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From the Vault - Grainne Mhaoil the Irish Pirate Queen · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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Speaker 1: Hello, delicious friends, and welcome to Who Did What Now?
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Speaker 1: The history podcast It's not your History class with me
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Speaker 1: your host, Katie Charlewood, history Harlotte and reader of books.
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Speaker 1: And welcome to another from the Vault episode going all
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Speaker 1: the way back to my favorite, my favorite pirate in
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Speaker 1: all of history, Grania Wheel, the Irish pirate queen. Now,
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Speaker 1: when I first recorded this episode, this specific one, it
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Speaker 1: was in retaliation to another podcast that asked me to
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Speaker 1: do the intro to their Grania O'Malley episode, except they
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Speaker 1: kept calling her Grace, which, if you don't know, is
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Speaker 1: not her name. Was never her name, and it's it's
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Speaker 1: not her name, it's not the anglicized version, it's nothing.
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Speaker 1: It's what some did several hundred years after her death,
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Speaker 1: decided was a better name for her. So no, no,
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Speaker 1: it's a colonial like washing of Irish history. So Gronia Gronia.
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Speaker 1: If you can say Yohn, you can say Gronia, you
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Speaker 1: can say Grania.
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Speaker 2: Both are acceptable.
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Speaker 1: We don't care. So as long as you try, I
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Speaker 1: think is the sort of way of it, if you
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Speaker 1: give it a good goal. And the original intro to
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Speaker 1: this episode was nearly twelve minutes long and It was
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Speaker 1: me ranting about colonialism and the theft of names and
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Speaker 1: culture and identity and putting it through a colonial lens
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Speaker 1: to make it more palatable for her colonial masses, and
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Speaker 1: the ignorance that comes along with that, and the wilful
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Speaker 1: ignorance that comes along with that. So it was a
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Speaker 1: very long rant and I decided to cut most of
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Speaker 1: that from this. Now this is a from the whole episode,
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Speaker 1: so it is a bit older. It's when my you know,
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Speaker 1: equipment wasn't as good, so you're going to hear a
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Speaker 1: lot of right, You're going to hear audible noises of
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Speaker 1: breath and things, So sorry about that. I have improved
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Speaker 1: over the years, but this this was a while ago.
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Speaker 1: And we're talking a whole month of pirates piracy, the
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Speaker 1: whole shabang, because I want to talk about something interesting
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Speaker 1: and fun this month, because I can do what I
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Speaker 1: want to because my own damn podcast. And this episode
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Speaker 1: was going to come later in the month, but I'm
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Speaker 1: behind on recording because I had a very, very sick
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Speaker 1: body this week who was very unhappy when I kept
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Speaker 1: telling him the old roads lead to dysentery. So he
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Speaker 1: was not well and he was like don't make me worse.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, so I had a very unwell child and
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Speaker 1: I had to go on film mum jury and deal
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Speaker 1: with that. So AnyWho, without further ado, I'm gonna put
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Speaker 1: your griverage ever in fact, you enjoy grow on your
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Speaker 1: wheel the Irish Pirate Queen from the Vault.
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Speaker 2: I mean, what is the point of having a history
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Speaker 2: podcast if you're just gonna shove two fingers up at
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Speaker 2: a historical fact. End of the day. History should be
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Speaker 2: provided by those who want to tell the truth, not
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Speaker 2: just the colonized version of it. So if you're Irish
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Speaker 2: or Irish American, or Irish Canadian or Irish Mexican, I
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Speaker 2: don't know, Australian, whatever, or maybe you just care about
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Speaker 2: cultural identity, Maybe you just care about culture, maybe you
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Speaker 2: just hate colonialism. Right, I am genuinely imploring you to
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Speaker 2: support this episode. I don't have any other way to
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Speaker 2: say it that I think she deserves her fucking name.
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Speaker 2: I swore, I'm sorry, but I'm just means so much
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Speaker 2: to me, Like, if you were listening to this, if
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Speaker 2: you're my follower, if you're a fan, if you care
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Speaker 2: about women or women's history or anything of it, share
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Speaker 2: like comment rate and review five stars. Just go hell
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Speaker 2: for leather for me, because I want to prove to
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Speaker 2: these people. I want to prove to everybody who feels
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Speaker 2: like she doesn't deserve her name because something else is
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Speaker 2: easier for them. I want to show them that her
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Speaker 2: having her name mattters like she deserves it. It's her name.
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Speaker 2: And I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, quite your
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Speaker 2: gibber jabber in fact me, In fact you I will.
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Speaker 2: But first we've got to get our source on. Our
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Speaker 2: sources are Gronia O'Malley, The Irish Pirate Queen by Anne Chamberts,
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Speaker 2: Gronia Wheel The Pirate Queen by Patrick Flanney, You Will
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Speaker 2: The Pirate Queen by John and Fatty Burke on Grown
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Speaker 2: Your Whale, The Irish Pirate Queen Byhood Wordnip podcast. Obviously,
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Speaker 2: we have history dot com, Biography dot com, all of
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Speaker 2: the good ones. And now, after the longest intro I
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Speaker 2: think I have ever recorded, I use it uncomfortably good.
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Speaker 2: Then let's begin. Our story starts in Ireland, which has
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Speaker 2: been consistently raided and attacked and pillaged. Not entirely show,
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Speaker 2: but pillage is something to do with Hay yes, I
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Speaker 2: did take that joke from a Tommy Tyrne and a
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Speaker 2: show like twenty years ago. Cheers. Tommy loved doing dairy Girls.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, back in the day in the fifteen hundreds,
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Speaker 2: you know, England had kind of a rule over Ireland
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Speaker 2: kind of so like the Normans came out and they
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Speaker 2: were like the thirteenth century, and then think about the
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Speaker 2: Normans is like the Vikings and the Normans and like
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Speaker 2: a bunch of like the people who settled, you know,
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Speaker 2: they just kind of fell into bren Law. Breton Law
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Speaker 2: is like one of the oldest like law systems I
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Speaker 2: think in Europe. I'm not entirely sure. It's a little
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Speaker 2: before my knowledge base. And bren Law had like a
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Speaker 2: wonderful things because like it's this whole concept of how
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Speaker 2: people think Ireland is very homogeneous, but it's not. It's
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Speaker 2: always been very like like it welcomed foreigners. And I
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Speaker 2: think the anarchist Leak did it pretty well when he
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Speaker 2: was saying that there was basically three rules. Either you
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Speaker 2: come in and you accept the laws and the rules
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Speaker 2: of of bren Law in Irish culture and whatnot, and
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Speaker 2: that's good, or you don't accept it and you leave
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Speaker 2: or you don't accept it and stay and then we fight.
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Speaker 2: You know, that's basically it. And the Norse Gales and
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Speaker 2: the Normans and all that they would start intermarrying with,
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Speaker 2: you know, families of Gaelic chieftains, like they would inter
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Speaker 2: mary because you know, you catch more flies, will honey
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Speaker 2: them of vinegar, and a lot of the time they
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Speaker 2: would just adopt culture in the way things worked because
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Speaker 2: it was easier, you know, once they had settled, which
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Speaker 2: is kind of funny when you think about it, because
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Speaker 2: the right that like Norse women had and the rights
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Speaker 2: that Irish women had under Bretain law very similar, like
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Speaker 2: they had, Like life was pretty good for them, you
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Speaker 2: know what I mean, compared to like other places in Europe.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, so there's raids and invasions and stuff, and
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Speaker 2: then England basically has control around the pale by the
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Speaker 2: time Henry the eighth is crowned King of Ireland because
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Speaker 2: of course he is, of course he is, because he
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Speaker 2: has to grab another territory, especially when he loses Cali
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Speaker 2: to the French king, because he's constantly in a dick
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Speaker 2: measuring contest with them. But that's neither here nor there,
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Speaker 2: So When Edward takes the throne, right, he doesn't really
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Speaker 2: do much, not really. But when Mary the First is
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Speaker 2: crowned Queen of England, she decides she's going to like
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Speaker 2: take over, She's going to do the plantations in Ireland,
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Speaker 2: and so she sends people out to well, King's County
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Speaker 2: and Queen's County, which is awfully in leash, leash and
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Speaker 2: awfully but yeah, and they take over like existing forts
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Speaker 2: that the Normans had built, like free yonks ago and
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Speaker 2: they do that. And I think I covered this in
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Speaker 2: the Queen Mary the First podcast episode. They're like, because
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Speaker 2: they weren't allowed to like hire Irish people or like
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Speaker 2: fraternize with them, and because they had to basically protect themselves,
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Speaker 2: they didn't really gain anything because they were constantly being
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Speaker 2: raided by clans and whatnot. So they were just they
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Speaker 2: were it just failed miserably. By the time alone Elizabeth
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Speaker 2: gets on the throne, she just starts planting them all
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Speaker 2: through cornorch She's like, I'm putting them in there, yes,
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Speaker 2: absolutely fantastic. Yeah, And when James takes it's just a
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Speaker 2: plantation of ulster. It's it just gets worse the further
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Speaker 2: you go, you know, but yeah, row back Henry eighth.
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Speaker 2: He's still married to Catherine of Aragon, but he is
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Speaker 2: chasing amberleyn It's about fifteen thirty, esh, because it's a
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Speaker 2: woman from history. Why would we have a date of birth,
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Speaker 2: why would we have anything? Exact course we don't. We
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Speaker 2: don't knit. No, So yeah, about fifteen thirty, Kronia O'Malley
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Speaker 2: is born, and she is born into the infamous O'Malley clan.
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Speaker 2: Now they are a sea fearing clan. I bloody love pirates.
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Speaker 2: I do. I love pirates, I love buccaneers and private
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Speaker 2: heals and everything in between. I love them. And so
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Speaker 2: the O'Malleys are this seafaring clan on the west coast
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Speaker 2: of Ireland, and they rule over the baronies of Morusk
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Speaker 2: and Burristook and all the land around Kloe Bay like
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Speaker 2: although Mayo, they're in Mayo and these lands they're basically
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Speaker 2: known as you know, like part of the Kingdom of Ireland.
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Speaker 2: So they don't accept English rule. They don't accept that
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Speaker 2: Henry King of England, Lord of Ireland. Eh no, you'll not,
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Speaker 2: no thanks, They just don't accept that. And this is
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Speaker 2: an Anglo Norman area, which is another story for another day,
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Speaker 2: but it was completely galicized by the time Grona comes along,
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Speaker 2: so by the time she's it is Irish speaking, it
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Speaker 2: is Irish cultured, it is Irish like that's it. Gronia's dad,
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Speaker 2: Owen Dudara O'Malley, he was like the head of the klan,
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Speaker 2: the dynasty. Oh that shebang and Gronia. She ends up
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Speaker 2: being the only child between Owen and his wife MeV.
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Speaker 2: She does have a half brother, Dono. But if there
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Speaker 2: was such a thing of like the air the next
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Speaker 2: in line, it was her. So like in Ireland, titles
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Speaker 2: and being in charge, being the rule, or being the
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Speaker 2: head right, being the chief whatever, it wasn't really a
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Speaker 2: hereditary thing. You didn't just like get it given to you,
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Speaker 2: Like you weren't born with a title. You didn't just
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Speaker 2: gain it, you know. Oh you could have been with
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Speaker 2: the title, but you wouldn't automatically be the next ruler
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Speaker 2: because it didn't work like that like rulers chieftains. They
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Speaker 2: would be voted in, so it was more of a
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Speaker 2: best man for the job sort of thing, as opposed
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Speaker 2: to Fieldy being sworn to the testicles a lot of
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Speaker 2: the time. That's how her reditary ruling works. You're basically
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Speaker 2: just swearing allegiance to sperm. So like in Ireland, you
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Speaker 2: wouldn't automatically become chief if your dad was chief, you
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Speaker 2: know what I mean, You'd still own what you owned,
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Speaker 2: you'd still have all your shit, but you wouldn't be
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Speaker 2: the big boss. Yeah. The O'Malleys are a sea faring clan,
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Speaker 2: and they have all these castles like dotted along the shoreline.
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Speaker 2: And they would also, like very cleverly, really smart, they
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Speaker 2: would tax fishermen as well, so they'd have this very
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Speaker 2: good defensive area. And then they would also tax people
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Speaker 2: to like fish in their lovely fairytail waters. It's bloody genius.
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Speaker 2: So like, they also in addition, furthermore offered safe passage
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Speaker 2: through those dangerous waters all around the bay, you know.
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Speaker 2: So like they were constantly finding ways to make money,
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Speaker 2: and they would trade goods you know, abroad. Like they
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Speaker 2: were very into trade as well. It wasn't just you know,
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Speaker 2: steel shit from people, many fingers, many pies and so like,
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Speaker 2: they traded goods as far as spin. And of course
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Speaker 2: I mean they did steal some stuff, right, There was
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Speaker 2: a bit of piracy obviously. And yeah, when ships would
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Speaker 2: be headed into go Away, they'd rate them because they could.
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Speaker 2: Now they were so good at this, they became infamous,
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Speaker 2: and as such, the Omali clan is basically banned from
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Speaker 2: go Away, and which then is like an a robberous
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Speaker 2: it's a snake eat in its own tail. It kind
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Speaker 2: of leads into itself. So because you know they're banned
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Speaker 2: from go Away, they're like, right, okay, we're gonna just
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Speaker 2: attack all the ships going into go Away and a
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Speaker 2: pill for all their stuff, pil for and pillage. Let's
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Speaker 2: take it. It's fine, no worries. So they had all that,
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Speaker 2: all of that income, but you know it's not steady.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes you don't know if there's gonna be people traveling
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Speaker 2: with trade goods, you know, and money and other stuff
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Speaker 2: and so on the back burner. They also had farmland
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Speaker 2: which they used because obviously they needed like will for
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Speaker 2: cloth and meat. I don't not will for meat, but
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Speaker 2: like sheep, they probably eat them, I would assume. I
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Speaker 2: feel like they would like maybe would be useful. They
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Speaker 2: want to make sure utilizing all the animal right, So
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Speaker 2: they did a farm land. They did of all this
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Speaker 2: other stuff. But they were really into like seafaring, like
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Speaker 2: they liked the sea, So growing up, Gronia would have
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Speaker 2: sort of known this. She would have gone out in
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Speaker 2: the ship with her dad and she would have been involved, right,
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Speaker 2: And growing up she probably would have spent a lot
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Speaker 2: of time at Clear Island in Cloebey. But there is
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Speaker 2: always the possibility. It's quite likely that she would just
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Speaker 2: foster out at some point to another family. And it
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Speaker 2: was like really common at the time because it was,
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Speaker 2: you know, for it was twofold, right, So first things first,
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Speaker 2: you would be protecting your airs because they were a
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Speaker 2: way and they're being taken care of, especially if you're
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Speaker 2: out like raiding and pirrating and whatnot. And the second
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Speaker 2: thing is it was a really good way to create
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Speaker 2: and or maintain a political alliance, which, as I'm sure
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Speaker 2: you know, is the way a lot of moneges happened
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Speaker 2: the way back in the day, especially with people of power,
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Speaker 2: you know. And when Gronia she's a kid, or so
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Speaker 2: the legend goes, she says she asks her dad if
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Speaker 2: she can go out sailing, if she can join him,
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Speaker 2: and he says to her, like, mm no, you can't
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Speaker 2: like your long lovely hair. You know, those locks, they're
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Speaker 2: gonna get caught in the ship's ropes. Now here's the thing.
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Speaker 2: Kids in general, they are unintentionally cunning, and kid logic
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Speaker 2: is it is a power to behold, really and a
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Speaker 2: lot of the time for them, it is very much
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Speaker 2: what is the quickest and simplest solution to this problem?
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Speaker 2: What is the issue? How do I resolve it? And
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Speaker 2: to a child to Gronia problem, heir too long? Solution?
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Speaker 2: Make hair short, because that's the typical kids solution. Isn't
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Speaker 2: it hair too long? Make your short? Mm hmm. And
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Speaker 2: like I can just imagine growing you're like lobbing your
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Speaker 2: hair off in like the Milan cartoon style, just like
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Speaker 2: whoa like off? I mean, you know, I'd like to
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Speaker 2: think it was like a smooth thing, but it could
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Speaker 2: have been like put it down, chopped with an axe
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Speaker 2: or sawing through it with like the first knife. She finds,
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Speaker 2: like did they have scissors in the fifteen hundreds? Like
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to look that up because I'm suddenly
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Speaker 2: confused by myself. No, you know what, shears existed from
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Speaker 2: like the year like three or four thousand CE, so
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Speaker 2: you know what, she probably just cut them with like
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Speaker 2: yee old sizzles or like so I mean maybe she
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Speaker 2: did sot away with like an old knife, you maybe,
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Speaker 2: but yeah, this is basically where her nickname comes from,
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Speaker 2: Gronia Wheel, which basically means bald Gronia because wheel means
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Speaker 2: bald all right, Gronia whale, bald Gronia because she chopped
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Speaker 2: off a massive trunk of her hair because she was like,
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Speaker 2: I'm going on that bloody ship, Like I'm getting there,
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, because she wanted to get
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Speaker 2: on that damn ship. Who she does this to get
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Speaker 2: on the ship. And I can only imagine the dad
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Speaker 2: just being like, oh, for sake, like how did I
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Speaker 2: get myself in this mess? Like yeah, don't mess a
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Speaker 2: kid logic. They will come for you. Like you ever
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Speaker 2: tell a kid you're gonna go do something, they will
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Speaker 2: always remember always. So as Gronia gets older, anyway, she
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Speaker 2: starts learning the ropes. She's learning the ropes because she's
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Speaker 2: hoisting the sails and the shit nevers. So yeah, she
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Speaker 2: learns everything. She's on the ship. She's learning to sail,
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Speaker 2: she's learning to lead. But because obviously she's own O'Malley's daughter, right,
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Speaker 2: she needs to be protected, Like that's the whole thing.
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Speaker 2: So she basically gets trained, it gets you know, conditioned
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Speaker 2: into her, or they try to. They're like, you know,
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Speaker 2: if anything happens, if the shit hits the fan, you
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Speaker 2: get below deck and you hide. Like that is her mission,
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Speaker 2: that's her job. Things go bad, you hide, right, you
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Speaker 2: get the heck at a dodge. Unfortunately, Gronia wasn't really
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Speaker 2: feeling this safety procedure. You know, she didn't really want
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Speaker 2: to have her trade table up in her seat in
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Speaker 2: the full, the upright position. She just wasn't having it.
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Speaker 2: Because she's out sailing with the family one day with
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Speaker 2: her dad anyway, and there's this attack right and the
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Speaker 2: way below gets blocked, so Gronia can't actually do the
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Speaker 2: thing she's supposed to do. And she sees someone like
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Speaker 2: just about to get her dad, and she's like, nah,
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Speaker 2: fuck this for a game of soldiers, and so she
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Speaker 2: jumps on him with a knife she has somehow acquired.
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Speaker 2: I don't judge. Why children have knives on pirate ships,
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Speaker 2: I don't judge. And so she jumps on this dude
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Speaker 2: who's about to kill her dad, and she just like
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Speaker 2: stablish dabstab and saves her dad from certain death. Really
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Speaker 2: because he was he was going to be a goner
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Speaker 2: if this had goten, Like nah, we Gronya going oh
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Speaker 2: well Scarlett on him. Stab. See, Gronia didn't just have
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Speaker 2: like the seafaring education she had in actual education. She
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Speaker 2: was really well educated for the time actually, so she
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Speaker 2: had all of like the social and ruling knowledge, you know,
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Speaker 2: she had her place in society, and it's generally agreed
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Speaker 2: upon that because of the nature of her way of
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Speaker 2: life and international trade and the like, that she would
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Speaker 2: have learned a bunch of languages, right, So she spoke Scots, Spanish, Irish, Latin.
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Speaker 2: And here's the thing. Now, I like to think that
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Speaker 2: Grona could speak English, she just chose not to out
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Speaker 2: of pettiness in spite, because the woman had an ear
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Speaker 2: for languages and she spoke a good few of them,
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Speaker 2: so it would be surprising that she couldn't speak English.
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Speaker 2: Although English is like for languages in a trench coat,
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Speaker 2: So maybe she couldn't, or maybe she just deliberately chose
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Speaker 2: not to learn it again out of spite. And like,
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Speaker 2: so she's well educated, she's you know, learned the ways
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Speaker 2: of the world, she's learned the ways of societe. But
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Speaker 2: like somewhere during her childhood. I think she's like eight
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Speaker 2: or ten or something, like her mom dies, right, and
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Speaker 2: that's one of the reason why she ends up spending
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Speaker 2: so much time with her dad, just because yeah, what
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Speaker 2: else is he gonna do? And he very much trains
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Speaker 2: her to be a ruler, you know, like he gives
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Speaker 2: her all the opportunities. This is I kind of feel
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Speaker 2: like going nipple baby, nipple baby. But yeah, like he
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Speaker 2: trains her more than he trains his like other son,
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Speaker 2: don't know, you know what I mean. And when Grona
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Speaker 2: hits sixteen, like again, political alliances, it's a whole thing.
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Speaker 2: In fifteen forty six she marries don't know o Hogio Flarerty.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, this is this absolutely astounding political match. He
23:05
Speaker 2: was like the Tanisha to the oflerte Klan. So the
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Speaker 2: Tanishcha is like second in line, so he's like the
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Speaker 2: right hand man, you know what I mean. Like, so
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Speaker 2: between the two of them and all the stuff they've
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Speaker 2: got going on, they have ridiculous power. And if they're
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Speaker 2: consolidating it, like this is massive, massive power in the
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Speaker 2: hands of these two people. And like for him to
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Speaker 2: marry Grona, there's a dowry. That and the thing about
23:48
Speaker 2: marriages under Brehon law in Ireland was that you know
23:56
Speaker 2: everything that the woman has, the dowry and everything else
24:00
Speaker 2: that she has entering the marriage, everything she owns. Right,
24:05
Speaker 2: when she leaves that marriage, she takes everything back with her.
24:10
Speaker 2: So she has like land and animals and like a
24:14
Speaker 2: bunch of ships. So she has all of this when
24:19
Speaker 2: she enters this marriage at sixteen. Right, she enters her
24:24
Speaker 2: marriage with her own wealth. She's independently wealthy under brain law.
24:31
Speaker 2: But also she's able to gain more wealth and property.
24:37
Speaker 2: Like she's allowed to become wealthier. She is allowed to
24:41
Speaker 2: own things and to gain more money and you know stuff.
24:47
Speaker 2: But like everything she owns is still hers, like it
24:52
Speaker 2: doesn't automatically become his. So if the marriage dissolves, if
24:57
Speaker 2: she leaves the marriage, and she can take it with her. Now,
25:05
Speaker 2: as it turns out, don't know, he was neither a
25:09
Speaker 2: great husband nor a great leader. I mean, like he
25:15
Speaker 2: kind of sucked, to be honest. He has a really
25:20
Speaker 2: quick temper. It's also really bad. It's foul is the
25:26
Speaker 2: word used most often actually, And he was the man
25:32
Speaker 2: you know how I said about Henry the Eighth and
25:34
Speaker 2: the King of France. Like this dude has the same energy,
25:38
Speaker 2: Like he was constantly like getting into skirmishes with neighboring clans.
25:43
Speaker 2: He would just constantly go out and just fight for
25:47
Speaker 2: the bloody's sake of it. Right, And they're married for
25:51
Speaker 2: what eighteen years, and they end up having like three
25:56
Speaker 2: kids together, so they have Owen may In Markey In
26:03
Speaker 2: Markey is actually Marca Marca Marca. Remember how I said
26:11
Speaker 2: I say words wrong. I have a feeling I've said
26:16
Speaker 2: Marca's name wrong, Like I tried to google it, and
26:22
Speaker 2: I tried to ask my friends and none of them
26:24
Speaker 2: more answered me. The worst thing is have I probably
26:28
Speaker 2: said it correctly in another one like that? So that
26:31
Speaker 2: would be very embarrasing. So Marca, he is born on
26:37
Speaker 2: a ship and yeah, yeah, Marca Marca. One of them
26:48
Speaker 2: go back to me, Marca, Okay, great. So Marca is
26:53
Speaker 2: born on a ship. And over this course of this marriage,
26:56
Speaker 2: like she is, she's doing her bet, she is airing
26:59
Speaker 2: my she's sailing, she's trading. And Marca gets he's born
27:04
Speaker 2: in a ship, right, and a few days after giving birth,
27:09
Speaker 2: the ship is attacked and again because she just can't
27:13
Speaker 2: help herself, instead of hiding like she grabs, she grabs
27:17
Speaker 2: her stuff and she just joins the fight and she
27:20
Speaker 2: wins because of course she does. So Yeah, they're married
27:24
Speaker 2: eighteen years and during this time she is doing her bit.
27:26
Speaker 2: She is, I mean, she is like the better leader
27:30
Speaker 2: out the two and by fifteen sixty four, like lower
27:35
Speaker 2: ranking sort of members of the Flowerty clan, they want
27:39
Speaker 2: to expand, right, and so they're like they want to
27:46
Speaker 2: make it better, they want larger territory, and the Crown,
27:55
Speaker 2: the Crown wants to support this cause, you know, because
28:00
Speaker 2: it's beneficial to them, because it works, you know what
28:03
Speaker 2: I mean. And good Queen Bess, she has ascended the throne.
28:10
Speaker 2: We've had a couple of monarchs since grown has been born,
28:14
Speaker 2: and she had us sights set on Ireland. But she
28:19
Speaker 2: wanted to get rid of some of these warring clans
28:21
Speaker 2: and she wanted people who were, you know, subservient, who
28:26
Speaker 2: would bend the knee, so this clan they won't expand.
28:33
Speaker 2: And yeah, before h don't know, the you know, aforementioned
28:42
Speaker 2: hot tempered man had a chance to respond or retaliate.
28:49
Speaker 2: He was unfortunately slain by the Joyces and Gronia well
28:56
Speaker 2: her husband's just been modeled. That's not nice, you know
28:59
Speaker 2: who time to cry over dead husbands. And again Gronia
29:06
Speaker 2: gets to leave the marriage with everything she entered and
29:11
Speaker 2: everything she gained. So she grabs her gear, her wealth,
29:16
Speaker 2: her livestock, and her three ships. That being said, she
29:22
Speaker 2: also brings along two hundred fighting men. Now she vacates
29:28
Speaker 2: Bono when castle and goes back to Kloebey. But like,
29:32
Speaker 2: let still this into consideration, a wee bit right, she
29:36
Speaker 2: gained the respect and the allegiance of two hundred fighting men,
29:45
Speaker 2: two hundred Like she would have to be a good leader.
29:49
Speaker 2: She would have had to have earned their respect because
29:52
Speaker 2: they wouldn't have just followed her blindly. And during the
29:58
Speaker 2: time of like Donald's death where there were reports in
30:02
Speaker 2: Dublin of ship's pirrating, and she's like, only wasn't as
30:07
Speaker 2: totally wasn't us own? By the way, do you want
30:09
Speaker 2: these two hundred fighting men on your side? You know,
30:13
Speaker 2: just as a compromise, just to help you, you know, convenient?
30:20
Speaker 2: But Gronia Gronia is one of my favorite vengeful women
30:26
Speaker 2: because like her first husband's been killed, and she doesn't
30:31
Speaker 2: let it lie whether or not, like she actually cared
30:35
Speaker 2: for him. Whom's to say? But when Donald is murdered,
30:40
Speaker 2: when he is slain, she either lays siege or repels
30:44
Speaker 2: a siege. It's kind of fuzzy on that detail. I mean,
30:49
Speaker 2: but it's grownia, So you know, fifty, it's more than
30:54
Speaker 2: a fifty to fifty chance, like it's it's more like
30:56
Speaker 2: a ninety ten. She it was probably her laying siege.
31:01
Speaker 2: That's her. She probably attacked first. Because yeah, so she
31:06
Speaker 2: lays a siege on Coxcastle. I'm not making us up. Say,
31:10
Speaker 2: isn't a euphemism for something. She raids Cox Castle and
31:15
Speaker 2: she wins, and then she names it Hen's Castle in
31:20
Speaker 2: her honor because she's like, just to let you know
31:23
Speaker 2: you were beaten by a woman and that I now
31:25
Speaker 2: own you, bitch, Like that's what that's about. So she
31:29
Speaker 2: does that, and off she pops back to Kloebe, back
31:33
Speaker 2: to clare Island, et cetera. Back to do her thing.
31:37
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she's a woman, she has needs and she
31:40
Speaker 2: briefly takes a lover as she should. And the lover
31:46
Speaker 2: is supposedly a shipwrecked sailor. He could be I mean,
31:52
Speaker 2: from where whom's to say? But she found him on
31:56
Speaker 2: the beach, like the Prince Eric found our Well, He's like, yep,
32:01
Speaker 2: that'll do. She's like, hmm, you're fun. You're mine now.
32:06
Speaker 2: So he gets slain by the McMahons of Ballyvai. Right,
32:11
Speaker 2: and again, being the calm, collected, reasonable person she is,
32:16
Speaker 2: she seeks vengeance attacks the McMahons. She goes to the
32:22
Speaker 2: castle of Dounnah in black Sod, right, and she just
32:27
Speaker 2: goes in and just gets rid of her lover's killer,
32:31
Speaker 2: like he is also slain now adios, which she may
32:36
Speaker 2: have said because she did in fact speak Spanish, that
32:40
Speaker 2: if they even said adios back then, because you know,
32:43
Speaker 2: words change over time. So about two years after the
32:48
Speaker 2: death of her first husband, grown Ya remarries and she
32:52
Speaker 2: marries Ustarred Alarassa Burke, and Burke is her second husband.
33:00
Speaker 2: But he's also known as Iron Richard. I mean, it's
33:05
Speaker 2: not the worst nickname I've ever heard. I'm just saying mmm.
33:11
Speaker 2: So they have one kid together, and that is che
33:15
Speaker 2: Butch Burke, and he would end up becoming the first
33:19
Speaker 2: Viscount of Mayo. Now, wait, was he the one that
33:26
Speaker 2: was born at sea? Is Marka a girl's name wait
33:32
Speaker 2: a minute, m maybe it was this one that was
33:36
Speaker 2: born at see. Oh my goodness, I don't know which
33:39
Speaker 2: one it was. You know, here I am going on
33:42
Speaker 2: about women and their stories and everything needs to be correct,
33:45
Speaker 2: and I can't remember which child was born at sea.
33:48
Speaker 2: I feel like hmm, I feel like, yeah, I definitely
33:53
Speaker 2: got it right last time. This is I mean, you
33:55
Speaker 2: can't shame the shameless, but oh dear. But yeah. So
34:02
Speaker 2: her second husband Bart, Now this may come as a surprise,
34:06
Speaker 2: but he was also a crappy husband, like to the
34:10
Speaker 2: point that when he left right to do whatever he did,
34:17
Speaker 2: I don't care about him. Ronia basically locks the doors
34:23
Speaker 2: and yells out of a window to Iron Dick Richard
34:28
Speaker 2: Burkeye dismiss you. And that was that. Because there's this
34:33
Speaker 2: whole thing with brand law where you can like divorce
34:37
Speaker 2: your husband by a shouting at a window upon fucking
34:43
Speaker 2: love it. That's just quality. And yeah, she gets to
34:48
Speaker 2: keep the castle, and she also keeps Iron Dick as
34:55
Speaker 2: an ally like that's ridiculous. So she stays in the
35:02
Speaker 2: O'Malley Castle in the summer because it's a stronghold. It's
35:06
Speaker 2: strategically like the best place to be right in the
35:10
Speaker 2: center where her sea kingdom, and like it is home
35:13
Speaker 2: alone up to the hilt. It has got smoke signals,
35:18
Speaker 2: baby traps and has like all these different ways of
35:21
Speaker 2: like sending and relaying, like receiving messages. There's a rope
35:26
Speaker 2: that leads from her bed to a ship like zoom
35:33
Speaker 2: zoom zoom. Pretty handy. She also had this thing where
35:37
Speaker 2: the way the castle was built because most people were
35:41
Speaker 2: right handed, that when you went up like the stairs
35:45
Speaker 2: of the castle, you would have to fight left handed.
35:48
Speaker 2: To make it more awkward, you wouldn't be able to
35:50
Speaker 2: hold the sword in your dominant hand again unless you
35:53
Speaker 2: were lefty. And like if you were part of, you know,
35:58
Speaker 2: an oppressive force at that time, chances are you know
36:02
Speaker 2: the Catholic was gonna smack the left ginis out of you.
36:05
Speaker 2: So eh, so like during this time, she's still known
36:11
Speaker 2: I think as Lady Burke. And Sir Richard Bingham, well
36:18
Speaker 2: he's been sent to Ireland to like be the right
36:21
Speaker 2: hand of the queen over there and whatnot, and he
36:24
Speaker 2: absolutely despises Gronya. And in fifteen seventy six he writes
36:30
Speaker 2: a letter stating that she was responsible and or involved
36:35
Speaker 2: in every single rebellion against the crown over the last
36:40
Speaker 2: forty years because the Crown is taking power all over
36:45
Speaker 2: the shop and lo and behold the arsol Bingham is like, oh, yeah,
36:50
Speaker 2: this woman's definitely to blame, and yeah, Gronya's no fool.
36:54
Speaker 2: So yeah, when she sees the Lord Deputy, Sir Henry Sydney,
36:58
Speaker 2: she offers her two hundred fighting men, she offers her
37:02
Speaker 2: three galleys. She offers it, you know, because he was
37:07
Speaker 2: trying to get everyone to like pay more taxes and
37:11
Speaker 2: people just weren't doing it and they were like rebelling
37:14
Speaker 2: and fighting and stuff. So she offers, you know, help,
37:18
Speaker 2: and he's like, ah, lady, no, I'm good. He's like
37:21
Speaker 2: one of the people who called her like grainny or granny,
37:25
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But yeah, within three weeks
37:31
Speaker 2: three weeks of this offer to the Lord Deputy, she
37:36
Speaker 2: sets off. She's a way to plunder and whatnot, and
37:41
Speaker 2: then she gets captured and she's kept for a bit
37:45
Speaker 2: and then she's sent to Dublin and she sent in
37:51
Speaker 2: chains and at this point she's gonna be like she's
37:55
Speaker 2: forty eight ish almost fifty and she's sent there is
38:03
Speaker 2: like this demonstration of lying to the crown. Let me,
38:09
Speaker 2: she did offer you help, and then she went off
38:13
Speaker 2: pirating because like, you can't be pirrating and she's like,
38:16
Speaker 2: I'm not pirting, and then she goes off in pirates,
38:18
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So she gets kept in
38:23
Speaker 2: for like nearly a year and they released her in
38:27
Speaker 2: fifteen seventy nine, and uh, she gets sent back to
38:32
Speaker 2: Cargahuley and she gets besieged. So Captain Marlin he gets
38:40
Speaker 2: her for her pirting escavades, but this is not Grownya's
38:47
Speaker 2: first rodeo, and she scales the bugger off. And then
38:51
Speaker 2: a year later, Iron Dick he becomes Lord Burke, and
38:56
Speaker 2: because he's still under English like consider he is still
39:02
Speaker 2: seen as married to Gronia. So Gronia gets awarded the
39:06
Speaker 2: title of Lady Birk because yeah, appeasement, that's totally going
39:13
Speaker 2: to work for her. Mm hmm. Given her a fancy title. Yeah,
39:19
Speaker 2: but she gets like a new castle. She gets a
39:22
Speaker 2: new title, and they think, you know, this will be
39:24
Speaker 2: enough for her to calm down and not be involved
39:27
Speaker 2: in every single rebellion over the next forty years. Uh
39:32
Speaker 2: huh great. Sure. Three years later though, Oh unfortunately I
39:41
Speaker 2: am Dick. He dies of natural causes and gronia. She's
39:45
Speaker 2: been through this before, she knows the whole spiel. So
39:50
Speaker 2: she packs her bag, She grabs her followers, her you know,
39:54
Speaker 2: one thousand head of cows, her males, and her fighting men,
40:01
Speaker 2: her galleys, and she heads back to Carragahilly. And she's
40:06
Speaker 2: fifty three, she's independent. Why why would she get involved
40:12
Speaker 2: in anything nefarious? M Because some people just love the sea, right,
40:19
Speaker 2: they just like it. Because when you're a professional pirate,
40:24
Speaker 2: you don't have to wear a suit. And yeah, why
40:30
Speaker 2: would she do that? Anyway? Fifteen eighty four rolls round
40:33
Speaker 2: and Sir John Parrott he is appointed the Lord Deputy,
40:37
Speaker 2: with her dear old friend Richard Bingham as the provincial
40:41
Speaker 2: President of Connacht. And my god, that man hates the
40:46
Speaker 2: Irish and he despises grown up with a fiery passion.
40:51
Speaker 2: So Perott, he's trying to catch more flies with honey
40:55
Speaker 2: than vinegar, and Bingham he very much prefer tells the
41:00
Speaker 2: stick to the carrot, So the barks they start rebelling
41:05
Speaker 2: Bingham he is unnecessarily cruel, so he sends his brother
41:13
Speaker 2: to go kill on No Floherty Gronia's oldest son. Right,
41:19
Speaker 2: So Gronia invites you know, Bingham's brother in. He offers
41:23
Speaker 2: him hospitality, right, like game of throne, like the phrase
41:28
Speaker 2: like you eat in the house, it's a whole thing.
41:32
Speaker 2: So they get in there and oh, no, flerty. He
41:36
Speaker 2: offers you know, food, wine, everything, a lovely dinner and
41:40
Speaker 2: what does.
41:40
Speaker 3: He get stapped? He gets stabbed twelve times in fact,
41:46
Speaker 3: and again, in a move that should surprise absolutely nobody,
41:52
Speaker 3: Gronia decides to join the rebellion, and Bingham, for his
41:59
Speaker 3: just uncouth act, he gets sent to help the Dutch
42:05
Speaker 3: with their like a fight against Spain, and well he's away,
42:09
Speaker 3: grown your sales round to the pail, right, and she
42:12
Speaker 3: asks Peril for a pardon for her and her children
42:15
Speaker 3: for their past defenses, and he's like, absolutely no problem,
42:20
Speaker 3: barely an inconvenience, and yeah, all is well, everything's good.
42:30
Speaker 3: Fifteen eighty eight rolls around and the Spanish Armada is
42:36
Speaker 3: coming in. Unfortunately, the Spanish Armada had to deal with weather,
42:43
Speaker 3: which was the main if it didn't have a storm,
42:47
Speaker 3: if things didn't go badly, English history I think would
42:50
Speaker 3: be very different now. But so Spanish Armada happens, people
42:56
Speaker 3: get washed up on the shore. And as far as
43:00
Speaker 3: we know, Gronia was involved in saving Spaniards because one
43:06
Speaker 3: of her main trade routes with Spain. She spoke Spanish,
43:11
Speaker 3: and there's a rumor that she like saved a bunch
43:14
Speaker 3: of Spaniards and brought them over to Scotland where they
43:18
Speaker 3: were safe, you know, from Elizabeth, or so they say.
43:25
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's fifteen eighty eight. Perot is replaced with Fitzwilliams.
43:30
Speaker 3: Bingham returns and just fucks everything up. He's killing, he's
43:34
Speaker 3: laying waste to the land and the people.
43:37
Speaker 2: In fitz william he tries to rain him in but
43:40
Speaker 2: does not work, and uh, Bingham gets tried, but you
43:47
Speaker 2: know again, rich white dude, he gets acquitted kill surprise,
43:54
Speaker 2: and because he's not happy with you know, the amount
43:56
Speaker 2: of suffering he's already caused. Bingham returns to and is
44:01
Speaker 2: well mad and he is absolutely held bent on destroying Gronia,
44:06
Speaker 2: and when she is out at sea, destroys her lands
44:10
Speaker 2: at Cargoholey right, and somehow someway he aligns himself with Marca,
44:21
Speaker 2: her third son, Marca will Flaherty, So she is well
44:29
Speaker 2: mad about this, and Grona just like straight up removes
44:32
Speaker 2: him from her will and she just basically denounces him,
44:39
Speaker 2: you know, removes him from her life, the whole sha
44:41
Speaker 2: bang cuts him out. Oh yeah, and then she tortures
44:44
Speaker 2: all of his shit like she just sets it on
44:48
Speaker 2: fire her and yeah, all of Gronia's fleet ends up impounded.
44:53
Speaker 2: So by fifteen ninety two, Chi Budge he is held
44:58
Speaker 2: captive by Bingham and Grownia is just not happy. She's
45:03
Speaker 2: not in it for this, and she is genuinely worried
45:06
Speaker 2: that her youngest child is going to be executed because
45:09
Speaker 2: he's like linked to the rebellion with the Earl of Tyrone.
45:12
Speaker 2: It's a whole thing, and she needs to be a
45:16
Speaker 2: stop to this. So like the following year, she ends
45:19
Speaker 2: up going all the way to the top. She goes
45:21
Speaker 2: above Bingham's head. She goes straight to the manager and
45:25
Speaker 2: requests an audience with Queen Elizabeth the first. So she
45:30
Speaker 2: shows up in Greenwich Castle right to make Queen Bess right.
45:35
Speaker 2: She gets frisked and they found a dagger on her
45:38
Speaker 2: and she's like protection, they'll inn it. She's like, of
45:43
Speaker 2: course I'm going to show up with a knife. I
45:45
Speaker 2: am in an enemy's like location, it would be stoobid
45:48
Speaker 2: for me not to And they're like, fair enough, but
45:50
Speaker 2: we're still going to take it from you, you know.
45:53
Speaker 2: And so she sneezes, she's like her allergies are playing
45:56
Speaker 2: up or whatever hymns to say, and she's given a handkerchief,
46:01
Speaker 2: so she blows her nose and then throws like the
46:06
Speaker 2: handkerchief into the fire and the courtiers and everyone you
46:12
Speaker 2: know there. So everyone at court, like all of the gentry,
46:16
Speaker 2: everyone's surrounding, everyone is absolutely appalled at this. They are shocked.
46:22
Speaker 2: They are aghast, and they're like, what is this horrible
46:26
Speaker 2: app that has been committed upon us? And groans like
46:31
Speaker 2: what it was dirty? So I got rid of it,
46:35
Speaker 2: like I think it's more of a shock value thing.
46:41
Speaker 2: She did it just to go boo at them, you know,
46:44
Speaker 2: She's like, oh, a bottle, a hanky, what are you
46:46
Speaker 2: gonna do? Ooh? So she ends up chatting to good
46:50
Speaker 2: Queen Bess. Right, she's chatting to Elizabeth, you know what.
46:54
Speaker 2: I call her good as if she was she was
46:55
Speaker 2: an arsehole like everybody else. So they're chatting in Latin
46:59
Speaker 2: because Elizabeth doesn't speak any Irish and Gronia apparently speaks
47:04
Speaker 2: no English, and Gronya's I mean, she's far pushing it
47:09
Speaker 2: at this point. You know, she's old, and she says
47:15
Speaker 2: to Elizabeth, you know, listen, I was seafearing, I was buccaneering,
47:22
Speaker 2: was I was pellaging and pilfering and plundering and other
47:26
Speaker 2: words beginning with pee because we like alliteration here. I
47:31
Speaker 2: did all that because it was out of necessity. I
47:36
Speaker 2: a poor woman with terrible husbands. Ugh Am, all right,
47:41
Speaker 2: you know, and Bengham has it out for me, and
47:44
Speaker 2: you know, and I had to do with my own safety,
47:47
Speaker 2: and I just want to go and live a farmer's life,
47:50
Speaker 2: whichould be nice if this didn't destroy my shit, you know,
47:54
Speaker 2: it would be great. That's all I want to do. Unsurprisingly,
47:58
Speaker 2: Bengham is pest massively pests as information and so he
48:05
Speaker 2: he tries to like flee, but he gets arrested in England.
48:10
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not too long before he ends up
48:12
Speaker 2: back in Ireland because again rich went Dud's you know
48:15
Speaker 2: what I mean, members of the gentry. Things are gonna
48:18
Speaker 2: go well for him. He's fine, you know whatever. So Elizabeth,
48:24
Speaker 2: she believes Gronya and she you know, says that she
48:29
Speaker 2: will be a loyal subject upon receiving a small pension
48:34
Speaker 2: and other such goods. Right, She's like, I have appeased
48:37
Speaker 2: her in my infinite wisdom. I am correct, and she is,
48:42
Speaker 2: you know, like it's actually really funny though, because like
48:46
Speaker 2: see when she met her, she wouldn't curtsey to the
48:48
Speaker 2: queen because she's like, I am the Queen of Ireland.
48:51
Speaker 2: Why would a curtsy to you? Like we're both queens.
48:54
Speaker 2: Deal with it. So yeah, Bingham, he's incense, right, he's
49:04
Speaker 2: just so mad about this and he just lays chaos
49:13
Speaker 2: and just just keeps whaling on Grownia. He just makes
49:18
Speaker 2: things difficult for her continuously, like consistently, one after another
49:24
Speaker 2: in a row, just one dodgy piece of thing after another,
49:26
Speaker 2: right and growing. It is like really right, fine, And
49:33
Speaker 2: she returns to seafaring in pirrating ways, like in seventeen
49:43
Speaker 2: ninety five, like she's like, oh man, is you up
49:49
Speaker 2: to this stuff again? I better get in my boat.
49:51
Speaker 2: And there's reports of her being an elderly woman, like
49:55
Speaker 2: she's almost eighty and she's pirating like that. I mean,
50:01
Speaker 2: that's just impressive. And by fifteen eighty seven, just two
50:07
Speaker 2: years after this, the Burk family, they end up with
50:11
Speaker 2: a tidy wee summer. Right, they get a nice wee
50:15
Speaker 2: junker change for helping the crown. Like that's good for them.
50:21
Speaker 2: I guess don't know what they did. They just kind
50:23
Speaker 2: of showed up and we're like, we're here, we're helping hi.
50:26
Speaker 2: But even then, you cannot keep growing your offul boat.
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Speaker 2: Like there are reports and sidings of her up until
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Speaker 2: sixteen oh one, so she's like in her eighties, still
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Speaker 2: doing all this stuff. But in sixteen oh three, age
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Speaker 2: finally catches up a gronja and she dies of natural
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Speaker 2: causes or I don't know. At this point, I think
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Speaker 2: the sea just claimed her. They're like, come on now, honey,
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Speaker 2: you're one of us. And that is the story of
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Speaker 2: Grondua Wiel Grande O'Malley, Ireland's pirate queen. So what did
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Speaker 2: we learned today? We learned that I let Grandea O'Malley.
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Speaker 2: I'm also petty yeay ah, that you know pirrating has
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Speaker 2: no age limit. That's good, and hell hath no fury
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Speaker 2: like a woman scorned, Like every time someone like near
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Speaker 2: her is executed, she's like, I'm coming for you. I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna get you and I'm gonna burn it down. And
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Speaker 2: I appreciate that level of passion. I really did. And
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Speaker 2: of course, if you liked this episode, please rate interview
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Speaker 2: to me. You have no idea and share this episode.
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Speaker 2: Share it everywhere, share it privately, share it publicly from Spotify,
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Speaker 2: to your podcasts. It would mean you have no idea.
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Speaker 2: I want Gronya's name to be accepted as part of
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Speaker 2: her and not have something else slapped on her, just
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Speaker 2: because it's more palatable for those who refuse to call
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Speaker 2: her by her name. Now, don't forget. You can follow
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Speaker 2: me on social media. I am on TikTok, Instagram, Twitter,
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Speaker 2: or The links are going to be down below. If
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Speaker 2: you are looking to go to the Heartland Pagan Festival
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Speaker 2: on May Memorial weekend, yes, I'm going to be there.
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Speaker 2: There's going to be three workshops, one talk and a
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Speaker 2: live podcast recording and so link is in the description
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Speaker 2: down below. And Katie Ten Katie ten k E t
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Speaker 2: I E ten will get you a discount code. Yeah
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Speaker 2: h that is a discount code. You're going to trying
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Speaker 2: to think what else for today? If you want to
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Speaker 2: do the survey, do the survey again. Link is there,
53:07
Speaker 2: see how you get on. But yeah, mainly I just
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Speaker 2: want everybody sharing. I just I want her story out there.
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Speaker 2: I know, it's just it's kind of fragmented because we
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Speaker 2: don't have a clear history about her, because history in
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Speaker 2: Ireland is oral er, oral er, one of those heard spoken,
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Speaker 2: one of those, So we don't necessarily have the perfect timeline,
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Speaker 2: but we do our best with what we have. Oh yeah, merch.
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Speaker 2: There's merch link down below as well. Merch is finally
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Speaker 2: here has a and I'm working on some exclusive merch
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Speaker 2: for the Patreon but that is coming. Oh my recommendation time.
53:53
Speaker 2: I can't leave without recommendation time, of course. So listening,
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Speaker 2: So I have been listening to the song pretty Boys
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Speaker 2: by Kady Bear on you Repeat. It is so good.
54:04
Speaker 2: It is far too correct actually and yeah, it is brilliant.
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Speaker 2: You should definitely listen to it. It's amazing. She's on Spotify,
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Speaker 2: she's great. She's also on TikTok. It's so good, pretty Boys.
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Speaker 2: They got nothing else to get. It's so good. It's
54:19
Speaker 2: so good. Oh. In book wise, you should read a
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Speaker 2: bloody good Massacre by my friend, the good honorable Reverend
54:28
Speaker 2: David Scott. He's not actually a reverend. It's a long story,
54:33
Speaker 2: it's a joke, but yeah, David Scott the author. You
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Speaker 2: should go read a bloody good Mascer. It's on like
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Speaker 2: Amazon and Waterstones and just places. Go read now for watching,
54:45
Speaker 2: for watching, you know what I want you to do.
54:48
Speaker 2: I want you to go watch a Muppet Treasure Island actually,
54:52
Speaker 2: because that is a quality movie. The songs you cannot
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Speaker 2: get anywhere, big shame. I mean, Tim Curry is amazing, frankly,
55:01
Speaker 2: and that we fell I went on to be a comedian.
55:04
Speaker 2: I'm sure he's doing great, but yeah, Motherer, Treasure Island
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Speaker 2: is a quality all year round film. Obviously Christmas Carol
55:12
Speaker 2: is peak, isn't it, But we watch that at Christmas.
55:16
Speaker 2: Treasure Island has it has Tim Curry and instead of
55:21
Speaker 2: a part, he has a lobster. I mean, what more
55:23
Speaker 2: do you want in a movie? Right? Again, to be
55:25
Speaker 2: super annoying, I know, I know, I know, but like this,
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Speaker 2: share this and if you do listen to this one
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Speaker 2: streaming stuff, you can download it as well, and it
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Speaker 2: adds something. I don't know how the algorithm works, but
55:39
Speaker 2: if you download on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, it does
55:43
Speaker 2: a thing. Partly, it boosts stuff up if you are
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Speaker 2: ratting and reviewing. If you write stuff in the box,
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Speaker 2: it somehow boosts the review. I don't have the answers,
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Speaker 2: but the technology does a thing. But without further ado,
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Speaker 2: I really hope that this episode does well. I really do,
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Speaker 2: cause it just means so much to me. But yes,
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Speaker 2: I am going to say good night to you all.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for listening. If you've made it this far,
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Speaker 2: thank you You're amazing. But I shall bid you farewell.
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Speaker 2: Adios au revoir of where As THEE my friends, Bye bye,