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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 4-20-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He's the Sean O'Connell Show, brought to you by Big
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  Speaker 1: Willies on Utah's number one sports talk and home of
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  Speaker 1: the ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one a half am,
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  Speaker 1: a proud part of Utah's ESPN Radio Network.
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  Speaker 2: Happy Monday, everybody, Welcome to the Shan O'Connell Show on
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  Speaker 2: ESPN seven hundred to ninety two ONEFM. Very happy to
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  Speaker 2: be back in the airchair, Happy to be with you
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  Speaker 2: here at our Broadway studios, Gonna hang out, have a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of fun, talk about the world of sports,
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  Speaker 2: as we are prone to do. The show is brought
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  Speaker 2: to you today and every day by our friends down
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  Speaker 2: at Big Willies seventeen seventeen, South Maine. If you are
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  Speaker 2: not going to Vegas on Tuesday night for the next
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  Speaker 2: Mammoth Versus Golden Knights game, get down to Big Willie's
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  Speaker 2: seventeen seventeen, South Maine and join the watch party down there.
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  Speaker 2: Have a little bit of fun with some like minded
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  Speaker 2: Mammoth fans. And if you see somebody in the Golden
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  Speaker 2: Knight sweater, challenge him to a game of pool or
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  Speaker 2: whatever at the Number one Pool. Maybe Betta beverage or
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  Speaker 2: something on the result of the game. We're gonna talk
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  Speaker 2: a lot of Mammoth today. Nicole Chick is going to
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  Speaker 2: swing by at noon. We'll have a little draft preview
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  Speaker 2: again with Devin Jackson. Looking forward to that conversation. It
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  Speaker 2: is NFL Draft week. If you are Caleb blomu Lander Barton,
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  Speaker 2: Spencer Fano, Dallan Bentley, Logan Fano, I cannot even imagine
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  Speaker 2: how nerve racking this week is. We're gonna do our
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  Speaker 2: best to try and grab a couple of those guys
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  Speaker 2: and have them on. But man, it is a jam
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  Speaker 2: packed week for the draft hopefuls.
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  Speaker 3: If you were listening to the Rich.
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  Speaker 2: Eisen Show leading into this, you heard Fernanda Mendoza on
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  Speaker 2: those airwaves talking about you know, his status is that
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  Speaker 2: projected number one. He's seventy eight hours according to the
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  Speaker 2: Pat McAfee show countdown on my television screen right now,
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  Speaker 2: seventy just under seventy nine hours away from having your
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  Speaker 2: name called. If you're a first round guy, that is
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  Speaker 2: what an occasion. So we'll do our best to do
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  Speaker 2: it justice. Dan Sorenson, the founder of Ute Zone, is
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  Speaker 2: he's going to join us at one o'clock. We'll talk
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of Utah spring football recap. I have
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  Speaker 2: a poll question up right now at realoc Sports. You
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  Speaker 2: can always text us at eight seven seven three five
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  Speaker 2: to three zero seven hundred if you went to the
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  Speaker 2: fan fest, the Utah Football twenty two Forever fan event
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  Speaker 2: that happened up at the Indoor field House. I'm told
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  Speaker 2: breaking did he in my ear that they estimated three
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  Speaker 2: to four thousand Utah fans showed up to this thing.
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  Speaker 3: And look, I was there with the kids. We had
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  Speaker 3: a blast.
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  Speaker 2: The drills that they had set up in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of the field where the position coaches were running the
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  Speaker 2: kids the kid Zone I think they called it. Were
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  Speaker 2: running the kids through the stuff that you would do,
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  Speaker 2: you know, as a player, and my kids loved it.
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  Speaker 2: My two oldest were dressed as Utah cheerleaders. My oldest
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  Speaker 2: now thinks that she is going to be a defensive
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  Speaker 2: end after running the hoop drill and tackling those dummies.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it was awesome. It was. It was a
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  Speaker 3: really cool event.
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  Speaker 2: I did not stand in line for the autographs, and
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  Speaker 2: I know that a lot of you out there did.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't feel it was necessary.
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  Speaker 2: I had a two year old with me, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: gonna make her stand in line for forty five minutes
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  Speaker 2: or an hour, however long it was. But the pole
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  Speaker 2: question I have up is a simple one, and you
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  Speaker 2: could text me as well. Eight seven to seven three
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  Speaker 2: five three zero seven hundred? Was that equal to the
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  Speaker 2: spring game? Was that better than the spring game? Was
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  Speaker 2: that worse than the spring game? It's a new thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's a different approach to capping off spring football. And again,
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  Speaker 2: the coaching staff, Morgan Scally specifically and his assistant coaches
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  Speaker 2: all agreed that, you know what, our time and effort
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  Speaker 2: is better spent on running another real practice, getting a
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  Speaker 2: sixteenth practice out of spring football, instead of doing a
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  Speaker 2: spring scrimmage where, let's be honest, you put the Governor
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  Speaker 2: chip on all your best players. You don't even dress them.
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  Speaker 2: In a lot of cases, you give them a pitch count.
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  Speaker 2: And I loved it. I've always enjoyed a spring game
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  Speaker 2: because you get to see a bunch of guys that
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  Speaker 2: are like special teamers actually playing and maybe project out
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  Speaker 2: all right, hey what's that kid? What's number thirty seven
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  Speaker 2: gonna be? You know, two years down the road. But
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  Speaker 2: that's not everyone's cup of tea. That's not everyone's bag,
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  Speaker 2: and that's fine if your whole thing is you want
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  Speaker 2: to watch the best players, or more importantly, more pointedly,
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  Speaker 2: for what we saw this past weekend, you want to
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  Speaker 2: go out there and you want to get to have
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  Speaker 2: a little conversation, get an autograph, maybe get a picture
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  Speaker 2: with the best players on the team, get a little
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  Speaker 2: point of contact for you and your superfan kids. This
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  Speaker 2: was probably a better event than sitting at the stadium.
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  Speaker 2: But you tell me eight seven seven three five three
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  Speaker 2: zero seven hundred. At realo C Sports, you can you
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  Speaker 2: can vote on the Twitter poll, and it's simple. Was
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  Speaker 2: it better than the spring game, worse than the spring game?
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  Speaker 3: Or equal to the Spring game?
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  Speaker 2: We just put this thing up so so far, only
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  Speaker 2: a few votes, only a handful of votes. At REALO
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  Speaker 2: C Sports, get out there and tell me what you
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  Speaker 2: think of it. More pointedly, this weekend, more interestingly, you
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  Speaker 2: have playoff hockey for your home team happening right now.
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  Speaker 2: The series began last night in Vegas, and the Utah
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  Speaker 2: Mammoth through periods one and two looked like they were
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  Speaker 2: going to win the first ever playoff game that this franchise,
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  Speaker 2: this version of the franchise, the Utah Hockey Club slash
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  Speaker 2: Mammoth franchise, looked like through forty minutes plus they were
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  Speaker 2: going to win their first ever playoff game. And then
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  Speaker 2: Vegas decided that they were going to take advantage of
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  Speaker 2: their advantages. They were going to be the bullies, and
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  Speaker 2: they were out physically, they were out hitting, they were
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  Speaker 2: out smashing Utah for the entire game. In the third period,
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  Speaker 2: it became a massive problem for this Mammoth team that
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  Speaker 2: of course is one of the top goal scoring teams
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  Speaker 2: in the NHL, has a ton of snipers, has some
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  Speaker 2: really excellent speed, as I think in the best version
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  Speaker 2: of itself, has an excellent puck movement in the offensive zone.
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  Speaker 2: And Vegas turned it up and took all that away,
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  Speaker 2: just said no, we're not allowing this anymore, and the
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  Speaker 2: Mammoth they're gonna have to figure out a way to respond.
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  Speaker 2: It got worse when they decided they needed to go
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  Speaker 2: They're down three to two. They decided they needed to
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  Speaker 2: go empty net with about two minutes left, and there
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  Speaker 2: was some miscommunication between Veggie and coach Bear or the
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  Speaker 2: bench and Veggie or Veggie he wasn't even looking at
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  Speaker 2: the bench when everyone started to call him over and
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  Speaker 2: that might have been problematic. So you go, you get
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  Speaker 2: a scenario, a nightmare scenario where you're going empty net,
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  Speaker 2: which we know is kind of a desperation situation anyway, right,
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  Speaker 2: And it's only worked one time so far for the
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  Speaker 2: Utah Mammoth this year. And he vacates the net just
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  Speaker 2: as Vegas is taking possession of the puck way down
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  Speaker 2: the ice. But these are professional hockey players. When they
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  Speaker 2: see an empty net, they're going to pitch it down
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  Speaker 2: there and see what happens. And so you go down
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  Speaker 2: four to two, and that was That was the nail
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  Speaker 2: in the coffin. That was it, and it it drove
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  Speaker 2: home a point that the Mammoths just got discombobulated and
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  Speaker 2: confused in the third period of that game. And I
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  Speaker 2: think it was the physicality of the Knights that caused
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  Speaker 2: that to happen.
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  Speaker 3: But you gotta find a way to respond.
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  Speaker 2: You got to try to win a game, and you
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  Speaker 2: show that you're capable of scoring against this Vegas team.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not overly worried that you're going to have
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  Speaker 2: some like disastrous second outing on Tuesday night. But that
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  Speaker 2: one was an opportunity that slipped through your fingers that one,
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  Speaker 2: if you just played the same type of game in
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  Speaker 2: the third period that you did in one and two,
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  Speaker 2: you could have won your first ever playoff game. And
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  Speaker 2: credit to the Knights. Credit to them for leaning on
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  Speaker 2: what they've got. Credit to them for realizing, like, you
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  Speaker 2: know what we are. We're the team with a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of experience, We're the team with more st our power.
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  Speaker 2: We're the team that should be dictating the way that
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  Speaker 2: this game is played. And they started to dictate, dictate
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  Speaker 2: the way that it's played, and Heart in goal just
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  Speaker 2: stood on his head in the third. It's not that
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  Speaker 2: the Mammoth didn't get shots and didn't get chances. They
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  Speaker 2: still found ways. But Heart looked really, really good in
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  Speaker 2: the third period. And that's just the way things are
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  Speaker 2: going to go sometimes. I will say this Friday night,
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  Speaker 2: when the Mammoth come back home, I cannot wait for that.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, O see, it's gonna be insane. So
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna be I imagine, just like the first ever
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  Speaker 2: franchise game at the Delta Center was a singular excellent
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  Speaker 2: atmosphere in Utah sporting history, I imagine that this Friday night,
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  Speaker 2: the same thing will happen. I don't want to get
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  Speaker 2: too far ahead of myself, but it's a necessity as well.
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  Speaker 3: Vegas.
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  Speaker 2: You could say a lot of things about that city.
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  Speaker 2: You can say a lot of things about the sports
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  Speaker 2: fans and that city. The Golden Knights, they do it
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  Speaker 2: right in their arena, the fans, support the production, the
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  Speaker 2: dang Heela monster mascot.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, all of it is really good.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, that part of the game production is that fortress
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  Speaker 4: that looks kind of would look very strange and out
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  Speaker 4: of place anywhere else, but they pull it off because
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  Speaker 4: they're Vegas and they know how to put on a show.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's incredible.
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  Speaker 2: They just they just turn it all up to eleven
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  Speaker 2: and they do a great job. Right, you have to
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  Speaker 2: match that energy, especially because of the hostilities. I think
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  Speaker 2: that this is a time where, look, the NHL has
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  Speaker 2: embraced Utah and that's a good thing. Other players other
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  Speaker 2: franchises have been like, hey, wow, these like the fans
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  Speaker 2: show up. It's pretty loud in there. Things are you know,
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  Speaker 2: for not being a hockey town. They've really they really don't.
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  Speaker 2: But it's a little bit patronizing. The way in which
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  Speaker 2: they're just like, hey, you guys, not bad, not bad
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  Speaker 2: for newbies.
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  Speaker 3: This little thing you got going on there.
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  Speaker 2: Cool what you guys have going on? Right, playoff hockey.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to take it up a notch over what
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  Speaker 2: the Delta Center usually is because and especially because the
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  Speaker 2: hostilities on the ice are only going to perpetuate themselves
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  Speaker 2: through the course of this series. Nick Dowd was telling
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  Speaker 2: Logan Cooley, I'm going to kill you with blood on
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  Speaker 2: the front of a sweater. You know what, Nick Doubd,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna kill you. You don't say that to our guy.
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  Speaker 2: You're a grown adult. That's a young kids. Cooley can
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  Speaker 2: barely buy a drink. He can't even grow a playoff beer.
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  Speaker 2: Doubt is thirty five years old. Don't talk to our
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  Speaker 2: boy like that. Somebody's gotta smash that guy. When the
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  Speaker 2: game went final, Sergachev was like looking for somebody to fight.
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  Speaker 2: That is the energy I want all series long against
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  Speaker 2: this Vegas Knights team, because if you let them dictate
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  Speaker 2: things the way they did in that third period, if
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  Speaker 2: you let them out physical you for sixty minutes a night,
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  Speaker 2: it could it's gonna get really, really ugly. And there's
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  Speaker 2: ways that they've got more size, they've got more playoff experience,
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  Speaker 2: They're you're probably not gonna be able to just beat
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  Speaker 2: them punch for punch, strength for strength. There are ways
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  Speaker 2: that you can use your speed to minimize some of
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  Speaker 2: their physicality, that you can use your speed to become physicality. Right,
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  Speaker 2: it's draft week. How many times have you heard translate
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  Speaker 2: speed to power. You got to figure these things out.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not the right guy to tell you how
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  Speaker 2: it's done technique wise, but we have seen great players
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  Speaker 2: and great teams do that without having the biggest bodies
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  Speaker 2: on the ice. And it's obvious that if it's just
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  Speaker 2: like a who's bigger, that's the Vegas wins that.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, you're not you or I aren't the
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  Speaker 4: right people to tell you how you do that. But
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  Speaker 4: our guests at noon Nicolchik, who's color analysts from The Mammoth.
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  Speaker 4: He's also he also does some playoff work with Sports USA.
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  Speaker 4: You heard him on Sports USA here on ESPN seven
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  Speaker 4: hundred on Saturday. He's coming on at noon. He can
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  Speaker 4: help answer that question for US.
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  Speaker 2: Four to the final, and man, it was oh so,
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  Speaker 2: oh so close. You had a couple of good looks
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  Speaker 2: in the third when you were down three to two.
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  Speaker 2: That could have been the equalizer there, And obviously that
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  Speaker 2: changes the the complexion of a game. You have to
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  Speaker 2: figure out what's going on with your penalty kill.
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  Speaker 3: There?
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  Speaker 2: What now they're thirteen for the last twenty one. I
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  Speaker 2: believe that's not a percentage that you like as a
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  Speaker 2: Mammoth fan. Kerfoot love you, dude, that that penalty in
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  Speaker 2: the third and you killed the penalty down to twelve
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  Speaker 2: seconds left shorthanded, twelve seconds left shorthanded, and then just
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  Speaker 2: out of gas, Stenland was stand was just like diving
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  Speaker 2: for pucks and and trying to pitch it back down
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  Speaker 2: the ice just to buy more time. And it almost
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  Speaker 2: almost worked. Veggie gets pulled way out of the crease,
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  Speaker 2: way out in front. You got a wide open I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you could have driven a minivan. You could have driven
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  Speaker 2: the Zamath through the spot.
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  Speaker 3: That was Vaca.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was their captain Stone, Mark Stone who
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  Speaker 2: equalized at two to two. And then from there it
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  Speaker 2: was just like man Weiger lost a handle on a puck.
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  Speaker 2: And obviously he's been a great addition since the trade.
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  Speaker 2: He lost a handle on a puck that he sort
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  Speaker 2: of stole away, and you just can't those little mistakes.
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  Speaker 2: And I know we're all learning this together, but we
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  Speaker 2: see this in every sport, right when you get to
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  Speaker 2: a certain level of the season, when you get to playoffs,
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  Speaker 2: when you get to conference championship weekend, when you get
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  Speaker 2: to like where you know, the rubber truly meets the road,
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  Speaker 2: everybody's dialed in it at a different level. You your team,
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  Speaker 2: yourself should be on your team, and also your competition
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  Speaker 2: is going to be dialed in on a different level,
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  Speaker 2: and the mistakes become that much more costly.
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  Speaker 3: And in the third, the Mammoth had a.
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  Speaker 2: Couple of situations where they are little bit sloppy with
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  Speaker 2: pucks or with gathering loose pucks, or with passing out
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  Speaker 2: of a you know, a pressure situation, and that translated
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  Speaker 2: into the go ahead goal for the Mammoth in the
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  Speaker 2: weaker turnover case, the go ahead goal for the Knights,
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  Speaker 2: I should say, and then you got the empty nettor
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  Speaker 2: to really ice it away for two.
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  Speaker 5: So that's how it looked, That's how it was.
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  Speaker 2: Now you got to find a way to course correct,
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  Speaker 2: and you got to do it while you're in Vegas
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  Speaker 2: in a hostile environment with a team that I would
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  Speaker 2: not be surprised if you have like you did in
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  Speaker 2: the uh the Florida the Florida Panthers Otawa Senators series.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see that the fight, the first fight of
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  Speaker 2: the series happened three seconds after the puck dropped.
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  Speaker 3: It took three seconds.
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  Speaker 2: It was stall for the for Ottawa and it was
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  Speaker 2: uh ka chuck for Florida, if I'm not mistaken, And
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  Speaker 2: they just dropped the gloves and started swinging.
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  Speaker 4: Playoffs, baby, that's we've we heard that, and those of
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  Speaker 4: those of you that like like you and IOC that
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  Speaker 4: started tuning in a lot more to the playoffs the
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  Speaker 4: last couple of years because you got a team here.
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  Speaker 4: We we've been told before that and you saw it
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  Speaker 4: if you've been watching the last couple of seasons and
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  Speaker 4: more than that, obviously that that's how it goes in
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  Speaker 4: the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: There's way more fights.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot more skirmishes, even if they're not dropping
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  Speaker 4: their gloves and actually actually boxing each other. We saw that,
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  Speaker 4: what there was like three or four of those in
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  Speaker 4: the first period alone in the Mammoth game in Vegas,
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  Speaker 4: and well.
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  Speaker 2: You saw another one when I think about five minutes
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  Speaker 2: left in the third. If I'm not mistaken, where Gunther
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  Speaker 2: got a really nice chance, I'm kind of a breakaway.
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  Speaker 2: But there was a whistle for him being offside, right,
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  Speaker 2: and he still took the shot after being whistled off side. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this is an insanely loud arena, an insanely loud moment
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  Speaker 2: in the arena. It's coming down to true crunch time
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  Speaker 2: in this game, and Vegas, I think, had already been
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  Speaker 2: whistled for offside, and then obviously play doesn't stop until
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  Speaker 2: Vegas takes possession again and Gunther is just barely offside.
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  Speaker 2: Whistle comes, he still shoots it at the goal, which
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  Speaker 2: in hockey is cardinal sin. You're not, It's not like
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  Speaker 2: it's not like basketball then where you get the whistle
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  Speaker 2: blows and the guy takes a practice shot and no
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  Speaker 2: one cares. In hockey, Kevin go everybody is Kevin Garnett.
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  Speaker 2: In hockey, every single player on the ice is Kevin Garnett.
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  Speaker 2: You don't practice shots, you don't get practice shots. You
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  Speaker 2: don't send a puck towards my goalie when we've heard
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  Speaker 2: a whistle. You're not allowed to do that. Right, and Gunther,
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  Speaker 2: whether he heard it or not, he did it right.
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  Speaker 2: And the entire five on five became just like a skirmish,
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  Speaker 2: a little scuffle, everyone grabbing everyone, gloves in, faces, shoving
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  Speaker 2: each other, talking, you know what.
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  Speaker 3: And I was just like, man, this is chippy already.
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  Speaker 3: We're in game one, and this is chippy. And it
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  Speaker 3: was sometimes when your team is not playing all that well,
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  Speaker 3: or when your team is from behind trying to play
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  Speaker 3: from behind, your natural tendency is to be a lot
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  Speaker 3: more chippy. It was Vegas who was chippy.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: I think they maybe came into the series being like, look,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: let's try to scare these kids off of this thing.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Let's let these guys know what it's like.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: And so they used are experience to combat their lack
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: of experience, and and County is the way to do
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: that in the playoffs.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: And look, I mean, go back and watch it. Go
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: back and watch the end of the game. Final horn
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: blows all right, Vegas. Half the team goes and skates
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: off to celebrate. The other half the team is face
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: to face, eye contact, jaw jackin, pointing fingers, making threats,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: and in the case of Keegan, Kola, Sar and Mikhail Sergachev.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: They're holding on to each other's callers and having a
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: little conversation. The game is over. Vegas has just won
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: their first playoff game of the season. The Mammoth are like,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: dang it missed opportunity, and those two were contemplating with
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: the game in the books done. Those two were content playing,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: dropping the gloves right there, having a little conversation about it.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I would not be shocked if we saw Mikhail Sergachev
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: in the first one minute of Tuesday night fighting somebody,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: and you know what, I'm here for it. If it's
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: an energizing thing, if it's something that will wake up,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I don't think you need to wake up. I think
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: this team was awake. I think they just kind of
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: like took the foot off the gas pedal a little
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: too much, or maybe not even that, but probably just
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: underestimated how capable Vegas was going to be to elevate
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: their level in that third period.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: I think also, oh see, I think a lot of
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: the team goes without saying. A lot the team this
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: is their first playoff game. There's a good more than
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: we think that we think of this team, as no
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: one's played the playoffs. There's more than we think on
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: this man's team that has plenty of playoff experience, but
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: that's still there's still a lot that this is either
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: their first or they've had very few games before this, right.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: And in the case of even the guys who have
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: a ton of playoff experience, your role on this team
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: is different than your playoff experience was.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: You don't, yeah, exactly, you don't have that. They they
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: may or may not have had a lot, you know,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: multi year runs in the playoffs on their teams.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: This is the first time. They're still figuring that out.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: I think the I think Vegas did the right thing
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: in trying to be the bullies because they do have,
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: you know, a bevy of playoff experience, not just individually
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: but together. They won the Cup three years ago, right,
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: and most of that corps is still in Vegas. I
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: think they did the right thing and saying we're going
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: to show them what playoff hockey is, and that means
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: we're going to knock this you know what out of
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: them every chance we get. The amount of what was there,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: there was at least two in the first couple of
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: periods alone, and probably more in the third period, where
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: in football, you call them dec leaders, right, I don't
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: know what you call it in hockey. The d skaters
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: where they like, most of the hits you see are
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: right up against the boards.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: There was multiple that Vegas didn't even bother hitting them
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: up against the boards. They just lifted them off the
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: ground with how hard they hit them, and the Mammoth
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: players unfortunately fell on their backsides.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: This is I don't know if you can be totally
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: prepared enough when you don't have a ton of playoff experience,
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: particularly together for that kind of physicality in maybe your
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: first playoff game.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: You were out hit in this game fifty two to thirty.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: If you follow any of the Vegas Knights insiders, that
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: was their favorite stat.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: That was their thing.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: And we'll talk with Nicole Chick about you know, what
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: it really truly translates to when you are hitting fifty
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: two to thirty is a hit differential. The Mammoth are
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: not going to win a lot in playoff hockey. They're
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: not gonna I don't think have more hits than a
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: lot of opponents that are in this playoff field. I
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: don't their style of play. Even though we've heard Bill
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Armstrong talk about it and heard coach Bear talk about
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: it a desire to have that kind of identity, that
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: physical intimidator identity. You don't have the bodies for that
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: right now. And it's not disparaging, it's not an insult.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: It's just you are a little bit more of a
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: finesse team. Then you probably want to admit that you are.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: And that's why that's why you're in the playoffs because
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: you're so proficient as goal scorers. How many times did
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: this team shut out their opponents this year?
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: I think it's once? Was it twice? Right, you're a
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: volume scoring team.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: You've got a bunch of guys even on your blue
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: line that can put the puck in the back of
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: the net.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: It's a good thing on one hand.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: On the other, you look at a stat like this
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: and you're especially as kind of a new high. You're like, wait,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: is that as bad as I think it is? And
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: the answer is yes, it's as bad as you think
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: it is. You can't let that gap. It's it's the
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: basketball equivalent of you got out rebounded fifty two to thirty.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: It's a great call by you because the rebounding is you.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: It connotes physicality, in basketball, for sure like that sort
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: of thing.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: It's it's a great comparison.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: It's it's the football equivalent of your opponent rushed for
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty yards and you rushed for eighty.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're just like, ah.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: It's the line of scrimmage in this game was established
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: and held and dominated by the Vegas Knights. Any pundit
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: would have told you that they have an advantage there.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: But you cannot let the reality of this series be
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: a continuation of that stat line.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: When just be because we've we've spent now twenty five
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: minutes talking about how physicality is one of the most
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: important things and one of the biggest differences in the
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: uptick in that is one of the biggest differences in
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: playoff hockey versus regular season hockey. Doesn't mean the Mammoth
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: have no chance in this series, not even close.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: One game.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: They played really well. I will say this about the
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: goal scoring that concerns me. They got plenty of good shots,
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: especially early, but the fact that they really only scored
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: one goal. The other one was basically an own goal
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: that was credited to Stenlin because he was the closest
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: guy to it. It was a deflection off of their
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: defense player, right, Like, it's that from a goal scoring
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: perspective that concerns me a little bit too.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: But I have all the confidence in the world that
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: they will.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: They have too much talent, especially in that area for
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: that to be the story of the series in my opinion,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: but that they're going to have to figure out a
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: way to handle Vegas's physicality better and to you know,
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: give a few more hits back, right, maybe start a
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: few more fights.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't know what you do.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Like, honestly, spicy tuna, he ain't your best player, putting
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: it for a few minutes. But and I know that
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: you probably didn't playoff hockey. You probably can't afford to
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: just take the unnecessary penalty.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: But I I think there's a tacit.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Agreement here between these two squads that it's like, all right,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: we're gonna it's gonna get ugly. And by the way,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: when when the gunther rush off sides shot happened and
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: it was both teams penalized at once and you're four
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: on four, that's better for the mammoth if.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: You're four on four or you're three on three and
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: there's more spacing on the ice. That's better for the mammoth.
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: Like if you can goat somebody into fighting with you
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: and you both spend some time in the box and
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: we get a little bit more open ice, let's go.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: We are we were gonna call this spicy tuna four
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: on four?
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Is that what this strategy is gonna be? Maybe I'm
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: giving him too much credit. Maybe maybe maybe McBain is
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: really the.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Guy made McBain I as soon as they announced he's
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: back and ready for the playoffs, I was like, Oh,
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: that's a big deal because that's a guy who he's
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: most of his game is being an enforcer, right, and
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: he's got playoff experience. So yeah, I would say that
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: he's probably the one that they'll probably deploy out there
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: to maybe do something like that.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: On the text line.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Thank you, by the way for the correction on the
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: text line. And this is one hundred percent. I don't
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: know why I had Florida Panthers stuck about. It's because
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: it was a kachuck that was fighting. It was Tampa
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: and Ottawa. It was it was the Ottawa Kuchuk. It
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: was Brady Kuchuk fighting against Stall. So Florida's not even
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say I I should have known enough
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: to say I thought for to miss the playoffs.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: But Rylan on the text line.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Says, and I know it's early and it's a playoffs,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: but that's rivalry type action. I'd be absolutely static if
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: this starts a true rivalry. It would be in everyone's
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: best interest. If the Mammoth and the Vegas Knights become
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: a real hockey rivalry, that would be fantastic. And a
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: spirited playoff series is a great way to start establishing
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: that they're a new franchise. We're a new franchise. We
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: live in an awesome place. They live in a scummy,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: dirty place. They've got a good arena experience. Ours is
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: going to be slightly better as we figured it all out,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, let's make it a
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: real rivalry.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: That'd be fun. Delta is a better company than T Mobile.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: That's Delta is like the top airline. T Mobiles like
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: the third best mobile carrier.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: All right, Yeah, it's uh, it's gonna be great if
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: that's what this turns out to be. And if if
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: Game one is any indication, I think it absolutely will.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: What do you think of.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: And I'm stealing this from the text line during Bryce
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: and bing Ucci the morning show on esp and the
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: Fan there was they were soliciting future nicknames for this rivalry,
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: and the one that I liked best was sin City
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: versus or the Strip versus the Summit.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna lean in further to the stereotypes about these
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: two places, Saints versus Center, Saints versus Sinners. I don't
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: think I don't think that there's actually any Latter Day
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Saints playing for the Utah Mammoth. I don't think any
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: of the players are Mormon. But you know, but that's
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: what what people think of Vegas. It's in city. Yeah,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: when people think of Utah, they either think of nothing
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: at all or they think of, well, it's a bunch
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: of Mormons. So let's lean into it, babe, Saints versus Sinners.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Otherwise it's just like an I fifteen rivalry. By the way,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: did you see, real quick, did you see the sign?
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I was scrolling through social media the sign outside I
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: think it was beer house in Vegas that said Mammoth
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Mammoth going extinct tonight. I mean, I was like, yes,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: I'm here for that thing. Even though it's at our
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: team's expense, Like I'm here for the snarky back and forth.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: We might have to run. We got some giveaways.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: We might have to run in Golden Knights insult contest here, Yeah,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: like give me the best Golden Knights insult bonus points
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: if it's a pun of some kind, Golden Knight's more
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: like golden.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: They can't even come up with.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: A newsers all right, Golden the losers maybe eight seven
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: seven three five three zero seven hundred.
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• 32:11
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• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Devin, welcome to show again. How are you, sir?
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: Doing great things for having me on again, Sean, And yeah,
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: this is a draft week and one of the most
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: exciting weeks of the year, so I'm looking forward.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: To the Dexter Lawrence trade.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: How much does that alter the the top of this
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: draft now that you know Cincinnati and the Giants came
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: to that agreement.
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it changes the way that the Giants
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: approach it a little bit, and not more so with
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: like necessarily the first pick, but I think with the
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: second pick, because now it opens them up. You know,
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: it felt like you know, they were gonna, you know,
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: probably go you know, best available at number five, whether
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: it's going to be Killed Downs or Jeremi Love or
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: Sunning styles and maybe on the day two of the
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: draft go after a receiver, but now they have a
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: chance with two top ten picks to you know, pair
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: a defensive player up with a weapon for Jackson Dart.
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: So I think for the Giants, you're looking at probably
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: Caleb Downs or Sunny Styles at number five overall scenes
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: where a lot of the smoke is starting to lean toward.
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: And at number ten, if there's a receiver there, like
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: a Jordan Tyson, I think that will make a lot
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: of sense for the Giants. But you know, they also
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: could use them interior line help and you know Vega
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: Yuwanna from Penn State, I think will make a lot
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: of sense. And I think it gives them some flexibility
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: in that first round and.
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: Changes a little bit the way that maybe you.
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: Know, those picks eleven through fifteen, eleven through sixteen shapeout
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: and maybe there's a tackle that slides down the board
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: a little bit, because obviously the Giants are off the
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: tackle right now.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Was this a win for Cincinnati?
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: We've talked about how they just don't have the defense
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: to match what they've got offensively, but also, you know,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: if you're Joe Burrow, you're looking at like, cool, we've
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: got a defensive lineman.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Can I get an offensive lineman?
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: Maybe?
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Is this the right move for Cincinnati in your opinion?
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: You know, I think for them it, you know, I
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: think right now, yeah, probably so, because you know, I
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: think they just haven't been really hitting on their first
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: round pick, so the late you know, I think they
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: you know, our a team that you know, goes for
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: the high upside trades for the developmental player typically in
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: round one, and they just haven't been hitting on those
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: guys lately. And obviously the jury is still out on
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: Shamar Stewart. But you know, I think for the Cincinnati Bengals,
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: you know, you need, you know, a guy that's going
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: to be productive, that can give you stuff right away
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: and right now.
• 34:42
  Speaker 8: And so I think it's a good first start.
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: You know, I think Dexter Lawrence certainly helps that defense,
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: but uh, they're still going to need some more secondary
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: help and obviously, as you mentioned, offensive line help, and
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: they still have to nail the draft. So I think
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: right now is a good first step for Cincinnati, but
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: they still have some work to.
• 34:59
  Speaker 9: Do for sure.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I was listening to Rich Eyesen this morning and he
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: had Fernanda Mendoza on, and obviously Fernando still projected to
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: be the number one pick through the Raiders. When you
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: watch his film and you listen to his interviews, and
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: you know, fit is an important thing. And we've had
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: former players on and we've had people talking about how
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: look for Nana Mendoza was undeniably a great college football player.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: I know that we've kind of touched on this before
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: the aw Shocks boy scout thing. Is it going to
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: work in Las Vegas of all places?
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: You know, I think it's going to work if they're
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: having success. You know, I think it doesn't really matter,
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: you know, the way that you know people are, you know,
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: maybe perceived, or the leadership that they bring, or the
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: type of style that they bring. You know, I think
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: every player is a little bit different, you know, the
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: way that they approached the game, all those things. But
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: I think success, you know, Trump's everything. You know, whether
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: you know it's the way you know, whether you have
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: like quiet leadership like a Justin Herbert, or you you
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: have kind of more you know, those raw ro speeches
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: that you've seen in the past. I think it all
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: comes down to how successful he is early in his
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: career in Las Vegas, and if he can really elevate
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: the offense and make it you know, it doesn't have
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: to be like a top ten offense, but but something
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: that's enjoyable to watch. That's something that you know, they're
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: moving the ball consistently and being you know, somewhat of
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: an explosive offense. So I don't really look at it
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: as a fact like is it going to fit in
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: the locker room? I think more so, you know, whatever
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: he brings to the table, you know, can you win?
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: And I think that's what teammates, UH and players mostly
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: care about more than anything, you know, and obviously the
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: coaches and the owners.
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: Can you win?
• 36:42
  Speaker 7: And can you you know, go up against some of
• 36:45
  Speaker 7: the best within your division because you're going to be
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: playing against Herbert and Patrick Mahons and and can you
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: really elevate the offense? So I think that's what's gonna
• 36:54
  Speaker 7: matter most about Mendoza's fit is not necessarily his personality
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: or the way that he approaches his leadership, but I
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: think if he can elevate the offense and truly win
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: some games for them, because that's what they desperately need
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: right now.
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• 37:23
  Speaker 2: And obviously he's the first name we expect to hear
• 37:27
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• 37:30
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• 37:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he goes in, you know, the kind
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: of that I think you're looking at a range of
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: probably like eleven to nineteen is where I feel like
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: he comfortably fits in. You know, I think he's going
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: to be a guy that you know, probably doesn't go
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: you know, inside the top ten, you know, is certainly possible,
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: but you know, I think there's not a ton of
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: like tackle needy teams in that range, So I think
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: that was what's going to make his landing spot interesting.
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: But you know, in the teams and the late late teens,
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: I think that makes a lot of sense for his range.
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: And I don't think he's a guy that's going to
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: get too down too far down the board. And then
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: if he does start to slip, I think you're going
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: to see teams get a little bit aggressive and going.
• 38:15
  Speaker 8: Up and grab them.
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: But yeah, I expect him to go within that eleven
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: and nineteen range and you know, comfortably, you know, and
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: kind of that first half of the first round, and
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: if not, he won't last that much longer.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Is Ohio State going to be the most decorated, the
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: most talked about college program after this draft? I mean,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: we hear a bunch of big names up top. You've
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: already mentioned a couple of them, and that's one thing
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: that helps in recruiting. It helps in the reputation of
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: a college program moving forward. Obviously, Utah's expecting to get
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: a little bump, especially on the offensive line recruiting, when
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: they can say, yeah, we had two tackles, maybe both
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: of them in the first round or a first round guy,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: a second nd own guy. Which team is going to
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: come out looking the best after this draft?
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: From a college standpoint, Yeah, I think you have to
• 39:07
  Speaker 8: go Ohio State.
• 39:08
  Speaker 7: You know, there's a potential that you know, three picks
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: inside the top ten are from Ohio State and from
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: the defensive side of the ball. You know, I think
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: that speaks valumes to you know, what they're they've been
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: able to do recruiting wise, what they've been able to
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: do development wise. Obviously, playing under Matt Patricia last year
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: certainly help a lot of those prospects to getting NFL
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: coaching and guy with NFL head coaching experience and defensive
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: coordinator experience at the next level. So I think for
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: Ohio State you have to say them, but I also
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: say Indiana it's probably not too far behind. I think
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: obviously in those of being the first overall pick, then
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: you're gonna have guys that go on Day two like
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: D'Angelo Ponds and Elijah Surratt, and obviously Omark Cooper Junior
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: could also be a first round guy too. So I
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: think Ohio State and Indiana are the two teams that
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: come out looking, you know, some of the best, you know,
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: because I think it goes to show, especially on Indiana's
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: perspective and not really having that top upper echelon type
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: prospects in the draft class. Usually they're a little bit
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: of later round or UDF eight guys. They're going to have,
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: you know, maybe five, six, even seven guys drafted. But
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: how State is kind of the standard and they have
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: been for a little bit, and they're once again, you know,
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: having top guys come out and be top picks in
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: the NFL Draft.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Trent Williams in the forty nine ers have reached an
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: agreement he's extended. Now he's with the team through the
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: end of twenty twenty seven, and Caleb Lomu has been
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: talked about as a you know, potential fit with the
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: San Francisco forty nine ers. I think a short term
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: deal like that probably doesn't change anything for him if
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: the Niners are interested in him. But I wanted to
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: get your thoughts on it. Does Trent Williams being extended
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: change what the Niners do with their pick at the end.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Of the first round.
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: I don't think so.
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: You know, I think for for San Francisco, they're kind
• 41:01
  Speaker 7: of in a weird spot, right, you know, They're they're
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: twenty seven overall, They're they're trying to continue to extend
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: a super Bowl window. So I think maybe it makes
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: off the tackle a little less likely. But you know,
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: if Cale Lomu is the best player available on their board,
• 41:16
  Speaker 7: I can certainly see them taking them because Lomo's not.
• 41:19
  Speaker 8: Lomo is not going to be a guy that you know.
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: Is going to be an immediate starter at the NFL level.
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: Think he's going to take some time to develop and
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: you know, get acclimated to the game and get a
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: little bit stronger. But I think for San Francisco, you're
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: you're looking at really a situation where you know, even
• 41:35
  Speaker 7: if Trent Williams plays really well this year, you know,
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: he's missed games and he's been banged up over the
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: last couple of years, and he just hasn't been on
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: the field, maybe as much as San Francisco likes. So
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: you also got to think about the long term aspect
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: of it. Yes, he's still playing well well into his thirties,
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: but you've got to have that contingency plan ready in
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: case he does walk away from the game, in case,
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: you know, they do decide to trade him or something
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: like that next offseason. So I think with with Lomu,
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: you know, being a potential fit there, I think it
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: still makes sense.
• 42:04
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: I think, you know, for San Francisco it's Lomu. Maybe
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: they could go safety and take it like a guy
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: like a name or McNeil Warren from Toledo. Maybe they
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: could go receiver and add more to the receiver room,
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: you know, after losing a couple of guys this offseason.
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: So I think for the forty nine ers, it opens
• 42:20
  Speaker 7: up a little bit for what they could do at
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: twenty seven, but obviously it just depends on what the
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: board dictates and who's there at twenty seven.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: What is Jeremiah Love going to be in the NFL?
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: You hear some pundits talk and say this, he's the
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: best player overall, but he's a running back, and some
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: teams devalue that position. Recently, I think because of guys
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: like Christian McCaffrey, teams have once again embraced how valuable
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: a great running back can be. What is Jeremiah Love
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: in this draft and in the first five ten years
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: of his career.
• 42:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he's one of the best players in
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: this draft class. I think is now even just the
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: running ability and the elusiveness in the open field, it's
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: the value brings as a pass catcher. You know, Nordain
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: really split him out a little bit more this year
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: and allowed him to run routes and win, you know, vertically,
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: and win one on one to get safeties and linebackers.
• 43:17
  Speaker 7: That specific skill set is so valuable for NFL teams
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: because he's not a guy that you're just going to
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: hand the ball off to. Thirty times in the backfield.
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: He's a guy you can throw it too in the flat,
• 43:28
  Speaker 7: you can throw it to one on one situations with linebackers.
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: So you know, I think skill set wise, he's coming
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: in and you know, you can make an argument maybe
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: top seven, top eight on skill alone, you know, because
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: there's not many guys that can bring that two way
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: and that two way dynamic ability. And I think that's
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: I would love you. You're getting a guy that has
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: a chance to quickly ascend into that top ten, top
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: twelve range of running backs just because of a skill
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: set alone. And the production I think is going to
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: be key to what he does. But yeah, I think
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: you're you're getting out prospect that's more in the elk
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: of like a Christian McCaffrey, where he was so good
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: with the ball in his hands no matter where he was.
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: You can can put him out as a slot receiver
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: and he can can make things happen. So I think
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: that that gives him, you know, some strong ability. I
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: think Bjon Robinson too is probably in that elk as well.
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: The last you know, uh, you know, I guess eight
• 44:23
  Speaker 7: ers are nine drafts, you know, sae Quon Barkley up there.
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: You know, if you bring.
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: Value as a receiver out of the backfield, you know,
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: and in addition to being a home run hitter as
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: a runner, you're going to find you know, early success
• 44:35
  Speaker 7: in the NFL. And I think Love is on that trajectory.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: You're out there in Philadelphia. How is the A. J.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Brown saga going to end?
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: Well, all reports seemed like it's going to end in
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: the trade. You know, it seems like it's trending that way.
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: And you know, posting the first when when the money
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: will be spread out over two years instead of taking
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: a big deck dead cap hit this year, it seems
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: like it is probably coming to the end the summer.
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: So yeah, I think it's certainly not you know, a
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: great time right now, obviously with the draft coming up,
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: and you know, hearing that Brown is is probably going
• 45:13
  Speaker 7: to be traded, and it's been trending that way for
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: a while.
• 45:16
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: I think there's still a little bit of a denial
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: for Eagles fans because it's hard to see a guy
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: that was so you know, vital and critical for the
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: Eagles super Bowl success. You know, the Super Bowl runs
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: that they've had over the last couple of years, Uh
• 45:30
  Speaker 7: to want to still be out and and you know,
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: go go about his business and go somewhere else. But
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: I think he's at a point of his career where,
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: you know, productive, he wants more production, you know, he
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: wants to be more involved in the offense. And the
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: Eagles just aren't at that juncture right now with still
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: Leaving leaning a lot of heavy run, heavy offense and
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: uh kind of relying on Brown to kind of bail
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: out the passing offense, you know, on vertical shots. So
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: I think, you know, a J. Brown, you know, it
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: seems like he's gonna probably end as a New England Patriot.
• 46:01
  Speaker 7: And you know, I think for for the Eagles, it
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: seems like the best is inevitable at this point.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: What are the Eagles going to do in the first.
• 46:09
  Speaker 8: Round, Yeah, I think They're going to go off as
• 46:12
  Speaker 8: to tackle.
• 46:13
  Speaker 7: I think they're they're going to want to try and
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: get you know, better at that spot and want to
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: have a contingency plan for Lane Johnson, you know, he's
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: entering the twilight of his career. You know, he's still
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: playing at a high level, but he's been banged up
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: over the last couple of years. You know, he missed
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: games last year. You know he missed games the year before.
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: So I think for the Eagles they want to try
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: and get you know, kind of a successor to him, uh,
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: and guys that can can fit in, you know, maybe
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: a guard, maybe a tackle. You're looking at Caden Proctor
• 46:43
  Speaker 7: from Alabama. I think he's been a name connected to
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: the Egles throughout this process. Massive offensive lineman, power, athleticism,
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: everything you look for, and kind of that bigger offensive
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: lineman type. Monroe Freeling from Georgia. You know, he could
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: go as highs and the top two you know, it
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: could be a guy that lasts a little bit into
• 47:02
  Speaker 7: the teams in early twenties. So I think those two
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: guys are at the top of the list. And you
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: know they can go Maxi Andrisco from Arizona State. You know,
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: they could go low move from Utah as options as well.
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: So I think tackle is at the top of the list.
• 47:17
  Speaker 7: And then you know next, you know, is Kenyan Cidy
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: gonna make it down to twenty three. Probably not, so
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: I probably crossed him off the board, but maybe he's
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: available via trade up. And then after that, I think
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: receiver he has to come in mind. You know, Jordan
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: Tyson seemed like a guy that was potentially falling down
• 47:35
  Speaker 7: a board, but it seems like he's probably going to
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: go you know, top ten, top fifteen, so he's probably
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: out of the Eagles range. But Casey conceptsi Owed from
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: Texas A and M certainly an option for the Eagles.
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: Dinzel Boston from Washington, Omark Cooper Junior from Indiana. So
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: I think all those things combined, I would go, you know,
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: probably tackle that, maybe receiver and then maybe edge rusher
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: as a third position they could target. But I think
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: off of the tackle is the group they've done the
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: most work on during this pre draft process and the
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: most likely pick I think at twenty three for the Eagles.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: I know it's not going to be a first round pick,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: but you did have a chance to catch up with
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Utah zone Dallon Bentley at the Shrine Bowl. And you
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: know that's a name that's been floating around in the
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Eagles circles as far as I know. So is there
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: a possibility that Dallon Bentley ends up wearing Eagles green?
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, certainly. I Mean the Eagles were down at the
• 48:28
  Speaker 7: Shrine Bowl. They had like a heavy scouting staff, you know, presence.
• 48:33
  Speaker 7: So I think with getting a guy like Bentley in,
• 48:37
  Speaker 7: you know, get him on day three. A guy that
• 48:39
  Speaker 7: can come in has some blocking ability. The receiving ability,
• 48:43
  Speaker 7: I think is what's really going to interest teams and
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: interest the Eagles specifically. And the guy that still has
• 48:49
  Speaker 7: a runway to develop. You know, he's still relatively new
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: to the position. You know, he played in high school,
• 48:56
  Speaker 7: you know, and only had one snap before his season ended.
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: You know, he went on a mission of Latter Day
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: Saints and then he came back, went to Juco Route,
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: played a couple of years tight end there and then
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: a couple of years at Utah. So he's been on
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: quite the journey, you know, from you know, playing one
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: snap in high school to potentially be an NFL draft pick.
• 49:17
  Speaker 7: And I think he will fit a long term need
• 49:19
  Speaker 7: for the Eagles because the Eagles only have you know,
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: I think like five or six tight ends on the roster,
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: but about three of them or three or four of
• 49:27
  Speaker 7: them only have one year deals left. So they need
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: more tight ends in that room and need some young,
• 49:32
  Speaker 7: younger presents in there. And I think Dallan Bentley checks
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: a lot of those boxes. And they've been interested in
• 49:38
  Speaker 7: him throughout the process.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Enjoy the draft. Always appreciate your insight and your time. Devin,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
• 49:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks for having me on Sean. Look forward to
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: maybe talking again some down the line. Sometime down the line.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: We absolutely will be checking in again, probably recapping where
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: the utes get drafted.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: Remember, Spencer.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Projected to be in like you heard Devin say that
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: kind of eleven to nineteen range in some places even
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: a little higher. Kleb Lomo's still holding strong as a
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: projected late round, early late first round, early second round pick.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Guys like Bentley and Logan, Fano and Lander Barton expected
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: to be Day three guys, but we hope to see
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: all of them get their NFL opportunities in the best
• 50:27
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why you would walk away. He's thirty
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  Speaker 2: He's gonna make like two million bucks plus probably a
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  Speaker 1: He's Sean O'Connell's show. You were home of the best
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  Speaker 1: inside of your Humans. Let's get back to OC from
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to our number two on a Monday.
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  Speaker 2: It's a Sean O'Connell show, and we're lucky enough to
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: have nick Olchick join us Utah Mammoth Analysts. You can
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: see him on Tuesday night on the UTAH sixteen, the
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: local broadcast for Mammoth versus Golden Knights playoff hockey game
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: two of the opening round series.
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  Speaker 3: Nick ol Chick, Welcome to the show again. How are you,
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: sir John.
• 55:26
  Speaker 9: Great to be with you, man.
• 55:28
  Speaker 10: Really really exciting time here in Salt Lake City, and
• 55:32
  Speaker 10: of course with the first ever playoff first for the Mammoths,
• 55:36
  Speaker 10: the build up for the game last night was special.
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: You could just you.
• 55:41
  Speaker 9: Could feel the energy from Vegas, even though for some
• 55:45
  Speaker 9: of us who weren't there, there were watch parties going
• 55:48
  Speaker 9: all around the.
• 55:48
  Speaker 8: Great state of Utah.
• 55:49
  Speaker 9: It's it's the best time of the year. And and
• 55:53
  Speaker 9: I know everybody's very, very excited that the that their
• 55:56
  Speaker 9: favorite team is in the playoffs.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Absolutely buzzing for Friday night when we get to see
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: this team host a playoff game. But we'll try to
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: be patient for it. And let's talk about what happened
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: in the third period last night. You've got a much
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: more seasoned and veteran eye on these things than any
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: of us do.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: What happened to the Mammoth in period three?
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  Speaker 9: Well, I think it was one of those games where
• 56:19
  Speaker 9: you know, Utah did a heck of a job in
• 56:21
  Speaker 9: the first two periods and and look, I think at
• 56:24
  Speaker 9: the end of the day, there's there's going to be
• 56:26
  Speaker 9: adversity throughout the course of a of a game, is
• 56:30
  Speaker 9: throughout a playoff series as well, and I think Utah
• 56:33
  Speaker 9: can be can be relatively happy with how they played.
• 56:37
  Speaker 9: I don't think there's any doubt about that. You saw
• 56:39
  Speaker 9: the postgame press conferences where you know the yes, the
• 56:45
  Speaker 9: disappointment was at you know there was a four to
• 56:48
  Speaker 9: two loss, but you know this team did did a
• 56:50
  Speaker 9: lot of good things. But I really think when you
• 56:52
  Speaker 9: look at the game in totality, there's john I think
• 56:55
  Speaker 9: two areas really stood out to me. First is the
• 56:57
  Speaker 9: Vegas Golden Knights defenseman. They love to pinch down the wall,
• 57:01
  Speaker 9: and by that I mean when Utah's got the puck
• 57:04
  Speaker 9: in their own zoned, their defensemen are really tight up.
• 57:08
  Speaker 9: They don't sag, they don't retreat. And so when the
• 57:11
  Speaker 9: defensemen moved that puck to the wingers along the boards
• 57:13
  Speaker 9: and Utah is trying to work themselves out of their zone,
• 57:16
  Speaker 9: there is not a lot of time and space at
• 57:19
  Speaker 9: all to be able to make a play let alone
• 57:21
  Speaker 9: when you do get the puck on your six. So
• 57:23
  Speaker 9: I'm looking for an adjustment there to help Utah break
• 57:27
  Speaker 9: out a little bit cleaner as the game goes on,
• 57:30
  Speaker 9: but man, oh man, did they ever have some good
• 57:32
  Speaker 9: rushes in the first two periods and then once you
• 57:34
  Speaker 9: did get to the third, I thought the biggest difference
• 57:37
  Speaker 9: in this game overall was was the NetFront presence for
• 57:41
  Speaker 9: the Vegas Golden Knights, and then they had a presence
• 57:43
  Speaker 9: all game long, but in the third period it seems
• 57:45
  Speaker 9: like they really they really turned it up. They did
• 57:48
  Speaker 9: not really let Parrelva Malcas see any shots that were
• 57:52
  Speaker 9: clean from distance. And then on the reverse side of it,
• 57:56
  Speaker 9: for the Utah Mammoth, I just think they need they
• 57:58
  Speaker 9: need to do a better job of not only getting
• 58:01
  Speaker 9: a player at the front of that, but more Vegas's defense.
• 58:04
  Speaker 9: They're big, they're mean, and they are more than capable
• 58:09
  Speaker 9: of moving guys out of the front of the net.
• 58:10
  Speaker 9: So anyone trying to screen their goaltender, they have the
• 58:14
  Speaker 9: strength and the.
• 58:15
  Speaker 8: Ability to move them out of there and allow.
• 58:17
  Speaker 9: Their goaltender to get a good clean look at it.
• 58:19
  Speaker 9: So I'm looking forward to game two. We saw a
• 58:23
  Speaker 9: lot of nastiness in that game and plenty worth talking about,
• 58:27
  Speaker 9: and some of the bad blood that's continuing to build
• 58:31
  Speaker 9: between a budding rivalry between the Golden Knights and the Mammoths.
• 58:34
  Speaker 9: But but I think the pinching defenseman as well as
• 58:37
  Speaker 9: the net from Presidence ended up being a real difference
• 58:40
  Speaker 9: maker in the third period in game one.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Noose stat lines don't tell a full story, but the
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: Mammoth got out hit fifty two to thirty I think
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: was the official final tally. How problematic is that? And
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: is it something that they can close the gap on
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: in game two and beyond.
• 58:57
  Speaker 9: It's to be expected this time of the year. It's hit,
• 59:00
  Speaker 9: be hit. That's that's the mantra for for every player.
• 59:04
  Speaker 9: And you know what I love so much about this
• 59:06
  Speaker 9: time of the year is, yes, the guys that are
• 59:07
  Speaker 9: naturally more physical are going to have a field day.
• 59:11
  Speaker 9: But but look for some of the guys that that
• 59:13
  Speaker 9: maybe aren't traditionally the physical type, you know, Look look
• 59:17
  Speaker 9: for those guys to to be just a physical And
• 59:21
  Speaker 9: I think one guy for the Vegas Golden Knights that
• 59:23
  Speaker 9: really brought it was Ivan Barbashev. I mean, he led
• 59:27
  Speaker 9: the team and led the entire game with with thirteen
• 59:31
  Speaker 9: hits just for him alone. But you know, Utah's game.
• 59:35
  Speaker 9: They play a physical brand of hockey and that they're
• 59:38
  Speaker 9: not shy to go body on body and they have
• 59:41
  Speaker 9: their fair share of guys that can hit, whether it's
• 59:44
  Speaker 9: Brandon Tanev up front, Michael Karconi may not be the
• 59:48
  Speaker 9: biggest guy in the world, but but he's never afraid
• 59:50
  Speaker 9: to throw the body lost and Kraus had nine hits
• 59:54
  Speaker 9: in last night's.
• 59:55
  Speaker 8: Game as well.
• 59:56
  Speaker 9: So is it their style of hockey to a team
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 9: me not, But that's where you need to rely on
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 9: your speed to try to be able to move the
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 9: puck quickly and know that, yeah, you're gonna be hit,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 9: You're gonna need to be able to take hits to
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 9: make plays. And I think for times Utah did that well.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 9: Become playoff time there Sean it's it is hit or
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 9: be hit, And yeah, fifty two hits, that's the most
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 9: the Vegas goal the Knights have had in a playoff
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 9: game in their history. So I think that really speaks
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 9: to the rivalry that's beginning between both of these teams.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 9: And a lot of those hits led to whistles, and
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 9: after the whistles, the hitting, the face washing, the shoving,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 9: the pushing, the grabbing, the chirping, didn't stop. It continued
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 9: on even more energetically after the whistles, and in terms
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 9: of the physicality of that game, it was very evident
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 9: from the opening puck drop and Utah is going to
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 9: have to make sure that they're ready. And one thing,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 9: one more thing in terms of the hitting aspect of
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 9: the game in game one, one guy that really set
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 9: out to me, who is demanding the puck, who wanted
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 9: it on his stick, who yes, scored the first ever
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 9: goal and will be the answer to a trivia question,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 9: first ever playoff goal in Mammoth history, And I was
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 9: Logan Cooley. I have the pleasure of seeing him up
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 9: close and personal for all the home games when I'm
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 9: down there between the benches, and he is the kind
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 9: of guy that, yes, he can take over the game
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 9: with his skill set. You can take over the game with.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 8: The speed that he possesses.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 9: But he can also take over with some of the
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 9: jawing and the physicality going back and forth. When he
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 9: gets hit, He hits back, when he's pushed, he shoves back.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 9: When when someone says something to him, you better believe
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 9: he's given it right back to him. And he's he's
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 9: certainly not going into a hole. Logan Cooley had four
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 9: hits and they were pretty noticeable hits, including a couple
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 9: of reverse hits as well to try to get a
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 9: little bit more time and space for himself to make
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 9: a play, and of course the beautiful goal that he scored.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 9: So everybody's got to ratchet up their game in terms
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 9: of the body contact this time of the year. But
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 9: it is certainly a calling card for the Vegas goal.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 9: The night's seen when you look at the makeup of
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 9: their group, both on the decor as well as the forwards,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 9: and then looking for an even bigger response for the
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 9: Mammoths in totality in game two.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Cool.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: He certainly got under the skin of Nick Dowd. I
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: mean the highlights going around the death threat and you
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: you love to see I love to see the chippiness.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: I know that this team is kind of growing into
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: what it's playoff identity is going to be. Obviously, he's
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: the first time they've all played together in the playoffs,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: first time this franchise, this version of it's been in
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: the playoffs, and.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: You know the.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: Spacing on ice in playoff hockey, and I think you
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: were trying to describe some of this with those pinching
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: defensemen and things like that. But is it is it
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: something that they can address formationally? Is it something they
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: can address tactically the Utah mammoth in order to get
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: guys like Gunther, who's maybe not the most physical and
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: I don't say that as an insult, it's just not
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: his game. To get him better looks a little bit
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: more space to where his speed and precision has more
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: room to breathe against a team like Vegas.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 9: Yeah, this time of the year, it's about subtle, little tweaks,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 9: subtle adjustments, you know. And if we are going to
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 9: use that pinching defenseman as an example, there's really two
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 9: ways to do that, Sean. Firstus all those wingers along
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 9: the boards, they can come a little bit deeper, and
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 9: so the more you retreat into your zone, the defenseman
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 9: probably going to be a little less apt to come
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 9: down the wall because you've got to come such a
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 9: further distance a little bit more risky for them. Or
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 9: the inverse of that is, as a winger, as soon
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 9: as you see that your defenseman has one hundred percent
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 9: control of the buck, that's where you can maybe kind
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 9: of pull out. You're not flying the zone. You're not
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 9: picking cherries, you're not looking for the hail Mary passing behind,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 9: but you just you pull out a little bit closer
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 9: to their defenseman, so that way you force him to
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 9: vacate the space that he's in and you're able to
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 9: kind of almost reverse pinch in a way. And I
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 9: think with a guy like Dylan Gunther, I thought that
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 9: line of he, Logan Cooley and Kyrie Alamoto were the
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 9: best line for the Utah Mammoth. And Dylan certainly had
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 9: his fair share of looks. He had fifteen shot attempts.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 9: I mean, he was all around it, especially off the rush.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 9: And the one thing that we saw from that line
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 9: in particular, aside from just the great youth and the skill,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 9: is the speed. Is that when they were able to
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 9: move the puck quickly inefficiently out of their zone through
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 9: the middle of the ice, their speed was really tough
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 9: for the Vegas Golden Knights to handle in the area
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 9: of the ice in between both blue lines. So I
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 9: think that is another way Utah can find a way
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 9: to generate even more off the rush. And yeah, Vegas
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 9: is a big team, they have some fast players, but
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 9: I think he give the speed and pace edge to
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 9: the Mammoth, and if they continue to use their speed
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 9: through the middle of the ice, that's going to help
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 9: them in a big way. And then the next most
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 9: important part to that is if Utah is able to
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 9: get a shot off the rush or they're able to
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 9: make a play, they got to find the way to
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 9: be able to recover those bocks off of a rebound
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 9: that sports to the corner or a rebound that's at
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 9: the front of the net. More inside play, I think
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 9: is certainly going to help this team going into Game
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 9: two to create a little bit more in terms of
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 9: the offensive side of the game.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Utah Mammoth analyst Nick Olchik as our guest here on
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: the Sean O'Connell Show. You can catch him on Tuesday
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: night on the local broadcast. It'll be on Utah sixteen
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: as the Mammoth once again in Vegas. Taken on the
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: Golden Knights Game two of the first round playoff series.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: What happened on the empty netter that Vegas scored. We
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: saw like the down ice view from behind Veggie and
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: on the broadcast there was a conversation about whether or
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: not he was skating over to the bench when he
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: was supposed to be in your perspective, what happened when
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: Vegas was able to salt it away and go up
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: four too on the empty dinner.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 9: Yeah, well, just for rule of thumb, for goaltender pulls,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 9: the head coach is the one that decides when the
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 9: goaltender is pulled, and usually the whistle prior. When it's
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 9: late in the game you know you're down by one,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 9: there is eye contact or a quick conversation at the
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 9: bench before the play resumes between the goalie and the
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 9: head coach, letting them know, hey, watch watch for me.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 9: I'm going to let you know when to come to
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 9: the bench. And it was one of those situations, I
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 9: think in the offensive zone where is a perfect storm.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 9: Utah had it. Andre Turney was calling for Correll of Amalca,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 9: and whether he didn't see quick enough, whether he didn't
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 9: exactly acknowledge when he had to go. It looked like
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 9: there was a little bit of hesitation and then as
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 9: soon as he left, Vegas got the puck and they
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 9: sent it all the way down. It is such a quick,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 9: bang bang play whenever you call the goaltender. Now, in
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 9: a perfect world, you get into the zone you get
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 9: set up, you have full and total control all the puck.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 9: Then you can pull your goaltender while you already have control,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 9: you get the extra skater on there. For me, I
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 9: love to see when teams are aggressive where maybe they
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 9: haven't even gained the offensive zone yet they're still in
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 9: the neutral zone, or they're breaking out. I love to
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 9: see when teams pull goaltenders that way, so you get
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 9: the extra attacker out there. It's a six on five
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 9: and that way, that extra player can help you win
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 9: a battle. They can help you get in on the
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 9: fore check and find a way to win a puck
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 9: back that way to establish the zone. But I really
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 9: think in that situation there, yeah, there was there was
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 9: clearly either a miscommunication or a little bit of hesitation
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 9: between Gerrell Vamelca and the bench. But overall it was
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 9: really the perfect storm because as soon as he was
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 9: called Utah had it, then they lost it almost instantaneously,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 9: and then the Vegas goal, the Knights were able to
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 9: gain control and send about one hundred and sixty three
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 9: foot shot into the open net.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: Can how much concern is there internally with the penalty
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: kill right now? The most impactful goal I think in
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: this game was when Vegas got the power play goal.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: They killed it all the way down to twelve seconds left.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: In the power play, but then Vegas got that power
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: play goal to grab themself a lead. And you know,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: the stats in the last whatever few games haven't been
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: excellent on the penalty kill, so is there concern there.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 8: It's at peaks and valleys.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 9: Towards the beginning of the season, the penalty kill was
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 9: towards the top of the league. Then they hit a
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 9: valley and then about midway point of the season that's
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 9: when they started to find their groove and then it
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 9: really was a bit of a roller coaster ride for
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 9: the PK this year. But you know, there have been
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 9: stretches shown where they've killed off nineteen to twenty or
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 9: they've killed off twenty three of twenty five, and that's
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 9: been a real strength. No difference from the power play,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 9: which was hum in the last ten to twelve games
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 9: of the season after going through a cold spell before that,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 9: And for the penalty kill, especially in the game last night,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 9: like special teams, that's the difference. And it didn't help
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 9: that Utah one of their top penalty killers, Alexander Kirkfoot
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 9: in the box, a guy that has been so crucial
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 9: while down a man, the way he reads the game,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 9: the way he's able to clear pucks the entire length
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 9: of the ice, but also the reads that he makes
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 9: up the ice, not allowing the opposition easy entry into
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 9: their zone. But that power play in particular for the
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 9: Vegas Gold to Knights. Honestly, Sean, there really wasn't a
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 9: ton going on. I guess there was a few saves,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 9: but on that Utah did a real nice job of
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 9: protecting the middle of the ice, and in that instance,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 9: in particular, they got stretched out, they got a little
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 9: bit overextended. Vegas was able to make one play towards
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 9: the net. It was Marner looking for a shot tip
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 9: to Thomash Hurtle at the front of the net, and
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 9: then one of the best net front goal line power
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 9: play players in the league, Mark Stone, made the difference
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 9: in the game, which which he so often does, and
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 9: that ended up tying at two to two. So adjustment wise,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 9: moving forward, I liked how they killed off the first
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 9: minute and forty plus seconds of that penalty. I think
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 9: there's a lot to light there, but this time of
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 9: the year, I think that just goes to show more
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 9: than anything that special teams can be the difference in
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 9: a game. And Utah, which I don't think they add
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 9: that many undisciplinary issues during the course of this season,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 9: but it just goes to show. You take one penalty,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 9: that's all it can be the difference, that's all it
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 9: can take, and all of a sudden, that was a
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 9: special team's difference in the hockey game.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: So what's a reasonable expectation you think for Tuesday night?
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: You know, a lot of us are novice at best
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: hockey fans, right, and you want to see adjustments made,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: But when you haven't grown up on a rink, you
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: maybe don't understand those adjustments all that. Well, it was
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: going really well for two periods and the third is
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: where the collapse happened in Vegas for Game one, What
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: should we expect in Game two of this series?
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 9: Well, I think I think some credit. Again, I know
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 9: we're all Mammoth fans here, but I think, just just
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 9: looking at it from a hockey purest point of view,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 9: you have to give some credit to the Vegas goal,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 9: the Knights for.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 8: Sticking with it.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 9: I would totally co sign your point there, Sean, and
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 9: that Utah really took it to them. They really skated
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 9: at them for two periods. But credits to the Vegas
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 9: Golden Knights. They they've got a winning pedigree. They they
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 9: want a Stanley Cup three seasons ago and in twenty
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 9: twenty three. They have some unbelievable players. They got a
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 9: goaltender Carter Hart, who was really feeling it last game,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 9: the guy that they hope is going to be their savior,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 9: considering the goltending position has been a real sore spot.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 9: But Vegas hung in there. They got some timely saves,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 9: they were able to defend just enough, They had some
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 9: real solid block shots. Their penalty kill came through with
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 9: a big time mckill. So you got to give credit
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 9: to Vegas for sitting in there and not starting to
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 9: play high risk hockey when they were down one to
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 9: nothing or when they were down two to one. They
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 9: stuck with it. They continued to play the brand of
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 9: hockey that makes them a great team that they are.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 9: And under their new head coach, John Tortorella, from the
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 9: end of the regular season into the postseason, they're eight
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 9: to zero to one and he hasn't come in and
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 9: tried to change anything systematically because it was already so
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 9: deep into the season. It's like studying for a test
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 9: and then just throwing something brand new in there. You've
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 9: already done all of your studying. Trying to cram before
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 9: the test really isn't going to do much for you. So,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 9: if anything, John Tortorella has reignited a fire within this group,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 9: and so yes, you got to give some credit to them,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 9: But for you, I think it goes back to a
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 9: couple of things we talked about. Off at the start.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 9: They played a really solid forty minutes. I think they
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 9: had a good push, especially towards the end of the
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 9: game when it was three to two, but Vegas was
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 9: just able to hold on. So trying to bypass our
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 9: pinching defenseman I think will be a real key, and
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 9: trying to allow Utah to create even more off the rush,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 9: of which I think they can be happy enough with
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 9: what they did in game one, but look for that
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 9: to play a real role in game two. But also
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 9: it's got to be more people at the front of
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 9: the net to try to make Carter Hart's life a
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 9: lot more difficult. And when you go to the front
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 9: of the net, the puck can hit off of you.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 7: And go in.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 9: It could hit the goaltender and pop right out to
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 9: you for an open net. But also just by going there,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 9: you attract defenders to come with you, and that's going
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 9: to open up a lot more space for the teammates
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 9: that are trying to patrol the offensive zone. And the
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 9: last point I will make is for as good as
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 9: the second line was of Kooley Gunther and Kyler Yamamoto,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 9: I thought lost and Kraus was a beast out there.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 9: I thought he was on a mission with nine hits
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 9: and very much involved. But I'm looking for a big
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 9: bounce back from the likes of Clayton Keller and Nick Schmaltz,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 9: guys that had a couple of looks in that game.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 9: But these are two players that can really take over,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 9: especially when they're feeling it together. One's got it, he's
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 9: looking for the other, and vice versa. Look for those
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 9: guys to have a real response in game two and
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 9: hopefully the way to a game A Game two victory
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 9: for the Mammoth in Las Vegas.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: Who's gonna fight Kegan Kolo Star before the series is over?
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 9: Nick, there's a couple of tough customers on this Mammoth roster,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 9: and we'll have to see if you know, is there
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 9: going to be any lineup changes. Is Leam O'Brien going
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 9: to draw back into the lineup. But Utah's got their
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 9: their fair share of tough guys, you know, Los and
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 9: Krauss has never been shy of shedding the mits. Mackenzie
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 9: Wager on the back end, he's he's a tough customer
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 9: and he and cole he's not afraid to give a
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 9: couple of licks either.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 8: So I think those are.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 9: A couple of more than willing combatants this time of
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 9: the year. And one guy who had a little bit
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 9: of a dust up with Cookegan cole Star at the
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 9: end of last game was a guy that hadn't played
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 9: since early April, didn't even practice or skate the last
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 9: couple of weeks, and then just magically appeared into the lineup.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 9: That's big Jack McBain. He can go toe for tow
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 9: with the kid guy like Keegan Coleo Star. So we'll
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 9: see if maybe that could be a physicality and they
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 9: fits the off matchup as the series goes on.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: I thought we were going to get a little little
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: extra curricular with Kolosar and Sergachev.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: After the game had gone final.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: Half, the guys are skating to the off the eye,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: so they're heading to the dressing room, and those two
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: were still holding on in John back and forth.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 9: Sending a message. Sean.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 8: That's the key.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 9: Whether you win the first game or lose the first game,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 9: you're trying to send a message and let the opposition
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 9: know that. Yeah, some guys are saying I'm coming for you.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 9: Other guys say you better keep your head up. That's
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 9: what makes playoff hockey so great because it's all about
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 9: trying to take every inch of ice that you possibly can,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 9: and certainly each one of these guys is doing their
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 9: best to inflict physically or verbally.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: I know we got to let you go, but before
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: we do, we're not going to have a chance to
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: talk to you before Friday. And that is the first
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: playoff hockey game hosted at the Delta Center.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: Very much looking forward to it.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: I know the atmosphere is going to be electric, but
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: just just give me your expectations for what that moment
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: is going to be, like puck drops on playoff hockey
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: on home ice for the first time for this franchise
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: that has been such an incredible addition to our sports
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: community here in Utah.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 9: Two part sean, First, it's going to be unbelievable, and second,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 9: I don't know how unbelievable it's going to be, and
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 9: that's the exciting part. Sellouts consistently at the Delta Center
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 9: this year. I happen to live right downtown. Whether I'm
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 9: at the grocery store, whether I'm at the gas station,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 9: the barbershop, there's people talking hockey all around town. There's
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 9: people wearing the merchandise, there's folks with the jerseys, there's
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 9: kids with the Tusky plush. She's like, I'm so proud
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 9: to be a very small part of an organization that
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 9: has that has done so much for this community. And look,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 9: at the end of the day, none of this is
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 9: possible without both Ryan and Ashley Smith, who brought the
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 9: National Hockey League here to Utah and very clearly off
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 9: the rip did not see this as an asset for them.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 9: It's a gift and an asset for the community. And
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 9: I think Mammoth Nation has done an unbelievable job of
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 9: being inclusive to let new fans come in. And yes,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 9: there's a lot of older hockey fans as well that
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 9: have a lot of experience watching hockey, or maybe transplants
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 9: that are here that that are new Mammoth fans that
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 9: are formerly fans of other teams. And to me, there's
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 9: there's nothing better than playoff hockey. And so for everybody
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 9: to be able to get a taste of what the
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 9: National Hockey League playoffs and Stanley Cup playoffs are like,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 9: that's exactly what I'm most excited for about these fans.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 9: And I'm pumped to see the traditions that we come
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 9: up with. I can't wait to see the face paint,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 9: the body paint, the people dressed as as Mamo's like
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 9: Halloween costumes, and and if the pomp and the circumstance
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 9: of the pregame festivities that are going to be taking
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 9: place on the seat Geek Plaza right out front of
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 9: the Delta Center, Like this is It's the best time
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 9: of the year, and I'm so excited to share it
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 9: with with our unbelievable fans. Because I know I'm biased
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 9: in saying that. Well, I've been playing hockey since I
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 9: was three years old. It's given me everything that I have,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 9: and so I know everything that this amazing sport that
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 9: can provide for people and outlet a distraction, something to
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 9: come together for and with and to support. I think
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 9: Utah has done it right from the very beginning, and
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 9: that Game three, no matter how Game two goes, that place.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 8: Is going to be rocking.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 9: It is going to be intimidating, an intense atmosphere for
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 9: the Vegas Golden Knights to be in. And I don't
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 9: even need to say Utah needs to show up because
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 9: they have showed up since day one. I just can't
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 9: wait to see them show out at Game three at
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 9: the Delta Center.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: We're growing into being a hockey town and I don't
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: care how long it's going to take.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: I got young kids.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: I'm excited that it's hard to find space and these
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: sign ups. You can't get your kids in the hockey.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: That's how popular it is. Right now, I move on.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 9: You're going to continue to grow, Sean, It's only going
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 9: to continue to grow. And I can say with pleak
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 9: confidence and certainty that this place is a hockey town
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 9: and all you need to do is is just walk
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 9: around town and it's it's very obvious no matter where
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 9: you're at.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: Nigg.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: I moved here when I was nine years old from
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: Saint Paul, Minnesota, and that was nineteen ninety three. Nineteen
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: ninety two is when I moved here and there was
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: one ice sheet that you could get on and there
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: was no hockey. We were not There was no hockey
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: culture here, and coming from Minnesota to that was crazy.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: And the fact that now we're.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: Becoming what we're becoming when I'm in my forties, I
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: never would have thought it was going to happen here,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: But like you said, Ryan and Ashley Smith made it possible,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: and the way that the community has embraced it, it's
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: been really, really incredible, and obviously you've been a massive
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: part of it, as you know, the guy that we
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: here translating what we see on the ice for the
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: average sports fans.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: So keep up the great work.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining me today and hopefully
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: we'll see you Friday night.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 8: Sean.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 9: It's it's my pleasure. There's there's nothing more I love
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 9: doing than being able to entertain and inform and then
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 9: hopefully we've done that for all of our incredible fans
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 9: out there today, not just seeing playoff game number one,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 9: but all of last season and the regular season to
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 9: this point. There's nothing better than when a fan comes
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 9: up and says, hey, we learned something from the broadcast,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 9: Because that there's nothing that makes us feel better. So
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 9: at the end of the day, the boys on the
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 9: ice are are getting the job done. The team's getting
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 9: the job done in the community, and it's an honor.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 9: It's a pleasure and an absolute thrill to be able
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 9: to call Utah home and be part of something very
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 9: special here with the Utah Mamma. So same do you, Sean,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 9: keep up the great work. And all I will say
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 9: is for everybody during these playoff ride run just buckle
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 9: up because Game one wasn't anything compared to probably what
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 9: games two, three, four, and who knows, maybe more than
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 9: that are going to be.
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  Speaker 2: was looking at the mass Exodus. I was looking at
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: Keanu Dawes going to Kansas. He also, by the way,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: is going to test out the NBA draft waters And
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: obviously we all watched what Utah basketball was this last season,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: and it was like all right.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: I know that there's a plan.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: I know that there's a vision, but whatever that is,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: we're not seeing it on the floor right now. Now
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: you're getting, I think, some clarity in the recruiting. I
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: think there's more defensive minded players coming in in the recruiting.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: I think that this European slash international pipeline is going
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: to be massively important for Utah. And I don't think
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: there's any coincidence there. When Alex Jensen was a player
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: and when his legendary coach Rick Majeris was forming the
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: foundations of running utes basketball, they were already tapping into
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: that pipeline that it took several other teams a lot
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: longer to find. So cautiously optimistic, but some production coming
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: in and yeah you want talent, Yeah you want raw bodies,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah you want the aj debances of the world. Not
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: realistic right now. So you're bringing in guys who have
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: production against big time competition. And I'm not gonna hate
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: on any of it. We'll see what it looks like.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to gas you up and tell you
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: that the this is the savior or saviors of the
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: program and suddenly you're gonna beat the Arizonas and Byus
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: and Kansases of the world. But I like the resumes
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: that they are bringing in. And obviously this coaching staff
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: now is a full coaching staff, a full recruiting staff.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: They're not slapping it all together like they were last year.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: As remember there was like a one week process of
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: him getting the job and then having to put a
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: recruiting class together.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: This is more thought out, this is more crafted.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: So I like what we're seeing this far from Alex
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: Jensen and his staff.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think TJ.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: Birch in particular addresses like a huge need that we
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: saw from the running utes last season. They just they
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: didn't really guard right, particularly on the perimeter. They were
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: small and two is another big need. They're a little
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: bit too small, didn't have a lot of big men.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: But like they addressed kind of both those things with
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: Goma some size. With Goma, he's not the tallest guy,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: but he's some He gives you some size and hopefully
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: some physicality. And he's got i think three years of
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: eligibility left, so they addressed it with that.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: And then TJ.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: Birch, I mean bringing in a defensive Player of the
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: Year to yes a mid major conference, but a defensive
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: player of the year out on the perimeter should be
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: it should lead to a lot of improvement on that
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: side of the ball.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: That's the hope, and again we'll see what the actual
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: product looks like. But when you bring in somebody like
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: that on a basketball team, especially right, tone setters are important,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: even in a massive roster like football teams, when you
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: bring in somebody who is defensive minded, it changes the
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: way the practices are run. Like it's not just the
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: coaching staff blowing whistles and screaming their heads off about
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: getting back and about guarding and about closing out right.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: If you have players that do that, other players are
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: to be expected by their teammates to do it, and
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: they're gonna have that example to follow. It's gonna be
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: that almost subconscious effect. So I like what we're seeing here.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: And don't forget the five minute wonder from from the
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: BYU game at the Huntsman Center last year. Lucas long Areta.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: He's back and hopefully healthy for more than about five
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: minutes of play. It was a spectacular little stint he
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: had against by U. Unfortunately had to leave the game
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: and didn't play again the rest of the season because
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 4: of injury.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: So you got that.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: European pro that's coming back on the team next year presumably.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: And then you're adding, you know it, knock on wood
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: that the draft doesn't It sounds weird to say that,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: hopefully the draft doesn't work out for Yako so that
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: he plays for Utah next year.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: I have to sneak this in because we're gonna spend
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: most of the week keeping disgusting praise on the Ohio
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: State Buckeyes football program because it's NFL Draft week and
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: the first round and all rounds of the draft are.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: Gonna be populated with I thought that program's really awesome,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: so that makes sense.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: Well, apparently they're not awesome in their equipment program. Did
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: you hear about this?
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 5: You set me up for that now I missed this.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: Jackson Smith and Jigba, he was played by hamstring issues
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: when he was at Ohio State.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: Remember that that's true.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: He really only had the one year unfortunately, the one
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: they carved up the utes in the Rose Bowl.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: You know, they figured out why. The Seattle Seahawks figured
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: out why that happened. The Buckeyes were giving him the
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: wrong size shoe.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 5: To wear, jam are you serious?
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: He wore a size twelve cleat when he was at
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: Ohio State.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: Nothing to see hero, see this here.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: Seattle has been using high tech body scans to make
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: sure that helmets, shoulder pads, and even cleats are properly
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: fitted for their players. Guess what size cleat the now
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: hamstring problem free? Jackson Smith and Jigba is wearing the
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: NFL after wearing a size twelve at Ohio State.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 8: It can't.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: It's not gonna be something crazy like ten, is it?
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: It's ten and a half. Oh my gosh, he's wearing
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: a ten and a half, so you shouldn't need a
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: body scan high ten body scan.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: I know what someone sizes.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: Obviously, I'm enjoying using this opportunity to drag Ohio State.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: But really, Jackson Smith and Jigba, what are you doing?
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: How did you not say, hey, these are a little big.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: You're enough of a player to be like, my shoes
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: are kind of wobbling or my feet are wabbling around
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: in these shoes?
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: Can I get something smaller? Like? You're not some scrub
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: walk on? Who's like, can I please have one pair
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: of cleats?
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: You're like, no, get out of here that you had
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: to accept three sizes too big stuff.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: You guess when that's who you were. Guess what shoes?
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: Not when I went to Weaber, but guess what shoes
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: I wore when I was at the University of Utah.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: What's your actual shoes?
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: I wear size twelve and I had but the Utah
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: cleats that were available to the crappy walk ons like myself.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: The rest of the cleats like they were kicker cleats. Basically,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: they were like soccer cleats, like here you can have these.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: I wore my high school cleats. Did you yeah?
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: Better than what Utah? Again?
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 5: Yes?
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: So what size would would you have worn if you
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: were the Utah cleats?
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean they were I would have worn a twelve.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: But they were like slippers with cleats on the bottom
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: of them. Because they wouldn't give like you had to
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: get a starter to go grab you gloves like football gloves,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: be like, hey, will you go ask for another pair
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: of gloves.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 5: Because they would they wouldn't listen to you.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: Because the equipment staff had been instructed like.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: They don't get anything, don't give these guys anything. So
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: they were just like, uh, so you would have to
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: get like you have to be friend like a spencer
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: tune and be like hey, or like get a weddle, Hey,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: could you grab me a pair of gloves?
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: And of course that's from an era.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: Where those guys weren't getting what they get now either, right, yeah,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: soon If you were a starter, you had one helmet,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: you had one game. Jersey had one game, pair of pants.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: So it's not like they were just like, yeah, give
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: me ten pairs of gloves. So those guys were like, wait,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: I can get a second pair of gloves, and you
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: want me to give it to you.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: So it's like it's not easy, like okay, ask for
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: two more pairs.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: I just don't.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: Understand how this happened with Jackson Smith and Jigba at Ohio.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: State, by the way, at the beginning of the nil era.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 4: So this was not even like old Guard. This wasn't
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: even old guard, like you're you're not a air quotes,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: not allowed to get paid, you're of college football. This
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: was this was brave New world. The beginning of an Iley.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: Ohio State lawsuit incoming from Jackie Smith and Jigba because
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: you had to wearing the wrong size shoes morons.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: Also, I can't get over that they they use full
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: high tech body scan to find what size people are, Like,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: what do you you know?
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: You can't the.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: High tech process I've gone through to make sure what
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: size of shoes I should wear.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: I try on shoes.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: I've I'm wholly ignorant of how you know what size
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: of pads to wear and all that stuff. Didn't play football,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: But I gotta think that's not that different than trying
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: on a pair of shoes.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: Every every kid whoever played little league football. You go
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: down and there's that musty, stinky room full of old pads,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: and you put them on, and you're like, these are
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: too big, these these fit pretty good.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: And they're like all right, you take those, slap you
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: on the shoulder. This one's little too big, too small.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: You have somebody's like overweight dad, huffing and puffing and
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: sweating in that equipment box, and he puts a pair
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: on pus shoulder pads on you. He balls up his fists,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: he slaps you on both shoulders and if they move
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: too much up, those are too big, and you take
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: them off, and then he puts some more on up
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: those are too small, and you put on the ones
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: that are just right, bang bang bang on the shoulders.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: All right, that's good, and then you're there and tackle
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: somebody care and then you go you figure out how
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: to boil a mouthpiece. I mean, these are all rights
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: of passage. They're not something that happens when you're at
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: Ohio State, okay, And they're not something you need to
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: spend probably millions of dollars on to find the correct
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: size for people. I don't know, I feel like I
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: feel like the body scan might be a little waste
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: of money for the Seahawks, but whatever, well they've got
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: it's fine. And why do I care about the Seahawks?
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: We hate them. So I don't know if anybody watched
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: WrestleMania this weekend. WrestleMania had two back to back nights
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: in Vegas, and obviously you've got playoff hockey happening in
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: Vegas right now.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: Well, I guess it's probably it's always a zoo in Vegas,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 4: but it was probably like probably.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 5: Some nightmare then like a million.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: So I'm not a pro wrestling guy, like I can
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: appreciate the athleticism it takes, the performative talent it takes
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: to become a star in that field. You can't get
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: me to sit down and watch a lot of it.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: It's just not my bag. It's fine. And a lot
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: of people are dragging this year's WrestleMania saying that it
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: was bad, saying it was soulless, the weird thing here.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: So brock Lesner, who obviously was a real athlete in
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: multiple sports. Brock Lesner collegiate national champion and All American
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: at the University of Minnesota, almost made the Vikings roster,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: became a UFC champion, right, and he's a huge WWE
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: wrestling star. He took off his shoes and he's wearing gloves.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know why for WrestleMania. He took off his
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: shoes and gloves and left him the ring, which is
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: usually indicative in wrestling. You take off your wrestling shoes,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: you leave him on the mat, that's retiring.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: Do we care?
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: It's brock Lesner, like he was a real athlete. And
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: this might be the end of brock Lesner's public life.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: He's always been kind of like a recluse. He goes
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: out and he circles back into orbit, and then he
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: goes out and he disappears for a while and then
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe he just needs more money, or
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: maybe he likes doing five or six shows a year,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: and then he comes back and oh, brock Lesner's back.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: But it seems like brock Lesner retired.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: Is that something that the sporting world, like I should
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: be talking about on a sports talk radio show.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: It's brock Lesner.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's a bigger deal. It was
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: a bigger deal when he retired from MMA in my opinion, Okay,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: because it's real sports for one, but also because he
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 4: was I mean, we talked about phenomenons in sports in
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: various sports, and you you correctly identified Connor McGregor as
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: the one for MMA. But before Connor McGregor, for a
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 4: minute there, it was brock Lesnar. Like he was this
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: beast of a man who came from the wrestling world
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: and was kicking people's you know what in in the octagon.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: And so I I think it's a bigger deal when
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: he stopped doing that. But also that was years after
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 4: he was a phenomenon. So I don't know.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know either.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: So and brock Lesner might have retired maybe or maybe
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: this could just be setting up a future storyline. I mean,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: some of these guys wrestle until they're like eighty.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: So I mean, how about our guy, our guy on
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 4: the ute utes broadcast, who's still still doing his thing? Sorry,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: I blank ape, my mind's going blank here. But our
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: our favorite heel, our favorite heel and what from the
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 4: wrestling world locally here Matt Rope was there? You go, oh,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: he's still going right, He's not not eighty.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: You had me thinking of like an.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: Old Sorry that that's terrible framing.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: He's not that old, but he's not a he's not
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: a spring chicken either. Still doing his thing. I mean
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: pro wrestling is, it's its own wild thing. And it's
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: like Pat McAfee did his show today wearing a neck
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: brace from from WrestleMania.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: He's not actually hurt.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he's not actually hurt, just part of the bit,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: I guess. And he's he's loved it. He's done a
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: great job in it. And they, I mean, they were
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: talking more about WrestleMania on his shows last year than
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: they were talking about like the NFL, and they were
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: talking about draft coming up. It's an odd deal, but anyway,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: I put a put I put a poll out whether
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: WrestleMania is something that people watch and should have be
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: covered like a prop and eighty five percent of people
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: said no. So I'm comfortable in saying we're fine there.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: I think people watch it.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 4: I just don't I think that even the people who
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 4: watch it religiously, I think that there's enough of a
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: split that say it. It's a great entertainment. But now
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 4: it should not be covered like it's a real sporting event.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: It's kind of it was Dan Patrick brought this up.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 4: He's like, it's just you shouldn't be breaking new ESPN
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: should not be breaking news on Sports Center about WrestleMania
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 4: and asking questions and interviews like what do you think
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 4: is gonna happen on Saturday. It's like he knows what's
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 4: gonna happen because it's not real, Like I don't know.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: It's entertainment, not sports. Sorry, have you ever heard the
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 4: term pace shaming?
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: I have not.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: All Right, well, we're gonna bring some obnoxious political correctness
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: to your awareness today here on the Sean O'Connell show
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: during the Daily Dump, so, Nike had a Boston Marathon
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: ad that said runners welcome, walkers tolerated. Ok, they have
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: a flagship store in Boston. I've been to this store.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: It's a great store. It's a beautiful store, multi level store.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: They get exclusives there that you can only buy at
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: the Boston Nike store.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: It's like, it's awesome. Okay.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: It's on Newbury Street we would say Newberry Street, and
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: in conjunction with the marathon, they put this big ad
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: out front. Runners Welcome, Walker's Tolerated. People will do anything.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: To be offended. They will.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: People can find offense in even the most innocuous and
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: silly of places. Obviously, you're supposed to run a marathon. Okay,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: we all know this.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: Everyone who is.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: Involved in a marathon knows this. Runners Welcome Walker's Tolerated.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: If you have a walk during the marathon, I'm not
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: gonna shame you. Go ahead and walk, just finish. It's funny.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: It's tongue in cheek. Protests, people getting mad, hate mail.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: Nike cowtows to it and pull the ad on the
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: front of their Boston marathon store. Runners Welcome Walker's Tolerated.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: Andy Bernard really mad right now. He says he walked
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: three marathons.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: Please, what are we doing? And then this is the
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: worst part.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: They replaced it with a new ad that says, Boston
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: will always remind you movement is what matters.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: That that's so much catchier than what they had before.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: So here's here's my mental picture of this.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, you have a normal person working in your advertising
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: department and they're just like, okay, give me your Boston
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: Marathon special ad.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: We're only gonna run it for a week.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: And there's like, uh, runners, welcome, Walker's tolerated, and everyone.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: Has a laugh.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: Aha, Okay, good, let's put it out there. And then
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: you get the hate mail. And then you go to
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: some like weird blue haired gets mad at everything, and
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: the person in the office who just complains and is
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: always sending the I'd like to remind everyone that if
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: you're using scented soaps at home, it's really causing irritation
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: for some of us. And by the way, don't use
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: the microwave if you're gonna have cheese products, because I'm
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: lactose and tolerant. You find that person and you say,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: all right, we need an ad that would not offend you.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: And then that person comes with the up with the ad,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: and that's what they put on the flagship store in Boston.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: Stop doing this, Corporate America. First of all, stop doing
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: this complainers of America, and then stop doing the response thing.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: Corporate America. Nike, just be like it's a joke.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: Anyone who completes the marathon, anyone who participates in the
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: American in the marathon, has our admiration.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: We're Nike.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: Good job, guys, and we are now introduced to a new,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: brand new, completely out of left field term pace shaming.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: Here's what I'm gonna do the Salt Lake City Marathon.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: I think it's this weekend. By the way, Salt Lake
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: Marathon goes down a street in my neighborhood. I used
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: to live on this street. I no longer do. It
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: was I would sit out in a lawn chair cheering
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: on the runners. I would sit my dog there. We'd
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: have a good time. It's been like an hour just
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: clapping for people. Now I'm gonna I'm gonna go out
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: there and I'm gonna pay shame anyone who's walking, because
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: we now have a new pace shaming lexicon.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 4: How about a how about a poster that says you're
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: tolerated walkers walk also tolerated with the Nike with your
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: own hand drawn Nike swoosh.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: By the way, the winner the women's race two hours,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: eighteen minutes, fifty one seconds.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 5: Okay, that's.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: That's so crazy. That can't be that can't be real.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: That is so fast.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: A guy named Marcel Hug, which is just phenomenal name one,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: is ninth and fourth Boston Marathon in a roll, and
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: he broke his own course.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: Record by thirty three seconds.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 8: Go Hug.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: I did not know that the Boston Marathon official logo
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: was a unicorn either. I didn't know that either.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 4: I just knew it and they it was the red,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: and I knew the color scheme, the blue and yellow.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 4: Excuse me, I don't know why you said red, blue
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 4: and yellow color scheme. That's really all I knew about it.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: So we should have the winner.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: Ask them, do you tolerate walkers or do you only
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: welcome runners? Start creating a little divisiveness in the marathon community.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: Congrats to anyone who's ever completed a marathon, walking, running, wheeling, dancing,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: whatever you've done.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: That's a twenty six point two miles is the heck
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: of a thing.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 5: Dancing a marathon just have.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 4: A please, please, for the love flipping you know, doing
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: some cartwheels somersaulting.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: Why not.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: Just have a sense of humor about the Nike ads please?
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: All right, uh, we'll double up here. Dan Sorenson is
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: gonna join us, but before I take a break, we
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: have a round of golf to give away in the
• 1:44:42
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• 1:44:47
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• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: by a Utah Mammoth player was scored last night by
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: Hoom who got credit for the first goal. Eight seven
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: seven three five three zero seven hundred. Tell me who
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: that is. We'll give you a free round to Lakeside.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: Dan Sorenson of Ute Zone joins us next on the
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: Shan O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred ninety TWOEFL.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: God, you were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show, your
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: source for the best youtes football copey. Here's oc from
• 1:45:22
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• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: two to one.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: A f am, Oh, welcome to our number three. Welcome
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: in Dan Sorenson, kind enough to join us to talk
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: a little utes. Spring football is a rap instead of
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: a spring game. This past Saturday, they had a twenty
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: two Forever fan event.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 9: Uh.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: Fun for the kids.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it was fun for everyone else
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: because there was a long line for the autographs. But
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: people seem to be happy and good spirits waiting there.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: Dan Sorenson, how are.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: You doing well?
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: How's it going?
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, c I'm doing all right. Man. It's good to
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: have you back on the show. It's been a while.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: So before we get to any meaningful football conversation, how
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: do you think the Saturday fan event versus Spring game
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: comparison is going to be handled processed by Utah fans.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean that's a good question. I was there
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 11: on Saturday checking things out. People that were in attendance
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 11: seem pretty excited. I love the kids Zone thing with
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 11: letting the kids run around and jump on, tackling dummies
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 11: and that sort of thing. If you have a family,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 11: if you've got kids, like that's ideal, way better than
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 11: the spring game. I get why they changed it, wanting
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 11: the extra practice, wanting to limit contact, limit injuries, that
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 11: sort of thing. From the message board at you Zone,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 11: it's probably fifty to fifty in terms of people that
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 11: are missing the spring game and wish that they'd seen
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 11: it and love to sit in the stands and get
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 11: some sort of a glimpse of football in the long offseason,
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 11: versus the people that liked to engage with the players
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 11: and engage with the coaches and that sort of thing.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 11: So I think it's probably going to be a pretty
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 11: healthy split. I personally liked it, but I'm not a
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 11: fan of spring games in general. So that's just me
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 11: and I don't necessarily expect people to have the same
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 11: tastes so that I do.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the actual spring practices. The
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: media observation. Morgan Scalley opened things up a little bit more,
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: especially that final two our viewing period, almost two hour
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: viewing period. And look, we know that there's some questions
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: that need answering. I think the number one for a
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: lot of people is how's the offensive line going to look?
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: So let's start there.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: Based on what you saw, based on conversations that you've had,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: and knowing the talent that they brought in, especially guys
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: like Kelvin Obot, how do you think this offensive line
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: has taken shape to this point?
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I think that they're right on schedule for where
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 11: they want to be based on what we saw and look,
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 11: we saw limited portions of practice. We saw a couple
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 11: of full sessions, only one of them full contact, so
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 11: to speak. But it's it's it's a little tough to gauge,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 11: you know that when they're doing the running game, it's
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 11: not necessarily full bore contact like you'd seen the game.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 11: We saw a lot of passing sets, so we I
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 11: think we've got a better view of how they can
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 11: handle a pass rush, how they can handle a blitz,
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 11: that sort of thing. But from what we saw, from
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 11: from what we heard from both coaches, from other players,
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 11: private conversations that I've had, I think that they're feeling
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 11: pretty confident about this line and feeling like it's going
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 11: to be better than most people will expect having to
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 11: replace those five starters. You know you mentioned Obot. He
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 11: came in. He looked really good for a true freshman
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 11: in terms of physicality and having a body that looks
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 11: ready to go. I think that obviously the game still
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 11: needs to slow down for him a little bit. It's
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 11: to be determined whether we're going to see him in
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 11: that starting lineup this fall, but I think that they
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 11: established probably seven guys that they trust, and three of
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 11: those guys we know we're going to be surefire starters
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 11: and zero A. Williams and Keith Olsen and Alex Harrison
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 11: likely at center, and then there's going to be some battles.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 11: But it was nice to see a guy like Garcia,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 11: who's been in the program a couple of years, was
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 11: heard all year last year. He looked really really good,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 11: especially towards the end of spring football, and so that
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 11: unit is coming together. They need to develop some cohesion.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 11: There's a lot of work that needs to be done
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 11: throughout May and the summer that the battles are going
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 11: to continue into fall camp in terms of who's going
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 11: to actually start. But I do think that when the
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 11: lights are on and this team takes the field, that
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 11: offensive line unit will probably be better than most fans expect.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 11: I'm not expecting them to come anywhere near what we
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 11: saw last year. I think that was a once in
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 11: a gener type of a line for Utah. But I
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 11: still think that they're going to be good enough for
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 11: this Utah offense to do some things.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: We had Kevin McGibbon on last week and he basically said,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: you know, Kelvin Obot is going to be a guard
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: this year. I mean a lot can happen between now
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: when they actually take the first snaps of live competition,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: but right now, that's where they're working him out.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 5: And he obviously was a tackle in high school, because.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: Of course, when you're built like that, you're going to
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: be and he'll be a tackle at some point in
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: his career at the University of Utah. I think it's
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: less of a physical readiness thing and more of like
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: a learning a playbook and getting used to the pace
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: of the game and things like that at this level.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: But when you see somebody like that being put inside
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: to play guard, what do you think.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 11: Look, I think it's a good idea. It's a I
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 11: think it says less about Obat and his readiness and
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 11: more about Zaraway Williams and what he's bringing to the
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 11: table is that, you know, graduate level senior, you got
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 11: the extra year of eligibility. He's had a lot of
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 11: injuries that he's dealt with throughout his whole career, but
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 11: you know, you can't coach six' eight three h five
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 11: and he looked he looked as.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 8: Solid as any lineman this.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 11: Spring and so if you've got a guy like that
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 11: at left tackle that can handle the, job and he's
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 11: got some, experience and he's he's an older guy who's
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 11: been in the program for a long. Time Kicking obot
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 11: inside is a good. Idea you want to get him a,
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 11: Reps you want to get him on the field as
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 11: much as you possibly can if you can win that starting.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 11: Spot it's about getting the best five out. There and,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 11: yeah to your, point next, Year Kelvin obot's the starting
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 11: left tackle barring anything strange, happening AND i think that
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 11: that's a great path for him in terms of what
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 11: that will look, like both not only for his personal,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 11: development but for the team as a.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: Whole, SO i mean we've probably belabored the offensive line,
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: point maybe even too much for some, people but that
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: is you, know you've got maybe all five guys will
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: get at least some opportunity for professional. Football the top
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: two of those are going to be as high as
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: first round draft, picks and it's a big thing to
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: try and replace, That like you just, mentioned beyond offensive,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: line And i've, ASKED i think all of our football
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: guests all spring about. This where else are you? Worried
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: what is the secondary? Concern if that's the right way
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: to put. It in terms of replacing talent from last.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 11: Year, YEAH i think that coming into spring there were
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 11: three main, Areas so offensive line was a number, ONE
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 11: a close second would be the defensive, line and then
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 11: third place would be cornerbacks and replacing all of the
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 11: talent that left that room in the. Offseason defensive line
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 11: definitely was a question mark heading. IN i think that
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 11: a lot of those questions got. Answered the defensive tackle
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 11: room looks, deep they look, good they look bigger than last.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 11: Year the transfers that they brought, in and Jam wallace
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 11: And lucas samsu uh uh and and And jaimie especially
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 11: those three looked. Outstanding And Carshon kafussi looks like he's
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 11: he's taken a leap poop poo was looking really good
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 11: and in in early in camp, Especially SO i think
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 11: that that defensive tackle room is going to be much
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 11: improved in what we saw a year. Ago and they've
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 11: got a lot of able bodied guys there that are
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 11: going to have a fierce, competition and that competition is
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 11: gonna gonna raise all, boats so to. Speak so uh,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 11: SO i, like what where what we're seeing at interior
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 11: defensive line edge. RUSHER i think that there's still some
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 11: questions to be. Answered we saw some really good things
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 11: out of out of a few of the guys in the,
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 11: room and and guys that uh that where where you
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 11: would expect uh to see a lot of. Progress Lance.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 11: Holtzklaw you, know he's a. Senior he was in the
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 11: defense last. Year he was coming along nicely towards the
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 11: end of the. Year he's a guy that we expect
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 11: to be out there a. Lot he looked good this.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 11: Spring dilan looks like he's really close to making that.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 11: Leap and we've been hearing about him for the last
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 11: couple of years about how coaches have very very high
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 11: expectations of, him and he's a guy that you once
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 11: that light bulb really goes on for, him he could
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 11: be a, force and maybe Even John Henry daily type of.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 11: Force but he's got to put it, together and he
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 11: looks like he's close. THERE i think he had a
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 11: pretty solid, spring and then of course ethan day that
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 11: the transfer out Of North, texas he looked really good as.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 11: Well he's got a great, motor looks like a good,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 11: leader a good culture. Fit so they've got those three
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 11: at defensive. End there's others that are fighting for it
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 11: to get on the field and be part of that.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 11: Rotation but, OVERALL v lines looking pretty good and the
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 11: cornerback ROOM i think is going to surprise some people as.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 11: Well lots of new. Faces basically the only people that
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 11: we saw last year really Were Scooby, davis who we
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 11: know what he can bring to the, table and then
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 11: maybe a little bit OF. J. C hart as a,
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 11: backup And Rock caldwell is a, backup and beyond that
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 11: it's all new. Faces but we saw some really good,
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 11: things some really excellent progress throughout the course of the.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 11: Spring the biggest, thing and Shrief shaw brought this up
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 11: in his media, availability is they got to learn how
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 11: to defend and be physical without being too, physical without
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 11: grabbing too, much so watching for THE pi and if
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 11: they can get that cleaned, up they can be a
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 11: pretty solid.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 8: Group who are the.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: Top three linebackers going to?
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: BE i feel like you might be embarrassed for choice
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: here BECAUSE i like What i've seen from that, group
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: and obviously you've Got john Too hall, back BUT i
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: wanted your perspective on who you think the top three
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: linebackers are technically your base is still a four to
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: three even though opposing offenses forced you into nickel packages
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: more often than. That but if you had to start
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: three guys right, now who to be right?
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 11: Now JOHN. W hall of, course he looks like he's
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 11: gonna have a big. Year i'm a Big Tray reynolds.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 11: FAN i think that he played really really well down
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 11: the stretch last. Year we saw his reps go up
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 11: as a season. Progressed he's going to be in there
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 11: as a starter once. Again another senior that can get
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 11: out and get it done and be a. Leader the third,
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 11: GUY i think is really where the question mark. IS
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 11: i think it's going to Be Cyrus, polu the. Sophomore
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 11: he was a four star recruit coming into to campus last.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 11: Year he saw reps on the field as a true.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 11: Freshman he looked outstanding the. Spring just a high motor.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 11: Guy ability to rush the, passer ability to drop into.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 11: Coverage he's getting, smarter he's, physical he looks really really.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 11: Good you can't Discount Eliza, ellis WHO i think we're
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 11: going to see a lot of as. Well and between those,
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 11: TWO i think that they're probably the ones that are
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 11: going to battle for that third spot and we might
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 11: see a lot Of Taystan. Reid we saw a lot
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 11: more of him towards the end of spring than than
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 11: we did in the. Beginning BUT i think that he's
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 11: a guy that could be a rotation. Guy but, yeah
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 11: to your, point there's a lot of great, choices and
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 11: really love what they, have especially with the senior. Leadership but,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 11: man Cyrus, polu IF i had to pick a kind
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 11: of a dark horse breakout player for The utes this,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 11: fall that maybe the casual fan doesn't know he's the.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: Guy this is the first YEAR i can remember where
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: we don't come into well springball and then into fall
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: camp saying who's going to catch? Passes who's going to
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: be the thread on the? Edge feels like that, problem
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: if you want to call, it that has been addressed
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: with the transfers for the most. Part But i'm gonna
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: you can revise this answer when we talk in the.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: Fall but based on what you saw in, spring who
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: will the leading receiver for This utah football team be
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: in the?
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 5: Fall?
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 8: Man that is.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 11: Tough, look the ridiculous fan in me Wants utah's leading
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 11: receiver to be semi. Talonga but that's not. Realistic, no
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 11: that's THE ncaa football on your xbox type of a. Thing,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 11: really it look they've got. It looks like it's going
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 11: to be an embarrassment of riches at the wide receiver.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 11: POSITION i don't think That i'd ever THOUGHT i would
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 11: say that sentence when talking about the, youths and frankly
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 11: not even about this Year's utah. Team but to your,
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 11: point they did a great job in the. Portal Braden
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 11: pagan From Utah state looked, really really, Solid, Larry i'm.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 11: Sorry Ricky johnson From Mississippi state is a guy that
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 11: over and over and over again you would ask about
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 11: who's standing out from the, receivers and he's a guy
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 11: or who's hardest to cover that sort of, thing and
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 11: he's a guy whose name came up a. LOT i
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 11: think he's going to do some things and some pride
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 11: and surprise some people this. Year and Then Kyrie scholz
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 11: shows great, burst he tremendous, talent great body. Control so
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 11: those three RECEIVERS i think are definitely going to be in.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 5: The mix of all of. Them man leading.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 11: RECEIVER i, MEAN i Guess pagan because he's a guy
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 11: that's that's put up an eight hundred yard plus season
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 11: and nobody else really has done that. Yet and but
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 11: there are going to be a lot of guys that's
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 11: that are going to be out there to be able
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 11: to catch. Passes Creed witmore looked, really really, good vastly
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 11: improve the. Spring Nate johnson looked vastly improved the. Spring Larry,
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 11: simmons he's a senior, now and he you, know he
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 11: came on strong at the end of the year and
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 11: and loved what he. Did and he was a guy
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 11: that once again he's reliable and you can trust. Him
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 11: so there are a lot of guys that they're going
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 11: to get in that. Rotation there's only one FOOTBALL i
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 11: don't necessarily Think utah is going to have a thousand yard,
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 11: receiver and that's mostly because they've got so much. TALENT
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 11: i don't think it's going to be just one guy
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 11: that's going to be the breakout. Guy but But pagan
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 11: is the guy THAT i WOULD i would guess is
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 11: going to be your.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 3: Leader how are they going to Use Hunter. Andrews this
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: was a question last.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: Year it was, like, yeah he's a he's a running,
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: back but he's also a tight, end but he's also.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: Just a slot, receiver but we could use him.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: Defensively, also what are they going to do With Hunter
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: andrews healthy version of him can be a massive weapon
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: for this.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 11: Team AND i think that that's the, key right is
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 11: how healthy is he going to? Be is he going
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 11: to have that same elite speed that he had pre
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 11: injury last? Year and and there's a lot that they
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 11: can do with him if that's the. Case you, know
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 11: they can run him out into the slot as in
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 11: kind of a Brand keithy type of role that he
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 11: made so many big plays for The utes doing. That
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 11: he can play a little bit with his hand in the.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 11: Ground he's not as big as some of the other tight,
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 11: ends but he can do. It they can you, know
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 11: run that orbit motion and hand the ball off to,
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 11: him and we saw him make big plays early last
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 11: year doing, that and AND i think that we're going
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 11: to see more of the same provided he is healthy
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 11: and he'll be out. There he's just too dynamic of
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 11: an athlete to not be out. There going to see
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 11: him a ton this, spring but he's they're bringing them along.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 11: Slowly the fact that he was in pads that he's
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 11: taking some, contact that he's playing football again is a
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 11: massively huge sign for this.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 8: Team and that.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 11: Tight end room is going to be really, interesting just
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 11: because they've got Basically Hunter, andrews who's the athletic freak
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 11: and the. Outlier then they've got their traditional guys Like Noah,
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 11: banny who looked, really really, good and then you've, got
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 11: of course The, rhinos who are going to be everybody's.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 11: Favorite and you, Know Semi talanga might be the most
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 11: popular guy in all of college football right now based
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 11: on The twitter. Highlights so it's going to be interesting
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 11: to see how they use that. GROUP i think that
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 11: tight end's still going to be an important part of this,
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 11: offense and we're going to see a lot of you,
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 11: know one tight, end two tight end, sets and how
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 11: it's all going to play out is, frankly it's a
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 11: good problem to have for coach.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 3: McGibbon i have a.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: PREDICTION i probably shouldn't throw it out here, yet BUT
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: i repeat myself all the time on the, show so you'll.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 3: Hear it again in the.
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: Fall we have been pining for a pass first, story
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: a truly Balanced utah offense for, years AND i THINK
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: a big reason for that is because you've had a
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: deficiency in the passing game and you, know pretty reliable run.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: Game the potential for things to switch and for the
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: run game to be less prevalent because of scheme or
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: because of personnel or. WHATEVER i think we'll Make utah
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: fans immediately start.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 3: Complaining like we need to run the ball. More run
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 3: the ball, more run the ball, more even.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: Though for years it's been passed the, ball more past
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: the ball. More, So kevin mcgiven has a tough task
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 2: in front of him because he's got to replace the
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 2: top five rushing offense in the, country and he's got
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: to do it while also delivering on you, know the
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: potential of these two, quarterbacks not just, one but two
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks utilizing a wide receiver room that we already just talked.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: About is this an offense that can do those? Things
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: can you check those? Boxes will this be?
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 8: Balanced you?
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 11: KNOW i think that they. WILL i think that you,
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 11: know last, year look it. Was it was a better
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 11: passing offense than it probably should have, been just given
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 11: that it wasn't a particularly strong wide receiver room last.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 11: Year and, frankly they ran the ball so, effectively but they,
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 11: still you, know they had three hundred and seventy three.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 11: Attempts they passed it for twenty eight hundred yards last,
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 11: year twenty seven, touchdowns five. INTERCEPTIONS i think that that's
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 11: a solid, baseline and having at least that as an
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 11: expectation this year is not. Unreasonable you, know twenty eight
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 11: hundred to thirty two hundred yards. PASSING i expect a slight.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 11: UPTICK i think people that are expecting a purely passed
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 11: happy offense will be. Disappointed and Then Frankly scalley talked about.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 11: That you, know he he corrected it a couple of
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 11: times where you, know somebody would basically make that insinuation
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 11: and ask him a. Question he's, like where DID i
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 11: ever say? That and so they've got the tools to
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 11: throw the ball more to be a little bit more.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 11: Balanced the nice thing is that they've got a really
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 11: strong running back. ROOM i think a lot of it's
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 11: just going to be dependent on on the offensive line
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 11: and where their strengths play. Out so if they're better
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 11: at run, blocking if they're able to get out get
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 11: down the, field if if they need to use the
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 11: jumbo package more, often and and and they're able to
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 11: throw out of. It you, know what does that look?
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 11: Like or if the offensive line is just better past
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 11: pass in past protection and and maybe they struggle and run.
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 11: BLOCKING i think that that's going to determine a lot
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 11: of what you see from a statistical. Perspective but it
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 11: looks right now like they've got the tools that they
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 11: can absolutely be, balanced and we can we can see
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 11: them relying on the passing game a little bit. MORE
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 11: i think either, Way scaley doesn't care as long as
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 11: he's getting explosive plays and they're converting zone opportunities into.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 11: Touchdowns and, frankly that was what the team was so
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 11: good at last, year and SO i don't think it's
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 11: unreasonable to expect something similar this, year despite the fact
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 11: that the line is a big question.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 3: Mark what are special team is going to look?
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 11: Like that's a great. Question that's one the one thing
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 11: that we really didn't see a lot of in the,
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 11: spring and you, know we. Look we Know Dylan curtis
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 11: came in as An All american kicker and a national
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 11: record breaker in many, ways and he had a decent freshman.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 11: SEASON i think that he would he would have liked
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 11: the youths to use him more often That whittingham definitely
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 11: went against the kicking game in several, games and so
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 11: we maybe didn't see everything that we might have from
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 11: him last. Year and so my expectation is that if he's,
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 11: healthy that we're going to see him a lot fall
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 11: and he should be a reliable kicker for the. Utes
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 11: they've Got Ryan phillips back as the, punter and so the,
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 11: SPECIALISTS i think that they're a fairly known commodity and
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 11: we should expect to see what we saw last, year
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 11: maybe a slight uptick in terms of their production based
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 11: on just experience coming into a new season and being
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 11: ready for from a return or, perspective and who's going
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 11: to return punts and who's capable of that and who's
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 11: going to return kick off that sort of. Thing it's
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 11: a good, question you, know there are a lot of different.
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 11: Candidates bray is a guy THAT i think could do
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 11: some interesting things in the return. Game Kyrie sholz is
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 11: a guy that can do some interesting, things and SO
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 11: i think that they've got playmakers that should be able
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 11: to be pretty solid in those. Roles but but, yeah
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 11: special teams absolutely question mark and really it's going to
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 11: be one of the interesting things about The scally. Era
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 11: for so long Under, Whittingham utah was so good at special,
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 11: teams and not just with the, specialists and they're the
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 11: ones that got a lot of the attention with you,
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 11: know The Ray Guy awards and that sort of. Thing but,
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 11: frankly the coverage units tended to be elite and really,
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 11: strong and the returning units tended to be really, strong
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 11: and we saw a lot of big plays coming out
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 11: of those, units and so it's been down the last
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 11: couple of. YEARS i think that everybody would agree with,
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 11: that and so it'll be interesting to see how much
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 11: of an emphasis That scaley makes on, that how well
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 11: that they can get dialed. In, frankly they've got a
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 11: lot of athletes, that especially in the skill positions at,
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 11: safety at, cornerback at, linebacker that that should be good
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 11: from a coverage, perspective and, frankly they're going to play
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 11: hard because it's the only time they're going to see
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 11: the field because there's a lot of depth at those,
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 11: positions and SO i have high expectations of. Them BUT
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 11: i haven't seen anything with my eyes tells me that
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 11: it's more of a gut.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: Feeling i'm not asking you what your expectation is for this.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: Season we'll get there at some, point probably in the,
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: fall given what we have, seen you've reported, On we've you,
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: know kind of talked to some of the fan. Base
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: what do you think people are expecting From Morgan scalley's first.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: Year i've asked this question of friends and former, teammates
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: and the answers are all over the. Place so the
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: if we took a poll of the Average utah fan
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: said how many wins you think this team's going to?
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 8: Get?
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 3: What what do you think is the most common?
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 8: Answer, YEAH i.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 11: Think the Average utah, fan the most common answer would
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 11: probably be eight or. NINE i think the Average zone,
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 11: subscriber the people that really pay attention to the roster
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 11: and and and just they eat up every piece of
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 11: information they can, get that their answer would probably be
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 11: nine or. TEN i think that they're they would be
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 11: a lot more bullish on this team than the average
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 11: fan would. BE i think outside of the state Of,
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 11: utah this team is not going to get a lot of.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 11: Respect you, know first year head, coach you lose your whole.
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 11: Life people just look on. Paper you lost to your
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 11: two starting, tackles to THE Nfl, draft and your entire
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 11: offensive line and your entire defensive line and most of
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 11: your secondary, like there's no way you're going to be.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 8: Good is going to be.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 11: What people outside of the state, think and they're not
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 11: going to pay close attention to practice reports and stuff like.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 11: That so they'll probably Pick utah to finish in the
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 11: top half of The big, twelve but maybe not in the,
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 11: echelon the upper. Echelon AND i think that that's not
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 11: founded in, reality but it's understandable by white people would think.
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 11: That but, yeah to your, point there's going to be
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 11: a lot of people, across you, know across that. Spectrum
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 11: BUT i think the Average utah fan is going to
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 11: expect at least state, wins especially with this. Schedules it's
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 11: not the toughest schedule in the, world and so it
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 11: it's a nice on ramp For scally for his head coaching.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 11: Career in my, opinion if.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: You think you're A utah football junkie or just a
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: football junkie in, general you got nothing On Dan sorenson
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: Or Sammy moore or any of the Ut zone. People
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: because you were also previous to the fan, event you
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: were up at the Under Armour next showcase that was
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: At West High school On. Saturday obviously in an elite
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: event for recruits and for people on the, rise for
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: players that hopefully we'll see some of them In utah
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: uniforms and other local schools getting some rep of there as.
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 2: Well what'd you see at Under Armour?
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 5: Next, Oh, man it was a great.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 11: EVENT i was a little worried when we got there
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 11: because the cold front, hit and you, know it's it's
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 11: it's football in. Shorts it's a lot of combine, activities
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 11: so you see more athleticism and those types of things
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 11: then you do you know what you would see on the,
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 11: field and when it's, cold it's you, know guys get,
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 11: stiff they pull, hamstring stuff like. That but it was
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 11: a great and really impressive look there is every year
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 11: it seems like the talent in the state Of utah
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 11: in the high school ranks just gets better and, better
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 11: and there's some amazing players that we saw in the
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 11: twenty twenty seven. Class Body, sparrow he's the number one
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 11: ranked recruit in the state out Of Davis High. School
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 11: he looked every bit the. Part he did repsit at.
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 11: Receiver he took repsit defensive, back fantastic. Athlete he's big,
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 11: body he's, aggressive he, competes he's a.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 5: Leader There's.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: DAN i don't want to interrupt. YOU i don't want
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: to interrupt. YOU i played with his dad At Weaver.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: STATE i have never Wanted utah to get a player
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: more THAN i want them to get. Bodies fair, Like,
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: OH i get. It his dad was an unbelievable, guy unbelievable,
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: athlete two sport athlete At Weaver, state played basketball and
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: football in, college which is. Incredible and you only hear
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: great things about his.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 11: Son, yeah and, yeah he's an US a young man
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 11: both on the field and off the. Field, yeah and
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 11: if his dad was anything like he, IS i would
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 11: have loved to have watched him. Play but, yeah he's
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 11: a football player through and. Through, look the consensus is
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 11: that The oklahoma is probably the leader for. Him Both
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 11: utah AND byu are shooting their. Shot he's going to
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 11: take an official visit To utah And, june and he's
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 11: he's a top priority recruit for The. Utes and he
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 11: was awesome On. Saturday Crew, jones The oklahoma recruit At
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 11: Orham High. School. Incredible, look it's the edge rushers that
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 11: are in state this year are are. Fantastic Between Crew,
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 11: jones who we Saw Menass browns At Corner canyon WHO
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 11: i think is probably a B Yu lean at this,
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 11: point but he was really really. Impressive jaggiywanna out of
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 11: Orm High school was incredibly. Impressive he's a guy that
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 11: he's he's going to be Visiting utah And washington And
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 11: michigan and a few, others but The utes are in on.
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 11: Him but, yeah the the edge rusher classes is. Awesome
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 11: one guy that you fans should probably pay a lot
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 11: of attention to Is jackson And i'm going to butcher
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 11: his last. Name Etai howe out Of Davis High. School
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 11: he's a four star kid by twenty four to seven
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 11: an athlete play receiver or defensive. Back we think he's
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 11: going to be a. Receiver he's very very high on
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 11: The ute and The utes are pushing hard for. Him
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 11: he was awesome On. Saturday another Kid utah fans should
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  Speaker 11: pay attention To Ian aluisio out of Timp View High.
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  Speaker 11: School he's the top rated offensive lineman in the state
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 11: for this class and also a guy that is very
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 11: very high On Utah, Arizona Arizona, State, nebraska they're all
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 11: after him as. Well but he's Visiting utah on That
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 11: june nineteenth, weekend which is the last big official visit.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 11: Weekend and he was very impressive at the camp as.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 11: Well just great, feet a good, body moves, well he's
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 11: got a great, punch and he's a guy that could
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 11: be a high level offensive lineman AND i think he's
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 11: got a great shot at being A. Uth so we
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 11: saw a lot of. Kids there were probably just in
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 11: the twenty twenty seven, class probably twenty to twenty five
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 11: kids that are going to be playing high LEVEL fbs.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 11: Football twenty twenty eight class was maybe even better. Represented Tyo,
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 11: fano Who ute fans. Is that's the name that Most
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 11: ute fans will, know of course because Of spencer And,
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 11: logan but he's the next and he's a four star
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 11: kid in the twenty twenty eight class and was. Awesome
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 11: he's a little lean still and he needs to grow
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 11: into his, body but from a technique, perspective he's as
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 11: good as any offensive lineman in The. West AND i
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 11: had a chance to spend maybe ten minutes talking to,
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 11: him and, look his brothers were just impressive humans and
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 11: really easy to cheer for in terms of the kind
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 11: of people that they are and the mindset that they.
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 11: Have And tyo is cut from that same. Cloth, yeah
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 11: The fano family that that mom and dad should be
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 11: very very proud of their, sons and not just because
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 11: they're good football, players but they just seem like, smart
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 11: solid humans And tyo is very much that.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 8: Way utah is.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 11: Absolutely going to be in. It he's got schools from
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 11: all over the country that are coming after him as,
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 11: well and so he's got a long ways before he's
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 11: going to, commit but he's somebody that That utah is
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 11: gonna have a great shot at and they're going to
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 11: be in it until the. End and, look it could
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 11: be a really great class in twenty twenty eight With
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 11: tyofano And Gage. Webbell you, know there's potential for some
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  Speaker 11: really really big legacy kids coming in and continuing the
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  Speaker 11: tradition on The.
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  Speaker 2: Hill, dan appreciate your time and your encyclopedic. Knowledge we'll
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  Speaker 2: chat again. Soon thank, you.
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  Speaker 8: Sir it's my.
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  Speaker 11: Pleasure thanks for having me on and and enjoy your
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  Speaker 11: summer as you get ready for fall.
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  Speaker 3: Camp we will do that for.
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 2: Sure that Is Dan sorenson the founding, WELL i was gonna.
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  Speaker 3: Say founding, member but he just he founded. It so,
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  Speaker 3: YEAH i believe the.
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  Speaker 4: FOUNDER i believe the term is publisher in that, World pounding,
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  Speaker 4: published but he's also the founder of You. ZONE i
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  Speaker 4: think it's important to note that everyone who Loves utah recruiting,
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 4: coverage Like Dan snorrenson.
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  Speaker 2: COG i KNOW i overdo it on this, point BUT
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 2: i just when you have now under armor on three
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  Speaker 2: twenty four to Seven Nike eliite, eleven these sort of
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  Speaker 2: staples in the recruiting game and in the high school
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 2: prospect game are running things in our home.
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 3: State.
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 2: Now there was a time two decades ago where you were,
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: lucky even if you were a great, player to get
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 2: any attention out Of. Utah Now utah is viewed as
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: and for good, reason is viewed as a hotbed of.
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  Speaker 2: Talent hopefully you can stay on the crest of that
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  Speaker 2: wave and keep these in state guys because everybody wants them.
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: Now and you Got michigan as a player in the
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: in state, recruiting which it never was in the, past
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 2: just getting tougher and. Tougher Oregon scalley and his crew
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: are great recruiters, though and they will continue to be
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 2: so because of the. Charisma and if we the fan
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: base and the supporters that have a lot of commas
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 2: in the bank accounts can can make it make sense
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: for these families and these. Players you're gonna get some
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 2: really good things coming Through utah from the in state.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: Crop that's to say nothing Of, Texas, Colorado, Arizona, California, Louisiana.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 2: Florida just the in state crop of guys is.
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 3: Excellent all, right.
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: We're gonna give away some lagoon passes coming up here
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  Speaker 2: O'Connell show ON espn. Seven, yem.
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  Speaker 1: You're tuned to The sean O'connells show from The Murdoch
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• 2:18:17
  Speaker 3: Am are we witnessing the end of an era in THE?
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: Nba Is Steve kerr going to? Retire according To Draymond,
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 2: green he thinks. Yes draymond was having a conversation on
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 2: his own podcast and he, said if you want my,
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 2: opinion that was.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 3: It and we all.
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 2: SAW i think we all saw at least the in
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 2: game scenario Where Steve kerr Brought draymond And Steph curry
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 2: and gave him a hug and A mike, Caught, HEY
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: i don't know what's going to happen, Next love you,
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: guys kind of a, situation and Then draymond did the
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: Most draymond thing. Ever he's on the bench and he
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 2: started yelling and got. Ejected so that was the perfect.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 2: End if there is such a thing to the The Steve,
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: Kerr Steph, Curry Draymond green era At Golden state and that,
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: look they've been a, Staple they've been a. Dynasty they've
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 2: been a gold standard in a lot of, ways not
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: only from an on floor, standpoint but an organizational. Standpoint
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: they were able to to really make some magic happen
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 2: with a roster that didn't have the same traditional makeup
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 2: as other. Teams they revolutionized basketball in the league with
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 2: a three point shot in a lot of. Ways and
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: if that is indeed over And kerr is going to move,
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 2: on is going to retire or repurpose himself somewhere. Else
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 2: it's pretty pretty huge deal in THE, nba but going
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 2: out with a bit of a whimper here as THE
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 2: nba playoffs are underway And Oklahoma city is smashing p
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 2: in the early part of the, playoffs And victor Wembin
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 2: yama is making Even David robinson And Tim duncan sitting
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 2: courtside just smack their own heads in awe of what
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: he can. Do it'll Be i'll have a weird FEELING
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 2: i think About Golden state not being that version Of Golden,
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 2: state because that started right WHEN i was leaving The
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 2: Bay area and it's been going ever.
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 3: Since do you think it's, Over, JAMES.
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 4: I, mean if a guy Like Draymond green is willing
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 4: to publicly SAY i think it's, OVER i think we
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 4: should trust. That of that being, Said we've seen guys
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 4: change their minds, before SO i wouldn't BE i wouldn't be,
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 4: totally like too surprised if if we, have Like Steve kerr,
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 4: goes you know, what MAYBE i want to do one
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 4: more year At Golden, state little last dance type thing next.
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 4: Year BUT i Mean Draymond green said, this you know
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 4: it's not it's not you, know all due Respect Brandon
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 4: pajemski who, SAYS, i you, know my feeling is he's.
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 4: Done this Is Draymond, green, who as you correctly, pointed
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 4: out has Been he And steph have been the pillars
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 4: on the court of this, franchise of that, dynasty with
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 4: the help Of Klay thompson And Kevin. Durant of, course
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 4: LIKE i think a lot of credence to what he says.
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 4: About if he'd have, Said, hey this might this that
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 4: was Probably STEP's last, GAME i would have believed that,
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 4: too you, know SO I i think it matters who's saying.
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 2: It the removal Of Klay thompson from the recipe to
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: me felt like kind of the first step in this.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: Direction graphic on the screen right, now six hundred and
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 2: sixty wins for The warriors since twenty twelve in twenty
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 2: thirteen with the With Steve, Kerr Steph, curry And Draymond
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 2: green all and it's you, know makes them kind of
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 2: like some of the the most successful teammates In Stephen draymond's,
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 2: case in the history of THE.
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 3: Nba and.
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 2: When you see these things begin to like dismantle or be.
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 2: Dismantled when you Hear Steve kerr talking, about, yeah there's
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 2: expiration dates on everything and maybe it's time for some new.
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 2: Blood you don't even talk like that if you're not
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 2: aware that ownership and management might be pushing that direction
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 2: or you yourself are starting to think other. Things AND
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 2: i hate to bring it back to an open wound
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: For utah, fans but this is part of the thing
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 2: that we learned through The Kyle whittingham To michigan process
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: and Why Kyle whittingham said after it was all said
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 2: and done and the dust kind of, settled that the
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 2: mistake he made was in entertaining the. Conversation when people are, like,
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 2: hey you've been doing this a long. Time how much
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 2: long are you going to do? It he answered the
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 2: question instead of just being, like as long AS i.
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 2: Want when you start to talk about the, end whether
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 2: it happens right now or it happens in two or three,
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 2: years the end is. Coming you don't talk about the
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 2: end if the end is not a, possibility and if
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 2: you don't want the end to be a, possibility you dismiss.
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 2: That and, nobody none of the parties here are. DISMISSING
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: i haven't Heard Steph curry's comments, yet But Steve, Kerr
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 2: Draymond Green Ownership, management they've all kind of, said, yeah we'll,
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 2: see we we'll, evaluate we'll think about. It if it's not.
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 2: Over you, say, now what are you guys talking. About,
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 2: no we're gonna keep. Rolling, Yeah Jimmy butler's back next.
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 2: Year we want, him but we Want draymond. Back we
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 2: Want steph. Back, yeah they're, older But pajemski's really grown
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 2: into a role on this team like. That that's the
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 2: other thing about, it is, like if you're walking, away.
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 3: It would be.
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 2: Easy in my, opinion it'd be easy to walk away
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 2: or to make a change if you're talking about ownership
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 2: at being from the front office side of, things it's
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 2: easy to make these decisions if you can hit that reset,
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: button if it's obviously time for a. Rebuild oh, man
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 2: these guys. Stink we don't have the roster, Anymore steph's, retiring.
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 2: Whatever you don't have A victor Wemb binyama. Here but
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 2: you're also not. Inept you're also not a franchise that
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 2: needs to be stripped down to the. Studs and you
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 2: might be sick of Paying Draymond green's, salary but you're
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 2: probably not sick of Paying Steph curry And Jimmy butler,
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: Yet and you're certainly not sick Of. Pajemski SO i
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: don't know they call it a summer of uncertainty for The.
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 2: Warriors we'll see.
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  Speaker 5: Hits, yeah that is.
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  Speaker 12: cooley he looks like a fourteen year. Old that's waiting
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 12: for his first piece of facial air to grow. In
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  Speaker 12: there's no way he can grow a playoff. Beard yet
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  Speaker 12: he's he is such a stud. Man like if there's
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 12: a superstar on the, team it's it's It's. Keller but
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 12: as far as like bright future, man it might be
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  Speaker 12: it might Be Logan.
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  Speaker 5: Cooley that kid is a. Stud, yeah well we're.
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  Speaker 2: EXCITING i, mean, look there's when you put guys Like
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 2: cooley And gunther And keller all on the right side
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  Speaker 2: of thirty on the eye together in playoff hockey for
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 2: the next, two, three four. YEARS i think we're really
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 2: talking about A Stanley cup contending team at some, point
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 2: especially if they keep making good personnel decisions like they.
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 2: Have that third period was probably a bit of a
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 2: wake up call for everyone in the. Organization the, misqueue
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 2: with the empty, netter With veggie skating off at the wrong,
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  Speaker 2: time all that. Stuff those are the tiny little details
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  Speaker 2: that in any sport you can't afford to make those
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 2: mistakes in, playoffs in championship, contention, like that's where the
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 2: weed is separated from the. Chaff so it's, fine you
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 2: get a seven game series And tuesday night will BE
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 2: i think a little bit. Different you get Here, friday
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 2: it's going to be even. Better so can't?
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 5: Wait are you going to the game On?
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 2: Friday SO i have SOME pfl travel THAT i think
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 2: is going to bring me back in. Time, okay and
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 2: we're manipulating some things to make that.
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 5: Happen if you're back in, time will you be at the?
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  Speaker 3: Game one trillion?
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  Speaker 5: Percent did we just become best? FRIENDS i want to
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 5: do karate in the, garage shed film a, video give
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 5: each other high. Fives this is pretty cool. Though my
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 5: dad and son will be.
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 12: Here so three generations at the First Stanley cup playoff
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 12: hockey game In Salt, lake excited for. It this this.
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 12: Atmosphere he was buying the. TICKETS i have A i
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 12: still have a friend over at the Doll. Really, yeah
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 12: he's a very important. Friend and WHEN i was out
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 12: of The jazz, game he, said look if you want to,
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 12: go gotcha playoff. Tickets so, yeah he's he's my. Guy
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 12: great friend to. Have it's an excellent. Friend It's Chris,
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 12: party that's my. Guy all, Right me AND cb go.
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 12: Back you, Know chris started as a lowly sports talk
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 12: radio account. Executive it's awesome and now he's like running
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 12: the show over.
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 5: There so that's my. Guy chris took me. UP i appreciate.
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 12: Him he's good people, cool he has good. PEOPLE i
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 12: will say. THIS i need to get some. Gear AND
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 12: i was Telling JAMES i walked through WHEN i was
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 12: The jazz, GAME i walk through the team's store AND
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 12: i don't, know, MAN i kind of like the hockey
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 12: club gear more THAN i like the mammoth.
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 11: Gear.
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  Speaker 12: NO i know it's, blasphemous BUT i gotta find something to.
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  Speaker 3: TAKE i got it.
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 12: Wrong, well you know you KNOW i like. It, well
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 12: my opinion is. Mine it is. Clean look the mammoth, thing,
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 12: okay on, board we did the, thing but the big.
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 5: TUSKS i just like The utah hockey it's. Cleaner, Okay
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 5: so CAN I CAN i have your?
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 2: Jersey, no, okay this is an adult size, anyway that's won't.
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 5: Fish why It's.
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  Speaker 12: Monday i'm up to one seventy, Dude, yeah gains game.
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 5: Season. Sean got to get.
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  Speaker 3: The thirty pounds away from. MANHOOD i. Congratulate.
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 5: You got to get the beach pod ready to get
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 5: ready to.
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 7: Roll.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah when The i'm head of the opposite direction for
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 3: the beach.
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 5: Bods good to see you at the fan. Fest that was.
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 5: Fun it was.
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 2: Awesome, yeah it was it REALLY i put a poll
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 2: out like did you for the? Fans is that better
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 2: than the spring? Game is it worse than the spring?
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 2: Game and it's kind of like. Split if you have young,
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 2: kids LIKE i, did that was better than a spring, Game,
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 2: yeah because my daughter's got to run around.
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 3: And hit tackling dummies for an.
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 2: Hour IF i was with like a teenager who wanted
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 2: to sit and watch, football that probably would have been.
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 2: Preferable BUT i think the fan base seems to have
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 2: embraced the alternative and they waited in line for a
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 2: long time to get, autographs AND i think that ultimately
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 2: what people want.
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 3: Is they just want to meet the.
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 2: Players they wanted to meet the, coaches and they got
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 2: a chance to do.
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 12: That, Yeah and ULTIMATELY i think most people understand that
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 12: now in the modern era of college, football the depth
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 12: isn't there the way it used to be for, everybody
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 12: not Just utah But alabama And georgia And Ohio. State
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 12: SO i was actually talking to our Guy Paul kirk
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 12: about this keeler up there ran into, everybody which is very.
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 12: Cool it's not just keeping your ones and twos. Healthy
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 12: you need everybody. Healthy come fall in a way that
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 12: maybe once upon a time you could rely on depth
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 12: that just doesn't exist. Anymore because a four star defensive
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 12: end that is At bama sitting behind another four star
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 12: defensive and gets a call From Steve sartigan and, Says
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 12: i'll pay you two million dollars to come To.
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 5: Texas you got to keep the kids.
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 12: Healthy AND i think the fans probably know that now
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 12: as somebody that would rather stay home than wait in
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 12: a line for, anything probably understand how that was a
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 12: bit frustrated because there was a big.
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  Speaker 5: TURNOUT i mean a lot of people showed. Up that
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 5: line was told.
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  Speaker 2: Three to four thousand. People they, counted well they GOT i, think,
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 2: yeah so that's that's a long.
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 12: Line but good, job you, know with some interviews there and,
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 12: yeah accessibility for players and because that's something you probably
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 12: remember as a, kid the first time you met an
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 12: athlete that you looked up. To you, know that's memories
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 12: like that for, children they live on forever for.
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 5: Sure, yeah so, cool. COOL i think a cool, event.
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 3: Really really successful spring.
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 2: CAMP i think for This utah football team and now
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 2: the guys that need to get, bigger we'll try to
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 2: get bigger in the summer weight. Training and the guys
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 2: who need to get, faster we'll try to get. Faster
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 2: and we are four months away from, it mattering for
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 2: real and knowing what kind of head Coach Morgan scalley.
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 5: Is, yeah we'll blink, it it'll be.
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 12: Here we always complain when we don't have football and
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 12: then it shows up and we blink and it's. Gone
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 12: so big summer ahead and excited to see what we've
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 12: got come.
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 2: Fall stay tuned For The drive With spence checkets right
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  Speaker 2: here ON espn seven ninet two AND. Afm thanks for
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 2: listening To The sean O'Connell. Show do it again tomorrow