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We manterrupt this woman’s article for a more interesting take | HBR Talk 393 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk three ninety three. We
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  Speaker 1: manterrupt this woman's article for a more interesting take. I'm
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  Speaker 1: anybody that was listening, I pointed out, we will be
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  Speaker 1: we'll be looking at this video. We we did look
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  Speaker 1: at this video on Tuesday a little bit, but we
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  Speaker 1: may I expect us to be able to have a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more of an in depth discussion here. And
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  Speaker 1: I but I want to start out pointing out how
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  Speaker 1: interesting this is. There's been how many documentaries have there
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  Speaker 1: been introduced that, Oh, we're going to take a look
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  Speaker 1: at the minisphere. Oh, we're going to take a look
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  Speaker 1: at uh particularly in cells.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, on my end, they've been five that I've
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  Speaker 2: been rejected for five Right and Intel Intel documentaries.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course they of course they don't want to
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  Speaker 1: talk to an in cell who is able to defend
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  Speaker 1: himself by.
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  Speaker 3: Always about how many bitches you hate, Richard. That's how
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  Speaker 3: you get through into these documents.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if that I.
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  Speaker 2: Hate everybody equally, I hate everybody equally.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's not good enough. You need to say I
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  Speaker 3: hate women and I want to rape them all, and
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  Speaker 3: then you'll get into these documentaries.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have to I don't have the energy to
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  Speaker 2: do that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you've got to hustle, my boy.
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  Speaker 1: There's only like what four billion women in the world
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  Speaker 1: get started. No, it's not that many, two billion, two billion,
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  Speaker 1: Like half the females must be girls instead of you're
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  Speaker 1: not the right religion for that. No, there we go.
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  Speaker 1: So so you guys can just tag team, all right,
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  Speaker 1: but obviously you need the correct robe and the and
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  Speaker 1: the rapemobile. You can't just you know, go on foot,
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  Speaker 1: because that would take forever. No, there's just been Uh.
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  Speaker 1: It just seems like every conquer every time we turn around,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like there's a new uh documentary. And I'll
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  Speaker 1: say that in air quotes as best I can, because
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  Speaker 1: you can't see me on the manisphere, on uh in cells,
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  Speaker 1: on red pillars, they'll say red pillars, and then then
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  Speaker 1: of course they they only talk to a select group
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  Speaker 1: of people from one facet of the giant, multifaceted, hundred
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  Speaker 1: sided dice that the the manisphere has become. But they
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  Speaker 1: don't talk to, say, the the leaders of any group
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  Speaker 1: or the uh the individuals that are that are the
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  Speaker 1: most connected to the most people in any any group,
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  Speaker 1: the individuals who are the thought leaders UH in a
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  Speaker 1: in a particular group they find, they find the people
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  Speaker 1: that are the easiest to exploit for clickbait, and clickbait
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  Speaker 1: requires outrage. So we'll see how this one goes. It's
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  Speaker 1: that's the other thing. It's it's hard to you can't
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  Speaker 1: exploit Richard for clickbait because you you you don't get
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  Speaker 1: quote minable quotes from him very often that you could
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  Speaker 1: you could piss everybody off with, unless, of course he
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  Speaker 1: wants to give you one, which if if you follow
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  Speaker 1: unless yeah, you'll see him on Twitter, right, you want
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  Speaker 1: to tell people how to follow you on Twitter?
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  Speaker 7: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: This at disable cell, that's my that's my handle there.
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  Speaker 2: We got at disable cell.
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  Speaker 1: That's so so there you go. If you actually want
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  Speaker 1: what what they would be looking for for clickbait, that's
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  Speaker 1: that's where to find it. And Uh, to be honest,
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  Speaker 1: I have I have seen women overreact to quite a
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  Speaker 1: number of his posts. So like they get mad about
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  Speaker 1: the littlest, little odest things and and some like.
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  Speaker 2: My Twitter feeds U got me in trouble once at
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  Speaker 2: what they sense somebody found it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that I can see that in groups of people.
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  Speaker 1: There's always at least one person that's going to do
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  Speaker 1: that in large groups like that. And like I said,
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  Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of women overreact to it because
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  Speaker 1: they they'll take jokes seriously, they'll take statements that are
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  Speaker 1: not about them personally. They'll take generalizations as if they
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  Speaker 1: are specific, and so on, and they can be a
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  Speaker 1: lot like those toys where you press a button and
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  Speaker 1: then it just starts going off and flailing around, and
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  Speaker 1: usually it has some dumb song, right, and it does
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  Speaker 1: it for a few minutes and then you have to
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  Speaker 1: push the button again to get it to operate again.
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  Speaker 1: There's videos on YouTube all over the place of people
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  Speaker 1: scaring their cats with those toys. But a lot of
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  Speaker 1: women act like those toys too. All you have to
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  Speaker 1: do is say something that is not that doesn't venerate
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  Speaker 1: women really, and and they're off, I'm just signing you
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  Speaker 1: can't believe you said that.
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  Speaker 4: This is terrible, You're a misogynous.
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  Speaker 1: Pig, and and they'll go up, I'm shut up.
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  Speaker 2: So my f is very bad.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it might be difficult actually to find you, now
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  Speaker 1: that I think about it, because if your search band,
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  Speaker 1: people can type your name into the search bar and
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  Speaker 1: you won't show up. But so so one way to
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  Speaker 1: uh to more easily find somebody who is a search
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  Speaker 1: band is to start typing. Is if you're going to
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  Speaker 1: tweet to them or post to them, and then you
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  Speaker 1: can you can see if an account comes up with
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  Speaker 1: that name. But in the meantime, I have it on.
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  Speaker 3: Good authority that Twister doesn't do that anymore good authority,
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  Speaker 3: so don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 1: I guess search band about once a month for a
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  Speaker 1: few days at least for no reason. Sometimes like I
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  Speaker 1: haven't been on for a couple of days and then
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  Speaker 1: I come back on and somebody's like, oh, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: your search search band, And I have no idea why.
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  Speaker 1: So I think there are algorithms in effect that people
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  Speaker 1: don't realize. But so what we were looking at this
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  Speaker 1: this last time, this this fellow mister Ross kemp here
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  Speaker 1: had planned on doing a documentary which I think that's
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  Speaker 1: actually on Amazon. I might be able to get access
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  Speaker 1: to it too. I was looking for some some of
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  Speaker 1: his stuff on YouTube and it's only available in the UK,
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  Speaker 1: but I do did find that some of it is
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram. He apparently he has been has decided to
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  Speaker 1: investigate in cell culture and has started to do a
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  Speaker 1: documentary series where he's talking to different people and this,
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  Speaker 1: this interview surprised him a little bit. So let's dig
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  Speaker 1: in here. And I like, the minute I start this,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna if this is only a minute in forty
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  Speaker 1: six seconds long, it's quite possible we will take an
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  Speaker 1: hour and a half to get through it.
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  Speaker 3: I have a doubt, by the way, I will express
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  Speaker 3: this doubt before we even go into it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but if we if we get through it faster
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  Speaker 1: than I expected, I do have some other things we
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  Speaker 1: can look at. So here we go.
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  Speaker 3: In cells.
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  Speaker 7: Are a misogynistic group. Effectively, they hate women. How many
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  Speaker 7: in cells have become killers?
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  Speaker 8: We'd say roughly between seven to fifteen around the world.
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  Speaker 1: This this one. We first looked at this, I initially thought,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna have to stop it after
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  Speaker 1: the very first sentence to argue that point, but this
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  Speaker 1: made it better.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry.
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  Speaker 8: How many estimates typically range from between seven to fifteen
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  Speaker 8: in cell killers, and roughly fifty nine people have been
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  Speaker 8: killed in ideologically motivated in cell killings in the United
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  Speaker 8: Kingdom Around the world.
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  Speaker 3: Seven to fifteen is a is a boundary of error
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  Speaker 3: of one hundred percent, right between seven one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: something percent, which suggests right away that they don't know
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  Speaker 3: what the fucking in cel is or what the fuck
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  Speaker 3: in cell motivations might be. And then you have to
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  Speaker 3: look into all of these apparent in cell kills like
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  Speaker 3: like I suggested on Tuesday show, this probably includes the
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  Speaker 3: likes of Elliott Wat's his name, who existed before in
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  Speaker 3: cell was even a thing, and presumably all kinds of
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  Speaker 3: people who existed before in cel was even a thing.
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  Speaker 3: And then you have to think of, well, so what
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  Speaker 3: do you call the likes of Jeffrey Dahmer who could
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  Speaker 3: never find a female partner on account of he was gay?
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  Speaker 3: And then you have to wonder about ted Mundy, who
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  Speaker 3: was not an intel because he was a very charming
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  Speaker 3: and conventionally attractive man who could find all kinds of
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  Speaker 3: women to lure to his murderous rampage. And then you think, well, so,
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  Speaker 3: how does any of this compare to anything else when
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  Speaker 3: it comes two men who aren't getting as much sex
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  Speaker 3: as they want? I mean, how many serial murderers, or
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  Speaker 3: indeed mass murderers in history could be called in cells
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  Speaker 3: in the event that they didn't get that they weren't
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  Speaker 3: getting quite as much action as they wanted to, And
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  Speaker 3: that in itself could mean anything like what the fucking
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  Speaker 3: counts as an in cell murderer? And I given that
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  Speaker 3: a great deal of murderers happened to be people I
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  Speaker 3: mean men apparently specifically in this case, who weren't quite
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  Speaker 3: getting what they wanted, and you know, was that necessarily
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  Speaker 3: the motivation for their attacks or was it just a
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  Speaker 3: peripheral description of the killer in question? Quite often killers
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  Speaker 3: were people who were dissatisfied in their lives, right.
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  Speaker 1: So well, I mean, you take a look at some
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  Speaker 1: of the some of the school shootings in the United States,
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  Speaker 1: like we we hear all the time that you know,
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  Speaker 1: we should be concerned that every in cell is going
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  Speaker 1: to be the next school shooter. But our first, our
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  Speaker 1: first example of a school shooter that became famous was
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  Speaker 1: a girl and she was SU's not an inceel. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: she was abused. So this was an entirely different situation
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  Speaker 1: and it was the the the reasoning was entirely different,
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  Speaker 1: and she really kind of didn't give a reason, like
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  Speaker 1: she stated that she joked about there being a reason
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  Speaker 1: when she was asked by the media, and the boomtown
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  Speaker 1: Rats in the UK made a song about it called
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  Speaker 1: Don't like Mondays. But in reality, it traced back to
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  Speaker 1: causes in her home. Man, when you look at the
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  Speaker 1: pattern of violence that takes place in the US with
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  Speaker 1: school shooters, gang violence, and other forms of criminal violence,
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  Speaker 1: like you can trace domestic violence back to problems in
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  Speaker 1: the homes of the couple when they were children, and
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  Speaker 1: domestic violence has turned out to be cyclical quite frequently.
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  Speaker 1: You have you have an issue with, in particular, people
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  Speaker 1: who who are two way domestic violence perpetrators, So both
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  Speaker 1: a man and a woman, you have both of them
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  Speaker 1: coming from homes where the domestic violence was the norm.
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  Speaker 1: You have like with school shooters, quite frequently there is
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  Speaker 1: an issue of mental health conditions in which the shooter
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  Speaker 1: has been put on a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor because
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  Speaker 1: that that's the norm in treatment of depression and anxiety disorders,
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  Speaker 1: or they're on antipsychotics, which is becoming more and more
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  Speaker 1: the norm in treatment of all kinds of behavioral disorders.
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  Speaker 1: But of course the idea that they ran into some
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  Speaker 1: group online and because they talk to that group that's
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  Speaker 1: the sole reason why they engaged in their violence gets
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  Speaker 1: gets batted around all the time. This type of violence
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  Speaker 1: has been around for a long time. Gang violence has
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  Speaker 1: been around for a long time, right. Individual violence people
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  Speaker 1: basically psych logically blowing up and engaging in rampage killing
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  Speaker 1: has been an issue since before the Internet existed for
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  Speaker 1: most people, since before there was any kind of way
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  Speaker 1: to connect computers to communicate with each other, and in
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  Speaker 1: fact since before computers. And so to attribute it to
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  Speaker 1: in cell culture and suggest that this is something that
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  Speaker 1: happens because these men had the audacity to talk about
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  Speaker 1: being lonely and not liking it, it's a dramatic oversimplification
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  Speaker 1: of the issue of rampage violence, especially given the fact
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  Speaker 1: that for every one of them that engages in something
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  Speaker 1: like that, you have hundreds of men who are just
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  Speaker 1: quietly drowning, quietly self destructing, like quietly being smothered by
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  Speaker 1: the people around them, and have no way of getting
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  Speaker 1: out of that situation, and don't go on a rampage.
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  Speaker 1: Right But but yeah, you know, why don't we just
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  Speaker 1: blame the guys that are the the whipping boys of society,
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  Speaker 1: the guys that everybody picks on, hates, calls creeps, says
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  Speaker 1: they don't want to sit next to you on the bus,
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  Speaker 1: won't talk to doesn't notice when they're in the grocery
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  Speaker 1: store and you walk past them and they're invisible. Those guys, like,
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  Speaker 1: even though they seem to be a pretty small percentage
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  Speaker 1: of the number of individuals who have engaged in deadly
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  Speaker 1: violence against other people, why don't we just why don't
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  Speaker 1: we just you know, use them as scapegoats. That seems
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  Speaker 1: to be the thing right now, that seems to be
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  Speaker 1: the the practice and the popular idea of the moment.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't we just scapegoat in selves? Then we don't
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  Speaker 1: have to examine the causes for all of these other
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  Speaker 1: instances of violence. If we just get rid of, or
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  Speaker 1: corral or control all of the men who haven't been
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  Speaker 1: blessed with the approval of the vagina, then then we've
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  Speaker 1: solved it, even though there will still be violence, Even
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  Speaker 1: there though there will still be rampage killings, because that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't address the underlying problems.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I suppose we can be grateful that the likes
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  Speaker 3: of Ross Kemp can go into a project like this,
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  Speaker 3: assuming that millions of in cells are out here killing
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  Speaker 3: millions of women. Whatever the fuck you thought it was.
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  Speaker 3: And some Irish guy tells him, actually, I'm seven, and
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  Speaker 3: he goes, oh, okay, good, and he somehow he believes that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why he would believe that, and given
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  Speaker 3: that he's on orders from whatever producers are telling him
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  Speaker 3: to believe what he's supposed to believe, but he can
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  Speaker 3: nevertheless be told this seven to fifteen statistic and he
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  Speaker 3: goes ahead and believes that, and you know, yeah, maybe
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  Speaker 3: we can hold out some hope that he will further
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  Speaker 3: take that too, to mean that it's it's actually even
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  Speaker 3: fewer than seven.
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  Speaker 2: Allegedly, he is compromised because he had a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a incident like that luck a decade ago. But he was,
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  Speaker 2: but his ex girlfriend beat him up by from the
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: press because it was a powerful news that did it
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: at the time allegedly, Well.
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  Speaker 3: That was Ross Kemp has a mind of his own.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Ross Kemp does not have a mind of his own.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: He's an actor. He's a soap opera actor. He does
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: what he is told to do.
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  Speaker 1: It's I's possible. I mean it's a guy guy like
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: that does still have a mind of his own. But
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: in terms of his what he's going to do professionally
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: versus what you know he might do in his his
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: private life and what he might what his opinions might
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: be and how he might think, those are going to
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: be separate because his his professional life is is controlled.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's it's a difference between calling
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: yourself a journalist and being a journalist, you know, having
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: having the ability to analyze things and give the who, what, where, when,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: why and how of it honestly first writing what you're told,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: saying what you're told, only seeing the angle you're told
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: to see, and things like that.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: The analysis is not done by the presenter, be it
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: an actor like Ross Kemp or a quote unquote professional
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: documentarian like Louis Theroux. I don't know if I have
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: time to go into it, but I did watch the
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Louis Theroux documentary like just now, just like this evening,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: and like I predicted in the news show two weeks ago,
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Louis throu just turned up and looked all befuddled and
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: acting like he's he He's just this perfectly affable guy.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: He's just going, Oh, I don't quite understand, what do
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: you what do you mean by all this? And and
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: the the hit piece is done entirely in the edit.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah it is.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: I mean they took they took thousands of hours of
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: footage and and some very clever editors, under the instruction
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: of some very evil producers, clipped everything down into into
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: the most demonizing clips. And yeah, yeah, presumably that's what's
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: been That's that's what's been done here as well.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: It's quite likely. I don't know. I don't know if
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: our listeners all recall, I know, the ones that are
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: like long term listeners will remember when we came out
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: in support of the consumer revolt side of of gam
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: or gate uh and not the the game's journo side
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: of game or gate Vice had done a piece on
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: us in twenty fourteen when the first International Conference on
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Men's Issues was held in Detroit, and they came, and
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: they had a young lady come and ask us a
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: lot of questions and do a lot of filming and
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: so on, and they had put out a piece that
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: was it seemed fairly balanced. It was way more balanced
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: than we expected. It was definitely way more balanced than
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: GQ magazine put out. But then when we came out
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: in support of that consumer revolt, they changed the title
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: to imply that we think women who are raped deserve it,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: when nowhere in anything we've ever said, have we stated
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: or implied that, and they did. They did not in
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: the obviously the original post, but they did put out
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: some stuff that was edited to make it look like
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: we were dipships. Essentially, this has been the way the
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: establishment press.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Just the manone who remembers the article they did the.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Photos that was a totally different different the.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Photoshops they did on Paul and and and and and
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Sage and and weird positively demonic.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Well, there's there's more to it than that. In that article,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: we had, first of all, Charlotte interviewed a whole lot
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: of people, and then he picked the most vulnerable to
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: being lied about and used them in his in his article,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: for example, I followed the always be recording rule, and
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: uh so I always protected right. He completely just straight
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: up lied about about Danny, like just flat out made
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: stuff up and attributed it to Danny. Didn't Danny didn't
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: say any of that stuff. But because he didn't have
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: a recording to prove it or couldn't present a recording
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: to prove it, that that was completely uh blown over
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: like he in Canada. I guess that can be considered
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: a crime. But he had he had gone after people
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: who were not recording. Since I recorded, I was not
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: included in the article, which was which was kind of interesting.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Anybody that had evidence of what whether they said what
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: they said they were accused of saying or not, didn't
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: get in. And he's not He's not the first one
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: that did that. There's a quote that that is attributed
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: to Warren Ferrell that is absolutely vile that he never said,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: and he has steadfastly maintained he never said that. It's
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: one of the most controversial quotes out there about him,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: and feminists would will cite it all the time when
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: he comes up and it traces back to an interview
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: where there's no recording of the interview, there's no evidence, nothing,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: it's the interviewer just made that up and attributed it
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: to him, and then that's been associated with his name
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: ever since. So if you're if you ever contacted it
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: as part of the manisphere, or somebody posts something like
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: see if I have it? Yeah, like this, are you
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: an in celler? Are you willing to talk to me
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: for an article about what people get wrong about the
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: in cell subculture? Please get in contact. DMS are open
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: if you see something like that about any aspect of
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the manisphere and you decide to talk to whoever that
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: person is that posts it, Not necessarily this person, but
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: always be recording, Always keep receipts. If you're going to
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: talk to someone in DMS, make sure that you are
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: getting screenshots, downloading what you can download of it. Take
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: pictures of the screen with your phone so you can
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: prove that it was real. You know, do whatever you
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: have to do, but make sure you can prove what
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: you did say and what you didn't say wasn't what
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: you said?
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Richard, Yeah, so that lady was like, I
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: don't think no one spoke to us, because no one
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: on the Intel Comey speaks to journalists that much. No more.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: I wonder why.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: After the couple of documentaries, nobody like trust them too much.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's what I would That's how I would wreck.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: We were pretty much the same in the men's rights movement.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I think I think g Q tried to come to
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: later later conferences and got rebuffed because of that. Did
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: someone else try to speak?
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: I think Loe's trying to get back.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: On I'm trying to help it.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's yeah, that's that's.
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  Speaker 2: Hello.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Hello, there we go. So, so you're not gonna do
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: the what does this button do?
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Yep?
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Every chick has their energy, huh. But yeah, it all
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: goes back to the fact that there are people who
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: are journalists and there are people who call themselves journalists,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: and they are not the same bunch, right a journalist? Like,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: the entire analysis that you do if you are acting
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: as a journalist is have I got the whole story?
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Is this person telling me the truth? And you know,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: am I including things that aren't really relevant?
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Things like that, not character analysis of the people involved,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: other than is this person telling me the truth?
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Is this person trolling me. But but for instance, you
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: don't make judgments. This person's a misogynist. These people are racist,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: these people are bad people. We don't want to talk
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: to theople. That's not journalism, right. Journalism is there was
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: an event at LO cation X time why uh involving
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: these people, and uh they did and said these things.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: And the reason that that I could ascertain was, you know,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: they said, they said they they wanted to do x y,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: they wanted to accomplish X y Z. Those are your
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Those are your who, what, where, when, why, and how?
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: And they they showed up, they all showed up by bus.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: You know whatever, You tell the facts and you let
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: people make up their own minds about them, and that
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: is That is journalism, right. If you are not telling facts,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: you are withholding facts, or if you are saying things
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: that are not factual, saying things that you can't confirm,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: if you're making judgments and you're writing judgments into your article,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: that's not journalism, right. That's commentary, and it is an
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: entirely different We're common here, like we do a little
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: bit of journalism in among our commentary, but mostly we
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: are are reporting on what journalists say and we're analyzing it,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: and that that's your analysis. But it's not. It isn't journalism.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: It isn't documentarianism to characterize what you are recording. It's
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: journalism or documentarianism to let your viewers, your listeners, your
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: readers see the whole picture and get all the information
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: and characterize it themselves. At best, you know, you might
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: classify this as you know, whether it's political or athletic
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: or you know, some along those lines. Those that's that,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: that's a characterization you can make as a journalist. I
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: am talking about sports, I am talking about politics, I
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: am talking about education whatever, But not I am talking
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: about missologny. That's a character judgment. That's bullshit. And and yeah,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: actual journalism doesn't sell anywhere near as much as clickbait,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: which used to be called yellow journalism back before clicks
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: were a thing. So but yeah, let's see what what uh,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: let's go a little further into this. I I just
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: I just love though that that statement, Well, before we
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: go into it, it's interesting to point out though again
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: what he has said here is that the the number
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: of rage killers, of rampage killers who have been in
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: cells that you know, as part of the in cell subculture,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: in in cell forums and such is minuscule, minuscule around
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: the world seven two fifteen, around the entire world seven
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: to fifteen. We are talking such a small percentage of
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: the population as to be statistically negligible. And I know
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: that it's not negligible to the people who have been
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: killed in those rampage sprees. But even even in in
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: that instance, you know, you want to find out what
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: what is the real reason why you're loved one was
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: killed if you want to not be one of the
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: people that that gets killed in one of those rampages.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: The number of people have actual.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Cause to be known so that it can be addressed,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: and not some false cause attributed and politicized so that
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: the thing continues to happen.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: The number of people who have killed each other over
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: road rage, and not even in their cars, but over
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: some matter of that. The number who the number of
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: people who have killed each other over t Cozy related incidents.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: You know, you know about those weird statistics that the
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: number of people who have been killed by t Cozy's
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: or the number of people who have been killed by toilets,
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: it's far greater than the number of people who have
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: been killed over in cell rage or whatever. And and
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: and this is even the greatest possible inflation of people
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: who have been killed over in cel rage. It's negligible
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: to the point of zero.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, let us look at the number of people who
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: have been killed over terrorist rage pertaining to certain religions.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: But no one wants to talk about that. No one
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: in the in the legacy media wants to talk about that.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: And I can't even say what it is I'm talking
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: about because I'll get arrested if I talk about it.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: There is the number, I mean, there's old manner of
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: subjects over which people have been killed.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: It's probably the number of people that have been killed
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: by the American fat acceptance movement is a higher than
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: the number of people that have been killed by The
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: reason I say that is because, yeah, one of the
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: worldwide the listen worldwide, the listed leading cause of death
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: is cardio pulmonary and vascular health conditions, which are affiliated
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: with being fat. Right, you're overweight. It puts a strain
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: on your whole body. It raises your blood pressure, it
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: makes you more likely yeah, the thyroid. Yeah, it affects
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: your whole body. It Actually, if you're a woman and
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: you're overweight, it makes your cramps worse every month than
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: they had they would be if you were a healthy weight.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: But the fat acceptance movement in the United States encourages
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: women to think that they are healthy even if they
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: are morbidly obese.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Fat the fat, Yeah that's not that's not to die on.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Sic, it's starting to die out because of heart attacks
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: and strokes.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you're right, Ozempic is making a
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: big dent in it because I'll all of a sudden,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: people who didn't think they could lose weight or losing
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: weight there are some consequences that can happen to losing
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: it too fast or losing it with a drug. So
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: what Lauren was explaining, she just was talking about when
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: you screw with your your hormones. She was talking about
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: how ozembic is a chemical that is produced already by
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: your body. So apparently it's going out and coming back in. Okay, guys,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: we we didn't ask for your consent for that. We're sorry.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: But the point that she's making is that you can't
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: take that kind of shortcut without consequences if you're you know,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: like there are doctors that are treating it as though
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: you know, you just prescribed this pill here, take this
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: pill and you'll go lose your weight, whereas what you
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: actually have to do when you're trying to lose weight
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: is a combination of things. And if you just take
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: this drug and let the weight come off without doing
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: the other work, which a lot of women are doing,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not even using any kind of drug for weight less.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: I'm actually just slogging through the diet and exercise thing,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: and it's very slow going, but it's safer. You know,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: if you mess with your hormones like that, your body
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: stops producing it, or it starts overproducing it, or it
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: has other changes that take place. And there have been
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: people who have used some of these medications and not
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: done the other things that they're supposed to do in
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: conjunction with the medication that have ended up with all
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: kinds of issues, including osteoporosis, which you wouldn't even think
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: it's related, but it is because it's a growth hormone,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: so it's not a magic bullet, right. But at the
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: other end of it, right, they've gotten like this partly
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: because it's just normal in the United States to be
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: morbidly obese like people. Well, I hit I hit the
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: point where for my height, if you look at a
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: weight chart, then the the pounds put me at morbid
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: morbidly obese. I'm fortunate I have a lot of muscle
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: under the fat, and so I don't look morbidly obese.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: But when I said something to coworker of mine, like
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm going starting to go to the gym after
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: work and stuff, and she's like, you don't need to,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: you don't need to lose weight.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: You're fine, You're not fat.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I am. I wasn't when I was in school. When
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I was young, I used to be the skinny girl
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: that people would be like, this isn't real what a
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: real woman looks like. Real women have curves. I didn't
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: have any curves. I was. I was five foot eight
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: and one hundred and twenty pounds. Was actually underweight, was
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: really unhealthy. But other I was on steroids for asthma,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: and I was an athlete, and I could I could
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: eat fifteen thousand calories a day and not gain a
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: pound at that point in my life. And I'm not
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: kidding really, like I was eating at a on the
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: regular at a restaurant in Lima when I was in
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: university in Lima. That is, it's the place that inspired Wendy's.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: So the equivalent of a Windy's triple. I was eating
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: a couple of those, a couple of orders of fries,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: a frosty, and a huge sugary drink for one meal,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: and then having two other meals at at least two
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: snacks a day and not gaining any weight because I
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: was I was exercising, and I had all those steroids
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: in my system. Now you know, like fifty two year
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: old like totally not the same, actually fifty three year
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: old totally not the same level of activity post start
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: of the menopause bullshit that we all have to go through.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: And like I cry at Hallmark commercials now it's really bad.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: But again, you know, like all that stuff changes, and
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: now I have to have to have to exercise more
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: than I was would normally at this age, or I
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: have to give up junk food that I'm not willing
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: to give up. And this is something like you can't
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: do the magic bullet thing, and I'm not gonna do
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: the magic bullet thing because I already have other health problems.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I don't want to make worse. But women will do that,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: and they've done that because so many of them have
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: gotten to the point of being morbidly obese without having
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: people go you know, your doctor should be telling you this.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: At least you gotta start taking better care of yourself.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: You're not looking as healthy as you were before. I'm
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: worried about you. You know, their friends or their family members. Hey,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: let's go to the gym, Hey let's take a walk, anything,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: because it's politically incorrect to care about a woman's weight,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: and women are dying because of that. Men are dying
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: because of that. Usually, if a woman gets fat her
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: eating habits, because she's the one that buys all the
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: groceries in the house with her husband's money, he gets
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: fat too. Her eating habits affect his eating habits, Her
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: kids eating habits are affected. But but yeah, we're gonna
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: we're gonna blame all the death and destruction in the
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: world on guys who have not been blessed by the
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Holy Hole.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: And when it comes to biochemical medical procedures that result
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: in human death for seven to fifteen, well, let us
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: compare that to and I'm surprised. Well, I've been I've
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: been in and out of the room while you all
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: have been talking, and I haven't been monitoring the situation
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: in the comments. But if anyone else has brought this up,
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: I apologize for not having noticed it. But I some
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: of you may be able to anticipate what I'm about
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: to bring up. When it comes to biochemical medical procedures
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: that result in human death?
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Does it start with an A? It starts with an
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: A that I would have been my next morning to fifteen.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: You say, well, multiply that by a million, and you
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: could start to see what I'm driving at. Who's doing
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: a documentary about that on fucking Netflix or on fucking
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Apple or Amazon. Who's who's interviewing women like like, and
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: and digging into their fucking personal life to sort of
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: demonize them as to where they came about that. Anyone, No, no, whatever, Fine,
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: it doesn't matter, whatever.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's not counted on the lists put out
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: by like the World Health Organization or your country's measurements
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: of human death because it's not politically correct to do so.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: It involves judging women's actions. But since it became legal
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: in the United States and common all around the world,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: women have made being aborted the leading cause of human
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: death in the world. It isn't even close. The margin
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: between the cause I mentioned before, cardiopulmonary and vascular issues
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: health issues and being aborted is over half of the
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: total of cardiopulmonary and vascular issues deaths. Right, it is
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: the margin between is that wide. It is that many
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: more that we hear all the time about men being
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: violent and men being careless, and men this, and men
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: that women have eleven different categories of birth control. Women
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: are the arbiters of consent in pretty much every culture, right,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: in every culture. The history of laws revolving around sexual
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: consent right, the criminalization of imposition of unwanted sexual contact,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: has started with protection of women's consent, protection of women's
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: refusal rights, and not protection of men. So women are
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: the arbiters of consent right, And it isn't because women
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: don't engage in predatory sexual behavior. It isn't because men
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: aren't victimized. It's because women are protected. It's because women
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: receive compassion and men receive judgment.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: With all of that being true, that women can say
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: no anytime they want and nobody says, how dare you
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: that women have pretty much all of the effective birth
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: control available to them, and also have the ability to
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: make their consent reliant on men using the one type
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: of birth control it's available to them. Women still fail
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: to control their reproductive cycle so frequently that they have
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: made being aborted the leading the true leading cause of
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: death in the world. Three and ten babies that are
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: conceived are aborted. And we're talking elective abortion here, not
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: abortion because of complications of pregnancy, or abortion because the
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: woman has been raped, or it's an underage girl that's
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: been a victim of incest or anything like. It's just
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: straight up elective abortion, that is it. But we're gonna
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: worry about seven to fifteen freakouts. Yep. And before anybody
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: comes back with, oh, you're just demonizing women, you just
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: are bashing women. This isn't a made up statistic, it's fact.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: It is true. The facts are that nobody has more
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: power to prevent a woman from becoming pregnant than the
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: one herself. Nobody has more power to decide whether or
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: not a child is going to be conceived inside of
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: her body than she does. It isn't somebody else's fault
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: when it happens, unless she actually was raped, and the
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of abortion is done in the case of
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: consensual sex, where the abortion is elective, not as a
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: result of rape, incest, or health conditions. So yeah, we
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: are not talking about something that isn't real. We're not
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: bashing women as you know, probably like this because they're women,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: and we're not suggesting that that. We just think that
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: this is what women are like. This is a reality
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: in the world three and ten conceptions and in the end,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: in three in ten pregnancies in any elective abortion. Night
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Motorcyclist says, even Trump kind of caved on abortion talk.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: You know, before he ran for office, Trump was not
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: pro life, he was pro abortion, so I never expected
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: him to tow the line on the right to life.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Women better hope I never become president, but I don't
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: think I should, because I don't think a woman should
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: be president.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: None of us have had a truly right wing president
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: or prime minister for a very fucking.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Long time, even the ones that are like historically in
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: the United States, many that are called right wing are progressive.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: The Overton window has been shoved in the left wise
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: direction every generation for as long as any of us
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: can remember. To the point where we've completely lost sight
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: of what the fucking is even left or right. And
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: that's why I try to avoid this whole left right paradigm.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: It's it's it's it's a reductive and childish waste of time.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So I would love to see a comparison
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: like between the shooters that have been labeled in cell shooters,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: even the maximum number fifteen fifteen young men that have
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: been labeled in cell shooters versus say, the shooters that
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: are the mass killers, not shooters, but mass killers, rage
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: rampage killers, because I forget, in some countries you can't
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: get a gun, but the rampage killers that have been
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: labeled in cell killers versus the rampage killers who have
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: been on selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors or versus women who
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: have had four or more abortions. And the fact is
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: that that number, that three and ten that exists for
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: the same reason the high numbers of sexual violence and
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: intimate partner violence exist. Perpetrators are are repeat offenders. So
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: there are many many women who have never had an
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: abortion and never would, and then there are many many
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: women who have had four or more. Then there's the
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: whole population that has had one and regrets it and
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to have another one, to take measures to
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: prevent it from ever happening to them again, from them
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: ever being faced with that decision and you know, feel
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: they made the wrong decision, or even just regret having
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: to have had to make that decision. But there's a
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: huge chunk among women who have had abortions that are
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: quite prolific when it comes down to it, prolific killers
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: that is not prolific, and well they've conceived quite frequently.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: So yeah, then then there's then there's those that are
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: proud of it, right, shout your abortion, like, no, no,
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: thank you, not having one. Wouldn't tell you if I
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: wanted to. But yeah, that's the way. That's the way
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: things are. It is not missirogynistic to state facts and
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: make comparisons. It is misogynistic to think that because women
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: are women, you have to pretend that they can do
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: nothing wrong and everything they do is okay and benevolent
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: and a right and should never be criticized and so on,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: that you can't improve on women's behavior and women can
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: never get better than they are because they that that
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: would mean that they are imperfect, that that is misogynistic
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: because it prevents women from from having success in life.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: If you, gentlemen, wouldn't that be I say that, like,
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: it's the equivalent. But men have Men have abortions too.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: Men are party to abortions. Men could shout their abortion
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: as well. Men could say I, I I was party
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: to an abortion. I one of my babies was fucking killed.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: Let's let's go ahead and shout that out. No, men
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: would never do that.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: For over that. Well, you can't make somebody have an
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: abortion for another thing. And and this is something this
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: is a little off topic, but I have to point
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: this out because every conversation I've been in on social
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: media in probably the last ten years where abortion is discussed,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: some idiot equates a zygoat with a gam meat. Okay,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: the zygoat is the conceived product of two gam meats
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: meeting and merging, and and then the zygoat is attached
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: to the to the uterus and growing right. The gam
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: meat the the sperm in the egg are not complete organisms.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: A zygoat is a complete organism at the earliest stage
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: of its life. There is a huge difference if you
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: were to just take a game meat and try to
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: grow it into something without combining it with another game meat,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: a compatible gammeat, nothing will happen. If you take a
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: zygoat and successfully transplant it into another womb that it
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: is compatible with, it will grow. And that has been done.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: We have clinics that do that for people, but there
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: are no clinics that just implant a sperm into your
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: uterus with no egg and grow a baby, or implant
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: an egg into your uterus with no sperm and grow
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: a baby. That does not happen because they are not organisms.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Game meats are not organisms. They they are just tissue,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: and the inability to differentiate between those two things is
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: one of the many facets of ignorance behind pro choice thinking. Lauren,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: did I hear you for a moment doing what wrong
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: without without any sperm? Yeah? There we go. Oh yes,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: anything men can do women can do better?
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: What's the line? What's the line in the song we
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: we did a perfect? What were you saying, Richard?
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: Hello, Oh you can't hel Lauren? No, now you called
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: the You can't he on on YouTube? The listeners can't
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: hear you.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Just YouTube.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: Well no, they can't hear on freaking on listen this
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: is insane.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't even know how to fix that,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: like I have no that's gotta be a problem with
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: video ninja iPhones. Huh mm hmm. Oh, I wonder, I
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: wonder if I can. I don't. I don't know if
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: I can. Brian's gonna have to deal with this, like
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: they're still saying they can't hear.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: Ship. Uh.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: Brian's gonna have to figure out a way. I just,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: I just we can hear Laurence in in the video
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: ninja chat that we're using. All hear Lauren, so Brian's
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: had her having her We can't. We can hear Brian,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: but you guys can't because he's got it set up
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: that way. But Lauren's gonna hang up and come back.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: We were trying the first rule of tech support, turn
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: it off and on again. So I think Lauren's back.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: M hmmm, who told you that?
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: The quote?
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the I T cred Well, I mean I've had
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: my my share. All right, let's see if people can
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: hear you and we heard we had a hero from
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: from Lauren. I've had my share of of embarrassing. I
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: d to ten T hello Hello. Yeah, uh, so Brian
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: says it's good. I'm assuming it's good. Let's let's let's
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: go ahead. And Lauren, what were you going to talk
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: about the chat?
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 9: You know what, honestly I forget because the way.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: It really is and it's sad. But I digress. Well,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: I heard a yay. I have a yay from art first.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Does that mean that y'all can hear her now? Because
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: that would be great?
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: Do you hear me?
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: There's a woot woot? We good from from ocophobic missing
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: throw who has the most glorious name that I love that.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: I trust my boy and I just wanted to the
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: situation and I can hear you fucking say something.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Lauren, the greatest name. I love it. Ruben the imitator says,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: you are heard, Lauren.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: I heard. I feel so heard.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 9: It's great to be back amongst the living.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: Thank you guys. Now in the vertical chat, we have
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: a question here who, he says, I may regret asking this,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: but if abortion is murdered, then how does incest justify it?
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: It doesn't. It doesn't. It is one of the excuses
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: that abortion advocates use because rape and incest creates victims,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: and victims deserve compassion, or at least they receive compassion,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: and that pulls on people's heart strings. So it creates
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: a more all conundrum for people.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, right, that doesn't just ita.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: No matter what the crime is, no matter what the
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: reason is that a mother might want to abort, the
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: baby is not a guilty party. The baby did not
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: cause this. It is a co victim.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the fact that your dad is an asshole doesn't
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: justify you being killed. Right, There was some comedian that
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: said this, Oh, yeah, you should never be killed unless
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: your dad is an asshole. Well, no, it doesn't work
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: out that. And even if your dad is an incestuous asshole,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, that doesn't necessarily unless you actually develop one
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: of those genetic conditions that can be brought about by incests.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: And even then, right, sort of, that doesn't necessarily justify
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: your death.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 9: I mean, incestuous implies one thing, right, that is something
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 9: that absolutely deserves to be scorn. Right, But just being
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 9: an asshole, well, being an asshole is subjective. It's subjective
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 9: as fuck, right, Like, I can state an opinion that
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 9: to most people would seem plain this day, but to
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 9: those people who just I would seem like an asshole
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 9: for stating that, you know, well, maybe maybe men are
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 9: men and women are women. And to those people who disagree,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 9: I would be an asshole. So being an asshole is subjective, right,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 9: being a pedophile or being an abuser, or being you know,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 9: any one of those things.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: That is, this never stops a woman from producing a baby.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: By the way, women can be pedophiles, and women can
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: be rapists, and women can be incestuous as well, and
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: this never stops them from producing a fucking baby. So
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: why should it stop a man from producing a baby?
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: I know I have brought you into this discussion on
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: such a weird element.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: It's not just that, but it's a matter of any
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: excuse in the book, any excuse they can make, any
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: way that they can tuge on your heartstrings, any way
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: that they can create cognitive dissonance, they will. The bottom
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: line on that particular subject is a single question. Is
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: it alive? Is it a living human organism or is
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: it not? Because if it is, then you have a
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: second question. Task If it's not, then then we wouldn't
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: be having this discussion. But if it is, you have
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: a second question to ask, And that second question is
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: on what justif are you excluding it and exempting the
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: people who kill it from the existing legal and social
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: standards that apply to preserving human life and protecting it
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: against being wrongfully terminated, laws against homicide, laws against negligent
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: homicide even And that is why, for the longest time,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: if a woman engaged in abuse of her own body
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: while she was pregnant that resulted in damage to the baby,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: she could be held accountable in women objected to that.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: But if a baby before birth is not an inanimate object,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: if it is living, if it is alive and it
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: is an organism, it's not just tissue, which we can
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: prove it is a fully formed organism, and it is
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: human not some other species, which again we can prove
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: it's genetically human, it's genetically distinct from the mother, and
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: it is categorized as a living thing not an ananimate object,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: then the laws that the medical profession has to follow
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: should apply to it. The laws of the medical profession
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: has to follow if you are in a car accident
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: and you're in the hospital and your life depends on
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: their actions. The laws that a cop has to follow
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: if you're breaking into somebody's house and he's trying to
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: stop you, and it's a life or death situation. All
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: of those laws apply, it should apply in this situation,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: and legalized abortion bypasses those standards. The question because for
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: what reason? What is the valid excuse? And I don't
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: think somebody else was guilty of a crime is a
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: valid excuse.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: I feel like, is that you, Richard, who's jumping at
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: the bit? Someone's jumping at the bit?
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 9: No, I think I think I'm still a little bit.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: I feel like I have to.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: I'm going to get back to the video.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: I just I just wanted to say something about.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: Like say something, and then we'll get back.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: To the offspring of rapists are kind of capital no
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: more likely to become criminals than the offspring of women
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: who just simply think about with Chad's do you know
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: what I mean? I mean, for all the things you
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: could predict about rape babies, I would like to see
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: some statistics because even even if their dad or their
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: mother was a rapist, and yes, the vast majority of
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: rape babies are actually born from female rapists rather than
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: male rapists, that doesn't necessarily mean that the offspring question
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: is going to be a rapist. Very often, they just
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: you know, they you know, they collect half of their
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: mother's jeans and half of their father's jeans, and they
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: go on to become normal people. I mean very often
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: they don't. It's I guess it's sort of fifty fifty
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: or not even fifty to fifty, because a lot of
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: it depends on nurture, Like all kinds of babies can
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: be developed by a combination of a good man's gens
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: and a bad woman's genes, or a bad man's gens
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: and a good woman's genes, whatever good and bad even
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: means in any sort of context, because a lot of that,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: you know, it comes from nurture rather than nature.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: Like hell, we could really get into the weeds here.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: I know it is conceived.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: By a a man's genes who isn't doing anything wrong,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: and an adulteress.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: It's nurture versus nature and the fact that someone is
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: a rapist. It could be partially nurtured and partially nature.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: And it's like having a nose job doesn't mean that
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: your baby will will have the nose that you developed
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: after your notes.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: It doesn't change your DNA, And I don't think that
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: it's in anybody's DNA to be a criminal, uh, and
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: and not be able to help it, not be able
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: to I think everybody that ends up committing crimes had
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: a path between innocent baby and perpetration where things occurred
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: that changed the individual's character, and the individual made their
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: own decisions and adopted changes of character that led to
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: that perpetration. I don't think that if you eliminate that
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: path in the middle that the same the same outcome
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: would occur. But let's uh, let's go ahead and get
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: into the get back into the video. So we're going
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: to go back a couple of seconds here and just
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: repeat what was just said.
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  Speaker 8: Be motivated in cell killings in the United.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 7: Kingdom, around the world.
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  Speaker 6: Too many, of course, But in seldom doesn't appear to
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 6: be the phenomenon I thought it was. It's clear that
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 6: this documentary needs to take a different direction.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: And I like, I'm gonna point this out. This reaction
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be ignored. Right what he did here, of course.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 6: But in seldom doesn't appear to be the phenomenon I
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 6: thought it was. It's clear this documentary needs to take
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 6: a different.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: Think about that.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: He's not thinking, I'm telling you this this this man
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: expected a different answer than he got that, and and yes,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: he's an actor and he can fake that, but I
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: don't think he's faking that in this instance, because the
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: standard narrative is that there is an epidemic of killings
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: by in cells all over the world, and he just
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: got told information that clearly explains that there is not.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: He may be exaggerating his reaction, but I bet if
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: you stopped ten people who pay attention to politics a
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: little bit but just watch the mainstream media, and you
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: gave them that information, their reaction would range from calling
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: you a liar and a misogynist to what he just
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: did having to stop and think about, well, wait a minute,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: because I was told, I was old there were killings,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: there were lots of killings. I was told there would
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: be blood, and there was no blood.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: What his reaction as the presenter is not the paradigm
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: changing point. What was left in in the edit is
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: the paradigm.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: Is too much.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 10: The comments commentary, the fact that this clip was delivered
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 10: to the general populist, to the normally populist is what
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 10: has changed things.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: Because he's not here to actually think he's a fucking
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: soap opera actor. He's just he's just here as a
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: vessel of whatever the producers and the editors are here
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: to present. But the fact that this clip was presented
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: to the general public is what presents a paradigm changing shift.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: The fact that this was even allowed to be shown
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: to the not me. Yeah, populous because it because having
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: just watched the Louis Theroux documentary, Like, if this was
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: the Louis throu documentary, this would not have been shown.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: It would just have been seven to fifteen surely you
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: mean seven to fifteen million, Yeah, because he because it
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: wouldn't even be interviewing some unknown irishman who doesn't have
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: a million subscribers on Instagram. He would he would only
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: be interviewing the likes of fucking Sneako or fucking Milow Gains.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: He would only be interviewing the likes of rich cunts
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: who who live in a mansion with fucking five pools
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: as such. And and you know, good on well, I
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: say good on Ross Kemp, but good on the producers
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: in charge of this documentary that they're not just interviewing
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: filthy rich cunts who got into this game having already
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: been filthy rich. He actually interviewed this fucking Irish guy
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: whose name I don't even know. He's he seems to be.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: Do you do you remember the in Cell project?
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: No, Okay, that's how much. That's how much. That's how
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: much producers find me.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's uh. He worked with her on on some
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: things and uh, before the the creator involved in that,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: we had her on her here a few times non
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: the cads and and I believe that is a pseudonym,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: not her real name. But in any case, because I
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: had what terrible time finding her and and it ultimately
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: couldn't when she had she had a breakdown, and that
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: was and he tried to help me find her and
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: get her some help. She's how I kind of learned
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: that if you don't have a way of identifying an
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: individual very very well, it becomes damn near impossible to
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: get them help, even if they have a very public breakdown.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: And it's it's I don't know how to fix that,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: like without taking away the very important anonymity that people
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: have online. You know, it's it's you should be able
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: to be anonymous on the internet, But there does need
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: to be a way to get someone help if they
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: are in danger and the only people who know about
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: it are their Internet connections, like i'se two things are
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: incompatible and I don't know how to fix it.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: But but he he put in a lot of effort
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out a way to help and that
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: I'm very grateful. But yeah, he's he's done quite a
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: bit of investigation in this. He's not with Thmorando. He
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: might be to.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: You, but he's he's still he's still he what he's
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: still a feminist at.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he does. He does still have that going and
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: like he's not and he's not compatible with say, the
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: men's rights movement, but even as a feminist at heart,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: he still has shown compassion for for in cells, which
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: is something that most feminists don't do, and especially feminist
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: women don't do.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: Hym. He's in. He's in the feutive.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: He's recognized that there's a lot more nuanced than his
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: being bad at about in public.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: But he's in. He's in a feud with the entire
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: white side of the minister. So he's in a futive Well,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: isn't a feutive Tomato at the minute, because he's in
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: a feudif wining Stone, Troy France's uh Maron Gains and
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: the whole of other people that are on that side
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's the difficulty of engaging with like the
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: the pickup artist trad con overlap in in the manisphere.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: That's very real. Like even like I try to get
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: I try to at least be open minded to all
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: male perspectives in the movement, But I think that pick
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: up artistry is a very high risk endeavor for men
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: because you don't have to do anything wrong to be
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: falsely accused and believing I think believing that you can
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: manipulate women psychologically into behaving themselves accountably when women have
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: no social accountability and no legal accountability is like pretending
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: that you can handle heroin, like, oh, yes, I can
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: just take small amounts of that and it'll be okay. No,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: you can't. You'll eventually have something go wrong, you'll get
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: a tainted batch, you'll use too much, You'll your need
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: for it will increase beyond your ability to resist addiction. Whatever.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: With women, it's the same thing. Eventually, you're gonna run
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: across one who is just smart enough to see what
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: you're doing and fake being compliant with it or going
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: along with it until she can get what she wants
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: from you, or do what she wants to you and
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: then you're fucked.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: Pickup artists are the reasons why the UKs have the
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: most regarded laws. Yeah, the pickup artist was popular in
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: the UK and they made loss laws I guess in
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: parliament because it was that big. Because now you can't
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: be talked to women about Ganal WestEd oh, look at
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: them about Ghana West the pickup artist.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: The stupid thing is pickup artistry only works on women
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: who don't don't vet men for character, who are just
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: looking to get laid. It does not work on women
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: who want a partner who is going to be a
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: real partner to them and who are willing to be
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: a real partner to that man. So it does settlemen
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: with women that they are going to have to manage
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: for the rest of their lives if they get together
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: with them. It's a real problem, like it's and it's
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: I think. I think men have the right to make
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: their own choices just like women do, and if they
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: want to go that route, it is their choice. But
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: I will not stop criticizing it as an unwise choice.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: Halfway fit the video, by the way, yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: Halfway through the video and it's eight thirty. But yeah,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: this guy was shocked like this because the mainstream media
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: has lied so much about this that it's just automatically
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: expected that the answer is going to be signific vagantly higher.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: That was the point that I wanted to make when
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: I stopped it. Before we move on, there is a
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: super chow. Meredith GG was five dollars and said, HBr
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: talk three ninety three. The thing that no one wants
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: to talk about with regard to in cells is that
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: isolation and the very nature of their loneliness can drive
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: them toward ideologies that are very destructive. You will often
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: find that these guys run through multiple ideologies looking for meaning,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: and that's to be expected. You know, when you are isolated,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: when you are excluded, you're looking for a route to inclusion.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: In nations where Islamic terrorism is far more organized and
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: prolific and prevalent pervasive, they recruit from among men who
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: have no prospects. No one is trying to arrange a
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: marriage with them, and their job prospects are low. They're
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: they're not already uh inclusively participating in their community as
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: as a contributing member.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: They may be homeless, right, they may be jobless, they
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: may be uneducated. And we here and in the West,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: we we constantly are bombarded with this idea that it's
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: just women in the Middle East that are uneducated. But
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: if a man doesn't have money, you know, his kids
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: don't get to go to school either.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: It's not like in the US where you can be
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: on the verge of homelessness or even homeless and your
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: kids can still attend school and and the government is
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: paying for it. There are nations in the Middle East
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: where they're there are no schools or at least not elementary,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: or where their school isn't available unless you pay for it.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: And if you don't have the money, then your kids
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: don't go to school. Your kids work from the time
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: they're young. Child labor isn't rare, so quite a bit
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: is different, and I think a lot of people, I
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people understand that. So when
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: you see like Isis al Qaeda, various other like different
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: terror cells that have been talked about in the media
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: and have have been a threat to various nations over
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: the years. The men that are involved in those the
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: men that are the doers, the ones that are holding
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: the guns, firing firing off at people, the ones that
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: are doing kidnappings, the ones that are beheading people in
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: the desert, the ones that are wrapping bombs to themselves
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: and walking into people's weddings or political events and such
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: and blowing themselves up, committing suicide to take other people
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: with them. They are the in cells of that area.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: They're just not in forums talking about it, and they're
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: looking for meaning when they're recruited. And when you look
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: at the cartels down in South America that are selling
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: drugs and trafficking humans, the same thing, they're recruiting from
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: men who have no other hope. They're not recruiting doctors
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: and lawyers and CEOs of companies. They're recruiting men who,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: were they in more luxurious situated nations, would be sitting
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: in their basement on a laptop computer or in an
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: internet cafe talking about, you know, why they can't get
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: a girlfriend, why they can't get a job, why they
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: are having difficulty in school. Those are the guys that
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: are targeted by these ideologies. And if you think it's
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: not happening in your country because your country is more
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: first world than that, go look at how many of
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: the men in your military are single and don't want
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: to be Go look at how many of the men
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: in your military have been recruited because the only way
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: they can afford to get a post secondary education is
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: that the military will pay. They'll they'll they'll give them
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: grants for signing up to learn how to kill people.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: It's actually quite a thing. If you're too poor and
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: you can't get academic scholarships, and you don't have the
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: talent to get an athletic scholarship or a scholarship for
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: being artistic in some way, you know, the military doesn't
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: doesn't require those things of you. You simply join up
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: and they'll work you half to death and they'll teach
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: you how to kill people, and you're at risk of
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: being sent into a war zone. But they'll pay for
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: at least part of your post secondary education. And that's
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: who they're recruiting. And so what we're looking at in
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: this phenomenon isn't men who are looking for these forums
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: because they hate women and they just want to bitch
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: about them. It's men who run across these forums while
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: they're on a journey seeking some place to belong.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 7: So effectively, I have got everything wrong about themselves. I
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 7: think that they kill lots of girls globally and in
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 7: the United Kingdom. I think there are a threat, a
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 7: permanent threat to the security of this country. I think
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 7: there are hundreds of thousands of them. I think that
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 7: they are generally white and right leaning.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 11: Okay, Richard, before we go on, Yeah, I just watched
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 11: Tan Busfidious in my spare time.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not I'll only do anything for the most part, sir,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: and I'm black.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: So yeah, guys, I think you told me at some
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: point a couple of times that the the in cell
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: community is more black than white.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, under forums it's mostly white because but even though
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: deformers won by a black guy, that is, it's mostly
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: white people that on forums for the most part. But
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: in Celtra is like Asian and like Indian, Indian and
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: black guys mostly.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: So it seems like the representation that the media has
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: given where if you're an in cell it's your your you,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: you must be a an angry right wing white guy
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: sitting in your basement, you know, on a on a laptop.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: Most whatever, but insult, but most insults aren't really that angry,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: to be honest.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not the ones I've met. But but yeah, they
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: always say angry men right, angryment of the Internet.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: I think most insults haven't been down to the point
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: where the half apathy.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I think most of them are. I have
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: kind of decided that hope is not attainable, yep.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: And most of exited, most of exited society. I gave
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: up society. So most men insult men are have no
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: count society.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a phenomenon. We had talked about this
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: years ago occurring in Japan and the un woman Herber
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: woremen essentially the maorick Maury and and and they they
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: don't just not date. They also like in Japan, there
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: there was a cultural tendency to be on a particular track.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: You graduate your your high school and you go to
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: some form of post secondary educational training, and then you
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: get the highest paying job that you can possibly get.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of guys in Japan that
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: that do that. They end up working for exploitative corporations
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: that expect them the work sixteen hour days and it's eat, sleep,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: work for the rest of your life. And even if
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: you get married and you have a family, don't really
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: get to see them much. It's just eat, sleep, work,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: and you are supporting your wife and your kids in
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: what they do and then you die. And they're referred
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: to as salarymen that they work in an office and
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: they draw a salary and there if you were to
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: calculate their hourly rate that they would earn, it would
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: probably be abysmally low because of how many hours they
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: were expected to put in and how much they were
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: to sacrifice their individual selves for the good of their company,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: like the company owns you now because you've got a
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: job there.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: And.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: They're the The generation that started opting out of that
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: was gen X. Gen X started looking at that going
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: up now and so you see more adult men doing
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: taking whatever job will give them the you know, meet
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: their basic needs and uh and not you know, necessarily
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: support the family that they're not going to have, and
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: they go to work. They they do the minimum they've
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: got to do in terms of hours and such, and
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: then they go home and they just enjoy their lives.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: And it shocked Japan that men would behave that way
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: because they weren't treated like human beings with their own interests.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: They were they were treated like they had to be
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: owned by by these companies, and uh, when you throw
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: a you know, the the American workaholic culture into a
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: country with an honor culture like Japan, that kind of
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: thing is going to happen. And it basically turned them
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: into automatons. So it's it was kind of an inevitable
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: that this would happen. At the other end of it,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: you have this guinocentric subculture, you know, or sub sub
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: strain within their culture that it's very dishonorable for a
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: man to be viewed as butting up against women's interests,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: right and and and it's not just like in the US.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: If if someone accuses you as a as a dude
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: of being creepy or talking to a woman you shouldn't
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: be talking to or uh, bumping into a woman where
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: you shouldn't be bumping into her, saying something inappropriate, touching inappropriately,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: it becomes an argument before it ever reaches the point
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: of becoming reputational damage. But in Japan it's instant reputational damage.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: It does not matter if you are innocent. You've been
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: accused and that's enough. And there have been men that
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: have committed suicide over this. It is fatal in many
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: cases and it's so bad that to protect men just
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: as much as to protect women, they've had to in
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: their transit system, they've had to create train cars just
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: for women with no men on them, so that men
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: can write on train cars where there are not not
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of women, or maybe no women to
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: accuse them of groping because the train lurched one direction
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: or another, and everybody bumped into everybody, and women will
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: be hyper sensitive to even being touched. And it does
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: not take much to destroy a man's life with an
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: allegation of something as simple as groping in a circumstance
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: where he cannot deny that there was physical contact, and
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: he can only deny that it was intentional, or that
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: the location the contact occurred in, like her butt or
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: a breast, was intentional, or that he can deny that
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: it was his hand and not his briefcase, you know,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: like that. That kind of thing has destroyed men's whole
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: careers and families. So there men or young men have
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: responded a few gen xers, a lot more Millennials, and
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: even more zoomers by by simply opting out of the
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: entire culture of you know, graduate, go to school, go
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: to university, graduate university, get a job, work sixteen hours
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: a day till you die. And honestly, I don't think
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: it's a bad thing that they have made a change,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: and I hope eventually that they'll there will be the
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: pendulum will stop at some point where men and women
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: can work together to have families and happiness and not
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: be exploited by companies and not be at each other's throat.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: That's that's not going to happen independent of Funk is
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: going through hard.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks more like the population of Japan is
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: dying out. But I guess we'll see what happens. But
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: they've got efforts in underway now to increase their birth rates,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens. But right now, as it stands,
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: unless women shape up in particular, the pendulum is going
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: to swing so hard in the other direction that everything
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: that feminists have claimed they had to put a stop
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: to will seem like a reasonable measure to take in
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: order to stop women from causing men such havoc. Let's
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: see here, So.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 7: All those preconceptions that I have are wrong, many of them, Yes,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 7: And it's not your fault, Ross, because if you were
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 7: to just.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 8: Pay attention to the media that is most often put
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 8: out there about in cells. It often aspous is exactly
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 8: the stereotypical depiction that you bought into at the beginning.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 8: So don't be too hard on yourself. But there is
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 8: a lot of misinformation there about this topic that it's
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 8: really good to appeal to the research.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: And yeah, well yet again, whether it's in cells, MiG Tao,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: pick up artists, red pillars, the men's rights movement.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: There was a there was enough a scene after this
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: where he does the insult in mock up and it's
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: law football.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: That's funny. But regardless of which part of the matisphere
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: we talk about the media narrative. When you look past
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: what the media says and you examine the available evidence,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: the facts, the information that is true, they're they're lying.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: They're lying about every single facet of it. You have
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: to consider why they would want to do that. You
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: remember what I said about in cells in the military
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: and in cells in cartels, and in cells in uh
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: terrorist cells and so on, Like any group that's militant
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: exploits in.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: A number number a number of incense almost them as well.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: Yep, sorry, well you think about it, you. In Islamic
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: regimes where the government is run by the church by
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: it's not a church, but by the religion. Uh, it's
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: it's legal to have multiple wives. And if you have
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: a population that is pretty close to half and half
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: between men and women, but a small percentage of the
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: wealthiest and most powerful men are monopolizing a large percentage
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: of the women. That leaves a large percentage of men
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: who don't have any leftover women to to pick from
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: when seeking a partner. And at the same time, it's
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: illegal for them to be gay, and in many of
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: these nations they can be executed if not imprisoned. But
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: and and if not imprisoned, there's still at capture in
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: their society, So there are repercussions for that. So what
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: do they do? What do they have left but to
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: become a part of a military group or a militant group.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: What else is there for them?
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: And it's not it's very nice, it's very nice and
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: pleasant of this Irish guy to say to russ Kemp,
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: don't be too hard on yourself. Ross you've been pershed
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: in a certain direction by the media. And to some
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: degree he's right, pardon, but to some degree he is
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: being too nice. Yes, you have been pushed in a
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: certain direction by this, by this media conglomerate. And and
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: I'm not just talking about Fox News or CNN or
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: anything that you Americans might understand, as as as as
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: just this corporation that has been pushed in a monetary direction.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: We're talking about the UK up where where almost the
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: entire media has been pushed in whatever direction the government
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: tells it to go in, because that that is how
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: it works. It's it's it's not just the BBC that
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: has been pushed in the direction that the government tells
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: it to be pushed in. Given that the BBC is
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: a government entity, every broadcast media entity has been pushed
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 3: in whatever direction Offcom tells it too in which to
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: be pushed. The media conglomerate in Britain is a single
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: entity controlled by OFCOM. If you want to if you
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: want to publicize anything on any broadcast media, and that
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: includes anything on the television and anything on the radio,
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 3: it's all regulated by OFCOM, which is a government office,
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: the Office of Communication. And yeah, so I get where
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: he's coming from when he says, yeah, sorry, Ross, is
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: not your fault that you're doing what the government tells
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: you to do because you literally you're not allowed to
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: broadcast anything that the government does not allow you to broadcast.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, you know, like, yeah, you're
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: you're a puppet. Ross. I feel bad for you that
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: you're a puppet, But you know a lot of us
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: have broken out of of of of that puppet world.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: You know, I was in a position in my life
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: briefly where I could have where I was almost able to,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: you know, write for the BBC, or at least write
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: for Channel four, which is also under the remit of
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: of OFCOM. I was almost in that position, and I'm
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 3: kind of glad that I got rejected in the end,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: because God knows if I if I ever had to
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: submit to the rules of OFCOM, it would have been
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 3: awful because I would have kept submitting my scripts and
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: they would have kept getting rejected by OFCOM because they
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: were not progressive enough, i e. Not left wing enough,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: i E. Not icophobic enough, i e. Not purveying to
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: the absolute destruction of our nation. This is this is
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: me trying to dig down into what is not a euphemism,
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: because you know, in this country we are constantly buried
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: under all of these euphemisms. So what I mean, even
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: icophobia is a euphemism, even though it is it is
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: the natural descript that I try to use to describe
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: these this this series of euphemisms like this CLI correct
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: and progressive and woke and and yeah, I can see
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: how difficult it is for someone who works for broadcast
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: media to even break out of the paradigm that is
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: presented by everyone who was under the remit of offcom
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 3: and and yeah at this point it includes Netflix. I mean,
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: the British government is even at this point considering making
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: tax payers pay citizens considering, like even if all you
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: watch is Netflix, that you still have to pay the
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: the TV tax, Like yeah, that's that's how far they're
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: going with this, Like if you watch fucking anything on
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: your television or on your computer, the government is going
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: to make you pay the fucking TV license. Yes, that
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: includes Netflix, that includes whatever the fuck this Ross Kemp
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: documentary is going to be on, Like it's all under
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: the remit of what the fucking British government tells you
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: to do, under the guise of offcom. And so yeah,
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: I feel for you, Ross. This must fucking suck, Like,
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: like you you've been just a lowly actor on on
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: on on the most basic bitch fucking platform that we
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: call east Enders, this this soap opera that the BBC
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: is conducting. And then you thought you'd broken away by
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: doing these documentaries, but you're you're still under the remit
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: of ofcome because you have to do what what ofcom
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: tells you, just like that, you had to do, just
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: like your writers who told you what to say had
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: to do when they were working for offcom. And like
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 3: it sucks, man, you keep having to do what ofcom
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: tells you. It doesn't matter if you break away from
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: the BBC and you go to I TV. It doesn't
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: matter if you break away from i t V and
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 3: have to go to gb News, even though the BBC
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: is here telling everyone, oh, don't listen to gb News.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 3: There are all a bunch of right wing assholes. Meanwhile,
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: GBN News also still has to comply with what ofcom
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 3: tells them like that, and that's why we keep sort
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: of complaining that even GBN News has to has to
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 3: give the left wing opinion, even though the whole reason
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: GBN News ever existed was to give the alternative to
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: the fucking hardline communist remit that exists on every other channel.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 3: But this is what off come is for. It's it's
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: to let everyone know that you can't just you can't
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: just give people a right wing opinion. No no, no, no,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: you have to give them a left wing opinion as well.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: While they tell the BBC, oh, well, you can have
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: nine left winging people in the debate, but you have
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: to have one right wing person. And it's fucking zi usif,
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: if it's if it's question time, you need to have
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: nine people who were in favor of massive immigration forever,
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 3: but you need to have zi Usif on there, like
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 3: an immigrant who's ostensibly not in favor of infinite immigration forever.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: That's that's how it works on British broadcast television. It's
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: we pretend that we're giving both sides of the story,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: where what we're doing is giving the left wing side
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: of the story to the degree of ninety percent and
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 3: we have to feign a ten percent like right wing
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: side of the story when all it is is is
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 3: it is the very right part of the left wing.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 3: And that's it's difficult to describe this to my American friends.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: It's difficult to describe this to even my European friends,
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 3: because even my European friends don't quite understand just how
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 3: captured the British media is by the left wing. And
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: I wish I could find a less reductive description of
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: what's going on. Like it's like left wing doesn't doesn't
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 3: do it justice. It's we are ruled by people who
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: want nothing short of the complete destruction of our country.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 3: And yes, that could be described as left wing, but
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 3: like I say, that's reductive. We are ruled by a
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: cabal of our enemies. That's that's what that means. And
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: and yeah, this, this this Ross Kemp documentary is just
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 3: another example of that. And despite this clip that we've
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: been shown, like we've done this whole show on this
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: fucking one minute for of of something that we're we're
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 3: being we're being assured is this record scratch moment in
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: which in which some employee of of the British media
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 3: had had a moment of of pause, but.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 5: He didn't like this is this is all we've seen,
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 5: Like we're assuming that this documentary is gonna be uh,
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 5: it's gonna be a moment of pause in this pushing
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 5: of the Oaten window.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 3: It's not like mark my words, like I say this
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 3: having just watched the Louis Theroux documentary, like like it's
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be the same ship. It's gonna be the
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 3: same ship all over again, and we're gonna see nothing
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 3: but the same ship for fucking years before anything changes.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I'm stay tuned to Honeybudger Radio because we're
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 3: going to cover all this ship.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: It's a rough thing when you present information that contradicts
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: narratives that aren't just deeply believed but dearly held that
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: there's an emotional investment in the belief in that narrative.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: And the in cell narrative is intertwined with the male
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: disposability phenomenon, right, there has to be for people to
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: be comfortable with their lot in life, and especially women,
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: there has to be a segment of the male population
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: that is just beneath their notice. There has to be
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: a segment of the male population that is just disposable
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: to them, completely and utterly disposable. And it's a pathetic
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: way to look at people, not that the individuals being
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: looked at are pathetic, but that the looker is pathetic.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: I'm touching the infys to them and and I'm in
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: physible to most health perfusions as well.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: Yep, there they will you become an inconvenience. They act
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: like you're an inconvenience. And I've noticed I work with
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: people with intellectual disabilities and physical disabilities, and there's a
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: lack of patience the p A t I E n
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: c E not p A T I E n t s.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: There's a lack of patience that people in healthcare will
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: have with somebody who cannot perform normally in health care situations,
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: for instance.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: And it depends go ahead, sorry, it depends if that
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: it's looking on.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: That's true too, although even even somebody who looks normal,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: if if you have somebody that's that's trying to get
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: health information that you need somebody to do a thing
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: like you know, if you're going in to get your
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: heart checked, they may put you on a treadmill and
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: make you make you walk and then you know, maybe
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: jog on the treadmill until your heart rate gets up
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: to a certain amount. But there's other things like they
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: ask you to take a deep breath, or there's devices
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: that you might need to use. When I had when
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: my asthma was more severe than it is now, and
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: I had an inhaler. You have to be able to
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: attach it to the space or put spacer in your mouth,
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: squeeze at the right time, and then take a breath
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: on command, and all of those things you to do
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: those you have to be able to understand what that
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: means to do those things. So if you get somebody
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: who is so profoundly disabled that say, you might say
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: to them, take a deep breath, and they give you
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: a look like you just asked them to calculate the
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: the area inside the White House. Uh, you know, then
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: they're they're not going to follow that instruction. They don't
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: understand it. Or maybe they understand what you said, but
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: they don't know how to do what you said. They
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: can't associate it. Healthcare professionals that don't work with them
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: all the time that this is not their their standard
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: uh experience working with people. You know, normally you tell
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: somebody take a deep breath, and they know how to
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: take a deep breath, and they do it, they get
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: very impatient, Well, what am I supposed to do? What
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: am I supposed to do? Well, you have to find
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: an alternative way to get the information that you're trying
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: to get from the deep breath, you know. And and
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: sometimes that means that this person who wouldn't normally get
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: an X ray in this circumstance gets an X ray
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: or uh, you know, some other see through the body
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: type of test. Right, And that's that's just one example
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: of many. Some people can't stand up when they're they're
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: asked to stand up. Some people can't tolerate a blood
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: pressure cup cuff or an iv uh. And and so
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: what you end up with in that circumstance with people
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: with intellectual disabilities ranging from IQ to varying degrees of
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: autism and attention deficit disorder, where maybe sitting still is
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: not a possibility. Maybe they have been on a medication
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: that causes tart of dyskinesia and sitting still isn't even
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: under their control. You know, maybe they have Parkinson's and
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: sitting still isn't under their control. You know, like a
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: million different things can occur in the human body that
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: can make it difficult. I saw this with my dad.
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: My dad, after his heart attack, had his heart was
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: at twenty five percent of its natural function, and so
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: the circulation in his legs was terrible. So his legs
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: were not as strong as they would be expected to
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  Speaker 1: be for a man of his age and his size.
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  Speaker 1: And he was a big and tall man, so he
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: had difficulty standing up. It took effort. He had to
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: use his arms and his legs together in conjunction with
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: each other to move from a sitting position to a
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: standing position, and he could not do it rapidly. And
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: when he was in recovery from his last injury, he's
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: in a nursing and rehab center that was supposed to be,
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: you know, the local hoity toity nursing and rehab center
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: for the area where he lived. Like that you pay
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: to on top of, on top of Medicare or what
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: Medicare pays or your insurance to be there, and they
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: treated him like he was refusing to do things that
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: he physically was incapable of doing. There's a huge difference
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: between capacity and consent, and you're not refusing to do
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: something if it's physically not possible for you to do it.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: And he kept trying to communicate with them, I need
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: to be able to do it this way. I need
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: to be able to use my arms. I need to
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 1: work on both my arm and leg strength. I can't
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: separate them I need both at the same time to
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: stand up. And the women who were doing physical therapy
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: at that location refused to listen to him, and they
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: do have the capacity. Women do have the capacity to listen.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: I know it doesn't always seem like it. I know
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: we make it seem like we don't, but we do.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: We do have the capacity to consider what a man
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: says and adjust accordingly. And if if a woman doesn't
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: do that, it's by choice. They chose not to listen
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: to him. They chose not to consider his experience of
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: the physical therapy. They got frustrated with him, and they
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: treated him like he was being a disobedient patient because
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: he didn't run the standard patient software that they were
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: expecting our hardware for that matter, and that, in my opinion,
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: contributed to his death. And I told as much to
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: the umbudsman for the Elderly in Ohio when I called
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: her about the practices of that nursing home. And it's
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: something that most places don't expect, is for a family
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: member to know what to do when elder abuse is occurring.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if there was reform, but I
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: do know that that nursing home broke broke the law
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: with regard to their billing after the estate. The insolvent
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: estate was dealt with after that. As a means of
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: getting revenge against me what little they could, they've sent
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: me billing for that stay, even though once the estate
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: is settled they can't bill me. They've sent me billing
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: every month just to remind me. I get a monthly
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: reminder of my dad's death from that nursing home. So
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: because you know I told on them for being bad,
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: then that is That is essentially the way the healthcare
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: system treats people with disabilities. It is horrific if you're
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: not part of the system specifically designed to have compassion.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: And even if you are part of the system specifically
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: designed to have compassion, there's still a tendency of people
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: to get impatient. Somebody is having a bad day or
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: a bad moment. Somebody is failing to understand something that
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: they normally would understand. Maybe they didn't hear you correctly.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe their feet hurt today, maybe they don't feel good
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: and they don't know how to explain it to you,
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: or some people are nonverbal and can't tell you. Some
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: people don't know how to describe pain and can't tell you.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: So.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: And when it's men in particular, there's this ridiculous expectation
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: that they're just going to suck it up and drive
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: on because they're men. Like, they don't have the suck
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: it up mechanism. If they have certain disabilities or worse,
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: if they do suck it up, it's a detriment to
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: their care. And and yet they get treated like, you know,
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: soldier on, dude, we don't care if your like is
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: break it broken, get marching right. We don't care if
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: your mind is broken. Figure this out instead of oh,
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: you know what, it's my job to figure this out.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: Let me see what I can do. And these are
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: these are fields that are dominated by women. I'm a
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: direct support professional. Direct support professionals we get about three
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: weeks of basic training education in the field. We learn
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: first aid, we learn a few things about caregiving, and
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: not even as much really, Like, if you want to
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: be trained to be a nurse's aid, you get you
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: get taught how to give someone the bath in their bed,
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: and how to feed someone and you know, things like that.
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: You might get trained on how to pass medications. We
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: get trained on how to pass medications. But a lot
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: of it. You're just expected to know, you know, you
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: should know at least a little bit about how to
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: take care of another person, how to cook, how to clean.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: But because of that, it doesn't pay a lot, and
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: you don't get as many men doing that job because
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: they have to seek out jobs that will support their family.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: So it is a male dominated area, and there is
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: a female dominated area, and because of that, there's not
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of patients with male patients, and it is
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: a serious problem. Where I work. It's not so bad
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: like most of my most of my coworkers are I
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: would say they were different, but my company is different,
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: you know, and it's it's different in in in ways
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: that I can't really explain to you without outing them.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: And I don't want anybody harassing them, you know, if
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: they disagree with the things we say here, So I'm
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: not going to do that. But in my unfortunately extensive
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: experience with healthcare professionals in hospital settings and clinical settings
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: as a patient or caregiver for another patient, I can
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: say Richard is right. There's not a lot of compassion
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: for people with with intellectual disabilities, and especially not men
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: uh and and for men who are unattractive, so they're
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 1: not even it's not even uh, you know, cute and
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: vulnerable when when they have their difficulties to to most
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: people you know like it. It is really difficult to
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: get people to show them compassion. People act very differently
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: toward an uncooperative six foot tall, two hundred and fifty
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: pound man than they do toward an uncooperative five foot tall,
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: ninety pound woman who is adorable.
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 3: I feel cold out.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: There we go. It's okay, I'm not six week tall,
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: but I'm catching up with you. Unfortunately, I'm on my
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: way back down though, so it's all right. But with that,
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to get into another video
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: because it's twenty after nine. I completely lost that track
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 1: of time. I apologize, Brian.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 3: We've done very well to get through this much of
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 3: a show on a second video.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and here I thought I needed to have extra
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 1: material just in case.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 3: The show.
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 1: We put the talk in HBr talk. That's what it is.
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: But but the upshot of this is, you know, when
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: you see this stuff on the mainstream media, when you
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: see documentaries about insults and everything, your first question should be,
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: what are what are they trying to do. What are
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: they trying to manipulate me into Because this isn't just
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 1: about female victimhood. I know people will think it is,
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: but but female victimhood is is a key, it's not.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: It's not a an object in and of itself. Of
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: uh like, it's not the mcguffin, it's it's the key
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: to the box that holds the mcguffin. And the mcguffin
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: you have to look up what a mcguffin is, because
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to pull along discussion about Alfred heedgcock.
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: But the mcguffin is male disposability, right, and the exploitative
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 1: way in which society responds to male disposability. The attack
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 1: on in cells is a means of trying to keep
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: men disposable and cowed, afraid to be the reason for
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: female victimhood and to not be the reason for female security,
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: for those safety nets. So it's a way to ensure
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: that if there's a call for men to find their
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: sense of belonging in some militant, organized, contributing, or protective
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: group in their community, regardless of whether we're talking talking
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: like military and First World countries or cartels and terrorists
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: organizations in second and third world countries. That is the goal,
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 1: that is to make men more compliant with those calls
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: for service, And the only way to do that is
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: to demonize men who care about being excluded and about
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: having to be utilitarian, utilitarian to women and to be
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 1: approved by women in order to be included. Uh and
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: uh and yeah uh in our in our a vertical chat,
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: we have no I U DECKX volunteers followed by a number.
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: They hated him for being weak. That is a fully
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: accurate description. That is exactly the problem. They hated him
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: for being weak. When it's okay to abuse a man
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: because you hate him for being weak, then it becomes
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: easy to shove him into one of those service positions.
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 1: You must be a member of this cartel to be respected,
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: you must be a member of this which they wouldn't
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: consider themselves terrorist organizations. They would consider themselves to be
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 1: freedom fighters. Right, you must be one of these freedom fighters.
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 3: To the time, they they hate him for being strong. Yeah,
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 3: they hated Jesus telling the truth.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 5: Shut up, l.
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: And then we learned that you love thy neighbor includes
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: all men, and not just the cute ones, not just
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 1: the chads, not just the men that are doing something
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: for you. This is going to continue, So don't let
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: the mainstream media convince you that these guys are the problem.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: These guys are the symptom. Lack of compassion for men
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 1: is the problem with that? I think, Yeah, I think
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 1: that's the only super anything that I had.
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 2: An I just watched training, But again I just watch
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 2: training and bust. Yes the number I just watched YouTube
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: for tests all day? Yeah, yep. Yeah.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: YouTube actually has, by the way, quite a great selection
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 1: of trained Is anybody else out there that likes to
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: watch train videos? There's one channel, uh that that I
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: particularly like that the there's a lot of the videos
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: like it's an older channel. Mike Armstrong has quite a
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: quite a selection. There's several others. There's a whole if
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 1: you just look up the genre train videos. You can
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: also find videos of first responder vehicles on the street,
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: like ambulances, fire trucks, police cars, stuff like that. Uh,
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: there's there's a whole genre of construction vehicles at work
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that are a lot of fun to watch.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 3: You name a subject, there will be a YouTube channel
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 3: devoted entirely to that niche subject.
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but some of them are crap, like how to
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 1: make yourself look different than you really you had to
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 1: trick people into thinking you're prettier than you really. But
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 1: but like the the videos of construction.
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 2: And go ahead, you gotta sift through the crap.
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you do have to sift through the crap.
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 3: Exactly, but you'll find the gets and the diamonds.
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 1: There's videos of jets taking off and landing in airports,
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of fun to watch. And there are also
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 1: videos in the cockpit showing like all the prep and
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: all the stuff that that they do before taking off
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: and then the takeoff and then the landing and the
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 1: post landing checks and everything they have to do. Uh,
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of fascinating stuff. I actually once watched
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 1: a whole video on the various types of washers, not
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 1: like clothes washers, but those little discs that you put
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 1: in between a bolt and the thing that you're bolting to.
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 1: Uh that I had no idea. There were so many
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: different types and so many different purposes is for them, Like,
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 1: it makes you really appreciate the genius of men that
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 1: they've figured out all of these different things. You have
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 1: machine job videos like you can watch any and all
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: that stuff is really interesting, but most people don't watch it.
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 3: And if you want to learn how to use any
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 3: kind of software, then there's a video. You can find
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 3: a tutorial.
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: And if you want to fit your car, there's a video.
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 3: It's very often an Indian gentleman. And whatever you say
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 3: about Indians, it's always a gentleman. Yeah, it's never a woman,
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: No, no, women, women don't seem to similarly like almost
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: every I don't think I've run across a train channel
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 1: run by a woman. Either a lot of times it's
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 1: a father and son or an older gentleman. And you know,
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 1: like not somebody in in the twenty something age group,
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: but like more like the fifty sixty years age group.
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 2: Very very cool and then mostly.
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 1: Literally a little bit, yeah, at least a little bit.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 3: We've all got bad things to say about Indians, we've
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 3: all got bad things to say about Africans, but you know,
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 3: the men have good things to say. You can't say
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 3: that about the women. And it's the same with white women.
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 3: It's the same with women.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 1: If any, they're busy making tutorials about how to curl
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: your eyelashes exactly we did, little tiny, no, no, you
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 1: don't use a tiny curling iron, use something that looks
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 1: like a sato masochistic torture device. But with that I
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 1: will say thank you all for listening, Thanks to my
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 1: co hosts for the great discussion, Thanks Brian for putting
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 1: up with how long we've gone over time, and good
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: night all