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Ken Rosenthal on Arenado's Yanks audition, Mets rotation, Rizzo’s conundrum + Scherzer dislikes ABS challenges, Finnegan back to Nats · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Team to have him over the barrel right now because
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  Speaker 1: games have started.
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  Speaker 2: Cam'shurty multiple weeks in and if you haven't signed by now,
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  Speaker 2: then they know you're getting desperate.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a tough situation.
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  Speaker 3: Yankees camp today, Wow, crats facial hair, AJ facial hair.
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  Speaker 3: How did the boys look? Are they starting to grow
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  Speaker 3: it out?
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  Speaker 2: I saw Devin Williams is the only one I saw
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  Speaker 2: with that had a little but he was the one
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  Speaker 2: that really pushed for this, so I mean he had
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  Speaker 2: to go it. Austin Wells hopefully we'll talk to him soon.
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  Speaker 4: But his his his he had Yeah, he had more
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  Speaker 4: growth than he would have been allowed. Yes, but I
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  Speaker 4: think it was just like he hadn't shaved. But his
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  Speaker 4: mustache is like, I mean, I heard, you know, Tom
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  Speaker 4: Sellek was jealous of his mustache.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's not the Bubba Chandler mustache you saw yesterday either.
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  Speaker 2: That was kind of like had some stragglers. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this is a finely tuned machine.
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  Speaker 3: You know. Brian Cashmine was that who would be the
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  Speaker 3: first one to really grow it out. And he did
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  Speaker 3: refer to Austin Wells. He said he thinks he has
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  Speaker 3: to shave twice a day. That's done.
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  Speaker 4: No, he definitely didn't shave this morning. But he's just
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  Speaker 4: you know, some people, it just looks like there's this
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  Speaker 4: hair constantly on their face.
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  Speaker 5: He is that guy. So good for him.
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  Speaker 3: All Right, Well, we're excited to talk to some Yanks.
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  Speaker 3: Let's charge the mound while we have time. Well it
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  Speaker 3: took a while, but Kyle Finn again again the closer
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  Speaker 3: for the Washington Nationals. I'm assuming that. But he's back.
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  Speaker 3: They non tendered him Beau, they didn't want to pay
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  Speaker 3: him what probably eight nine million bucks, and instead Finnegan
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  Speaker 3: is going to make six million bucks. So what do
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  Speaker 3: we think about all of this happening? And how do
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  Speaker 3: you think Kyle feels at this point?
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  Speaker 2: Aj And he's got a job, so he feels okay
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  Speaker 2: about it. He's in a place he read recognizes. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, did it cost them a little bit of money? Maybe,
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  Speaker 2: but you never you just never know. He just it sucks.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm happy that he's got a job. I'm happy
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  Speaker 2: to the place he knows. And I think this helps
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  Speaker 2: the Nats. I picked him for a while, it'd be
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  Speaker 2: the tein that would step up and make the biggest
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  Speaker 2: jump thought they'd go out and spend a little bit more.
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  Speaker 2: They did it, But here they are and Finnigan's back.
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  Speaker 6: Cool.
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  Speaker 3: Look, let's sit the inside scoop e Ft senior insider
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  Speaker 3: Ken Rosendahal with us right now, and you've got a
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  Speaker 3: J and Kratz from Yankees Camp. Ken, great to see
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  Speaker 3: you actually want to start with the Mets. So we
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  Speaker 3: have a few articles that we had for you this
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  Speaker 3: week in The Athletic, and that one stood out to
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  Speaker 3: me in terms of their rotation, because you see so
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  Speaker 3: many Mets fans going.
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  Speaker 7: What are they doing?
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  Speaker 3: Why aren't they signing Katana right now? So can you
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  Speaker 3: explain what you wrote about and why they're not going
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  Speaker 3: to just jump to sign another starter.
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  Speaker 6: Well, the reason is the Steve Coen tax, and they're
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  Speaker 6: over the highest threshold already. So if they signed Kintana
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  Speaker 6: for say ten million dollars, probably would be less than that,
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  Speaker 6: but just let's use that as an easy number. You're
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  Speaker 6: paying a one hundred and ten percent tax on ten million.
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  Speaker 6: That's eleven million dollars, so he effectively cost twenty one million. Now,
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  Speaker 6: I like hose Kintana. I think you should be at
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  Speaker 6: a camp somewhere I don't know that I would want
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  Speaker 6: to expend twenty one million to get him. And that's
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  Speaker 6: the problem as far as free agents are concerned.
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  Speaker 7: And also Scott, it's early.
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  Speaker 6: They don't feel the need to necessarily go do something
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  Speaker 6: right now. Obviously Mantas is not going to start the season.
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  Speaker 6: Manaia is not going to start the season. But they
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  Speaker 6: have built in their minds depth and that's why basically
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  Speaker 6: what I wrote was that it's too soon for them
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  Speaker 6: to panic.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, and now I want to kick us right back
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  Speaker 3: to the Yankees and let's see if we can bring
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  Speaker 3: in Kratz and aj for this one too, at least
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  Speaker 3: to just listen to my initial question again and then
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  Speaker 3: see if you guys have a comment. So, Ken, you
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  Speaker 3: spoke earlier this week on Fair Territory about Anthony Rizzo,
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  Speaker 3: and you wrote about him as well and how he
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  Speaker 3: feels like he's not getting fair value in terms of
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  Speaker 3: an ask, do you feel like he's getting fair value
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  Speaker 3: and do you think that he is hurting any future
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  Speaker 3: veteran first baseman in his spot? My quick opinion is no.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he really has not been healthy and not
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  Speaker 3: produced much in the last couple of years. And was
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  Speaker 3: paid well, but tell me I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not going to tell you you're wrong.
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  Speaker 6: But I don't know exactly what he's going at getting offered.
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  Speaker 7: So that's number one.
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  Speaker 6: He mentioned something like around the minimum a couple of million.
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  Speaker 6: So if that's what it is for Anthony Rizzo, who's
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  Speaker 6: made a lot of money in his career, over one
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  Speaker 6: hundred million, if I'm not mistaken, he's not going to
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  Speaker 6: play for that.
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  Speaker 7: And I know fans look at this and say, uh ah, man,
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  Speaker 7: little boys game. These guys should play almost for free.
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  Speaker 6: If not that, it's not how players think, and they
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  Speaker 6: think of themselves valued against other players. And Anthony Rizzo,
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  Speaker 6: even now, coming off the two injury marret seasons, which
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  Speaker 6: he's fully aware of, and declining numbers and declining performance,
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  Speaker 6: he's not going to go out there and simply undervalue
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  Speaker 6: himself in his mind. Now, the question about whether he
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  Speaker 6: would be hurting future people in his position. I understand
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  Speaker 6: what he's saying. I tried to explain it unfair territory. Basically,
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  Speaker 6: he's worried about the next older first base corner type
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  Speaker 6: who comes along and then teams say Anthony Rizzo took
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  Speaker 6: two million last year, You're not even as good as
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  Speaker 6: Anthony Rizzo. You're going to bank less and it might
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  Speaker 6: seem like a small thing, but it's something that players
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  Speaker 6: are conscious of. And Rizzo, like a lot of players,
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  Speaker 6: acknowledges the people who came before him, who sacrifice for him,
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  Speaker 6: and he doesn't want to do anything that might be
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  Speaker 6: perceived as detrimental to future players.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to play, you're gonna play for whatever
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  Speaker 2: they offer you. Yes, it's great to say, hey, I
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  Speaker 2: want to hold out for ten million or whatever. What
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  Speaker 2: do goals make at ten million or whatever? Goals make?
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  Speaker 2: God right, But at the same time, if you want
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  Speaker 2: to play that badly in teams come to you, and
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  Speaker 2: every team is coming to you a two or three million,
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  Speaker 2: guess what that's your value on the open market. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: go out and have another great year.
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  Speaker 5: Play.
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  Speaker 1: I have a healthy year, and then maybe I can
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  Speaker 1: get ten million.
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  Speaker 5: I understand.
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  Speaker 2: Listen as a veteran guy, I went through it my
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  Speaker 2: last year, my second to last year, twenty fifteen. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the Braves paid me two million dollars. I was coming
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  Speaker 2: off I think making eight and a half a year before, right,
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  Speaker 2: But I knew where I was in my career, and
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  Speaker 2: I was just tappy, Hey, they're offered me a big
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  Speaker 2: league deal. I don't have to go to camp and
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  Speaker 2: compete for a job. So there are different things. Yet
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  Speaker 2: was I thinking about like, oh, yeah, well I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: affect guys later. Well, I was thirty eight years old,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, well, if there's another thirty eight
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  Speaker 2: year old catcher, then you know they get too many dollars,
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  Speaker 2: it might be pretty happy about it.
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  Speaker 5: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like this is one of those things where're
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  Speaker 2: you know, if you don't want to play, then just
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  Speaker 2: be like yeah, if I don't get you know, we
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  Speaker 2: talked about how many guys I said, if I don't
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  Speaker 2: get five million, ten million, I'm not gonna play.
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  Speaker 1: But to say like, oh.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know whatever, it's just to me,
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  Speaker 2: you either want to play or you don't. And again,
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  Speaker 2: I've never been in this situation. I was never as
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  Speaker 2: good as Anthony Rizzo, is never made as much money
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  Speaker 2: as Anthony Rizzo has. But at the same time, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: if I want to play and someone offers me, I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna go play.
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  Speaker 1: If not I'm gonna go home.
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  Speaker 6: I understand AJ, And certainly that's a fair point. And
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  Speaker 6: in my view, I look at this not just in baseball,
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  Speaker 6: but in individual circumstances people.
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  Speaker 7: I know, relationships I have with people.
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  Speaker 6: Everybody has their own personal situation, right, and everyone has
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  Speaker 6: their own circumstances and reasons for doing things. And I
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  Speaker 6: don't know that I'm going to sit here and judge
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  Speaker 6: and say you should play for seven sixty.
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  Speaker 7: I understand what you're saying about. If you want to play,
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  Speaker 7: just go play. And a lot of fans think that too.
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  Speaker 2: But and he's not gonna get seven sixty. He's not
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  Speaker 2: gonna get seven to sixty. He's gonna get a few
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  Speaker 2: million dollars. Was gonna go to Anthony Rizzo and say
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  Speaker 2: you're getting the minimum? They're going to offer him a
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  Speaker 2: few million dollars, right, And to.
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  Speaker 6: Me, he said, Actually, AJ, he said some teams were
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  Speaker 6: basically offering him around the minimum.
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  Speaker 7: So I don't know about that.
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  Speaker 6: And I've heard of some NRIs being offered to some
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  Speaker 6: pretty accomplished players in recent days, guys who do not
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  Speaker 6: deserve NRIs. So I don't know exactly where he is
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  Speaker 6: with the offers his family, family circumstances, another thing, he's
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  Speaker 6: having a baby or his wife's having a baby in July.
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  Speaker 6: I believe it is the first one. He's got to
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  Speaker 6: feel like it's worth it to him. Now, what's worth
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  Speaker 6: it to him might not be what's worth it to
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  Speaker 6: you or me, and I understand that.
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  Speaker 7: But again, each personal situation is different.
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  Speaker 4: What Ken was talking about with the NRIs non roster
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  Speaker 4: invite essentially this guy's entire career. You talk about taking
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  Speaker 4: less to still have a job. Everybody goes through it anyway,
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  Speaker 4: speaking of a guy that takes less to still have
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  Speaker 4: a job or has gotten paid more to still have
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  Speaker 4: a job. Tell us about you know, your article about
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  Speaker 4: Hedgy about Austin Hedges and how it came about. But also,
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  Speaker 4: like to me, this is exactly the fun stuff that
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  Speaker 4: you miss as a player.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I'm going to talk about how it came about
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  Speaker 6: probably next week on Fair Territory, so I'll save that one.
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  Speaker 7: But it was a lot of fun to.
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  Speaker 6: Do, Eric, and just the stories from inside the clubhouse,
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  Speaker 6: and some of them are almost I guess two years
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  Speaker 6: old now from the twenty three championship season for the
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  Speaker 6: Texas Rangers. Sometimes you have to wait to get these stories,
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  Speaker 6: and they're worth it. He is a guy that connects people,
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  Speaker 6: and I saw as I always do. I look at
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  Speaker 6: the fan comments under the article, and people some get
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  Speaker 6: it and a lot don't. Well, I say, always getting
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  Speaker 6: four million, he's a one to eighty six career hitter.
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  Speaker 6: Read the article and you'll understand why he's getting that money. One,
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  Speaker 6: he is an elite, elite defensive catcher, one of the
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  Speaker 6: best in the game defensively. And the other thing is
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  Speaker 6: he does have this rare ability and it is rare
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  Speaker 6: to bring people together with humor, with affection, all kinds
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  Speaker 6: of things that he does, and he's very mindful of it.
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  Speaker 7: He's very intentional about it.
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  Speaker 6: So he's a different kind of player, obviously different kind
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  Speaker 6: of profile.
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  Speaker 7: Than almost anyone in the game.
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  Speaker 6: But I encourage people to read it because it goes
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  Speaker 6: into not just the antics that he has in the clubhouse,
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  Speaker 6: but his serious approach to the game and the way
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  Speaker 6: he goes about himself defensively and helping pitchers. He offers
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  Speaker 6: things that can't be measured on a statue, period and
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  Speaker 6: the Guardians one of the most frugal teams, one of
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  Speaker 6: the most analytically minded teams.
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  Speaker 7: They obviously see it.
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  Speaker 6: So all those fans out there is this guy can
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  Speaker 6: have a job. If you're smarter than the Cleveland Guardians,
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  Speaker 6: be my guest, go run a team.
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  Speaker 1: Hey.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, don't tell the analytics people that that
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  Speaker 2: there's things you can't measure, because you're gonna get a
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  Speaker 2: lot of trouble for them. All right, I gotta ask
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  Speaker 2: you because we're in Yankee camp. They're playing the Cardinals today.
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  Speaker 2: There's a certain third baseman that made a long drive
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  Speaker 2: from Jupiter to Tampa. Right, Eric and I have kids
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  Speaker 2: that play on high school and they have to go
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  Speaker 2: to these showcases. Is this possibly a showcase for Nolan
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  Speaker 2: R and Onto today?
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  Speaker 7: Because this isn't mind?
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  Speaker 6: It might be right, but I mean yeah, I think
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  Speaker 6: Brendan Cuddy from the Athletic just put a tweet out there,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know, ten to fifteen minutes ago in which
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  Speaker 6: he said, yes, it's perfectly normal for an accomplished veteran
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  Speaker 6: to take a three hour bus ride to play in
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  Speaker 6: a spring training game. Note what he means is it's
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  Speaker 6: not normal at all, and it does show me that
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  Speaker 6: Arnatto wants to play it in front of the Yankees
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  Speaker 6: and maybe give them something to think about. Now at
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  Speaker 6: this point, the Yankees do not have the payroll flexibility.
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  Speaker 6: Perhaps if they move Stroman and I'm not sure if
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  Speaker 6: they're going to be able to do that, but if
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  Speaker 6: they can, perhaps then this opens up a little bit.
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  Speaker 7: And that's what Arnatto's thinking.
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  Speaker 1: Well, can we know you have to go where are
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  Speaker 1: you today?
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  Speaker 7: By the way, for Myers Red Sox?
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  Speaker 1: Oh for misery? Oh is that?
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  Speaker 2: Why where are the Yankees? You here at the Red
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  Speaker 2: Sox is trying to rekindle the rivalry?
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  Speaker 5: Cool?
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  Speaker 1: HEJ I got thanks K, Thanks Ken enjoyed Jeb Blue.
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  Speaker 2: I hope you if you go all the way up
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  Speaker 2: to the top of the left field, you might get
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  Speaker 2: a nosebleaken.
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  Speaker 1: So watch out.
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  Speaker 3: That's Ken Rosenthal obviously fair territory coming up to tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: Catch it live ten to thirty am Eastern time, an
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  Speaker 3: earlier time slot for that one.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what he said.
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  Speaker 3: That's what he said.
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  Speaker 5: That's what he said.
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  Speaker 3: That's what he said. All right. We love Max Schurz
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  Speaker 3: are on this show. He appears from time to time
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  Speaker 3: very opinionated. To be honest, I don't always agree with him,
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  Speaker 3: but he says it with his chest and sometimes he
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  Speaker 3: is spot on. In this case, I think he's wrong.
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  Speaker 3: So he appeared in his spring training debut yesterday with
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  Speaker 3: the ABS system, and AJ was on the other end
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  Speaker 3: of calls that did not go his way via the
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  Speaker 3: robo ump He said after the game quote, I'm a
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  Speaker 3: little skeptical on this. I get what we're trying to
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  Speaker 3: do here, but I think major league umpires are really good.
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  Speaker 3: They're really good. So what are we actually changing here?
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  Speaker 3: We know they are going to be strikes that are
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  Speaker 3: changed to balls and balls that are changed to strikes,
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  Speaker 3: so we're basically going to be even So are we
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  Speaker 3: actually going to improve the game. Are the umpires really
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  Speaker 3: that bad? I don't think so, And later said this
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  Speaker 3: isn't a Jason Stark article, by the way. That's kind
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  Speaker 3: of how we've always played baseball. That's kind of what
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  Speaker 3: looks normal. You know, when you get to this robot world.
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  Speaker 3: If we're going to sit there and say it's a
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  Speaker 3: laser zone, then we don't care about if a picture
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  Speaker 3: hits his spot or not. I'm super against this. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: the ABS system so far looks like a roaring success.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna tell you this story, which I think
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  Speaker 2: is great, and I've only seen it a couple of times,
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  Speaker 2: and I haven't seen in person yet. But I was
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  Speaker 2: talking to Daniel descalso, who's the Cardinals bench coach, and
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  Speaker 2: we were talking about it.
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  Speaker 1: And he says, I love the abs. Like what you mean?
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  Speaker 2: He goes, it's electric. He said, we had first one
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  Speaker 2: the other day and there was like four thousand fans
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  Speaker 2: in Jupiter and he goes, somebody did this. The whole crowd,
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  Speaker 2: we're yelling, the crowd yelling strike, strike, strike, strike. It
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  Speaker 2: comes back as a strike. We jump up and down.
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  Speaker 2: The crowd goes crazy.
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  Speaker 5: I saw yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: I saw something something else for fans to get excited about.
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  Speaker 4: I think I think Max couldn't be more off. And
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  Speaker 4: I agree with a lot of stuff that Max says,
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  Speaker 4: especially the part where he said he said, you know,
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: it just kind of evens out in the end. Anyway,
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: It doesn't like yesterday we were at we stayed for
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: the Pirates game.
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: Afterwards.
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: Tommy fam who was on the show, we talked to
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: him and he was, you know, talking about well, I
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: guess I'll have to try to use it. I don't
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: know if it'll even come up three to two count,
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: gave him a bah catcher, threw it around. Tommy didn't
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: even wait one second. He was like, you got to
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: check that dog. Everybody looked up in the screen. It
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: was I mean even in Pirate City or Leecom Park,
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: whatever it's called. It's up on the screen and all
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: the fans were sitting there and you can see there
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: was like it was exciting for me, it was exciting
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: for my son. The first time we'd seen it live.
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: And they got it right. Tommy got a walk. It
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: doesn't even out in the end like it's you get
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: the right call, You get the call correct, that's what
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: you're looking for. It just didn't work out for Max.
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: So it was a good sound we got.
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: Kirk.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: Kirk framed the crap out of the ball is low
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: and whoop, yep, brought it back Yep.
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: There is another example. There is another example of not
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: letting pictures. They just don't know exactly what the strike.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of them heads are moving.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: They can't Oh yeah, they're trying to watch. We're trying
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: to Like, it's you can't let you can't let pictures
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: fight the zone. You just gotta you gotta let the
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: catchers and pictures, I mean catchers and hitters to it.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're biased.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: What's gonna Scott, what's gonna be the most fascinating is
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: we keep talking about this who's allowed to do this again,
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: It's gonna come down to who the team's allowed to
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: do this, because again, if it's the wrong guy at
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: the wrong time and they waste the and it comes
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: up in a big situation, you gotta go with Tommy
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: fam who knows the strikes done great.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: If Aircrats, if Aircraft like there's two per team, I
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: mean two per game. I think Aircrats probably gets one
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: challenge per year. If I get it wrong, I lose it,
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: it's gone forever. That's that's how I would have That's
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: how I would handle it. If your career on base
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: percentage is below three hundred, I need you to stay
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: away from the challenges because there's dudes that can hit
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: but have no idea of the strike zone. They're swinging
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: at everything. I don't need you arguing like you you
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: don't have you don't have that leeway. You know another thing,
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: you know Tommy did say, you know every hitter should
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: get a challenge I think that would be a good
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: way to do it. And also, you know I talked
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: about talking with the sclso he had a good idea too.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: You know, every hitter gets one time out and in
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: a bat, why can't a picture get one time out
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: an inning? Let's say a picture has to go cover first,
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: the next one they have to back up home. Then
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: they got to do run here or do this.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Why can't they get a thirty second Hey, I need
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: a thirty second time out once an inning or once
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: a start or something.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: You talk to pictures about it, and we could have
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: the kid's going fast.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: They need to have one with even without the people
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: are like, well, they get to step off and they
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: get like to me, even without guys on, you need
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: there's sometimes where you need a time out. And I
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: think pitchers gripe about it, but we haven't heard it
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: on a larger level of them griping.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: I'm still confused on what I'm missing from Max, Like
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: I would love to do the back and forth at
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: some point with him and be like Max. First of all,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: like Kratz said, it does not even out Okay, Game
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: seven World Series, You've worked your whole life to this.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Pitches eight inches off the plate and you get, you know,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: a strike three call from your teammate who's at the plate.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: You're gonna be pissed as hell. And then we can
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: reverse it now so it doesn't even out. It improves
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: the situation.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: I also think at the point where Max is in
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: his career, he's been he's been grinding to this point
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: as far as like he's gonna be a Hall of Famer.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: He's seeing other Hall of famer at the end of
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: the career get this much off the plate, earn this
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: pitch like he you know, you pitch in those zones.
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: That's gone. That benefit is now gone.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: And he's he's been in that apex of his career
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: for a long time where he's been getting those calls.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: There's no more yelling at the umpire and say, oh man,
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: I need that or you know, I'm just working the
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: umpire in the first inning like Lackie used to, like
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: all those veteran guys used to do, and he's not
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: going to get that.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it just doesn't make sense to me. I mean,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: you want to talk about a foul call in the
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: NBA or a penalty flag in the NFL in certain cases,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: where you can make a case on holding or not. Okay,
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: but if we have a designated strike zone that a
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: machine can learn and evaluate what am I missing? You know?
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: So anyway, I'd love to go back and forth with
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: him at some point. I'm sure we can get him
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: on because when I saw this quote after the game,
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: I was like, Max, come on, dude. I mean, it's
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: nice that he was given credit to umpires and saying
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: they do a good job. They do a good job,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: but a good job for them still could be ninety
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: two percent, and that means they miss eight percent of
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: calls that day and now we have an opportunity to
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: fix some of them. And yes, on top of all
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: of this, so far, it has been roaring, roaring reviews
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: from players, fans, managers, front office, basically everybody in baseball
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: has been a fan of this. If you're super old
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: school and you just believe that everything should be exactly
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: how it was, okay, But I mean we had this
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: argument about the pitch clock too, and the pitch clock
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: has actually brought the game more back to a seventy
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: eighties nineties style of pace because it got slowed up
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: because people took advantage of the rules and said, hey,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: I'm just going to slow this game down so I
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: could manipulate it the way I want to. So anyway,
• 20:36
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• 20:39
  Speaker 3: old days when we would have the cards and the binders,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: but then they'd get all messed up and we're trying
• 20:44
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• 20:47
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• 20:49
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• 20:53
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• 20:55
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• 20:57
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• 21:00
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• 21:03
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• 21:07
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• 21:08
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• 21:15
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• 21:38
  Speaker 3: get to cal Raley actually on the ABS system. He
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: spoke yesterday.
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: Well, the first thing I would do is not implement
• 21:46
  Speaker 10: the ABS.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, why.
• 21:48
  Speaker 10: I just think it's good for the game. I just
• 21:49
  Speaker 10: don't think that robot ops should be going the whole game.
• 21:53
  Speaker 10: I think there's a good human element to it. It
• 21:55
  Speaker 10: holds accountability and honestly, like people want to see, you know,
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: some bad calls every once in a while, and they
• 22:00
  Speaker 10: want to see people get thrown out of a game.
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: And like, if you take it all that away, nobody's
• 22:04
  Speaker 10: gonna get thrown out. And that also draws, you know,
• 22:06
  Speaker 10: a larger crowd to watch in baseball. So I would
• 22:08
  Speaker 10: not implement the ABS. I don't think it's a good idea.
• 22:11
  Speaker 10: The challenge system is interesting.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: It feels like a good middle ground.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:14
  Speaker 10: Maybe, like it's it's out there, so it's like maybe,
• 22:17
  Speaker 10: you know, we'll see how it goes.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Cow Cow. I'm gonna represent the fans here. We do
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: not want bad calls. We do not go to a
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: game and say, man, I can't wait until the umpire
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: really blows that call. We actually want this challenge system,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: like krat said, so we can go, uh, you're wrong.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: The machine said, you're wrong. Let's play on and fix this.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: I think he said two things.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I think I think he meant more like, we're taking
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: all the argaming out of the game. There's no there's
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: nothing for our managers to argue. They can't argue. They
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: can't argue anything because replay covers almost everything. Now they're
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: gonna gonna be able to argue balls and strikes.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: What what good? What fun is it?
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: How are you gonna come and see Loop Panela kick
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: dirt and Lloyd mcclennon pick a bag up and steal it,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: and Earl Weaver and all these managers come out and
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: put on a show for the fans and get their
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: team fired up. I mean, I get it, But at
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: the same time, I'm like, I like the challenge system.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Let's not go to full at full automatic the challenge system.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Because you know what it does. Also, we've taken all.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: The strategy out of the game by getting rid of
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: the National league teams. Anyways, so are the National league rules?
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: So let's have something. We got to have a little
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: strategy to do. Yeah, I don't know when do.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I tap my head when coach Hey Boney can.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: I no, not you, not you me, No, not you.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: I think I think when what cal said could get
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: misconstrued in the sense he was talking about the ABS system,
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: which is a strictly the robo umpire, and then he
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: talked about the challenge system, which I think I haven't
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: heard anybody complain until Max talked about it there about
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: how well if we have a challenge system, I think
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: it could be something that could work. But the strict
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: robo umps. I don't even think people, you know, as
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: Scott's representing the fans. I don't even think fans would
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: love to see nobody back there except for to call,
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: you know, play at the plate, so the umpire comes
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: running out as the play at the plate happens. I
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: don't I don't think anybody wants to see that.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm good with challenge. That's my decision at least
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: for now. The only thing I would do is say
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: you get two and then you get one more, starting
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: in the say seventh inning.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: More more, more, two, and then you get one more
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: and then if you get that one right again, I mean, like,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: come on, you just have unlimited challenges and it'scott no,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: you get two, you get in the head.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Three.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: Okay, I went four. Can I get a four hundred five?
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: We got four? Kind of get five? I think.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: I think it's like the mound visits. The mound visits
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: started I think at seven and then they went to six,
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: and then it went to five because he saw that
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: they weren't really using them. But there has to be
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: some kind of leeway in. There has to be some
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: kind of like bumper and I know it's not coming
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: in this year, but it has to be a bumper
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: where you're like, okay, we're not using them, but man,
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: that was egregious. We can still go and do that
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: because they do that with a mound visits.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: You get to zero. And if something haywire goes.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: On and the umpire feels like it's fine to use
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: a you know, to go and have a mound visit.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: They allow it. They're not gonna allow it for just anything,
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: but you have to use common sense when they do
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: finally implement this.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Okay, I mean, as I just asked for three three
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: total instead of two get three.
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: I want four.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: I mean that's the problem. See, I mean one's fine.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: I don't want five, don't I want to because it's
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: more strategicy. More strategicy, the less you have because you
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: got to pick one to use them. And like, listen,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: what is what is John Schneyder gonna do in Max
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: ers or goes like this and he's wrong. He's gonna
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: take Max in the corner and punish him. No, I
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: don't think, Nope, he's not gonna yell at him. He's
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: gonna be like man. But then sure Teachery comes in
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: in Max next time might not top his head as.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Quick and then it's bottom eight and flatties up and
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: he gets wrung up.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: And now it would be cool. What happens if they
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: forget they're out of challenges? Do they like lose a
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: run like a basketball every when Michigan called time out,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Chris whoever? They got a technical right? Like, I tap
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: my head, Oh wait, you're out of challenges. Guess what
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: your doctor?
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Run?
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: You're thrown out of the game like a technical challenge?
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: Are you arguing with me? You're gone?
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: I think the yump just gets to say, ha ha,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: you challenge two times already in this game and we're wrong.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: So ha ha, you don't get it. Play on. I
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: think that's what you do.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: That's a terrible game. You missed.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: You missed the other eighteen I missed you challenge that
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: was right, and.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Hey if they start arguing, good, then you got your
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: argument still and then someone can get kicked out.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: What if, like say, sake off for bid, somebody goes
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: like this and they're just adjusting their helmet and they're like,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: we're challenging, challenging the umpires at him for something and
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: they're like, oh, he challenged even though pitch was like
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: way out, like it was an intentional walk or some
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: pitch out or something.
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: So you're playing into what you're saying. There's still many
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: other ways to get in arguments with umpires and put
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: on a show at times where people will get thrown
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: out of games. You guys asked Ken about this, but
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: I want to get your take on both Arnado and Rizzo.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Let's start with Arnatto. He took a long trip to
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: be here. Can you take me inside how that went down?
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Do you think that was more Nolan or the team?
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: And do you think that him showing up in Tampa
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: shows the Yanks a little bit extra that he wants
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: to be there. And do you really think that if
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: he performs well or looks good that it can lead
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: to anything? Or is this just eyewash.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: You're asking me?
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think listen, he didn't want to make
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: a four hour, three and a half hour drive unless
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: he really maybe wanted to go play for the team
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: that they're playing against. I don't know it to me. Listen,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: the Yankees if he ends up in the Yankees are
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: do you know what Nolan R and Onno could do?
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: So the fact if he drove this far, I don't
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: know if we should be giving him credit or I'm
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: asked more of like why. I remember when I saw
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: him walk in, I was like, man, Ollie Marmle hates him.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: If he had to drive all the way here, and
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: you know they were laughing at No. He wanted to come,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: so good for him he wanted. I mean, when you
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: get to a certain point in your career, Scott, you
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: can make those decisions. And Nolan wanted to come. Now
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: why he wanted to come, I don't know. Maybe he
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: has family in Tampa, maybe there's someone he wants to
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: have dinner with Maybe he enjoyed the hotel they were
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: staying in last night.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Maybe he's golfing up at Innisbrook, maybe
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: he's driving something like that.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: But as focused as he is, and the fact that
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: he's a VET, he definitely asked to come on this trip.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: He could have played all games in Jupiter and never
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: had to leave Jupiter. Yes, I agree with you that
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: a dog that all the teams Dodgers, Yankees, Tigers, Red Sox,
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: they all know what Aeronauto can do and has done,
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: But he is kind of trying to rebuild his value
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: a little bit after the season. There's no better way
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: to show a team than by putting yourself right in
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: front of them. Because today the Yankees are gonna be
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: working out all their infielders. They're gonna have certain guys
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: at third, they're gonna have certain guys at second, and
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: maybe something happens to me. I think this is very deliberate,
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: and I think it is a in my opinion, hats
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: off to Aeronato because it shows while he doesn't want
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: to be with the Cardinals, he doesn't want to play
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: at all. Twenty nine other teams, well now twenty eight
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: because the Red Sox don't want him and the Astros
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: seem to not want him. But it shows he wants
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: to go somewhere, and maybe he's showing that he's willing
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: to change his change the teams he'll go to.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: And then I want to ask you about Rizzo too,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: especially because you're at Yanks camp and he was part
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: of the Yanks the last couple of years. I know
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: he's dealt with injuries. We talked to this, talked about
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: this with Ken Rosenthal. But whether you believe in it
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: or not, and whether you think that it should drive
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: value for a player, front offices are not just looking
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: at basic stats, and even if they did, they don't
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: look great recently for Anthony because he hasn't been on
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: the field as much and doesn't look like the prime
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Anthony Rizzo. And that's okay, But if you go to
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: his stackass page, I mean the percentiles in terms of
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: where he ranks among the league in most of the
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: hitting peripheral numbers or towards the bottom right. The only
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: one that you know he's got some red four is
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: some contact, but everything else, you know, expected slugging, exitb
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: low barrel percentage, hard hit percentage, et cetera. Is towards
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: the very bottom of baseball. Okay, So no matter who
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: he is, and obviously the credentials that he has, he's
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: not getting five million bucks to join a team right now.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: It's just how it is. I would say our show
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: gives credit to players for getting their value more than
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: any other show right where like, hey, this player's getting
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: screwed in this situation. I'm just legitimately feel like it's
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: late career hitting you and it's hard to get phone
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: calls like that. But you guys tell me if you
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: feel otherwise.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: That's what I don't know what I said, Isn't that
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: what I said? Like, there comes a point where you
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: got to just decide if you want to play or
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: not and if the money's worth it. There's I mean, yeah,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I mean you can look at all you want, but yeah,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: he has some intangibles. He could bring leadership, defense, whatever
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: it is. Maybe he bounces back, but at the end
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: of the day, you've got to make a decision for
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: you and your family. Do I want to play or
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: do I not want to play? Is a million bucks
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: worth it? Most people on the Street would say yes.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: But maybe Anthony Rindol has made enough to where he
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: doesn't have to pay for a million bucks. He doesn't
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: want to play.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: For a million bucks.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: That's his decision. Many people have made this decision in
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: the passcott, So listen, it just comes down to does
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: he want to play or not if he has offers
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: on the table. And you know, when Ken's talking about
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: non roster invitees, you're late into camp. Most rosters are full.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Guess what if you're a veteran guy like that and
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: you call If someone calls Anthony Rizzo, they're not calling
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: him to have him come to camp and not make
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: the team. You're probably gonna make the team unless you
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: just are so out of shape and just look off
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: or you're a turd. Yeah, exactly, unless something goes haywire,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: which we've never heard about Anthony Rizzo. So that's why
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: when he's like, oh, these guys are getting non roster invitees,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: of course they are, because team to have him over
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: the barrel right now because games have started. Camp's already
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: multiple weeks in and if you haven't signed by now,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: then they know you're getting desperate.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: So it's a tough situation.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I couldn't agree more. And there's nobody
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: that can speak on understanding or not understanding your value
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: to play baseball than me. Like I took the lowest
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: I took NRIs non roster invites all the time, and
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: I knew the exact opposite of what he was saying
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: about Rizzo. I most likely, unless there's an injury, I
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: was going to triple A. There's a couple couple of
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: times where it was like, Oh, no, you're gonna make
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: the team. You're gonna be our second guy, You're gonna
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: be the backup. We're carrying three catchers, whatever it is.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: So you have to understand your value, and you have
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: to understand where you're at with or where the team's at,
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: but also where you were at with all those numbers
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: that you were talking about. Scott, if he thinks his
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: value is higher than that, but he's okay being at home.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: You have to be okay being at home. You have
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: to go out on your terms or you're gonna feel
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: some type of way about baseball, like, oh, baseball screwed me,
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: no matter what it is.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I understand players saying, hey, I gotta make
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: sure that I don't mess up future players with comps.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: But I'm like, I don't see this at all here.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: You know that not at the bottom defense at the
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: bottom of the hittings are at the bottom of his career.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: He's not in the prime of his career. He's at
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: the end of his career. So at the end of
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: your career is different than when you're in the prime.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: When you're in the prime of your career, that's when
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: you can move the market. But when you're at the
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: end of your career, you're just trying to get whatever
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: you can as far as I'm concerned. I mean, you know,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: so the next time a thirty eight year old I think,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: is Rizzio thirty eight? How old is he he's thirty whatever,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: he is, thirty.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Thirty six or seven, something like that in that range.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: The next time a thirty six thirty seven year old
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: first baseman coming off basically two bad years in a row,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: not great years, and he's a free agent. Oh no,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: he's only going to get two or three million dollars.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Like most of the times, guys would be like, Okay,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I got to prove myself and I have a good year,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I can do it again. Right, So it just it
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: just comes down to do you want to play? I
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: keep saying it, Anthony Rizzard, you want to play or not?
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: That's it.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Do you want to play? If you want to play,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: great and if not, even great too. I don't totally
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: look to you like you've done enough. You won a
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: World Series, You've done a lot of cool things. You've
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: hit big homers, you've played in Chicago, San Diego, New York. Like,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: you've done a lot of great things. If you're ready
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: to hang them up, guess what, go home and live
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: your life with your family and be happy, and it'll
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: be great.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Also, there's a first baseman who right now, in my
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: mind is a better player than him for this coming season,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: who just took a minor league contract. His name is
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Rowdy Tiles. He had better numbers last year. You had
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: better peripheral numbers last year. I think even his defense
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: rated better last year. Obviously, Anthony Rizzo much better career.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: But right now, this second, you just had a guy
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: that took a minor league contract with the Mariners. Rowdy
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: signed with the Mariners.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: I didn't know last week.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that was on Friday. So you didn't
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: hear it.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: That's why I didn't see it.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: Ima.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: That's so rude, but that's my point. Rowdy. I know, Rowdy.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Rowdy is a better player. One more quick thing too,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: because we didn't get a ton of time to talk
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: about it. But I just want to circle back to it.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Kyle Finnegan thirty eight saves last year. He was an
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: All Star. He was great at the back end of
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: the bullpen for the Nats. High v low guy, low
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: strikeout guy, right ground ball guy, but really really effective
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: pitcher who also I think gets dinged by some of
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: these peripheral statskrats. You know, he's not striking out the
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: world in the ninth inning, but he got six million bucks,
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: and I do think he's got value. I do think
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: the Nats hurt his value a little bit by non
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: tendering him, because then other teams are like, oh, well,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: you don't think he's worth eight or nine, Okay, but
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: he still goes back and gets almost that number. And
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: I think it makes the Nats a lot better because
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: I was pretty worried about that bullpen.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but six minutes, like, who doesn't have six million dollars.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: That's why I had my fingers up. Who doesn't have
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: six million dollars for Kyle Finnegan as like your backup
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: to the backup plan for the sense of we got
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: a closer. You know he's going to be down for
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: fifteen days. Bang, we throw Kyle Finnegan in to get
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: some saves, like he's done it before.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: Having that experience is huge. But I.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: Six million, I feel like I feel like everybody's got
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: six million, all the teams.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, of course, I'm curious how the offseason
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: went for him and what kind of phone calls came through.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: But he also does get to take the ninth inning back,
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: so I'm glad it worked out for him. Yeah, he
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: was the name where you're looking around, You're like, hey,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: what's going on? Why any teams looking at Kyle Finnegan.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: We didn't really hear many rumors about him throughout the offseason.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: True, what are you gonna do?
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: Though?
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I mean again, it's tough, man, It's tough.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: You play musical chairs, musical chairs in your little there's
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: no chair left exactly.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Get out of here, Trevor. It's time for your bet MGM, futures.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Look at Brent. Everyone can okay, thirty four and a
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: half homers. We're going up or down on this. I
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: need analysis on Sacramento. Hey, J Kratz, it's gonna play.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: Can you hear me?
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I think.
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: I think they muted.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: But I must say, I must say I'm not touching this.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: I mean because I don't know how it's gonna play.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know how Sacramento is gonna play, Thank you too.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know how it's gonna play. How Sacramento could
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, I played there twenty five years ago, Like,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It was a good place to hit,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: but I just don't know because it's different. I'm not
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: I'm saying don't touch it. I mean for me personally.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: I hope Broker hits more than that, just from a
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: personal standwoy, because I like him. But other than that,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I do not touch this.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: It's one of those things that the number is gonna
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: go up if it plays like a PCL park. But
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: as far as PCL parks go, it's not one of
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: the bigger ones. I mean, it's it's not one of
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: the ones that a ton of dudes hit a ton
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: of homers.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: It's it's one of.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: The ones that was more fair, but you're also playing
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: in Tucson at the time, you're also playing in Reno.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: You're playing in places where it's just you're on the
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: moon and Sack Albuquerque. Sack wasn't one of those. But
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: it doesn't mean when you put big leaguers in a
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: minor league park that it's not gonna get bigger.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. You're saying it wasn't one of
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: those top top hitting parks in that league. But where
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: does it compare to a big league park? It still
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: could be a bandbox. Did you get that, Vive or
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: it's too hard to tell based on comps.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: It's hard to tell because here's I mean, they do
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: use big league balls in Triple A now, so it's
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: a little bit different. But it's not big league hitters,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: it's not big league pitching, it's not big lead atmosphere,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: it's not big lea everything.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: So I don't know.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: It's too early to tell until I see. You're gonna
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: have to see it, you know, a month or two
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: of games before you can decide it. Because everyone remember
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Toronto used to be a great place to hit. They
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: move the fences and everyone's like, oh, it's a pitcher's park, Like, wait,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: what happened? It's the same park and I never played
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: in sack. I played in every triple A stadium. That's
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: one of my.
• 39:55
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• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Anthony Rizzo? Anthony Rizzo.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: No, no, not on Rizzo too soon. By the way,
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: the other thing I thought about with Rizzo was how
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: he was insulted about their extension offer. He would have
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: made more money with that extension from the Cubs. The
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Cubs got a lot of crap back then for offering
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: extensions to everyone, and some of the guys did better,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: like Chris Bryant, and some didn't.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Just saying anyway, it happens.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: The answer, the answer we were looking for, is Sammy Sosa.
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: Hello, Sammy, look at Sammy.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: That's else you know what. Good for Sammy. Welcome back
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: sa Listen. Say what you want about Sammy the way
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: he left them. He did leave I think his last
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: game in the middle of the game, which is something
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: I had never heard of before. And he didn't leave
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: on the best terms. But welcome back Sammy, because you
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: can't tell the Cubs history without Sammy sos to being
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: a large chunk of it. I mean from the home
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: run chases to him running out. Remember when he ran
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: out with the flag out the yfield after nine to eleven, Like.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: How cool was that?
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, you know, listen, there's ups and downs
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: in everyone's career. It's a shame the way it ended
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: with them there, But Sammy is part of Cubs history
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: and he deserves to be around. Good for you Cubs,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Good for you Ricketts family, and good for you Sammy.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: Yes, big, big for Sammy, because I know there's feelings, hurt,
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: feelings hurt on both sides, So good for them for
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: coming together because he is. If you think about storylines,
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: people are going to bring up the No Championships twenty
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: sixteen Bartman and Sammy Sosa as your top some of
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: your top five stories.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: True.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: I agree, Yeah, especially in the past like thirty years
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: or so. Obviously there's more history if you go further
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: back Arnie Banks and Ryan Samberg, etc. Anyway, I want
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: to spend the last few minutes talking about Andrew McCutcheon
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: talking about Mike trout AJ. We need't get to really
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: slice up those comments, but did you take it as
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Cutch saying, Hey, Trouty, you were a legend, But if
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: you want to stay on the field, maybe you take
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: some of those DH spots on certain days where you're
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: feeling it.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: You know what's funny is we talked to Aaron Boone
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: about Cody Bellinger. I saw Cody earlier and he was
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: trying to get here but he ran out of time
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: and I mentioned it and he said, you know, the
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: difference in center field is again what we've talked about.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: You have to cover so much ground and you're always
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: in play. The ball can go either way. You have
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: to back up your right and your left fielder. He says,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: you know, right or left field. You know, a batter
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: hits it, you know what's going usually one one way
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: or the other. But in center you have to cover
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: both gaps. You have to cover kind of both lines.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: You're running all over the place. He's like, listen, I
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: can play center field every day. I'm still young enough.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: I still really enjoy it. But he's like, good for Trout.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: You know what his biggest thing was that we both
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: agreed with. We both want Mike Trout on the field,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: just so we can see him, whether it's dh right field,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: first base, second base, wherever he's got to play, to
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: be on the field.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: It's good for the game. We need Mike Trout on
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: the field, whatever it takes.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: And that's players. That's player, player on player fanboy. Yeah,
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: Cutch wants to see Trout out there. Belly was SETI
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: saw it on the show, right, Yeah, he said he
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: saw touch his interview. So it's like players understand, and
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: players like this, like guys kind of help and they
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: like want to see certain players out there because they're
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: freaking good and they're great for the game.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Kratz hats at the Buzzer here.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: Obvious another new era special, but Boonie's Boonie came out
• 44:31
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• 44:34
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• 44:36
  Speaker 4: many other places, but appreciate your new era Yankees hat,
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: the home hat. I had the great one on the
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: other day. I like the great one better for an
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: everyday hat.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Thirty seconds left, say your.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you the Yankees, the people that came out,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Aaron Boone look.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Weaver obviously got to see a bunch of people, and
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: I know Crats and Cardinals camp, but I got to
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: see a bunch of the Cardinals too, so for me
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: it was like a home week. They were sad I
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: won't be able to see you tomorrow. Thank you for
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: everybody who came out and talked to me before the show.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: More on the show maybe next time, but it was
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: great to see a bunch of the dudes that I
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: hadn't seen in a long time.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Weaver was great. Boonie is always great and gives us
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: that exclusive content. Cardinals Camp tomorrow, Mets Camp on Friday,