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BRIAN LAUNDRIE SPOTTED? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Gabby Petito so called boyfriend Brian Laundry still on the run.
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Speaker 1: Where is he in the last twenty four hours? A
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Speaker 1: credible sighting on the Appalachian Trail. This as more body
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Speaker 1: camp footage is uncovered from the MOAP police. Wow, why
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Speaker 1: wasn't that released two or three weeks ago? Why are
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Speaker 1: we just getting it now? Was there a cover up?
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Speaker 1: Because it reveals Gabby had a burning cut, a gash
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Speaker 1: to her face, and bruises on her left arm. Nobody
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Speaker 1: heard that. At the Get Go Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Not only do we have the signing on the Appalachian Trail,
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Speaker 1: the brand new body camp footage, but also we are
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Speaker 1: now learning the sister has more contact with Brian Laundry
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Speaker 1: than she first revealed. Where is Brian Laundry? We are
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Speaker 1: live from Florida, We are live at the Appalachian Trail.
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Speaker 1: We are alive on peace at Peace River. Guys, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. I'm Nancy Grace, this scribe stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us at Fox Nation and
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Speaker 1: Sirius XM one eleven regarding that new signing of Brian
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Speaker 1: Laundry at Appalachian Trail, listen to this and I was
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Speaker 1: coming up from Florida on Friday, dude hiking the Appalachian Trail.
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Speaker 1: I got up here to the North Carolina See area
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Speaker 1: at about twelve thirty so early Saturday morning. I was
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Speaker 1: marking my car at a parking lot where we were
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Speaker 1: going to be leaving our car. And I passed the
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Speaker 1: parking lot, so I was doing a U turn to
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Speaker 1: go back to it. And as I was doing that
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Speaker 1: U turn, a vehicle approach from behind me. The vehicle
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Speaker 1: let me go ahead and finish my U turn, And
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Speaker 1: as I was driving up to that vehicle, the gentleman
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Speaker 1: in the vehicle stuck his hand out and kind of
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Speaker 1: waved me down. I pulled up alongside of the vehicle.
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Speaker 1: It was it looked like a four to f one
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Speaker 1: fifty truck. It was white. I was in a car,
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Speaker 1: so I was lower than the vehicle. I wrote, rolled
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Speaker 1: my window down, and I started talking with the gentleman.
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Speaker 1: I could tell right away that he wasn't something wasn't
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Speaker 1: right with him. Dennis Davis, the hiker who made the identification,
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Speaker 1: joining us. That sound from him, but I want you
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Speaker 1: to hear more sound from him. Take a listen. It
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Speaker 1: took him a second to get anything out, and then
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Speaker 1: he said, man, I'm lost, and I thought, you know,
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Speaker 1: I was kind of lost myself. I thought maybe he
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Speaker 1: was another hiker looking for the same part. And I said, well,
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Speaker 1: I'm not from around here, but where are you trying
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Speaker 1: to what are you trying to find? And he said, man,
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Speaker 1: I need to go to California. And I was like, wow, well,
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Speaker 1: I don't know the directions to California, but he said yeah.
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Speaker 1: He said, me and my girlfriend had a fight and man,
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Speaker 1: I love her and she called me and I need
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Speaker 1: to go out in California to see her. And I said, well, man,
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Speaker 1: I forty is right there. We were right next to
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Speaker 1: High forty and I said, you can take High forty
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Speaker 1: west in California and he said no. He said, I
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Speaker 1: think this road said we're on. I'm just going to
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Speaker 1: take it to California. And that was Waterville Road. Waterville
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Speaker 1: Road right a long Pigeon river as I recall. Let
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Speaker 1: me introduce you an all star panel helping us make
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Speaker 1: sense of what we know right now. Dell Carson, high
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Speaker 1: profile lawyer joining us from Florida and former fit an
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Speaker 1: agent with the FBI, author of a rest Proof Yourself
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Speaker 1: You can find him at Dell Carson Law dot com.
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Speaker 1: Founder and ATROM the Coldcase Research Institute. Cheryl McCollum is
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Speaker 1: joining us. You can find her at Coldcase Crimes dot org.
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My
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Speaker 1: Feet at Star and host of his own new podcast,
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Speaker 1: Bodybags with Joe Scott Morgan. Also with Me Massa's Side
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Speaker 1: special guest investigative reporter WFLATV. But first I want to
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Speaker 1: go to Mike Hatsell, President, Founder, Peace River Canine Search
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Speaker 1: and Rescue PR SAAR dot org. Mike, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. What do you know, Well, we were
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Speaker 1: working with dog all week out there Fort de Soto.
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Speaker 1: We know that for the family members were out there,
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Speaker 1: three of them came back. We don't believe that Brian
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Speaker 1: was with them on the return, unless he was hiding
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Speaker 1: in the camper or in the sisters trunk to avoid
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Speaker 1: the camp foot is going in and album. Wait, whoa, whoa, woa,
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Speaker 1: whoa Wait a minute, you say you know for family members,
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Speaker 1: I assume you're referring to the Laundry family, and that
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Speaker 1: would be the mother, the father, the sister, and Brian
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Speaker 1: Laundry went into DeSoto? Is that correct? Correct? And you
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Speaker 1: say you know only three left? I assume that's the mother,
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Speaker 1: the father, and the sister. Is that correct? Correct? How
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Speaker 1: do you know that? According to the intelligence gathered from
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Speaker 1: mister Bowney hunter what he brought in and there's cam
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Speaker 1: footage and they have people going in and out of there.
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Speaker 1: Apparently that has been reviewed. Interesting. Do they have Mike
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Speaker 1: hat tell everyone joining us president founder piece every K
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Speaker 1: nine Search and Rescue. I'm gonna get to your dog
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Speaker 1: in just a moment, Mike again, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us at Dosto. Do they have a camera set
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Speaker 1: up where people go in and out? There's cams all
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Speaker 1: over the place out there. I'm glad to hear that.
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Speaker 1: So I can only assume the FEDS know who went
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Speaker 1: in and who went out? Are you certain about four
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Speaker 1: and three out the intelligence that we got on the
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Speaker 1: briefing for the search, that's what we received. Wow, And
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Speaker 1: that's when the family packed up and left. Was it
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Speaker 1: September eleven that they checked in six? Yeah, it was
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Speaker 1: earlier on in the month. That's great. Earlier in the month, Okay,
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Speaker 1: because reportedly he was sighted after that. Mike cat Sell
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that sighting is correct. I agree
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Speaker 1: with you because you know you driver in your neighborhood
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Speaker 1: and you see things. Are you always sure which day
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Speaker 1: it was? Which day did you drive buy and see
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Speaker 1: the the trash chill at the end of the driveway,
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Speaker 1: or the newspapers biled up at somebody's house. Was it Monday?
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Speaker 1: Was it Wednesday? You know you saw it, but what
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Speaker 1: day did you see? At very good point, tell me
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Speaker 1: about your dogs. I remember seeing your dogs during tire
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Speaker 1: king and they were doing an incredible job. Tell me
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Speaker 1: about what, if any in all but your dogs have
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Speaker 1: had in the search for Brian laundry. Well, what we've
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Speaker 1: done is when we were contacted by Dogs Organization to
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Speaker 1: assist and searching these outer islands and if we could
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Speaker 1: supply can out and support and of course in our
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Speaker 1: organization will help if we can. And we're nonprofit, No
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Speaker 1: one gets paid where we're at. We do this just
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Speaker 1: to assist and we went out to help them with
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Speaker 1: the islands. Now, the islands out there, we have a
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Speaker 1: lot of experience with this. We have teams that search
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Speaker 1: on the islands quite a bit, especially for missing kids.
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Speaker 1: Some of them go out there to hurt themselves. So
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Speaker 1: we're pretty experienced about this and we were ready to
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Speaker 1: do this and use the dogs. Now, the dogs are
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Speaker 1: trained on air scent, human air scent, and they will
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Speaker 1: work from the boat, and like I said, we'll get
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Speaker 1: on the down wind side of the islands. If they
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Speaker 1: throw an alert, then we'll beach the boat and we'll
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Speaker 1: send a team in and take a look and see
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Speaker 1: what's there. And that is how we located a couple
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Speaker 1: of the camps that we found in there in the
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Speaker 1: on the Ford de Soto area. Question Mike Hazell joining me, President,
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Speaker 1: Founder Piece River Canine Search and Rescue. Do you believe
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Speaker 1: you found evidence that Brian Laundry had been there? You know,
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Speaker 1: we found evidence that someone's been out there. There's no
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Speaker 1: way to tie up to Brian at this point, so
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Speaker 1: I would be it would be intellectually dishonest to say
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Speaker 1: that we do it is Brian. Okay, let me ask
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Speaker 1: you another question. Do you have reason to believe he's
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Speaker 1: still out there? No, I don't think he's still out there.
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Speaker 1: I think he was out there, but I think he's
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Speaker 1: gone now. I think that's very astute of you. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I want to go from Mike Hatzel joining us, who
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Speaker 1: has been out in and on the water all around
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Speaker 1: De Soto with his dogs looking for any human. I
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Speaker 1: call them island ets or islets. They're they're very small,
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Speaker 1: but they are land formations up to some degree off
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Speaker 1: the I hate to say, a coast, but off the
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Speaker 1: inland of Desto where the parents went, we believe. With
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Speaker 1: the sister and Brian Laurendry, I'm coming right back to
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Speaker 1: you my hat sil Crime Stories with Nancy Grace First
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Speaker 1: joining me from the Appalachian Trail. Cheryl McCollum, Cheryl Poltie
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Speaker 1: Massa said, joining me, special guest investigative reporter w FLA TV.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about the tip from this guy, Dennis Davis
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Speaker 1: on the Appalachian Trail. What does he say happened? Massa? So,
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Speaker 1: Dennis Davis the Florida residence, says that it was just
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Speaker 1: past weekend, Saturday, around midnight, so obviously it's going to
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Speaker 1: be dark. He says that he saw a pickup truck
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Speaker 1: and immediately, like when he starts to talk with this man,
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Speaker 1: he thought maybe the guy was on drugs. At first,
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Speaker 1: what something was off with this man? And he got
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Speaker 1: to talking to the guy, and he said, me and
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Speaker 1: my girlfriend had a fight, and apparently, as you heard
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Speaker 1: off the top of the show, he wanted to take
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Speaker 1: the back roads to California. Now, after this happened, after
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Speaker 1: this kind of strange conversation happened, he stopped. He googles
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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, and he says that he is ninety five
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Speaker 1: percent sure that he just had a conversation with Brian Laundry.
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Speaker 1: So he calls that CI. He calls multiple LA enforcement agencies,
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Speaker 1: including the Haywood County Sheriff's Office. Now, the Sheriff's office
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Speaker 1: says that they looked into this and it did not
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Speaker 1: quote lead to any new information. But Nancy, they also
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Speaker 1: had ten more sightings this weekend of their Okay, wait,
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Speaker 1: what did you do that? Ten more signings on the
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Speaker 1: Appalachian Trail? Is that what you're talking about? Massa on
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Speaker 1: the Appalachian Trail? So yeah, Haywood County telling outlets they've
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Speaker 1: had ten additional sightings so in and around Haywood County
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Speaker 1: since that would be their jurisdiction. Ten additional signing. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's go to the Appalachian Trail. Cheryl McCollum, you and
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Speaker 1: I have hiked the Appalachian Trail. It is some rugged
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Speaker 1: terrain once you get into it, I mean right there
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Speaker 1: at the trailhead and look say hey, no big deal.
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Speaker 1: After about twelve fifteen minutes you realize it's very rugged.
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Speaker 1: Let's analyze what this guy said. First of all, Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: I want you to tell me what you see and
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Speaker 1: whether this story by Davis is possible. If it is,
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Speaker 1: I'd like to know where Brian Laendry got a white
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Speaker 1: pickup truck. Did his parents give it to him, his sister.
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Speaker 1: That's the first we've heard of that. And why would
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Speaker 1: anybody be so stupid if they know the whole country's
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Speaker 1: looking for them for him, Why would he say where
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Speaker 1: he's going? It just doesn't make sense. But you tell
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Speaker 1: me what you think, Cheryl McCallum, you're there on the scene. Well,
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Speaker 1: right now it is raining. Fall of course is in activity.
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Speaker 1: It makes them much more difficult to traverse the pathways
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Speaker 1: and the hiking trails. Literally walk, he walked maybe ten
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Speaker 1: feet can you hear me now? Okay? Walk? Literally he
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Speaker 1: walked into the woodline about ten feet ahead of me,
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Speaker 1: and I lost visual with him just that quick. It's
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Speaker 1: that dense right now. Like I said, it's raining. The
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Speaker 1: smoke on top of the mountain, that fog is hanging
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Speaker 1: real heavy. Once we get more to the top, visibility
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Speaker 1: is almost zero. So it's you know, it's a perfect
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Speaker 1: place to hide. I'm telling you you, if you get
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Speaker 1: off the trail not even ten feet, nobody can see you.
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Speaker 1: Now where he allegedly got a truck, I have no idea,
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Speaker 1: but I will tell you, in my opinion, the biggest
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Speaker 1: difference in the Appalachian Trail in Florida is mountain folks
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Speaker 1: ain't talking. I tried to talk to an old mountain
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Speaker 1: woman last night and she told me, you hit that
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Speaker 1: gravel road with no sign. It's it ain't none of
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Speaker 1: your business. Okay, I'm just soaking in your vernacular. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I want to talk to doctor Bethany Marshall joining us.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, I know that Dell Carson and Cheryl McCollum
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Speaker 1: are going to know exactly what I'm talking about. I've
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Speaker 1: had so many defendants, so many targets, so many codefendants,
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Speaker 1: so many suspects start talking, and when they start talking,
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Speaker 1: almost always, I thought it was anecdotal at first, but
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Speaker 1: then I noticed it over and over and over. I'm
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Speaker 1: talking thousands, thousands, over ten thousand witnesses and or defendants.
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Speaker 1: They'll start talking and they weave a little bit of
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Speaker 1: the truth into their lie, their story. I guess too,
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Speaker 1: because they can't think fast enough to come up with
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Speaker 1: an entirely new story, or it helps them with their
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Speaker 1: story they don't have to think so much. But this
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Speaker 1: guy that was spotted by Dennis Davis, who was at
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Speaker 1: a trailhead there in Tennessee on the North Carolina line,
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Speaker 1: exactly where Cheryl McCollum is right now. This guy said,
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Speaker 1: I had a fight with my girlfriend, but I love
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Speaker 1: her and I've got to I want to go back
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Speaker 1: out west to her. Think about it. A girlfriend at
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Speaker 1: West had a fight separated. That's a lot of detail,
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Speaker 1: would you agree, Nancy, is a lot of detail. It's
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Speaker 1: a strange confessional. I think sometimes these perpetrators, they have
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Speaker 1: gone over the story so many times in their mind,
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Speaker 1: they have altered the details to their own favor, their
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Speaker 1: own benefit. It's as if they're already in front of
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Speaker 1: a judge or jewelry, or in a room with a
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Speaker 1: detective questioning them, and they're lining up the story just
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Speaker 1: so it is foremost on their mind, and is this
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Speaker 1: was Brian Laundry. He had rehearsed the story. So yes,
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Speaker 1: with these perfect treators, there's a strange kind of confessional.
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Speaker 1: But Nancy, there's always one detail they change, and you
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Speaker 1: usually the detail that the exactly what happens. We're hearing
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall Psycho Alice to the Stars joining us
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Speaker 1: out of Beverly, out of La Star of Bleeding Empire
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Speaker 1: on Netflix, Cheryl, what about it? There's no doubt in
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Speaker 1: my mind, Nancy, that if he has any conversations with anyone,
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Speaker 1: whether he's in Barida, the Appalata Trail, anywhere, he's going
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Speaker 1: to have what we call leakage, he's going to say
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Speaker 1: some things that are absolutely true and accurate. It also
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Speaker 1: sounds to me like if that gentleman did have a
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Speaker 1: conversation with Brian Laundry, that Brian is having some types
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Speaker 1: of psychotic episodes. Okay, Cheryl, I'm sorry, but when did
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Speaker 1: you get your psychiatric degree? Nancy, I absolutely do not
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Speaker 1: have one. Alm. Okay, so why are you saying psychic
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Speaker 1: psychotic episode? You know I've been doing this all these years.
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Speaker 1: I'm not totally sure I understand what it'sychotic episode is.
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Speaker 1: It sounds to me like this guy wanted directions and
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Speaker 1: it's called c YA. That's a technical legal term psychotic episode.
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Speaker 1: My rear end, what are you talking about? Psychotic episode?
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Speaker 1: He could still drive, he could still lie, he could
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Speaker 1: still act for ask for directions. He could also have
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Speaker 1: the wherewith all to say, you know what I hear
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Speaker 1: you're saying to take I forty, But I'm just gonna
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Speaker 1: stick right here along the Pigeon River. That doesn't sound
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Speaker 1: psychotic to me. He said he got a phone call
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Speaker 1: from Gabby. He's talking about Lord and meeting her. That
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Speaker 1: would be a lie. Okay, doctor McCollum, I'll circle back
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Speaker 1: with you on that, Joe Scott. Let's try to distance
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Speaker 1: ourselves from Cheryl McCollums psychiatric diagnosis and talk about what
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Speaker 1: we know regarding forensics. What do we know regarding forensics?
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Speaker 1: And I'm also going to get into the sister and
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Speaker 1: the parents, are any of them facing charges? But first
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Speaker 1: its sighting this signing along with ten others on the
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Speaker 1: Appalachian Trail. Yeah, you know, I'm thinking about that ten people,
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Speaker 1: and I'm wondering. I'm wondering is this just people kind
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Speaker 1: of chiming in and say, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: think I saw him as well, Yeah yeah, Because you know,
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Speaker 1: everybody's kind of in this hyper vigilant state right now
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Speaker 1: where they're looking and you can see shadows right, It's
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Speaker 1: like it's like being terrified of something and automatically you're
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Speaker 1: seeing ghosts and goblins everywhere. You don't know if this
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Speaker 1: is actually Ran laundry, But listen, from an investigator standpoint,
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Speaker 1: the police are compelled to follow up on each one
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Speaker 1: of these leads because it's the one lead that you
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Speaker 1: don't follow up on that winds up getting you burn. Now,
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Speaker 1: is he up there? I have no idea crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Let's look at the totality of the
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Speaker 1: circumstances as we know them. I'm gonna throw this to
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Speaker 1: Dell Carson, former FBI agent, high profile lawyer now out
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Speaker 1: of Jacksonville. You just heard Mike had Cell right, And
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Speaker 1: I know who Mike Hadsell is. I've seen his dogs
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Speaker 1: in action. He says he doesn't think Brian Laundry is
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Speaker 1: anywhere near De Soto anymore. He thinks he was there,
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Speaker 1: but he's not there. Anymore. We don't think he's in
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Speaker 1: Carlton Reserve anymore. Okay, take that, put that in in
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Speaker 1: your computer. Del Carson. Let's add to that he's hiked
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Speaker 1: the Appalachian Shell before. We know criminals always go back
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Speaker 1: to where they're comfortable. Scott Peters went out on the
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Speaker 1: water to dump a body. It's happens over and over.
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Speaker 1: A guy goes, jumps bond. Where is he. He's hiding
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Speaker 1: under the bed at Mommy's house. He's familiar with it,
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Speaker 1: he's comfortable with it. Laundry has hied the Appalation trail before,
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Speaker 1: he's comfortable with it. So we've got he's not down
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Speaker 1: at Carlton Reserve, He's not at DeSoto. So where is he?
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Speaker 1: He's hiped Appelaian Shell before. Here's the guy giving this
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Speaker 1: statement about his conversation with a Brian Laundry lookalike, and
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Speaker 1: then ten other sightings. What do you think, Neal Carson? Well,
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Speaker 1: I agree with Joe that it's just people saying, well,
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Speaker 1: I think I saw him too. Oh okay, do you
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Speaker 1: remember that skit that Carson used to do. I vaguely
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Speaker 1: remember it. It was called the Mighty Karnak. Remember he
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Speaker 1: could read people's minds. So from where you're sitting in
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Speaker 1: your luxurious office in Jacksonville, I guess, looking out over
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Speaker 1: the river and your leather turnaround chair, you have divined
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Speaker 1: that all these people were mistaken. Is that right, Doll Carson?
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Speaker 1: I'm impressed. Yeah, listen, I think he's still in the
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Speaker 1: Florida area. But when we look at the sisters now
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Speaker 1: involved in potentially transporting him, the family's clearly involved with
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Speaker 1: having something to do with transporting him. But under Florida law,
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Speaker 1: and unless they know he's guilty of a crime or
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Speaker 1: been charged with a crime, you can't charge them with
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Speaker 1: aiding and abetting. So then it becomes a time lie,
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Speaker 1: old don Let's talk about the law in Florida. I've
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Speaker 1: been doing a little research on the law in Florida
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Speaker 1: and I came upon Florida's Statute seven seven seven dot
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Speaker 1: O three, and it discusses how there are certain exemptions
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Speaker 1: for family members that try to help out another family
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Speaker 1: member in trouble with the law. And it's very clear
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Speaker 1: to me, if the market is charged with murder one
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Speaker 1: or murder two, that's not going to fly, all right.
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Speaker 1: You can't help out somebody facilitate them in a crime.
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Speaker 1: That's a lot different from giving your son sustenance, giving
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Speaker 1: him money, giving him food, letting him borrow a vehicle.
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Speaker 1: They're not going to go to jail for that. But
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Speaker 1: if they lied to police, to the Feds, that is
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Speaker 1: a crime. Delle Carson, Absolutely it is. And I'd love
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Speaker 1: to know the conversation that occurred when they put the
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Speaker 1: Landry parents in that police vehicle where there's no expectation
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Speaker 1: of privacy and they're conversing between themselves with nobody else
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Speaker 1: in the car. Well, I've got a pretty good idea
21:49
Speaker 1: what they said, Dell Carson. I don't think they said
21:52
Speaker 1: a thing. And Cheryl McCom I'll tell you why. Under
21:55
Speaker 1: our law, as you know, Cheryl, from all the crimes
21:59
Speaker 1: you processed, no one has a duty to help police.
22:02
Speaker 1: You don't have to save somebody, you don't have to
22:05
Speaker 1: give police information. That's not your duty. And if you
22:08
Speaker 1: choose not to speak, you're not going to go to jail.
22:12
Speaker 1: But once you lie, you're going to jail. Once you
22:16
Speaker 1: lie to police and an investigation, it's obstruction. If they
22:20
Speaker 1: spoke to their lawyer, and I bet they did, I'm
22:23
Speaker 1: sure he said just don't say anything. You notice when
22:27
Speaker 1: the press asked them questions, they never comment, They never
22:30
Speaker 1: say a word. I bet they do the same thing
22:32
Speaker 1: with the cops, because that way they didn't lie, and
22:36
Speaker 1: that way they're not on hook. Absolutely right. The sister, however,
22:41
Speaker 1: did speak, and the sister said, I haven't spoken to it.
22:45
Speaker 1: I had had a france to speak to him at all.
22:47
Speaker 1: And we know now for a fact that's a lie,
22:50
Speaker 1: even though we believed it was a lie. Cheryl, she
22:53
Speaker 1: said that on GMA. You can lie all you want
22:56
Speaker 1: to to GMA and it's not a crime. Okay, it's
23:00
Speaker 1: a crime if you tell that to cops. We don't
23:02
Speaker 1: know that she said that to cops, do we I
23:04
Speaker 1: have a little bit of wait. I think I hear
23:07
Speaker 1: Massa said jumping in, Go ahead, Massa, jump in. So
23:09
Speaker 1: the attorney texted me regarding that GMA interview and what
23:13
Speaker 1: the sister said about, you know, not having spoken with them,
23:16
Speaker 1: And the attorney said, part of his text said, quote
23:20
Speaker 1: any prior communication. Oh I'm sorry, it says quote law
23:24
Speaker 1: enforcement agencies are well aware of these dates. So the
23:29
Speaker 1: attorney saying that law enforcement knows that Katsey saw Brian
23:33
Speaker 1: on September first, when Brian stopped by Kathy's house, and
23:37
Speaker 1: the attorney saying that law enforcement knows that Kassie saw
23:40
Speaker 1: Brian of forts Asda Park on September six. So that
23:44
Speaker 1: sounds to me from reading that text message, that she
23:48
Speaker 1: did talk with law enforcement and gave them those dates,
23:51
Speaker 1: because the attorney again says, quote, law enforcement agencies are
23:55
Speaker 1: well aware of these dates. Hey Nates Again, I did
23:58
Speaker 1: add one more thing. He don't know for sure. He
24:02
Speaker 1: don't know for sure that Brian Laundry has ever spoken
24:06
Speaker 1: with met with or faith time with that lawyer. I
24:09
Speaker 1: don't think they've ever met, because I think he was
24:11
Speaker 1: long gone. I want to circle back to Mike Hatzel,
24:15
Speaker 1: president founder Peace River CA nine Search and Rescue. When
24:18
Speaker 1: you say that you're convinced Brian Laundry as no longer
24:23
Speaker 1: anywhere near De Soto where they can't we can't with
24:26
Speaker 1: his family or the islets on the I want to say, coastline,
24:32
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay, thank you, Tampa Bay. Are you so convinced
24:37
Speaker 1: he's either never been there on those islets or has
24:42
Speaker 1: been there and left. Um, well, we saw out there.
24:45
Speaker 1: It's not as big an area as vast as you think.
24:48
Speaker 1: And there were a lot of reports, and I will
24:50
Speaker 1: say a lot of tips came in and reports that
24:52
Speaker 1: Brian Landry. They had seen Brian in and around Tampa
24:55
Speaker 1: Bay UH and Saint Petersburg and and of course a dog.
25:02
Speaker 1: The bounty hunter his crew was following up on all
25:04
Speaker 1: those as well. So these tips just keep rolling in
25:07
Speaker 1: and Appalachia seems too far from me. The camps that
25:12
Speaker 1: we found out there were old, they weren't fresh, so
25:15
Speaker 1: he may have been there and then left. If we
25:19
Speaker 1: know that mom bought burner phones, we don't know if
25:22
Speaker 1: the sister or the daughter bought burner phones. Why are
25:25
Speaker 1: you so convinced that they bought burner phones? Because Massa
25:28
Speaker 1: Saiedi joining us w FLATV. They're saying the laundes. You're
25:33
Speaker 1: saying Brian lost his phone, the one he had been
25:37
Speaker 1: using up until the point that he got home. Somebody
25:41
Speaker 1: had to text mom and say, hey, I'm coming home,
25:45
Speaker 1: Gabby's not with me because she made that reservation for three.
25:49
Speaker 1: She changed it from two to three. The mom did,
25:51
Speaker 1: according to reports, so he had to be communicating with
25:55
Speaker 1: them and then he lost it. According to them, they
25:57
Speaker 1: bought another regular self, not a Burner September fourth, Yes,
26:01
Speaker 1: on September fourth, at and T phone purchase for They
26:05
Speaker 1: know that, they know that mom bought, But what's the
26:09
Speaker 1: daughter been doing? And our concern and our focus is
26:13
Speaker 1: that the daughter lives in Lakewood Ranch, which is only
26:15
Speaker 1: thirty minutes from Fort to Soto Park. Interesting point, why
26:19
Speaker 1: are you so convinced that Burner finds were purchased? Well,
26:22
Speaker 1: I don't know. We don't know, but we don't know
26:25
Speaker 1: that we don't know either. I've never no one's been
26:27
Speaker 1: focusing on the daughter and Brian's sister. We should be
26:32
Speaker 1: looking at her, and she would be a perfect source
26:36
Speaker 1: of supplied that she could drive out there at any time,
26:38
Speaker 1: thirty minutes away, drop off a bag of food by
26:41
Speaker 1: a roadside somewhere and say, hey, Brian, I dropped off
26:44
Speaker 1: some supplies for you, and we'll go back home. And
26:47
Speaker 1: who would miss her? Question? Do you mind has still
26:49
Speaker 1: Do you believe he's still in the Florida area? I do.
26:52
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think everyone has overestimated his wilderness skills,
26:57
Speaker 1: and being a guy who trains people for wilderness skills,
27:01
Speaker 1: I just I just don't buy it. Nancy, I have to.
27:05
Speaker 1: I'm gonna chime in and concur with Mike here. I
27:07
Speaker 1: gotta tell you so, Okay, I agree with both of you.
27:09
Speaker 1: I don't think he's made it to the Appalachian Trail.
27:11
Speaker 1: Still go back to this idea that it would have
27:14
Speaker 1: been very easy. Remember that camping site number one that
27:17
Speaker 1: had the beach area. I still believe that he could
27:20
Speaker 1: have launched from there in a kayak, maybe a small
27:22
Speaker 1: kayak that his parents had purchased at a big box store,
27:25
Speaker 1: or maybe now the sister who knows he hops out
27:28
Speaker 1: there to those islands, and this is the thing. From
27:31
Speaker 1: that point, From that point, he could easily get in
27:34
Speaker 1: to the Saint Pete or to the Tampa area and
27:37
Speaker 1: just walk on foot. I still think that there is
27:39
Speaker 1: a high probability he could be within the homeless community
27:42
Speaker 1: in those areas, because you can blend in, you can
27:45
Speaker 1: live under a bridge, you can live at a shelter,
27:47
Speaker 1: you can change your appearance just slightly, and nobody's gonna
27:50
Speaker 1: mess with you. They have bigger fish to fry with
27:53
Speaker 1: local crimes as opposed to look into this. And when
27:56
Speaker 1: you get into the homeless population, which as an investigator,
27:59
Speaker 1: I have spent a considerable amount of point at a
28:02
Speaker 1: time in everything just becomes kind of blended. You lose
28:06
Speaker 1: sight of things. It's like a huge jigsaw puzzle, and
28:09
Speaker 1: so it's very very confusing. Yeah, you could see him
28:11
Speaker 1: up on the Appalachian Trail, or maybe he's gone to
28:14
Speaker 1: Cuba and all these other things. But just from a
28:15
Speaker 1: practical standpoint, why that part, why water access and those
28:20
Speaker 1: little keys out there, those little islets or whatever the
28:23
Speaker 1: phraseology is. He could hop to these population centers and
28:27
Speaker 1: then then you have major interstates. If he decides to
28:31
Speaker 1: hop on one of those, it can be gone. What
28:34
Speaker 1: is kayaking that you just made up? I didn't make that? Well,
28:37
Speaker 1: I think that, no, I think. But I also don't
28:41
Speaker 1: know that he has a white truck either, you know,
28:44
Speaker 1: So where does that come from? Okay, that's in. That's
28:47
Speaker 1: a whole other can of arms. You said kayak. All right,
28:51
Speaker 1: so now you're it's so easier to quote hop on
28:55
Speaker 1: the interstate. How where is he getting a vehicle? I
28:57
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe again, here there's another wild one for you.
29:01
Speaker 1: If you like that one, here's another one. I still
29:03
Speaker 1: think that somebody could have gotten in my bicycle. He
29:05
Speaker 1: puts a helmet on he's going down back roads, Nancy,
29:09
Speaker 1: and he's avoiding contact. Glad you're not my witness on
29:12
Speaker 1: the stand right now, because you've just gone wild. You've
29:15
Speaker 1: gone a rogue. Jesse Scott just started starting right now. Kayak,
29:21
Speaker 1: a vehicle, a bicycle. Okay, hey, Nancy, let me jump in,
29:27
Speaker 1: help me save me from Jessica Morgan. Quick, I'm going
29:31
Speaker 1: to sugar. We can talk all day, but he doesn't
29:34
Speaker 1: have these skills that he's not at the right level
29:36
Speaker 1: to traverse the Appalachian Trail. We can talk about what
29:39
Speaker 1: he's doing in Florida. Here's the reality. He's been successful
29:43
Speaker 1: for at least eighteen days. He's avoided law enforcement, he's
29:47
Speaker 1: avoided K nine, he's avoided dogs, a bounty hunter who's
29:51
Speaker 1: found over ten thousand ugits. So to me, that's the
29:54
Speaker 1: skill level we're dealing with, and we need to get
29:57
Speaker 1: to the reality of he is not going to be
30:00
Speaker 1: phone until he scree up and I've set it from
30:02
Speaker 1: Jump Time Stories with Nancy Grace to you. Dr Bethany Marshall,
30:22
Speaker 1: do you really think the parents would cut the cord?
30:26
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't believe. I guarantee you somehow someway
30:31
Speaker 1: they are in touch with Brian Laundry. I guarantee you
30:35
Speaker 1: he's somewhere with a solar charger. He's got a burner phone,
30:39
Speaker 1: and somehow he's either texting them on a burner phone
30:43
Speaker 1: or he's emailing them to a new account. I think
30:47
Speaker 1: that's why they went to a public law library. What
30:50
Speaker 1: were they going to go? What were they at? A
30:53
Speaker 1: display of CDs from the eighties biggest hits. They have
30:57
Speaker 1: computer access to the libraries. They can get on computers,
31:00
Speaker 1: can get online at at the libraries, and the libraries
31:04
Speaker 1: clear their histories every night, so you know, if you
31:07
Speaker 1: don't get on that computer quick and find out what
31:09
Speaker 1: they were looking at, they're going to clear it that
31:11
Speaker 1: night and you won't be able to find out what
31:13
Speaker 1: they were looking at. And it would be so easy
31:16
Speaker 1: to use that burner to text or email Nancy, right.
31:19
Speaker 1: I mean, I just find it hard to believe they
31:21
Speaker 1: totally cut the chord on you and not cut the
31:23
Speaker 1: chord on him. And I'm going to tell you this
31:25
Speaker 1: is a very powerful, powerful family psychology that they have
31:32
Speaker 1: been covering up for Brian Laundry since he was a
31:35
Speaker 1: little boy. He probably has a very very long history
31:39
Speaker 1: of a minor infractions, maybe torturing animals, you know, the
31:44
Speaker 1: kind of behaviors we see in budding sociopaths where they
31:49
Speaker 1: really don't act like the other people in society. So
31:52
Speaker 1: I would think that there is one family member in
31:55
Speaker 1: particular who is very invested in covering up for Brian,
32:00
Speaker 1: and that that person is organizing everybody else. It could
32:04
Speaker 1: be the mother, it could be the father. But you
32:06
Speaker 1: start going to the laundry, go to their church, go
32:10
Speaker 1: to the neighborhood coffee clutch, go to the mother's friends,
32:13
Speaker 1: and ask who is the driving force and covering up
32:16
Speaker 1: from Brian for Brian, and then you can begin to
32:19
Speaker 1: understand where the energy is behind this. And I would
32:23
Speaker 1: also bet you, Nancy, that there's another family member who's
32:26
Speaker 1: not so sure about all of this, who is really
32:29
Speaker 1: afraid that they are going to get in trouble at
32:31
Speaker 1: the end of the day, who sees the big picture.
32:33
Speaker 1: But there's a ringleader in that family. And I would
32:36
Speaker 1: sort of be talking to the people in the neighborhood,
32:40
Speaker 1: all the friends and finding out who is the driving
32:43
Speaker 1: force in terms of covering up for Brian, and see
32:47
Speaker 1: if you can get in between family members and get
32:50
Speaker 1: the person who has the most sense to begin to talk. Guys,
32:53
Speaker 1: we're going to take stravat. Okay, don't say why you're
32:58
Speaker 1: on cross exam, Do not explain? Okay, is laundry and Appalachia?
33:06
Speaker 1: Is he on the Appalachian Trail? I vote no, Mike Hatzell, No,
33:11
Speaker 1: Bethany No Dale, Yes, Gott Yes, Cheryl McCollum, Yeah, Joe
33:17
Speaker 1: Scott Massa. I just don't know. I knew, I knew you.
33:23
Speaker 1: We're not going to commit is that will be an
33:26
Speaker 1: opinion and you're the consummate reporter, you're not going to do.
33:29
Speaker 1: I mean I kind of feel that could go either
33:31
Speaker 1: way since he has hiked there before. But how did
33:35
Speaker 1: he get there? Jack? You look it up for me.
33:37
Speaker 1: How far is De Soto where Mike had Sell is
33:41
Speaker 1: to the Appalachian Trail to the trail head. I don't
33:44
Speaker 1: mean the end of it. I mean the beginning of
33:47
Speaker 1: the Appalachian Trail right there at the North Carolina line.
33:50
Speaker 1: That's gonna be eight hundred miles maybe, Yeah. How did
33:53
Speaker 1: he get how would he make it without a vehicle?
34:00
Speaker 1: Five hundred miles? I mean, I don't care. How great
34:03
Speaker 1: of a woodsman, he is, how's he going to get
34:06
Speaker 1: that far unless he's hitching, cashing a bus where he
34:09
Speaker 1: would get caught, or he's got a vehicle. And if
34:13
Speaker 1: he's got a vehicle, Florida is full of tolls with cameras.
34:17
Speaker 1: So how far is it? Exactly? Jackie? Okay, have you
34:21
Speaker 1: ever heard of Google? Is g O O? Jesus type
34:26
Speaker 1: it in? Yeah, So we went from if we went
34:29
Speaker 1: from Bavard, North Carolina to Tampa, this is just kind
34:32
Speaker 1: of a rough estimate to be six hundred and twenty
34:34
Speaker 1: miles and by car that's a I don't know. They
34:37
Speaker 1: have it at eight hours and forty nine minutes to
34:39
Speaker 1: make that journey. Okay, just released body cam video. Let's go, Tyler,
34:47
Speaker 1: if you could play cut to zero eight. This is
34:50
Speaker 1: Adrian Banker at Musication now. Fighty camera video has been
34:53
Speaker 1: released from Gabby Potito and Brian Laundry's heated exchange in
34:56
Speaker 1: Utah back in August. And if Potito admits she hit
34:59
Speaker 1: Laundry first, but then he grabbed her face after and
35:02
Speaker 1: dug his nails into her face, the officer is heard
35:06
Speaker 1: on this camera footage this video footage telling Laundry that
35:10
Speaker 1: he is the victim of domestic assault. The police chief
35:13
Speaker 1: has taken a sudden leave of absence, and now the
35:15
Speaker 1: city is looking into how the police officers involved handled
35:19
Speaker 1: the situation when they were called to stop there with
35:22
Speaker 1: Gabby and with Brian, and many people criticizing this incident
35:25
Speaker 1: because the police called Brian the victim in this situation.
35:30
Speaker 1: Let me go straight out to Massa Sadi joining us
35:34
Speaker 1: WFLA TV. How come we didn't see that bodycam video?
35:39
Speaker 1: To start with great question, A great question and a
35:42
Speaker 1: question that we're asking, and another question, is there any
35:45
Speaker 1: other bodycam video that we haven't seen yet. There's a
35:48
Speaker 1: female law enforcement officer on that scene, and she is
35:52
Speaker 1: according to the two bodycam videos that we've seen already,
35:55
Speaker 1: she does appear to be talking with Gabby alone while
35:58
Speaker 1: Gabby is in the back of that police cruiser. And
36:01
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes a girl might reveal more information to
36:04
Speaker 1: another to another woman, so it'd be very interesting to
36:08
Speaker 1: see if there's any other bodycam video. I'm feel free
36:11
Speaker 1: to chime in, but I did think I saw possibly
36:14
Speaker 1: a camera on her uniform, So that's one big question.
36:17
Speaker 1: But really, the new thing that happened when this video
36:19
Speaker 1: was released the officer says, quote, did he hit you though,
36:24
Speaker 1: And she says, I guess yeah, but I hit him first,
36:27
Speaker 1: and she kind of breaks down. She says, he grabbed
36:30
Speaker 1: my face. He didn't punch me, but he grabbed me
36:32
Speaker 1: with his nail. I definitely have a cut. I can
36:35
Speaker 1: feel it when I touch it. It burns. So this
36:38
Speaker 1: is what was new Gabby saying very clearly that he
36:42
Speaker 1: also assaulted her in this way. This is something that
36:45
Speaker 1: we did not hear us clearly. Let's try to apply
36:48
Speaker 1: the entirety of cut two eleven. The Moai Police Department
36:53
Speaker 1: second bodycam footage that we didn't see initially. He walked
37:00
Speaker 1: away to go take his own for either. But I
37:03
Speaker 1: want to listen in the car because there all myself.
37:08
Speaker 1: I was working on something at the moment in the
37:11
Speaker 1: car and to me to just relax, I didn't. I
37:15
Speaker 1: don't want to relax. So I've been bad. I mean,
37:20
Speaker 1: I don't need to be bad. Yeah happens, don't happen.
37:25
Speaker 1: I don't know. And I just wanted to get water. Yeah,
37:30
Speaker 1: is there someone newe here? It's like, did you get
37:34
Speaker 1: did you get hit in the face? I was like
37:37
Speaker 1: something like hitting in the face and then over on
37:40
Speaker 1: your arm shoulder. Right here, there's new huh, it's kind
37:45
Speaker 1: a new mark. Oh yeah, I don't know. I see
37:48
Speaker 1: the other side of Okay, So what happened here and here?
37:54
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it wasn't find the background dog. So
38:06
Speaker 1: she has a bruise and a cut on her face,
38:09
Speaker 1: a bruise on her left arm, yet she was deemed
38:13
Speaker 1: the aggressor. If Laundry had been arrested right then and
38:19
Speaker 1: there for domestic violence in Moab, would Gabby be alive today?
38:29
Speaker 1: We wait as justice and false nan see Grace crime
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Speaker 1: story signing off, goodbye friend,