migrants want to do
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Speaker 1: the right thing.
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Speaker 14: They're attracted to our values and many of them will
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Speaker 14: defend our country. But sadly there is a minority, but
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Speaker 14: a growing minority, and it has to be set off
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Speaker 14: in an intransigent minority that do not appear to be
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Speaker 14: educated or have any knowledge of our values, or much
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Speaker 14: less any interest of them, and in all likelihood would
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Speaker 14: not be willing to defend Australia should that need a rise.
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Speaker 14: We undertook a survey a little while ago Andrew which
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Speaker 14: asked if Australia were in the same position as the
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Speaker 14: Ukraine is now, would you stay in fight or would
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Speaker 14: you flee the country? Fewer than one third of young
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Speaker 14: Australians said that they would stay and fight to defend
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Speaker 14: Australia should the need arise, which goes to your point
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Speaker 14: about our education system and the fracturing of our society,
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Speaker 14: not to mention the woke generals and the identity politics
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Speaker 14: box ticking rather than recruiting the best and toughest for
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Speaker 14: our military.
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Speaker 2: I think this is particularly important now that we have
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Speaker 2: one point two million Australians of Chinese descent. You've actually
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Speaker 2: got a Chinese department, that is that whose job is
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Speaker 2: to try to stress their loyalty to China rather than
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Speaker 2: to Australia. I'm sure most of the resistance to that,
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Speaker 2: but still just very quickly. Catherine, Princess of Wales been
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Speaker 2: out of the public eye talking about symbols of unity
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Speaker 2: finding cancer. She came back yesterday to watch the women's
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Speaker 2: Wimbledon final, got this reception which I think sister and
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Speaker 2: or Mega Markel Well absolutely hate Sasi Wales. Well, she
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Speaker 2: sure won that battle. And now the King and Queen
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Speaker 2: have announced that I'll visit Australia in October. So Stephen,
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Speaker 2: I've only got ten seconds, very quick from you. Predictions
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Speaker 2: of the MARDs of the Royals after the death of
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Speaker 2: the Queen seem exactly wrong.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, the Republican movement in Australia was just a cringe
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Speaker 10: group of people who never got over Whitlam's dismissal. Never
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Speaker 10: got over mensies. We're in a social media sealthy age
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Speaker 10: and in this age, the Royals now are a beacon
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Speaker 10: of class and grace.
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Speaker 2: People love them. Stephen Trevera, Daniel Wilde, thank you so
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Speaker 2: much to you both. Now, one last thing, straight after
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Speaker 2: the show, we're going to show a rare interview with
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Speaker 2: Rupert Murdock, is now Chairman emeritus of the Murdoch media empire,
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Speaker 2: including Sky News. Usually hates being interviewed, did this with
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Speaker 2: the Sky News boss Paul will Mark the sixtieth birthday
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Speaker 2: Australian newspaper. The bit I like best was this, But
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Speaker 2: I'm going to disagree with my boss of decades because
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Speaker 2: in the Murdoch media we do welcome debate.
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Speaker 8: No, I think we're absolutely on the wrong. I'm not
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Speaker 8: a climate denier. I maybe a skeptic of some of
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Speaker 8: the things that I said. But you're gonna have black house,
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Speaker 8: you're gonna have the cost of living.
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Speaker 2: Will go up all over the world.
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Speaker 8: But there are things that do abolish coal and have
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Speaker 8: natural gas, which is cheap and clean. In Australia, we're
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Speaker 8: throwing away the gas. I just think, you know, we're
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Speaker 8: damaging ourselves competitively.
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Speaker 2: And foolishly. He's right, we face a test feet but
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Speaker 2: I don't think we can afford to get rid of
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Speaker 2: coal for years. But here now is the demand. Is
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Speaker 2: the interview with Repair