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Ask Greg Cosell on Patreon: What Led To Jalen Hurts Breakout; How Did Eagles Deploy Jihaad Campbell? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 2: I definitely do not think Jalen Hurts is in any way,
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  Speaker 2: shape or form above, and that's you know what, Let's
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  Speaker 2: just start there, Greg, because I think a lot of
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  Speaker 2: times we talk about you're really good at it. You'll
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  Speaker 2: tell us, hey, this is something maybe Jalen Hurts doesn't
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  Speaker 2: do well, but you never lead it to the point
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  Speaker 2: where you're trying to say, I don't think Jalen Hurts
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  Speaker 2: is good. I think that people forget exactly. I think
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  Speaker 2: that so many people think when you say you point
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  Speaker 2: out somebody's flaw, that you're pointing out that they're not
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  Speaker 2: a good player. Every single player has a flaw. There's
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  Speaker 2: nobody who's perfect. So you know, in this game was
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  Speaker 2: to me, you know, a microcosm of what Jalen Hurts
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  Speaker 2: could be, you know what I mean, Like he's seen
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  Speaker 2: it at the throat of Brown. I thought the second
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  Speaker 2: touchdown pass may have been the best throw I've seen
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  Speaker 2: him make this season, maybe in a long time. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it was an anticipation throw, the third down throw. But overall,
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  Speaker 2: I know you talked about it inside the tape, but
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  Speaker 2: if you want to dive in a little more on
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  Speaker 2: on Jalen Hurts and I'm all ears.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the number one thing, they played a very difficult defense,
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  Speaker 3: and I might not have seen that way because they
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  Speaker 3: ended up having a big passing game obviously, but when
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  Speaker 3: you play the Vikings, the number one thing becomes protection
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  Speaker 3: because one thing Flaora is and we saw it in
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  Speaker 3: this game, is he'll rush six and that leaves voids
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  Speaker 3: in coverage. Now he knows there's voids in coverage. There's
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  Speaker 3: not a surprise to Brian Flores that there's voids in coverage.
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  Speaker 3: It's his defense. So he's counting on the pressure to
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  Speaker 3: force the quarterback to have to make faster decisions that
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  Speaker 3: end up being bad decisions. That's essentially what he's trying
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  Speaker 3: to do. But a lot of if you rush six,
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  Speaker 3: because he's not a man to man defensive coordinator, he
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  Speaker 3: plays these sort of I'm not even sure what you'd
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  Speaker 3: call it, you know, but it's zone match hot zone
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  Speaker 3: match coverage, I mean, because you only have five in coverage,
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  Speaker 3: you know, so there's going to be a lot of voids.
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  Speaker 3: So when you play, if it's a pure pocket quarterback,
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  Speaker 3: he can have more success because there's no second reaction
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  Speaker 3: element to a pure pocket quarterback, you know, because if
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  Speaker 3: you speed the pure pocket quarterback up, he ends up
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  Speaker 3: either getting sacked eventually, or he throws the ball up away,
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  Speaker 3: or he just makes a you know, a bad throat.
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  Speaker 1: What's up als feeling great today?
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  Speaker 4: Let me tell you that I know what my quarterback is.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not. I wasn't.
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  Speaker 5: I wasn't upset. He just went just like normal people
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  Speaker 5: w ip and other things, they go way overboard.
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  Speaker 4: And that's my only point.
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  Speaker 5: Like you could say you don't like some things, but
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  Speaker 5: to say he's a bum is like, come.
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  Speaker 3: On, that's that's ridiculous. I mean, he's got certain strangs.
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  Speaker 3: Eagles know what the strains are, they know what the
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  Speaker 3: weaknesses are, and you have to play accordingly.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, yeah, he's not a bum. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: that's that's the silly thing. But you know, by the.
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  Speaker 1: Way, two games, I can't wait to hear what everybody.
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  Speaker 3: I probably haven't listened to sports talk radio in twenty years,
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  Speaker 3: so I don't know what they say.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm just saying I live here, so I
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  Speaker 5: hear everything.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 5: So what two questions are, Well, yeah, two questions are
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  Speaker 5: Dean and Campbell. Camp Dean flashed a little bit, but
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  Speaker 5: Campbell was a little quiet.
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  Speaker 4: What did you say?
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  Speaker 3: Well, Campbell was asked to do something that he hadn't
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  Speaker 3: really done a lot of during the season. So what
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  Speaker 3: they clearly wanted to do is when they and I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if this was a function of Ajilari only
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  Speaker 3: playing four snaps and then asking Campbell to do something
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  Speaker 3: maybe al that they hadn't practiced during the week that
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  Speaker 3: I can't answer, but once got hurt, what happened was
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  Speaker 3: is in their base defense, Campbell became an edge player
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  Speaker 3: in their base five to two front and Dean became
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  Speaker 3: the stacked backer. Okay, So I, like I said, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if Campbell how much he's practiced being the
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  Speaker 3: edge player in their base five to two. So it's
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  Speaker 3: possible that he was put in a position because they
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  Speaker 3: really didn't have anybody else to play meaningful snaps if
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  Speaker 3: he was asked to do something that he's capable of
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  Speaker 3: but hadn't really practiced. So I don't know the answer
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  Speaker 3: to that. He's certainly capable of doing that, But you know,
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  Speaker 3: I thought Dean actually had some good reps in this game.
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  Speaker 3: He's always been good at playing downhill and shooting gaps,
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  Speaker 3: you know, because because at Georgia he was an excellent blitzer,
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  Speaker 3: so he's used to playing downhill. That's kind of his game.
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  Speaker 3: Despite his size, he plays that very well. So Campbell
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  Speaker 3: did not flash in terms of making plays. But I wouldn't.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't just to me because I don't know what
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  Speaker 3: practice was like, I wouldn't be quick to say it
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  Speaker 3: didn't play well because he may have been asked to
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  Speaker 3: do something that he didn't practice a lot.
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  Speaker 6: So I didn't get to watch her the tape yet,
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  Speaker 6: so or your your.
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  Speaker 4: Tape show yet, So I didn't listen.
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  Speaker 6: If you said it or not, But I wanted to
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  Speaker 6: talk about Jalen Hurts make. He made some really big
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  Speaker 6: plays on like real third and long. He had like
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  Speaker 6: the right side line to aj Brown, left sideline to
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  Speaker 6: Delante Smith. But they can't like live in that. That's
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  Speaker 6: that's very hard to do correct, you know, to make
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  Speaker 6: those plays. So it did really seem like the offense
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  Speaker 6: was still sputtering a lot and inconsistent, and then Hurts
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  Speaker 6: was just making great plays on the big dewn well,
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  Speaker 6: which is kind of more like twenty twenty two is
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  Speaker 6: what game was.
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  Speaker 3: Eddie was specific to the opponent. Now again, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we'll see what happens is they as they move forward.
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  Speaker 3: This game was very specific to the opponent. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if you jumped in after you know what we
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  Speaker 3: just talked about, but this was a game where they
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  Speaker 3: faced a lot of six man fronts, a lot of pressure.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that's what Brian Flores does. So your quarterback
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  Speaker 3: at times is if he's capable, which Jalen is, of
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  Speaker 3: making plays outside the structure of the play call. But
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  Speaker 3: he also made a number of really big time throws.
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  Speaker 3: I mean the seventy nine yard touchdown to DeVonta Smith.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know if if you guys got a
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  Speaker 3: chance to hear our inside the tape breakdown, but that
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  Speaker 3: was that was a brilliant play call based on what
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  Speaker 3: they had seen from that exact same personnel and formation
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  Speaker 3: in the first half, because they started their second position
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  Speaker 3: with that personnel grouping information and they ran the ball
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  Speaker 3: Barkley four yards, but they saw how the Vikings played it.
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  Speaker 3: Then on the second quarter, on first and ten, with
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  Speaker 3: less than seventh minute training, they went into the exact
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  Speaker 3: same personnel information and the play didn't count because it
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  Speaker 3: was a mile out a holding call, but they saw
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  Speaker 3: exactly what they were getting from the defense, and so
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  Speaker 3: when they called it on the second or third play
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  Speaker 3: of the first third quarter possession, they knew exactly what
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  Speaker 3: that They knew Harrison Smith was going to drop down
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  Speaker 3: and that DeVonta Smith was going to be one on
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  Speaker 3: one with the corner. So that was See, that's one
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  Speaker 3: reason I love football because when I see stuff like that,
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  Speaker 3: that to me is football. You know, obviously guys can
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  Speaker 3: make plays all that great stuff, but that to me
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  Speaker 3: is coaching.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I love it.
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  Speaker 3: Now, you still got to execute the play and obviously
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  Speaker 3: threw the ball sixty yards in the air, and that's
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  Speaker 3: one of the strengths of his game is he's as
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  Speaker 3: good as deep ball thrower as there is in the league,
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  Speaker 3: and he just you know, you couldn't have handed it
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  Speaker 3: to Smith any better. But that, to me was just
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  Speaker 3: set up by what they saw when they did the
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  Speaker 3: exact same personnel information in the first half.
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  Speaker 7: I understand and somewhat agree with Eddie's sort of question
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  Speaker 7: is can can the Eagles be a shot play offense
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  Speaker 7: and still get to where they want to be in
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  Speaker 7: the Super Bowl? I would argue last year from a
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  Speaker 7: passing game, they were a shot play offense, but they
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  Speaker 7: had to believe it a running game, right right. If
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  Speaker 7: they don't have anything near the running game that they
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  Speaker 7: had last year, I don't think that they can survive
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  Speaker 7: this way personally, just my opinion, just being.
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  Speaker 4: You're probably right, Yeah, I mean, look right now.
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  Speaker 3: I mean again, I hate saying things like this because
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  Speaker 3: I find it stupid when people do. But the reality
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  Speaker 3: is what his sake on, Barkley's on track for like
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  Speaker 3: seven hundred and fifty yards. Yeah, I thought you're crazy,
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  Speaker 3: you know, going into the season.
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  Speaker 4: I mean that's crazy very much.
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  Speaker 3: I was saying to the guys when we did our
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  Speaker 3: inside the tate that you know, you could have won
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  Speaker 3: a lot of bets if you would have said after
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  Speaker 3: seven games, Barkley didn't have a twenty yard run.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's crazy. It is absolutely insane.
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  Speaker 8: It was good to see just some life out of
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  Speaker 8: the offense. That was awesome. Yn played really well. I
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  Speaker 8: want to shift to the defense though I know Jalen
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  Speaker 8: Carter had some huge pressures. I just wanted to ask
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  Speaker 8: what you saw from him and do you see like
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  Speaker 8: him getting better from you know early in the season
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  Speaker 8: where he was kind of quiet. I know he missed
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  Speaker 8: a couple games as well.
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  Speaker 3: I thought he had a few splash plays, but I
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  Speaker 3: didn't think overall he was as dominant as we know
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  Speaker 3: he can be, and we saw him you know last year,
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  Speaker 3: you know, but he had a few splash plays. Obviously
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  Speaker 3: on the hunt interception return for a touchdown, which was
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  Speaker 3: a very interesting defensive front where they basically it was
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  Speaker 3: a five man front, but he was basically a zero
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  Speaker 3: technique and he was.
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  Speaker 4: Kind of off the ball.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a different look, and I was saying
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  Speaker 3: to the guys, I don't think I've seen that all
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  Speaker 3: season long.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I couldn't remember seeing that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want, you know, sometimes, because now it's seven games,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to say, oh, guy, I've never seen it,
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  Speaker 3: because maybe they did it once, but I don't remember
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  Speaker 3: seeing it. And of course he beat the center so
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  Speaker 3: quick with his patented club move. I think Wentz was
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  Speaker 3: going to throw that ball regardless of Carter being there.
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  Speaker 3: But obviously Carter gave him a shot in the chest
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  Speaker 3: and the ribs that I'm sure it didn't feel wonderful,
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  Speaker 3: but he had you know, he had a few splash plays.
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  Speaker 3: But I still think he's better than that overall. And again,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if the injury is still a factor
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  Speaker 3: for him not to be able to play at that
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  Speaker 3: level for fifty or sixty plays, but he certainly can
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  Speaker 3: make impact plays, there's no question.
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  Speaker 8: So was his presence I guess, and was the protection
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  Speaker 8: dictated to him? And is that way you think Joemo
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  Speaker 8: had some better pass rushes as well at times?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know what I've noticed is teams.
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  Speaker 3: Teams don't necessarily slide to him on every play, like
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  Speaker 3: you know, people think, oh, they're just going to take
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  Speaker 3: Eric Carter. You know, they don't do that on every
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  Speaker 3: single play. And Eagles know this as well. They know
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  Speaker 3: how teams will protect. You know. The one thing that
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure you guys understand is none of this stuff's
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  Speaker 3: a secret. You know, you don't win in the NFL
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  Speaker 3: by tricking people by doing things nobody's ever seen or
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  Speaker 3: heard of or you know, it's it's nothing's a real secret.
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  Speaker 3: One thing I learned very early on is coaches coach
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  Speaker 3: against coaches, and coaches have tendencies. Coaches coach what they know,
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  Speaker 3: so you know, you have a sense of how the
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  Speaker 3: opponent's going to play certain things. Now, you always want
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  Speaker 3: to validate that, you know, just like the touchdown is
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  Speaker 3: talking about with Smith, it said that's seventy nine yard
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  Speaker 3: are You know, you go through a game and you
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  Speaker 3: see certain things and it's always the people up top,
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  Speaker 3: not the coaches on the field because they can't see
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  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 4: They're too low.
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  Speaker 3: So the coach, I guarantee they went in at halftime
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  Speaker 3: and who and because all the coaches going at halftime
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  Speaker 3: and whoever was charting that particular thing, told Kevin Patullo
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  Speaker 3: or Sirianni or both that, hey, I think.
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  Speaker 4: We got something here.
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  Speaker 3: And then because I think they called it on the
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  Speaker 3: second play of the third quarter, if memory serves serves
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  Speaker 3: me correctly.
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  Speaker 9: I just was going to uh ask uh ask Greg.
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  Speaker 9: I've always noticed uh Jalen Hurts as a quarterback to
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  Speaker 9: me as like having a strength of being like an
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  Speaker 9: improventizational kind of guy, like a great, a great improv player,
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  Speaker 9: and I think that was on full display this week.
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  Speaker 9: A lot of you know, once the play was breaking down,
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  Speaker 9: like directing traffic and you know, making things happen on
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  Speaker 9: the fly. I guess over the specifically in the Broncos game,
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  Speaker 9: and then a little yeah, I guess even in the
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  Speaker 9: Giants game, there was a few miscommunications where he missed
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  Speaker 9: some big throws, and I honestly think that uh oh sorry,
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  Speaker 9: I honestly think that there may have been some things
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  Speaker 9: that were worked out, maybe this week, this little mini
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  Speaker 9: buy over in practice, and I was wondering, Greg, if
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  Speaker 9: you noticed anything on tape with Jalen being able to
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  Speaker 9: direct even like you know, pre snap, I know, like
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  Speaker 9: the I think the touchdown to Brown, he uh, he
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  Speaker 9: had like a hand in motion that maybe adjusted to
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  Speaker 9: play a bit. I was wondering if you noticed anything
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  Speaker 9: more from him on the improvisational front over the last
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  Speaker 9: you know, like a couple of weeks, or if there's
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  Speaker 9: been a change where you seem like he's been more
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  Speaker 9: on the same page with his receivers.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think he's always an improvisational guy. I think
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  Speaker 3: that's one of the strengths of his game. You know,
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  Speaker 3: when there are times he leaves the pocket when he
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  Speaker 3: doesn't need to. There are times he drops his eyes
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  Speaker 3: because he just you know, he anticipates or perceives pressure
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  Speaker 3: that may or may not be there.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's part of his game, you know.
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  Speaker 3: He's the quarterbacks that are really good at moving will
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  Speaker 3: always do that. So sometimes they leave throws on the field,
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  Speaker 3: that's the term we use. You know, the route design
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  Speaker 3: might work, and they just leave throws on the field.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: That touchdown he threw to Brown on fourth and four.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: You know, that was the case where they the Vikings
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: played two man coverage and it was only and they
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: had cash from being a spy on Hertz, so there
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: was only a three man pass rush. So he had
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: five seconds in the pocket because they generated no pressure,
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: and then he was just able to kind of direct.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: He saw that Metallis was the one who was matching
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Brown because Brown was a motion guy, and he just
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: basically told Brown, you know, hey, just just go deep.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: But you know, the improvisational part Paul will always be
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: part of his game that he's never going to become
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: no matter how much further he develops a guy that
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: is just a pure pocket player. And plus you don't
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: want him to be that, you know, I think I
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: think with guys like that, you live with that the
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: plays that they might miss here and there, and they
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: do miss, believe me. And that's something that you know,
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: I've talked about over the years, and not only would
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts, but with other quarterbacks that are you know,
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: move around. That's just something that they do. But you
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: don't want to take away you guys instincts. That's the
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: one thing you don't want to make a guy who
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: didn't grow up playing the position like a robot. And
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: I mean like a robot in a good way. You know,
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: I don't mean a robot in a bad way. You
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: could argue Tom Brady was a robot, but he was
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: pretty good. But you know, so you don't want to
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: take away you guys instincts. So you know you walk
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: a fine line there and how you coach that.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: Everybody.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Greg, Thank you guys.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: I'm sure up tonight really appreciate it. Love talking with
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: you guys every week.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: Very well, everybody