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It's Friday I'm Done With Photoshopped Wrinkles · Friday I'm in Bed

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Welcome to Friday. I'm in bed.
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Podcast for midlife women living their best life.
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Well, in bed by 10 this week on Friday, I'm in bed.
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We're asking whether celebrities should get political at award
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shows like the Golden Globes, or whether that's still making
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people unnecessarily uncomfortable.
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Plus we're chatting about Jade from the Traitors and the 430 LB
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hand knitted cardigan that divided the Internet between the
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outrageous and finally creatives being paid properly.
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And finally, we're talking about Kate Winslet's recent photo
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shoot and the very obvious Photoshop.
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No shade to her because she's been cleared.
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She doesn't want it. But why magazines still insist
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And and what does that do to the rest of us, especially when the
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women in question are in their 50s?
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Grab a cuppa and let's get into it.
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Hi, Jim. How are you?
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I am very good. Thank you.
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Kate, how are you? Did you have a good week?
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I did have a good week. It was OK.
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Our family are struggling a little bit with, how should I
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call it, the winter Blues, sad, you know, that kind of January
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thing. I've noticed that everybody like
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1 by 1 is feeling more sort of despondent and sort of bored.
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There's been that theme in our house.
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We've just gone past Quitters Day, haven't we?
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So I nearly suggested that as a podcast topic, but we were so
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overwhelmed with other exciting things to discuss, which is like
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the the second Monday in January when we all just, like, give up.
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Or Friday. Yeah, when we all just, like,
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give up, apparently. And like.
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Yeah, it's like Blue Monday and all that and obviously that's
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such a marketing thing, but but I think January is a really
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tough time because you just, it feels endless, doesn't it?
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I think that's the thing and you just sort of it's cold and
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holiday seems a far away and and and normally we spend lots of
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time in the garden and there's nothing to do with done
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everything in the garden so you can't get outside.
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So we've been feeling a bit. I think it's a.
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A little month and I also think that in our heads it kind of
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starts like just after Christmas, right?
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So it's like an extra week. So it's not just a five week
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month, it's like a six week month.
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Yeah, and I've got, we've got a lot planned.
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So I was saying to my husband who's really feeling like, oh,
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you know, it's like there's nothing to look forward to.
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And I'm like, well, actually we've got a lot planned.
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We're going to a gig tonight. My son's in a band and he's
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playing tomorrow night and Saturday night and we're going
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to see my dad and like, so we've got lots of things.
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So it's kind of like, let's just get through it because you know
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that come sort of February, mid February, you know, as time as
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we, as we, as we move into spring, you just feel just a
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little bit better. You know what?
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I mean, I heard it this morning, there were birds singing and
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stuff, but I mean, the weather's warmed up considerably.
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Not to talk about the weather again because very British.
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Obviously I've just come back from a weekend away.
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So I went to Croatia last year on a trip, like a group trip and
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met like a load of other girls there.
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And we've just come back from a weekend visit to Sherwood
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Forest, so looking for Robin Hood and we stayed in like a
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cabin. There was a hot tub and a log
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burner. I would very much recommend that
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as a way of dealing with January.
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Yeah, well, and. Slightly 4th in the forest.
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It sounds wonderful. We've actually got a hot tub and
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last week I was in it with, like, snow and frost all around,
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you know, And it being in it and looking out is lovely.
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But unfortunately, the rest of my house, well, my husband was
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like, oh, it's too cold. And it's like, no, actually it's
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the perfect time to be in it because it just feels.
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Yeah, lovely. Once you get in it, you're like,
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oh, it's lovely. Yeah, that's what we were sat
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there. And every now and again you get
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too hot and you have to lift your shoulders.
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And go, Oh no, that's fine. Well, I am.
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I sit in it with a woolly hat on.
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I've got that now. That picture, that image is
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going to live rent free in my head forever now.
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That's it. To be fair, I have posted that
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image on stories so everybody could be.
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That is amazing. That is absolutely amazing.
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I need a wooly hat now and a hot tub.
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Anyway, we have so much to talk about this week to the point
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where we do we discuss 3 topics a week and I think we had about
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7:00 so we better get into it. So I want to start off very
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specifically. The thing that's brought this up
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is Mark Ruffalo at the Golden Globes Awards, where he was
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doing an interview. They kind of asked him how he
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was and he said, well, not good actually, because the world's an
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awful place. And he was wearing a pin for
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Renee Goode, who was the civilian human being that was
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shocked by ICE agents in it was getting mixed up.
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Is it Minneapolis or Minnesota? I thought it began with
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Minnesota. Thank you.
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Begins with an M1 of them is probably like 5000 miles from
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the other one. But yeah, was shot by an ICE
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agent, which was awful. I'm sure we've all seen the
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video, but he basically stood up and used his platform that he
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had there to say he was wearing this pin and that he thinks that
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it's terrible. We shouldn't be allowed to shoot
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civilians in the street, which sounds like a given to me
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personally. And some people are very
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annoyed. Some people think that
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celebrities should stay in their lane.
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And, you know, at the Golden Globes, they should be all
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frothy and light and not giving their political opinions.
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Personally, I think they bloody well should be.
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Like, I think they have every right to use a platform that
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they have to give those critical opinions.
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I also don't think that we should force people to have
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political opinions if they if they if they don't want to share
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them or if they're just not ready to be that person that
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stands up and puts themselves out there.
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That because at the end of the day, it's not their job.
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It's not an obligation to them to do that any more than it is
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for their like the postman to turn up at your door in the
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morning and go, hey, you, who did you vote for?
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Yeah, I don't think it's their job.
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But I think if they want to use their platform like that, I
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think they have every right as as a human being to do so.
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I mean, have you have you seen the clip?
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What? Did you think seen the clip And
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I've seen obviously people wearing pins, for example,
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Ariana Grande, who my daughter's obsessed with, you know, I saw
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her with the pin. And actually I have seen like
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lots of people complaining about it.
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Although people complaining about celebrities giving their
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political views, particularly at award ceremonies, isn't exactly
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new because obviously people have talked about Palestine,
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people have talked about trans rights, people have talked about
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lots of things. And what makes me almost laugh
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is, you know, like, look at Bob Dylan in the 1960s, you know,
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like, as just an example, like celebrities, whether they're
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singers, actors or whatever, talking about world issues and
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civil rights isn't exactly a new thing.
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But people are talking about it as if, like, literally Mark
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Ruffalo just invented it as a concept when, you know, we had
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Sinead O'Connor in the 90s. As I said, Bob Dylan actually,
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quite often, more often than not, creatives are liberal.
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Not all the time, obviously, but generally, you know, they're in,
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they work in a creative industry.
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They are, you know, they do talk about these things.
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So what made me almost giggle a little bit at the the negative
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comments was like, but it was the eye rolling like, oh, you
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know, today this is what celebs are like.
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It's like, no, this isn't there isn't you.
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And also there is a lot of backlash for celebrities not
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using their platform. Now, obviously you've said
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nobody has to. You know, everybody can do what
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they like. But there are people, for
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example, Taylor Swift, who's obviously one of the biggest
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celebrities on the planet, who has not spoken out.
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So she has had a lot of backlash, but not voicing her
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opinion, whatever that opinion is.
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So it's almost like we don't know her opinion.
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And it's all, again, it's like, as you said, does she have to?
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But people complain if you do speak out, but also complain if
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you don't speak out. I think that we have this kind
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of like mental distinction between what we think of as
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artists, so music musicians and that kind of thing that we that
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like you were talking about Bob Dylan and Sade O'Connor and, and
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those that kind of thing. I think we have this kind of
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mental distinction between them as artists and people that we
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think of as celebrities, which quite often does include a lot
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of actors and ones where where people want them to be their
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light entertainment, if you if you like.
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So they're maybe not expecting great art from them.
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So they would rather that they just like stuck to being the
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Hulk and like didn't, didn't bother them with politics while
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they're, while they're having their light entertainment.
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I, I don't think that's fair because I, I think, I mean,
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everyone's got their opinions. Some people are more, some
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people are more like informed on things than others.
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And I don't think if your job is, if your job is essentially,
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you know, to be the Hulk. I know he's done other things.
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Man, we've got to put it out there.
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Although I do have a tendency to call him Mark Gruffalo, so I
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need to just in case I say that I do know he's not called.
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But that's what that's what he is.
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That a little bit in my head. But to be honest, I hadn't given
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a huge amount of thought. I thought you seemed like quite
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a nice guy. Now I'm a big fan.
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I, yeah, I love him. I love what he did.
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And I love that he felt that he had to say something.
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But at the end of the day, if if you, you know, you just want to
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be an actor or you want to be a singer or something like that,
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that doesn't necessarily give you an obligation to keep
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yourself in informed enough on world events that you can stand
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up and talk about it in public. So I think I don't, I don't
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think there's that obligation. And I see it on a lot of
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influence as well that get a lot of shtick off people if they've
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got a big platform and they and they're like, well, I've been
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talking about clothes for like 20 years and just literally
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showing you how to get dressed. Like, what makes you think I'm
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going to suddenly decide that I need to talk about immigration?
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Policy. Well, I'd love to talk about
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this. And I was going to bring this up
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because there are influencers or just content creators, people in
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the public eye that aren't, you know, aren't actors, let's just
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say, or singers who face the backlash of not speaking out,
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but then face a huge backlash if they do speak out.
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So I follow a woman, she's an Australian influencer.
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Let's call her an influencer. She wouldn't probably want to be
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called that. She's a model and she does
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fashion and all sorts of things, but has very publicly spoken out
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about Gaza and lost almost all her brand deals because she was
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speaking out. But then I know somebody else
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that hasn't spoken out and got so much backlash for not
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speaking out. And and as somebody, obviously
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the people I'm referring to have got like a million followers or
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something and I'm obviously not there, but I am somebody that
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has a lot of followers and I have this real like.
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Oh. Like shall I shan't I?
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And I and like, how much should I go and how much should I not?
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And I have this real kind of like dilemma.
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And I know ultimately I can do what I like.
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I know that. But I also know that people look
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to me to have an opinion on it because it's like, well, you
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have an opinion on this, so why don't have you?
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You have an opinion on that, you know?
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Yeah, exactly. I mean, my platform is tiny
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obviously in comparison to 1,000,000 and in comparison to
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you, you know, but I still do because I know where I stand on
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these things, pretty much all of them.
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Occasionally there are there are topics where I go, oh, I hadn't
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even heard of this, where am I? So I know where I stand on all
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these topics, but I don't feel like I am informed enough or
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enough of a of a voice to actually make content around it.
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Like there's there be occasionally I've put stuff on
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my stories. If something just happens to
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come up, I would comment on it, but I don't.
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I certainly don't think that I'm the voice that needs to add to
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the noise around some of this stuff.
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I feel like even when things are going really disgustingly wrong
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in the world, sometimes you do, you just need a little place
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where maybe you can go and just be quiet sometimes.
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And I think of my kind of corner of the Internet more like that.
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Like I this is a corner for me and the people that want to be
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in it, not for the world. Yeah.
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But that doesn't mean to say that in my private life, I
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don't, I don't do things. I don't, you know, write
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letters, go to protests. That kind of thing.
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It's just not necessarily something I shout about.
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Yeah. And I think there's people have
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forgotten that bit, you know? So for example, somebody might
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give to charity but doesn't talk about it.
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But then if they're then talking about fashion, it's almost like
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what are you doing to give back? Or just using that as an
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example, because I know the things I do that are private, do
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I have to share it? But then I get backlash for not
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talking about like I shared. I've got quite a few political
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slogan T-shirts that I have bought.
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One says drop beats not bombs. 1 is peace is a verb.
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And, and I wear them and I went into gigs and you know, and,
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and, and I am a really political person and I, I wore one in a
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story that said stop funding war.
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And then, I mean, most of it was fine.
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But you know, then there's that person going which war?
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And it's like, well, what do you mean which war?
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To me, it's war like war killing people, unnecessarily innocent
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people, you know, it doesn't matter which one.
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But I was being baited to talk about one thing specific.
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And I also thought I felt I was being baited to say, to see
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whether I just said Gaza, for example, but didn't say Sudan.
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You know, like there's people that want to trip you up and
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back to that. Not feeling informed enough.
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It's not so much for me. It's not so much that I don't
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understand it because I feel like I do and I am quite
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informed, but and there's always someone trying to trip you up or
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but have you thought about that or you never mentioned that or
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did it, did it And you're like, yeah, that's the.
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Thing if you if you pick that one thing to talk about because
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it happens to be everywhere, somebody there will be like a
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another war going on somewhere that because I have had serious
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anxiety issues with reading the news in the past.
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So I actually avoid the news. I maybe scan, read the headlines
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occasionally, but I do not actively seek it out because I
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get deeply, deeply anxious even and you know about things that
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are going on thousands of miles away.
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And I've got plenty of stuff to be deeply, deeply anxious about.
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That's in the in like 10 foot of me.
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Two of them are sat behind me dogs.
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So I I don't seek it out. So it's not that I'm ill
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informed necessarily, but I haven't made it a big priority
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in my life to look for that information.
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And therefore I'm not necessarily going to comment on
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it for other people. I can give my opinions, yeah,
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but I'm not going to. I'm not going to teach anyone
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anything and I know what you mean.
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That kind of baiting people are kind of trying to trip you up.
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So one of my things was the one time I did kind of get slightly
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political on my on my stories was I went to park run and when
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I finished, somebody had put keep men out of women's sports
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Flyers and all of the windscreen wipers on the cars in the car
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park. And I went around and took them
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all off, threw them in the bin. And several reasons that I do
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that. I play roller Derby.
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I have skated with a lot of trans skaters and I played trans
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people belong in sport and also quite isn't a competition, it's
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a run. So I really, I really kind of
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felt like that was not right, not correct.
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And I felt very strongly about it.
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So that was like, that was like my little action.
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And I did put it on my stories and Oh, my God, odd.
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Like, I think, I mean, for my tiny little market, I did lose a
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few people, which was sad because some of them were people
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that I thought of as friends. But losing people like that
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doesn't necessarily bother me because I think, well, this
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isn't the right place. This isn't the right place for
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you. This is just my attitudes, not
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my, not my reason for being, if you see what I mean.
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Yeah, I think, I think it's important to remember that it's
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impossible for people to speak out on everything.
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But even if you think politics celebrities should get political
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and they should definitely use their platform to speak out, you
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have to remember that they can't speak out about every single
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awful thing that's happening in the world because they do have a
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job and a lot and their audience, you know, we don't.
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All exist in, I was going to say an echo chamber.
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That's even the right word. But you know, my audience, for
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example, are right wing and left wing and liberal in the middle
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and centrist. You know, like I have all
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different types of people from all over the world following me.
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So what I don't want to do is actively set a large popular
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part of my audience, my community.
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Now you could say, well, who cares if they're, you know, if
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they're racist, for example, they can go.
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And yeah, I absolutely, I get that and agree with that.
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But if I have, I mean, my objective is to talk about
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ageism and that affects everybody, no matter what your
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political beliefs are. So therefore it's, I don't want
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to just talk to 1 like group of people.
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And it's the same for a celebrity, you know, their
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films. Ultimately they've got to sell
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their films or their songs to as many people as possible.
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So, you know, I'm bet they've got people behind the scenes
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going. Just be careful.
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Yeah, talk about, you know, talk about stuff, but just don't, you
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can't talk about everything or, you know, it's a, it's a tricky
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one. I've had brands saying to me,
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you know, do you get political? Because if you do, we might not
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want to work with you. But then I've also, you know, I
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might promote a top that came from one shop on the High
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Street. And then people pile on me
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because apparently we've cancelled them now.
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And it's like, Oh my God. You know, it gets the point
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where it's like, I don't know what to do anymore.
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And then you have to go, actually, I do know what to do.
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I'm just going to carry on doing what I do and that's OK.
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Yeah, I think it's as things are, I think we can agree
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getting a bit worse. This is my My Edge language.
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I get everything's awful, but you, you, you do.
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I mean, I know that I have this. Feeling like in.
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In my soul, maybe that's a bit dramatic, but that if you have
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any platform at all that you would that you want to use it
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for good. But also it's just a really
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difficult thing to know how. I don't necessarily think making
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a real where you go. I think you're awful for
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thinking this just to prove that you think that is is a useful or
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productive way. I feel with people like Mark
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roughly when they say something like that in a situation where
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people aren't necessarily expecting it.
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I think in that sense, it's a really good way of bringing it
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up and making people aware and making people, I think, but just
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like kind of without having to go into things in like massive
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detail. It was a bit like when Guy,
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whose name I always forget from Downton Abbey, he did.
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He did an interview on the red carpet.
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Gray hair, Everyone knows. I'll find out later.
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He's in Paddington. Yeah, I think the Paddington guy
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as well. Yeah, it's from Dad's Hugh
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Bonneville. Oh.
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My God, I am so impressed. That was in my brain.
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But he did it on a red carpet, didn't he, where the the BBC
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were interviewing him and he was like, I can't even remember what
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controversial, hideous topic it was that are probably Gaza, but
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he was like and yes, Paddington is an excellent movie.
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Don't Bob Gaza and now we're back on talking about Paddington
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so that they'll they like couldn't cut it out.
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And that was just like it was a really good way for him of just
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kind of going, you know, things that aren't getting covered
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maybe and to be able to get that out there.
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So I thought, I feel like if you if you have a platform and you
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really think you can do something useful, I think by all
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means do it, get out there and do it.
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But if you don't think you can add anything useful to the
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conversation, I also don't think people should be attacking you
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about it and trying to force that kind of that kind of input.
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Agree, and I think ultimately both come from negative places
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of damning you for doing it and damning you if you don't do it.
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And neither equals free speech or, you know, being able to say
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what you want or productivity. Yeah.
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So you can't win. Like he's he's picking on people
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who aren't saying things you agree with actually being
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useful. Or would you be better off using
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your voice? Yeah.
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To go and speak to somebody else who could actually make a
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difference. Exactly, And I just love Mark
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Ruffalo. You got me too.
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I want to talk about my favorite topic, which is reality TV, the
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Traitors, which is actually my favorite program and obviously
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watched by millions, really successful.
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And one of the things that it's really well known for is Claudia
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Winkelman's fashion because she has literally brought back
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heritage chic and looks amazing and everything she wears.
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But what's been what's been out there this week is one of the
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contestants is fashion. So there's this, a contestant
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called Jade. She's a PhD student.
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I don't know her age. She's, she's young.
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Good bet to me. She's young, beautiful, stylish,
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you know, she's, I feel like she's thought about what she's
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wearing because she's really standing out because she's
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wearing really interesting, beautiful things.
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And she wore this cardigan last week and it's like rainbow
22:35
colored, like pastel rainbows, chunky, like amazing, this
22:40
cardigan. And it's basically went viral
22:43
and every magazine and all the press have been discussing it.
22:47
It's a hand knitted cardigan by a company called Hope McCauley,
22:52
who are based in Northern Ireland.
22:54
And they use local knitters to knit their products.
22:58
They're knitted to order. They have in the label the name
23:02
of the knitter. So really sustainable, slow
23:06
fashion. However, it costs 430 lbs, which
23:11
has divided the Internet because obviously the Internet has to
23:15
have an opinion on everything. Negative and positive.
23:19
The division has been how much 430 lbs of cardigan, even though
23:26
I love it, how much and real like outrage, but not first of
23:31
all, outrage that a cardigan cost 430 lbs, but also outrage
23:34
that this woman has gone on television wearing this
23:37
wonderful cardigan. We all want and it and it's out
23:39
of reach with so we can talk about that.
23:42
But then there's the other side. And actually I've seen a lot
23:46
more positives like responses, which is actually great of,
23:50
well, it's hand knitted. Thank goodness.
23:54
Some, you know, that she's promoting slow fashion,
23:57
sustainable fashion. But also creatives deserve to be
24:01
paid well for their work. And actually, this is reflective
24:06
of how much it costs to make things as well as it's a profit
24:12
because of course, they are a business.
24:14
So it's sort of divided the the, the Internet.
24:16
And, you know, you can't even wash it.
24:19
People are saying, you know, it's dry clean only.
24:21
You can't even wash it because we're so used to buying products
24:24
that are so cheap. You can bring them in the
24:26
washing machine or just, you know, give them away.
24:28
So I want to talk about this viral cardigan and really.
24:32
Have you seen it? First of all, obviously, I don't
24:34
think you watch the traitors. Do you watch the celebrity
24:37
traitors haven't managed to get into the normal human being
24:40
traitors. So but I I might, I might give
24:43
it a go. However, when you meant when you
24:45
mentioned the cardigan to me, I went and looked at the cardigan
24:47
and I went Oh, cardigan and she had her and see the laugh.
24:52
It's pure dopamine dressing, isn't it?
24:54
Like it's just gorgeous and chunky and it looks Oh, it's
24:57
amazing. So I did then also go and look
25:00
them up and I kind of so they sell patterns on their website
25:03
for like 15 lbs so you can buy a pattern as well for this place.
25:07
The. Wool is about 40 lbs for a skein
25:11
ball. I don't know thing of it.
25:14
And so I was kind of looking at it and I was thinking all right,
25:17
OK, so if we were going to really take that to its extreme,
25:19
you can get some of that wool cheaper, but I reckon it would
25:23
probably cost you like £130 in wool to make it plus £15 for the
25:28
pattern. So if you if you can knit fine,
25:31
you can go and make yourself one for £150, which I think people
25:34
would still think is expensive for cardigan.
25:36
But if you then bear in mind that this is a being hand
25:41
knitted by someone. I once knitted a small line of a
25:46
scarf before realizing I couldn't be bothered.
25:48
But so I have no idea how many hours it takes to knit a card
25:50
again. I'm going to say 10 because I
25:52
can do 10 times table. So you were paying someone £20
25:56
an hour to knit for 10 hours. That's another £200.
26:00
And if you then think so, then we're what, on like 350 now?
26:04
Just for materials, human beings, time and a pattern.
26:10
So if you then put in postage that they charge postage.
26:15
Do you think anyway, like other bits and bobs that would be
26:18
involved heating, lighting for a company, you know, the fact that
26:21
they are a company and they need to make profit. 430 lbs suddenly
26:24
starts to look like the price we should actually be paying for
26:27
these things. So I quite often think about
26:31
this is that so obviously issue 1 is that we will be completely
26:36
destroyed by fast fashion. That's it.
26:39
Well, fashion makes us think that carbons cost £3.50 and they
26:43
don't cost £3.50 or they think an expensive cardigan is £60.
26:48
And it's it's not because the materials cost a lot more.
26:52
And we all know that the prices of everything are going up and
26:54
the prices of things for creators are going up as well.
26:57
So that wall that they use is more expensive and the people
27:00
who are knitting it needs to pay more for their gas and
27:03
electricity and the food that they put on their table.
27:05
We've really lost touch with the idea that if we're paying
27:08
someone else to make something for us, but that person at the
27:11
other end also needs needs to live, needs money, and this is
27:16
their job. I think that that's dangerous
27:21
because we also need to be closed, obviously, but fast
27:25
fashion has given us the idea that we can be, oh, I completely
27:31
lost where I was trying to go. But we can be closed in a wide
27:36
range of things rather than picking and choosing those those
27:39
those special and expensive pieces.
27:43
Kind of makes sense. I knew where I was better and
27:46
then I and then I wandered off a side Rd. halfway down and like,
27:49
yeah, so, but you know what I mean?
27:51
Basically, I probably can't afford to buy a 430 LB cardigan.
27:57
But neither can I afford to put all those hours into learning to
28:01
knit. So if I want that cardigan, I'm
28:03
willing to expect that that's a reasonable price to pay for the
28:06
cardigan. Yeah, I mean, there's, there's
28:08
loads in this, isn't there? Obviously there's the debate
28:11
about fast fashion, which I'm sure we'll we'll chat about a
28:13
bit more. But I think also we are allowed
28:17
to have clothing at different price levels, just like there
28:23
always has been. If I say, see something, I
28:26
think, oh, that's nice and it's priced out of my personal price
28:31
range. I don't get really, really upset
28:34
because there will be something I can buy that may not be the
28:39
same. Same quality, same material,
28:41
same look, but I could get a chunky cardigan in pink, for
28:47
example. Or, you know, get multiple
28:48
colors from somewhere else and spend less.
28:51
Now, will it be as nice? Possibly not.
28:53
Will it be as, you know, individual?
28:55
Possibly not. Whatever park that the point is,
28:57
is is back to this Internet for raw and fury that we have when
29:04
something isn't right for us. Like we've all become slightly
29:08
narcissist in this way that it's like, it's all about me, but I
29:12
can't afford 430 lbs or I don't want to pay 430 lbs.
29:16
So therefore I'm outraged. And it's like, well, somebody is
29:20
buying it. She is, for example.
29:22
Yeah. And I'm sure she'll get some
29:24
work with them. All right.
29:27
I think it's like the acknowledgement of the fabrics
29:29
and stuff that go into it as well.
29:30
I mean, this is like, I should call it like collardale wool.
29:32
I can't remember now, but it's like a it's a very fancy wool.
29:35
But it's, yeah, it's it's a really nice wool.
29:37
All the people complain you can't Chuck it in the washing
29:39
machine. You shouldn't really be doing
29:41
that with wool ever, because it doesn't need it necessarily.
29:43
It's supposed to have like the natural oils in it and all the
29:45
stuff that does things. Yeah.
29:49
So you could get a version in full, yes.
29:50
So maybe if polyester is your thing or you could get a less
29:54
fancy wall version. There is, you know, there will
29:57
be a range of versions. You can get someone, you know,
29:59
who nips like your Nano probably net it for you if you're off.
30:03
I do have to admit, despite my lack of that kind of practical
30:08
create creativity when I did go to the website, I also sell kits
30:12
on there and I was a bit like I can learn to crochet right, So
30:20
stay clear for German her hands crocheted cardigan any year
30:26
soon. I.
30:27
Think that's a good point. So actually talking about that
30:30
designer, she's selling the patterns.
30:32
So that's the accessible 1, you know, if you want that exact
30:38
pattern. But I'm the kind of person where
30:40
I see something and I'm like, OK, so that's out of my price
30:43
range, but what is it about it? I liked it.
30:47
So it's chunky or it could be the color or the fact that it
30:49
was kind of slightly hanging off her shoulder.
30:52
So then when I go out, I mean, I buy most of my clothes second
30:55
hand. I might be looking for something
30:56
similar. Should go to vintage and write
30:58
in, you know, purple and lilac chunky cardigan.
31:01
And it yes, it won't be the same, but you can get a
31:03
different version. And I think for me it's the the
31:06
upset of people when you could actually just go, OK, I can't
31:11
afford it, So what can I do instead?
31:13
And that seems to kind of gone. It's back to we've talked often
31:16
about like lack of critical thinking.
31:18
It's a bit like that, you know, like, well, you don't have to
31:21
buy it. You're not being forced to buy
31:23
it. So just calm down everyone.
31:27
So do we think the issue here was specifically was because I
31:30
bet Claudia Winkelman's height items aren't all in like a bloom
31:34
in affordable price bracket either?
31:37
I wonder if it's because it was a contestant.
31:39
Like when you hear Snooden, you think, but yeah, I can, I bet I
31:43
can afford what they've got. So then when you kind of
31:45
discover you can't, maybe that's the bit that upset people
31:49
because I mean, I do it all the time.
31:51
I like, I do only Murders in the Building.
31:54
I'm forever like, like image searching her clothes and going
31:58
like, oh, that's a shame. No, it's out of stock and it
32:02
cost 1000 lbs. But it's definitely the out of
32:04
stock. But that's the problem.
32:06
And you know, she's supposed to be a not very well off women
32:10
living in a borrowed flat in that.
32:11
So. But you know, again, I do the
32:13
same thing. I go, what is it that I like
32:15
about that? And then I'll go and kind of try
32:17
and put something together similarly.
32:20
But people have kind of lost that as well.
32:23
I think they think of everything that they watch now is a
32:25
shopping experience. So maybe she would be a catalog
32:29
and then her being a normal human being, a normal human
32:34
being makes them think, Oh well, that should have been more.
32:36
Affordable and that's the disappointment, that's the
32:39
disconnect. But then you get that also with
32:41
influencer marketing. You know, if I share something
32:45
that's expensive, I get a backlash for it, but I am
32:51
allowed to wear. Or share.
32:54
You know, different things. So I think it's back to this
32:58
feels like a bit of AI said about critical thinking about a
33:00
little bit of entitlement as well.
33:01
It's like she's got it, I want it, why can't I have it?
33:05
Well, it's like, well, I think it's a bit of that.
33:07
And then of course, we are so used to buying things or having
33:11
the ability to buy things that are so cheap.
33:16
You know, you can get a jumper for, I know you go to Primark.
33:21
And to be fair, I think all that I have seen on the interweb that
33:25
all their prices are up have gone up.
33:26
And people are, there's a furor about that as well because
33:29
Primark could put their prices up.
33:30
So Primark jumper used to be say like £10.
33:34
It's now 20 lbs and everyone's like outraged.
33:37
But obviously everything has cost more.
33:39
But Even so, whatever the price is, we're so used to seeing
33:44
that, that the lines are so blurred that we can't cope with
33:48
seeing something that's not like that.
33:51
And it's, you know, is fast fashion not helping individual
33:57
designers? Well, obviously we know the
33:58
answer to that anyway. But obviously not, especially
34:00
when they start literally thieving off them.
34:02
I'm like all these people who want that jumper just like you.
34:05
Give it, give it a week, Team will have a version, they'll be
34:07
using the same pictures from this website and the jumping
34:10
will be completely different, but there we go.
34:12
I know. And we've, we've talked about
34:13
that before, haven't we, about how bad it is and copying.
34:18
But again, you know, it's slow, it's slow fashion and and then
34:23
you also get people complaining about fast fashion and and I
34:27
feel rightfully so, but then getting upset about the price of
34:31
slow fashion and it's kind of like you're going to have to go
34:33
pre love then because you know, slow fashion cannot be fast
34:37
fashion prices. It's impossible.
34:40
I think fast fashion is kind of people have lost that little bit
34:44
of creativity with what they already have.
34:45
I think. So I think that's probably part
34:47
of it as well. When you're saying she's got
34:48
this thing and I want it again, people have have started to look
34:51
at things more as that specific item rather than that that kind
34:55
of vibe that you think that you're thinking about.
34:58
What is it about that that really grabs me?
35:01
And yeah, that's that's a shame. Along with along with everything
35:04
else. I mean, like this is what
35:05
there's why'd you pick the ones that have got so much?
35:08
We could talk about. We used to talk about people
35:09
having skills for sewing. We need to talk about people
35:12
thinking that they can have everything now, right this very
35:14
2nd And we need we need to talk about like a lot of creativity.
35:19
Should people be paid fairly fairly for their work?
35:22
Again, that's creatives get that a lot.
35:25
Nobody goes to an accountant and goes how much And like, you
35:29
know, or even, I mean, I know people talk about lawyers fees a
35:32
lot, but they wouldn't go to them and go you charge how much
35:34
an hour because. And I mean, when you're a
35:37
lawyer, you're not even using any materials.
35:39
Like it's literally your brain. But you know, if you've made
35:43
something for someone, like people somehow think that
35:47
they're like, did that take you an hour to make?
35:49
And you go maybe. But I also had all these things
35:52
and the 50 years of experience or whatever it is.
35:56
So. Yeah.
35:57
So people, people when it comes to making something, I mean,
36:00
I've been at craft fairs where people will literally walk
36:02
around the tables and go, oh, I could bake that and you go, why
36:05
don't you then? I know.
36:07
But I think we've also, and this is linked to fast fashion, lost
36:11
the ability to re wear our wardrobe.
36:14
So if you buy an expensive item or if I ever buy an expensive
36:18
item, I keep it for decades literally.
36:23
And I wear it and wear it. And when you start thinking like
36:25
cost per use, the people are so used to wearing things once or
36:29
twice and then giving it away. But of course 430 lbs is a lot.
36:34
But if you wore that a lot, potentially for years and years
36:39
and years and years and years, then actually the cost per wear
36:42
is fine. I know I do have some expensive
36:45
things in my in my wardrobe and I have went worn them.
36:48
I've got this purple coat. Actually I'm going to make a
36:50
post about it soon because I found a photograph of me wearing
36:52
it in 2000. I bought it in 1999 and it was
36:55
from Whistles and at the time it was expensive and you know, I
36:59
can't remember, it was a few 100 lbs and obviously then it would
37:04
have been worse that, that couple of £100 is more than it
37:07
is now. But I'm still wearing it and it
37:11
hasn't fallen apart because it was really well made and it's
37:15
kind of timeless, even though it's lilac and fluffy and it
37:18
still fits because it's, it's baggy.
37:20
And I love it. Like I love, love, love it and
37:23
that's why I continue to wear it.
37:25
So then cost per use, it's OK, you know, whereas I could have
37:28
just bought a coat from wherever, H&M or whoever.
37:33
And it could have lasted me a season and only wear it a couple
37:36
of times or something. To be fair, I also have an awful
37:41
lot of cheap clothes that I've been wearing for actual donkey's
37:45
years. I definitely, I know I
37:46
definitely have at least two Primark jumpers that are 20
37:49
years old. And I've, you know, I'm keeping
37:51
your own clothes in good condition as possible, whether
37:53
they're cheap or or or expensive.
37:57
But in conclusion, I also want that cardigan now, so thank you
38:02
very much. And not having 430 lbs, I might
38:05
Start learning to crochet well. We could knit an arm each or
38:08
something Friday. I mean this.
38:13
Cardigan, it is really nice and I do hope, I really hope that
38:19
the designer has I mean, obviously she's had a lot of
38:24
publicity from Jade wearing it and I and I hope she goes from
38:27
strength to strength because actually that's done.
38:30
You know, it's been great for her.
38:31
So I think that's great that Jade, a person on a television
38:34
show, has worn something made in the UK and has promoted it and
38:38
you know, hopefully got lots of sales for her and hopefully they
38:42
might work collaboratively. I feel like there needs to be a
38:44
collaboration between them, definitely.
38:48
Yeah, the Traitors cardigan. I'm in.
38:59
So we're going to talk about Kate Winslet, or more
39:01
specifically, we're going to talk about Photoshop because you
39:04
know, we never end up talking about the people that we're
39:06
actually supposed to be talking about.
39:07
But this week was I actually the first I saw of this was actually
39:11
in an Instagram post. But there's there has been a lot
39:13
of other kind of chat around it. Kate Winslet was on the cover of
39:18
Grazia and Kate Winslet is 50 and she on the cover of the
39:25
magazine. I'm just going to say she does
39:27
not look 50. She's had a lot of, there's been
39:29
a lot of photoshopping on the pictures on the front.
39:31
I imagine there was also excellent lighting by the
39:33
photographer because we all know that we look different in
39:36
different lights. But her skin is very smooth.
39:38
There's some very light lines around her eyes.
39:41
You know, the way we wish we were all aging where it was just
39:43
like, oh, I, I look experienced, but she looks, she looks
39:48
amazing. Kate Winslet always looks
39:50
amazing. But it was very obvious that
39:52
there'd been a lot of Photoshop done on this.
39:54
I think one of these reasons it's been quite a big thing with
39:56
being Kate Winslet is because she has historically been very
39:59
anti being photoshopped. She was photoshopped on the
40:02
cover of I think it was FHM, like very early in her career
40:07
when she was when all of a sudden her legs were like 12
40:09
foot long and she was like, I don't know who that is, but it's
40:12
definitely not me. And so she's actually had
40:15
clauses written into some of her contracts since saying that
40:18
she's not allowed to be photoshopped.
40:21
So seeing her so heavily photoshopped on the cover of the
40:25
magazine was a bit of a shock to people.
40:28
The Instagram post that I saw was quite interesting as well,
40:31
because they contrasted their pictures from the cover of the
40:33
magazine and from the photo shoot inside with pictures of
40:36
her at events and stuff and pictures of her just kind of
40:39
caught unawares. And we all also know that
40:41
pictures of us caught unawares are going to look very different
40:44
to a professionally lit photo shoot.
40:46
So they do chosen some photos, which I'm going to use the word
40:49
unflattering. I hate the word unflattering,
40:51
but I'm going to use it here because obviously that's what
40:53
they were going for where you can literally see every lion on
40:57
her face and probably some that aren't even there because the
41:00
lights just decided to make them up.
41:02
So they don't chosen very unflattering photos to contrast
41:05
with the Photoshop and say like how awful it was that we were
41:08
photoshopping and that we don't see the real faces of a 50 year
41:11
old woman in a magazine. And that gives us all that a
41:15
false image of what women look like as they age, because we all
41:18
know women aren't allowed to age.
41:21
The other reason I thought it was interesting is that when we
41:24
got into the comments, never read the comments, when we got
41:27
into the comments, there was one person in there going 50 small
41:31
like 100 with loads of sun damage.
41:33
And people were like, if you think that's what 100 looks
41:36
like, then you know you are definitely part of the problem
41:40
here. You've been very much
41:41
brainwashed by Photoshop. And also it was something that I
41:45
recently had on. I think I might have spoken
41:48
about this before on a completely innocent post of mine
41:51
that then got hundreds of thousands of views where I'd put
41:55
a picture up saying like I'm 46 and then talked about all the
41:58
stupid stuff I do as a 46 year old that probably I should have
42:01
grown out of at like 20. But people in the comments
42:05
decided I needed to be told how old I looked and that I didn't
42:08
even look 46, I looked 65. It got older.
42:11
It started off at like 50 and then it got older elder and
42:13
older and elder. And it was 65 by the time we got
42:17
to the end of it. And yeah, that made me start
42:22
thinking about it as well because I'd honestly not, given
42:25
how old I looked, a lot of thought, have noticed more lines
42:30
popping up maybe. But normally people tell me I
42:32
look younger than I am. Not that, not that I care, but
42:36
you do a little bit, right? So I was intrigued to then see
42:41
people talking about Kate wins it that way as well, because
42:43
once again, you're damned if you do and you are damned if you
42:45
don't. So and it will stick with
42:49
Photoshop to start with rather than moving on to immediately
42:52
how women are allowed to age or how old I look.
42:54
So as somebody that has been photoshopped before it must be
43:00
like infuriating for her if like if she has said no photoshopping
43:06
and then she has been photoshopped.
43:07
Like so I had some photos taken of me when I just had my son.
43:15
So he was literally a day old and I had really bad spots all
43:20
over my face and a friend of my husband's came around to take
43:23
photos of her. Well we didn't ask him to, he
43:26
just turned up with a camera literally just giving birth.
43:28
I mean like honestly. And I'm in the worst dressing
43:31
gown looking absolutely horrific.
43:33
And he took pictures of us. And then he photoshopped my face
43:38
and took all my spots out and blurred my entire face on my
43:42
photos of me and my baby and then presented them back in a
43:46
frame. And I remember, like, am I
43:50
supposed to be, am I supposed to be flattered with this?
43:55
You know, obviously I'm not a celebrity, but it was like
43:58
somebody has made the decision that I look shit.
44:02
I mean, I did. I looked awful.
44:04
I had just given birth and I was in pain and I had really bad
44:07
skin and no makeup and my hair, like, it was just a really bad
44:11
picture. Didn't want to be photographed
44:12
at all, but I remember feeling like, oh, right.
44:16
So I was paranoid about my skin before.
44:18
Now I'm really paranoid about my skin.
44:21
So now imagine being like a celebrity and having your photo
44:25
taken and literally somebody has decided that you don't look good
44:31
enough. Yeah, you.
44:33
That's like. The that's the immediate, like
44:36
personal impact of it, isn't it? So I get that.
44:39
So yeah, like on you where you're going, right.
44:41
Well, someone feels like I need to be Photoshopped because I
44:43
don't match the ideal. But then we are every time they
44:50
Photoshop, they are then like recreating that ideal.
44:52
So the reason that the guy that came around your house with the
44:55
camera Photoshopped you is because that's not what women
44:59
who've just had babies look like.
45:00
I've seen photo shoots of women who've just had babies, right?
45:03
They're glowing. She'll really be happy.
45:06
She'll be really pleased that I've taken every single spot off
45:08
her face. Yeah.
45:09
Full face of makeup and we're not seeing the kind of reality
45:13
of that moment. And I, I quite often think of
45:15
that when people like the technology at the moment where
45:18
people can take people out of pictures, put people back into
45:20
pictures. Sometimes it really bothers me
45:22
because I'm like, well, we're misremembering.
45:24
It feels a bit 1984 like we're misremembering this moment.
45:27
This isn't what this moment look like.
45:30
This isn't what these people look like.
45:32
So it's it's not a true representation.
45:36
It's almost like again, when people kind of AI edit these
45:39
like pictures from the 1940s and 50s of celebrities and like
45:43
Photoshop that it's it's not an accurate remembering of things
45:47
and we're creating a world that doesn't exist.
45:49
So yeah, the 5050 year old women see Kate Winslet in that and go,
45:54
well, that's what Kate Winslet looks like.
45:55
And it absolutely is not. That is not what Caitlin's and
45:58
it's not what 50 year old women look like.
46:01
Have you ever? Photoshopped yourself.
46:04
Well, before I talk about myself, my job used to be to
46:09
Photoshop images of women, so I know.
46:17
So in the naughties I was head of visual merchandising and
46:21
signage for Tesco's clothing. And, you know, I was responsible
46:27
for the signage. I didn't do the shoot.
46:29
I didn't select the models that all then came to me.
46:32
And I had to choose the images and decide which ones we were
46:36
using in the press and all things like that.
46:38
And I was trained that I had to analyze these images and make
46:45
them look perfect. And I remember taking everything
46:51
else and I was more critical, I think of the women, although to
46:54
be fair, there was most of the images were women and, and like
46:58
literally I was told that's what I had to do.
47:00
And I remember once there was a model that was chosen not by me
47:05
and she had a gap in her tooth. And we were so used to seeing
47:10
perfection, if you think about magazines and, and what was
47:13
happening there. And I instructed the art team,
47:17
the art working team to fill in the gap in her teeth.
47:20
And the woman that chose the model had a fit and was like,
47:25
that's her thing. And I was like, no, is it like,
47:29
I don't know who she is? And she was, I remember her
47:31
saying, but it's like, you wouldn't take out Cindy
47:33
Crawford's mole, would you? And I was like, well, no.
47:37
And, and now Fast forward, I'm like, Oh my God, that was my
47:42
job. But that's because in the
47:44
noughties, that was absolutely the thing.
47:47
Every single person on a, on a, in a magazine, on a Mac, on an
47:51
advert, like a print advert on signage had to be flawless.
47:58
So one would like to think that we aren't like that anymore, but
48:04
it feels like we are. But then, as you just said,
48:07
Kate, have you ever airbrushed yourself?
48:09
We all have apps where we can do that.
48:13
So I used to, yes. I did a post actually this week
48:19
around what I look like in 2016. It's a bit of a trend going
48:23
around sharing. So many of these game around.
48:25
I've got 1 coming out in the next couple of days.
48:26
Don't worry. That's one of the things that
48:27
made me think of this question. Yeah.
48:29
And. I've written in the in the
48:33
captions that I was editing my face then because partly because
48:37
I felt like shit, I was perimenopausal.
48:40
And actually I include one picture where I think is edited,
48:42
but you can't even edit the black, you know, the black
48:44
circles under my eyes out because like it's impossible.
48:48
You have to like remove half my face.
48:50
So I kept that in. But the point was I definitely
48:53
was then and but I don't now and I purposely don't now because AI
49:02
understand good lighting. As you said at the beginning,
49:04
you know, if you actually photograph yourself in front of
49:06
a, you know, a lit window, you are, you're going to look better
49:09
a lit window. Like keep it that side, right?
49:11
Like, yeah. And to be fair, if I take a
49:14
picture of myself now and I look shocking, I don't post it.
49:17
But what I don't do is airbrush my face in any way.
49:22
But it's taken time to get to that because we are so used to a
49:27
historically seeing flawless women, women in particular.
49:31
And then we've been given the tools to be able to do it
49:33
ourselves. And we did.
49:36
And obviously, you know, 10 years ago, it was I saw when I
49:39
was going through my camera roll, you know, Snapchat filters
49:42
were all the thing, you know, it was the really the start of
49:44
filtering our faces. It became a.
49:47
Tune was the big one I remember back then.
49:49
Do you do you have used? Faces I still use both tune so,
49:53
but I don't do it. Yes, I do.
49:54
I came on your face. So for example, if there's A to
49:57
edit, like basically to be a Photoshop, not to take out my
50:00
wrinkles, but if I if there's a stain on my top or something you
50:05
can just like take out like you can kind of I don't I can't use
50:09
Photoshop, but you know, so I've still got it on my phone.
50:12
I'll use it to kind of correct an image so that it looks like
50:15
there wasn't a big stain on my top.
50:17
That's the last time I used it, but not to edit my face.
50:20
No, but I did 10 years ago, without a doubt.
50:24
See, I did too. That's what I when I was looking
50:26
through some pictures from because that was the blogging
50:29
era as well. So when I was looking through
50:31
pictures from then, yeah, I used face tune on my face a lot.
50:36
Like I would snooze, brighten up and that kind of thing just
50:40
because I wanted the pictures to look editorial.
50:43
And that's kind of what we think of editorial.
50:44
This was the time when we were like the blog, the bloggers were
50:48
doing like full on photo shoots. Yeah, I mean, I had my fancy
50:52
camera. I did the full on photo shoots.
50:54
And then, yeah, I would, I would use Photoshop and I would even,
50:57
you know, I would take out background stuff as well.
50:58
There was a bin that didn't look editorial and stuff like that.
51:02
So I did, I did do a lot of that because I thought that that was
51:06
what I should be doing as a professional.
51:08
And it's since then I don't I use Lightroom.
51:14
I have a Lightroom filter that important things to give things
51:16
a consistent visual look. So maybe the colours are
51:19
sometimes not exactly the same as they came out of camera, but
51:23
I think sometimes you're you're going with a mood with a picture
51:26
rather than other than an accurate representation of
51:28
exactly what your old camera picked up at that time.
51:31
The idea of it on faces makes me immensely uncomfortable now.
51:35
And very specifically when you start talking about using it on
51:38
bodies and actually like changing people's physical
51:40
proportions. Legs longer, bums smaller, all
51:43
that kind of stuff. I find it really disturbing now.
51:46
And I find it disturbing to look back at the way that we used to
51:48
do that like 10 years ago as well.
51:50
Because it is that thing where you're literally not seeing what
51:53
other human beings look like. And we all spend a lot of time
51:55
behind a screen now and we're getting to the, there is no
51:59
comparison about what does a normal person of my age look
52:02
like because you see yourself in the mirror, but you, the faces
52:06
you see online, none of them are real.
52:10
They're all filtered through. Through something I mean it's
52:14
wasn't anything about the iPhone camera actually having like a
52:16
built in filter like you would take the picture and it would
52:18
smooth your skin without you even asking it to.
52:20
I don't know about that but I know on stories, if you take
52:23
your photograph on Instagram stories directly and you don't
52:26
upload it, your skin does look better.
52:28
I think I mean we've talked about body dysmorphia before,
52:31
haven't we when we were I can't remember what topic we were
52:33
talking about, but we you know, we have talked about an AI or I
52:36
can't even Oh yeah social media should it be banned for under
52:38
16? So we have touched on this, but
52:41
I think, you know, we are so, well, many people, women
52:47
particular, are so used to seeing their face filtered.
52:49
I know a makeup artist, for example, who like a bride went
52:53
for a makeup trial and looked in the mirror and was like, oh, I
52:59
don't, I don't, I don't like it. And opened a phone and said,
53:03
well, I like, I like how I looked here.
53:05
And the makeup artist had to say that that's been edited.
53:09
And she was like, no, no, it hasn't.
53:10
And she was like, you're in front of me.
53:13
Like that's been edited. I, I might not know exactly how
53:17
you've edited, but I am looking at your face like it is
53:21
different. So you, it's a tricky place, But
53:24
then I think there's also, I think I feel like there is a
53:27
move away from it. I think a little bit I feel like
53:30
looking back at the 2016 pictures, I feel like there is a
53:33
move away from it. But I still see people.
53:35
I got Facebook people like my Facebook friends.
53:38
You're not, not my, you know what I mean?
53:40
You know, the people that your friends, you're not, I don't
53:44
even know how you're friends with.
53:46
Yeah. And they'll post a picture which
53:48
has been edited to the point where they don't have forget a
53:51
lot a wrinkle. They don't have anything on
53:53
their face. It's just like a white circle or
53:56
a pink circle or whatever with eyes, you know, like.
54:00
And everyone's like, oh, you look beautiful, Hun.
54:02
And you're like, is it just me? Am I the only one that can see
54:06
that you've edited to this to the point where your face looks
54:09
like a cartoon? You know, I think maybe this is
54:12
one of the things about the Gracia cover though as well is
54:15
that there has been a bit of a move away from that kind of
54:17
extreme perfection in previous years.
54:20
And like showing that we actually have a skin texture and
54:24
that like, you know, sometimes when you do makeup, you can see
54:28
it's makeup like that kind of thing.
54:32
But then recently, obviously we there's been, we've talked about
54:36
Manjaro and stuff and like GOP ones and Return of Skinny and
54:42
like we're seeing a lot of this stuff come back.
54:45
So I think maybe they're seeing this kind of cover image that's
54:48
been so edited, especially on someone who's been so vocal
54:51
about being anti Photoshop is maybe a bit of a sign of a move
54:55
back towards that kind of thing, which is sad as someone who'd
54:59
lived through it at least once, very sad.
55:02
I kind of, I like seeing what people actually look like.
55:05
I love seeing that authenticity. But there's also a bit of a move
55:09
on social media specifically towards that kind of level of
55:13
authenticity and pictures that look like they've just been
55:15
editing an app and actually flash photography, which we
55:18
didn't, we didn't want to look like we'd use the flash for
55:21
years, did we? And I'm seeing a lot of that
55:23
come back, and I'm wondering if we're going to see that little
55:24
bit of a return to social media being where you get your
55:28
reality. I think that's definitely,
55:32
that's definitely happening. I think it's disappointing
55:35
though that it's a fashion magazine because it's, I suppose
55:40
it's we'd like to think we were moving forward and if it's a
55:44
fashion magazine, doing it is basically reinforcing.
55:48
What I mean is if it was a tabloid press or.
55:51
A lads mag, I don't think they exist anymore.
55:53
But, you know, you know, maybe, yeah, I can expect it, but it's
55:57
just like, I think it's just really disappointing.
55:59
And then because if she has a clause in her contract that she
56:03
hardly Photoshopped and we know whether it's still in there as a
56:06
clause, everybody knows that she's very vocal about this.
56:10
Somebody has decided to do it. And that person is likely to be
56:16
the editor or the editor of that piece or somebody within that,
56:21
you know, that said, actually we need to make it look different.
56:25
And, and those people are creating a magazine for women.
56:29
And it's so disappointing if we are going back there.
56:34
Yeah, I, I again, maybe we will see that kind of because there
56:38
there was a long drive that 2016 when social media and blogs and
56:42
stuff wanted to look like they were fashion magazines.
56:45
So will we see that again or will we get a split where
56:50
actually people want their social media to look real?
56:53
And that's where they will. That's where we will see the
56:55
reality even as fashion tries to push us back towards airbrush
57:01
twigs. Or do I need to download Face
57:03
Tune again? No, not happening.
57:05
Not happening. Good for stains I would hope.
57:12
That maybe we do want to hang on to that little bit of reality.
57:16
It does make me sad to think that another generation are
57:18
going to be growing up in a world where the editors of
57:22
fashion magazines are telling them that they need to be smooth
57:26
and poor less. Hope that if this is actually a
57:31
thing that we are moving towards this, that people do start
57:35
talking about it because people are talking about the effects of
57:39
filters and social media, particularly Instagram on young
57:43
girls in particular. But I hope that if that does
57:46
start to happen in the media, so print magazines, for example,
57:50
that it's, you know, other people do start shouting about
57:54
it because otherwise they'll be. Let off the hook and nobody.
57:58
You know all the blame we put on social media and it will just be
58:01
us here with our wrinkles and our ring lights.
58:08
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