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We are here for you · United We Scan

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  Welcome to the united, we scan podcast the podcast, by rural
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  Now, here are the host of The United, We scan podcast, Welcome
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  back, everybody to episode 23, Kristen is in the transit right
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  now, so she's unable to start this off.
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  I'm starting it off for her and before we get started on this
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  episode, I wanted to put out a little information for
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  everybody. Due to recent incidents that
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  have occurred, we're letting everybody know that at any time,
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  you feel stressed out, worried have personal issues at home or
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  anything of that matter. You can use the Postal Service
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  EAP. It's free to use.
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  It's confidential. They don't report this stuff
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  back to your post master and it's somebody you can talk to
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  about it. It.
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  The other option is you have the Suicide Prevention, Hotline.
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  Through sport code 98. You can dial it on your phone.
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  You can also text that number if you need help, Reach Out.
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  They are there 24/7 available for anybody.
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  On top of that, if you are working with somebody, check in
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  on them, check on your co-workers past and present for
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  Carrier, moved on to another office and you still have
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  contact with them. Check in on them.
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  Make sure your care other fellow carriers are doing okay out
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  there because we're in a stressful time we're going
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  through a stressful situation and sometimes we just need
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  somebody to talk to the Reach Out.
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  Be that person for them to talk to We're All in This Together.
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  And there are resources that you can use for that.
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  Thank you. So Josh now that we've passed
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  that sad note, how was your week?
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  My week was not too bad. Still waiting for the new car to
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  come in. Luckily, or unluckily, I have
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  used my buddy spare vehicle, which is his right hand drive
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  jeep. So, at least I'm not to bring to
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  work everyday and couple them. What you said, you know, the
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  summer way you open your show this evening, Every week when we
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  close, I say. Don't get overwhelmed.
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  If you do take a step back, take a breath and step back in there,
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  which includes reaching out, if you feel, if you need to talk to
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  someone, find someone to talk to friend, family member, close
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  coworker. Just someone Get that weight off
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  your chest, hopefully everyone will have a good week.
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  Mike, how you doing today in this week?
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  This week's been okay, just kind of a normal week this week
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  trying to try to get through just like everybody else.
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  No big UPS or Downs. Just just just a week.
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  I understand, you know, well, looking forward to another
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  wonderful week in a stressful environment stress-related
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  environment. With unqualified management who
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  works under the dictates of District who doesn't work within
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  the confines of the contract. So just a normal week in
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  relation to your PSA there, it's it gotta remember people, you
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  don't know what's going on in other people's lives, most
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  people at work are co-workers, their.
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  Yeah. Well sometimes you're lucky
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  enough. Help you develop friendships
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  there, watch for the signs watch, you know, for, you know,
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  people with drawing. But for people getting
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  belligerent, you know, pay attention to what's going on at
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  work and reach out to people even if you don't like them, you
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  know, that there's still a life, you know, they're a human being
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  and you should be concerned about them.
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  And you know, we can't afford to lose the carrier and these
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  children could not afford to lose her mother and it's it just
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  it just rips me to hear this that, you know, now these
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  children are going to wonder why mommy left them and you don't
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  know what's going on in people's minds.
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  So reach out to people, look for signs of, you know, he's a
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  belligerent or withdrawal and And you know, even if you just
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  start a small conversation about nothing, you can get a feel for
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  the situation, you know, that they're experiencing at the
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  moment and then you can ask them, you know, is there
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  something bother you, can I help you reach out to people?
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  I hate to feel life. Just, you know, like that.
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  I just I really admire those me because I've seen several people
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  go through that and whereas I don't understand it, it's
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  accommodate occurrence anymore. And especially with the
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  situation we have at the post office white.
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  People's incomes are fluctuating I can see a lot of this coming
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  down the pike. So we wanted to come on this
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  week, discuss all the rumors that we've seen circulating on
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  Facebook coming from management. Coming from fellow carriers
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  coming from all over the place. Again, these are our opinions.
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  You should contact your designated local union
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  representative for guidance on this stuff, but this is how we
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  feel this stuff. It should be.
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  So make sure you reach out and actually have a discussion with
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  your designated union rep over this stuff.
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  The first one I'm going to go over with you guys and we'll
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  rotate through is does doing load truck during loading time.
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  Increase your evaluation load truck is an optional item for
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  rural carriers, under evaluated hours. if your hourly management
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  can make you, use load truck, that is an agreement that the
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  post office in the union made a long time ago, but If you're
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  doing low truck to increase your evaluation and it doesn't put
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  you up to that next hour are working for free.
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  You're doing more work for free. If it increases you too Ed next
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  hour, you're still doing more work just to get to that next
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  hour. So, as we say, carrier
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  discretion, but I see it as more work for no gain in a sense.
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  What do you guys think odd part? I think that I agree with you on
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  that, but I would say if you're local management, Is telling you
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  you are required to do it. I would do it during that load
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  vehicle time. If you're opting to do it on
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  your own, I would not recommend doing it under the load vehicle
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  time and the reason I say that is if they're telling you, you
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  have to You might as well get the credit.
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  They're telling you you credit for it or telling you you have
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  to do that off that function if you're doing it just because you
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  prefer to do it in that way, you can just get the sequence and
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  wind them up easier. I would do it.
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  When you first grab your Gurney and start sorting your Carson
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  can sorting out your parcels and not where you're actually
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  loading your vehicle. Yeah, because there aren't only
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  if you're loading them straight into the well, it's not if
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  you're scanning them, putting numbers on them and putting them
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  in order, right? If you pick it up, scan it,
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  tosses the truck, pick it up, pick next time up, skin, it
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  costing the truck that's one thing, but if you're sitting
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  there, okay, that's number 3. 75 Loop, that's 223, and you're
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  using the marker and write in that on the, on the label
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  somewhere. I wouldn't do it during the your
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  load vehicle and I find it especially confusing for a
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  regular carrier to do that. I mean they ought to know the
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  route by heart. So it's a waste of time in like
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  you said, there's no gain to it unless you're tripping into the
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  next hour and even then you're on the evaluated basis.
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  You want to get out of there ASAP.
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  Because the sooner you're on your route, the better your mood
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  changes, all right? And so we want to get the next
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  one. PM casing for mapping, huh?
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  It all really don't do it. If you're going to do mapping,
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  it should be your end of shift duties p.m. casing stops the
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  clock for that day. If you're going to do the
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  mapping, make sure it's on your end of shift duties.
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  Get the credit for it, period. And the chef is the under return
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  to D. You only time after return to do
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  you before you hit p.m. casing or clock out.
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  That's right. And mapping should be an
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  indication of Duty, and we'll go over that later.
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  What mapping is what, what they can do for mapping.
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  Overall, that's another question later on.
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  So, over that later, the next thing on the list was clocking
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  out. Out and wicking.
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  So long of returning, it takes as long as it takes.
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  Some days I can be done in five minutes, I'm days, it takes me
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  15, my case neighbor. She has a pickup of you off.
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  She has three or four pickups which are each one of them.
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  The smallest is 50 some pieces and go around like Father's Day
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  and Christmas because the one is a goth memorabilia place.
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  Could be a couple hundred to three hundred inches that she
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  has to unload out of her truck. Which means she's getting a
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  either a gaylord or a cage. Rolling it out to her truck,
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  unloading all that stuff. Rolling that gaylord or, you
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  know, we'd a hand truck or Decay for the back area near the dock
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  where the outgoing mail is, and then coming back and unloading
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  all the rest of us to helping them clean, doing her, clean up.
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  so, for her to have Thirty minutes.
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  The end of the day is not unheard of because of everything
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  that she has to get out of her truck and clean up, you know,
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  like we've mentioned in a few episodes in the p 0 6 and 3.
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  It says, with the NFC chip Beauties are there are multiple
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  wires that people have made up going around Facebook on the
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  Union's website and our lcap A, a DOT org, under the Rex guide,
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  you can find what the list of end of should do.
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  These are the be included. There was a, there was a pretty
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  extensive list in the, this month's National magazine as
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  well. Okay, I don't think I'm not sure
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  if I've gotten that yet, if I did, I haven't had a moment to
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  whatever but that's, but that's also very available on the
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  website for under the magazine. Yes, yeah.
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  Yeah. I'll re re these A real quick
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  for you. Friendship duties, you have
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  obtaining a conveyance using the restroom depositing collection
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  mail and designated locations. Depositing business, reply,
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  male, updating your edit books, replenishing stamp stock
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  replacing undelivered Parcels in the designated location.
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  The DPM and LTM maintenance, closeout duties.
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  If required replenishing rule, Reach customer, brochures
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  discussions with management, Aunt, updating case labels
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  returning keys and accountable mail, completing the PS form
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  3821, which your clearance flip completing the PS4 M35 752,
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  which is a change of address of required completing the PS4 &
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  39. 71 request for leave Emily money order transaction.
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  And the undeliverable mail returning, the conveyance to the
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  desired location and preparing hold mail for redelivery that's
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  the entire list. It's on our website under our
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  current magazine, as well as being in our current magazine
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  and that is quotable from the union that you can use with
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  management. So if you have a magazine or you
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  have a carrier, that's a dues-paying member that gets the
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  magazine, you can ask them for a copy of it.
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  I'm sure they'll be willing to give it to you.
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  If not, you can always join the union to, to get your copy of
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  it. If you need to, that's another
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  option you can do, make sure that you're doing all of these
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  duties on your industry shift, because that helps your
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  evaluation and to shift time is that return to the you time?
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  It gives you more minutes overtime.
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  Every minute you're on. That is a minute on your
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  evaluation average. And I guess the other the other
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  thing too is, if management is telling you, there is some sort
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  of limit ask for that policy in writing ever since this came
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  out. The union has been consistent.
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  Is that your Endo shift time from the from the time you hit
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  return to delivery unit? It is it takes What It Takes.
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  If it, you're going to have some days that it's that you're going
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  to be in and out, and you're going to have some days where
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  now, this the day I got to replace my case labels.
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  This is the day. I'm going to do my edit book,
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  you know. Don't let don't let management
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  bully. You coerce, you influence, you,
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  whatever term you want to use to say that.
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  No, you have to be out in a set number of a set time where you
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  have a limit and if they are telling you I'm telling I'm
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  giving you a direct order to be out of here in five minutes.
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  Tell them I would like that direct order in writing.
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  Please round dated and signed and the When I want it brown,
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  dated, and signed is so that way we both have it for our records
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  and nobody can say, well, I didn't tell him that or I didn't
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  hear you. Something that is for both sides
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  have positive verification that this was a direct order.
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  You're not trying to get out away with something or anything
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  like that, but it is a physical copy that you can then take to
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  your designated Union. Representative and explain.
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  Hey my postmaster, gave me a direct order.
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  Here's a signed copy from my postmaster telling me to do so.
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  And it solves your problems a lot easier.
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  That way, honestly, confront 8191, what are you waiting for
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  them? To hand it to you, then you ask
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  for the 8191, that's insane. Once they handed me, I'd ask for
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  an 8191. Yep, that's a grievance form.
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  What we went over a few episodes back.
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  Okay guys, I'm gonna pop in for a moment.
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  Don't walk away. Yeah, well, I had to stop my
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  daughter. Had to go get a phone charger
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  since hers is still in my Jeep. Just everybody wondering where I
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  am at tonight. I had to make a impromptu drive
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  across the state to pick up my daughter since there was a
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  slight accident with my car, involving two deer this morning
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  that deployed the airbags in my Jeep.
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  And I will know tomorrow when the adjuster gets out there, I'm
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  pretty sure I'm going to be shopping for a new car, which is
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  natural what I wanted to do right now.
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  Yeah, my poor Jeep. So so uh I just kind of wanted
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  to touch on the huh, what was that?
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  I will say when you hear back from the adjuster what them.
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  Let him know that you just location.
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  You were not able to get into the vehicle to collect your
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  stuff and you probably will not be able to get there.
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  What a reasons can they make before they take possession and
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  tow it away? Well yeah, definitely and I'm
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  going to tell the code. A company that to that has my
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  vehicle? But so yeah, I have a few
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  moments before I lose signal again, so I'm kind of going to
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  be popping in and out tonight. Listening like I can.
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  So that's what's going on with me.
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  I just wanted to touch on the beginning because I caught the
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  James part was the with the EAP. That is also available for
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  anybody in your household that lives with you.
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  Free of charge as well. So if there are issues that
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  somebody in your household, It sees that you can reach out and
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  use it for your household members as well.
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  Yeah, my wife has it on speed dial.
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  Oh, I'm sure he does. All right, and then down on
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  that. Also we have management turning
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  around and telling people that they only have so many hours in
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  the office before they have to leave.
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  If the same thing, it takes What It Takes.
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  We are not sitting carriers, we don't get two hours in the
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  morning in the office, then we have to leave for the route.
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  We also have the opt into case are DPS, although with the
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  evaluator system we don't get compensation for casing DPS
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  unless it's under 400 letters a day then you get the off to the
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  case it. So if management is pushing you
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  to get out the door telling you it's a direct order again, get
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  it in writing, same situation. You know, it's funny that I find
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  that, you know, my routes now up at 64 hours a week and they're
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  giving me 3 hours and 47 minutes to Case and then they give me
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  six and a half hours to delivery, which is approximately
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  two hours more than I need to deliver it.
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  Because when I'm done casing, I'm a more efficient on the
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  street, the less time, I'm on the street, the less likelihood,
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  I'm going to have an accident less time on the street.
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  The less. And we're and Terror.
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  I'm accruing on the vehicle. So where are you making you
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  these decisions? Based on what facts?
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  I mean, I've never understood that one.
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  And yeah, that'll go back to the next thing about stopping at
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  mailboxes every three and five seconds because when I drive up
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  to the mailbox, I mean I do it in 2.8 seconds.
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  You know, my mails and the hand I slap the lid down mail goes in
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  Lids up. I pull away.
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  I mean yeah. But we can talk about that a
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  little bit here. Yeah.
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  And like you just said you know, and the people that have under
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  400 pieces of mail should be casing it in the office.
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  You're paid to actually case it in the office for the 400
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  letters and a lot of people who get less than 400 letters, don't
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  even have DPS, they actually get the sector segment version of it
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  instead so they have to case it. So, Again, carrier discretion,
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  and whether you want to take DPS to the street or not management.
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  Now, this is going to be the caveat with these new Rex
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  evaluations. Everybody says that's severely
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  under evaluated, is going to be constantly over their evaluation
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  and that's one of the requirements for making
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  carriers, take DPS to the street, the other one is if your
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  hourly again. So but It's however you wish to
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  do it unless management forces you and again get it in writing
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  and talk with your designated union rep.
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  Round stamp it. Are really outstanding document
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  document, you know, next one was stopping at every mailbox for 3
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  to 5 Seconds. So the biggest rumor that's been
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  going around, a lot of people have been talking about is
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  management telling them to stop and every mailbox for three to
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  five seconds to get the bread crumb for stopping at that
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  mailbox. If you don't have anything for
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  the mailbox, the PO 603 says, you can skip the mailbox at the
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  flag is not up management, telling you to do a stop.
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  Every three to five seconds. You definitely want to get that
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  in writing because not only, can your postmaster come out on that
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  route and inspect you Postal inspectors management from other
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  offices district managers National managers regional
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  managers who don't train their management to do, the rec
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  systems can come out and inspect you on your route.
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  So you want that in writing that your manager told you to stop at
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  every mailbox, otherwise you could get in possibly get in
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  trouble for that. I've got a question in regards
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  to that because that that leads to another conundrum.
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  In regards to, I don't get credit for the stopping at that
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  mailbox because the DPS didn't have any mail for that mailbox.
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  I didn't have a box holder that day, so, People are asking if I
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  don't have mail for that mailbox.
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  Then does that tell them somewhere in the wreck system
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  that I'm falsely stopping at that mailbox?
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  It's a question further down. Excellently.
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  Yeah, but but, you know the food for thought, you know?
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  Yeah, yeah. What's or letters from the hot
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  cakes or fried rat or they have Alcoa email if you stopped at a
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  small percentage of boxes, other than the inform delivery shows
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  the receipt. Yes, for it's a no harm.
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  No foul. If you're stopping every single
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  box, every single day it's going to throw red flag up.
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  At some point. At some point, somebody's going
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  to say something. but with with all the flaws, we have with this
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  system and the scanners kind of, we know what is and what isn't
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  being credited? That, that's where the
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  transparency issue is, critical in regards to the true
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  valuations of this program. I mean, there's there's more
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  questions than there are answers.
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  And the answers were getting are conflicting with each other
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  based on District. Drad, our rule carrier
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  specialist management. There's there's so many Cooked
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  in the kitchen that I can't go to get a good cherry pie with
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  any cherries in it. Right?
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  And you know, like I said in the past I've heard supposably that
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  If you're at a walking pace, when you pass the Box, it'll hit
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  the brake drum. But then you see other sources,
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  say that 3 to 5 Seconds. So no one has been able to
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  definitively say one way or another one that actually gives
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  away. Yeah.
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  And that's that's the key is everybody's getting different
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  information from different people, you know, and you're
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  getting different information even from us, you know, then
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  what somebody else will say, you know, you'll leave, we've upset
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  a lot of people by having this podcast told you about the fan
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  mail previous episode, we had, you know, we have set people
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  about it, but the key to us doing this is to get you to go.
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  Talk to your designated union, rep and get the answers.
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  Straight from your union rep. Who gets it from their District
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  rep, who gets it from the national rep. that's what we
• 27:13
  want you to do, and and even then I want them to show me in
• 27:17
  writing, yes, everything should be in writing If it's not in
• 27:22
  writing, I don't believe you. Oh, and we don't post anything
• 27:29
  in writing and writing. We just talked about it.
• 27:33
  Yes. This is funny because I sit
• 27:44
  there and say, okay, folks, do you understand the evaluated
• 27:47
  system? And apparently they don't, it's
• 27:51
  not baseball your daily hours. It's based on your average hours
• 27:59
  for the week based on your routes evaluation Mondays in my
• 28:03
  office or a bear. I'm putting yo nine and a half
• 28:07
  ten hours in there every Monday because for some reason the plan
• 28:11
  can generate Truck load of mail for us on Mondays and then the
• 28:15
  Peters out through the week. So by the time I get to Thursday
• 28:19
  or Friday in the, even with the marriage mail or box holders or
• 28:22
  whatever you call them for your local, you know, supermarkets,
• 28:26
  I'm back down to 88 and a half, eight, and three-quarters of
• 28:29
  our. So it's the average.
• 28:32
  So if you're getting paid as in my case, I'm getting a 48k and
• 28:38
  I'm getting paid for 9 hours and I'm getting done under nine
• 28:41
  hours. That's the average and that goes
• 28:45
  into whether or not you're going to, you do your seven and a half
• 28:49
  or I do my eight point, nine hours or nine point six hours.
• 28:53
  It's an average over the course of the week based on the routes
• 28:56
  evaluation. Now if you going to ask this
• 29:00
  question, are you also going to stick around for an hour and a
• 29:05
  half when you're done in six hours?
• 29:08
  Yep. Are you doing?
• 29:09
  You know if you work seven point one, five hours.
• 29:13
  Are you going to stick around for the extra 15 minutes?
• 29:16
  Because that's what you're paying you for.
• 29:19
  Yeah. And then there's the other
• 29:23
  aspect of this too. If you're only working seven and
• 29:26
  a half hours a day, how do you expect your evaluation to go up?
• 29:30
  Yeah. You want to work seven and a
• 29:34
  half hours because you're paid seven and a half hours, then
• 29:37
  you're never going to see eight hours is an evaluation.
• 29:40
  Yep. Especially if you're really
• 29:44
  short, cutting yourself on your end to shift duties?
• 29:47
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:49
  The other thing is, when I first started seeing these post coming
• 29:52
  up that when people were talking about their cuts and saying well
• 29:57
  I'm only going to work, you know, I was as a 45k, you know,
• 30:01
  9 h, 9 hours, a day. Now I'm only getting seven and a
• 30:04
  half. Well, I'm not going to work past
• 30:06
  that it's like so there's you're not going to serve part of your
• 30:11
  route. You're going to take it out on
• 30:13
  your customers. That you're cut, you're going to
• 30:17
  take that out on your customers and you're going to deny them
• 30:20
  service, because of you, because of your loss of evaluation,
• 30:24
  we're still, you still have people relying on you.
• 30:27
  You know what, if those people on the end of end of your router
• 30:30
  waiting for the medication that you have, that you're taken back
• 30:33
  to the, that your quote, taking back to the office because
• 30:36
  you're not going to work over over seven and a half hours or
• 30:40
  you know there's there are still people who male importantly.
• 30:45
  Payments through the Postal Service.
• 30:48
  Believe it or not, they don't all email them or or that.
• 30:52
  So you're denying your customer service and that it could just
• 30:57
  be my it could just be my age showing that that just that just
• 31:01
  really rubs me the wrong way. And that just really does it
• 31:05
  really puts the post office in a bad light.
• 31:09
  We're looking at like that think about this part documents, it
• 31:13
  takes two to three days for it to get to you at minimum.
• 31:17
  Yeah. And when it gets to you and you
• 31:20
  deliver it the certify for them, they have 28 days to respond to
• 31:27
  that and you're eating away at those days, by not delivering it
• 31:31
  to them, I would say the other thing I want to touch base on
• 31:34
  with the southern a hat. You know, schedule.
• 31:38
  Seven-and-a-half, I work seven and a half.
• 31:41
  Yeah, well to kind of touch base on what Bill was saying or if
• 31:46
  you get done in 6 hours, Are you going to sit back?
• 31:50
  You know what do you do for that out?
• 31:52
  You know for that hour and a half you going to hang out.
• 31:55
  I'm going to jump ahead to the last thing in the list of going
• 31:58
  hourly like City. if you're if we go Aero like City and you get
• 32:04
  done, you're out in 6 hours Gasps why they're they're going
• 32:10
  to want to they're going to want you to work for those other two
• 32:12
  hours to make up your eight hour day?
• 32:17
  Yep. Yeah the other carrier that has
• 32:20
  seven hours. 11 hours has nine hours on his route, guess what?
• 32:24
  Now you're going to get two hours off of him to go deliver
• 32:26
  his route that you've never done before.
• 32:29
  Yes. People keep saying why I think
• 32:34
  we should just go our like, the city personally.
• 32:39
  I wouldn't want it. Yeah, it sucks.
• 32:42
  If I'm an eight-hour valuation, it takes me 10.
• 32:45
  Today, I'm only getting paid eight foot by the end of the
• 32:49
  week when it's only taken me. Six It balances out.
• 32:55
  That's it you know and I'm still getting to go home early again.
• 32:58
  Yeah. And then you know it reflect it
• 33:01
  fluctuates you know, Season to season you know we're coming at
• 33:03
  work, we're coming in and when school lets out, you know, June
• 33:09
  July, you know, that's traditionally our slope here is
• 33:13
  traditionally a slow period for male anyway, so you're going to
• 33:17
  you're not going to you're not going to have a lot to deliver.
• 33:21
  And then, you know, it starts, it starts ramping up its at, you
• 33:25
  know, the end of the summer up until we get to the Christmas
• 33:28
  Peak. So, you know, in, you know, we
• 33:33
  Josh hit on it, you know, just go hourly.
• 33:36
  There's there's more to it than that, you know, City Terriers if
• 33:40
  they if they're if they're done and they haven't made their
• 33:43
  eight hours, they have to go help or they have to take leave.
• 33:47
  Yep. Worked around the office or
• 33:51
  Yeah. And, you know, right now this is
• 33:54
  nothing against our city carrier Brethren.
• 33:56
  Nope, it's not. It's not we support.
• 33:58
  We support their contractors as much as we support ours.
• 34:02
  They have a great great contract with they work with.
• 34:04
  We have a great contract that we work with and many aspects.
• 34:08
  So this is nothing against their City brother.
• 34:10
  And it's, yeah, it's a totally different Beast to be a city
• 34:14
  carrier than it is to be a rural carrier.
• 34:18
  Still the same stuff, just different Beast of how you, how
• 34:21
  you handle it. Yeah, Integrity scans no scans
• 34:25
  allowed in the office that this this one, this one gets my goat
• 34:32
  but I can count on one hand. I could The Economist in me on
• 34:37
  the one hand. I can see why they're doing it.
• 34:39
  You know. They're trying to get at
• 34:42
  carriers who are actually falsifying stuff and saying no,
• 34:46
  you have to, you shouldn't be scanning.
• 34:48
  When you're back from the route. But the other thing is at least
• 34:52
  in our district. It's there's three o'clock
• 34:54
  window if you get back and it's it's 259 and you make that scan
• 34:59
  in the office, it's okay. But if it's 301 and you make
• 35:04
  that scan in the office, then you, then you end up on a
• 35:08
  report. So that that's the one part of
• 35:11
  that. And then the other thing, well,
• 35:13
  you have to take it out of the, you know, after 3:00, if you're
• 35:16
  going to, you know, you A parcel, you know, parcel slid
• 35:20
  under your tray, it got buried under something.
• 35:23
  And well, you know, are you going to take it out and deliver
• 35:27
  it or you or you're going to make some scan on it?
• 35:29
  You take it out of the office and do it on the street, you
• 35:33
  know, that it just it just bugs me on some unjust.
• 35:36
  Some deep level, I can only speak for my station.
• 35:40
  Even though my office is as large as it is even station the
• 35:45
  station they had. You know there's Different
• 35:48
  quote, unquote rules of what, you know, my ex I should say,
• 35:53
  expectations from management, at least in my station in the
• 35:57
  morning. If I know it's on hold or it's
• 36:02
  is a or whatever. The reason is that I wouldn't
• 36:07
  take, you know, wouldn't be delivering it.
• 36:10
  I can scan it before I leave, they don't want me to bring
• 36:14
  anything back in the afternoon. They want me to explain it as if
• 36:17
  I bought it. With me in the truck, they want
• 36:20
  me to scan it at the location on the reason why I'm not
• 36:24
  delivering it. Which I can understand, you
• 36:27
  know, which I can understand that.
• 36:31
  I would suggest getting with your local management and local
• 36:35
  representative to find out and hatch out.
• 36:41
  What is the best and appropriate action.
• 36:47
  For this if they you come back and there's packages and they
• 36:52
  tell you you need to take it for a ride and and scan it off the
• 36:57
  premises that in writing one, get it in writing to make sure
• 37:03
  you let your recommend of know. This is, this is the procedure
• 37:07
  that your local management is giving you so they can tell you.
• 37:12
  Yeah, unfortunately that's it. We're no wait, let's, you know,
• 37:16
  we need to put a stop to that. That but I would definitely say
• 37:22
  put that back into your local management and representatives
• 37:26
  court so they can work it. You know, between amongst each
• 37:29
  other them, they can work out. A reasonable solution, is this
• 37:35
  happening on both ends? Because in my office I mean I do
• 37:39
  this all the time I I scan my holds my forwards, my, you know,
• 37:44
  my Return to Sender, for whatever reason I do Those all
• 37:48
  in the morning if I pull it if I pull them out of my cage and
• 37:52
  it's oh my God, you know, these people move two months ago and
• 37:56
  they're still getting their bark boxes sent here and put them in
• 37:59
  forwarding. I do that at the office.
• 38:01
  If I, if I if I catch it, catch it in the office.
• 38:05
  I do that, I do that. Also, if I knew, if it's
• 38:08
  something that I know, is not going to be delivered for
• 38:11
  whatever reason that day, whether it be hold forward in.
• 38:17
  Rita dress. No such number whatever the
• 38:21
  reasoning is ice. You know, I scan them all in the
• 38:24
  morning. But every now and then like from
• 38:27
  my apartment I may not catch because the way I sort, I just
• 38:30
  sort, I see it's the apartment psycho it in a bit, you know, in
• 38:33
  a tub. And then when I get out there,
• 38:36
  action short film editor, so I might not see that.
• 38:38
  It was an incomplete and Brett, you know, coach didn't have the
• 38:42
  proper apartment number or it was an integrated partment.
• 38:45
  I'm going till I get there, so let's get them all.
• 38:47
  They're if I took it with me and I'm going to say that I've seen
• 38:52
  it in my office where a carrier missed a package.
• 38:57
  They're like, well, I delivered it.
• 38:59
  Well, go next door. Punch this number in and put
• 39:02
  where you delivered. It is that an Integrity is that
• 39:06
  keeping Integrity, you know, the other side of that is go back
• 39:09
  out to the house. See if you can get the package
• 39:11
  and scan it at the house. Are you paying me for that?
• 39:15
  Integrity is what What you make it, if you want to be accurate
• 39:22
  and have integrity in your scans, you got to do it the
• 39:26
  right way. And the only way you can do it
• 39:30
  right with management trying to coach you to kind of falsify a
• 39:34
  scan. Is to talk to your designated
• 39:38
  union. Rep about it because falsifying
• 39:41
  a scan is falsifying a government document gone over
• 39:45
  this before in another episode. So, you want to cover your
• 39:50
  backside when you're doing this stuff.
• 39:54
  Here's the mapping in him. Yep.
• 39:58
  We're such end of fifth. All right.
• 40:01
  Mappy, as we mentioned earlier, it should be done as an industry
• 40:08
  Beauty and the return to you, if for, whatever reason management
• 40:13
  says, you have to do it in the morning, Because whatever reason
• 40:18
  there's no we're going to be here in the afternoon, it's too
• 40:24
  late. Today you already take too long,
• 40:26
  whatever their reason is that you can't or they won't sit down
• 40:32
  with you to map in the afternoon.
• 40:35
  That is 8127 time. I would also suggest reaching
• 40:39
  out to your local representative and say hey management is
• 40:45
  telling me that we have to do it in the morning, we can't do it
• 40:48
  in the afternoon when I get back.
• 40:50
  I'm going to check and see if they can come up with, you know,
• 40:54
  talk with management and get it corrected to interfere.
• 40:58
  But if they absolutely insist, but it has to be done in the
• 41:02
  morning, were you hit the street?
• 41:05
  That is 8127. Thomas is they say, hey jeans.
• 41:09
  Come on, let's go. Matt, we're going to knock her
• 41:11
  out. Start your stopwatch Until the
• 41:15
  moment you get back to your tastes to finish case in the
• 41:20
  pulling down or whatever about to do.
• 41:23
  Some people are saying, well, I'm just going to put it as low
• 41:26
  truck. No.
• 41:28
  Because that is loaded truck function.
• 41:31
  Exactly. That it is just with our meeting
• 41:35
  room to move the conveying fully mobile to advance.
• 41:39
  One more taste to your truck. Empty the contents into your
• 41:43
  truck. Go and bring the conveyance back
• 41:46
  to where it belongs, where there have been to set it back up from
• 41:49
  the next morning or if they have a staging area that you're
• 41:52
  allowed to put it or in the afternoon when you get back.
• 41:56
  So you just grab it and unload your vehicle.
• 42:00
  Put it it that boat truck functions is exactly that it's
• 42:05
  the time. It takes you to load your
• 42:07
  vehicle. Nothing else.
• 42:11
  Anyone on the other, anything say about that.
• 42:13
  Yeah, make sure you notate the time on your 4240 also.
• 42:19
  Because when it comes crunch time and your paycheck shows up,
• 42:23
  and they didn't input the 8127 time, having it on your 50.
• 42:28
  Your 4240 is your one way of having documentation that is
• 42:32
  occurred, and if you want, you can put in the time you left
• 42:35
  your case to the time, you got back to your case on there as
• 42:38
  well. It's another option you can do
• 42:40
  instead of starting a stopwatch but make sure you notate this
• 42:45
  time mapping great on the, on the comments of your for, Be
• 42:49
  240. That's going to say because when
• 42:51
  we did when we were just kind of say it just makes sense because
• 42:59
  when we did the initial mapping and they figured it was going to
• 43:02
  take you all day to map your route.
• 43:04
  You got P times to that. So it just seems it just seems
• 43:09
  to make sense that if they're going to make you do it during
• 43:12
  the morning then it would only make sense that it's something
• 43:15
  outside of your normal evaluation.
• 43:17
  So it should be 8127 time. That just seems to make sense to
• 43:22
  me. The better would be to do it in
• 43:25
  a shift when it's just actual time.
• 43:27
  And at this point it should just be just adding adding things to
• 43:32
  your, to your route or just making small changes, it
• 43:35
  shouldn't be wholesale. At this point minutes on average
• 43:40
  probably 5 to 15 minutes. I mean honestly if there's no
• 43:45
  changes at all to your route, then you just start going in and
• 43:51
  verifying it. Nothing that the system didn't
• 43:54
  change anything. If you don't have to be boxes.
• 43:59
  Like I just deactivated a couple boxes that I've been baking for
• 44:05
  over 90 days. Yeah, and the city bought them
• 44:08
  out. And are demolishing them because
• 44:12
  flood zone. So, I need to make sure that,
• 44:16
  you know, I need to get in there map to make sure that I've said
• 44:19
  is inactive, I go one step further with this, with a
• 44:26
  calendar at the case, That you can put that time down on
• 44:31
  because my office, particularly finding a 42 43 days after it
• 44:38
  was completed is like the proverbial needle in the
• 44:43
  haystack. So if you have your calendar
• 44:47
  there, I mark it on that. I know people take pictures with
• 44:50
  their phones carried little note pads you know the little fold
• 44:54
  over spiral-bound note pads in their pocket and all whatever
• 44:58
  but documented somewhere else too.
• 45:00
  Okay? Because like I said if you have
• 45:02
  a problem you know getting the 4242 show that you actually
• 45:06
  worked it and your paycheck shows, no reflection of that
• 45:10
  effort then you have the backup proof in cap like Guy said,
• 45:14
  just, you know, it's like finding the Ark in the
• 45:18
  warehouse, right? Bill.
• 45:20
  Hey, you know, being the Tactical officer, you know, I
• 45:23
  don't leave anything to chance. Yep.
• 45:28
  Yeah, exactly. Since we talked just touched on
• 45:33
  that making boxes, inactive. Now, this is one thing that's
• 45:38
  been going on with the system lately is that it's actually
• 45:42
  marketing boxes and active that don't get DPS.
• 45:46
  That's a something that's been going on with the system and
• 45:50
  I've had a couple of them actually happen on mine too, so
• 45:54
  when you're going through your mapping, make sure you're
• 45:56
  checking for your inactive boxes because you want those active
• 46:00
  oxygen. This especially like I mine I
• 46:03
  have a couple of customers that all they get our third class
• 46:06
  mail, it still counts towards my evaluation to have that box
• 46:11
  active understand. They don't get a mail every
• 46:14
  single day but that's still mail volume for my route.
• 46:17
  When I input a box holder when I input WSS, things like that.
• 46:24
  And when they get that WSS Valpak in the DPS, it keeps the
• 46:29
  Box active. The only times that I've had
• 46:32
  that actually happen is boxes that only get the marriage mail
• 46:37
  and whatever, box holders I put in the system.
• 46:39
  But you want to make sure that they stay active unless they're
• 46:43
  vacant and then you have 90 days.
• 46:46
  The 90th Day is when you put a vacant in your edit book now
• 46:50
  before that because I had a house that's at vacant for 89
• 46:53
  days and somebody moved in on a 90th day I got there first
• 46:57
  electric bill So make sure you're keeping track of your
• 47:01
  vacants 90 days and if they're marking them as vacant, make
• 47:05
  sure you correct them know that box isn't vacant.
• 47:08
  You don't want to remove vacant boxes because you still get 1
• 47:13
  Point 2 minutes per box on your evaluation without any mail.
• 47:20
  You get 1 Point 2 minutes per box.
• 47:24
  Anybody else? Well, according to the old
• 47:27
  system and and it continues with the rec system, people use to
• 47:34
  manipulate their boxes, to drive up their volume, and then
• 47:42
  reintroduce them afterwards. Don't do this, your falsifying
• 47:49
  data, your falsifying, a government document, it will
• 47:54
  lead to termination. Nation.
• 47:56
  It's an old trick people have been caught before.
• 48:00
  People have lost their jobs over this.
• 48:02
  So don't do it. I have one address at my town
• 48:07
  houses, but, hey, I'd eat that. You can click to me that they
• 48:11
  haven't really gotten a little while this when I drove by, when
• 48:17
  I got to the Stevie you last week.
• 48:21
  The scanner popped up for the edit hook option asking is this
• 48:28
  address occupied so I hit yes, it is, you know, and kept on
• 48:34
  going. But if I, if that can pop up or
• 48:38
  if I kept ignoring it, or if I said, no, it's not occupied, the
• 48:42
  system might have perfect that too.
• 48:46
  Say that it's know. Walking of it's bacon.
• 48:51
  But I don't know. You'll have one size of the
• 48:53
  other with the fact that because they hadn't gotten the on a
• 48:57
  while it popped up in, you know, as the for the edit to ask, you
• 49:03
  know, in the edit book. If it was occupied, I turned
• 49:07
  around and looked across the street to the house.
• 49:09
  There's a car in the driveway, light wasn't on sale in the
• 49:13
  house. I'm like yes it's occupied
• 49:16
  certified in DPS. A lot of people have noticed
• 49:19
  that they're getting defied in the DPS.
• 49:23
  This is the new thing. They don't have enough employees
• 49:26
  in the plants to separate the certified from the first class
• 49:29
  mail. So they're treating them all is
• 49:31
  first class mail and putting them in the DPS now.
• 49:34
  Unfortunately that makes more work for us as carrier because
• 49:38
  now not only do we have to verify the addresses, we have to
• 49:41
  make sure that there's not a certified hiding in there and
• 49:44
  it's going to happen. You're going to end up,
• 49:46
  delivering a certified into the mailbox because in DPS and you
• 49:49
  don't even know it's there. Keep your eye out for it.
• 49:53
  Knock your fault, that they're putting it in the DPS, but you
• 49:58
  want to verify that? It's not there because you're
• 50:01
  the last line of defense to prevent the certified from
• 50:04
  failing and a certifies. It's not failed.
• 50:08
  We have to refund their money that and credit egoism
• 50:12
  accountable, which means that a you know, you're going to get
• 50:16
  the time for the skin and for obtaining the second circuit And
• 50:21
  you'll get the credit for it, from receiving it, from the
• 50:24
  clerk, even though you didn't receive it from the clerk
• 50:27
  because it only registers on your Rex.
• 50:31
  If you scan it in the field, whether you scan it delivered or
• 50:36
  attempted with the 3849. Yep.
• 50:41
  You get the credits for it and then if you go back out and
• 50:44
  deliver it again, you get the credits again.
• 50:47
  So make sure you're looking for them because that's good money
• 50:50
  on your account. And for those that have informed
• 50:56
  delivery certifies do so up in the informed delivery under
• 51:01
  certified in with a picture I've had a few of them that have come
• 51:07
  in to my household and they will.
• 51:09
  It also up certified in the tracking number for the
• 51:13
  certified piece of mail in my informed delivery.
• 51:16
  So They are still tracked, they're just not getting an
• 51:20
  arrival at units stand by the clerks, and they're coming in
• 51:23
  the DPS, so just definitely make.
• 51:25
  Spare your look out for those. Especially the ones that are
• 51:29
  built into the document there on the envelope and you may not see
• 51:34
  that it certified left to look at that envelope window.
• 51:39
  Look, the birds aren't doing their job at the plant.
• 51:43
  You don't have enough clerks in your office to hand them out and
• 51:45
  have her, but he signed formed making the Maze and the cowboy
• 51:49
  does not make you lacks in regards to doing your job.
• 51:55
  You get a certified. You see the certified delivered,
• 51:58
  a certified customer paid for the service.
• 52:02
  Give them the service, get the credit, do your job the right
• 52:06
  way. Second trips.
• 52:09
  As far as I know second trips are there's there's really no
• 52:12
  choice other than the wrecked procedures.
• 52:15
  Second trips are not changed, the Rex procedure for second.
• 52:20
  Trips is a you returned to you when you get back to the office
• 52:23
  and you were do the return to delivery unit.
• 52:27
  You, then do all of your end of shift duties, dispatch the mail,
• 52:32
  take care of your markups, your forwards, your boob, um, put
• 52:36
  stuff away and then if you're going back out on a second trip,
• 52:40
  Then you hit p.m. casing and then you do start, load and
• 52:45
  unload. I mean if it's just hey this
• 52:48
  Express came in after you left you know you hit start load walk
• 52:53
  out to your truck with it, you walk in you get in your truck
• 52:55
  with it, you hit end load and then you go and deliver that
• 53:00
  what? However, many if it's just one
• 53:02
  express envelope, if it's a couple of parcels whatever it
• 53:05
  is. It's still load time.
• 53:08
  Plus 2 minutes per mile. But it's done on p.m. casing
• 53:14
  because that's second trips of always been outside of your
• 53:17
  evaluation. So this is delineating when your
• 53:21
  evaluation is stopping and it denotes the time that you went
• 53:25
  on that that you're, you know, ending are evaluated time and
• 53:29
  doing something else with the exception of the Christmas over
• 53:32
  time. Well for over three weeks.
• 53:34
  Yes, yes. But normally currently presently
• 53:39
  at this time. if you were, if I was to go a second trip
• 53:43
  tomorrow, that's how that's how you do it and that procedure is
• 53:48
  So it's been the the union has put it out in several places.
• 53:52
  That that is how you do second trips.
• 53:56
  And then of course, when you get back to when you get back to the
• 53:59
  delivery unit, that's when I because I have a I have an FF
• 54:02
  VII that's when I do my scan for the, for the the ending mileage.
• 54:08
  I come in, I grabbed my clipboard.
• 54:10
  I walk over to the supervisors desk and I do my clock out, and,
• 54:15
  you know, sign my 4240, and turn it in for the end of the day.
• 54:20
  Yeah, and it's called second trip for a reason.
• 54:24
  A lot of officers are telling you, it's a second trip in the
• 54:27
  morning. It is not the morning stuff.
• 54:30
  If you're delivering packages in the morning should be straight
• 54:34
  time. Plus EMA, if you're driving the
• 54:37
  POV, yeah, should be straight time in the morning.
• 54:40
  It is not a second trip, don't let them call it a second trip.
• 54:43
  And if they do, contact your local union, representative for
• 54:47
  guidance. Because second trips are
• 54:50
  supposed to occur after the first trip.
• 54:57
  For you and explain that to my management, they have the, they
• 55:03
  have trouble understanding the difference between first and
• 55:07
  second. The first being it comes first,
• 55:13
  the second being after the first, you can't have the second
• 55:18
  without doing the first. Is that what that's saying?
• 55:44
  All right. Stop.
• 55:45
  Picking on the, they're not here to defend themselves.
• 55:49
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 55:50
  We shouldn't. We shouldn't pick on them if
• 55:51
  they can't defend themselves and we'll be more than happy to
• 55:54
  discuss it with them. Oh yeah.
• 55:57
  It's much more fun face to face. Yes.
• 56:01
  We'd be happy to have a manager, come on this and chat with us
• 56:04
  about this. Hmm.
• 56:06
  Maybe even the regional manager. If you love to talk to him
• 56:11
  again, wouldn't you James? Yes, I would.
• 56:16
  All right, moving on. I thought the right entering
• 56:21
  authorized Dismounts for every dispatch out even one.
• 56:25
  Okay. And this, this changed a couple
• 56:28
  of times but if you have an authorized dismount on in, you
• 56:33
  know, in your edit book and you mapped it and you did it when
• 56:38
  you completed your mapping, whether it's a CV, you a school,
• 56:42
  a business, a hardship. When you, when you make that
• 56:46
  Dismount that that initial dismount Is is figured into your
• 56:52
  is figured into your reps is figured into your evaluation
• 56:55
  under Rex. If you have to make another trip
• 56:59
  to if it's a CB you and you have, you have too many, too
• 57:03
  many parcel, you can't handle all the parcels and all the mail
• 57:06
  and you need to do one and then the other and you have to make a
• 57:10
  trip back into your truck to complete your delivery.
• 57:14
  That is a second authorized Dismount.
• 57:17
  And then that's when you should do the Authorized Dismount and
• 57:21
  then the number of trips. It's the total number of trips.
• 57:26
  If it's too, you put, you know, our b 2 B, 3 R B3.
• 57:32
  If you only make one, if it only takes you one trip out of your
• 57:37
  truck to do your Dismount, then you don't enter anything.
• 57:43
  And we went round and round on this.
• 57:45
  When it first started, it was like know if you do you just do
• 57:50
  one because you just do the additional Dismount as like, no.
• 57:54
  You the firm answer now, is you do the total number of trips and
• 57:59
  then the system will take out the one.
• 58:04
  And now, the other thing of that is don't start making a bunch of
• 58:09
  crazy Dismounts. Like, if you, if you were, if
• 58:13
  you weren't doing anything before, you know, don't suddenly
• 58:16
  make 3des mounts at every CBU or every authorized Dismount, you
• 58:22
  know. That's actual Integrity.
• 58:26
  It's doing it, right? We went over this back in the
• 58:30
  activity, scans podcast, all the scans and all the information on
• 58:34
  the scans. According to the comprehensive
• 58:37
  guide and the quick reference guide that was put out by the
• 58:41
  union. We went over that paperwork back
• 58:44
  then in the Ocoee scan. So if you want to go back and
• 58:46
  listen to that again, great resource for you guys to get an
• 58:49
  idea and you can then talk with your designated union rep if you
• 58:53
  have Questions on it. Alright, the rural reach scan
• 59:00
  and the rural reach program. The rural reach program was
• 59:06
  designed for a way to increase business, customers for the post
• 59:12
  office, try and get people with homegrown businesses.
• 59:16
  People with small businesses to switch from Shipping with FedEx,
• 59:21
  UPS, DHL and all the rest of them over to the United States.
• 59:25
  Postal Service. Now, we used to get an automatic
• 59:29
  credit on every count for Rural reach, but now we don't.
• 59:37
  Now we have to actually reach out and talk with the customers
• 59:42
  and then input the credit. Now we've put out in the past
• 59:47
  that this rural reach scan is for anytime.
• 59:50
  You're dealing with customers to try and increase revenue for the
• 59:53
  Post Office and Management's. Now, coming back that you have
• 59:57
  to have a lead with it. So you can input the lead in the
• 1:00:03
  scanner. You can get real reach booklets
• 1:00:07
  or info cards from management. That's another way.
• 1:00:12
  But my personal opinion is you go out and you talk with a like
• 1:00:18
  the other day. I talked with a customer that
• 1:00:19
  just moved into the house about the services that we provide to
• 1:00:23
  them like stamps. Hold mail, things like that.
• 1:00:27
  That to me is a rural reach. Because I'm talking about
• 1:00:30
  services. That we provide, you know,
• 1:00:33
  management would say well that's not a rural reach because you're
• 1:00:36
  not offering to sell things. Well, I offered to sell stamps
• 1:00:39
  to them. Is that a real reach?
• 1:00:42
  I think carrier discretion should be advised on this.
• 1:00:46
  What do you guys think? Well, I think, I think
• 1:00:49
  management point of view is that if you actually if you actually
• 1:00:52
  are generating a they really wanted for lead generation that
• 1:00:57
  they're going to have their Whatever it's called sales
• 1:01:00
  specialist or whatever, contact them and see what they can do.
• 1:01:04
  So if you're going to do the rural reach activity, scan under
• 1:01:08
  our X, then you should follow it up with the rural reach lead.
• 1:01:13
  Generally generation in your scanner.
• 1:01:15
  I think it's option. You on the main screen, you're
• 1:01:19
  right. And you have to have and if
• 1:01:21
  you're going to do that, you need the full information
• 1:01:24
  because I took a flyer off. Somebody, it's stuck up on one
• 1:01:27
  of my CB use and all it had was Like a name and a phone number.
• 1:01:31
  You need to have an address. You need have a phone number a
• 1:01:34
  point of contact because they got it, they have to have a way
• 1:01:38
  to get a hold of them. So I mean if you don't have that
• 1:01:42
  take that fire into your manager. because then they can
• 1:01:46
  do the lead generation for you, which is that flyer So that's
• 1:01:52
  another way is still part of the rural reach.
• 1:01:54
  The difference is instead of you and putting it, you're putting
• 1:01:57
  it on management and put it then.
• 1:01:59
  If management doesn't input it, that's on them.
• 1:02:01
  You I'm going to make a broad sweeping statement and say that
• 1:02:08
  unless you are following the lead generation as rural reaches
• 1:02:14
  intended, then carrier discretion is a broad stroke in
• 1:02:21
  regards to talking to customers about The whole male sales that
• 1:02:27
  stamps socks sales you know, forwarding services and such I
• 1:02:31
  think that's I wouldn't I wouldn't be personally
• 1:02:35
  comfortable doing that? But like you said it is carrier
• 1:02:38
  just discretion in the Facebook group, I upload got my hands on
• 1:02:42
  a copy of the USPS addendum to the wreck stuff and under the
• 1:02:50
  rural reach because I have done research on it and I've been
• 1:02:53
  double check and It does not say you have to fill in under the
• 1:02:57
  lead on the scanner, but it does say that you need to bring the
• 1:03:01
  lead information back to management.
• 1:03:04
  Whether that be in the method of a lead card or even just jotting
• 1:03:10
  down the person's contact info, and bring it back to management
• 1:03:14
  that you discussed the role reek. now also under carrier
• 1:03:20
  discretion just you know, expand on that if somebody's tucking
• 1:03:25
  their flyers in between the flag in the mailbox and you in put
• 1:03:29
  that information into the rural reach, I'm comfortable with
• 1:03:33
  that, you know, Perry is its discretion, but it is not
• 1:03:41
  paternity, you know that you can generate, you know, some sales
• 1:03:45
  and I think that that follows under it falls under the rule,
• 1:03:49
  reach intentions and excellent workers working ever.
• 1:03:53
  Yeah, this was controversial for a lot of people.
• 1:03:56
  Absolutely not. We have talked about working off
• 1:04:04
  the clock. Numerous episodes, do not do it.
• 1:04:09
  If management, so paying somebody to come in early, then
• 1:04:13
  they need to be clocking in and when you say, oh, it's my
• 1:04:21
  hurting anyone I can't remember, what year, what it might have
• 1:04:28
  been the 2012 arbitration if not, it was the one before that.
• 1:04:37
  but an arbitrator will look at and they see the post office
• 1:04:41
  showed the reports of how many hours on average, it was taking
• 1:04:46
  rural carriers to do their routes.
• 1:04:50
  Which was a lot less. Then the that are valuations
• 1:04:55
  were and the arbitrator reduced the standards of how many pieces
• 1:05:02
  of minute. We got all the different classes
• 1:05:04
  of mail and working off the clock for anybody can affect
• 1:05:08
  your evaluation overall. You're getting, you're possibly
• 1:05:13
  getting more mail outs than you're actually getting credit
• 1:05:16
  for you. Could be doing things that could
• 1:05:19
  get you hurt and then when you're hurt, you don't get owcp.
• 1:05:24
  Which affects you owcp. Gives you 75 percent of your pay
• 1:05:29
  tax free. Until you can get back to work.
• 1:05:46
  What bugs me about this one, is the fact that we have said and
• 1:05:51
  fought for years saying we didn't get paid for everything
• 1:05:55
  we do. So why the hell are you doing
• 1:05:58
  something? You're not, getting paid for,
• 1:06:01
  you're cheating yourself, you're cheating the route, you're
• 1:06:03
  cheating, your sub, you're cheating.
• 1:06:06
  The person who may get that route after you been on another
• 1:06:09
  route or you retire or whatever you leave the post office, your
• 1:06:14
  You're giving them more ammunition and saying that you
• 1:06:18
  can do more for Less. Don't give them any more excuses
• 1:06:24
  to cut your pay folks. And like we said, the arbitrator
• 1:06:28
  took time away from us because of people working off the clock.
• 1:06:32
  It affected every carrier in the nation.
• 1:06:38
  Not just the ones that they were doing it, but everyone of us.
• 1:06:44
  You have that in mind, I'm sick and tired of you know having the
• 1:06:49
  fight for people who turn around and pull this crap and then oh,
• 1:06:56
  I went down for hours. No shit.
• 1:06:59
  Sherlock, you're right. You're reporting times 8:30 in
• 1:07:05
  our office, you're coming in at 7:58 10, you know, you're giving
• 1:07:09
  them hours every week for free. And that's money, you're taking
• 1:07:16
  away from yourself, your family, at your sub.
• 1:07:19
  And everybody else, because the arbitrator somewhere down the
• 1:07:22
  line will say damn, they're getting faster.
• 1:07:29
  Look at the 43 gov DPS letters per minute when we had the FSS
• 1:07:33
  43 Flats of minute. I'm a little confused on how you
• 1:07:39
  do Flats as fast as you do letters, I don't.
• 1:07:43
  But yeah, maybe people do stop chatter.
• 1:07:47
  So what the machine does it faster, Next one, this one was a
• 1:07:55
  controversial one on Facebook taking DPS to the street that
• 1:08:01
  your markups should be sorted while you're on the street, they
• 1:08:04
  should sort them into attempted not known UTF insufficient
• 1:08:10
  address, Etc. Know when you're out on the
• 1:08:13
  street, you're not paid to sort through that stuff.
• 1:08:16
  That is an end of shift Duty, your end of shift duty is to
• 1:08:20
  sort your mail and put it where it belongs.
• 1:08:23
  Great time. Anybody who wants you to do
• 1:08:27
  that. Get it in writing talk with your
• 1:08:30
  union rep because it's an industry, if Duty anybody else.
• 1:08:36
  Well, I mean, I don't know necessarily sort it but I
• 1:08:40
  separate my ooh bum from all the stuff I have to mark up and
• 1:08:43
  forward to, I put my 3M mail in a different spot.
• 1:08:50
  And I put my holds in a different spot and then work
• 1:08:52
  through it when I get to the office.
• 1:08:55
  But I don't, I don't like sort it out, but, you know, I have a
• 1:08:58
  big stack and it's like, you know, sit there and go.
• 1:09:01
  Okay, here's my, here's all my forwards.
• 1:09:04
  Here's all my eye, as here's all my in case here's my you TFS and
• 1:09:10
  just put it all in a big pile and then I do sort it out.
• 1:09:13
  And then the 3M, I have to separate by by the twos.
• 1:09:16
  It is either. It's for our office or the other
• 1:09:19
  office and town. The teza separate zip code.
• 1:09:21
  They want those separated. I don't separate that on the
• 1:09:24
  street. But I do put it in different
• 1:09:26
  sections so that I can. Oh yeah, this is the stuff.
• 1:09:29
  I got a markup and then I worked through all those markups.
• 1:09:33
  Yeah, I just throw mine in a tub.
• 1:09:36
  Now we're gonna go back to my case for when I get back to my
• 1:09:39
  case. That way I get into shift time.
• 1:09:41
  All I can enter shift time for mine too but let's go you but
• 1:09:46
  you're right. I could I could just put it all
• 1:09:47
  in one pile and and take longer at end of shift.
• 1:09:51
  Exactly. And it is part of the appeal,
• 1:09:53
  603 industry of Duty. He's to sort your mail that you
• 1:09:57
  bring back from the route. So, any manager that's telling
• 1:10:02
  you, sorted out on the route so you can bring it back and just
• 1:10:06
  throw it in the slot when you get back, get it in writing,
• 1:10:10
  talk to your union rep. I usually take everything but
• 1:10:18
  any Nick. Oh my nixies except you BBM goes
• 1:10:21
  right into the tub under the case.
• 1:10:22
  But All the rest of the nixies. Just except for, I a go into one
• 1:10:31
  pile of the IAA, goes in separate file and then it goes
• 1:10:35
  for a ride. When I get back in the
• 1:10:37
  afternoon, I actually sort it out.
• 1:10:43
  Yeah, I'm like James. I just stuck it in my pocket
• 1:10:46
  bucket and just sort it back when I get to the office.
• 1:10:50
  The next one, but the scanning Parcels individually versus all
• 1:10:56
  together for each address. because, I okay, I scan all the
• 1:11:07
  so when I get to my CB you and I pull out all my parcels.
• 1:11:13
  I scan all the ones that go into the individual mail slots.
• 1:11:17
  I scan them all at once. Hit enter and put them in the
• 1:11:20
  mail slots. I scan all the ones that are
• 1:11:23
  going into the parcel lockers. I scan them all at once and I
• 1:11:26
  put them in the parcel lockers. The last, the last thing I saw
• 1:11:31
  from the union says that it does not matter.
• 1:11:33
  Whether you scan, you know, scan click through deliver scan,
• 1:11:39
  click through deliver or if you scan them all together, says the
• 1:11:43
  last thing it says is I read it says that the credit is the same
• 1:11:49
  Yeah, yes, with the caveat to that is if the for the same
• 1:11:55
  address now, I still can't. I do the same as you when I get
• 1:11:59
  to my Apartments. I scan the mall, you know, all
• 1:12:04
  the parts of locker ones, completed all the in that
• 1:12:10
  mailbox one, you know older you know this flat things a little
• 1:12:13
  bit right into the mail slot but A legend supposedly it does not
• 1:12:23
  when you scan them all together like that, it's not
• 1:12:26
  differentiating. Addresses.
• 1:12:34
  So in that case, you're not getting if you scan them
• 1:12:38
  separately because they're separate different addresses,
• 1:12:42
  Like Apartment 101 Apartment 102 or 103, so on and so forth,
• 1:12:46
  you're not getting the full credit for them B.
• 1:12:49
  Getting them all together, it was designed for each address to
• 1:12:55
  be scanned together and they know what packages go with each
• 1:13:01
  address. So you're going to get the
• 1:13:02
  credit for that address. However, you scan them whether
• 1:13:06
  you take the time to scan them individually or you run them all
• 1:13:10
  together. It makes you faster on the route
• 1:13:13
  to scan them all together. You get the same credit for both
• 1:13:18
  so however you want to do it. Carrier discretion.
• 1:13:22
  You're going to get the same credit unscanned parcels and
• 1:13:27
  then get this part only to the door or what is 10K unscanned
• 1:13:30
  parcel. Very basically and we do believe
• 1:13:35
  we went over this. The quick reference guide.
• 1:13:38
  Yeah. If the parcel does not have a
• 1:13:41
  barcode on, it does not have a scannable bark.
• 1:13:44
  If it does not have a bar code, it's a nun scam, parcel.
• 1:13:48
  If the barcode won't scan or won't scan, and you can't read
• 1:13:55
  the numbers to type it in. It's a nun scam parcel.
• 1:14:01
  And I don't understand this part only to the door, no understand
• 1:14:04
  parcel has the same delivery options as a regular parcel.
• 1:14:07
  You can deliver it to enter at the mailbox.
• 1:14:10
  You can deliver it to the parcel Locker.
• 1:14:13
  You can deliver it to the door. You can leave it with an
• 1:14:17
  individual. At the address.
• 1:14:19
  You can leave it in the garage or other location, all the same
• 1:14:22
  options for delivering, a regular parcel that you scan are
• 1:14:27
  available under on scan parcel. And you should and you should
• 1:14:31
  select the option. You're doing to get the proper
• 1:14:34
  credit, you know, if it's something you had to walk to the
• 1:14:37
  door, you want to get that, you want to get that credit for
• 1:14:40
  walking, it to the door or handoff to individual whichever
• 1:14:44
  is accurate carrier. Discretion.
• 1:14:47
  This is Carrier discretion on the end scan parcel.
• 1:14:49
  Just like every other scan root out with.
• 1:14:52
  Well, well, what do you know? I don't think there's much
• 1:14:56
  discretion, though. If you can, I mean deal.
• 1:14:59
  I mean if you think that if because I see a lot of people
• 1:15:02
  complain about not wanting to type in the numbers because the
• 1:15:05
  label won't scan. That's not discretion.
• 1:15:08
  I mean that's laziness that's laziness I you know, Because I
• 1:15:17
  heard back, when this all started that, when you manually
• 1:15:20
  put the numbers in, you get a different credit.
• 1:15:24
  Now, it's not showing up on anything from what I saw in my
• 1:15:26
  4241 but supposedly it was supposed to be in there that if
• 1:15:31
  you actually manually input, you get a different credit for it,
• 1:15:35
  so maybe they'll eventually you know that, you know why?
• 1:15:37
  I know that's not true, then they would be banging on, did
• 1:15:41
  they would be banging on Amazon or these Amazon sellers.
• 1:15:45
  And The other bad one I get is Target and cold holes.
• 1:15:52
  Yeah. That their their, their label
• 1:15:55
  printers suck and some of their label printers suck.
• 1:16:01
  Because it's just like because you can look at the number and
• 1:16:05
  say, nope, that one's getting typed in because there's little
• 1:16:07
  gaps in the in the numbers you're typing in.
• 1:16:14
  I think the post office would be would be really banging on them
• 1:16:18
  to make sure they're their printers have ink, the, their
• 1:16:22
  printheads are good, because I tighten there's days, I'm typing
• 1:16:27
  in a lot of those, for those in, for those, for those businesses,
• 1:16:32
  for those sellers. Well you can't worry.
• 1:16:37
  Okay guys, we get a lot of these foundations for contributions
• 1:16:43
  from Native Americans, right? You know, Easter Seals and
• 1:16:47
  everything else. Now in in our office you know,
• 1:16:52
  we get to you lines, everybody gets to you line.
• 1:16:55
  Yep. It that you line doesn't go in
• 1:16:57
  my one inch slot with the mail. In there to me carry discretion,
• 1:17:04
  it's none, scan, parcel. If you get those big envelopes,
• 1:17:09
  the, you know, from the for asking for donations and you
• 1:17:12
  can't bend them to fit your case and you shouldn't have to bend
• 1:17:15
  them to fit in your case because of the fact that they should
• 1:17:18
  slide. In just like any other piece of
• 1:17:20
  mail, whether it be a flatter letter to me that is not
• 1:17:24
  unscannable parcel. Now I have several mailboxes
• 1:17:28
  where I can fit my two grandsons into them because they're
• 1:17:31
  they're not too big, they really are.
• 1:17:33
  I mean I put Priority boxes in there and it doesn't matter if I
• 1:17:37
  have none scan parcel. It's going in the mailbox.
• 1:17:40
  If it won't go into a standard mailbox and I have to take it to
• 1:17:43
  the door, it goes to the door as a nun.
• 1:17:45
  Scan parcel. But again, it's carried
• 1:17:49
  discretion. Yep.
• 1:17:51
  And I think, when I see the you lines people, you know, cry over
• 1:17:54
  this, I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it.
• 1:17:58
  I'll just, I'll just go on to that.
• 1:17:59
  I will say that in our district RDR put out in his in in our
• 1:18:07
  training on the mini mail survey that if it is in your parcel and
• 1:18:13
  I use the general term if it's in your parcel hamper.
• 1:18:18
  It is a parcel. Well, we heard that to during
• 1:18:22
  our West training and then they turn around and shot that down
• 1:18:25
  real quick. Well, Then you have the ones
• 1:18:29
  that sometimes I get the, in my, in my Pub, in my tub, Flats,
• 1:18:35
  you'll have. And, you know, the ones I'm
• 1:18:37
  talking about the Indian School, the VFW, all those ones, and
• 1:18:41
  then I'll find some of them in my parcel cage, right?
• 1:18:45
  So instead, I treat them all the same here is here is in the PO,
• 1:18:53
  603 the definition of a parcel. A parcel is a any frigid article
• 1:19:01
  that exceeds any one of the following Dimensions 5 inches in
• 1:19:06
  height. 18 inches in length, one and 9/16, and width.
• 1:19:16
  So that is what they call a parcel.
• 1:19:21
  So do with that. What you wish?
• 1:19:24
  Yeah, Carrie asleep. I was going to say too because
• 1:19:28
  they're saying we don't use the blue rulers anymore, and the
• 1:19:31
  blue rulers are based on those, on those measurements that you
• 1:19:34
  just that you just read. Yes.
• 1:19:39
  So if you believe must be reading my mic cuz I was just
• 1:19:42
  going to say something about the blue rulers with that one, too.
• 1:19:45
  That's RDR, said not in my drawer.
• 1:19:49
  He said he said that. The blue, the you can just throw
• 1:19:52
  away your blue rulers now because we don't use them
• 1:19:54
  anymore. But the only language, the only
• 1:19:58
  language we have is the P. 603. I mean other than them saying,
• 1:20:02
  if it's in your if it's in your hamper, it's a parcel.
• 1:20:06
  The only, the only concrete language we have is the P 603
• 1:20:10
  which has those measurements that James just read?
• 1:20:13
  And those equate to the gaps on the blue measuring gauge, which
• 1:20:19
  they say, we don't need to use anymore.
• 1:20:23
  So this really this really, really falls under under the
• 1:20:27
  heading of carrier discretion, take all of that oral diarrhea.
• 1:20:31
  I just I just spewed. And do with it.
• 1:20:35
  What you will? No, we are.
• 1:20:42
  There's only there we go. Now I can't recall but I have
• 1:20:48
  seen in Rex where they still do the dimensions of 18 and a half
• 1:20:53
  inches and all and I've stood there laughing on folks.
• 1:20:57
  I mean you make up your mind is it a parcel?
• 1:21:00
  Or isn't it long? As you as long as you feel, you
• 1:21:03
  can back it up. Don't leave money on the table
• 1:21:06
  if you can back it up. Yeah, they'll leave them.
• 1:21:10
  This next one is definitely for you.
• 1:21:13
  If I don't have DPS for the box, I'm not stopping at it.
• 1:21:20
  What if, what if you have a box folder?
• 1:21:23
  What if you have newspapers? It dropped off the dear doc
• 1:21:26
  every morning. What if you have marriage mail,
• 1:21:30
  what if you have clerk male? What if you have the food drive
• 1:21:34
  cards? What if you have any number of
• 1:21:37
  items? That's nothing pregnant yet.
• 1:21:41
  Flag the flags up and I don't have mail for it.
• 1:21:45
  Why should I stop I'm not getting credit for it because
• 1:21:49
  the wreck systems recording whether I have DPS for it folks.
• 1:21:54
  You stopped at the mailbox for flag, you stop for clerk,
• 1:21:58
  letters for box holders for saturation, mailings for
• 1:22:02
  whatever you want to call it. If you have one article mail.
• 1:22:06
  If the flag is up, if somebody has a parcel in a plastic bag,
• 1:22:12
  hanging from your mailbox for Carrier pick up.
• 1:22:16
  Stop for the Box. if you don't have anything for that box, if I
• 1:22:25
  don't have anything for that box and their flag is not up, I'm
• 1:22:30
  not stopping at the Box. I'm not getting caught one way
• 1:22:35
  or the other trying to pad my delivery evaluation. .
• 1:22:43
  T 06-03. Your delivery and pickup
• 1:22:50
  information is in the PO. 603, it says an email that you have
• 1:22:56
  to be delivered to the Box, the day you receive it.
• 1:22:59
  Unless management authorizes you to leave it.
• 1:23:04
  If the flag is up, you are required to stop at that box.
• 1:23:08
  Now, I know that some people, well, big hashtag going around
• 1:23:13
  is not today, Postal Inspector. Whistle inspector could probably
• 1:23:18
  go around and throw a letter in a box.
• 1:23:20
  Put the flag up and see if you picked it up.
• 1:23:23
  Don't take that chance with your job.
• 1:23:26
  Now, I know a lot of people are going to say, oh the postal
• 1:23:28
  inspectors, don't do a lot of them but they don't go around
• 1:23:30
  and do a lot of stuff. They do.
• 1:23:33
  They set up stings on people. They get enough complaints.
• 1:23:37
  They're going to actually investigate people will call in,
• 1:23:41
  they'll call your postmaster, they'll call District they'll
• 1:23:44
  call National and complain, and then the postal inspectors will
• 1:23:48
  come out and see if you're doing it.
• 1:23:50
  Whether it's leaving, mail for days, on end in the mailbox,
• 1:23:53
  whether it's stealing gift. Cards from the mail.
• 1:23:57
  Like some people have been doing some people have stolen check
• 1:24:00
  some people have stolen money. So the postal inspectors will
• 1:24:04
  come out and do do sting operations.
• 1:24:06
  If they feel like something's amiss on your row and then
• 1:24:09
  you'll get in trouble for it. And the postal inspectors are a
• 1:24:12
  lot better at writing, paperwork than your local postmaster.
• 1:24:16
  Is the union would have a harder time fighting against it, so be
• 1:24:22
  mindful and do your job because customer service is Is the one
• 1:24:27
  thing us rural carriers, do best?
• 1:24:30
  We take care of our customers, we watch out for our customers.
• 1:24:35
  That's our pride. In our job here your head said
• 1:24:39
  that they their postmaster was having them back to the same
• 1:24:46
  time whether or not Under the new validation.
• 1:24:52
  Again, it goes back to the seven and a half hour.
• 1:24:54
  We talked about earlier if managers telling you to come
• 1:24:57
  back at your evaluated time, that's delaying.
• 1:25:02
  The mail in essence and hurting your evaluation, so by them
• 1:25:10
  telling you a comeback, you want that?
• 1:25:12
  Tell him you want that in writing round, dated and signed
• 1:25:15
  on your desk. When you get back in the office
• 1:25:19
  and and you need to contact, I would take that straight to your
• 1:25:22
  District route. Yeah, straight to your District
• 1:25:25
  rep because that needs to be moved up to the district office,
• 1:25:31
  because your union rep will pass it up to your District rep.
• 1:25:34
  Your District rep will take it to the district office.
• 1:25:36
  That's the only people that can talk to district office, is your
• 1:25:39
  District rep. So, I would talk with your
• 1:25:44
  manager that's putting that. Yeah, so don't don't let them
• 1:25:50
  bully. You get it in writing.
• 1:25:53
  Beautiful the other. Stop saying things when you ask
• 1:25:56
  for it and writing that funny. Yeah, that's that's how you get
• 1:26:02
  us all. If they want to put their name
• 1:26:05
  on it, then that means they stand behind it.
• 1:26:08
  I armed all my carriers with that phrase.
• 1:26:11
  Can I get that in writing? And text messages are not an
• 1:26:16
  official form of communication. Except in an emergency, however
• 1:26:21
  you can use text message images. You can print them out, take a
• 1:26:25
  screenshot, send them to your email, print them out and use
• 1:26:29
  them as more examples of them giving you direct orders like
• 1:26:34
  they say in the text. I'm giving you a direct order to
• 1:26:37
  do this because a text message is going to be time.
• 1:26:40
  Stamped mmm. So you can actually show on this
• 1:26:45
  date. At this time, they gave me a
• 1:26:48
  direct order to do this. So, even though text messages
• 1:26:53
  are not an official form of communication, you can still use
• 1:26:57
  them as examples of them, giving you direct orders and at least
• 1:27:02
  supposedly. Yep, the other thing too, is we
• 1:27:05
  say it's supposed to be for emergency and the same thing
• 1:27:10
  with messages through the scanner.
• 1:27:12
  They're supposed to be you know emergency situations they can't
• 1:27:16
  say you know hey there's You know, make sure you make sure
• 1:27:23
  you're taking emergency or safety messages, you know, they
• 1:27:27
  can't say, Hey, you know it's hot today.
• 1:27:29
  Make sure you're taking breaks in the shade.
• 1:27:32
  Oh, by the way parts, we have late Parcels.
• 1:27:34
  Come back to the office. They can't speak something in
• 1:27:37
  like that. They have to be directly safety
• 1:27:40
  or emergency messages only For example, tornado, warning in the
• 1:27:48
  area, get to say filter if we're coming up on major tornado
• 1:27:52
  season. We've had quite a few in the
• 1:27:54
  country already. That's an example of an
• 1:27:56
  emergency message. Or another example was there was
• 1:28:02
  a shooting at a mall just recently in Texas.
• 1:28:06
  If a carrier was in that area that manager could send a
• 1:28:09
  message. Hey there's a shooter at this
• 1:28:11
  mall. Find safe shelter somewhere
• 1:28:14
  that's an emergency message. Yep.
• 1:28:16
  Police activity. Yeah, Amber Alert.
• 1:28:25
  Yeah, yeah. So Any kind of message that's in
• 1:28:30
  Urgent Message that results in your Safety and Security is
• 1:28:37
  considered an emergency message. A make sure you're back by 6:00
• 1:28:42
  technically is not an emergency message.
• 1:28:47
  No. But if it's if it's winter time
• 1:28:50
  and they send a message out that says all carriers are to be back
• 1:28:53
  by 6:00. That is an emergency message
• 1:28:57
  because they're calling everybody back to the office.
• 1:29:00
  I do recall. Yep, General recall or roads are
• 1:29:04
  getting bad, all carriers, come back to the office.
• 1:29:10
  So weather-related emergencies active shooters.
• 1:29:16
  You know, or a wildfire in your area.
• 1:29:21
  That's another one that can happen.
• 1:29:23
  Especially in our more rural areas Wildfire roads.
• 1:29:27
  Are these roads are now closed in on your route.
• 1:29:30
  That's an emergency message. First, if you like management,
• 1:29:36
  my office, you won't have that information until we actually
• 1:29:38
  get back and say, hey, yeah. If you, if you have a manager at
• 1:29:44
  Steve's on top of that stuff, you got a good manager.
• 1:29:48
  At least for that aspect and the free phrase for that aspect by
• 1:29:55
  carrier, carrier discretion on whether that's a good manager,
• 1:29:58
  not God. I did notice was comedy night.
• 1:30:05
  Well, we did. Anybody.
• 1:30:20
  And if you take anything away from good for you.
• 1:30:23
  Yeah, exactly. If it gets you to talk with your
• 1:30:27
  union rep, hurrying, we did our job.
• 1:30:32
  We, if we, if we gave our Union reps, a reason to talk with
• 1:30:37
  their carriers, hooray. I mean, yeah, granted, we may
• 1:30:41
  have made more work for them, but that means they're actually
• 1:30:43
  getting in contact with their carriers and actually working on
• 1:30:46
  building up the craft. I will take that as a win.
• 1:30:50
  Mark, you decided that you stepped up to be as Union,
• 1:30:53
  steward, yay. Or you decided you're going to
• 1:30:57
  run for local state or national office.
• 1:31:00
  Yeah. Hey.
• 1:31:01
  Are you just going to go in and send them eating?
• 1:31:03
  Yay. Sorry for if you're willing to
• 1:31:08
  pass on information to your fellow rural carrier, that may
• 1:31:11
  not listen to our podcast or, you know, pass on information.
• 1:31:15
  Hey, I just read this in the p. Three.
• 1:31:18
  Check this out. Yay.
• 1:31:23
  Or if your supervisor confused her cell phone with you the
• 1:31:26
  scanner and accidentally sent you a Chick-fil-A order and say,
• 1:31:35
  hey as long as they paid for it. But they only work four hours a
• 1:32:29
  day. And then the rest of the time
• 1:32:32
  they're working 10 hours a day. And they average out to six and
• 1:32:37
  a half six days a week. So you want that serious thing
• 1:32:45
  with doing hourly like the city carriers?
• 1:32:49
  You may lose that protection of only having your one route?
• 1:32:55
  Yes, he definitely will. I mean, that that's the other
• 1:32:59
  downfall to being hourly and if you think your micromanage now?
• 1:33:07
  Yeah. Imagine when it's going to be
• 1:33:09
  like, why you you stop for Ten minutes here.
• 1:33:12
  You stopped for 15 minutes there.
• 1:33:13
  What were you doing? You want to know
• 1:33:15
  micromanagement? Ask one of your city carrier
• 1:33:17
  brother--and or sister. Yep.
• 1:33:21
  They know all about the micromanaging of your hours.
• 1:33:24
  When your hourly ask them. They'll tell you not only how it
• 1:33:28
  goes and not only that. You know, I know people are
• 1:33:32
  complaining about all the extra stuff you have to do Under the
• 1:33:35
  RX. Think about before the before
• 1:33:39
  the city carriers went off the Actual physical time, clocks.
• 1:33:42
  They had their little card, you know, they had a clock in, they
• 1:33:45
  had to clock out. If they changed.
• 1:33:48
  If they were doing a different function, they had to go back to
• 1:33:51
  the time, clock, swipe, their card and change their function
• 1:33:54
  on the time clock and now they're doing it on the scanner.
• 1:33:58
  Yeah. It's like clerks had to do it.
• 1:34:00
  Just like the janitors had to do that.
• 1:34:02
  So, you know, you know, that if we go hourly, our Rex will
• 1:34:09
  probably go on a system like the city.
• 1:34:11
  We would probably go on a system like the city carriers and
• 1:34:14
  you're going to clock in and clock out, you're going to break
• 1:34:16
  in breakout and any little change in your function.
• 1:34:22
  You're going to you're going to have to enter it into the
• 1:34:24
  scanner so you're going to be doing the RX stuff but in a
• 1:34:29
  different it will be a different flavor and only an on top of
• 1:34:34
  that want to do that. There won't be any more six hour
• 1:34:38
  days, on a tooth, on a Wednesday after a Tuesday.
• 1:34:41
  Day after a holiday. There's nothing.
• 1:34:44
  What are you the short days anymore?
• 1:34:46
  You're going to be there eight hours minimum?
• 1:34:49
  Yep. Minimum and like I said before
• 1:34:53
  let's not forget City carriers. Also have to submit a 39.96 if
• 1:34:58
  they're requesting anything over whether it's auxiliary
• 1:35:01
  Assistance or overtime, they have to put that request in To
• 1:35:08
  be granted that a management will say nope.
• 1:35:12
  And so now you're got to try and push nine and a half hours worth
• 1:35:15
  of work in eight hours because they just deny you, your OT, or
• 1:35:19
  your assistance. And like I said before it, and
• 1:35:25
  you were just saying if you wanted your eight hours, you
• 1:35:27
  have to and you you know, you're efficient, you're one of the
• 1:35:31
  speed demons, you know, we report it 7:30 or done by one.
• 1:35:35
  Well, guess what? You Have to be there till 3:30
• 1:35:38
  for the next two hours. Hey, we're we were short, you
• 1:35:42
  know? Hey, we were down two routes
• 1:35:45
  today. We need you to take two hours
• 1:35:47
  off of pick your route. Or two hours off of Route 2 and
• 1:35:52
  Route 3. Eat more.
• 1:35:54
  You can make it or no I really have to leave and it's like okay
• 1:36:00
  if you want to get paid today then you then you need to put in
• 1:36:04
  leave and then we'll of course will be able to start taking
• 1:36:07
  leave an hourly segments to then it's like, well then you need to
• 1:36:11
  submit a leaves leave request, or you need to put in leave for
• 1:36:14
  these last two hours. Set, and here's a problem with
• 1:36:18
  that whole scenario. Say you have a Jason on your on
• 1:36:22
  in your office and he does his Aid, our route and five and a
• 1:36:25
  half hours every day. He's been doing it that way for
• 1:36:28
  the last two and a half years, they have down routes and they
• 1:36:32
  turn around. They want to hand off two hours
• 1:36:34
  to them. Okay?
• 1:36:36
  Now the problem of it is he'll start slowing down so that he
• 1:36:39
  starts working these hours and they come back and say look for
• 1:36:43
  two and a half years, you've been doing it for five and five
• 1:36:45
  and a half hours. The only time you went over five
• 1:36:48
  and a half hours during the Christmas over time, with all of
• 1:36:50
  a sudden, you were working your eight hours.
• 1:36:53
  They're going to use all this data in there.
• 1:36:55
  In the wreck system that are advantageous a know, you can do
• 1:37:00
  it as you have for the past two and a half years and we're
• 1:37:03
  giving these two hours. Now we're going to come into a
• 1:37:06
  big fight over that because who's the say that he's not
• 1:37:10
  entitled to take that time to do is Route in the format of eight
• 1:37:16
  and a half eight and two-thirds hours.
• 1:37:18
  That is revaluation is Yep, and reviews, the take an extra, two
• 1:37:24
  hours work off of Route, two or three.
• 1:37:27
  Yep. All right.
• 1:37:29
  I think we're going to start winding this down, actually, now
• 1:37:32
  that she's home. I had this whole thing that I
• 1:37:37
  wanted to talk about earlier and I've wanted to and every time I
• 1:37:41
  get a chance, I'm going to have to write it down next time.
• 1:37:43
  So I can remind myself for next time because it totally escaped
• 1:37:48
  me again. So far.
• 1:37:50
  Of those things going to. Yes, I want to talk about that
• 1:37:53
  and then. Okay, it's a few days and then
• 1:37:55
  you forget about it and then gets closer like, oh yeah, I'm
• 1:37:58
  going to talk about that. And then things happen.
• 1:38:02
  And yeah. So next time, I remember what I
• 1:38:05
  wanted to talk about, I will write it down so I could talk
• 1:38:09
  about it. You have any final thoughts.
• 1:38:12
  Kristen on what we talked about the in-betweens of what I heard?
• 1:38:17
  Yeah, because it was going in and out of Psych know, Yeah.
• 1:38:23
  Basically, you know, guys, if you need of any type of moral
• 1:38:28
  support, mental support definitely.
• 1:38:34
  There are revenues to reach out. You know, my prayers and
• 1:38:37
  thoughts are with these families that are affected.
• 1:38:40
  Most definitely I may go ahead and post up the go fund me on
• 1:38:46
  the Facebook page and a little bit.
• 1:38:48
  Once I get log back in and everybody stay safe.
• 1:38:53
  Do your jobs, we're providing a service.
• 1:38:56
  Keep providing that service. If management wants to fight you
• 1:39:00
  on. Providing that service contact
• 1:39:03
  your union rep. I can't stress that enough.
• 1:39:06
  It's, you know, we are not the answer for Buddy, like I said,
• 1:39:11
  this podcast is entertainment purposes.
• 1:39:13
  Only you take something away. That's awesome.
• 1:39:17
  But the people that you really genuinely should be talking to
• 1:39:21
  is your local stewards, various towards a DRS DRS.
• 1:39:26
  You know, make sure you're contacting them if Management's
• 1:39:29
  trying to pull some funky stuff. Other than that, you know, guys
• 1:39:34
  do your job, the way, you know, how to do it, do it to your best
• 1:39:38
  ability. And you know, eventually all
• 1:39:42
  this BS quirks and everything that's wrong with Rex.
• 1:39:49
  Hopefully, someday may eventually get worked out, we
• 1:39:54
  hope so, for everybody's sake and but yeah, be safe out there.
• 1:39:59
  Hug your loved ones, tell them. You love them.
• 1:40:03
  And I'll give that on to the next guy, cuz now I have to go
• 1:40:08
  in and face the music. Mike.
• 1:40:16
  Part of part of our compensation, if you didn't, if
• 1:40:20
  you didn't see it, they came out and said that for this year, to
• 1:40:25
  regular. If you're carrying over leave
• 1:40:28
  for this year, you can carry 65 days over at the end of the
• 1:40:31
  year. Always remember that.
• 1:40:35
  Leave is part of your compensation and if if you need
• 1:40:43
  time, if you need to take a mental health day Or if you just
• 1:40:48
  need to take a break. You have leave to use, put it
• 1:40:53
  in, Take the Lead fight for it if you have to but take your
• 1:40:58
  time off, okay? And like Kristen said, you know,
• 1:41:04
  tomorrow's not tomorrow's, not promised to us anyway.
• 1:41:08
  So don't ever you know, don't don't miss a chance to tell the
• 1:41:11
  people who are important to you that they're important to you.
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  Say take advantage of saying of your loved ones while while
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  you're while they are around. So, I'll just leave it there.
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  Like we've said, multiple times. Do what you're supposed to do.
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  How you're supposed to do it? Don't cut Corners.
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  Don't try and inflate. Your numbers.
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  If you feel, you need help. Like I said, the top of the
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  episode, if you feel you need help. find someone to talk to,
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  whether it be a friend, a family member, A co-worker pap.
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  Some, you know, someone anyone, as I always say, try not to get
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  overwhelmed. If you do take a step back, take
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  a deep breath and step back in. Hope everyone has a good week
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  will speak to you next time. It really bothers me when
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  somebody is driven to the point. Of taking their own life over.
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  Something like a job, I and I've been overwhelmed in my life at
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  times and thankfully, my upbringing prevailed, I've never
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  considered suicide but I can understand how people are driven
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  to that point. I just want us to look out for
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  each other. Even if I don't like you
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  personally, I don't want anything to happen to you
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  because there are other people who depend on you.
• 1:43:19
  Who love you? Who do like you.
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  And to me, each life is important whether we get along
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  or not and life is so short and precious that we need to take
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  care of each other. I know coming from an asshole
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  like myself. This is, you know, Monumental
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  somebody trying to understand that I am this sentimental,
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  emotional whatever, thoughtful in regards to people, but life
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  is too precious. I have lost a son, I have lost
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  my parents. I have lost brothers and
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  sisters. and not not anything, you know, of them take hurting
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  themselves but, you know, through other means And you
• 1:44:15
  don't realize how important you are to the people in your life.
• 1:44:22
  So if you ever get to a point where you consider harming
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  yourself, step back and think of them, instead of thinking of
• 1:44:31
  yourself, reach out there are plenty of resources, UAP
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  Suicide, Hotline there there your local Pastor or priest, or
• 1:44:43
  Minister that Don't give up. Just like we fight for our craft
• 1:44:51
  here on this podcast, okay? Fight for yourself, fight for
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  your family fight, for your loved ones, your friends.
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  Don't give up. There is plenty of support out
• 1:45:07
  there if you ask and and for everybody who is not of that
• 1:45:12
  mind, do you wear of their? There are people that in our
• 1:45:17
  offices that suffer some sort of mental illness or sickness
• 1:45:22
  depression, whatever. That you may just notice little
• 1:45:26
  things that being off, like I said, approach them make small
• 1:45:30
  talk, let it lead into a conversation, how they're doing
• 1:45:34
  and everything else, you kind of feel them out, but don't let
• 1:45:38
  them feel alone. We are craft.
• 1:45:42
  We are a family. And I don't like everybody.
• 1:45:47
  My family is sure. Everybody doesn't like everybody
• 1:45:51
  to family, but you don't get to pick them.
• 1:45:54
  But we're still a family and we're here for you.
• 1:45:58
  If you don't want to reach out to, you know, those those
• 1:46:01
  resources you have out there reach out to us.
• 1:46:06
  I have done more than my share in helping people in my office
• 1:46:11
  outside of the office, across the country in postal service.
• 1:46:17
  So, go out there, be safe, do your job as you're expected to
• 1:46:23
  do it, do it. As you're paid to do it.
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  He's safe and get home to your loved ones.
• 1:46:29
  And when you get home, hug them, kiss them and tell them you love
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  them. Because like that carrier who
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  Way hours before his retirement you never know.
• 1:46:40
  When that last moment is Make sure your loved ones.
• 1:46:45
  Know how much you care about them?
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  Very well said guys, I really like that.
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  I'm going to piggyback off of that as someone who has actually
• 1:47:01
  witnessed the devastation of that to a family.
• 1:47:07
  Not my own, but to a family, and how it affects them, we all need
• 1:47:15
  to be out together in this. There is always somebody to talk
• 1:47:20
  to Whether it be EAP or 988 or your friends, your family, like
• 1:47:31
  he said a pastor or priest, your religious leader counselor there
• 1:47:38
  are a lot of counselors out there and a lot of the insurance
• 1:47:42
  providers out there. Actually pay for most
• 1:47:45
  counseling's. There are actually different
• 1:47:50
  Avenues you can go. Health has people that can do
• 1:47:53
  that to under a lot of County programs or state programs to
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  assist with that. You are not alone, we are not
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  alone and to go off of what we were talking about today.
• 1:48:07
  You're going to have questions, you're going to have different
• 1:48:10
  answers. But we're all in this together,
• 1:48:13
  we're here for each other. We're here to support each other
• 1:48:17
  and get through this with each other.
• 1:48:20
  To the families that have lost loved ones to suicide.
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  We feel for you. if you are a family member of a postal
• 1:48:30
  employee, who has Done this. Reach out to us.
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  We're here for you to your family, is our family.
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  We're not alone. Thank you guys for listening
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  tonight and we'll see you on the next episode.
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  Good night.