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Bears-Patriots Preview, NBA Overreactions, 25 Years of PTI with Tony Reali · Not So Fast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Not So Fast with Andrew Perloff and Paul Pabst,
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  Speaker 1: where two longtime friends challenge each other on the biggest
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  Speaker 1: sports stories of the day. Here's Andrew Perloff and Paul Pabst.
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  Speaker 2: Not so fast, my friends.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Not So Fast. I'm Andrew Perloff. He's Paul Pabst.
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  Speaker 3: We've got some big announcements coming today. NBA, NHL, football. Paul,
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  Speaker 3: what's coming up?
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  Speaker 4: A full slate of NBA last night. We're going to
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  Speaker 4: overreact just a little bit. It's better than week one
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  Speaker 4: NFL overreaction. Game one NBA overreaction. We've got a really
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  Speaker 4: saucy Thursday night matchup. And bonus coverage, Tony Reale stopping
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  Speaker 4: by PTI around the horn.
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  Speaker 5: Reale right here.
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  Speaker 3: Amazing. A big anniversary for PTI. Okay, let's jump into
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  Speaker 3: tonight's game. Paul is a Chicago Bears fan, if you
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  Speaker 3: don't watch the show, and it's Bears-Patriots. To me, Paul,
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  Speaker 3: this feels like a we're going to find out where
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  Speaker 3: these teams are game. If the Bears do not, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to take it a step further, if the
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  Speaker 3: Bears can't beat the Patriots, who are injury-riddled at home,
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  Speaker 3: then I'm really worried about Chicago.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Thursday night, it's always a referendum game. Two teams
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  Speaker 4: that are 4-2, they could step up, step back, as
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  Speaker 4: we like to say. But it is one of those
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  Speaker 4: things where Both teams have had a lot of issues
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  Speaker 4: in the month of September and early October. Drake May specifically,
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  Speaker 4: not so much a team, but their quarterback. Caleb Williams
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  Speaker 4: was an injury, but he got jabbed for his injury
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  Speaker 4: and how he handled it, and the defense did nothing
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  Speaker 4: to help the team out.
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  Speaker 5: So it's two teams.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know where you get into the quarterbacks in
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  Speaker 4: a second, but right off the bat, I'd like to
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  Speaker 4: ask you, before tonight's game starts, can you picture either
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  Speaker 4: of these two teams in.
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  Speaker 5: The Super Bowl as of now?
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  Speaker 3: One of them, I can. I can picture the Bears.
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  Speaker 5: In that division, because it's a bloodbath to get out
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  Speaker 5: of there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's going to be a very, very even
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  Speaker 3: NFC playoffs because... The NFC East is out. They're done.
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  Speaker 3: The NFC South is out. I don't care if Bryce
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  Speaker 3: Young is playing well. So you've got the NFC North
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  Speaker 3: and the NFC West. Now, Minnesota will drop off because
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  Speaker 3: they don't have good offense.
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  Speaker 5: You don't like Minnesota at all?
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  Speaker 3: No. I mean, if they make the playoffs, they'll get
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  Speaker 3: beat like they did with Kirk Cousins as quarterback. Green
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  Speaker 3: Bay always has injury problems. If they can stay healthy.
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  Speaker 3: And then Detroit, Sean's Ben Johnson doesn't scare me, and
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  Speaker 3: their defense is still terrible. So Chicago, to me, is...
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  Speaker 3: should win this division. They have no excuse not to.
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  Speaker 4: I look at Detroit with that defense as they're going
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  Speaker 4: to be going uphill. Minnesota just seems mildly threatening, but
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  Speaker 4: 5-0 is hard to ignore. Green Bay getting Josh Jacobs
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  Speaker 4: back and playing really well the past couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 4: To me, that would be my concern if I were
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  Speaker 4: the Bears.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree with that. But then you get
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  Speaker 3: the NFC West. The thing that Chicago should be excited
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  Speaker 3: about is that the Rams have fallen off their two
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  Speaker 3: and four. The Seahawks do not look like the defending champion.
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  Speaker 3: They just played too long in the last offseason. They're
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  Speaker 3: going to be hurt. And then the Niners are old
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  Speaker 3: and we're already seeing the injuries pile up. Mike Evans
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  Speaker 3: with his Achilles, Debo Samuel, you go down the list.
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  Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey's older running back.
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  Speaker 4: So you're saying there's not a heavyweight that the Bears
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  Speaker 4: have to go through because it would have been the
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  Speaker 4: Rams or the Seahawks.
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  Speaker 3: Well, right now I think the Niners are the heavyweight.
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  Speaker 3: But I think the Bears, if they could stay healthy.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the issue for both these teams is can
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  Speaker 3: they stay healthy.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, the Bears last week, Caleb Williams has 300 yards.
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  Speaker 4: On paper, it seemed like a really good game. But
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  Speaker 4: then people started chopping it up and saying he was
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  Speaker 4: throwing the ball right around the line of scrimmage, a
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  Speaker 4: lot of dump passes, screen passes. Was that a calculated
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  Speaker 4: effort to keep him away from the pass rush?
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  Speaker 3: Of course, and it is the best thing that could
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  Speaker 3: ever happen to Cal Williams. Ben Johnson's been dying for
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  Speaker 3: him to play a little more like Jared Goff.
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  Speaker 5: On platform, as they say.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, a little more like Jared Goff, a little less
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  Speaker 3: like Cam Ward. In college, Cal Williams can run around
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  Speaker 3: like crazy, and he's been doing it in the NFL
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  Speaker 3: as well. But the offense, I think, would be overall better.
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  Speaker 3: If they could establish that consistent running game that they've had,
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  Speaker 3: a couple injuries with the running backs, and that short
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  Speaker 3: passing game, they'd be dangerous. I love this for the Bears.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I think a lot of people do, too, because,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Caleb Williams, more of a scrambler and a
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  Speaker 4: keep-play-alive guy than a true runner. He doesn't put his
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  Speaker 4: head down like Josh Allen does. But if you could, like,
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  Speaker 4: not run for the first three quarters and save the
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  Speaker 4: big scrambles, the big plays, the roll left, throw right moves,
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  Speaker 4: like this, nice and easy, walk into the end zone,
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  Speaker 4: that's no problem. But the cross-body throws they can make,
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  Speaker 4: that's to keep the pass rush away.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, the big issue with the Bears
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  Speaker 3: is they've never had a 4,000-yard passer, right? Right.
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  Speaker 5: And they're not going to have one this year.
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  Speaker 3: They're not going to have one this year.
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  Speaker 4: He misses a couple games. He's not going to throw
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  Speaker 4: for 300 yards a game. And they don't want him to.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 4: That 4,000-yard passer is such this mythology in Chicago and
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  Speaker 4: outside of Chicago. They'd be fine if he did 3,800
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  Speaker 4: yards and 25 touchdowns.
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  Speaker 3: They scored 59 points week one against Carolina. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think he threw for more than 250 yards.
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  Speaker 4: They'd rather have two 1,000-yard rushers in Chicago than a
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  Speaker 4: 4,000-yard pass.
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  Speaker 3: Here's why I think this is such a big game
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  Speaker 3: for the Bears. Because the Patriots are decimated. Let's look
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  Speaker 3: at the injuries here. Romeo Dobbs out with the shoulder.
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  Speaker 3: Morgan Moses and Elijah Veritaka on the offensive line. They're out. A.J.
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  Speaker 3: Brown looked it. terrible last week. He still has his
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  Speaker 3: ankle issue, and then there are other injuries all up
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  Speaker 3: and down the defense and the offense. They are a
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  Speaker 3: beat-up team on a short week traveling. How do you
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  Speaker 3: make up for all those injuries when you don't have
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  Speaker 3: time to practice?
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  Speaker 4: Do you think that the Patriots are getting further away
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  Speaker 4: from the Super Bowl after the loss last year?
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean, I don't think they should have been
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  Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl last year.
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  Speaker 5: Technically, they were.
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  Speaker 3: They avoided Josh Allen and Mahomes in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's one of those things.
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  Speaker 3: And Lamar Jackson.
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  Speaker 5: It would have been that tag.
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  Speaker 4: If they somehow pulled that Super Bowl victory out, it
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  Speaker 4: would have always been lightly tagged. I would love to
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  Speaker 4: get made fun of for winning a Super Bowl. That'd
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  Speaker 4: be like the greatest thing of all time. But Drake May,
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  Speaker 4: sometimes when we talk about Drake May, it's almost like
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  Speaker 4: that Super Bowl didn't happen.
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  Speaker 5: That Super Bowl appearance didn't happen.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, no, I mean, listen, he's way better than
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  Speaker 3: he was in the first month of the season. But,
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  Speaker 3: you know, last three weeks, I think he's been the
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  Speaker 3: leading passer in the entire NFL. You've got to give
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  Speaker 3: him a little bit of time. I think he's very dependent. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: there we go. Yeah, it's unbelievable how good he's been
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  Speaker 3: the last three weeks.
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  Speaker 4: He's got his head down looking at his subpar stats like,
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  Speaker 4: look at my stats, Andrew.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, now the issue with Drake May is he's really,
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  Speaker 3: really good against bad teams. And then against good teams,
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  Speaker 3: he's mixed. Now, the truth is they could lose this
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  Speaker 3: week and be just fine. It's an out-of-conference matchup. They're
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  Speaker 3: going to feast on the Jets, hopefully for them, and
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  Speaker 3: the Dolphins. So I think the Patriots are going to
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  Speaker 3: be okay. But can you really picture Drake May and
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  Speaker 3: the Patriots where they are right now getting through Patrick
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  Speaker 3: Mahomes and Josh Allen again? No. And then maybe we'll
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  Speaker 3: see Lamar Jackson. I think it's a much different year
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  Speaker 3: in the AFC. Last year was just a weird anomaly
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  Speaker 3: that got the Patriots to the Super Bowl so early.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: All right, let's get to another thing that happened. While
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  Speaker 4: we were doing Not So Fast yesterday, the news broke
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  Speaker 4: that J.J. McCarthy, the former Michigan guy, the former Vikings guy,
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  Speaker 4: is now the starting quarterback for your New York Giants, Perloff. Now,
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  Speaker 4: this is a career rebirth for him, our chance for
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  Speaker 4: a career rebirth. If this guy even plays B-level football
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  Speaker 4: the rest of the year and goes. 500, he will
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  Speaker 4: be looked at completely different NFL circles.
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  Speaker 5: Now, here's my question. If somehow J.J. McCarthy, who was jettisoned,
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  Speaker 5: I love that word.
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  Speaker 4: From Minnesota, can keep this team afloat and keep them
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  Speaker 4: in a playoff spot, how embarrassed should the rest of
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  Speaker 4: the NFC East be?
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  Speaker 3: Well, what kind of play? B-minus play?
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying, yeah, well, B-minus play because, again, the way
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  Speaker 4: the Giants are playing and the small lead they have
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  Speaker 4: right now, it's almost like if they could hold serve
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  Speaker 4: for a while and let the other teams rough each
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  Speaker 4: other up.
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  Speaker 3: But the teams they beat, like Tennessee and Arizona, I mean...
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  Speaker 3: It's not impressive. No, it's not impressive at all. So
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  Speaker 3: I don't think J.J. McCarthy is going to play B- football.
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  Speaker 3: If you got B- football out of him, then I'm
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  Speaker 3: giving John Harbaugh Coach of the Year. I think that
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  Speaker 3: this week, the dream of J.J. McCarthy is going to
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  Speaker 3: run into a roadblock. I think the Houston-Texas defense has
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  Speaker 3: been bad, but they haven't faced quarterbacks like J.J. McCarthy.
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  Speaker 3: Here are the quarterbacks that have been lighting up the Texans.
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  Speaker 3: Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Dak Prescott, and Trevor Lawrence. Who
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  Speaker 3: is not like those four players? How about J.J. McCarthy?
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  Speaker 4: But he's got Isaiah Likely. He's got Malik Nabors. He's
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  Speaker 4: got a serious head coach. And he's got a Texans
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  Speaker 4: defense that hasn't had a complete game yet.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's because they've been going against these juggernaut offenses.
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  Speaker 3: They're going to feast on the Giants. They're going to
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  Speaker 3: be J.J. McCarthy's face from the opening snap.
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  Speaker 4: I'm with you on this one because I do worry
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  Speaker 4: that the J.J. McCarthy rebirth, which I'd love to see.
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  Speaker 4: I love quarterbacks getting a second chance. I'm worried it's
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  Speaker 4: going to stop before it gets started.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the other thing about J.J. McCarthy. He's very physical,
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  Speaker 3: so he can run to keep the Giants in the play.
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  Speaker 3: But also, he can scramble like Jackson Dart. Jameis Winston
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  Speaker 3: cannot scramble at all. So that gives him one advantage.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the Giants want to win with defense. So
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  Speaker 3: they're not going to— I know Brian Burns is out, but
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  Speaker 3: they still have all those pass rushers. They want conservative play.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just not seeing it. I think Houston has a
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  Speaker 3: big advantage here.
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  Speaker 5: But, Pearl, you're with me. You want J.J.
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  Speaker 4: McCarthy to play well this season, to set up an
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  Speaker 4: awkward quarterback offseason for the New York Giants.
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  Speaker 5: You love awkward quarterback situations.
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  Speaker 3: That would be cool. No, listen, but, I mean, do
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  Speaker 3: you trust? Is Jackson Dartha quarterback of the future?
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  Speaker 5: That's the situation now.
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  Speaker 4: They have two guys under 25 who one has accuracy
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  Speaker 4: issues and one has health issues. Both have issues and
• 8:47
  Speaker 4: haven't gotten paid yet for their second contract.
• 8:49
  Speaker 3: You're way ahead to say that. You already put J.J.
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  Speaker 3: McCarthy into that piece of one half of football when
• 8:54
  Speaker 3: they were getting killed, by the way, and the defense
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  Speaker 3: was in total prevent mode.
• 8:57
  Speaker 5: Don't poo-poo my awkward foreshadowing that I got.
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  Speaker 3: I love this story. No, I mean, the real issue
• 9:02
  Speaker 3: is are you going to hold on to Jackson Dart?
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  Speaker 3: Can you have any faith that this guy is going
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  Speaker 3: to be able to play a 17-game season?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, injuries are a situation. How about the NBA last night, Pearl?
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  Speaker 3: All right, I'm going to ignore your advice, Paul, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to completely overreact. Whatever happened on opening night
• 9:15
  Speaker 3: at NBA, to me, that is gospel. There were some
• 9:18
  Speaker 3: incredible performances, starting in Minnesota. Anthony Edwards, one of my
• 9:23
  Speaker 3: favorite players, one of the most popular players, he was
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  Speaker 3: unbelievable last night. Killing him with three-point range. He looked healthy.
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  Speaker 3: I remember in last year's playoffs, he never looked like himself.
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  Speaker 3: But to see him at full strength was so much
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  Speaker 3: fun against Giannis in the heat. So I'm very, very
• 9:39
  Speaker 3: excited about Ant-Man. I'm jumping back on the Timberwolves bandwagon.
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  Speaker 4: Before your next one, I love Anthony Edwards as well,
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  Speaker 4: but he sometimes has a Mr.
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  Speaker 5: October, Mr. November vibe.
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  Speaker 7: Mr.
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  Speaker 5: December Field. He goes full blast.
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  Speaker 4: He plays like 38 minutes a game more than anybody else.
• 9:52
  Speaker 4: But it reminds me, not his game, but his usage.
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  Speaker 4: Remember about eight years ago when Harden was doing this
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  Speaker 4: in the regular season and had nothing left for the playoffs?
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  Speaker 4: You might have to manage this guy against his will
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  Speaker 4: later in the season to manage his minutes just a
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  Speaker 4: little bit so he's ready for the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: No, I agree with that. I mean, he's actually had
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  Speaker 3: a lot of playoff success, which is weird. He's been
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  Speaker 3: way over his skis in the playoffs. So the team
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  Speaker 3: will somehow make the conference finals.
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  Speaker 5: What else from last night?
• 10:16
  Speaker 3: So Ty Jerome scored 45 points for the Memphis Grizzlies. 45.
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: It wasn't just the 45. He pulled up, it must
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: have been 10 feet behind the three-point line. Steph Curry land.
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  Speaker 3: It was unbelievable. Just to have the confidence to shoot
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  Speaker 3: from that distance amazed me. I liked Ty Jerome before,
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  Speaker 3: and now I'm all in as one of the new
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  Speaker 3: possible scoring stars of the NBA.
• 10:40
  Speaker 5: A couple things.
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  Speaker 4: He looks like a 6'7 Jay Baruchel, the actor. Secondly,
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  Speaker 4: Is his actual name Ty? Is it short for something?
• 10:47
  Speaker 3: We looked it up before the show, and it's not
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  Speaker 3: short for anything.
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  Speaker 4: Because I thought Ty was short for Tyler, Tyrone, Tyson, Tyrell, Tyrese, Tiberius, anything?
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  Speaker 3: Nope, apparently not. He is Ty Jerome. Ty Jeremy Jerome.
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on there. But yeah, one
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: more to throw in. I predicted Luka as MVP yesterday,
• 11:07
  Speaker 3: and I am feeling that big time. I think Luka's
• 11:09
  Speaker 3: recreated the Mavs. The team's exactly where he wants it,
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  Speaker 3: and they look great. great last night.
• 11:12
  Speaker 4: We're going to get to Luka versus Yaxel Lundenberg, the rookie,
• 11:16
  Speaker 4: the 24-year-old rookie. But my two things from last night
• 11:19
  Speaker 4: is the Suns are brutal. The Suns were down like
• 11:22
  Speaker 4: 45-12 at the quarter.
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  Speaker 5: They looked awful.
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  Speaker 4: And they've been getting further away from that Matt Ishbia
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  Speaker 4: taking over and making us into a team.
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  Speaker 5: They get worse every year. I think they're going to
• 11:31
  Speaker 5: be a lottery team.
• 11:32
  Speaker 4: My other prediction is Clippers rookie Keaton Wagler, or Vogler,
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  Speaker 4: as I like to say sometime, will battle for Rookie
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  Speaker 4: of the Year at.
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  Speaker 5: Some point this season because... He's a shooter. He's a gunner.
• 11:43
  Speaker 4: He loves to get shots up twos and threes. He's
• 11:46
  Speaker 4: going to get a lot of play on this mishmash
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  Speaker 4: Clippers team.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of play.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do not have a great sense of what's
• 11:52
  Speaker 3: going on.
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  Speaker 5: He's going to fly up those charts.
• 11:53
  Speaker 4: Remember my Conn Knipple love early in the season that
• 11:56
  Speaker 4: people poo-pooed?
• 11:57
  Speaker 5: Conn Knipple went way.
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  Speaker 3: Up the charts. Yeah, absolutely. No, I do not remember.
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: I'm surprised you're not talking about your Caleb Wilson love.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, that's automatic.
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  Speaker 3: He is so hyped right now. The Chicago Bulls.
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  Speaker 5: That's MVP, not Rookie of the Year.
• 12:09
  Speaker 3: You know, Jackson Luxembourg got a lot of... Luxembourg is
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: a lovely country, though, in the European. He got a
• 12:15
  Speaker 3: lot of love as a key contributor to the Warriors.
• 12:17
  Speaker 3: And I know we're going to talk about... He talks
• 12:19
  Speaker 3: a big game, but man, the Warriors are not good,
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  Speaker 3: which actually has me worried. But okay, so you're going
• 12:24
  Speaker 3: to put some money on that? I think you should.
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: Keaton Bogler?
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  Speaker 4: But I want to pick him to finish second for
• 12:28
  Speaker 4: Ricky Deer, because they're going to go with one of
• 12:30
  Speaker 4: the big guys like the Bantzer, Peterson.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, maybe because they're better players.
• 12:34
  Speaker 5: Well, you don't have to get that. You don't have
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  Speaker 5: to put that one.
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  Speaker 3: All right. Coming up next, we have warm takes. I'm
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: going to go after Jerry Jones, who is once again
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: buying at the trade deadline. And we have much more
• 12:46
  Speaker 3: coming up next. Not so fast.
• 12:47
  Speaker 4: So if I were Keaton Wagler or Wagler, I would
• 12:50
  Speaker 4: have gone Wagler so they thought I was European.
• 12:53
  Speaker 3: Is he European?
• 12:54
  Speaker 5: No, not at all. But he would have gone.
• 12:56
  Speaker 3: I know he went to Illinois.
• 12:57
  Speaker 4: It's like Nick Stauskas. People thought he was European. Back
• 13:02
  Speaker 4: on Not So Fast. This is a midday pick-me-up. Pabst
• 13:04
  Speaker 4: and Perloff on NBC Sports. Check this out, Perloff. There
• 13:09
  Speaker 4: he is, DP.
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  Speaker 3: Nice.
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  Speaker 5: Times Square last night. Prime time. 7 p.m.
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  Speaker 2: It rotated.
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  Speaker 5: And then look at these two guys. That's Times Square.
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  Speaker 3: That's us in Times Square.
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  Speaker 5: That is not AI. That is an actual thing.
• 13:21
  Speaker 3: It rotated.
• 13:21
  Speaker 5: Thanks, NBC Sports. Thanks, SiriusXM. That is super cool, Perl.
• 13:25
  Speaker 5: You and I have both lived in New York City.
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: We've been to Times Square to get bad pizza at
• 13:30
  Speaker 4: late night, but never thought we'd see our faces.
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: There are a lot of foreign tourists in Times Square.
• 13:34
  Speaker 3: Do you think they are not-so-Fast fans?
• 13:36
  Speaker 4: There already are, and it's just re-energized them, and they
• 13:40
  Speaker 4: saw us on the big screen.
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: That was very cool.
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: Yes. We were talking about Luxembourg in the last segment.
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: I understand we have a growing audience in Luxembourg.
• 13:47
  Speaker 5: They can't get in.
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: All the people in Times Square.
• 13:49
  Speaker 5: You can't walk the streets in Luxembourg.
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: By the way, I heard it's still up. I might
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: drive down there tonight. It's still rotating? Yeah, it's still rotating.
• 13:55
  Speaker 5: You drive, I'll go up, I guess.
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: All right, let's do it.
• 13:57
  Speaker 5: All right, it's time for warm takes here on Not
• 13:59
  Speaker 5: So Fast, Paps and Perloff. I'm going to go first.
• 14:00
  Speaker 5: Here we go, a little wormy.
• 14:02
  Speaker 4: If you're in Times Square, this will keep you nice
• 14:04
  Speaker 4: and toasty while you're looking at our big, huge heads.
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: Here we go.
• 14:07
  Speaker 4: I have a novel idea, and this is really wild,
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: so strap in on this one.
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 14:11
  Speaker 5: An NBA ref should do this once in a while.
• 14:14
  Speaker 5: Call traveling.
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: It's okay.
• 14:16
  Speaker 4: No one's going to take away your stripes. No one's
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: going to take away your whistle. Traveling has gotten so
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: out of hand, it's become comical. If you watch it
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: on social media, some of the posts about traveling, I'm like, well,
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: that's clearly AI or someone doctored that video.
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: It's not.
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: Now, I understand the Eurostep. I understand the Stepback. I
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: know how that's developed over the years. But at some point,
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: you could put a cap on this. And what I'd
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: love to see, like, here's one from last night. If
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: you didn't see this, then you probably did. Here's LaMelo Ball.
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: Good player. He's now in Minnesota.
• 14:43
  Speaker 7: Wait.
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: I counted it. It's six and a half steps. Three, four, five,
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: six and a half. And don't give me that gather
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: the ball.
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: That's a gather, Paul.
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: But the gather is a carry.
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: So feel free to call a carry, which probably gets
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: called twice a year in the entire NBA, or call
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: a travel when it's that egregious. The fans will like it.
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: The players will get used to it. The NFL does
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: a thing every year. They have points of emphasis. And
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: now sometimes they over-call things in the NFL. We're not
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: asking for that. We're asking for extreme carries every year.
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: extreme travels to be called because when the play of
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: the night or the most watched play of the night
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: I checked on social media was this clip.
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: That's not good. That's not good.
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: Do you understand that this is the ultimate old guy take?
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: There's too much traveling in the NBA. I've heard it
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: since 1986.
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: Pearl, I'm telling you, I think young guys would back
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: me on this.
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: I think young people.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: Would back me on this. You are 100% wrong.
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: I'm going to my daughter's high school today. I'm going
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: to gauge the room.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: I've watched a lot of high school basketball. They love traveling,
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: and they love LaMelo after he hits a shot, turns
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: to the crowd and talks. This is modern basketball encapsulated,
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: and the youth loves this.
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: But that's the problem.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: It's not a problem. It's the way basketball works.
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: Right, but it also takes away the really great ball handlers,
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: the people who could ball hand better than others. Now
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: you're just kind of stepping it over and using decent footwork.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: I think it takes incredible athleticism to stop dribbling and
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: somehow scoot back six feet and do that. Yeah, no,
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: I actually disagree. I think any rule that helps offense
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: is good. And you've heard that take, too much traveling
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: in the NBA. It's been around for decades.
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: It has, but like.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: It's getting ridiculous.
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: Giannis does it sometimes. He takes these steps from half
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: court where he never dribbles. And they're funny and they're comical.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: But that one last night was almost offensive. That was
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: an offensive play.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: The thing is, any rule that helps offense usually is good.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: Like the NFL right now is calling holding every single
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: play on offense, and it's very bad.
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: That's bad.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: That's very bad. I don't know what they're doing. The
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: officials need a big talking to. So I don't want
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: to see too much traveling calls. It'll ruin the sport
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: if they start calling traveling on guys like James Harden
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: and all that.
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: A little bit of this and send it the other way.
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: It'd be refreshing.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: Is there anybody who encapsulates a modern ball player more
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: than Lomelo Ball, though? Zero. You know, the whole ball family.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: More swagger than game, traveling a lot.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Well, actually, yeah. And he's actually a pretty good player.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: I know Minnesota needs a second shot creator. So we'll see.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: He looked pretty good last night. OK, I'm going to go.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: Speaking of sort of controversial, Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys. Now, Jerry,
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: every year at the fall meetings, apparently holds court and
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: held court yesterday and talked about the trade deadline. Once again,
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Cowboys will be buyers despite their 2-4 record. He said,
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: I'll be real clear. I could see being active at
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: the trade deadline if it was something that could help
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: the team this year.
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: Is that your Jerry Jones?
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be real clear. No, that wasn't very good. Okay,
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Jerry is basically saying we are going to be buying.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Here's the problem. You already bought. Your defense stinks. And
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: guess what the defense is composed of? Quinton Williams, Kenny Clark,
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Rashawn Gary, Joey Porter Jr. Guys that you already traded for.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: It's not the guys. It's not the players. There's something
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: wrong with the whole organization. It's the coaches. You got
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: to get more out of these guys. And I'm sorry,
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Brian Schottenheimer seems like a great guy. Christian Parker, came
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: in with accolades. You know what? They're not delivering. You
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: don't need more players. You need to get the coaching
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: staff to make these players better. So definition of insanity, Paul,
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: If Jerry adds another name on defense, I don't think
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: it's going to fix them. I think the Cowboys need
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: to play with who they have. They need that coaching
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: staff to really work hard to get more out of
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: these players. All right.
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: A couple of things here.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: I think that Jerry Jones has actually done a pretty
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: good job with the trades and the moves and the
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: players they've added. But like you said, They're not being
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: used in the right way or they're not being given
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: a chance to perform. And the defensive coordinator was given
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: the tools, was given the parts to build a defense, and.
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: It hasn't shown up. And we're not in week two anymore.
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: We're in week six.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: The other thing about Jerry Jones is he's not the
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: master negotiator we think he is. He's the kind of
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: guy who would walk into a house and say, I
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: love it. Can I give a full-ass offer? When you
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: announce you're a buyer at the trade deadline... People are
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: going to try to fleece you.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Well, you know who the buyers are, though. Right. But obviously,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: the only reason they're buying, I assume, is because the
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: NFC East is wide open. I just worry that they're
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: going to get another name on defense. And, you know,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: they have this great offense, but they're always on the bench.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: They're always sitting there watching the defense give up first
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: down after first down.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: I'm going to save this for tomorrow about Max Crosby
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: and the Max Crosby situation.
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: I'm going to save this for you for tomorrow.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: My next warm take is this. Kenneth Walker is leading
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: the NFL in rushing. He's on pace for really close
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: to 2,000 yards. And he's averaging over six yards a carry.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: That's really galactic.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: And on a team, not a team that doesn't have
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: a good quarterback and has to run all the time,
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: that has the best quarterback in the entire sport.
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: Now, Jasson Smith and Jigba, JSN, he's leading the NFL
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: in receiving. Not a surprise.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: He'll probably do that again this year. Now, these guys
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: should be way up the MVP odds list. Neither of
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: them are in the top eight. After what they've done
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: so far, they're not in the top eight. And they're
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: not going to be because Vegas is realist. They know
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: they can't win MVP. You're going to get Offensive Player
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: of the Year. Guys like Walker, JSN, Bijan, and Jameer
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Gibbs are all in the top four for Offensive Player
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: of the Year.
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: That's their category. It's only really quarterbacks that can win MVP.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Now, I know this is new, but it does seem
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: like time that a couple or a handful or a
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: block of voters kind of debunked this a little bit.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: If somehow Kenneth Walker goes for 1,950 yards at 5.8
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: a clip, Let's give him the MVP because he's the
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: most valuable. He changed the franchise. It's not just a
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: quarterback award, and this trend has to be broken. But
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: you really have to force the issue. You have to
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: get 2,000 yards as a running back.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: And that's almost unfair, even with the extra game.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Saquad did that and didn't get MVP.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: He didn't.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: So, but do you think that you bringing this up
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: might affect voters? I'm being serious. If there's enough sort
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: of a groundswell for, say, Kenneth Walker, if it's him,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: then maybe that'll change things.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Look, I understand, and you'll back this up, that the
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: quarterback is the most important position in the sport. We
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: all could agree on that without the award. We could
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: all agree. But now take that away and say, okay,
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Look at the sport and take away value.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: Who had the best year in the sport? Well, it's
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: called value, though.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: It's called the most valuable player.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: Okay, let me ask you.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: If somehow they had a high-end backup quarterback and nothing
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: in the backfield other than that, Mahomes, they can get
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: by without Mahomes for a few games, but I know
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: he's valuable to the point where Right.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: You're killing your own point. If you had a choice
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: of who went away, Kenneth Walker or Patrick Moms, you
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: would say.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: And I'm saying, I agree with that point. I understand
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: it's overwhelmingly clear. But let's move away from that and say, okay,
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: let's just sweeten the pot for everybody.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Well, why did you call it best player? No, see,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: it's most valuable player. The other issue is, I think
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: they have to stop giving the ball to Kenneth Walker
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: so much. I think that's quite obvious.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: That may happen in week 16.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they have to slow down. And I think Vegas says,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: you know what, he's on this right now. He's going
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: to wear down for the playoffs. And if you're the Chiefs,
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: you clearly need Kenneth Walker fresh in the playoffs. That's
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: why Seattle was so good. They would always save him.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: And last year he was super fresh for the playoffs.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: You know, the other, JSN is amazing, but the team's
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: not that good right now. So I don't think he
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: could get it either. And remember I said one guy,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: if they were any good, Jalen Carter is by tenfold
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: the MVP of the Eagles. They'll never give it to
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: a defensive tackle.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: He can't get it without ten plus six.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Actually, no defensive player since Lawrence Taylor has won it.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: So it's not just running backs. But I think you're
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: going to influence people, Paul. I think that Kenneth Walker
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: is going to move up in the rankings.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: First you're in Times Square, then you're changing things for
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: Kenneth Walker.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: And why did you get in Times Square and do
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: a Kenneth Walker for MVP? Kind of like Joey Harrington
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: and the Heisman back in the day.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, let's see how that works out.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to go to the Ravens for my
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: next warm take. Now, you might be panicking about the Ravens.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson was at practice this week but limped off
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: the field. Doesn't look like he's ready to play or
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: play at full strength. You know what? I am okay
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: if the Ravens fall back a little bit. Now, remember
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: when they made the Super Bowl in 2000 and 2012?
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Nobody saw those runs coming, and they did it mostly
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: on the road. They won one wild card each year,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: then won three road games. This is a team that,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: for some reason... When they're great during the regular season
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: and have home playoff games, they're disappointing. I think that
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: they're going to be a sneaky second half of the
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: season team. They have a lot of guys coming back.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Cam Juergens, who they traded for, will probably play this week.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Rashad Bateman's been hurt. Mark Andrews has been hurt. They're
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: going to be full strength. And Lamar will come back.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: And maybe like Caleb Williams, he'll be better out of
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: the pocket. I think the second half of the season,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Ravens are going to be dangerous. I don't care if
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: they're 15-2 and hosting the AFC title game. Because you
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: know what? Mahomes has won on that field. I think
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: that you have to judge the Ravens at the end
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: of the season. So I slow play Lamar Jackson. Even
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: though I know they lost to Cleveland. I know they
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: have a really tough matchup this week with Cincy. I
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: am not worried. They're not going to fall out of
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: the playoff hunt, Paul.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: I'm going to not so fast you a little bit.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: All right, what do you got?
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: You want to give him this weekend off? Fine against
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: the Bengals. You could pull out a victory there. You
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: must have him ready for the Bills. You must have
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: him ready to roll, take down the Bills, national TV.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: and change the narrative and say, oh, these guys are
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: back again. I don't want to rest him for that
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: Bills game.
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: Why?
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: That might be rest him against the good teams and
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: play him against the bad teams.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: No, full blast, back in business, learn about the Bills defense.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: All right, we'll get back to that more later and
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: pick the Thursday night game. But coming up, coming up next,
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: this is fantastic. Tony Reale from PTI, Around the Horn,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: anniversary of PTI.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: He stops by. Reale next. Not so fast. I'm not
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: so fast as you.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean, we've been not-so-fasting each other. I
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: think there's been three not-so-fasts.
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: Is reality going to, like, check our facts and stuff
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: like this and call out our mistakes?
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Probably. Welcome back, Not-So-Fast. I'm Andrew Perloff. He's Paul Papps,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: NBC Sports Now and Peacock. Now, Paul, when we started
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: the show Not-So-Fast... One of the models we had, of course,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: was part of the interruption. I think everyone in sports
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: looks up to that show.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, beyond an homage, we basically stole everything from it.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: We always loved PTI growing up. Now we still watch
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: it every day. Not so fast, PTI. It's one of
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: our favorite shows.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a really special night. It's the 25th
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: anniversary of PTI. And of course, a huge part of
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: PTI's success was Tony Reale. our good friend, often fills
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: in for Dan Patrick. Tony, what does this 25-year anniversary
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: mean to you? I mean, first of all, it feels
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: like it started yesterday, and I'm sure it feels that
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: way to you.
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: That show's initial title could be so fast because that
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: show moves fast, right?
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: That was the show.
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: I mean, how did we make 25 years? And I
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: feel even weird saying we. I did the first half.
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: did the first 13 years. I can't take any credit for,
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: for the success, uh, Andrew. No, for, for me, the
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: show was about relationship, relationship, relationship, right? That's, that's the
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: one thing why it endured because those guys are just
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: unique and special.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: The other part of it, it's fun. It's funny. We
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: play games on that show. They play games on that show.
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: So, so for me, it was, it was also, it
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: met the sports fan, uh, where they were going, I guess,
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: in their head. Short attention span, quick. You don't like
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: this topic? Well, the next one's coming up next, and
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: there's a bell. And then there's a guy, you know,
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: wearing a good cop, bad cop hat.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: You know, Tony.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: I don't think you should downplay your role in this
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: because I think you were very important right off the
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: jump to that show because most shows... When they make mistakes,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: they glaze over them or they edit them out. And
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: when Tony and Mike would make a mistake, they would
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: go to you and you'd call them out directly. You
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: wouldn't sugarcoat it. And it's almost like having an editor
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: in a newsroom and they were news guys. And I
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: think that made the show embraceable because you embraced the foibles.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: That's very true.
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: And it's very smart of you to point that out
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: because these guys are newspaper writers.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I just had him sit down for my podcast. And
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I tried to talk about PT. This is not us.
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: Even 25 years later, they're telling me this is not us.
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: This is great, but it's not us.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: We're newspaper writers.
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: So, yes, the corrections page in the newspaper is where
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: the staff boy idea came from for Cornizer and Wilbon.
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: And I do think it is a special it shows
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: how special they are that they could take that.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Not everybody can take that, guys.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, absolutely.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: So take the correction. Take the accountability.
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: I do think that is a great– every show should
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: still have that. Honestly, let's bring back Snap Boys on
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: all shows.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, so you had Coronizer and Wilbon on your podcast.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: I want to listen to it. I have a question.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you got into it. Have they
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: changed at all in 25 years, especially Tony? I feel
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: like he's the same person today he was 25 years ago.
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: I tried to tap into this a little bit, and
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: they were– I mean, they told me they didn't even
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: remember when they met, which I can't believe. I remember
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: when I met you the first time, Paul. It was
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: at a roast for Dan in Chicago. I remember when
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: I met you, McLovin, the first time because you were
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: shirtless running through Brooklyn Bridge Park, and you'll never forget that.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: Well, I think, Tony, what's interesting is that if you
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: go back when the show started, I was at ESPN
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Network Radio, and Tony had his radio show. And Will
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: Baum would call in. He'd call in during the breaks,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: and then we'd chop it up. And this morphed into
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: this TV show. But I'm wondering from you, you were
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: a very young guy at the time.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: You were new in the industry. Wilbon's like a teddy bear.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: Kornheiser is an intimidating person, especially back in the day.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: I was wondering if you were intimidated back in the day.
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: They flipped, though, Paul. To answer Andrew's last question, they flipped.
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: And I thought it could be because Wilbon became a parent.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: And Kornheiser became a grandparent. And if I wanted to
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: apply a therapist chair to that.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: It's a friend watching them.
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: When you become a grandparent, you become all of them.
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: When you become a parent, you've got to control things
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: a little bit more. And Wilbon even admitted to this.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: He's gotten angrier in the world. He's leaned into curmudgeon.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I think Kornheiser has gone the opposite way. I know
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: we still love him for that.
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: And Larry David shares a similar– Bent, but we appreciate that.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Was I intimidated by Kornheiser to start? I wasn't. I
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: was a brazenly, I didn't earn it.
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: Confident young person unearned confidence i had as a 22
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: year old but there was something i would say regional
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: for me a guy growing up in new york and
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: staten island and new jersey and long island that i
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: that resonated with me but wilbon was a bear hug
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: of a guy he wanted to hug you and cornizer
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: but they both like the fight so even now you
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: know part of the love is the fight this is
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: why this show.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Has worked i said it's a relationship because it's a
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: married couple And we can.
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: All relate to either having that relationship in our life
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: where we have a significant other or we saw it with.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Our parents or whatever it is.
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: But they can still have, guys, the same fight they
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: had 25 years ago today.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: It's just true.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Tony, you mentioned you're a New Yorker. Now, the Knicks
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: celebration has gone on for four straight months, basically. But
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: the other day, the other day, the Knicks-Sixers game, I
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: felt like the Knicks fans didn't care if they won
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: or lost that game, where in the past they've been
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: so intense. Is there a sense that we got our
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: championship and whatever happens from here on in is gravy? No!
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: No! Even more insufferable now.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Okay. No, no, no.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Even more insufferable.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, yes.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Are they going to live and die with every game
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: and every quarter?
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: I don't think so. But they certainly are going to
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: make content outside the garden every game.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: I think this has put.
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: their fandom into a little bit of a, of a
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: particle accelerator in some way that they have it now.
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: So they know they've got the, the, the chip in
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: their back pocket, but everybody wants more. I mean, I,
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: this is a special championship for, for me, for a
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: reason that this team, they didn't go the LeBron. We
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: got LeBron and he brought in Durant and he brought
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: in Curry. And next thing you know, we built a
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: super team out of, you know, whatever. No, this is
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: a team. Well, The star player is a son of
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: a former player and coach. This is a team of
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: guys from Jersey and guys from the five boroughs, Alvarado.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: They have grit to them, and that is a lovable thing.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: I think it's a great point by you, Tony, because
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: at different points in every one of these guys' careers,
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: people doubted them. Josh Hart was like this nice role player.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Jalen Brunson, he doesn't have the body to be an
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: NBA star. Dallas bailed on him. Every other guy on
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: the roster was bailed on by somebody. That's why last
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: year when we were talking about them on the Dan
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: Patrick Show, it's like it's.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: A feel-good story in New York City.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: It's not this middle of nowhere, but they were a
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: really likable national team, which you wouldn't think the Knicks
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: would be.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: But the city views this team as their blood, I think, right?
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: And that's why this season may have a different ebb
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: and flow from fans. They may not die with every
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: quarter against Philadelphia. They may think, yeah, we got you
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: in a series. But they're going to be insufferable, and
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: that's good. You want your Knicks fans to be insufferable.
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: You want your New Yorkers to be insufferable.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: Tony, before we get you out of here.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I have a lot of practice being that.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: You're level.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: You're like the concierge of New York.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: Wait till you.
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: See the stool I sat on in my interview with
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: Gornizer Wolf.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know what I was thinking.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: It was eight feet high. I loved it.
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: It's the stat boy stool. I was like, oh, this
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: will be nostalgic. People are like, what are you doing?
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: You're lording over them.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not. I just thought it would be
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: i was playing remember.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: All right so the good news is in about three
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: or four weeks you're coming back to the damn patch
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: show studio to sit for dp that'll be a good
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: time before we get you out of here put your
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: host hat back on we don't know what's coming give
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: us either a pti assignment and around the horn assignment
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: we're ready you bloop us out whatever you think all right.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: All right Well, let's do a buy or sell.
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: Buy or sell the Los Angeles Rams making the playoffs
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: as they are presently constituted, which is one of the
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: stunners of the NFL season. Around the not so fast
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: to you, Paul.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: All right. I'm going to sum up the season and
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: I'm going to buy. I'm going to sum up in
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: one word.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: Going to be fine. The Rams are going to be fine.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: They have a lot of talent. Myles Garrett will be back.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: As long as their quarterback is healthy, as long as
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: Pukunuku is healthy, and they find a little bit of
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: a running game, they'll be fine.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: Don't bail on teams in September. Too many people do it.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: It's October, though. That's the problem, Paul. Around the not
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: so fast to you, Andrew.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Okay. I am selling on the Rams because it's not
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: just Miles Garrett who's out. Now it's Puna Ford. Now
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: it's Byron Young. All their great defensive linemen are injured.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: And the problem when you have a super team, Tony,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: is you don't have any depth. All the guys are
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: at the top of the roster. What about the backups?
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: I am worried about this team. They're getting old in
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: front of our eyes. I don't think Matthew Stafford can
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: carry him. Poor Aaron Donald comes back to play football
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: and there's no one around him.
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: Well, to score the argument, I still think Paul needs
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: to get his month straight.
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: Other than that, not big on math.
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: Andrew gets the point and the win in this topic
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: for the moment right now. My dear friend, Bill Plaschke,
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: who guaranteed an undefeated season.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: Oh, you would have lit up Plaschke for months.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Oh man, I played for moments like this.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: Tony, it was great having you on the show. We'll
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: see you in a few weeks in studio.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't wait.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: It was great having you guys.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Bye, guys. Thanks, Tony.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: That's fun.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: And, you know, it was really important, you know, when
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: they started PTI and they brought in stat boy Tony Reale,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: I really mean that.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: It was like, oh, he's going to correct them in
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: the moment.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: These two heavyweights of journalism, these big-time new TV guys,
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: and this new guy who never heard them is correcting
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: them with some snarkiness.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. No, he was great. And he was a
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: huge part of that show. And what you saw, the
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: transition to Around the Horn made so much sense at
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: the time. Think about it. Tony Reale, he was kind
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: of doing the Around the Horn thing with Tony and Mike.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: By the way, I need a stat correction. I said
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: it in the moment. I had the wrong injury on
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: the Rams. Kobe Turner is the one who did it.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: He already graded it out. He already judged it. You
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: can't tell me about it.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: You won.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: Well, that was awesome. We love Tony Rial. I can't
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: wait to see him in the DP show man cave.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: All right, coming up next, we're going to go to
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: the DP show for an interesting NFL clip and get
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: you thinking. That's not so fast. Next.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: Now, if we have someone here who corrects all our mistakes,
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: we're going to need a big, long segment for that.
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: Like 10 minutes at.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: The end of the show. Yeah, yeah. 10, 12 minutes.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: They'll be very busy.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, very busy.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: Probably more important than us.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: Back on Not So Fast, Paxton Perloff in the man cave.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: Not Times Square right now, Perloff, having ourselves on the back.
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: That was very cool. All right, let's get to this one.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: Dan Patrick had Albert Breer on today. Now, Breer, Monday
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: morning quarterback, knows everything about the NFL. And Dan asked,
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: you know, the back story is ACC, Big Ten, when
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: they do replay, the replay booth, the mics are hot
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: and you can hear what they're discussing. Will the NFL
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: do it? A lot of people want them to do it.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: Albert Breer had the answers.
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: I think if some people at the league office have
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: their way, you'll see it before the end of the
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: regular season.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Before the end of this regular season? There are some
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: people at the league office who want that. And so
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: they've studied it.
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: They've looked hard at what the ACC has done, what
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: the Big Ten has done since the Western Michigan debacle.
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: And they are looking at ways to implement it. Again,
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: can you do it in season?
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: We'll see.
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: But I know there are people at the league office
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: who would like to see it put in sooner rather
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: than later.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Wow. Dan was genuinely surprised by Albert saying that it
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: could be this year. That makes me nervous, Paul.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: It really does because I think the Western Michigan game
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: opened up the doors for everybody on this topic. I
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: said a month ago when the Western Michigan debacle happened,
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: I said the NFL will kick the can on this
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: as long as they can because they don't want you
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: to see what the people are talking about.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: But they must think to themselves. Let's bite the bullet.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: Let's be proactive. Let's do this sooner than people expect,
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: not later.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll give NFL credit. They've been super aggressive on NFL,
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: whatever you call that, quick replay?
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, gambling.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Replay assist.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and gambling transparency, all that. I think the NFL
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: knows that for their gambling partners, their fans. People want
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: more transparency. Might as well jump on it now. Will
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: there be some bugs in the system?
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. And there'll be some confusion. But again, they've
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: been so good at replay assists this year, and there's
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: no rules to it, which I like as well. Okay.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: In the NBA last night, Warriors forward Yaxel Lindenborg made
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: his debut. Had some run-in with Luka. And after the game,
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: told everyone what he thought of the Lakers star.
• 36:50
  Speaker 8: I had a lot of respect for him. You know,
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: just because of just watching. I didn't really watch the
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: NBA much. I just watched highlights. seeing him, you know,
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: kill people all the time. But then being in there
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: firsthand and just watching all the whining and complaining, I
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: lost all respect, man. Like, that was awful. Like, me
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: getting frustrated, it's not about, like, it's not about, like,
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: the foul being called. It's about, like, him complaining the
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: entire game. And then you get the foul called.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Congratulations, bro.
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: And then you talk to me like you did something great.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Bro, come on, dog.
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: That's just weak, you know. So it kind of, like,
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: it kind of threw me off for a little while because,
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: you know, like I said, I had so much respect
• 37:23
  Speaker 8: for him.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: This is the fourth time I've heard or seen this cut.
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: I still couldn't believe it.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: He starts out by complimenting Luka, and then he says,
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: he goes, he lost all respect for me.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: They were battling pretty hard. It was good TV.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: This guy is a 24-year-old rookie, not a 19-year-old rookie.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: But for him to not just do it on the court,
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: but to say that afterwards so calmly, he wasn't losing
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: his mind. He's like, yeah, I lost all respect for
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: this guy. All he does is complain.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: It was almost refreshing.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, obviously he won a title. He's an
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: accomplished college player. You know, do you have a problem
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: with the fact that they lost the game badly?
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: No, because I think as a, I'm not a Lakers
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: fan or a Golden State Warriors fan, I find this
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: kid to be interesting. 23 years old, let me axle.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Heck of a player at Michigan. And for him to
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: have the stones to do it against Luka and then
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: say it afterwards.
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: Draymond Green even said, we need more of this. We
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: need more guys like this.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: You know, the funny thing, too, about Luka, we know
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: he complains. But, you know, who else complained? Tim Duncan
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: complained all the time. And he's one of the greatest
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: players of all time. So I don't know how I
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: feel about this. I don't like the whining myself. But
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: this is pretty cool. Yeah, the back and forth. Is
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: he the new Draymond? I was thinking about that. I
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: don't know if he could go quite as far as
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Draymond Green.
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: I mean, he didn't do this like a month into
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: his career. This is the opening night.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: That's the way you launch yourself as a rookie. That's
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: how people get to know you.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, good side. Okay, you know what time of the
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: week it is, Paul.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: I can't wait.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Yes, it is time for Superlatives. Every week we do this,
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: the best and worst of the NFL. A little hyperbole.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: All right, we're going to talk about expectations this week.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: And the players who exceeded and came up short on
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: their expectations. I'm going to start with the player who
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: has most exceeded expectations this season. Let's go to Green
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Bay and Matthew Golden, the wide receiver out of Texas.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: First round pick, the first time the Packers have taken
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: a receiver in the first round since Javon Walker. He's
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: been awesome. Gone over 103 out of his last four games.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Not just that, he's completely transformed this offense. All of
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: a sudden, Jordan Love is comfortable and the whole team
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: looks much more explosive. I think you have to credit Golden.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: He's a very interesting player because the first like 16,
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: 15 weeks of last season, he got almost no run.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: And then he made a run at the end of
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: the season. He does have a little bit of the dropsies,
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: but he definitely stepped up.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Well, what I like is he'll drop a ball and
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: not lose his confidence, which is great. By the way,
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: my close runner up was Parker Washington in Jacksonville.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: You love that guy.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: But I knew he was going to be good coming
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: into the year. Okay, let's go on the other end.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Who is furthest below expectations? This one's obvious. You know
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: who I'm going to say, Paul.
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: No, I don't.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Justin Herbert.
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: Oh, I thought you were going to go counter.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: No, there's no way to go counter. He was tied
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: with Patrick Mahomes for fourth highest MVP odds, and he's
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL. He has
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: a 68.8 rating, a 29 QBR. He's been legitimately terrible.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: He has a million excuses, and none of them matter.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: He's been awful.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: By the way, what's with that chin strap? It looks
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: like a hammock under his chin.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Listen, the guy gets beat up every game. Maybe it's
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: not all his fault, but it's unbelievable how poorly he's performed.
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: Okay, next one. That's harsh, but true.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. My player who is hardest to set realistic
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: expectations for. In other words, I have no idea. That
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: is going to be a guy who's been playing well.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Travis Hunter in Jacksonville. So last year he played primarily
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: or mostly wide receiver and some cornerback. This year, it's
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: been almost all cornerback. Then last week, he comes out,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: and he looks amazing at wide receiver. He's the first
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: guy since Brian Dawkins to have an interception and a
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: touchdown catch in the same game. He was great at
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: wide receiver, which made me think, uh-oh, I'm not sure
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: he should go to all cornerback, because that's what all
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: the experts were saying. He looked like the best wide
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: receiver on the field. So now I'm really confused. I
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: do not know what to do with Travis Hunter, or
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: what to expect out of him.
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: I think he's hitting his stride.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: More defense, just enough offense sprinkled in, so you remember,
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: you can't overlook him.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: There was a play in the middle of the field, Paul,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: where I said, you got to get him in on
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: almost every offensive snap, so I don't know.
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: You have to discipline yourself.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: Okay, and now let's do a player who is exactly
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: who we thought he was, and that is Atlanta Falcons
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: running back Bijan Robinson, who is awesome, but come on,
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: we all knew Bijan was awesome, and he's almost exactly
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: who we thought he was. Second in the league in rushing,
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: And he's first in all-purpose yards like he is every year.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: He is just consistently great. And I don't really know
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: what to do with him, Paul.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: Well, he just shows up every week. I love that
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: he has Penix with him and Drake London stepping up.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: Maybe it'll open the doors from a little bit.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: But he always produces exactly this level no matter who's
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: a quarterback. Yeah, no, it'd be better with Penix. He
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: doesn't need Penix as quarterback. He's still good. But when
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Penix is there, they actually win the game, which is important.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: So that's superlatives for week six, seven, whatever we're at.
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: Whatever it may be. Who knows who's listening?
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: That's a good job by you.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: Coming up next, questions from the back room of the
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: Dan Patrick Show, guys. Tune in next to hear that.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Stick around.
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: Not so fast. Love questions from the back room. We
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: have no idea what's coming.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, those guys are crazy back there.
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: Questions from the back room.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to Not So Fast. Andrew Perloff, Paul Pabst. Paul,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: it's that time of the week. We have to reach
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: out to the back room. Questions from the back room.
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: Questions from the questionable people. I love this.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Our guy Dan Gardella is here with questions from
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: the back room. All right, what you got cooking, Dan?
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: Good afternoon, gentlemen.
• 42:40
  Speaker 9: Yeah, we got a couple more questions for you, so
• 42:42
  Speaker 9: we'll just jump right into it.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: First question.
• 42:44
  Speaker 9: You guys love your football, both college and professional. If
• 42:47
  Speaker 9: you could choose, would you rather go to a game live...
• 42:51
  Speaker 9: Or sit on the couch and watch many games at
• 42:54
  Speaker 9: the same time?
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: Oh, my gosh. That's the hammer of all questions.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Is there enough information in that? Are you giving me
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: what kind of game is it?
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: What level of game we're talking about?
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: Is it raining?
• 43:03
  Speaker 9: We'll go sunny skies. It's your favorite team you get
• 43:06
  Speaker 9: to go watch live.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, of course live.
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you got to go live.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: But there's always that element of I'm missing 20 other
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: college football games whilst going to a live football game.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: So while you have a good time, you can go
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: to the tailgate. If I went to a Notre Dame
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: home game against Miami, it'd be great, but you miss
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: everything else. There is that little bit of FOMO, even
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: though you're enjoying yourself.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's because you go to Division IV football games, Paul.
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: There is no Division IV, but if there was, I
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: would go to those.
• 43:32
  Speaker 9: Listen, football is football at the end of the day.
• 43:34
  Speaker 9: I'm staying home. I want to watch as much as possible,
• 43:36
  Speaker 9: keep my eye on social media, see if any trending
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: plays are going on.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's pathetic. You're not going to go out and
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: chant for your favorite teams and keep your eye on
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: social media? You know, they do have Wi-Fi in the
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: stadiums now, Dan.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: It's not very reliable.
• 43:48
  Speaker 9: See, this is the kind of back-and-forth we like back here.
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: You guys are going in.
• 43:51
  Speaker 9: I like where we're going. All right, we'll stick on NFL.
• 43:54
  Speaker 9: We're a third of the way through the season. There
• 43:55
  Speaker 9: are some teams that, well, their playoff hopes are bleak
• 43:58
  Speaker 9: to almost nonexistent. To the fans of those teams, what
• 44:02
  Speaker 9: do you tell them to get them through the rest
• 44:04
  Speaker 9: of the season?
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: Enjoy Sunday.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: Enjoy that Sunday and try to get a win that Sunday.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: You're not going to the Super Bowl. There's probably 15
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: to 18 teams out there that have zero chance for
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. Try to get a win on Sunday.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: Anybody could beat anybody. Watch the game in that vacuum
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: of remove hope, watch some football. Then watch some other
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: football and then go to bed because there's nothing happening
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: with your team.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: So this is my situation now because I'm a Philadelphia
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Eagles fan and the playoffs are unlikely. And even if
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: they do get the playoffs. So what am I watching for? Well,
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: first of all, you have a fantasy team and you
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: are a problem better, hopefully. No, I'm just kidding. But
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: you can have lots of interest around the sport of
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: football so you can enjoy all 32 teams.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but you're hopeless.
• 44:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah, see, what I'm doing is if you have a
• 44:48
  Speaker 9: significant other, this is where you build up the good credit,
• 44:50
  Speaker 9: go apple picking, do the fall activities so that when
• 44:54
  Speaker 9: next year your team is back.
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: What's going on?
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but then you're not going to know how good
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: the line is, who you should draft. Again, April, you're
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: going to regret this strategy.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: Dan, we could do an hour on this. Apple picking
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: has to be between 7 a.m. and 1 on Sundays,
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: 7 a.m. and noon on Saturdays. You've got to focus
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: on the game. Apple pick first.
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: Football for 12 hours later.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: And also, you're single, right, Dan? You don't have kids.
• 45:17
  Speaker 9: See, that didn't need to be disclosed here.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, what are you doing out there in
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: the orchard?
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: We're putting it out there.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: The ladies are going to love this from Not So Fast.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: If you don't have kids and you're apple picking on
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: an NFL Sunday.
• 45:27
  Speaker 9: Depends how bad your team is, right?
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: If they're defunct, yes.
• 45:33
  Speaker 9: Let's go to the last question, guys. We're going to
• 45:36
  Speaker 9: go to baseball. You guys had the Brewers announcer on yesterday.
• 45:39
  Speaker 9: You guys talked to them. It was a great call
• 45:41
  Speaker 9: when they clinched their spot in the World Series. Right
• 45:43
  Speaker 9: on the spot, what would be your go-to home run call?
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: What's that one?
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: I think they used to do it on ESPN Radio
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: back when we were on the Dan Patchow.
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: Ram-a-lam-a-ding-ding.
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: It was like Faith Hill did a ram-a-lam-a-ding-ding, and we
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: used it as a home run call. So I would
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: sample from the great Faith Hill, who's still smoking hot, ram-a-lam-a-ding-ding.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: I would just go, it's out of here. It's out
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: of here.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: That's simple.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Nothing else? You know what's interesting? Jeff Levering did call
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: the final out of the NLCS. He said, Dan, that
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: he lost the ball in the lights and wasn't sure
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: if it was caught. That would be my fear, and
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: you're kind of a broadcaster too. I often see a
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: pop-up when I'm in the stadium. I'm like, oh, that's
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: out of here. I don't want to be that guy
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: who totally misjudges a fly ball.
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: Premature.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
• 46:32
  Speaker 9: So I got a couple for you. I've been workshopping
• 46:34
  Speaker 9: them back here. I haven't told anybody this, so give
• 46:36
  Speaker 9: me your thoughts on this.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: I got two of them.
• 46:38
  Speaker 9: First one is, that ball just got its wings. It's
• 46:41
  Speaker 9: a Wonderful Life Christmas movie.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it doesn't mean that ball is dying because
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: they're getting its wings.
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: It's going up to heaven, not dying.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: This is why they pay you the big bucks.
• 46:51
  Speaker 9: And then the second one, like my ex-girlfriend, she's gone.
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: That's fun.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: See, I don't know if you could do that every time,
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: but I think that would be a really nice old-school
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: SportsCenter teaser highlight.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: That's a little Brockmire, which I like in a good way.
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: It's based off a true story, too.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got to.
• 47:06
  Speaker 9: Laugh at your past sometimes to kind of get through it, right?
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: Good job, Danny G. Great job this week. Really nice.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: Thanks, guys. Thanks, buddy.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: Oh, that was questions from the back room. We don't
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: know what's coming. I'm glad we don't.
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: Those are fantastic.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: And I regret some of my answers already. Of course.
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: I didn't even know what I said there some of
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: the times.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: It's time for constructive criticism. Your feedback on social media.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: Here's what you had to say. First one, Perloff.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Here we go.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: Are the Vikings really that good or just lucky thus far?
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: Kyler Murray will probably not pan out. So he asks
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: it and then debunks Kyler Murray.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just looked it up. The Vikings, by the way,
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: their last three opponents, Tampa Bay, Miami, New Orleans, are
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: 3-14 combined that they beat. They haven't really played anyone.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: They beat the Bears at a rainstorm. Not impressed.
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: If I set the overrunner at 8.5 wins. I'll go over.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: It's already a 5. I do know math.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: One more constructive criticism. Here we go. Lennon or McCartney?
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Okay. I have my answer.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: They're not saying Julian Lennon.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: Sean McCartney?
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I'm a John Lennon guy a thousand times
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: out of a thousand. I don't need your pop music.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: I know you wrote yesterday. John Lennon is a true
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: artist out of those two, in my opinion.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't do it. I can't separate. It's like
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: bird or magic.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: They are complete.
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: They're together. They're like this.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. You're right. They don't work without each other.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: But I do think it's a... Are you more of
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: an artist type? Are you more of a popularity kind
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: of guy?
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: That's a fair point.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm definitely the Lennon and you're the
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: McCartney of this not-so-fast duo.
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: I think I've just been insulted. It's time for the feel-good.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no. McCartney's way more successful.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: It's time for the feel-good here on Not So Fast.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: We'll chop this up tomorrow's show.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: I think I was just insulted. Here we go.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: There's Jeremiah Love going to a youth field Hanging out
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: with the kids there in Arizona.
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: Probably a little scalding hot.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Working out a little bit.
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: Getting some work in.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: Getting some reps in.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: Peppering some of the younger kids. He brought some shoes
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: for the kids. But that's really cool. Jeremy, I love
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: coming to the local parks, hanging with the kids, or
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: playing great school football.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: He looks so happy. I love this.
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: Well, that's the most running room he's had all season.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I still don't know, by the way,
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: if he was worth going number three overall. It sure
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: doesn't seem that way.
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: You know, it's not against him. It's the decision to draft.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: Him on a team that doesn't really have everything in
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: place to have a star running back.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, we don't want to throw any wet blanket
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: on working with the kids. That's great. But I want
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: to see a little more production. Although they did show
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: some signs of life last week. All right.
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: On behalf of Paul McCartney, I'll sign off for today. Congratulations.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: I can bet you're Paul McCartney. What's so bad about that?
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you gave yourself John Lennon. You called John
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: Lennon as your guy.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: I didn't say you were Ringo.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: Congrats to PTI in 25 years. Tune in to the
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: Dan Patrick Show and then us tomorrow.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: Enjoy the football.