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Ohio State Fall Camp Insider: 5 Things To Watch On Defense · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: August is tomorrow. There is a sure sign that Ohio
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Speaker 1: State football right around the corner a month with the
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Speaker 1: first Ohio State football game just one day away, that
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Speaker 1: first game thirty days away, fall camp starting today. There
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Speaker 1: is a ton to talk about as we head into
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Speaker 1: fall camp. We talked on yesterday's show about the things
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Speaker 1: on offense we were most interested in seeing. Today we're going
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Speaker 1: to do defense, and if you want to talk some
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Speaker 1: special teams, we can talk some special teams as well.
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Speaker 1: Are going to be doing all that with our buddy
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Speaker 1: Tony Gardiman at bucke Huddle dot com. He said he
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Speaker 1: was going to go on strike if he wasn't given
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Speaker 1: the option to talk about Ohio States, not one, but
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Speaker 1: two Australian punters, Tony, let's start with people from North America.
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Speaker 1: What are you most interested to see on the defensive
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Speaker 1: side of the ball in fall camp?
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Speaker 2: Well, first, good day, mate, thank you for having me here.
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Speaker 2: This will be our first look at bo Atkinson, who
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Speaker 2: got to Ohio State after spring, so kind of interested
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Speaker 2: in seeing how he looks, you know, compared to you,
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Speaker 2: like size wise, Is he's a big kid, Does he
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Speaker 2: look big, does he look slow? You know, those sorts
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Speaker 2: of things. And I seem he's gonna be mixing in
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Speaker 2: with the wants and twos like all veteran, like all
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Speaker 2: like all five of those defensive ends will but this
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Speaker 2: is gonna be our first look at him, see how
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Speaker 2: well he moves and you know, again there are no
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Speaker 2: pads at this point, but still it's we've not seen
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Speaker 2: him yet, and so all we've seen is stuff from
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Speaker 2: from YouTube basically in North Carolina game. So that's the
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Speaker 2: first thing I'm thinking about, is getting that baseline and
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Speaker 2: then okay, that's what he looks like today. What does
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Speaker 2: it look like when he's you know, even more comfortable
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Speaker 2: and when the pads are on? I don't know that
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Speaker 2: we'll get to see him with the ads around before Texas,
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Speaker 2: but that's that's one of the first things I'm thinking about,
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Speaker 2: is just getting to see him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think of all the people who are expected
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Speaker 1: to be significant contributors for this year's team, he's the
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Speaker 1: only one we didn't get a real good close look at.
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Speaker 1: In the spring. You got freshmen who were coming in,
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Speaker 1: and you had a couple of guys who were banged up,
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Speaker 1: but not necessarily guys who were really expected to be
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Speaker 1: major players. He was a post spring portal edition, and
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Speaker 1: a very very big one. I'm interested in asking him
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Speaker 1: about Bill Belichick and what how that how that all went.
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Speaker 1: I bet it went well, because that's why he left.
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Speaker 1: Now we'll we'll maybe get a chance to ask him
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Speaker 1: about that. But man, yeah, he was right at the
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Speaker 1: top of my list as well, just because of all
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Speaker 1: the people who are going to be probably playing significant
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Speaker 1: roles this fall, he's probably the single biggest unknown, at
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Speaker 1: least in terms of what we've seen in person. I don't,
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how much of a known
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Speaker 1: you feel like Julian Sayan is or Lincoln Kinghols is,
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Speaker 1: but you know, in terms of just guys we have
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Speaker 1: not seen. He is probably the one who's expected to
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Speaker 1: play the biggest role this fall. See. I think that's
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Speaker 1: that's a good one to me. If once you get
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Speaker 1: past that, I'm going to stay on the defensive line
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Speaker 1: and say what do things look like in the interior
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Speaker 1: that defensive line behind Kate McDonald and Edric Houston, because
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Speaker 1: that was coming out of the spring the biggest question
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Speaker 1: for Ohio State. And you sort of heard some encouraging
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Speaker 1: rumblings about Will Smith Junior, about Jason Moore, you know,
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Speaker 1: maybe Taiwan Malone. I want to see it. I want
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Speaker 1: to see what it looks like, cause that felt like
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Speaker 1: coming out of Spring boy, if they could add someone
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Speaker 1: in the portal, that would be a really good place
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Speaker 1: to do it. And they couldn't do it. They're just
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Speaker 1: there wasn't the player that they were looking for in
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Speaker 1: the portal, so they couldn't do it. So you you
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Speaker 1: have to make would do with what you got on
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Speaker 1: your roster. And you can absolutely see a ton of
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Speaker 1: growth from guys between spring and fall camp. That happens
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Speaker 1: all the time. But who's going to do it? Who's
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Speaker 1: going to be the guy that takes that step because
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Speaker 1: they need one or two guys to take that step. Again,
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Speaker 1: we're going to get to watch them without pads on,
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Speaker 1: so you know, interior offensive line play and defensive line
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Speaker 1: play is not going to be super megaphysical the first
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Speaker 1: couple of days. But I'm going to be looking for
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Speaker 1: any you know, any kind of hint in terms of
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Speaker 1: how we got you know, what, what order are guys.
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Speaker 1: You know, who's working with the two's, who's working with
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Speaker 1: the threes, whatever, who's lined up? Where has anyone shifted
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Speaker 1: from three tech to nose or vice versa. Just any
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Speaker 1: kind of inkling in terms of what do they You
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Speaker 1: can get happy talked, but you know, they will show
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Speaker 1: you what they think you can They'll tell you whatever
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Speaker 1: they want to tell you, but they will show you
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Speaker 1: what they think. I want them to show me what
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Speaker 1: they think is going on in the depth of that
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Speaker 1: defensive line.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was something similar that I have here,
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Speaker 2: which is when we see anything from will Smith Junior,
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Speaker 2: because that's the name that Ryan Day brought up unprompted
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Speaker 2: at Big ten Media Days, and it's the name that
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Speaker 2: Sunny Styles brought up on prompted at Big ten Media Days.
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Speaker 2: And then also this past week he was one of
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Speaker 2: the three Dudes of the week in the in the
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Speaker 2: Ohio State weight Room. So that's always good when you're
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Speaker 2: being recognized for the off field stuff and on field stuff.
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Speaker 2: So that's because if they can get him to not
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Speaker 2: even just be a backup for Kate McDonald because he
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Speaker 2: played nose. I think he's played nos most of his career.
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Speaker 2: He's not a big guy. He's getting bigger, clearly, but
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Speaker 2: Larry Johnson doesn't really care about how big the nose
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Speaker 2: tack is. If he likes him and he's got this
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Speaker 2: sort of quickness that he likes, I'll go ahead and
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Speaker 2: put him there. And so can he be that number
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Speaker 2: two guy and clearly be that number two guy? Because
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Speaker 2: on Taiwan Malone Jason Moore, they both gotten some time
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Speaker 2: at three Tech, and we'll see if one of those
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Speaker 2: two guys can clearly be the guy and get into
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Speaker 2: their rotation. But as you said, they need somebody, and
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Speaker 2: right now the popular name is Will Smith, and I
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Speaker 2: will say none of the freshmen were brought up that
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Speaker 2: I'm aware of this past week in Las Vegas at
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Speaker 2: Big ten Media Days, So not that that's a bad thing.
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Speaker 2: It's just one of those things that if you're you're
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Speaker 2: counting on that or waiting for that, it didn't happen.
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Speaker 2: And sure, there's a long time to go between now
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Speaker 2: and Texas, but it looks like it's going to have
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Speaker 2: to be the older guys. Will Smith Junior, the older
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Speaker 2: guy who's a third year guy.
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Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, and you wouldn't expect a true freshman to
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Speaker 1: be able to step in. We have certainly talked about
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Speaker 1: guys who you know, if it's going to be someone,
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Speaker 1: it might be this guy. But that can also be
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Speaker 1: a think about how long these guys have been at
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Speaker 1: Ohio State. The amount of time that has elapsed since
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Speaker 1: spring ball is almost as long as the amount of
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Speaker 1: time they were here from when they arrived to the
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Speaker 1: end of spring ball, and then the amount of time
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Speaker 1: between now and the end of the season is almost
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Speaker 1: that long again, so you can have relatively significant jumps
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Speaker 1: between now and the start of the season, between now
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Speaker 1: and the end of the season, so those guys may
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Speaker 1: work themselves into the depth chart more. But you're right,
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Speaker 1: this is one of these things where we can kind
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Speaker 1: of read the tea leaves. If you ask about, hey,
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Speaker 1: how is this guy by name doing and you get
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Speaker 1: an answered, there's like, oh good, that doesn't mean as
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Speaker 1: much as if unprompted, you know, you say who's looking
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Speaker 1: good and you hear the same name from multiple people.
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Speaker 1: That was the Will Smith thing at Big ten media
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Speaker 1: days last week. So that's that's one of those things
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Speaker 1: where you kind of go, Okay, let me write this
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Speaker 1: down because this is generally an indicator that you were
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Speaker 1: going to see a guy who's taken kind of that
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Speaker 1: next step. So I'm going to be interested to see
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Speaker 1: what that looks like on the field. So all right,
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Speaker 1: your turn.
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Speaker 2: How about this one? I want to see how Aaron
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Speaker 2: Scott and Devin Sancho's hold up at corner. I think
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Speaker 2: we'll see both of those guys mixing in with the ones.
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Speaker 2: They did ones and twos in the spring and looked
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Speaker 2: pretty decent. But does this become a situation where even
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Speaker 2: out of camp there is going to be a rotation
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Speaker 2: where it's not just going to be Jermaine Matthews and
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Speaker 2: Davison Iguanosen. Can one of these two guys make enough
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Speaker 2: of a jump and get in there, Because I think
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Speaker 2: in any normal year, like if this, if these were
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Speaker 2: your two starters, it'd be like, well, okay, you know,
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Speaker 2: we'll see how that goes and feel like things are
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Speaker 2: going to get better as the season goes on. I did.
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Speaker 2: I think Devin Sanchez posted on Instagram. You know we
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Speaker 2: talked about the too deep. He posted a picture of
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Speaker 2: himself that said one deep, which I think that's Tremendous's
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Speaker 2: that's the cornerback confidence that you absolutely have to have
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Speaker 2: where it's just like, yeah, I am behind nobody, and
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Speaker 2: for a true freshman he is. He's the prototype corner.
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Speaker 2: But he's young and so he's going to get older
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Speaker 2: in fall camp. Let's see what he can do. And
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Speaker 2: of course Aaron Scott's not going to back down from
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Speaker 2: anybody and he's going to battle. So I'm looking forward
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Speaker 2: to watching those two not just compete with them against
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Speaker 2: each other, but competing against these really, really good Ohio
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Speaker 2: state wide receivers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good one. I had that one on
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Speaker 1: my list as well, because this is we have seen
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Speaker 1: true freshman corners play for Ohio State. Denzel Burke did
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Speaker 1: it in twenty twenty one, step right right onto campus
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Speaker 1: and was boom starting day one. That was a year
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Speaker 1: where that was not good news that was a well,
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Speaker 1: someone has to be the starting cornerback, and yeah, you
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Speaker 1: don't want it to be a true freshman, but this
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Speaker 1: is what we got. So he's he's the best option.
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Speaker 1: So there you go. This year. You've got two guys
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Speaker 1: outside who are relatively proven entities. And you know, I know,
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Speaker 1: Davis nig Minosen triggers a certain response and a certain
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Speaker 1: subset of the Ohio State fan base. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: be fascinated to see how he looks this fall. But
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Speaker 1: he had, you know, he had a pretty good season.
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Speaker 2: He had.
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Speaker 1: He i think got a little bit of the JB.
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Speaker 1: Shugert's full false starts thing where everyone is looking for it.
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Speaker 1: So there every time it happened, it was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: here we go again, and in a way that probably
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Speaker 1: you wouldn't with other guys. And you know, he also
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Speaker 1: had one of the greatest plays of the season, that
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Speaker 1: interception right before halftime at Penn State. And he played
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Speaker 1: pretty darn well in the College Football Playoff and was
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Speaker 1: not flagged I think in the last couple of games.
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Speaker 1: He played pretty well throughout the college football playoffs. So
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Speaker 1: between him and Jermaine Matthews, who this is his first
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Speaker 1: time as a real starter, but he was basically, you know,
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Speaker 1: considered more or less a starter last year as well.
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Speaker 1: You feel like you got a pretty good sense that, okay,
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Speaker 1: the baseline there is pretty good. So if you if
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Speaker 1: they feel like an Aaron Scott and or a Devin
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Speaker 1: Sanchez is at the spot where there's you know, at
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Speaker 1: the point where there's not really a drop off from
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Speaker 1: those guys who are the ones down to the guys
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Speaker 1: who are the apparently also ones, then that's that's a
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Speaker 1: really really good sign. You know, sometimes starting a freshman
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Speaker 1: at corner could be a bad sign this year, if
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Speaker 1: there aren't injuries, I think that would potentially be a
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Speaker 1: very very good sign for Ohio State that those you know,
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Speaker 1: Devin Sanchez and or Aaron Scott, who obviously is not
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Speaker 1: a freshman this year, that those guys would have taken
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Speaker 1: that step up to be at that level. The other
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Speaker 1: thing that I wanted to look at on defense, and
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Speaker 1: this is, you know, this is probably a little bit obvious.
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Speaker 1: We know Caleb Downs is going to be one of
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Speaker 1: the safeties. Who else is going to be playing safety
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Speaker 1: with them? Because you got a couple of real good
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Speaker 1: options and you've got you know, you've got McClain back there,
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Speaker 1: you got hard Ford back there. Those are guys who
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Speaker 1: maybe do some different stuff, which means you can potentially
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Speaker 1: shift Caleb Downs from one safety position to another, or
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Speaker 1: have him really mix up what he's doing and throw
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Speaker 1: some you know, throw a monkey wrench, leap into what
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Speaker 1: the offense is thinking they're going to get. And you
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Speaker 1: can also just where do you think the ball is
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Speaker 1: going to go? Caleb Downs can be there. He can
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Speaker 1: be your guy in that spot. You think they're going
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Speaker 1: to run the ball, well, okay, he can be your
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Speaker 1: box safety on this one. You think they're going to
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Speaker 1: throw the ball deep, well, you can be your deep
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Speaker 1: safety on this one. You can kind of put take
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Speaker 1: him and put him where you think he will be
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Speaker 1: most useful on that play. And with as good as
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Speaker 1: he is, that is potentially a really really useful tool
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Speaker 1: for new defensive coordinator Matt Patricia.
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Speaker 2: I'm also interested to see if those three safeties all
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Speaker 2: play together and you see Caleb Downs at Jayleen McLain
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Speaker 2: getting some time at Nickel that way, or however they
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Speaker 2: want to do it with.
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Speaker 1: The dime or whatever.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm interested to see because I was one
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Speaker 2: of the ones I had listed as well, where Caleb
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Speaker 2: downs lining up, and who's next to him this time,
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Speaker 2: that time, the next time, the fourth time, and how
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Speaker 2: much are Jalen McClain and Malie Carford mixed in with
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Speaker 2: the ones? And are they always at the same spot
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Speaker 2: or they moving around? And that's that gets tough to
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Speaker 2: keep track of when you can't always tell necessarily where
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Speaker 2: the hash is and who's the field and who's the
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Speaker 2: boundary and things like that, so it gets moving pretty quickly.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I want to watch those guys. And the
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Speaker 2: last thing I have here is something I'm looking forward
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Speaker 2: to finding out Ford seeing is a thing you don't expect,
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Speaker 2: like who just comes out of nowhere? Who's who becomes
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Speaker 2: like like Jayalen McLain last year kind of in the spring,
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Speaker 2: like everybody was speaking really highly of them. So that
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Speaker 2: sort of thing is somebody just come out and they
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Speaker 2: are well, now we need to factor him in and
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Speaker 2: we need to talk about him, you know, and not
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Speaker 2: even a starter like Edwrick Houston, but just somebody kind
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Speaker 2: of out of the blue where it's like, well, this
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Speaker 2: is an addition, this is a September call up, This
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Speaker 2: is an August call up basically because we weren't planning
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Speaker 2: on it. But he's going to play his way into
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Speaker 2: some sort of a rotation.
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Speaker 1: And that's yeah, that's a good one. That's that's a
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Speaker 1: sort of evergreen standby where you go in thinking, oh,
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Speaker 1: how many Yeah, it feels like you have you we
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Speaker 1: know everything it's going to happen, and then there's always
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Speaker 1: there's always something that comes. It got someone who plays
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Speaker 1: their way into a bigger role. The positional change you
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Speaker 1: don't see comming. Yeah, so we'll be we'll be watching
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Speaker 1: all that stuff we do, Tony, we do. We should
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Speaker 1: hit special teams. I'm going to do you the great favor.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to take the kicking position for a eight
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Speaker 1: and leave you, you know, whatever else you'd want to
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Speaker 1: talk about on special teams. Buckey's obviously Jaden fielding back
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Speaker 1: after last season. He had you know, he had the
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Speaker 1: misses against Michigan, and I think that's all that anyone
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Speaker 1: remembers about his season other than maybe the National Championship
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Speaker 1: ceiling kick against Notre Dame. He was banged up during
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Speaker 1: last season, so you figure he's going to be better
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Speaker 1: this year. They also this is something we've talked about,
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Speaker 1: but I don't know how much people remember. They did
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Speaker 1: bring in a transfer kicker, Jackson Corville, who was pretty
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Speaker 1: darn at Ball State before before he came over to
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Speaker 1: Ohio State. He was another post spring edition, so we
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Speaker 1: really didn't get a chance to see him this spring.
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Speaker 1: So he will be another one that I'm interested to see.
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Speaker 1: What does that kicking battle look like? Is this something
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Speaker 1: where are they going to have a short kicker and
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Speaker 1: a long kicker where Corville he has hit kicks longer
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Speaker 1: than fifty yards, which Jaden Fielding is not in games.
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Speaker 1: So is this going to be a short kicker long
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Speaker 1: kicker thing? Is it going to be a battle for
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Speaker 1: the kicking the starting kicking position. See how that all
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Speaker 1: plays out. But you know, Tony, anything else that you
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Speaker 1: can think of in terms of special teams that you're
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Speaker 1: maybe interested in.
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Speaker 2: Seeing consistency from Nick McClarty. Although to say consistency if
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Speaker 2: he's if the punters are booting the ball, If they're
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Speaker 2: inside and booting the ball like they should, it hits
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Speaker 2: the rafters. So you don't really have any idea of
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Speaker 2: how far or any hang time or anything like that.
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Speaker 2: But when they're outside. Yeah, just see, let's see some
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Speaker 2: consistency from him. We all, we know all of the
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Speaker 2: guys that are going to be like back there returning punts.
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Speaker 2: We'll have seven or eight guys, but only really two
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Speaker 2: or three of those guys are actually going to be
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Speaker 2: in the mix come time to play the actual games.
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Speaker 2: But I think we know what Joe McGuire is and
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Speaker 2: it's pretty steady. Let's see if Nick McClarty, because again,
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Speaker 2: I remember he was going to be the starting punter
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Speaker 2: until about the final week of camp last year. Ryan
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Speaker 2: da had said it and then he wasn't. And so
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Speaker 2: if it doesn't seem like he's that far off, and
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Speaker 2: let's see if now he's ready to take it over.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, in this spring he talked about the fact that
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Speaker 1: he just wasn't quite ready. He wasn't ready for the
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Speaker 1: level of performance and the consistency of performance that you needed.
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Speaker 1: I think the high end there is going to be
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Speaker 1: higher than it is with Joe McGuire. But Joe McGuire,
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Speaker 1: Ohio State wanted consistency. Joe McGuire gave them consistency, did
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Speaker 1: a very nice job and you know, was everything they
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Speaker 1: needed him to be. Last year we'll see how the
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Speaker 1: battle for the starting punting pit job goes this year.
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Speaker 1: But it is you know, I think Nick McClarty. Everyone
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Speaker 1: has seen the video at this point of him kicking
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Speaker 1: the ball out of the stadium in Australia, like literally
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Speaker 1: kicking the ball out of the stadium. So you know,
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Speaker 1: if you can do that consistently, consistently, boy, you become
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Speaker 1: an absolute national legend in certain corners of the college
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Speaker 1: football Internet. But you got to be able to do
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Speaker 1: it consistently, otherwise you can't get on the field. So
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Speaker 1: we will see that, and we'll see all the other
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Speaker 1: stuff we talked about on yesterday's show on today's show.
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Speaker 1: That will all start today as we head out to
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Speaker 1: the Woody Hayes Athletic Center Thursday morning to watch the
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Speaker 1: Buckeyes ball practice Number one. We'll have a report immediately
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Speaker 1: after the game or after the practice we'll have That
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Speaker 1: will be tomorrow's morning show. You're going to hear all
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Speaker 1: about an honest to goodness Ohio State football practice. Yes,
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Speaker 1: ball camp finally here, and then we'll have a couple
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Speaker 1: of Buckeye weekly shows coming for you after Friday's show
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Speaker 1: or after Friday's practice after Saturday's practice. It's going to
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Speaker 1: be a ton to talk about as we get a
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Speaker 1: first hand look at this year's Ohio State football team.
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Speaker 1: They count down like a month away from the start
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Speaker 1: of the season. I can't wait. I'm looking forward to
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Speaker 1: that a lot. There's gonna be a lot to talk
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Speaker 1: about over the next month. We would love to talk
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Speaker 1: about it all with you at bucke huddle dot com
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Speaker 1: where we have our whole team covering the Buckeyes. We
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Speaker 1: got our recruiting experts, we got our exits and those guys.
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Speaker 1: We got a really fun and active board on the
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Speaker 1: huddle board presented by Jeff Ruiz, Columbus. It is all
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Speaker 1: at bucke huddle dot com. We hope to see you there.
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Speaker 1: That'll do it for today. Thank you guys all for
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Speaker 1: joining us.
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Speaker 2: Have a great day.
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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you tomorrow.