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Tink & Hitmaka Talk New Music, "Cater", Harsh Realities Of The Music Industry, Manifestation & More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club Morning.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody is DJ Envy Angela, Ye, Charlotte mean the guy.
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  Speaker 1: We are to Breakfast Club. We got some special guest
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  Speaker 1: joining us today. We got who we got. We got
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  Speaker 1: a hit maker and Tink, big Tink, not the little one.
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  Speaker 1: What's happening, guys, what's up y'all? How's it going? Think
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  Speaker 1: you don't look pregnant? Just want to throw that out
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  Speaker 1: there right off the top of everybody was saying she
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  Speaker 1: was pregnant on the line. Okay, well I didn't even
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  Speaker 1: know that, because everybody's been thinking I've been pregnant for
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  Speaker 1: a while, and I'm glad you stay at that. Some
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  Speaker 1: days we're just a little bloated me. I know, I
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  Speaker 1: said I was pregnant. Today we got to want to
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  Speaker 1: stand with you. You know, when we first started the
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  Speaker 1: Breakfast Club, I don't even know, twelve years ago and
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  Speaker 1: Timberland played this, played you you as an artist. We
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  Speaker 1: fell in love a long time, a long time, been
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  Speaker 1: a long time fan of team super duper successful, and
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  Speaker 1: you went through the ups and downs and lefts and
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  Speaker 1: rights and round about it and now you're here now.
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  Speaker 1: So for people that don't know who Tink? Explain too,
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  Speaker 1: Who Tink is, how you got your first start and
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  Speaker 1: to where you are now? Yeah Tink, y'all know me.
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  Speaker 1: I've been making music for a long time. I'm from Chicago.
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  Speaker 1: Since twenty twelve, I've been dropping mixtapes when it's diary. Um,
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  Speaker 1: you know. I got signed with Simberland and twenty fifteen
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  Speaker 1: we made some really dope music, but it didn't really
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  Speaker 1: work out, you know, the way I wanted it to
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  Speaker 1: work out. I just felt like the situation wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: fit for me. I had a lot of people on
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  Speaker 1: a label that were kind of like hovering over my situation,
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  Speaker 1: so I felt like I wasn't as creative anymore, and
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  Speaker 1: we had we had a lot of disagreements, that's all. Um.
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  Speaker 1: That album was classical. Charlotta Magne hurt the album. It
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  Speaker 1: didn't come out. It was Think Tink. So that was
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  Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, So you know, it's just the label situations.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people in the office were having you know,
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  Speaker 1: silent beefs, and it trickled down on the artist. But
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  Speaker 1: I became independent in eighteen easy was it easy to
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  Speaker 1: do it all? I really had to like sighting up.
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  Speaker 1: I had to go and get an attorney, switch attorneys,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you got to talk to your accountants and
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  Speaker 1: just switched the whole team up on the business side.
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  Speaker 1: So that took some time. It took like years. Um,
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  Speaker 1: So that's why I took a break. In twenty seventeen,
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  Speaker 1: I backed off a music completely just to go get
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  Speaker 1: my life right. And yeah, in eighteen, I was finally,
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  Speaker 1: you know, released, So we had to do some negotiating
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes, but you know, Tim, he let me.
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  Speaker 1: He let me go and do my thing, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I became independent. I saw my distribution deal with Empires,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm able to just really like release whatever I
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  Speaker 1: want free again. And yeah, I've been making albums ever
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  Speaker 1: since and it's really just been turning up. And you
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  Speaker 1: got Gazzi and hit make it here with you today.
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  Speaker 1: That's big. Listen, God's in the building too. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: even see Ghazi fire. Do you think people always say
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  Speaker 1: they Tim Tim might have oversold you, like comparing you
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  Speaker 1: to the Leaders and the Lauren Hills. Do you think
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  Speaker 1: that had a negative impact. I do. It was a
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  Speaker 1: lot um and comparisons really, like I called a lot
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  Speaker 1: of backlash, you know, I dropped the record billion and
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  Speaker 1: it was a really dope song, but I felt like
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  Speaker 1: with him kind of like comparing me to her and
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  Speaker 1: you know, telling people I'm the next Aliyah. You can't
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  Speaker 1: play with legends like that. And I had a lot
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  Speaker 1: of work to do at the time, so it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: really necessary. Um, and I remember we dropped the record
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  Speaker 1: with Jay Z and Rick Ross Face. Actually y'all premiered. Yeah, yeah, yes,
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  Speaker 1: y'all got him in big trouble. But yeah, it was
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  Speaker 1: just a lot of things on business and that weren't tight,
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  Speaker 1: and it kind of just affected everything. It's like a
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  Speaker 1: snowball effect. What does that do to you creatively in
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  Speaker 1: a space where you want to do your music and
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  Speaker 1: you've been working on music for so long, but then
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  Speaker 1: the business is a mess. It just holds up everything,
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  Speaker 1: the process. Everything gets pushed back. Like I had albums
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  Speaker 1: ready to go, you know, I had music in the can,
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  Speaker 1: but the label couldn't promote my music because you know,
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  Speaker 1: we had an album to release, So it was just
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  Speaker 1: like everything got put on hold. So as an artist,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's the worst thing. Like I can't drop and
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  Speaker 1: I got heat, you know, I want to be in
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  Speaker 1: the market too, and you got somebody making a schedule
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  Speaker 1: for you. So yeah, it just makes you kind of
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  Speaker 1: like kind of frustrated. And how does that affect you
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  Speaker 1: as far as like wanting to sign somewhere else. Again,
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  Speaker 1: I'm really careful with with all my deals now, like
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  Speaker 1: I really had to get a new attorney. I'm looking
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  Speaker 1: through my contracts now, I'm actually reading them worried for word.
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  Speaker 1: I think when I was younger, I was like nineteen,
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  Speaker 1: so I was just signing, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: like signing anything, and I wasn't checking things thoroughly. So
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  Speaker 1: now I'm on top of it, on top of everything.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great question because you go, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: very selective because over the years I've hit think a
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  Speaker 1: million times like yo, take this person won't talk to you,
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  Speaker 1: this person won't talk you, this prison wanna talk to you.
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  Speaker 1: And I was going through things, Charlotte, Man, I'm really like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm really personable, but like when you locked
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  Speaker 1: into a situation, you can't really talk to anyone at
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  Speaker 1: the time, like I was in deals, and I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: really move at the time like how I wanted to.
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  Speaker 1: So that's all that was. You know, with man, it's
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  Speaker 1: everything to be honest, Like, honk, how'd you get together?
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  Speaker 1: So I'm at Empire. I have been with Empire for
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  Speaker 1: like some years, and he recently last year came to Empire. Yes, sir,
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  Speaker 1: so we linked at the studio um working on music.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It was real organic, like
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  Speaker 1: I met him in San Francisco. Ye, so yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: just met at the studio. We started working on records,
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  Speaker 1: and I liked the process with him, like you make
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  Speaker 1: it fun. It's not no pressure because it wasn't like
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  Speaker 1: that off the rip. You know what I'm saying. Charlemagne
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  Speaker 1: already to say that, you know what I'm saying. You know,
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  Speaker 1: she's very very I was introduced to her, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just because guys, he really believed in me. Like last
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  Speaker 1: time I was here, I said, I actually got my
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  Speaker 1: gig with Atlantic Records from speaking on you know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was speaking things to existence and then I got
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  Speaker 1: my my gig. And I was running into trials and
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  Speaker 1: tribulations at Atlantic because I sold so many records for them,
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  Speaker 1: multiple number one records. Kind of felt underappreciated, and guys,
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  Speaker 1: he came and like scooped me up and it was
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  Speaker 1: a big deal for me. And it was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because leaving Atlantic and doing all these huge records or
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  Speaker 1: whatever to go in an empire, people would look at
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  Speaker 1: it like maybe you're going to You're going to an independent, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be rougher for you. But actually I got
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  Speaker 1: in there a link with Tink. We did the last album.
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  Speaker 1: Charlotte Magne actually opened up the last album. Appreciate for
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  Speaker 1: doing that. And then you know I've done badest Chris
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  Speaker 1: Brown Blue two Chains by your boy Peru. I was
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  Speaker 1: able to orchestrate that record and have involved in that,
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  Speaker 1: So we're rocking. I don't think people realize how talented
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  Speaker 1: think is. Man. Oh no, she's the best. Thank you many, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I feel that too. But I felt like, man,
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  Speaker 1: the more that I'm kind of like releasing more music
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  Speaker 1: and I'm really able to push my product now, Like before,
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  Speaker 1: when you signed to a label, you kind of like
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  Speaker 1: you have to play the back road sometimes and the
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  Speaker 1: bigger artists get you know, the big it looks. So
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  Speaker 1: now my team, we're really putting it out there and
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  Speaker 1: I think it's reaching a bigger audience. Now, did you
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  Speaker 1: ever want to give up with everything that you were
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  Speaker 1: going through. Yes, all the time. I took a break
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  Speaker 1: and I was really like my moment while I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I really need to be doing this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not in the right space. It was messing with
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  Speaker 1: me mentally, you know, like and I'm trying to take
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  Speaker 1: care of things at home. You know, I'm still in Chicago,
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  Speaker 1: So there's a lot I always you know, what did
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  Speaker 1: you do during their moments? To be honest? Honestly, like
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  Speaker 1: I was more so to myself. I kind of like
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  Speaker 1: stayed in the house for a long time, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I started approaching my records again like how I would
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  Speaker 1: do before I got signed. So that's like writing in
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  Speaker 1: Chicago righting at home. I just went back to what
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  Speaker 1: you know, my home grounds and kind of just had
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  Speaker 1: to tighten up everything. But you've never stopped making money
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  Speaker 1: off music though you do shows, man. Yeah, and that's
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  Speaker 1: the that's the best thing. Like my fans they really
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  Speaker 1: like hold me down from way back like day one fans,
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  Speaker 1: So during that time period, they were still waiting and
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  Speaker 1: ready to support. So what was your first impression of
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  Speaker 1: tink with me? He thought I was stuck up or
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying or whatever, But I mean
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  Speaker 1: I looked at it as a challenge, you know, because
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  Speaker 1: her not her, She's so talented that she never really
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  Speaker 1: collaborated with anyone in her whole process. She wouldn't let
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  Speaker 1: nobody in the studio. And to bring it for a circle,
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  Speaker 1: talking about Tim, Tim was actually in Miami with us.
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  Speaker 1: I invited them to the studio while we were creating
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  Speaker 1: this process and I spoke to think about it, and
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  Speaker 1: he was around from the early stuff, and Tim was
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  Speaker 1: telling us like, boy had nobody and she kicked me
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  Speaker 1: out the studio. But just to see the evolution of
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  Speaker 1: what she really does and like put her to open
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  Speaker 1: herself up, because to me, my thought process is always
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  Speaker 1: like if I got all these records at radio, we
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  Speaker 1: gotta get you at radio, we gotta take it mainstream.
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  Speaker 1: And I think her redemption was selling out the Chicago
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  Speaker 1: Theater thirty five hundred seats by herself headline in that show,
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  Speaker 1: having all Chicago female artists opened up for you know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, shout out the GCI saw to everybody there.
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  Speaker 1: What did you think when you first got in the
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  Speaker 1: studio with her? You were like, Okay, this is what,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, you wanted to do more mainstream and
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  Speaker 1: radio type of songs. What did you think about her
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: music prior to that? I thought it was dope. You know,
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  Speaker 1: everybody knows the million record bottom bit, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: then if you really dig deep into the rabbit hole.
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  Speaker 1: I actually before the session, you know, like I like
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: to go do my little research or whatever, because me
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: and Tink, I'm probably seven eight years older than Tink,
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  Speaker 1: so like she grew up in a different era in Chicago,
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  Speaker 1: were both from the city. So I just went did
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  Speaker 1: my research and I was just like, yo, where can
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  Speaker 1: I take this? How can I put this on the
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  Speaker 1: mainstream level to where everybody can see it and embrace it,
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: you know, because she has her cold fan base, But
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  Speaker 1: now I just want everybody to appreciate in the game,
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  Speaker 1: what makes you want to do another album because you
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  Speaker 1: know you were leasing the album? What makes you want
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: to get back in the front and run around and
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: you got to pay for that jury? Na, I'm good,
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  Speaker 1: but you back outside? Yeah, I'm back outside. But to me, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: because because I can, it's not really like you know
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like a big deal like that to me, Like,
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  Speaker 1: I love putting these records together. Actually, my record down
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  Speaker 1: Bad features one of my songwriter buddies. That's that I
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  Speaker 1: write all these records with or whatever on the record
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: and Fabulous and Jeremiah. It's top forty. It just came out,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. A week ago was number
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  Speaker 1: more and most out of the urban radio. So I'm
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: just I'm just I'm just in a groove, you know
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like when when it shots clicking, you're
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna keep shooting, you know what saying. I
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: think everybody in the room can relate to that. How
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: difficult is it for you when you have to make
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: a record but you also have ordists that you're producing for.
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: So record think might want that record, But do you
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: like dam I might want that record from myself? I
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: mean envy. I've been working on my producer album since
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: I was at Atlantic, So like bro, like, I'll just
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: give the record away, Like if you want it, I'm
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: gonna go make another one like here here here. So
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: my my music and my album has been reshaped several times.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But do you guys clash
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  Speaker 1: on in the studio when it comes to creativity, what
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: are like, what are some of the discussions you have?
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  Speaker 1: Who has you know, do you trust him to make
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  Speaker 1: the say, I think the most thing, like we finally
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  Speaker 1: clash on. I like to overdo my ad libs. Like
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: I'm real soulful about the music. So sometimes you're telling me, like,
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: you know, just pull back a little bit. I'm like, nah,
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: the song need a little right there. But it's small things.
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  Speaker 1: It's more so like the details about the music. It's
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  Speaker 1: not really big clashes. Yeah, Like we ain't gonna lie.
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  Speaker 1: We got great chemistry, Like I think it's actually the
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  Speaker 1: only moments that we might have. And that's why our
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  Speaker 1: chemistry is super dope together. Is that I go off
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  Speaker 1: feeling you know what I'm saying, Like when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to music and how it makes me feel. She's a
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  Speaker 1: very cerebral thought process, think it through, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying, Attention, attention to detail with everything you know,
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  Speaker 1: and me it's like, oh, that felt right, that's the moment.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Let's go with it, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But she likes to go back and really fine tooth
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  Speaker 1: comb things and which I learned a lot from her
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  Speaker 1: in that process as well. And y'all got directed goofy.
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: It isn't goofy like fighting words in Chicago, Chico. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta hear the song I was saying, more so
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  Speaker 1: like I'm crazy and love when I thought about it,
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: when I when I hear it back and now it
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: you know, people are reacting to it. I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 1: goofy is a strong word, but I guess I'm staying
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: like y'all, I'm being. Sometimes we crazy and love. We
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  Speaker 1: make decisions that we normally wouldn't when we really love somebody.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, sometimes it can can come up like we
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  Speaker 1: being goofy. Is it hard for you to find love
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  Speaker 1: Tink because you are Tink? Yeah, it's a real thing.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's so hard beating people that understand this, I
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: guess lifestyle or and just me as a person, I'm
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: so I'm an intellectual, you know me. I'm a thinker,
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  Speaker 1: very mature. So yeah, this generation it's a little weird.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, people don't really be on my
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: same way. People inves like that. We don't see you
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  Speaker 1: posting nobody or nothing. And that's the thing. I have
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  Speaker 1: a hard time, like working around too many people because
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: then you have a lot of people like dropping their
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  Speaker 1: opinions or in my case, I make music for women too,
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: so a lot of times just guys in the studio.
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  Speaker 1: So I need to like clear the you know, just
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: clear the room so I can say what I want
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  Speaker 1: to say without feeling any you know, pressure from nobody.
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  Speaker 1: So that's all it is. I just like to be
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: comfortable so I can like get my you know, get
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  Speaker 1: my vib off. So who's the guy that's gonna hear
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  Speaker 1: this record and be like, Oh, she's talking about me.
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  Speaker 1: I made her. I made her a goofy oh lord.
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  Speaker 1: I hate to think of it like that. That's giving
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  Speaker 1: people too much, but it's it's for all of us.
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  Speaker 1: It could be for a lot of people, not like that,
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  Speaker 1: but it could be for a lot of guys. Like
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  Speaker 1: I speak for all the women, not just you know myself.
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  Speaker 1: So because you say, I saw you say your main
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: goal was to keep it all away one hundred that's
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: why you shot in the video in Chicago, all of
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: that stuff. You know you're gonna tell me true, I'm
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: assuming this based on bro like that, you know something. Nah,
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  Speaker 1: As far as goofy and it's what the funny thing is,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, Uh, we actually had
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  Speaker 1: the pleasure to work with Rico Love and collaborate on
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  Speaker 1: this record, and we were playing to beat and we
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: was vibe into it and he came in and kind
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  Speaker 1: of like said he wrote it got the goofy part,
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: and I was so that throughout there first, and she
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: just went in was okay, please say you that reference
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: track just in case we ever need the black Man Nigel. Oh, Now,
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: y'all got some some quotables in these streets for real.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you to win. When Burg was out,
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: there was still was a five thousand dollar Birg, a
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: ten thousand dollar bird now to where you're at now.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: So do those people still come to that knew you
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: back then and be like I need I need that
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: old bird price. But you're like that doesn't exist anymore.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: I'm hit making that. No, I'm not even gonna lie
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: like right now, I haven't really been taking like too
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: many advances. And I have song deals with every company
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: that's in the business, so it like it's a slated fee.
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: And if I really like you when I rock with you,
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: I probably won't charge you because it's like when I'm
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: gonna tell you like um, like Buster Rhymes has a
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: new single that I just did with bea coming out.
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: I can't charge Buster what I'm saying, You'll pay me
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: sixty gram, pay me my rate like but and Buster
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: is a legend the same way y'all see me with
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: Terrace Squad chains, Like I can never charge Fat Joe.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, So Tink, I do chargish Tink.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know it's it's a vibe.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: I it was early. It was early. Now we gotta
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: understand it. And we're partners and we like we so
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: locked in with everything we got going on. It's my partner, Like,
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie like she involved with my career.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: I'm involved with her career. We're making decisions together and
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: bossing up together. Tink. Do you write for other artists
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: who I do? At a point in time, like I
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: was writing Actually people don't know this, but I was
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: writing for Rihanna's camp. I knew that. Yeah, Charlemagne didn't
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: know that I was writing for Rihanna. And I haven't
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: really written lately because I've been so focused. But when
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: I take my breaks, and you know, there's bearers of
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: a time where I'm not dropping a lot of music.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: I'm still working in you know, shopping records. Do you
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: ever get frustrated? Like I know I'm better than ninety
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: five percent of all of these people out here. The
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: dog crosses my mind, but it don't frustrate frustrate me.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: It kind of like kind of turned me up a
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: little more. Like, man, when my time come or when
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: it's really that, it's like, it ain't gonna be no
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: stopping because if that's what y'all really love, is like
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: wait till a real one, you know what I'm saying,
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: can run the whole game. But I don't get frustrated
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: no more. I'm in a great space shot man, I'm
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: making I'm making a nice a nice bag now. So
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: that's what that's what it's really about. Like, I think
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: people get frustrated when they're not receiving, you know, receiving
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: a reward. I've been getting mind, So I'm happy for
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: everybody right now. I had an argument with an executive
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: more time because you know, it was seeing how dope
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: you are black and black and they literally said to me,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: but I just don't think she'll pop because she dogs
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: getting what Yeah, I'm not gonna ever say the person's name. Well, no,
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not even surprised to hear that. That's the way
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: of this industry, y'all. It's it's really it's sad to
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: hear it. But at the same time, like whatever we
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: had that, we had that shit all the time. Um,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: And to me, that's what makes me even more dope
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: because it's like, man, people really like me for my talent,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Like I don't have to do you know what I'm saying,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: I don't have to be anybody else, or it's really
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: about my music, so like I can run a game
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: for as long as I want, Like no matter what,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I'm coming out the house looking like they're gonna love
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: at me for my music. I actually said, didn't know.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: That's the reason she would because she represents for a
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: whole group of people that see all that melan and
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, okay, but it's a new day now,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: you know, Like people got to really come get around
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: me and see what's going on now. So she gets
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: busy in Chicago. So I'm in Chicago, but I'm also
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: in La a whole lot because I connection too between y'all,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: just to know that, like, you guys have really had
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: a lot in comment, I got a lot in comment.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Tell the Truth executive hit Maker. You hear things like
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: that right about all the women. I've not not necessarily
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: about skin color whatever, but I've just seen people make
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: so many wrong decisions. And even with U, with my
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: departure from Atlantic Records, like this is what happened. Someone
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: La read off from me a label deal, and um,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: I came back to Craig and I was just like, yeah,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: like bro, like I know I work for y'all, but
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: this guy want to give me a label deal? Is
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: this big amount of money? You know, let me go
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: get my bag. You know, I'll still create the hits
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: and do whatever I need to do. And he was like, Nah,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: you can't do that. You can't do that. And then
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: they offer me a deal. And I don't think that
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: they gave me the deal because they wanted they believed
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: in me to get the deal. They just gave me
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: the deal to keep me in that system and keep
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: me locked in or whatever and just passify me in
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: a situation. And I wanted to grow and elevate and
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: work with up and coming artists and work with different
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: people signed people, work with artists like ten. Because I
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: was thinking la read it offered me like, man, like
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: you could just work with whatever artists in its label
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: and if it works out, we'll put them under your banner.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Similar to game in fifty
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: cent or something like that. How he has all these
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: different acts that were signed. So I was really trying
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: to elevate. But I think that the game, man is
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: gonna be the game. Look at me, I'm young Burg,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I'm Iceberg, I'm hit maker. I got a documentary, I
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: got all types of stuff coming soon. So if you
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: stay in it long enough, man, you're gonna see a
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: lot man wrapping it all you miss it? Hell no, like,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: come on, like that shit is so like it's a
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: dangerous job. It's more dangerous than ever right now. And
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: then not only that, it's a self serving like probably
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: like an ego thing stroke ego. Why I would want
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: to do that right now or rap Like I honestly
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: want to be behind the people that's really doing it
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: and killing it because I've experienced it, and I think
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: that's not enough executives that have actually been artists before
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: and been on the other side to really know and
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: appreciate the artists and know where the artist is coming
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: from and actually being a trench is making a record
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: with him already did like and there's no bullshit. They
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: got one. And then niggas is the funniest niggas ever.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Like Yo, when y'all have a breakfast club. But RAYJ
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: and all them boy, y'all gonna it's gonna be. It's
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: going down in history. It's gonna be like Earth Goddy
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: drink Champs like it's gonna be. It's is a marketing genius.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: There's nothing dumb about ray J. Anybody who thinks that
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: it's a goddamn who Raj know it's exactly what he's
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: doing at all times. And I cannot wait to see
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: how he rolls out RSVP exactly. Now, what about a
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: one Bentley said, you don't make your own beats and
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: you rely on other producers like og Parkins Smash David.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: How you respond to that. I don't, I don't make this.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I'm a curate of everything. You know what I'm saying,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Like I come up with the ideas. I'm the person
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: that says, you know what, he's like, I want to,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I want to. I want to sample this,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: and I have a guy that replays everything for me,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: and it's similar to cater or I want to do
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: this and I want to do that, and I get
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: with the right people and I put the right people
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: in the room. I'll write the record with the people,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: as you can see on my Instagram or whatever. But
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I don't program beats. I'm not. I'm too av eight
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and like I want to, I want to do too
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: much to really sit down and like program beats. Have
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I program beats before? Absolutely? On songs that have came
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: out before. They have plaques to him. Absolutely, But when
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: you're working with this heavy valume or whatever, like no
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: one man could sit there and lie like, oh, I
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: did everything myself. So even if a person that programs beats,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: he didn't do everything. Timberland had danger and Scott Storch
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: and everything. So I think that that's the dirt day
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: thrown you when you get real successful and then it's like,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: well you don't do this and do that and shout
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: out to a one man hold on, you don't make
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: no beats at all, or you do make beats, You
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: just don't make all of you. No, what I do is,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: I'm the producer behind the whole session. I'm the person
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: that brings in everything. You know what I'm saying. I'm
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the like I'm the orchestrator. I'm the Quincy Jones and
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: this shit. You know what I'm saying. So I know
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: the right people to work with. I know the right
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: people to pull in. I know what drum loop I
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: want to use. I want to know what top line
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I want to use, What music did I want to
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: put behind this? I actually facilite. They don't sit there themselves.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: And like they've always said that about Diddy. Yeah, Kalid,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: you hear that about dred sometime since that's a great company. Shit,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I didn't put you in that company. Now, other people
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: you think I think that's important, Think about ol the
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: producers that were there. If it wasn't for Diddy, they
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have connected. Did he take this sample? Put this
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: the harmony? Did? But that's all that that he doesn't.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: And I was talking to Fat Joe and he was like,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: when it comes to that, you're a genius. You know
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: how to pull the beat where the hook should go.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: With a drop should go. He was like, people think
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: it's an easy job. But he was like, it's like
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: the weather. It's a talented producers too, Like you say,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: this person is really dope. I'm gonna put them on,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: put them in position, and get them a check and
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: then they could blow up too. Here's a quick example,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: because I want to give it back to Tink, like
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: forgive me a boogie, look back at it. The song
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: was six minutes long when they had it. I was
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: at a and R at the company and also a producer.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: They gave me a song. I went to Hawaii with boogie.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: He gave me all the foules. I shortened the song,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: added to snap and turned them to a three minute
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: and thirty second record and rearranged the whole song. And
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: that's the song that y'all got from a six minute record.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: So if that ain't producing, I don't know what producing is.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Do you care, Tink? If he doesn't do his own beats,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: it don't matter. I don't care. Well, you guys brought
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: up the song cater, So let's talk about that song.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Whose idea was that to do? I remember, first of all,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I love that song, and I love the idea of catering,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: you know, to somebody and give it being vulnerable enough
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: and trusting somebody enough, because it does take vulnerability and
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: trust to feel like I went to cater to you.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: So whose idea was it? How did that all come about?
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: With sampling cater And yeah, caterer was my idea. He
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: asked me, like, you know, what's the list of songs
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: that you want to you know, I guess sample or
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: reference on your album. Kada was the first one on
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: the list, and he actually brought the beat in the
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: next day. So when you mentioned like do you really care,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: it's really he really does. He plays a big part
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: and like making these records because he'll go out and
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: put a beat together in twenty four hours. Next day,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I went in the studio, I laid down the verses.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I wrote that one myself, so it kind of just failed,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: you know, I wrote it really quickly. But yeah, that's
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: how the record came about. Next day after I wrote it,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: he goes back in and as he and the drums
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and whistles, we call two chains. Um, yeah, two chains.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: He heard it. He loved it. It was real organic.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Who do you do to spoil your man? What I
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: do to spoil him. I like to buy gifts. I
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: like to take trips um at well, it's not that
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I'm paying, but I will ACCOMPLI come and like set
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: things up and you know it's it's equal love. Now,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: when we talked, I don't know what the secret that was.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Here yourtified first, that's your first. Yeah, she was so,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: she was like, no, this is big, y'all know, I'm
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: just a calm, chill girl. Thank you. I ain't no
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: man gonna pay for no trips. Once they see that
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: gold plaque, she's gonna cry in the car. Man about crying. Now,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: how do you know what a man is worthy to
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: be catered to? You know when he's worthy when he
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: actually shows you that he cares and he puts in
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: effort and it's not just I'll talk um. It takes time, No,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: it's nothing. You know, I'm not saying I'm catering the
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: first week, the first month. But you know, after a while,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: you gotta get to know somebody because, like I say,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: the honeymoon stage is real. So it takes time, and
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: you really gotta be around someone a lot to feel
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: them out and know what's genuine and what's you know,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: just to get to you. You know what I'm saying,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Like you'll cook for him and stuff like that. I'll
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: cook a lot of times though I'm really not even
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: like at home with like enough to make a meal.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: What's your what's your goal to you? I love to
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: make like I do this steak and I put it
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: in the oven and I add the potatoes. Listen, No,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: it's good. So it cooks like a roast and you
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: add the potatoes and then you want to put a
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: vegetable on the side of sparagus. Um, I might do
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: you know, we need a video? I would know. It's
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: so good. It's similar to like a roast, so it's
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: really tender and it just you know, it kind of
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: like just falls apart some of the to a roast. Yeah,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: now one of these times my favorite list of wanting
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: to see them, but mind the boy is mine? Yeah
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: that song? Yeah, I stamped with that song. Well we
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: put it together. It's speech that money log um. But
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: that record was it became a little issue, if we're
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: being honest, that was one of the harder records to clear. Really, yes,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I was sweating, Um, I guess on Brandy's side shout
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: out to Brandy, But it was like a process. We
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: had to have a few conversations and she had to
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: hear the record first, she had to hear read. Um.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it was just it was just like, you know,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: she wanted to really make sure that it was in
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: good hand. Yeah, and and to say to piggyback off
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: of that, Um, I've worked. You know, I've been close
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: to ray J for my whole career. I've been close
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: to Brandy my whole career, and um, you know, she's
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: very particular about people remixing, flipping or sampling her records.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Like I brought it to the studio before and I
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: was like playing records that I flipped at hers. This
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: is a few years back, and she was like, no,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: let me sing you my own records. So like, she's
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: very particular about that. But what I can say is that,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: you know, um, at the end of the day, it
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: made the jack and we really appreciate her, you know
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Because y'all get the head, tink and
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: money long do something for real, for real. I can't
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: see you're fighting over no man, Tink. I can't see
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: it either. I'm really not even like the types of
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: argue with nobody about no Man. I know, goofy. Y'all've
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: never seen me argue about no man. Well, I haven't
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: seen me argue in general, but you have got a
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: goofy though. Yeah, I'll admit that I can get crazy
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: about him and make a make a crazy decision. But
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I think arguing with another woman what I nobody backwards?
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: It's like the guys more of the issue than that woman.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: You never got a side, you know that guy? You
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: know I messed with him too. Yeah, I've had a
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: few dms. You can't respond, That's my thing. Like, if
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: you respond, you're gonna give them they're gonna have confirmation.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: So I don't say nothing like I say, I bring
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: it to the guy. You know what I'm saying somebody
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: else to Oh my god, I feel bad? What's this?
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: What would you say? Well, I don't know what you're
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: talking about, even know what you're talking about? Right, that's right,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: don't practice bad after Now, what's the most you ever
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: spent on him? Man, he's very into this for some reason.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I think the most maybe twenty twenty five. That's about jewelry. Um,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I liked to buy designer nice pieces, nice coats, jackets,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: you take it back when things don't go right. I
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: want to bad like that. I want so you think
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: about it in your head like I should never I
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: should never spend that. How does a guy kick it
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: to you? How do they meet you? Because you say
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: you don't go out this bud, so how do they
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: kick it to you? It happens on rare occasions. That's
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: the thing. I'm not an internet girl. Like, you have
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: to really see me outside, maybe you know, in passing
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: at an event. I don't know it's studio or you know,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you kind of That's why I said, you gotta really
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: be involved in this lifestyle to kind of meet me
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: because all I do is music. I don't have time
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: to really go to the clubs and every weekend. So yeah,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: it has to be like in passing, were occasion? Now
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: one of the songs did you say you wanted to flip?
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I want to hear some other ones that you put
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: on that list. What do we put on the last
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say too much of it, but what made it?
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: What songs so people know I know it's Kader made it.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: That was the first one. Of course, The Boy's Mind
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: was one also had a few records, Um did I
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: have like some TLC joints on there? Got a lot
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: of girl groups album I'm always trying. That's kind of
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: like knocking the boots. It's a little knocking the bolls.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I think I put Computer Love on there. I'm a
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: big fan of like old school nineties and TeV Wonder vibes.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: It's a little vibes on that. Yeah, it's like but
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: it's a sixteen It's sixteen tracks, So it's crazy with
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: this album, feel little talk coming. What does success look like?
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Football feel? That's a great question to me. Success. To me,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: success is what we're doing, like growing my audience, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's not even about like an
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  Speaker 1: amount or a bag. It's more so like reaching further
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  Speaker 1: than Chicago and what I've been doing. So I feel
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  Speaker 1: successful with the first album here at the moment we
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  Speaker 1: came with that one, I had no idea that it
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  Speaker 1: would be like, you know, number one on Apple and
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  Speaker 1: you know, we had some great moments within that record
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  Speaker 1: and it really lasted, you know what I'm saying. They
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  Speaker 1: really took to it. So with this one, I just
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  Speaker 1: want to keep progressing, like I want to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that I'm growing my audience and not just standing in
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  Speaker 1: one one lane about you. For me, honestly, it's just
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  Speaker 1: doing whatever I can and make sure that she received
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  Speaker 1: every flower she deserves, you know, and whatever it means
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  Speaker 1: carrying the bags, you know what I'm saying, producing a
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  Speaker 1: song right in there, sitting on the phone for two
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  Speaker 1: hours while we talk about things game playing and sitting
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  Speaker 1: with guys, he flying across country, anything, being at the
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  Speaker 1: breakfast club. I just want to make sure that she
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  Speaker 1: gets the proper look that she needs because she's a
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  Speaker 1: She's a gem to the music business, as is just
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  Speaker 1: in general in life for real. And I will say too.
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  Speaker 1: He's also helped me. You know, I've never really had
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  Speaker 1: a big, big radio record. Ketter is doing well. It's
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  Speaker 1: really it's about twenty top twenty. So that's that's success
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  Speaker 1: for me. You know, that's different. That's something different outside
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  Speaker 1: of what I've been on because I'm not crazy too
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  Speaker 1: crazy about like, man, I need to have a radio record.
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  Speaker 1: But when he came around, he was like, you know, embody,
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  Speaker 1: embrace radio and how I'm you know, pushing come and
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  Speaker 1: see everybody. I'm so grateful for that, Like top twenty
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  Speaker 1: that's that's rare for me too. So and we your
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  Speaker 1: first go platform congratulate. That's heavy independently, y'all. This is
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  Speaker 1: a big deal. It's speaking of doing stuff like this.
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  Speaker 1: You know you always let your guard down in your music.
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  Speaker 1: Are you letting your guard down more when you sit
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: down and have these conversations? Yeah, exactly. And that's why
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: I say, like having somebody like Himmaker, he'll be in
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  Speaker 1: my air, like, you know, certain things you want to do,
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  Speaker 1: and it's okay to open up and talk to the
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: executives and talk to the you know, is it the
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  Speaker 1: prs and yeah, things like that. I think it's important
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  Speaker 1: I come from that cloud from being an artist. I
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: think that a lot of people get caught in the
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: streaming error right now where artists up and come in
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  Speaker 1: or just new to the game, but will be like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm streaming, so I don't give a fuck. I don't
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  Speaker 1: need to talk to nobody like this. I'm putting money
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  Speaker 1: in my pocket. But I'm a prime example that relationships
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  Speaker 1: in this business last forever. So you want to make
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  Speaker 1: sure you reach out and get very like personable with
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  Speaker 1: people because you never know what they might be able
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  Speaker 1: to do for you or what you might be able
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  Speaker 1: to do for them. It's a very relationship based, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying business, And I'm super super proud
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  Speaker 1: of her man because she you know, from where we
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  Speaker 1: started to where we're at right now, it's just truly
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  Speaker 1: a blessing. And now we're about to take the shit
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  Speaker 1: even all the way to the top four man hit Nick,
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you're staying in the next to think like this, man,
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  Speaker 1: Ron of applaud you because think the ship. She's been
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  Speaker 1: the ship and the best is yet to come for her.
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  Speaker 1: And he's glad to trust me. Since you're brought up
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: relationships and things like that, there's what about sisterhood when
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: it comes to the music, what women would you feel like? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: these are people that I know I could call on.
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  Speaker 1: This is who I would love to do a tour
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  Speaker 1: with or collaborate more with. You know, I want to
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  Speaker 1: go on tour or even do a record with Summer Walker.
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  Speaker 1: At times, people really have been like trying so hard
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  Speaker 1: to like they put me in they put all of
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  Speaker 1: us against each other so much, or they just compare us.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that would be really dope. I like,
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  Speaker 1: what she does, and I love her music. Um, there's
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: plenty artists in the game, especially R and B. We
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: got like Ari Lennox. She's very special. Her voice is crazy. Scissor,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, says that we always like commenting.
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  Speaker 1: Little things like that go a long way. Sometimes just
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  Speaker 1: showing that support, like I see you girl, you look good,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: and you know, the subtle things make a big difference
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: in this game. They all back you up. Siss I've
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: seen Scissor Kardi JT from the City Girl Kardi. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was that was very big. I think maybe a
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: year ago CHRDI just made a statement like yo, it's
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: time and you know, we gotta stop just stop playing
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  Speaker 1: with her. She really putting it in work. It was
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: something to that degree. So that's big, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like women were sold like competitive and it's
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: so easy for y'all guys to link up and make
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  Speaker 1: make things happen. But yeah, I'm all for the women uniting.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I would love it going or with all
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  Speaker 1: those girls. All right, let's get into the single. What
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  Speaker 1: y'all want to hear? Yeah, yeah, let's let's let's take
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  Speaker 1: ye top twenty. You know what I'm saying, let's keep
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  Speaker 1: ka going and then goofy coming right after this. You
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  Speaker 1: know what's appreciate you for real? Well, let's do it.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: It's hit maker when when talking fellow talk, Yeah, August
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  Speaker 1: nineteen August, next Friday, is anything you want to manifest
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  Speaker 1: to lie about and throw out there? Now? Man, I'm lie.
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  Speaker 1: He said he had to deal. That's how he got
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: the manifestation. Umok, probably was a negotiation. No, I didn't lie.
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  Speaker 1: I was talking to people and then it happened that way. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I just want to manifest. Tink is triple platinum, right
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  Speaker 1: platinum tin platform guys, he running back and congratulation. All right,
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  Speaker 1: it's hit maker. It's Tink is to breakfast love the
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  Speaker 1: Boy