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EDP28: Sydney Marathon / Diamond League Final / City2Surf / GB World Champs team & British Athletics problems · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello, welcome back to the Easy Double podcast.
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  We are on episode 28, Music. which I actually said that we
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  were on last week. I think I just got a bit too
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  excited last week and tried to skip one, but I did rename it.
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  We were episode 27 officially when it came out.
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  So I'm not sure you may have picked up on that.
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  You may not have. But here we are, definitely 28
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  this week, and I'm going to introduce Dean Menzies, who's
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  fresh off the back of a rather remarkable interview that we're
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  all quite starstruck over. Welcome, Dean.
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  Hey mate, how you doing? Thanks for the early intro.
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  It's normally Owen first, so I appreciate the early call out.
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  Yeah, I know. So I'd bring you back to reality
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  and introduce you to a chat with me and Owen rather than multiple
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  time Olympian. Yeah, no.
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  Well, thanks for sorting that out.
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  Thanks for sliding into DMS and do what you do babe.
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  What is it like? Fake it till you make it?
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  Is that what they say? That's what we're doing here.
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  Yeah, and I'll bring Owen in as well before we just get into
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  that. So how are you there Sunday
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  morning? Sunday morning here.
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  I'm good. I'm on my, I'm on my summer
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  holidays with our rest period now, so no running for me.
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  But yeah, I'm good. Yeah, good.
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  So just to kind of add some context to what we've been
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  saying there, I'm not sure if you've seen on the socials or in
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  the clubhouse, we opened up listener questions.
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  We've done a big interview. Well, Dean done a big interview
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  this weekend with Canadian record holder in the half
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  marathon and North American record holder in the marathon.
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  And we've all just been chatting for almost 45 minutes offline
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  over like all of our takeaways. Like we're just so buzzing with
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  everything he said. So we're going to be putting it
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  out later this week. So yeah, keep your eyes peeled
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  for that one. And Dean's done a great job in
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  terms of getting getting the best out of camp.
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  So yeah, we don't want to give too much away, but I guess maybe
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  I wouldn't know, Dean, what were like some of the interesting
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  things that you took away from it?
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  Yeah, he was just very open and honest.
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  I mean, I'm like, as we are like A and as I mentioned to him,
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  right, like just a huge fan of running and sort of someone is a
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  similar age to me. So I just recall he sort of
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  burst on this onto the scene at the end of his college career
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  when he sort of made the Olympics in 2012 and was running
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  some quick times then. And it's part of the driven
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  series, a YouTube series that where flow track sort of
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  highlighted some of his what he was doing in training and sort
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  of what got him good and he sort of made famous these triple run
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  days. And so we got to talk about that
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  and talk about his time at the Nike Oregon Project, which was
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  really interesting. And and then sort of his sort of
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  rebirth because he sort of had a tough period with injury and
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  what he and transitioning to the marathon and, you know, become
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  making it fourth in the world champs running the area record
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  sort of what he did to do that. I sort of, I don't know you.
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  I think you connect the dots yourself, absent information.
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  So it wasn't until I actually got to talk to him and ask him
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  how he did that he sort of unpacked how he did that.
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  And he's got a sports science background.
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  So he was quite, quite articulate.
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  I thought with how he what he was able to implement and how he
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  did it. It was, yeah.
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  I I just personally had a really fun time picking his brain and
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  listening to him share his story.
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  Yeah, and one of the most exciting parts as well was
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  almost at the end when kind of like you brought it back to
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  present day and he spoke about his goals for like, the upcoming
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  World Championships marathon. I was like, wow, fair play.
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  Like so excited to watch it now. I taught that I feel like
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  everyone can take something from the interview, whether it's like
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  his mentality or just the way he looks at training and little
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  things that anyone like you or I could take from his training.
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  It just like, it's so simple, but it makes you think about it.
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  He's like, thinks about a different way.
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  I don't know. It's just, well, I took a lot
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  from the interview anyway. And even like he ran, he's been
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  running at such a high level and like the groups has been a part
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  of like this stuff that goes on. And then groups like he mentions
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  like it's just. Yeah, it is.
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  It's crazy. Like you'd never expect it for
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  the fact that you talked to someone about some of that as
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  well. Like, yeah, I really, really
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  enjoyed it for playing. I think we missed the trick as
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  well, by the way, given that we're we're easy double set up
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  on the back of like double run days and he spoke about his
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  triple run days and we didn't tell him we'll have to rebrand
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  to be easy triple. I did think about that and it's
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  a bit of a spoiler, but like like how that he feels like he
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  pioneered that idea, right. And part of it was about
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  recovering like I I didn't realize I thought it was just a
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  way to add in more mileage, which I mean it is in part, but
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  it was also split it break how he breaks his day up to sort of
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  handle the mileage was sort of part of the idea behind tripling
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  versus a single long run. And yeah, sort of hearing the
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  the method to it because on the outside 100 and 81190 miles a
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  week does seem a bit mad, but then when you talk to him about
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  it, it makes a lot more sense. Yeah, for sure.
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  And also on that guys, I realized that in all of the the
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  clubhouse launch segment last week where we talked about the
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  clubhouse, what it is, why you should join etcetera, etcetera.
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  I didn't actually give the the URL or the web address.
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  So for anyone who who has yet to join, it's easy double clubhouse
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  dot circle dot. SO and I'm like really happy
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  with kind of how this week's gone because like there's quite
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  a lot of people in there. We've been having some good
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  conversations, like we've done the good poll on the the shoe
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  choices, which was like kind of fun when we had the Mr. Brooks
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  ambassador himself. And they're not happy that
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  Brooks weren't a mentioned and we uncovered something when the
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  GB teams were announced. Well, one of the listeners,
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  Rachel, highlighted like about some, well, all, all women not
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  being included in the marathon selection.
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  And we had some really good discussions around that.
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  And it's led to maybe like probing it a little further.
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  So, yeah, it's been a good first week and I'm excited to see
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  where we go from here. Well, and add to fact to the
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  fact that some of the guys got to ask the questions to Cam
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  Levens and Dean done it in such a way that it just slipped
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  naturally into the conversation or Cam answered them without
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  even realizing you. You busted them up.
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  Well, Dean. Nice.
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  Yeah, good talker. It was very easy.
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  So in terms of this episode, jeez, we're going to do well to
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  keep it short, but we've spent 45 minutes chatting offline.
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  So let's go. We've got Jurich Diamond League
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  final from the week. And then this weekend we've had
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  Sydney marathon first year as a major.
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  And then this morning in Perth, the streets were taken over by
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  city to surf. We'll have training weeks.
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  Owens done a race again. He's he's racing more frequently
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  than Izzy back Doyle a few months ago.
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  And then we've got a few news items to cover as well.
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  See how far through that we can go.
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  And we're going to bring a double trouble directly from the
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  clubhouse because it seems that that's what you guys like
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  speaking about in there. And we're grateful that you're
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  you're raising them because it takes the heat off us.
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  We can kind of deliver them and not be responsible for them,
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  which I'm sure Dean will enjoy. So Diamond League then Owen is
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  going to take us through. So Diamond League final in
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  Zurich, wasn't it? Is the final right?
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  We'll start off with the women's 800 and Wirro.
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  Audrey Wirro won this in national record in 155.9.
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  She's Swiss. Then Georgia Hunter Bell was
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  second in 155.96 and Anne Bourgeois from France was third
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  in 15697. So fairly tight between the
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  front 2, but who does Roro run for?
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  What brand is it on? It might be on, you know.
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  Or Puma. Yeah, she, she's like under 20.
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  She she ran in those European under 20s recently and I think
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  she won gold in like 156 or 157 and like yeah, 155.
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  Like I was looking at the all time list of the the times for
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  this year and Hares and Georgia Hunter Bells times there are the
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  second and third fastest this year.
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  Then, Oh, potentially. Do you look at those two now and
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  go is are they plus Keely the medal chances?
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  I mean, you can never say never, but.
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  That Mary Moira, she's totally fallen off this year, hasn't
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  she? She's so hot and cold.
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  And Sarah Billings was 7th in that race in 158.
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  So I don't know, would Sarah be happy with that?
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  Like it's on the league final at the end of the day.
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  And I'd say it's good to be there, but still a couple of
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  seconds off the winners. I mean, obviously, yeah, you've
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  Keely to come into that. So you probably Keely won and
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  then between 2nd and 3rd, 2nd and 3rd, therefore the medal
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  spots in Tokyo. Yeah.
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  Was Georgia Hunter Bell still tossing out between 8:15 or
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  doing both, or is that the talk? Yeah, she's committed to the 8
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  now is. The 8A better medal chance.
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  I think that's what they've concluded if, excuse me, if she
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  was to double, I think the 15 comes first.
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  So they were thinking, Oh well, we fancy our chances most in the
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  800, but if we doubled we might jeopardise that by running the
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  15 prior. Right after this was the women's
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  1500. Eli Chipchurcher was first in
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  356.99 and second was Jess Hull in 357.02 and 3rd was Linden
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  Hall in 357.44. Sarah Healey from Ireland came
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  eighth in that one. She ran 359.9 so Jess very tight
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  with Linden. I wouldn't have put.
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  I thought Jess was like way above Linden Hall, but.
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  I feel like it's too she. Was yeah, she was running in
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  quicksand. It was like 30 meters to go and
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  Linda nearly gobbled them both up.
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  The sort of Jess Hall sort of I think was what pace was it?
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  Were they were they on for like 352 maybe?
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  Yeah, yeah. About going into the last lap.
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  Yeah, the commentator was calling it.
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  Wasn't he 353 or something? Yeah, and she looked good and
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  she sort of burnt off Chip Chicha with like 300 meters to
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  go was clear with about I think was it 110 got got shot down by
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  the lactic sniper, lactate sniper and was was in also.
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  It's like that last 30 meters. There's like some good footage
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  of her almost falling to the finish line and the chase pack
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  nearly gobbled them both up. I'd I'd worry for Sarah Healy.
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  It's like she's been on on a heater, as you'd say, Dean since
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  since early on this year and it's so hard to keep it going
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  for the like she's basically it's so hard to pick for the
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  whole year. So she might have burned her
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  match at boat ends, but we'll see.
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  Come, come Tokyo, because basically anything can happen in
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  Tokyo because it's going to be so warm and it might suit other
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  people. Some people could come in, cook
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  some people fresh. So you never really know.
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  And I think one of the unfortunate things perhaps I
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  need to check the where the rankings are because I think
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  national selection for Australia isn't finalized yet, right?
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  And so these, all of the winners of all these races were getting
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  issued wild cards. And the commentators are
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  explaining as the races were unfolding some of the
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  intricacies of these because like, for example, is it Coleman
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  that won the men's 100? He so he won the diamond.
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  So he finished outside the top three in the US trials for the
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  men's 100 meters. And so top three and you've run
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  the standard or in the quota in the US, you get selected to go.
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  So those three went, which excluded Coleman.
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  But then who's the reigning world champion?
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  Is it Noel Lyles? I think perhaps he chose not to
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  participate in the US trial. So then he gets to go with his
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  wild card, which is the being the former world champion.
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  Noel Lyles then goes to the Diamond League final, is not the
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  reigning world champion, finishes outside the top three
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  of the US trials, wins the Diamond League final, gets a
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  wild card, but his wild card doesn't trump the former world
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  record wild card, so now he doesn't get to use it.
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  So apparently these wild cards, whilst helpful, they don't trump
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  a world championship wild card. So that was like a rare instance
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  where you can't send five people from one country, but you can
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  otherwise send 4. And so I think if Jess Hall won
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  1500 meters, she's not, there's no, the reigning world champion
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  is not Jess. So she doesn't otherwise have a
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  wild card. It would mean that Jess could go
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  and then three other Aussie women could go.
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  And I think perhaps maybe on rankings currently, the
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  commentators might have mentioned, is it Georgia
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  Griffith who ran the 3K? She might be sitting 4th.
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  So if Jess had won that race, perhaps it might have made
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  selection a bit easier in terms of selecting three other Aussie
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  women to go. So it was sort of a bit of an
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  unfortunate circumstance. She literally got caught on the
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  line and so maybe Kenya now have the option of sending 4 athletes
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  given that one now has the wild card.
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  Or just thinking about it now, maybe Faith Kippy, Aegon's maybe
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  the reigning world champion anyway, so maybe this doesn't.
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  Maybe it's as similar as as Coleman's situation in 100
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  metres, but all very complicated.
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  And the commentators were sort of apologising during the
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  recording as to how complicated this is.
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  But bearing in mind, this is the first time that they've actually
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  had a Diamond League final ahead of an Olympic Games, a World
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  champs and the first time they've introduced this.
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  So I think the fact that they've introduced this and the fact
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  that they upped the prize money might be a positive about the
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  only positive thing that maybe came out of the whole Grand Slam
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  track meet. Like did they did they try and
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  up their game and improve their offering to athletes off the
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  back of that competition? Maybe.
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  So like, I think this wild card concept was a cool idea.
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  Yeah, it was. It was nice to see the is it
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  Steve Cram maybe, who's usually commentates for these, at least
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  on some of the coverage I watch. I think it is anyway.
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  And he is nice to see him almost tying himself in knots trying to
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  understand the riddles because I've felt bad that we met.
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  We maybe haven't explained it so well, but the fact that Steve
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  Cram can't get his head round it helps a little too.
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  Yeah, and it's all new for everyone.
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  And George Griffiths has already qualified through the 5K,
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  correct? I think so.
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  I think so. I think she are you?
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  Yeah. I have to check.
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  Yeah. Right, moving on to women's 3000
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  Junior Mack the Bay Berlinet. Berlinet.
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  Yeah she ran 840.56 to win the 3K.
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  A second was Joseph Andrews who runs were on, she ran 840.95 and
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  3rd was Linkina Ambwa 8.8 minutes and then fourth was
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  Georgia Griffiths. 8 was Hannah Nuttall in 844 and 9 was Rosie
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  Davis in 846. So never heard of that Ethiopian
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  one who won that race? Never heard of the girl that you
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  that you tried to read out, No. I know Rose Davies, I don't know
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  Rosie Davis, but. We're friends, yeah, so Rose
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  might be a bit disappointed with 9th, but she's not that far off
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  the other girls. Yeah, I.
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  Don't think it was. It was pretty bunched for like a
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  while, like quite slow and then yeah, it just got moving and
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  like, usually. To be fair, Rose has got a good
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  kick, hasn't she? As you say, it depends.
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  Like she could be in, she could not have really tapered for
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  this, thinking about a couple of weeks time and whatever.
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  Like it's hard to take too much from this unless you had
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  something major riding on it, as in you were trying to get
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  yourself a qualification, then you know that it was an all in
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  effort. But otherwise it's like no.
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  I think that's what Jess Hall said in an interview, didn't
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  she, That she her legs, because I asked her like, and I think
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  she said maybe haven't run like that since high school and in
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  terms of that much swimming in lactate, but said that maybe she
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  came in with heavy legs. So that's what she'd look to do
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  different come the world champ. Right on to the men.
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  The men's 800, so this was won by Emmanuelle Wignani in 142.3,
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  second was Max Bergen in 142.4 and 3rd was Marco Arap in 142.5.
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  So I think this is going to be arguably the tightest race in
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  Tokyo. Like anyone could could win it.
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  They're all running super, super fast.
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  And yeah, like Max Bergen, like second in a Diamond League
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  final. I think he's on a heater as
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  well. It looked like Wan Yani was
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  going to get beat maybe at one point or it looked like it for a
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  while, maybe like 300 meters or something.
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  Because he just, he goes, doesn't he?
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  Like his forms gone and like, his eyes are almost popping out
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  of his head, but like he's just so gritty.
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  He just does not let anyone pass him.
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  And Dean, do you want to talk about the guy in 8th?
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  Josh Howey just that he he didn't make it is that was that
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  The Who we were sort of tipping to maybe make his way in?
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  So yeah. So was it Josh Howey in the
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  men's 800 and then the Goose in the 1500?
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  They were The Who we originally thought were the ones to really
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  benefit from these wild cards. But then as you learn more about
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  them and you realize that countries can then send an added
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  athlete as well to the extent they win, sort of means that the
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  wild cards have even more carry, I suppose.
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  So, yeah, obviously Josh Hoey pretty unlucky to miss out.
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  What? What's he the current?
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  He's not even the reigning. He's literally this year's world
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  indoor 800 meter champion and has run I think a stack of some
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  of the world's best times this year, yet not able to to make
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  it. So yeah, maybe even if Bryce,
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  like I'm pretty sure say you had two horses in that race for him.
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  So Bryce Hoppel, his countrymen finished 7th.
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  So if he won it as well, then that would I think that would
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  might have been enough because then Bryce going to use the wild
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  card perhaps and then he can come in on the.
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  I think he finished fourth at the trials, but wasn't to be.
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  So, yeah, sort of one of the first of the big names who were
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  trying to get the ranking points to make this final to be
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  eligible for these wild cards. But yeah, I think the wild card
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  concepts just a really a really cool one.
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  It's got a few angles to it and it just made, yeah means that
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  this Diamond League final that otherwise we don't get all that
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  excited for is a bit more relevant.
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  Yeah, and like, talk about like the US system providing drama as
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  in the trials, which like, I kind of I'm an advocate for
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  because, like, it is drama and drama sells.
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  But like, when you look at Josh Howie in the world rankings,
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  like all the other countries are qualifying from the quotas if
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  they don't have the standard and stuff, aren't they?
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  And he's not even like in the top of 100 or whatever it is for
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  the 800 meters. He's literally ranked like third
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  or fourth in the world. But because he couldn't place
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  top three at the trials, he hasn't been able to go.
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  And then obviously can. It's just been a bit too much
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  here, too much pressure and maybe a little bit too late in
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  the season because you're seeing him maybe 2 to go with 2:50 to
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  go. He kind of pulled out and went
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  up onto the shoulder of like the lead one or two.
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  And you're thinking, right, this is his move.
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  And you could just see like he didn't have it and he almost
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  just gave up. And you're like, it's quite sad.
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  OK Next Men's 1500 which was won by Niels Laros in 329.2 which
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  was national record. A second was Reynolds Chariot,
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  Timothy Chariot's younger brother who ran 329.9.
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  And 3rd was Vanuel Koich, the young 18 year old who beat Josh
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  Kerr in London. He ran 3:30.
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  So Timothy Chariot, he was fourth in 3:30 as well.
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  So the top the top seven runs sub three.
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  Well, some 331, which is just nuts.
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  Yeah, this is like Nils Laris. You'd have to put him his
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  favorite. He bet Some big names here.
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  His kick is just like astonishing, it just obliterates
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  the field. Yeah, that was insane.
• 21:59
  He looks so good with 100 to go. Must have worked with his high
• 22:02
  school Sprint coach on his sprinting.
• 22:08
  Yeah, So who you've Josh, Kurt. Come in, Jacob.
• 22:12
  Possibly? Like if you're Jacob, you're
• 22:14
  hardly going to run your first 1500 in the heats in Tokyo.
• 22:18
  Do you really do that? Well, did you see him and his
• 22:21
  team kind of asked for an entry supposedly to this and they were
• 22:25
  told no. And I've got my own conspiracy
• 22:29
  theory going that maybe they were just, they knew that they
• 22:32
  were going to get told no because the rules are the rules.
• 22:35
  And they're just trying to bluff all the other 1500 contenders
• 22:39
  into thinking, oh, shit, like we're all right.
• 22:41
  And Jacob off thinking he's going to just run the 5K, but
• 22:44
  he's asked for an entry here. He must actually be fit.
• 22:46
  I think, I think if you're like so much better and you you're in
• 22:50
  that shape, you maybe don't need to hit out.
• 22:53
  But I think if you're if it's marginal, how much better you
• 22:56
  are than everyone else that the hit out would be beneficial.
• 22:59
  Like, you know, like Keely Hodgkinson that ran was it a few
• 23:03
  weeks ago and that was her first run after a fairly long layoff
• 23:07
  and she ran 154. I feel like if she ran in the
• 23:10
  world champs for the first time in that shape, she wouldn't have
• 23:14
  needed a hit out. She's just so much better.
• 23:17
  Whereas I don't know, there's some the 1500.
• 23:20
  I don't know if anyone's so much better than anyone else.
• 23:23
  Are they? So I hit out if you're in shape
• 23:26
  would help I would think. And The thing is like the
• 23:29
  natural kind of theory is to go well, OK, if Laros if the the
• 23:36
  field, they're going to be able to beat Laros as kick, then
• 23:38
  they're going to have to make it like 327 race or 328 at least so
• 23:42
  he can't use his kick. But.
• 23:45
  Like how? Do you know he won't have one or
• 23:47
  how do you know he won't be there?
• 23:49
  And how do you know he won't have one at that point?
• 23:51
  Like the theory stands up like it makes sense and stuff, but
• 23:55
  you just don't know. Like Carl Hocker when he won the
• 23:58
  Olympics, do a year run that 327 and kicked down from nowhere,
• 24:04
  that was like a three second PB form or something at the time.
• 24:07
  So like no one knew that he could do that until he'd done
• 24:10
  it. But yeah, I think that's going
• 24:12
  to be the way that they're going to have to try and do it and
• 24:14
  they'll just find out on the day whether he comes past them in
• 24:17
  the last 50 meters or not. You have to think, though, like,
• 24:20
  because it was that Faneuil Kovich who beat Kerr at the
• 24:24
  London Diamond League, right? He was the one that sort of
• 24:26
  burst onto the scene earlier in the year and so did remember
• 24:29
  Habs. Was did Habs win?
• 24:31
  Was it Monaco or earlier in the year 3?
• 24:35
  27. Yeah, and then like the goose,
• 24:38
  what did he, he broke the record, the mile record indoors
• 24:42
  before Jacob did. All these guys I feel like maybe
• 24:46
  hit form at some point sometime earlier, like Owen said about
• 24:53
  the arch Lady Healy. Like, it's hard to stay at the
• 24:55
  top of your fitness. It feels like Laros is like
• 24:59
  coming into form at a very good time, right?
• 25:01
  So you'd have to, if you're betting it's probably him or,
• 25:04
  you know, Kerr always seems to peak at a very good time as
• 25:07
  well. So I don't know.
• 25:09
  You'd struggle to look past those two.
• 25:13
  Inger Britson as a dark horse, perhaps?
• 25:15
  Just a quick one, Reynolds Chariot and Timothy Chariot are
• 25:18
  not brothers. It was just a shit joke because
• 25:20
  they have the same second name right?
• 25:22
  Men's 3K Jimmy Grezier from France.
• 25:26
  He won in 736.7. Grant Fisher was a very close
• 25:32
  second in 336.8. Andres Almagrin he was third.
• 25:40
  The Swedish guy he ran 336.8 to. Grant Fisher ran 336.81 and then
• 25:49
  ran 336, 336.78 and so very, very, very, very tight.
• 25:55
  Other notable mansions. Green Blanks ran 33738.
• 25:59
  Sorry. George Mills came seventh around
• 26:02
  738.7. And so, yeah, blanket finish
• 26:06
  wasn't that. Yeah, we have a big.
• 26:08
  Who took it on first? Was it Fisher?
• 26:10
  I think so, yeah. Because no one, no one went with
• 26:12
  the, they didn't really go with the pacemakers, did they?
• 26:15
  And everyone was, they were just, and then it was just,
• 26:18
  yeah, who had the wheels. And Jimmy Gressier, who like, I
• 26:21
  think the commentators mentioned, you know, knows how
• 26:24
  to celebrate when he wins a wins a race.
• 26:26
  But you sort of don't see him winning track races, let alone
• 26:29
  Diamond League finals. It was a bit of a turn up.
• 26:32
  But yeah, it was really, it was really cool.
• 26:35
  Cool to see someone else win one of those races.
• 26:37
  And yeah, what a, what a change in like distance running like 10
• 26:43
  years ago, I'd say, you know, like we were sort of going
• 26:47
  through a walk through time. We're talking with Cam about
• 26:49
  like when he was at the peak of his powers in terms of around
• 26:53
  that 2012 Olympics. It was sort of dominated beside,
• 26:57
  say, Mo Farah and Galen. A lot of the best athletes,
• 27:01
  particularly in the men, say, 5000 meters was Ethio, Ethiopian
• 27:05
  men and Kenyans to to an extent, but maybe a lesser extent.
• 27:11
  It sort of stayed that way for a chunk of time, didn't it?
• 27:13
  Whereas like now it's all, you know, North American and
• 27:18
  Europeans dominating, which is pretty cool.
• 27:21
  Like in that race you've 9 different nationalities out of
• 27:25
  like the 12 athletes that ran out, which is which is pretty
• 27:29
  good to see. Yeah, and it's uncapped, right?
• 27:32
  Like if you're the best in the world, you would just be sending
• 27:35
  like that could all be from one country.
• 27:37
  So yeah, it's very cool. Yeah, I was looking on this one.
• 27:41
  Fisher and Almgren, they're 5 KPBS.
• 27:44
  They've both ran 1244 and Graciate has only ran, I say,
• 27:48
  only 1251. So like 7 seconds is a decent
• 27:52
  margin at that level. So it shows it was a pretty big
• 27:56
  upset. You don't know what your 3K
• 28:00
  split in a 5K race if you have to run 1245 like is it close to
• 28:05
  that 736 or what is it I. Think they're normally gone
• 28:10
  through? 7:50.
• 28:12
  Could be getting this wrong, but 730-9741 I thought in some of
• 28:16
  those races aren't they because 12:30 is exactly 62nd per lap
• 28:22
  and so you're adding you're basically running 60 ones, 60
• 28:25
  ones and change to run 1244. So then 7 1/2 laps at 730-7739.
• 28:30
  I think you're right. Yeah, so, oh, it's good to see.
• 28:35
  But that is the Diamond League and I think they pay down pretty
• 28:40
  well. I think is a top 10 get paid or
• 28:42
  something like that. Yeah, I think the fields were
• 28:45
  capped at 10 as well like that pretty a bit smaller than a lot
• 28:49
  of the races during the season it would be.
• 28:52
  Hard. Like we don't kind of consider
• 28:54
  all this the decisions the athletes would be making like,
• 28:57
  well, one they have to qualify to do this time in league final
• 29:00
  anyway. But a fair few of them who did
• 29:02
  qualify chose not to go because they wanted to stay in training.
• 29:06
  But if you're thinking like I'm a chance for 50 grand or
• 29:09
  something there. It's worth like Kam Myers, he
• 29:12
  stayed didn't he went to Australia before.
• 29:14
  He was qualified as well. Would you say he had a bit of a
• 29:18
  medical episode? I think.
• 29:19
  Heard that on another podcast actually.
• 29:21
  Yeah, poor guy. I think he was all right.
• 29:23
  He's just deodorated or some stuff like that.
• 29:26
  Yeah, it did sound a little bit worrying though.
• 29:30
  Like it's, it's not the fair symptom from dehydration, is it?
• 29:34
  Like, it's not. It's not exactly a mild symptom,
• 29:36
  shall we say. Yeah, a bit worrying, yeah.
• 29:38
  Something we have to worry about over here in Ireland since the
• 29:40
  heat waves and I'll, we have to stock up on electrolytes and all
• 29:44
  that sort of stuff because we're not used to it.
• 29:46
  Shout out Bix and the importance of recovery, right?
• 29:50
  Where are we going to next lads? We're going to, well, we're
• 29:55
  going like pretty much out my window and just a little bit
• 29:57
  further up the streets to Saint George's Terrace in Perth for
• 30:01
  Perth city to surf. So as we explained last week, 12
• 30:04
  K over rolling hills and I was looking at someone's driver file
• 30:08
  to kind of see what the damage of these hills actually are.
• 30:11
  So the first two KS in the in the race is 21 meters and 16
• 30:16
  meters uphill and then towards the end you've got 15 metres and
• 30:22
  27 metres uphill in the 10th and 11th case before being
• 30:26
  absolutely launched down 32 metres into the finish line.
• 30:31
  So the man who coped with it best was Dan Kanala and he ran
• 30:35
  37th win from Luke Base, our training partner, front runner
• 30:39
  representative in 38 minutes flat, so just 4 seconds behind.
• 30:43
  And Carlos Boss Aquino was third in 3828.
• 30:48
  For the women, Aaron Ramsden won in 4329.
• 30:53
  Amy Buckingham was 9 seconds back in 4338.
• 30:58
  And and under 16 athletes. Wow was third in 4528.
• 31:03
  Vivian Barley. What did I say?
• 31:06
  I just don't know. You just said it.
• 31:07
  An athlete, I feel. Like to know what it called
• 31:11
  Vivian? These days it's sort of like a
• 31:13
  name that's not, I don't know. Maybe it's maybe.
• 31:16
  Coming around. Maybe my subconscious was
• 31:19
  telling me that I might need permission from her parents to
• 31:21
  mention a name on a podcast. That's why I didn't say it.
• 31:24
  Once. You don't slide it once, you
• 31:26
  don't slide to our DMS. You're all right.
• 31:30
  No, no, let's stay on top of all.
• 31:34
  Right all. Right.
• 31:34
  So you've both ran this course before when you were in Luke's
• 31:39
  place last year, finishing second to the man who won as
• 31:42
  well. So that's back-to-back wins.
• 31:44
  So you can 4 seconds was the gap today.
• 31:47
  What was the gap last year? I looked actually this morning
• 31:50
  to see where I would have came last year, Dan Canal around 38
• 31:54
  flat and I ran 10 seconds slower.
• 31:57
  So it's faster this year. Yeah.
• 31:59
  Well, it looks like is this. This one isn't streamed or
• 32:02
  anything, isn't it not. It used to be, like I said, this
• 32:06
  was back in the day that had 4/12/21 and a marathon and it
• 32:11
  was all televised. And who's the citizen runner?
• 32:14
  Yuki Kahuchi? I think he's a former winner of
• 32:16
  it. Like it was.
• 32:18
  Yeah, it was, it was huge back in the day.
• 32:21
  And it would, and it was streamed like prior to it sort
• 32:23
  of having the marathon as well. It was just a city to surf and
• 32:26
  it was broadcast like Channel 7. One of the main broadcasters
• 32:30
  would show the race. But I don't think so, not
• 32:33
  nowadays. It's sort of like a few races
• 32:37
  they, you know, lost some momentum during COVID, but it
• 32:39
  sort of got back. But it's still not the same as
• 32:42
  what it used to be. So last year Dan Kanala sort of
• 32:46
  ran a tactical master class and just sat by me, and then once
• 32:50
  you got to the top of the hill, he just literally launched and I
• 32:53
  had nothing left. He could run it.
• 32:56
  This year, again, there's 4 seconds in between them and I
• 32:59
  don't think Luke Bait is the type of guy to sit behind them.
• 33:02
  So I'm imagining Luke Bait ran off the front.
• 33:05
  But yeah, no, like fast times. What's the record?
• 33:09
  Course record? 35 something I think I know
• 33:12
  Ranson's run under 36 minutes. Wow, right?
• 33:16
  Yeah, yeah. Over them hills.
• 33:18
  That is crazy. I think I've run 3730 maybe?
• 33:23
  Wow. You were second to Ramsden that
• 33:26
  year. I was second to chamber.
• 33:30
  This would be so a few years ago.
• 33:31
  Now it could be 6 years ago. And in the ladies race, is that
• 33:36
  winner a relation to Ramsden? Yeah.
• 33:39
  Yeah. I was wife.
• 33:41
  Yeah. Wow, fair play.
• 33:43
  Yeah, it was. It was annoying this morning.
• 33:45
  So I went out on my bike and I was trying to time it so that I
• 33:48
  would get back to City Beach or nearby City Beach for like the
• 33:53
  finish. So I could kind of watch the end
• 33:55
  of the race or see them coming down the hill and stuff.
• 33:57
  Because I thought I'll cycle like part of the course.
• 34:00
  And I slightly misjudged it, cycled out too far the other
• 34:04
  way. So I was chasing, chasing the
• 34:07
  race and I caught like the tail of the race and was passing
• 34:12
  through, obviously not on the course on like parallel roads
• 34:14
  and stuff. I could see them.
• 34:16
  And by the time I got to the finish area, just seeing the
• 34:19
  ladies winner, like kind of coming around the final corner.
• 34:23
  So I missed the man. But yeah, it was so bit so busy
• 34:26
  and stuff around there. There was like on City Beach Rd.
• 34:28
  that was all closed off and there was like must have been 30
• 34:32
  or 40 public buses. They're just like ready to go I
• 34:35
  assume ship people back to the city or to the nearest train
• 34:38
  station or something. Like this is fair enough, it's a
• 34:41
  big race, but I can Can you imagine what this city to surf
• 34:45
  in Sydney is like what, like 90,000 people in Bondi, which is
• 34:50
  just a pain to get out of on a normal day, never mind when
• 34:54
  there's like 90,000 runners there.
• 34:57
  Yeah, no, it's good. It's cool event.
• 34:58
  I like the the way like you start in the city and like you
• 35:01
  finish near like it's a cool sort of race.
• 35:05
  Again, I'm not sure. Is there any prize money though?
• 35:07
  Do they pay? I don't think they do, do they?
• 35:10
  Don't know if it's advertised, they used to.
• 35:12
  Did you get prize money last year?
• 35:14
  You pay £76 to enter the race and you don't get a single cent.
• 35:21
  I actually had to buy 2 T-shirts because when I finished all
• 35:24
  obviously all my stuff was in the city so I was just freezing.
• 35:28
  I was going to catch hypothermia so I had to like buy AT shirt
• 35:31
  from there. So they got like no I don't
• 35:35
  know, first might get paid I'm not too sure, but 2nd 100% does
• 35:39
  not get a cent unless they've changed.
• 35:41
  So they use yeah, again, when this was so Chevron's like one
• 35:45
  of the major oil and gas companies that are the major
• 35:47
  sponsor. There used to be quite a bit of
• 35:49
  price money in a lot of these races.
• 35:51
  But yeah, I think it that a lot of it's fallen away.
• 35:54
  I think I. Won the four wouldn't.
• 35:55
  Yeah. Yeah, they should.
• 35:58
  Yeah. Yeah, I think it's.
• 36:02
  I mean, there's still the, a lot of proceeds go to the active
• 36:06
  foundation. So there's certainly the charity
• 36:08
  elements still there and that's always, that's been consistent
• 36:10
  throughout. But I don't know in terms of
• 36:13
  prize money, in terms of whether or not they've.
• 36:15
  Yeah, moved away from it just being a fundraising event rather
• 36:20
  than competition and fundraising event.
• 36:22
  I. Think I'd like TD for charity,
• 36:25
  but sort of bullshit in a way like that that like it's a mass
• 36:27
  big oil company, yeah. Yeah, they make make decent
• 36:31
  margin. Couldn't just give £100 or even
• 36:33
  give your entry back to like the top three.
• 36:37
  Yeah. So how many years ago is this
• 36:40
  now? So say 10 years ago, say 2015,
• 36:43
  what you would have is you'd have a regional, it was almost
• 36:46
  like a Diamond League. So what they did is they'd have,
• 36:49
  and I think they had Karratha. So there's a lot of oil and gas
• 36:52
  assets out in a regional town of in the northwest of WA town
• 36:59
  called Karratha. They have, they had a Caratha
• 37:02
  city to serve, a Geraldton city to serve, an Albany city to
• 37:05
  serve, a Bustleton city to serve perhaps one more.
• 37:09
  And then that would have to, and then it'll culminate in the per
• 37:11
  city to serve. So that would be two weeks apart
• 37:13
  and they'd run A12K in all of the regional cities.
• 37:16
  And I think the prize money is like 2 grand for the win, 1000
• 37:19
  bucks per second, 500 bucks for third men's and women's.
• 37:22
  And then it would build up to the crescendo.
• 37:24
  That was a per city to serve. And they had more events and,
• 37:27
  and bigger prizes and stuff. And that was so cool.
• 37:29
  Like everyone sort of had a bit of like a winter series, People
• 37:33
  would sort of work out who's racing what and you'd hunt
• 37:36
  around trying to win a bit of prize money and people, the
• 37:39
  local towns would get up for these races.
• 37:41
  And yeah, that was when it was sort of at its best.
• 37:44
  But then, for whatever reason, it's fallen away.
• 37:48
  And fair enough, it probably it will cost a lot of money to put
• 37:51
  this on because the closing the roads and stuff.
• 37:53
  However like there are mass, mass participation on that.
• 37:57
  So I think like part of sponsoring a race should be that
• 38:02
  you definitely give some sort of prize money anyway, no.
• 38:07
  Well. Like Dan Kanala, Luke Bait, like
• 38:10
  you're trying to be professional athletes, like the meta train
• 38:14
  hours they put in a week to run a race like this and to not get
• 38:17
  a single cent, It's not fair. Carlos is fit though, isn't he?
• 38:21
  Yeah, it's great. In the back of his 227.
• 38:25
  Is he training for Anton in particular?
• 38:27
  I actually bumped into him at Lake Monger on Thursday, Said
• 38:31
  he's doing the Perth Marathon at the Perth Running Festival, so
• 38:36
  in October. I tell you what boys, this
• 38:39
  morning was not a good day to be injured.
• 38:42
  When you get up and you've got Sydney Marathon on TV and the
• 38:45
  whole, like, hype of it all weekend, and then I go outside
• 38:50
  to go on my bike and because my apartment's in the city, it's
• 38:54
  like that, like cool fresh air in the morning before, like
• 38:58
  anyone's awake before the city is like starting it's day.
• 39:02
  But then you've got all the runners scurrying around in the
• 39:05
  little city to serve T-shirts and stuffing a banana down the
• 39:09
  face and rushing to the start line.
• 39:11
  And I'm there, like just about to head out on a bike ride just
• 39:15
  battling my demons like, But yeah.
• 39:18
  I feel, yeah, yeah. It'll be worth it.
• 39:21
  You'll you'll come good. Sydney Marathon, do you know?
• 39:24
  Yeah, this is my turn to butcher a couple of names, I think.
• 39:30
  Here we go. So the winner was Ethiopians
• 39:37
  highly highlight Marie Miriam Kiros Kebidu.
• 39:44
  How's that in two O 6? OI, heard the commentators.
• 39:49
  Was it the fastest marathon run on Australian soil?
• 39:52
  Like how did someone run 20606 with that elevation?
• 39:56
  I find that hard to get my head around.
• 39:58
  That's insanely fast. And then second was Adisu Gobina
• 40:04
  Agar Agar and then third was to bellow and I can feel Owen
• 40:09
  excited for me to even have a go at this Rama Kang goanna IN20647
• 40:15
  from is it not even going to go at the country?
• 40:18
  But. Yeah.
• 40:21
  So yeah, some fast times out front.
• 40:23
  Did you guys catch the race? Any reflections on the the
• 40:26
  result? It looked like a beautiful day
• 40:27
  weather wise in Sydney. But obviously, as we know and as
• 40:30
  we've spoken about the the course itself is pretty
• 40:32
  challenging. I stayed up to watch the first
• 40:36
  hour and a half and then I got so fed up of the commentary, the
• 40:41
  ads, I was like, you know what, it's actually not worth it
• 40:43
  staying up anymore. And I went to bed the only like
• 40:47
  I was just looking forward to seeing how the Australians will
• 40:49
  play out. And you genuinely didn't see a
• 40:52
  single second of Brett Robinson have to Leanne Lisa.
• 40:58
  Yeah, No, I was just. Annoyed.
• 41:01
  Yeah, similar. To be fair, I started the 4:30
• 41:04
  AM all time and I put it on through 15 K into the race and I
• 41:09
  was like, oh, OK, like excited to see kind of like where
• 41:11
  Justin, Lisa and etcetera were up to and the camera just stayed
• 41:16
  on the front men's pack. But to be fair, like at that
• 41:20
  point as well, the wheelchair races were kind of finishing or
• 41:25
  like into the last 10K at least. And they're spending a lot of
• 41:28
  time on that. And like, I get that, like,
• 41:31
  obviously it has its place and stuff, but not in spite of a
• 41:34
  world major marathon. Like it's a tough one.
• 41:37
  And then they'll cut to the adverts, like you say, a lot.
• 41:39
  And when they went on an advert, it was a panoramic shot from a
• 41:44
  drone or a helicopter of the Sydney Opera House or the
• 41:46
  Harbour Bridge. And like, I know they've got to
• 41:49
  sell cities about Sydney as a destination, but like,
• 41:53
  everyone's tuned in to watch the race.
• 41:55
  If, if the people aren't Australian, then OK, they might
• 42:00
  be interested with the front of the race and how Kip Jogi is
• 42:03
  going to do and stuff. But from within Australia, which
• 42:06
  is the host country, there's been a lot of media and
• 42:09
  narrative around the Australian only race within the race.
• 42:13
  And it just, yeah, it was. It was a shame really because
• 42:16
  you didn't see any of it or even hear any of it until kind of
• 42:20
  like they got to the finish and you're having to follow how the
• 42:23
  race was unfolding by checking the splits on a bloody app or
• 42:28
  website. Yeah, it's a bit of a shame.
• 42:30
  Like I think we're not alone in terms of really wanting to see
• 42:34
  the like, because they've been so good in creating their pool
• 42:38
  in terms of building a domestic field both on the men's and
• 42:41
  women's is insane. Like you've not you wouldn't
• 42:44
  have seen it a head to head marathon race this deep on both
• 42:48
  men's and women's sort of outside a championship where you
• 42:51
  can only send three. Like it was pretty.
• 42:53
  It's so cool. So, but then to actually other
• 42:56
  than like a virtual tracker to not be able to follow it sucks.
• 42:59
  So like, can't you just split screen some of that stuff and
• 43:02
  just and run both races in parallel?
• 43:04
  Like how much money is being pumped into Sydney off the back
• 43:08
  of this event and you can't follow what you think is like
• 43:13
  some pretty main headlines? Yeah, just bitch shit.
• 43:15
  Like when they got into Centennial Park the man like the
• 43:19
  move started being made is around 30 K like you see in the
• 43:21
  group stretch and stuff. And then it they cut to a bloody
• 43:25
  interview that the commentator done with Kipchogi and Saffan
• 43:29
  Hassan outside the Opera House 3 days ago.
• 43:31
  And guys, that interview was painful.
• 43:34
  I actually felt sorry for his Sonic Jogia to be such true that
• 43:38
  like Kip Joe gives that you just agree in whatever Hassan said.
• 43:42
  It was, it was pain. It was.
• 43:45
  Imagine having his son and Kip Jogi like they're beside you and
• 43:49
  some clown interviewing them but like asking them totally
• 43:52
  irrelevant questions. Fucks sake.
• 43:53
  Should have got it, was no Cam Levin's interview, was it?
• 43:57
  Ryan would have flew over for free.
• 43:59
  You know, do you know what I was trying to like, compare it to
• 44:02
  another sport to make it make sense and like, I was thinking
• 44:05
  about football or soccer. It's like ourselves and other
• 44:11
  podcasts and media and running fans and stuff have kind of like
• 44:15
  built this narrative and the story around like the Australian
• 44:18
  storyline and these head to heads and stuff.
• 44:20
  And then when the actual live spectacle comes, like the
• 44:23
  actual, say, football match for example, it's like just running
• 44:27
  adverts all throughout it and you don't see anything.
• 44:29
  You just see what the full time score is.
• 44:31
  Yeah. But anyway, well, you'd need to
• 44:36
  read the women's result as well. Yeah.
• 44:39
  So, so this one I think went pretty well to the form book,
• 44:43
  right. So Sifan Hassan won in 2/18/22.
• 44:47
  Richard Koskai was second in two 1856 and work Nesh Ghomesa was
• 44:52
  third in 2/22/15. So first two had the two
• 44:57
  strongest PPS coming in and we're sort of clearly one and
• 45:00
  two, they're most credentialed. So yeah, sort of as you played
• 45:06
  out high profile athletes as well.
• 45:09
  Very good. I think a really good reflection
• 45:11
  on the Sydney Marathon. Those results, those results
• 45:13
  make sense. Incredible times given how
• 45:14
  challenging the course is, but not unsurprising given sort of
• 45:17
  how quick that they ran at Paris, which was also very or
• 45:23
  Sifan did at Paris, you know, and pretty what might have been
• 45:27
  somewhat similar sort of race, albeit not pace.
• 45:30
  So yeah, pretty cool. Doesn't it make you think when
• 45:33
  you see that Stefan and Koskai, they have run sub 219 and
• 45:38
  compare that to the world champ standard for the women was
• 45:41
  2/23/30 which Brits and Australians alike have found
• 45:47
  difficult in running that standard.
• 45:49
  And these two just come to a very hilly course in Sydney and
• 45:53
  just like piss all over it. And it's not by any means a
• 45:56
  reflection of the athletes who are trying really hard to run
• 46:00
  the standard because it's a really tough standard.
• 46:02
  It's more So what on earth Saffan Hassan and Koskaya are up
• 46:06
  to. Like they're just outrageously
• 46:09
  good athletes. And then the Aussie men's race,
• 46:13
  so half 2 string sauce got the win to 1127.
• 46:18
  Tom Dicanto second in two 1325 Brett Robinson was third in 215
• 46:25
  flat. This series of other domestic
• 46:27
  guys whose strong performances as well.
• 46:29
  Fraser Darcy 2/17/24. Steve McKenna 2/18/26.
• 46:34
  Sam Clifford 221. Karen Perkins was 2/23/22.
• 46:39
  What are your thoughts on those results?
• 46:41
  Because we kind of all guessed that Brett would win, I think,
• 46:44
  didn't we? Yeah, yeah.
• 46:46
  I thought he, Brett was training really well.
• 46:48
  I thought have to maybe had the potential to run well.
• 46:50
  But given he DNF his last marathon, I still would have, if
• 46:55
  I was to pick one, would have picked Brett.
• 46:57
  Yeah, I think I've I've picked out a few of their splits here.
• 47:00
  And because again, you didn't see how the race went.
• 47:03
  So you don't really know. You have to look at the splits
• 47:05
  to see like where people were gapped and stuff and but have to
• 47:09
  look serve ran it pretty even. So as fast as 5K was 1502 off
• 47:13
  the line, the 1st 5K which is downhill.
• 47:16
  Fair enough. And then he kind of settled
• 47:17
  151115301535 and then towards the end he just drifted slightly
• 47:24
  15581635, whereas someone like Brett, he started the race with
• 47:29
  half to 1502 through 5, 1511, the next 5K split, the kind of
• 47:35
  side by side there. And then Brett's just kind of
• 47:39
  suffered a little bit maybe from K onwards.
• 47:42
  And obviously we'll kind of hear from Brett himself in terms of
• 47:45
  like what happened on the day. But Needless to say, I think he
• 47:50
  probably will be quite disappointed because not only
• 47:52
  did he not win, but he was also beaten to 2nd.
• 47:56
  He got passed by Tom Decanto. I think I was trying to figure
• 47:59
  out where it would have been. Somewhere towards the end though
• 48:01
  it was beyond K and Tom Decanto splits look very impressive
• 48:07
  indeed. So his first 5K which is the
• 48:09
  massive downhill one is 1522 and then his last 5K between 35 and
• 48:15
  40K he's around 1526. So like, fair play.
• 48:19
  That's incredible execution, isn't it?
• 48:22
  You'd wonder what happened to him at that between 25 and 30 K
• 48:26
  His his split is 17 O1, which is just like and not like.
• 48:31
  It's an outlier. Yeah, I don't know if it's
• 48:33
  misread something there. I sent him a message to say well
• 48:37
  done. He said he was.
• 48:39
  He said he felt like it was like he really loved it, loved the
• 48:43
  race and that he was sort of excited, you know, come 30K was
• 48:47
  trying to hunt down the guys in front.
• 48:49
  So I think he sort of knew there was a few people that sort of
• 48:53
  went out pretty aggressively with some of those paces.
• 48:55
  And so he sort of must have said himself for just running his
• 49:00
  race and then, yeah, letting them hoping that they would come
• 49:03
  back to him late. And so he was, yeah, he sort of
• 49:05
  had in the back of his mind who he knew who he was chasing down.
• 49:09
  And I don't know, 213 like as his run.
• 49:13
  Was it 211 high at Valencia? Like to be a minute and a half
• 49:16
  off that. Yeah, That's, that's pretty
• 49:20
  impressive. Like you'd have to think that
• 49:22
  maybe you can he can run quicker again, which is, which is pretty
• 49:26
  cool. Like that's, yeah, hard, hard to
• 49:29
  get your head around. Did Fraser Darcy, did he win
• 49:32
  Ballarat? He was second, so yeah, at
• 49:36
  Ballarat. So he, he, yeah.
• 49:38
  So he was just in front of us at Ballarat.
• 49:40
  And what did you run in Ballarat?
• 49:41
  218 mid maybe? So you're on faster here.
• 49:47
  Ballarat's tough course, you know, very tough.
• 49:49
  No, I think it's a very good run.
• 49:50
  Yeah, it's the 500 meters of altitude, obviously.
• 49:54
  I think that's a very good run. He must be very fit at the
• 49:56
  minute. And on the splits kind of things
• 49:58
  as well, I was looking at some Clifford because well, just
• 50:02
  because and then he went, he actually started quickest of of
• 50:06
  anyone. So Brett and have to kind of
• 50:09
  went through the 1st split together, but some Clifford was
• 50:11
  ahead of them. So then jeez, it looks like he
• 50:14
  had a tough day because he went through halfway in 66 and he's
• 50:18
  then went on to run 221. So that second-half must have
• 50:23
  been absolute torture. And that goes to show this is a
• 50:27
  good way to highlight because I have to and Sam were kind of
• 50:32
  down as debutant but have to and he keeps saying it himself like
• 50:37
  you've won the Australian race, hats off to you.
• 50:39
  Absolutely incredible. But it's not your debut, your
• 50:42
  debut, it was your DNF. Like you've stood on the start
• 50:47
  line before. That is what it is.
• 50:49
  But you wouldn't your second marathon.
• 50:50
  Well, you wouldn't get Australian champs.
• 50:52
  And I feel like Sam Clifford learned what Cam was saying
• 50:58
  about the marathon, that everyone else will hear it
• 51:01
  during the middle of the week. A tough lesson, I'll leave it at
• 51:03
  that. It just goes to show, like you
• 51:05
  find out in the marathon basically because he'd done some
• 51:08
  incredible training and like posted some ridiculous sessions
• 51:12
  himself and you are looking at it almost thinking like Jesus
• 51:16
  boy might have a chance. But it takes a few.
• 51:18
  Feel like in a way, the way he was going about it, he was sort
• 51:22
  of distressed in the marathon in a way that like he thought it
• 51:25
  was going to be all right. Like he was running like these
• 51:28
  crazy long runs. And he done an interview on the
• 51:32
  other podcast and I think he was so confident that he was going
• 51:36
  to just smash it out of the park.
• 51:38
  But like the marathon is just like, obviously I've never run
• 51:41
  1, so I don't know. But it's just a different animal
• 51:44
  altogether. Like it just chews you up and
• 51:47
  spits you out if you disrespect it anyway at all.
• 51:49
  What's that saying? Fuck around and find out.
• 51:52
  It was, yeah, Cam's comments about like at 30 K and you
• 51:57
  being, you know, not in a good place.
• 51:59
  And the difference between that and an 800m runner, I thought
• 52:03
  that was pretty. That was pretty cool.
• 52:05
  As in an 800 meter you struggle for less than a minute.
• 52:08
  Where isn't a marathon? Poor Sam could have been
• 52:11
  struggling for 50. He's, yeah, he's thinking about
• 52:17
  life for an hour, regretting regretting your decisions for
• 52:21
  the better part of an hour. Meanwhile an 800 meter run has
• 52:24
  got about 20 seconds to be like, oh, I reckon I fucked that.
• 52:27
  I reckon I've gone out too hard. And then in the women's
• 52:35
  Australian Champs for the women's, Leanne Pompiani was
• 52:39
  first in two 2447, Jess Stenson was second in 2/28/56 and Lisa
• 52:44
  Wightman was third in two, 2934. So yeah, so I guess Leanne.
• 52:51
  So taste it, fellas. I I honestly thought that the
• 52:56
  180 K flu week was going to come back and bite her but that's an
• 53:01
  insane run isn't it 224 there? Yeah.
• 53:06
  So because what did she run on? She ran around that time, didn't
• 53:11
  she, when she debuted earlier in the year?
• 53:14
  Yeah, So what does she run on a flat Valencia?
• 53:18
  Mate it's pretty scary to think isn't it?
• 53:19
  Because I'll be honest, like up until now I hadn't thought of
• 53:23
  her as the same level as Izzy or Jess.
• 53:28
  But I'll be happy to eat my words here.
• 53:31
  And we're de solo. Do you know if it was just a
• 53:34
  group of them, the women or? So this was interest because
• 53:37
  literally I didn't have a clue even though I watched the race
• 53:41
  until before when I was like doing the agenda and stuff so
• 53:44
  far. I'll have a look into how it's
• 53:46
  actually played out. So I know they were together for
• 53:49
  I knew they were together for a while and I thought I want to
• 53:51
  see like kinda what's happened, interpret somebody data to find
• 53:55
  out how the race went. And yeah, they were together
• 53:58
  until somewhere between 30 and 35 K.
• 54:01
  And during that split, the put 34 seconds into her and then the
• 54:07
  next one she put another minute 40 in.
• 54:10
  But it looks as though Leanne kind of held pace whereas Jess
• 54:14
  really started to struggle. So her last 5K split, she ran
• 54:19
  1914 and you kind of seen that as she crossed the finish line,
• 54:26
  she's laughing like because you're not aerobically hurt and
• 54:30
  by that point you just physically hurt.
• 54:32
  And like if you're slowing down that much, you're obviously so
• 54:35
  fit that that's not hard. It's just really hard on your
• 54:37
  body. And like she's almost crumbled
• 54:40
  over the finish line. So then I rolled it down and
• 54:43
  thought, well, she's beaten Lisa Wakeman into second, but kind of
• 54:47
  how was that going? And like Lisa was closing the
• 54:50
  gap fast in that last because the way it splits out, it does
• 54:55
  force up to 40K and then the remaining 2195K or something.
• 55:00
  And in that last 2.195 K, Lisa closed around a minute for Fiona
• 55:06
  and she's only ended up finishing like 40 seconds back.
• 55:09
  So another K and she had that. Cool hey and like like like
• 55:13
  these races and like people with different strategies and like
• 55:17
  the calibre of athletes like so good.
• 55:19
  So it's just such a shame that it's like you don't get much of
• 55:22
  that. You don't get to appreciate that
• 55:24
  as you're viewing, you know, disappointing.
• 55:27
  But anyway, one day. And it was nice to see that.
• 55:31
  Did you see on the finish line they were all kind of come
• 55:34
  together and hugging and smiling and stuff?
• 55:36
  Yeah, it was pretty wholesome moments.
• 55:39
  Lisa and Jess. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 55:43
  Fair play. Bygones be bygones.
• 55:46
  So on our predictions, I had to look.
• 55:48
  I got one out of four because we guessed the Australian winners
• 55:52
  and the overall winners. I can't remember.
• 55:54
  I think I backed Leanne and have to.
• 55:57
  I got the ladies, so two out of four.
• 56:00
  Actually, how did Lean Adams do? He's Mia.
• 56:03
  Yeah, I wonder if he was a day on that.
• 56:05
  Yeah, I feel like it was so anti climactic and anti climactic the
• 56:09
  whole stream and I don't know, I was expecting a lot more.
• 56:13
  We'll have to get rights to it for next year.
• 56:16
  Yeah, fly me over. That one's suspicious.
• 56:20
  That one's. That Moroccan guy.
• 56:24
  Yeah, what's his name, the race director, like Wayne Lauder or
• 56:28
  Lana or something? Yeah, bring in this ridiculously
• 56:32
  elite field and I won't let any of them make it to the start
• 56:35
  line. Just stay with them a month
• 56:37
  before the race. Just let me watch every move
• 56:40
  they make anyway. Well, thanks for that.
• 56:42
  That wraps up the results section.
• 56:44
  So training weeks, I think Owen is going to tell us about his
• 56:48
  race week. Yeah.
• 56:50
  So this was sort of my last week of like my sort of comeback
• 56:56
  training block, fat camp, let's call it.
• 57:00
  On Monday. I did just 45 minutes easy and
• 57:04
  then I done 10 by 8 second hill strides with the rest in that
• 57:10
  evening. So I'm not easy doubling any of
• 57:13
  these days. Tuesday was sort of my last
• 57:15
  session. So it was 3 by 5 minutes of 60
• 57:19
  seconds and I was hitting these 5 minutes in around like 310 to
• 57:23
  3:15. And then I had 2 1/2 minute jog
• 57:27
  and then I had a 1K at 5K pace and I had a mayor here so I
• 57:35
  started the 1K Rep and obviously you guys know that my track is
• 57:42
  336 meters long. So I went through like one lap
• 57:47
  and I looked down and I watched to see how I was going and had
• 57:51
  my paused it. I hadn't actually started to
• 57:54
  rap. I was like no.
• 57:57
  So I was like do I keep on going or do I just stop?
• 58:01
  So I stopped anyway, took 30 seconds and then I went for that
• 58:06
  K again. And I think I hit like around
• 58:10
  258 per kilometer and with the satellite and like the track is
• 58:18
  marked that it's nearly 3 laps of the track is 1K.
• 58:23
  But the watch, the watch always beeps, let's say 50 meters from
• 58:27
  the line. So I know I have to be hitting
• 58:31
  like when my watch beeps, I should nearly be in like the 248
• 58:35
  or something to then run a 250. What's it, 5 or 8 kilometer?
• 58:42
  So yeah, it's sort of annoying in that regard, but it's still
• 58:46
  in the right session then. Yeah, just a little cool down
• 58:49
  Wednesday again, 45 minutes easy and then 8 by 8 seconds strides
• 58:57
  and I got needles, dry needles. And Wednesday evening, I sort of
• 59:03
  always get them like once a month and just to like really, I
• 59:09
  feel like that's really good for my calves.
• 59:11
  How much is that 3? £50 it's priceless if it keeps
• 59:15
  me healthy. It's cheaper than bloody, like
• 59:19
  the getting injured and all the stuff you have to do with that,
• 59:22
  isn't it, as you found out. Yes.
• 59:25
  Definitely. So like I feel I've gotten a
• 59:27
  routine where every second week I get a massage and then two
• 59:31
  weeks after that I get needles. Two weeks after that I get
• 59:34
  massage, two weeks after that I got needles.
• 59:36
  So I just stay doing that and it's working for me at the
• 59:39
  moment. Thursday I did at 35 minutes
• 59:43
  easy in the morning and then Friday was race day.
• 59:46
  So I don't know, 30 minute shake out in the morning, 6.4
• 59:49
  kilometres. And then I don't know why, like
• 59:52
  this was just a little local like 5K race, like it's my home
• 59:57
  club, like put it on. But I was more nervous for this
• 1:00:00
  race than I was for, like, the nationals.
• 1:00:05
  Do you think it's because you had something to lose?
• 1:00:08
  Like at nationals you sort of it doesn't matter where you come,
• 1:00:12
  if you run a good time, it's a bonus.
• 1:00:15
  Whereas this one you sort of you post at a time at nationals and
• 1:00:19
  so therefore maybe you're a little bit expected to win.
• 1:00:22
  Yeah. And I feel like, I feel like,
• 1:00:24
  'cause the place I'm in is so centered around like Gaelic
• 1:00:28
  football, and I used to play Gaelic football, people are
• 1:00:32
  like, why the hell are you running?
• 1:00:34
  Like, why are you not playing Gaelic football?
• 1:00:36
  So I sort of like in a way, I had a like a little point to
• 1:00:39
  prove just to show like, I'm not just messing about with this
• 1:00:43
  running stuff. Like I'm like serious about it.
• 1:00:45
  And I'll. So yeah.
• 1:00:46
  And it's nice to like. You were given a bloody
• 1:00:48
  appearance fee by your your. Club funny, yeah, No, it's nice
• 1:00:52
  to like start a show like the local community like that.
• 1:00:55
  I'm taking this running like pretty serious and I'll sort of
• 1:00:59
  lock goes into it. But yeah, I done my usual warm
• 1:01:01
  up. I've just 15 minute jog and then
• 1:01:04
  two-minute threshold, one minute jog, 2 minute threshold and
• 1:01:07
  again, yeah, I was feeling good. And then yeah, the race, it sort
• 1:01:12
  of starts with like a slight downhill and then like there is
• 1:01:15
  a big pinch for like the next mile and then you go downhill
• 1:01:19
  again and a little pinch again. So it's not like a dead flat
• 1:01:22
  course. So put it that way.
• 1:01:23
  And I knew that there was this like there was a guy who's able
• 1:01:28
  to run like 15 low in the race, so I was pretty cautious of him.
• 1:01:34
  So the first like kilometer downhill, I sort of just tucked
• 1:01:37
  in and sort of just floated down the hill.
• 1:01:39
  And then I sort of pushed it on the uphill.
• 1:01:44
  And yeah, I dropped him a little bit early.
• 1:01:47
  So I was just like front running it and ended up winning the
• 1:01:52
  race. I ran 1446 and that was a new
• 1:01:56
  course record, so it's nice to hold the course record as well.
• 1:02:01
  And it was nice to like sort of win my local 5K, sort of.
• 1:02:04
  I meant a lot. So yeah, happy with that.
• 1:02:09
  And I haven't run since I took Saturday off.
• 1:02:11
  I'm taking today off. I'll do a few jogs next week.
• 1:02:14
  But yeah, sort of like my break time.
• 1:02:16
  It shows is it second K? It's like 40 meters of
• 1:02:20
  elevation, so that's a pretty steep pinch, hey?
• 1:02:23
  No, it is. It was a it's a pole, so and
• 1:02:27
  fair to be fair, after that it's a nice downhill.
• 1:02:29
  But even like the downhill, it rattles your quads.
• 1:02:32
  Like I nearly prefer going up the hill and down the hill and
• 1:02:36
  you're trying to control yourself And no, like look, 1446
• 1:02:40
  on that course. It's sort of like it's a road.
• 1:02:41
  It's a road PB as well for me, like KPB.
• 1:02:44
  So no, I was happy with it. It was a lovely evening.
• 1:02:47
  So yeah, no, so I said it's just the arms again.
• 1:02:53
  They feel with lactic and I don't know if we need to like
• 1:02:57
  massage them out or something. But yeah, they started slowly
• 1:03:00
  building. Now it wasn't near as bad as the
• 1:03:03
  the 10 mile, but umm, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:03:07
  I must be using my arms more or just a little bit tense.
• 1:03:11
  I need to relax, do a Camel Evans on it.
• 1:03:14
  Just settle. Just swallow.
• 1:03:16
  Just so much a mass. Hold the gym.
• 1:03:19
  To clarify, you didn't get an appearance fee, at least as far
• 1:03:22
  as I'm aware, but you did say offline that you you swallowed
• 1:03:25
  their annual budget and prize money.
• 1:03:28
  Yeah, so like a lot of people are saying, oh, it's going to be
• 1:03:32
  a great payday for you and all this both because before the
• 1:03:36
  race they announced that there was going to be a prize for the
• 1:03:40
  course record and the course record before this was 1520.
• 1:03:45
  So in a way, I should, I probably should have done a
• 1:03:48
  mondo and just knocked a couple of seconds off it because it's
• 1:03:53
  going to be hard to beat next year.
• 1:03:56
  No, I yeah, it was a payday for me.
• 1:04:00
  But the next day I went up to nearly the top of Ireland to
• 1:04:06
  look at treadmills and I cashed out on a treadmill.
• 1:04:08
  So I'm. I'm in the negative again.
• 1:04:11
  You bought one. Yeah, Well, I'm, Yeah, I'm
• 1:04:14
  getting a treadmill. I'm getting a a techno gym one
• 1:04:17
  sort of an older it's not like one of the brand new ones, but
• 1:04:21
  yeah, it's after setting me back a good bit.
• 1:04:23
  So I need to find a few more races to try to win.
• 1:04:26
  I'll be paying it. I'll be paying it off for the
• 1:04:28
  next year. More to.
• 1:04:31
  And the garage has a. Have you made space in there for
• 1:04:33
  it? Yeah.
• 1:04:34
  So the garage is halfed now. So even though we're planning on
• 1:04:39
  putting the two dogs in another shed, but at the moment they're
• 1:04:42
  in the garage along with the barbecue in the freezer.
• 1:04:46
  So half of it is free for we're getting a treadmill and a Watt
• 1:04:51
  bike because it's inevitable I will get injured.
• 1:04:55
  So at least I'll have that to cross train.
• 1:04:57
  But yeah, I have to after this I'm going to paint the ceiling,
• 1:05:00
  put a second coat on the ceiling.
• 1:05:03
  I maybe start on the walls, but like the floor has a cut floors,
• 1:05:07
  concrete. I had to like paint over that
• 1:05:09
  because the concrete just leaves dust.
• 1:05:12
  So yeah, hopefully we'll get the treadmill late next week or the
• 1:05:16
  week after, but like I'm a no rush really because next week
• 1:05:19
  I'm just doing like little 30 minute jogs.
• 1:05:21
  So it'll be so nice to have. I can't wait to get it.
• 1:05:24
  That BBQ must be getting a a working out with this Irish heat
• 1:05:28
  wave going on. It got a good run out this year.
• 1:05:31
  It was as fair like use probably had the wettest summer, the
• 1:05:34
  wettest winter in a long time. We probably had the best summer
• 1:05:38
  in a long time. So yeah.
• 1:05:40
  There was. No.
• 1:05:41
  You're welcome. Yeah.
• 1:05:44
  I timed that well, leaving leaving using the rain for I'm.
• 1:05:48
  Not it does feel like it's been in a long wet winter day.
• 1:05:52
  And are they always this long and West?
• 1:05:55
  No, normally it's like today's weather.
• 1:05:58
  We normally get a few more days like today where it's, you know,
• 1:06:02
  low 20s and sunny. Like we don't think this has
• 1:06:05
  been a bit more wet than the normal.
• 1:06:07
  I mean, it's what are we? The 31st is officially the last
• 1:06:11
  day of winter. I think so Spring on spring.
• 1:06:14
  Because even like last week I was, I heard someone talking
• 1:06:17
  about, I can't remember which city it was in, another city in
• 1:06:20
  Australia anyway, and describing it as like a gorgeous spring
• 1:06:23
  day. And like at the time it was
• 1:06:26
  absolutely pissing down and freezing here.
• 1:06:28
  And I was thinking, oh come on, Perth supposed to have like the
• 1:06:30
  golden climate in Australia? We'll get there.
• 1:06:33
  It's coming. It's coming, right?
• 1:06:36
  I just saw the your cat climb over.
• 1:06:39
  I, I did say I don't know if it was in the clubhouse or
• 1:06:43
  elsewhere. People have been asking for a
• 1:06:45
  cat update, so all's well. There is demand for the cat,
• 1:06:48
  isn't there? To be fair.
• 1:06:50
  Yeah, all's well with gummy bear.
• 1:06:52
  He's taking over. He's the 5:00 AM alarm.
• 1:06:56
  The scratching the door down. You know, seeing as people want
• 1:06:59
  to hear about the cat, I'll tell about the cat story.
• 1:07:02
  It's what's going on. We might lose some listeners
• 1:07:04
  here. The other day I was in the
• 1:07:06
  office and Becky's bought this mad feeder forum whereby like
• 1:07:10
  when you're out all day, it can gradually dispense food or like
• 1:07:14
  on request, you can press a button LinkedIn the app.
• 1:07:16
  So it's also got a camera in it. And Becky had seen on the camera
• 1:07:20
  that the feeding machine was like this on its side.
• 1:07:24
  So like the camera was showing it had been knocked over.
• 1:07:27
  So obviously panic stations like the cat might not get food for
• 1:07:31
  the six hours or whatever. So on my lunch break I've walked
• 1:07:34
  home from the office to stand the feed the back up and ensure
• 1:07:38
  this poor cat doesn't starve to death.
• 1:07:40
  And then this soft boogers just knocked it over, got the lid off
• 1:07:45
  the top and ate all the food out of it.
• 1:07:47
  So that's why it was on its side.
• 1:07:49
  Not hungry at all. Yeah, who's having a fat nap?
• 1:07:53
  Was that Friday by any chance or?
• 1:07:56
  No, the other wouldn't have got away with it on Friday after our
• 1:08:01
  extended coffee. I wondered why you had to wrap
• 1:08:03
  coffee up is to to get home for gum bum.
• 1:08:08
  Gummy bear will be called Toby Bear in a bit.
• 1:08:10
  Yeah, right. And if you if you skip the last
• 1:08:13
  60 seconds, welcome back. We're back to the Easy Double
• 1:08:16
  podcast. And oh, and Dean, it's up to you
• 1:08:20
  whether you want to do training. We can talk about your injury or
• 1:08:22
  we can just leave it with Evan's training.
• 1:08:24
  Make it up to you. Now if you're happy to get out a
• 1:08:28
  box of tissues and sort of cry with me.
• 1:08:31
  So you want to talk? Yeah.
• 1:08:34
  Oh, I could, yeah. I mean, there's not.
• 1:08:35
  I mean, there's not a heck of a lot.
• 1:08:40
  I ran up until Friday, so I haven't run today.
• 1:08:43
  Did run yesterday, essentially. I think when we last spoke, the
• 1:08:48
  plan was just to sort of deload. So I stopped doing workouts and
• 1:08:51
  I continued that this week. I think I did, it must have been
• 1:08:57
  about 50 minutes steady on the way home.
• 1:08:59
  And then Thursday I went to the session at Munga, did all my
• 1:09:01
  drills and strides and tried to do a heap of like activation
• 1:09:04
  stuff before doing a steady run on Thursday.
• 1:09:08
  And where sort of the original site is from where my pain was,
• 1:09:11
  you know, in that sort of lower abdominal area that's really
• 1:09:15
  settled down, which is really good.
• 1:09:17
  So I'm still seeing the physio every Wednesday getting
• 1:09:19
  treatment. Did quite a decent gym session
• 1:09:23
  on Monday, which based on the recent interview I need to do
• 1:09:26
  more of. But yeah, so things have settled
• 1:09:29
  down there. But unfortunately I'm sort of
• 1:09:31
  getting pain in my on the right side of my like pubic area at
• 1:09:35
  the moment. So it's sort of the way I sort
• 1:09:38
  of describe it is I sort of like, I feel like I've stirred
• 1:09:41
  up the whole area and there's just like a lot of like spot
• 1:09:43
  fires going off in my hip area. But the main area of pain now is
• 1:09:48
  like this lower part of my pubic, my pubic bone bottom part
• 1:09:52
  of my pelvis. So anyway, it's at the point now
• 1:09:55
  where even like walking and stuff's a bit uncomfortable.
• 1:09:57
  So it's heading not in a good direction.
• 1:09:59
  So basically that means that I've just decided I'll take a
• 1:10:03
  couple of days off. I'll probably have to get a
• 1:10:05
  scan, find out what's going on because it's not even with the
• 1:10:08
  deloading, it's just not playing ball.
• 1:10:10
  So we'll see. Like annoying because I've not
• 1:10:14
  missed. So I was thinking about it
• 1:10:15
  today. I don't think I've missed more
• 1:10:17
  than one or two days because of injuries since 2018.
• 1:10:20
  So it's probably like 7 years where I've not missed.
• 1:10:23
  Yeah, like I've had times where I've like aggravated something
• 1:10:25
  and cannot been able to do workouts, maybe missed one
• 1:10:28
  workout, maybe 2 workouts in a row.
• 1:10:29
  But I've never not been able to run for I've missed periods of
• 1:10:35
  running for health and stuff like being unwell, but not for
• 1:10:39
  physical injury. So I'm going to be very grumpy
• 1:10:42
  not being able to run. But I'll have to find something
• 1:10:44
  to do and. Has this been going on for like
• 1:10:47
  the last 2-3 weeks? Not this pain, so like the, the
• 1:10:52
  abdominal, like the pain in like where.
• 1:10:55
  So I did that half right. And the day after the half
• 1:10:58
  marathon, the where the like we did tests.
• 1:11:01
  So I went and saw the physio say two or three days after, on the
• 1:11:04
  Wednesday after the, I did the half and it was like a, what was
• 1:11:08
  diagnosed as like a hernia pain. And I had the, the start of what
• 1:11:13
  was like, diagnosed as sort of, is it like pubic synthesis or
• 1:11:17
  like, you know, like a, your pubic area being like your Gucci
• 1:11:20
  area being a bit uncomfortable, but very mild.
• 1:11:23
  Like you wouldn't even know unless he did like the physio
• 1:11:26
  did some tests. And so it's really just the, the
• 1:11:30
  hernia pain. Like that was quite an acute
• 1:11:32
  sharp pain. And then over the course of that
• 1:11:35
  week that, that was the main pain.
• 1:11:37
  And then it's probably then a week and a half later.
• 1:11:41
  But like like I did, I think a week, about 8 days after the
• 1:11:45
  half, I did that track session, like the Dekes quarters, no
• 1:11:50
  pubic pain, still mainly hernia pain.
• 1:11:53
  And then it's probably by the end of that week where I'm like,
• 1:11:56
  oh, this is like this pain sort of moved down.
• 1:12:00
  So I'm like, oh gosh, that's annoying.
• 1:12:02
  So then I sort of had two areas of pain.
• 1:12:05
  And then by now, though, I've sort of so then I stopped doing
• 1:12:08
  workouts and I've just done this steady running and now it's
• 1:12:10
  getting to the point even where I'm jogging and it's sort of the
• 1:12:12
  whole like it's hang. It just seems quite angry.
• 1:12:16
  It doesn't make sense like running, running in pain when it
• 1:12:19
  settles down, you know, as you run and you see like the pain
• 1:12:21
  goes gets lower. That feels, feels all right.
• 1:12:24
  But this is getting worse as I'm running, which can't be a good
• 1:12:26
  thing. So like I'm looking at your
• 1:12:28
  Strava bars here and like deload, you probably deloaded
• 1:12:31
  the intensity but like your last like 4 weeks have been 127145146
• 1:12:37
  and like then this week was a down week.
• 1:12:40
  So like you're still like hitting like big, like
• 1:12:44
  relatively big mileage. Yeah, it is like, yeah, it is.
• 1:12:49
  Yeah, that's right. So the the hope is, and this is
• 1:12:52
  when I was chatting with the physio, it's sort of like gather
• 1:12:54
  feedback on your pain scores, keep me updated.
• 1:12:57
  And then as we and so I either message or I've seen him every
• 1:13:01
  week and we sort of just make an assessment as to what to do
• 1:13:03
  next. And we sort of got levers to
• 1:13:05
  pull on 1st lever was pull intensity, next lever is to pull
• 1:13:09
  volume and so on and so forth. So, but it's really not been
• 1:13:13
  quite painful, at least not general pain like until probably
• 1:13:17
  this last four or five days. And so now it's like, what's the
• 1:13:20
  point in running? Like the idea was, hey, I'm keen
• 1:13:24
  to still try and get very fit, like the fittest I've ever been
• 1:13:27
  for Valencia Marathon. And if this settles down, which
• 1:13:31
  most things for me in the past have, like I've had a lot of
• 1:13:34
  flare ups, but nothing that's turned into something long term.
• 1:13:37
  I'll just keep training and if it settles down, it settles
• 1:13:39
  down. But it's not.
• 1:13:40
  So I sort of have to back right off, I suppose.
• 1:13:44
  So, yeah. So look, I but I don't, I could
• 1:13:47
  probably just cut the running in half and do like 30 minute runs,
• 1:13:51
  but I don't know if that's going to be helpful at the minute.
• 1:13:54
  I might as well just get a scan. Have you have you tried like
• 1:13:59
  elliptical or spike? Does that like aggravate it?
• 1:14:02
  So my bike, this is all the the fun things that I get to find
• 1:14:06
  out about now. Like I've not ridden.
• 1:14:08
  I had a nice bike when I did triathlon 10 years ago, so it
• 1:14:12
  needs a service. So I'm going to have to get it
• 1:14:14
  serviced and do all those things.
• 1:14:17
  But I've literally commuted in and out of work for five years
• 1:14:22
  straight. I've not, I couldn't tell you
• 1:14:26
  what an elliptical feels like. Like I've literally not.
• 1:14:29
  I've I just run to and from work every day.
• 1:14:32
  So you're going to start getting the train?
• 1:14:34
  I'm thinking I might just even just just shuffle with a cracked
• 1:14:37
  leg, but no no. That is a terrible idea.
• 1:14:41
  Please do not do that. We want to see you raise
• 1:14:44
  Valencia. Give it the time it needs.
• 1:14:47
  Give it the time it needs. Yeah, we'll, we'll we'll say.
• 1:14:51
  But yeah, I'll hopefully I can help on a bike or do something.
• 1:14:54
  I'll go mad if I have to catch the training.
• 1:14:56
  I was trying to draw comparison to Croker's injury to him the
• 1:15:00
  other day, how that's become like kind of drawn out because
• 1:15:03
  he has kind of continued to like run through it and like not take
• 1:15:08
  it like so seriously maybe. So I was softly like pointing
• 1:15:12
  Dean in that direction and making a few implications, but.
• 1:15:16
  You're so right because I think I remember this Crocrit is going
• 1:15:20
  on since like October, November last year.
• 1:15:24
  And like he was like, it's all right.
• 1:15:25
  I don't need to be fit until like next December.
• 1:15:28
  And now we're literally in September, October, like we're
• 1:15:31
  literally 3 months out and like he is because he hasn't like
• 1:15:35
  taken a period, let's say 4 weeks off to just totally rest
• 1:15:39
  it because he just keeps on doing like giving it a little
• 1:15:43
  like three days a week going back.
• 1:15:45
  Just yeah, just take the jump. Like take the break and just let
• 1:15:50
  your body heal. Yeah.
• 1:15:52
  First of all, I just want to find out what it is like.
• 1:15:56
  So previously it was sort of like it's a hernia.
• 1:15:58
  It's a recurring recurrence of an existing problem.
• 1:16:01
  And so if so, with that information, I'm like, well,
• 1:16:04
  I've dealt with this before, let's let's let it settle down.
• 1:16:08
  And it did, which is really good.
• 1:16:10
  So like I'm happy with with that.
• 1:16:13
  It's just unfortunate that I'm getting pain in another area now
• 1:16:16
  and I don't know what that is. So I just need to find out what
• 1:16:19
  it is and then I'll, you know, chat to the physio around a
• 1:16:22
  course of action. But it is what it is.
• 1:16:26
  You just sort of, you know, assess your paying schools,
• 1:16:28
  gather information, make the best decisions with what I've
• 1:16:32
  got available, that's all I can do.
• 1:16:33
  Yeah. And also to be fair, like when
• 1:16:35
  you, like, you say you haven't been injured in seven years,
• 1:16:39
  This is new. Essentially, when you're in such
• 1:16:43
  a high training load, then like feel like you're going well, the
• 1:16:46
  last thing you want to hear is, oh, take some time off because
• 1:16:50
  you as an athlete, you're like extremely paranoid about losing
• 1:16:53
  fitness, aren't you? But literally, if you have,
• 1:16:58
  you've got the time to make it up and be flying again at this
• 1:17:02
  stage. Yeah, but I've also like you
• 1:17:06
  often run sore like like I've spent I've had lots of things
• 1:17:10
  that have when like flare ups. I think the difference is for
• 1:17:15
  most of them, you either just can moderate, moderate your load
• 1:17:18
  or avoid certain things like for example, doing 150 meter sprints
• 1:17:22
  at the end of the track. As you get older, you, you've
• 1:17:25
  got to be really careful doing those things that they flare up
• 1:17:28
  my hammies and like I'm generally pretty stiff and sore.
• 1:17:31
  I work a desk job. So you sort of learn over time
• 1:17:34
  what you can sort of get away with.
• 1:17:35
  And I think just generally like if the pain doesn't get worse
• 1:17:38
  while I'm running, I'm generally all right.
• 1:17:41
  But this is so this that's that's the key differentiator
• 1:17:44
  and that's what's that's what's causing me to not run.
• 1:17:48
  Next week's training week is going to be like 2 seconds long.
• 1:17:52
  Lucky Ryan's agendas are big as they are.
• 1:17:55
  At least you'll if you get the scan then you'll know exactly
• 1:17:59
  what's going on or what's not, what's not going on, and it'll
• 1:18:01
  put you fully in the picture, won't it?
• 1:18:03
  Yeah, I think so. Hopefully.
• 1:18:06
  Then let's finish off this agenda.
• 1:18:08
  We've got some more single items.
• 1:18:10
  We'll see how many we get through and how long we spend on
• 1:18:14
  each one. Some of them may be quick, but I
• 1:18:16
  thought they were interesting anyway.
• 1:18:17
  So Cooper, look and House, who's the 16 year old American high
• 1:18:22
  school kid, not even college kid who qualified for the 800 meter
• 1:18:26
  team at the trials the other week has since 10 signed the pro
• 1:18:31
  contract deal with Nike, which means that he won't go to
• 1:18:35
  college and he won't run NCAA's because he's now pro athletes.
• 1:18:41
  I guess upside this, he's a pro athlete, He'll live the pro
• 1:18:45
  lifestyle. They'll be paid probably like I
• 1:18:49
  know over $500,000 a year, maybe up to $1,000,000 a year U.S.
• 1:18:53
  dollars. Downside this, he doesn't get to
• 1:18:57
  go to college like all the other kids because he's only 16 and
• 1:19:00
  he'll miss out on all of that. You won't get to do is NCAA
• 1:19:04
  racing, which like so many athletes, it's a bit make or
• 1:19:07
  break, isn't it? But yes, any thoughts on that or
• 1:19:11
  next? I don't think I think I'd be
• 1:19:13
  going to college like as much as a Nike Pro deal would be lovely
• 1:19:19
  and like live the life of a professional athlete at the age
• 1:19:23
  of 16. Bigger picture, NCAA, you're
• 1:19:27
  basically a pro athlete. Let's be real.
• 1:19:30
  Like you do a few lectures, but like they'll probably do the
• 1:19:34
  exams for you. So you're still getting an
• 1:19:36
  education. Whereas now he's 16 uneducated
• 1:19:41
  and you're running career what, 100?
• 1:19:43
  Like he'll probably run till he's like 3035 if he's lucky and
• 1:19:48
  after that like you might coach kids or whatever, but.
• 1:19:54
  It's a risk, yeah. And can't you, under the new
• 1:19:56
  rules, still receive some form of assistance and get a
• 1:20:01
  education? Yeah, that and it could have
• 1:20:04
  done that nil thing names image likeness, which is almost like a
• 1:20:09
  way of receiving financial compensation but allowing him to
• 1:20:12
  go to college so. He's probably getting a fat
• 1:20:14
  check. Yeah, the more, yeah, the more I
• 1:20:20
  hear about the US college system and the opportunities that come
• 1:20:23
  both in terms of getting a free education but also joining a
• 1:20:28
  very good running program. Like it just seems like such a
• 1:20:32
  good pathway. And and you sort of bridge from
• 1:20:34
  being, I mean, I know he's a incredible exception in terms of
• 1:20:38
  he's now one of the best in the world at 16.
• 1:20:40
  But you know, I don't know, it'd be a good hedge.
• 1:20:44
  I would have thought to walk away with an education where you
• 1:20:47
  can maybe the thought more. Pressure on them as well.
• 1:20:52
  It does. Maybe the thought is, yeah, but
• 1:20:54
  perhaps you're thinking I, this is my chance now in the next 4
• 1:20:57
  years to peak as an 800 meter athlete.
• 1:21:02
  And you can, there's a long time after that to, to study and do
• 1:21:06
  everything else. I don't know.
• 1:21:09
  The thing is as well, to be fair, the deal that's been on
• 1:21:13
  the table for him now in terms of pro deal with Nike, it may
• 1:21:17
  potentially never have been more if he had the chosen to go to
• 1:21:21
  college than what the offer is now.
• 1:21:23
  So like they're not paying, although he is almost the final
• 1:21:27
  product right now in terms of what he's just done at the
• 1:21:29
  trials. They're also paying for his
• 1:21:32
  potential, like the unknown elements of him, whereas if he
• 1:21:35
  waits another three or four years, part of that unknown
• 1:21:39
  becomes known. And let's say maybe he doesn't
• 1:21:42
  continue on upwards trajectory doesn't necessarily have to
• 1:21:44
  regress. If you just kind of stagnate so
• 1:21:47
  it doesn't start running 141 or something, would that pro offer
• 1:21:51
  them be like substantially less because he's maybe bottomed out
• 1:21:55
  or he didn't have the potential they thought he was going to
• 1:21:57
  have? But yeah, he's maybe just taking
• 1:21:59
  a chance on it. We'll see what he's all about in
• 1:22:01
  a couple of weeks time in Tokyo. Next item on the agenda.
• 1:22:04
  I don't know if you heard Andy Buchanan, 2, has a bit of an
• 1:22:08
  injury, a stress reaction. It's being titled at the minute
• 1:22:13
  in his femur, I think. So he's taken a solid week off
• 1:22:16
  right now and seeing after that, but like.
• 1:22:23
  Did did you get a scan? Is it a full on stress reaction?
• 1:22:26
  I don't know for sure if he's had it scanned or not, but it's
• 1:22:29
  come out of his mouth that he's got a stress reaction.
• 1:22:31
  A week off. Yeah, it's not the typical
• 1:22:33
  remedy, is it? My man, that's how you, that's
• 1:22:36
  how you. Handle.
• 1:22:37
  It you can't can't take the week off every time your body gets a
• 1:22:40
  bit sore, you just got to plow, plow on.
• 1:22:43
  No, you need to take 60. You see that like Andy Buchanan,
• 1:22:50
  so if he's a stress fracture or reaction, whatever, he takes a
• 1:22:53
  week off and then when is the World Championships are in 2-3
• 1:23:00
  weeks. The 15th of September is the
• 1:23:03
  marathon. OK, so two weeks like George
• 1:23:08
  Mills ran through a stress fracture and it messed him up
• 1:23:13
  so, so bad. Like it just as a domino effect
• 1:23:17
  you cause issues in other places.
• 1:23:19
  It's like, is it really worth running through?
• 1:23:22
  Like he could just Miss World champs and then run a new Aussie
• 1:23:27
  record in Valencia? Like I think you have took a
• 1:23:30
  bigger picture. Cam had a ran on a broken foot
• 1:23:34
  for a year. Yeah, I.
• 1:23:36
  Suppose. And they would have been better
• 1:23:38
  off if the physio had to come back and said it's all in your
• 1:23:41
  head. That's not that's not, it's not
• 1:23:44
  a dig at Andy, by the way. There's some context to the Cam
• 1:23:46
  Levin's interview there. But also I was thinking like
• 1:23:50
  it's just shows how like. Weird running is right because
• 1:23:53
  this time last year obviously Brett was down in the dumps
• 1:23:56
  because he missed the Olympics and Andy just took his record.
• 1:24:00
  And then I had this thought pre Sydney, but I was thinking maybe
• 1:24:04
  Brett was going to win Sydney and Andy was potentially pulling
• 1:24:07
  out of the world champs. Almost roles had reversed.
• 1:24:10
  I mean, Brett didn't win Sydney and Andy hasn't pulled out yet.
• 1:24:13
  Be interesting to see how the next two weeks ago, because
• 1:24:16
  wasn't it before Valencia he got sick and he took a couple of
• 1:24:19
  days off and then he ran what he ran two O 6 Yeah, So it might
• 1:24:25
  benefit. We'll see.
• 1:24:26
  We don't have to wait long to find out the outcome of it.
• 1:24:28
  At least this one's a quick one. Melbourne Marathon have
• 1:24:33
  announced Jack Rayner as the poster boy for the marathon this
• 1:24:36
  year. I think that's maybe his third
• 1:24:39
  time there. At least she ran 211 prior and
• 1:24:43
  they've also confirmed Sinead Diver as running the half, which
• 1:24:47
  is big news because Sinead's the Australian marathon record
• 1:24:50
  holder and also she hasn't ran or been in the public eye, shall
• 1:24:56
  we say, since Paris Olympics last year.
• 1:24:58
  It's. Just a nice payday for Jack
• 1:24:59
  Rayner, isn't it really? Is it 25 grand?
• 1:25:02
  I think what was last year maybe.
• 1:25:05
  What When is Melbourne October? Over 12th.
• 1:25:09
  So like he'll be, so he's training for the 5K in Tokyo
• 1:25:14
  now. So then he'll have a month,
• 1:25:18
  three weeks to train for the marathon.
• 1:25:19
  Like if he, yeah, I don't know. He is a freaking nature though.
• 1:25:23
  So he'll probably run like 211 again.
• 1:25:26
  Probably when you look at the whole men's Australian marathon
• 1:25:31
  as though if you like kind of list them out on paper, almost
• 1:25:34
  everyone maybe besides Dean would have done Sydney or world
• 1:25:39
  champs. So even though he might only
• 1:25:41
  have a few weeks to kind of build into it, there might not
• 1:25:45
  really be too much depth in the Melbourne marathon.
• 1:25:48
  So he might be able to, I should say, get like an easy payday.
• 1:25:51
  And he's Nike athlete, isn't he? Melbourne marathons and Nike
• 1:25:54
  sponsored thing. Maybe there's like kind of
• 1:25:56
  pushed in there. But I don't know if you think he
• 1:25:59
  wants to make like the next step in terms of marathon and Korea.
• 1:26:03
  You think he should be being a bit more patient and choose like
• 1:26:06
  a bigger race chase either a faster time or some more points
• 1:26:09
  from a more prestigious race. Like you'd love to see him like
• 1:26:13
  do Tokyo, but then big build for Valencia and see what he can do
• 1:26:18
  in Valencia. Like that would be exciting
• 1:26:20
  having like done a 5K block. All right, he's in sub 13 shape
• 1:26:23
  for the 5K and then like to add a mark and block on top of that.
• 1:26:27
  Like you'd love to see what he could run.
• 1:26:28
  That as well. This is the thing.
• 1:26:29
  You think you have opinions and perspective on these things and
• 1:26:32
  then you hear the athletes speak about it themselves and there's
• 1:26:35
  just so many things going on in the background that you're not
• 1:26:37
  aware aware of. So purely speculation.
• 1:26:40
  The last item on the agenda in terms of news items was and this
• 1:26:44
  was this went down really well in the club.
• 1:26:46
  Also, GB confirmed their team for the World Championships last
• 1:26:50
  week, maybe Monday or something, Monday, Tuesday.
• 1:26:53
  So just to quickly rattle them off in the 800 meters for the
• 1:26:56
  women is Keely Hodgkinson, Georgia Hunter Bell and Gemma
• 1:26:59
  Ricci men Max Bergen, Ian and Crocker and Ben Patterson 1500
• 1:27:06
  women Lauren Muir Walcott Nolan Aaron Wallace 1500 men Elliott
• 1:27:10
  Giles Neil gaily, Josh Kerr and Jake Whiteman got the the bonus
• 1:27:15
  selection because Josh Kerr is reigning champion. 5000 meters
• 1:27:19
  women, Melissa Courtney Bryant, insurance Fitzgerald, Hannah
• 1:27:22
  Nuttall men only George Mills, 10,000 meters for the women,
• 1:27:27
  Callie Hoga Thackery and Megan Keith.
• 1:27:29
  And there's no 10,000 meter representative for the males and
• 1:27:34
  there's only a male Caress is the sole marathon
• 1:27:38
  representative, no female marathon representative.
• 1:27:40
  So this caused a bit of a stare, which listener Rachel McGuinness
• 1:27:45
  rightly highlighted. Like GB have so many marathoners
• 1:27:49
  both on the men's and women's side who have more ranking
• 1:27:52
  points than a lot of the athletes who've qualified via
• 1:27:57
  World Athletics quota list. So the top 100.
• 1:28:00
  But these athletes, namely Alish Mccolgan in the women's side of
• 1:28:04
  things when even listed in the road to Tokyo.
• 1:28:08
  So it was a bit confusing like, well, OK, fair enough.
• 1:28:12
  If GB didn't choose to select them because they don't have
• 1:28:15
  they have their own selection policy, which doesn't apply to
• 1:28:18
  the quota. But why aren't they even in the
• 1:28:21
  list? So we've done some digging.
• 1:28:24
  I reached out to a few of the athletes and sent an e-mail to
• 1:28:28
  UK Athletics kind of trying to shed some light on this.
• 1:28:32
  And surprise, surprise, it turns out the athletes themselves,
• 1:28:35
  like I was thinking maybe they'll provide some explanation
• 1:28:39
  and be like, hey, like, thanks for asking, but no, it's because
• 1:28:42
  of this. So I didn't want to do it, but I
• 1:28:44
  think I won't name the athletes, but they were like kind of very
• 1:28:48
  clear in the fact that they are not happy with the process.
• 1:28:52
  It's not transparent and like they don't feel supported or
• 1:28:57
  anything that a governing body should make them feel.
• 1:29:01
  And when I emailed UK Athletics, they kind of came back with the
• 1:29:06
  world class performance endurance lead, I think is his
• 1:29:09
  title. Came back with like a pretty
• 1:29:12
  lengthy e-mail, but pretty much pointing me in the direction of
• 1:29:15
  the World Athletic standards, GB standards and policies and
• 1:29:19
  procedures. And at first I was like, OK,
• 1:29:23
  he's just like, pretty much shut me down with like, black and
• 1:29:25
  white facts. But when I kind of reread it and
• 1:29:28
  tried to contextualize it, he's just trying to bamboozle me with
• 1:29:32
  information, really. And like almost skim over the
• 1:29:36
  questions that I've actually asked, which is like, hey, why
• 1:29:38
  have we got so many athletes who by definition could have gone,
• 1:29:42
  but you've used your discretionary powers as the
• 1:29:46
  governing body to say, no, they're not going.
• 1:29:50
  And that's because their criteria for GB.
• 1:29:52
  So worldwide, it's if you run the world Athletic standard,
• 1:29:56
  you're in. If not, you're in the top 100 on
• 1:30:00
  the rankings list. Then you can go that way.
• 1:30:03
  However, GB, so they have the World Athletic standard, which
• 1:30:07
  only one person ran Emil Caress. He's going.
• 1:30:10
  So then in the top 100 for the men, the men, there was about 8
• 1:30:16
  or 10 who would have been ranked there as per their ranking
• 1:30:19
  points. And for the women, it was
• 1:30:21
  literally like 25 of them had enough points.
• 1:30:24
  Now GB come in on the top of this and say with the yes,
• 1:30:28
  you've got to be in the top 100, but you also have to have run
• 1:30:32
  our B standard which is 2O8 for the men as opposed to two O 630
• 1:30:40
  as the World Athletics 1 and 224 for the women as opposed to
• 1:30:43
  2/23/30. Now when I looked into like the
• 1:30:48
  historical lists for what GB athletes have run because I'm
• 1:30:52
  thinking standards are still pretty like don't use the word
• 1:30:56
  harsh, but like kind of high level.
• 1:30:58
  Only four men have ever ran 208 and only six women have ever ran
• 1:31:04
  224. So we can send 3 athletes to
• 1:31:08
  this games alone, yet they're setting standards B standards
• 1:31:13
  which only four and six people in history have ever run.
• 1:31:16
  So like how do they expect to fill the team based on that?
• 1:31:19
  Or if they just put that in to kind of remove people's chances
• 1:31:24
  of going so then OK, they have another kind of entry.
• 1:31:29
  If you don't kind of do that, you can finish top five at a
• 1:31:32
  Platinum Label marathon to get your way in.
• 1:31:36
  Now, when you look at the Platinum Label marathons, this
• 1:31:39
  is all the world majors plus German in China, Osaka and
• 1:31:43
  Nagoya in Japan, a Mexican one, Seoul, Amsterdam, Valencia or
• 1:31:48
  Shanghai. And then coincidentally, if you
• 1:31:51
  look at the kind of finishing times for each of those
• 1:31:54
  marathons, surprise, surprise, if you're going to finish in the
• 1:31:58
  top five there, you would have to run bloody two O 8 or 224
• 1:32:01
  anyway. So that's basically another
• 1:32:04
  standard which makes it seem like it's achievable.
• 1:32:08
  And rarely it's just a lot more words to say no, you're not
• 1:32:12
  getting in anyway. And then lastly, your last
• 1:32:16
  chance to learn is to win a Gold Label marathon.
• 1:32:19
  OK, there's probably a lot more of these in terms of like
• 1:32:24
  potentially being able to win them, but the window to win one
• 1:32:28
  of these marathons was only four months long between January and
• 1:32:31
  May of this year. So I mean, to me it seems like
• 1:32:35
  they're shutting the door, but UK Athletics may say otherwise.
• 1:32:40
  It's absolute bullshit to be fair.
• 1:32:42
  Like how much does it cost to send an athlete to one of these
• 1:32:46
  championships? Like I don't know, like it
• 1:32:50
  doesn't make sense. Like the amount of money UK
• 1:32:51
  Athletics is bringing in to send a couple more athletes, it's not
• 1:32:55
  going to break the bank. Like they're just being Dick
• 1:32:57
  heads. But also like what does, so
• 1:33:00
  there's a lot of paid people in British, British athletics
• 1:33:03
  taking a check. How much funding do you actually
• 1:33:06
  think goes towards the athletes supporting the athletes who are
• 1:33:09
  trying to qualify for these championships?
• 1:33:11
  Right next to nothing. And then the marathon in
• 1:33:14
  particular, what are the events that they do?
• 1:33:16
  Like what affiliation or involvement or support does
• 1:33:20
  British athletics put into the marathon?
• 1:33:22
  Like, I get it that an athletics association is needed for track
• 1:33:25
  and field, but the marathon in particular, they're private
• 1:33:28
  events run by private companies around the world that are
• 1:33:32
  inviting these athletes to participate.
• 1:33:34
  And these athletes are getting there based on contracts they
• 1:33:37
  have, based on their own personal brand and with their
• 1:33:40
  shoe company or whatever are the financial aid.
• 1:33:43
  So their governing body that tells them they can't go to the
• 1:33:46
  pinnacle of their sport has no real direct involvement in
• 1:33:51
  supporting them get to their pinnacle, but but gets to say,
• 1:33:54
  hey, you're not worthy of participating in a championship.
• 1:33:58
  And that is regulated by World Athletics.
• 1:34:00
  World Athletics has now created a policy that is so effective in
• 1:34:03
  terms of ranking people based on time and performance.
• 1:34:07
  Like, you've actually got this really useful quota system.
• 1:34:11
  World Athletics has deemed you eligible to qualify, yet your
• 1:34:14
  local body that has no real positive influence on your
• 1:34:18
  ability to qualify gets to say no.
• 1:34:20
  Like, in what other sport does that happen?
• 1:34:23
  Like, it's it's yeah, I find the whole thing ludicrous.
• 1:34:27
  Like it should. The fact that they get to to
• 1:34:31
  impose themselves on on athletes that have earned the right to go
• 1:34:35
  on a system that seems nothing but fairly quite fair, really.
• 1:34:39
  Like you shouldn't be, they shouldn't have the, they
• 1:34:42
  shouldn't be able to play the role that they do.
• 1:34:44
  And the fact that someone's probably taking a wage and just
• 1:34:47
  saying no to people. And then British Athletics most
• 1:34:50
  recently, then choosing to not fund people to championships.
• 1:34:55
  So like, so then the only lever they have is it cost.
• 1:34:58
  The only thing that they can say is they're trying to direct
• 1:35:00
  funding to other people. But based on history, in terms
• 1:35:03
  of when you talk to athletes around what funding they get
• 1:35:05
  from those associations, it's little to nothing.
• 1:35:08
  And yet there's these people in the administration that draw a
• 1:35:11
  substantial wage from them. And the marathon in particular
• 1:35:15
  has no real direct link. It's like, I don't know.
• 1:35:19
  I think it's, yeah, there's a lot of opportunity for
• 1:35:22
  improvement and change. They should be shut down.
• 1:35:25
  And actually another situation is in Belgium.
• 1:35:27
  In the clubhouse there in our YouTube Diaries channel, Adam
• 1:35:31
  put in a thing saying John Heyman's new video, and I
• 1:35:35
  actually just watched it before we hopped on and like, he's in a
• 1:35:38
  similar situation. So he ran the Olympics, he got
• 1:35:43
  to the final in the 5K and then he's ran thirteen O 3.
• 1:35:47
  So now the qualifier is 13 O 1. So he's not going to get there
• 1:35:52
  through like a time standard. So he can try and be in the
• 1:35:55
  quota which is the top 42, but Belgium require you to be in the
• 1:36:00
  top 36. Which is like I don't know why
• 1:36:03
  countries make it harder on athletes that have it hard
• 1:36:06
  enough as it is. Like he was saying that video
• 1:36:08
  that like he got to an Olympic final and he can't get into some
• 1:36:12
  diamond leagues. Like ideally he needs to be in a
• 1:36:14
  race that is going to run like 1250 for the 5K but he can only
• 1:36:19
  get in races that are paced at 13100.
• 1:36:24
  Like it's hard enough on athletes as it is trying to hit
• 1:36:27
  these time goals without your freaking countries like doing it
• 1:36:32
  over as well. It's just, it's so, so unfair.
• 1:36:36
  Like, I get it, you want to increase medal potential or
• 1:36:39
  whatever they go on about. Essentially they're trying to
• 1:36:42
  say we don't want people to not be competitive.
• 1:36:44
  But how are you meant to get to the level of being competitive
• 1:36:47
  without getting experience? Yeah, I don't get it at all.
• 1:36:50
  Being brutally honest, Like, fair enough.
• 1:36:52
  You want to win medals like you have to get like these
• 1:36:54
  championship situations are so different.
• 1:36:56
  It's totally alien to a new person.
• 1:36:59
  So he'd like to Cam Myers, like really Australia probably should
• 1:37:02
  have sent him there a couple of years ago to Paris.
• 1:37:04
  So then he'd know what's going to be like in Tokyo.
• 1:37:06
  Like this is his first senior championship experience now in a
• 1:37:09
  couple of weeks. And fair enough, he's a freaking
• 1:37:12
  ager. So he'll probably do unreal.
• 1:37:13
  But to the normal other high professional athlete, like they,
• 1:37:16
  it might be totally alien to them and they might like get
• 1:37:18
  nervous and they might not perform to their highest
• 1:37:22
  potential. Like it's bigger picture.
• 1:37:24
  Like you have to look at the bigger picture.
• 1:37:27
  And in fairness to a, a, like Australian athletics used to be
• 1:37:31
  quite discretionary with not filling teams.
• 1:37:33
  But that sort of that behavioral behavior shifted when like good
• 1:37:37
  people, I think got involved in administration and they select
• 1:37:40
  big teams, sort of see off the back of that.
• 1:37:43
  Like Australian athletics is sort of booming quite a bit
• 1:37:46
  internationally now. We're quite, I think, a lot more
• 1:37:49
  competitive than what we were 10 years ago.
• 1:37:51
  And I think like you said, giving younger athletes
• 1:37:54
  opportunities to get into these championships.
• 1:37:57
  Like I mean, if you look at say back to the marathon conomance
• 1:38:01
  and Clayton Young, they scrambled.
• 1:38:03
  They were the only two American men that hit the the standard
• 1:38:07
  for Paris. And that was I think 208 or 208
• 1:38:11
  low. They ran 207 high to make that.
• 1:38:15
  So then they're not like they're 15 to 20 seconds away from not
• 1:38:19
  meeting that B standard in and those guys go on to finish well
• 1:38:24
  inside the top ten at Paris. Like Cam Levens would have not
• 1:38:27
  made based on that wouldn't have been selected for his world
• 1:38:31
  champs in 2023 and he finishes 4th there.
• 1:38:33
  Like it doesn't the policy decisions make no sense.
• 1:38:37
  And not only do they make no sense, but what right do they
• 1:38:40
  have when they're not involved in, like, I get it, say if
• 1:38:43
  you're the the manager of a club and you're sort of working out
• 1:38:46
  who you play and all that sort of stuff and you're managing the
• 1:38:48
  payroll. But these these people don't get
• 1:38:51
  paid by British Athletics. Like, why do they get to tell
• 1:38:55
  you not to participate? Stupid.
• 1:38:58
  Yeah, and like, for context, like this is kudos to Australian
• 1:39:03
  athletics and rather than kicking these athletes, but Liam
• 1:39:07
  Adams and Tim, Liam Adams, Liam Boudin and Tim Vincent, who are
• 1:39:13
  two of the men who are going to represent Australia at the
• 1:39:16
  upcoming World Championships, when you put their points for
• 1:39:20
  World Athletics into the British men's list, they would rank 7th
• 1:39:24
  and 8th. Yeah, GB are only sending one
• 1:39:27
  person. Yeah.
• 1:39:30
  And I think that was Rachel's point around a lot of the women.
• 1:39:32
  How did that, how did it roll down differently?
• 1:39:34
  And the point is that inside the quota, which is capped at 3 per
• 1:39:38
  country, you roll down to about 1030 points for the women and
• 1:39:43
  1060 points for the men. And so you have, you know, on a
• 1:39:47
  three person per country basis, you have X many people that that
• 1:39:52
  meet that criteria based on the points that they've got from the
• 1:39:54
  races they've participated in. And then you get bonus points
• 1:39:57
  for racing something like Sydney champs like that would give
• 1:40:00
  people that placed well in the Aussie champs today extra
• 1:40:02
  points, which encourages them to race Sydney, which is the whole
• 1:40:06
  point. Because then you race your local
• 1:40:08
  champs, you get the extra points to meet the standards set by the
• 1:40:11
  world body to then get to participate in there.
• 1:40:15
  In your sport that you're dedicating your life to, Yeah.
• 1:40:20
  These selection policies by some of these countries are just,
• 1:40:23
  yeah, bizarre. Let alone the selection criteria
• 1:40:28
  and process in itself. It actually almost like stinks a
• 1:40:32
  bit because they've taken them off the road to Tokyo and it
• 1:40:36
  almost reads as though have they just been trying to like slip
• 1:40:40
  through the net and go unnoticed in in doing that and it not
• 1:40:43
  being highlighted. Like I know that that's like
• 1:40:47
  potentially even worse. And I won't say who said that.
• 1:40:51
  But again, this adds context because it's an athlete's
• 1:40:54
  perspective. I'd love to shed some light, but
• 1:40:57
  honestly, your guess as good as mine.
• 1:40:59
  British athletic selection policies are like eye care
• 1:41:02
  instructions, how many boxes to tick, but somehow you still end
• 1:41:06
  up with three spare screws, a wobbly table and no idea what
• 1:41:09
  went wrong. They've got enough rules and
• 1:41:12
  caveats to make it sound official, but the fine print
• 1:41:15
  basically says we do whatever we want.
• 1:41:17
  If they like you, you're in, If not, you're out.
• 1:41:21
  The funding is just as mysterious.
• 1:41:23
  After making an Olympic team, I was told I, in averted commas,
• 1:41:27
  wasn't at the standard to potentially make an Olympic
• 1:41:30
  team. Meanwhile, someone who didn't
• 1:41:32
  make the Olympic team are on top funding because apparently in
• 1:41:37
  the British athletics eyes, they're on track to podium.
• 1:41:40
  Yeah. Stupid.
• 1:41:41
  It's actually so sad to hear is going on.
• 1:41:44
  It's. Not fair.
• 1:41:45
  I'm like from the outside looking in British athletics to
• 1:41:47
  many people is probably like this prestigious organization
• 1:41:50
  and like they try and brand themselves as being like very
• 1:41:53
  proud and supportive and blah blah blah.
• 1:41:56
  I wouldn't even like to look at what the values are and stuff
• 1:41:58
  and all the sponsorships and endorsements to have going, but
• 1:42:03
  it need some change. And I'm not trying to say, hey,
• 1:42:07
  here's your free CEOs and board members right here on our
• 1:42:11
  podcast, but it's just clear that there's room for
• 1:42:14
  improvement. It's a nice way to put on it.
• 1:42:16
  I reckon double troubles been covered there this episode in a
• 1:42:20
  couple of ways. And thanks for everyone for
• 1:42:23
  writing in for your double troubles in the clubhouse.
• 1:42:25
  Like really enjoying reading them.
• 1:42:26
  And yeah, we'll, we'll get them, get them going.
• 1:42:29
  Is that us, boys? I think so.
• 1:42:30
  I'm running out of light here. How is?
• 1:42:34
  It saving electricity the cut down.
• 1:42:36
  Big follow on of sport this evening.
• 1:42:38
  We'll we'll get to watch the F1 thankfully because we've timed
• 1:42:41
  this well. Yeah, When does that kick off,
• 1:42:42
  do you know? MPM for US.
• 1:42:45
  MPM, Perth Time. Yeah, and then it rolls straight
• 1:42:50
  into Liverpool, the Arsenal. Good, I hope you get spanked so
• 1:42:53
  bad by Arsenal. You're a United fan at your own
• 1:42:58
  You saw a Carabelle Cup. We had a great win yesterday.
• 1:43:01
  I don't know what you're on about.
• 1:43:02
  The Caribou club. We had a great win in the league
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  yesterday, so yeah. We're improving.
• 1:43:08
  The less said about United, the better.
• 1:43:11
  What was 87th minute? Was a penalty or was the actual
• 1:43:13
  goal it? Was a Knight 7 minute penalty
• 1:43:16
  for the Caribou for the Caribou Cup.
• 1:43:19
  We'll put some context. It's like United, we're playing
• 1:43:22
  a team called Grimsby which is in the 4th Division, which I'm
• 1:43:27
  going to say it's like West Coast Eagles play in the local
• 1:43:33
  Scarborough AFL team and West Coast Eagles losing, which is
• 1:43:37
  pretty common but. Funnily enough, actually you can
• 1:43:41
  get your head around at the minute, but ordinarily that
• 1:43:43
  would make no sense. And see, United aren't in the
• 1:43:49
  best shape, but. Did you see Amrim's interview
• 1:43:53
  afterwards? They said to him you walked off
• 1:43:56
  like before the penalties happened, like you went down the
• 1:43:58
  tunnel. What's going on?
• 1:44:00
  And he was like, man, if we beat these guys on penalties, it
• 1:44:04
  would have been like the biggest injustice ever.
• 1:44:06
  Like, I just didn't care what happened at that point.
• 1:44:09
  I'd seen enough. Yeah, I was shouting for the
• 1:44:11
  other team as well. It's sort of like a nice fairy
• 1:44:13
  tale story where the small team wins.
• 1:44:17
  Who's good to see all? Right then, fellas, I think that
• 1:44:20
  might be us. I haven't actually had a look at
• 1:44:22
  what's. Coming between now and next
• 1:44:23
  week, but you'll have to stick around to find out because we'll
• 1:44:27
  figure it out between now and then.
• 1:44:29
  And please, once you listen to the Cam Levin's interview, let
• 1:44:33
  us know your takeaways. Let us know he learns.
• 1:44:36
  Because I was making notes as I was listening to it.
• 1:44:39
  I've got about 30 different points there.
• 1:44:42
  And yeah, so good. And actually comment as well who
• 1:44:47
  you'd want to hear interviewed next because Ryan kind of slide
• 1:44:53
  into anyones DMS so anything is possible.
• 1:44:56
  Actually, I forgot there's there's one point that we should
• 1:45:00
  have made during this recording and it's when we talk about the
• 1:45:04
  Diamond League results. There was a guy Will Mcalendon,
• 1:45:08
  he's part of Perth distance project or Perth distance, at
• 1:45:12
  least something like that. And he was actually on the
• 1:45:14
  ground in Zurich, a scene on his story.
• 1:45:17
  So I messaged him and said like, hey, if you're going back
• 1:45:21
  tomorrow, like be interested in like your experience, kind of
• 1:45:24
  get some on the ground perspective for people to hear.
• 1:45:26
  And he said that it was a Rob. It was a Rob.
• 1:45:30
  Yeah, it was expensive, yeah. Well, in Australian terms,
• 1:45:35
  relatively speaking, it's not that bad.
• 1:45:38
  But in the UK there's yes, 6 Swiss francs, which translates
• 1:45:43
  to 12 Aussie dollars for 6 1/2 Irish EUR.
• 1:45:48
  He said the atmosphere was like insane.
• 1:45:49
  They handed out large pieces of card which doubled as like fans
• 1:45:54
  to make like the clappers. And yeah, he just said it was
• 1:45:57
  like insane. On the the night before the
• 1:45:59
  track action, they had the field events in like a bit of a street
• 1:46:03
  compact setting. So this is where I seen his
• 1:46:06
  story. He was literally as the pole
• 1:46:09
  vaulters run down the runway and then they have the mat at the
• 1:46:12
  end. He was behind the mat.
• 1:46:14
  So like full bird's eye view on the guys sprinting at them.
• 1:46:18
  And he had like a sick video of Mondo going over it.
• 1:46:22
  I was like, wow, like what an experience that is.
• 1:46:25
  So yeah, thanks for letting us know your experience there and
• 1:46:28
  your thoughts. Gotta say, getting over to a
• 1:46:30
  Diamond League would be pretty bucket list, wouldn't it?
• 1:46:33
  Owen, you can be our correspondent next next year.
• 1:46:36
  I'm going to try to get London next year because London is
• 1:46:38
  meant to be incredible. But yeah.
• 1:46:40
  And for nozzles? Now we'll see you next week.
• 1:46:42
  Right, Go on. Good luck.