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Skyfall on Mars? · Made of Stars

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  Speaker 3: When we are made of stars? I'm Wes Carrol, joined
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  Speaker 3: by my good friend doctor Sean Cruisin from Column State Universities,
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  Speaker 3: Coca Cola Space Science Center. Morning Shawn, Good morning West.
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  Speaker 2: What a great day to talk about space.
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  Speaker 3: Well, in a little while, there's a launch that's going
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  Speaker 3: to be happening or scheduled to happen a little bit
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  Speaker 3: later today. Because we're recording before the launch, not a
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  Speaker 3: whole lot to say about it except that we'll tell
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  Speaker 3: you more about it next week. I mean, that's about
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  Speaker 3: the best we can do other than you know, telling
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  Speaker 3: you that it's going to happen. So it's important that
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  Speaker 3: we just stress because it's going to happen around lunchtime today.
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  Speaker 3: We're recording in the morning and we'll give you an
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  Speaker 3: update on that launch in a week. Now, one more
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  Speaker 3: quick thing I gotta do because we're getting close to
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we're recording this on the day before August,
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  Speaker 3: August Eve, if you will, and August brings the role
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  Speaker 3: into Labor Day weekend, and that means dragon Con at
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  Speaker 3: in Atlanta in the this I guess there's five host
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  Speaker 3: hotels now, so that's it's grown yet again. I think
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  Speaker 3: the first year I was covering this, almost twenty five
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  Speaker 3: years ago, I think there were two hotels. Now they're
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  Speaker 3: up to five. But we do the dragon Con pregame
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  Speaker 3: show on radio in about two hundred stations.
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  Speaker 2: What is the attendance of dragon Con. Oh, that's a great,
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  Speaker 2: great question. I mean just an estimate.
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  Speaker 3: So let's see, in the largest year that I was
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  Speaker 3: covering it, they hit close to ninety thousand, somewhere in
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  Speaker 3: that range. The first year I was covering it, it was
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  Speaker 3: about twenty five, maybe a little less than twenty five.
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  Speaker 3: And as a member of the longest standing consecutive media
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  Speaker 3: covering it all this time, I can't help but take
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  Speaker 3: most of the credit for that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, just you No.
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  Speaker 2: That's natural. I think I would take credit if I
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  Speaker 2: was in your position.
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  Speaker 3: The amount of money that comes into the state of
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  Speaker 3: Georgia because of the convention. I mean, this is a
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  Speaker 3: big deal. Obviously, every single year, one of the largest
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  Speaker 3: parades that happens anywhere in the country. I know that
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  Speaker 3: there's you know, we got New Orleans Marty gras and
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  Speaker 3: then we've got Savannah and Saint Patrick's Day. Those are
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  Speaker 3: obviously really big parades, but one of the biggest parades
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  Speaker 3: of the year definitely the parade that has the most
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  Speaker 3: people in costume. And I would make that case even
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  Speaker 3: against Marty Gras so and even again even against the
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  Speaker 3: you know people, if you count just wearing green in
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  Speaker 3: general as a costume, then maybe not, but still so.
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  Speaker 3: The event happens Labor Day weekend every year, and we
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  Speaker 3: do the dragon Con pregame show, which will be on
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  Speaker 3: about two hundred radio stations throughout Georgia and bleed over
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  Speaker 3: into neighboring states. That'll happen the twenty third and twenty
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  Speaker 3: fourth of August on radio, and then we'll have the
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  Speaker 3: podcast version of it, which we you know, passed episodes.
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  Speaker 3: You can hear right now. The dragon Con pregame show podcast,
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  Speaker 3: I mention it. We talked about it last week. I
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  Speaker 3: mentioned it again because you guys at the co Cola
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  Speaker 3: Space Science Center sponsor the show every year, and as
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  Speaker 3: of right now, and I only really talk about guests
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  Speaker 3: once they're booked, and this year, two of the guests
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  Speaker 3: that are currently booked. There's about three more I'm waiting
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  Speaker 3: to find out about and I would love to talk
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  Speaker 3: about them, but again not comfortable until I actually say, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I have a time for those interviews. As of today,
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  Speaker 3: I have a time for two interviews with two of
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  Speaker 3: the guests, and they are both pretty currently pretty major
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  Speaker 3: Star Wars guests. And I know Star Wars is one
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  Speaker 3: of those things where you know, there's obviously been phases
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  Speaker 3: where you say, okay, well, there's the original trilogy, and
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  Speaker 3: then there were the prequel trilogies, and then there's the
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  Speaker 3: TV universe, which includes the Mandalorian kind of a big deal,
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  Speaker 3: and then the Ahsoka series also kind of a big deal.
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  Speaker 3: And two of the people who I will be interviewing
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  Speaker 3: this year who will be appearing at Dragon Con or
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  Speaker 3: part of both of those shows, Katie Sakoff, who prior
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  Speaker 3: to Star Wars big name in sci fi because of
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  Speaker 3: Battlestar Galactica, and she you know, is a very accomplished
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  Speaker 3: also interviewer. I'm excited about it. I like interviewing interviewers.
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  Speaker 3: First of all. That's always fun to me because she
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  Speaker 3: also does a podcast. She did the show Longmire, one
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  Speaker 3: of my dad's favorite shows on TV. And then also
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  Speaker 3: just found out, uh, Diana Lee in Asanto, whose dad
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  Speaker 3: is a legend in the martial arts community as far
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  Speaker 3: as you know, a martial arts choreographer and actor, and
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  Speaker 3: she has very much followed in his footsteps and has
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  Speaker 3: now become you know, part of the Star Wars universe
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  Speaker 3: and has trained a lot of actors and things into
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  Speaker 3: martial arts and choreography and movies. And by the way,
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  Speaker 3: when I say her middle name is Lee, she's named
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  Speaker 3: after her godfather. You may you may have maybe the
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  Speaker 3: one that's a little bigger than than Spike Lee. She's
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  Speaker 3: she's named after her godfather, Bruce Lee. So they would
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  Speaker 3: you're always yeah, not not the vegan brother of Bruce
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  Speaker 3: Lee Brock. That's a different guy altogether. So when when
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  Speaker 3: Bruce Lee is your godfather and your dad is a
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  Speaker 3: legend in the Dan by the way he went. There
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  Speaker 3: were legends in this obviously is not just stunt men,
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  Speaker 3: but performers in general, and she's followed in that suit.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what took so long to get her
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  Speaker 3: cast in some of these shows and things. She's worked
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  Speaker 3: in a lot of things, but she really was sort
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  Speaker 3: of kind of waiting on that big break and then
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, one day she hears from her manager, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: I was just hanging out with some people were on
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  Speaker 3: the set of one of the Star Wars shows, and
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  Speaker 3: all of the producers and writers and things were just
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  Speaker 3: talking about you, and she's like what. So next thing
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  Speaker 3: you know, she's having a meeting and she gets cast
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  Speaker 3: in the Ahsoka and Mandalorian series. So kind of a
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  Speaker 3: cool story there. Looking forward to talking to them. But anyway,
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  Speaker 3: that's to uh, two of the names that we'll be
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  Speaker 3: talking with on the pregame show this year, And I
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  Speaker 3: just want to again thank you for you guys supporting
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  Speaker 3: what we do there and all these connections between science
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  Speaker 3: and science fiction we like to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a It's a great thing because it's
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  Speaker 2: a celebration of what inspires many of us to go
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  Speaker 2: into science in the first place, which is the imagination
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  Speaker 2: sparking shall we say, universe of sci fi? So, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, sorry about the Spike Lee joke. I could
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  Speaker 2: I guess I could have said Stan, you know, but whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Stan would have also been a good good name. Hey,
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  Speaker 3: any having any of them if your if your goal
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  Speaker 3: is to get into you know, film or to get
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  Speaker 3: into science fiction, either one of those guys would have
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  Speaker 3: been great. But Christopher Christopher Lee would have also been
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of good or Brock, you know, Broccoli
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  Speaker 3: is also rock or Brock. Yeah, any of those guys,
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  Speaker 3: any of those. So excited to talk about somebody who
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  Speaker 3: you know. And also she worked on Walker Texas Ranger
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  Speaker 3: because her dad also worked with and trained, you know,
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  Speaker 3: with Walker Texas Ranger himself, Chuck Norris. So that's also
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  Speaker 3: kind of cool.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're just gonna start throwing names around
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  Speaker 3: that you're associated with, yeah, having been around Bruce Lee
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  Speaker 3: and Chuck Norris, that's not a bad way to grow up.
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  Speaker 2: If Chuck Norris were a star, he'd be a supernova,
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  Speaker 2: that's right, or something like that, one of those things.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm excited to talk to her.
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  Speaker 3: And also you know Katie Sackoff, which will be uh,
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  Speaker 3: which will be fantastic. They both seem like they're gonna
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  Speaker 3: be fun to.
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  Speaker 4: Talk with on the show.
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  Speaker 3: All right, So let's go to this launch that's coming
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  Speaker 3: up later today because we you know, we don't. All
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  Speaker 3: we can tell you is that, you know, there's a
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  Speaker 3: clock counting down at this point.
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  Speaker 2: So America's ride to space for the past several years
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  Speaker 2: has been a Dragon capsule. We were hitching rides with
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  Speaker 2: Russians ever since the retirement of the Space Shuttle program.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, SpaceX came along with there. Now we
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  Speaker 2: know very reliable Dragon capsule vehicle, and this is the
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  Speaker 2: eleventh official crew to be launched up to the International
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  Speaker 2: Space Station. It's going to go up just a little
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  Speaker 2: bit later today. As we're recording the podcast this morning.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know the outcome of it because we can't
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  Speaker 2: see the future. But if you're hearing this podcast, you
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  Speaker 2: probably already know. So I'm not going to try to
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  Speaker 2: tell you about it, but I can tell you who's
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  Speaker 2: on board. Allegedly on board is Xena Cardman and Mike Fink,
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  Speaker 2: both NASA astronauts. Xena Cardman is actually the mission commander
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  Speaker 2: Mike Fink is the pilot aboard that vehicle. And then
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  Speaker 2: we have Camilla Yui of the Japanese Space Agency called
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  Speaker 2: JACKSA and cosmonaut Oleg Plotinov, and so these are the
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  Speaker 2: astronauts aboard. Ui and Plotinoff are both mission specialists. They're
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  Speaker 2: heading to the ISS later this day if all goes
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  Speaker 2: well and weather holds out and all those kinds of things,
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  Speaker 2: and they will spend roughly six months aboard the International
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  Speaker 2: Space Station. So it's kind of a cool thing. They're
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  Speaker 2: going to fly today hopefully, and then the vehicle is
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  Speaker 2: scheduled to dock on Saturday around three am local time
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  Speaker 2: here on the East coast of the United States. So
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  Speaker 2: the Crew eleven astronauts which we just talked about, they'll
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  Speaker 2: be replacing another team that's been up there since March.
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  Speaker 2: Who are the Crew ten astronauts. Crew ten is Tokuya Onishi,
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  Speaker 2: Anne McLain, Nicole Ayers, and Kareel Peskov. They've been up
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  Speaker 2: there for a number of months now. They'll be heading
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  Speaker 2: home within just a few days of the docking of
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  Speaker 2: the Crew eleven vehicle, and so they'll be splashing down
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  Speaker 2: somewhere out in the Pacific Ocean. By the way, there's
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  Speaker 2: a whole big series of big storms out in the
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  Speaker 2: Pacific Ocean. Hopefully that won't disrupt any of the operations
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  Speaker 2: of SpaceX and returning those astronauts to Earth. But read
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  Speaker 2: Check out space dot com there, or you can check
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  Speaker 2: right there. So anyway, Crew eleven Dragon, Crew eleven NASA
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  Speaker 2: astronauts going to space later today.
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  Speaker 3: All right, we've really enjoyed talking about the Ingenuity helicopter
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  Speaker 3: that went to Mars and it's historic run. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you start talking about sending a helicopter to another world
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  Speaker 3: and flying it around, having expectations of and I don't
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  Speaker 3: think they were low expectations, but obviously they undersold it
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  Speaker 3: when they said, hey, we're going to go up there.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get a few flights out of it, we hope,
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  Speaker 3: and that'll be that it outperformed what the expectations were.
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  Speaker 3: I guess for it. Well, now that it has been retired,
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  Speaker 3: and I guess retired from flight and it still has
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  Speaker 3: another purpose up there, because I guess it's still enlisted
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  Speaker 3: in doing some things. It's just not a flight vehicle anymore.
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  Speaker 3: But now NASA and JPL have said, hey, we got
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  Speaker 3: an idea on what to do next, and I can't
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  Speaker 3: help but feel like maybe this time they'll have a
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  Speaker 3: more realistic plan for how long this new I guess
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  Speaker 3: crafts because it's plural, right, we'll be able to get
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  Speaker 3: some use while they are there. And now I start wondering,
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  Speaker 3: when you get a more realistic expectation or are they
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  Speaker 3: going to overshoot how long they think that this next
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  Speaker 3: Skyfall will be able to last.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So, first of all, JPL, NASA, good choice on
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  Speaker 2: the name of the vehicle Skyfall. We like that it
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  Speaker 2: was an okay James Bond movie. But it's a great
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  Speaker 2: name for a spacecraft because see spacecraft, they fall from
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  Speaker 2: the sky, right, That's how they get to the surface
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  Speaker 2: of another planet. Anyway, I just kind of like that name.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty cool. It's developed with a US defense based
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  Speaker 2: technology company called AeroVironment ink a V and so the
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  Speaker 2: folks at AeroVironment Inc. Working with NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory.
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  Speaker 2: They designed this spacecraft and they just basically unveiled the
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  Speaker 2: design to the community. It's not built yet, we're just
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  Speaker 2: now seeing what the plan is for Skyfall. It's a
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  Speaker 2: really cool vehicle because it looks like some kind of
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  Speaker 2: round Ufoi Ring of Death, where around the bottom ring
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  Speaker 2: are six very long propped helicopters that will fall from
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  Speaker 2: the sky once the vehicle gets close right, and they'll
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  Speaker 2: release airborne these six helicopters to that invade the planet Mars.
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  Speaker 2: Our worst nightmares and apparitions about what Mars invaders might
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  Speaker 2: be like coming to Earth from Mars and invading our planet,
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  Speaker 2: Well we're doing it to them first in reality, friends,
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  Speaker 2: And this is one nightmarish but really cool looking vehicle
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  Speaker 2: designed by AeroVironment for NASA JPL Skyfall. Yeah, it's got
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  Speaker 2: six copters. They plan to possibly have this concept ready
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  Speaker 2: for launch by twenty twenty eight, which is in line
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  Speaker 2: with the very ambitious plans to put humans on the
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  Speaker 2: surface of Mars by twenty thirty. These helicopters could provide
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  Speaker 2: a variety of data scouting out landing sites, just looking
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  Speaker 2: for in C two resources which means in place like
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  Speaker 2: finding all the resources, scouting areas where water might be
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  Speaker 2: available below the surface of Mars. That is in hand
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  Speaker 2: in hand contingency with imaging using ground penetrating radar from
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  Speaker 2: space orbital vehicles. So this is a really kind of
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  Speaker 2: a preliminary vanguard of vehicles going to the surface of Mars,
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  Speaker 2: preparing the way for human beings to actually walk around
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  Speaker 2: and complete the invasion of the surface of Mars. Right, So,
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  Speaker 2: William Paul Rantz, head of Space Venture for Aero Environment,
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  Speaker 2: says this quote, Skyfall offers a revolutionary new approach to
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  Speaker 2: Mars exploration that is faster and more affordable than anything
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  Speaker 2: that's come before it. With six helicopters, Skyfall offers a
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  Speaker 2: low cost solution that multiplies the range we could cover,
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  Speaker 2: the data we could collect, and the scientific research we
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  Speaker 2: could conduct, making humanity's first footprints on Mars, meaning meaningfully closer.
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  Speaker 2: That's William Palmerantz from Aero Environment. According to the website
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  Speaker 2: Interesting Engineering dot Com ran a story on this, So
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  Speaker 2: there it is friends, NASA JPL preparing for the human
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  Speaker 2: invasion of the Red planet.
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  Speaker 3: We don't want to undersell the name Ingenuity either, because
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  Speaker 3: that was a great name for the first one to
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  Speaker 3: go up, and especially for it to be as successful
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  Speaker 3: as it was and serve as long as it was
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  Speaker 3: able to be in service there. Let me just ask
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  Speaker 3: this question, and this is just kind of aulating, and
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  Speaker 3: if you've heard anything official, obviously you could say, but
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  Speaker 3: otherwise we're this is just us kind of I guess,
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  Speaker 3: asking the question and speculating on it. But it seems
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  Speaker 3: to me if the goal is to, you know, very
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  Speaker 3: soon after this put human beings on Mars, part of
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  Speaker 3: what the role that maybe this particular you mentioned some
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  Speaker 3: of the things that these copters will be doing there,
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  Speaker 3: but would possibly potentially one of the things they'll be
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  Speaker 3: doing there, or possibly maybe the next version of them
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  Speaker 3: actually be there to help document when people do go
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  Speaker 3: to Mars, because you know, that's always been the question
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  Speaker 3: of the skeptics, well how do they have the cameras
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  Speaker 3: on the moon and how were they ready for that?
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  Speaker 3: And obviously you can't do everything for the purposes of
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  Speaker 3: trying to prevent the skeptics, because skeptics will be skeptics.
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  Speaker 3: The tigers go tiger, right, They're going to do what
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  Speaker 3: they got to do just to be skeptics, But as
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  Speaker 3: far as being prepared to cover this and having the
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  Speaker 3: ability to get information back and images and video and
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  Speaker 3: all those sorts of things, I mean, you think there
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  Speaker 3: will be a use for them in that role.
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  Speaker 2: It's just some kind of backhanded way to try to
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  Speaker 2: trick me into saying the moon landings were real. I'm
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  Speaker 2: just wondering what this is. No, I'm just kidding, so
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  Speaker 2: I will say anything. Right, Well, you can't just because
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  Speaker 2: you it's twenty twenty five, Like AI, right, can we
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  Speaker 2: trust images and video in twenty twenty five?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, even these images we have of
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  Speaker 3: Skyfall looks suspiciously AI generated. We were just talking about
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  Speaker 3: that before we started. I just watched a clip of
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  Speaker 3: an interview where someone was talking about Stanley Kubrick and
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  Speaker 3: the lenses that he sometimes used in movies and how
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  Speaker 3: he had gotten them when they were, you know, kind
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  Speaker 3: of practicing how they were going to record things on
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  Speaker 3: the Moon and all that stuff. So whether any of
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  Speaker 3: that's true or not, who knows. But so it's just
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  Speaker 3: kind of fresh on the mind. But in the sense
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  Speaker 3: that you know they will need this will be as
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  Speaker 3: monumental as the Moon was. This will be right there
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  Speaker 3: on par with it. Obviously, with technology today, it seems
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  Speaker 3: like it's maybe less of a feat, but I don't
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  Speaker 3: think it really is. We're talking about landing on another
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  Speaker 3: planet and you know, having human beings walk around. We're
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  Speaker 3: gonna want to document this properly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sequels are rarely better than the original, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: but there's always it's hard to say this is going
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  Speaker 2: to be better than the Apollo eleven moon landing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: because you know the original is almost always better. However,
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  Speaker 2: this is a pretty good sequel because the Moon is
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  Speaker 2: our moon, it's in the orbital system of the Earth,
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  Speaker 2: basically a binary planet. This is actually a different planet
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  Speaker 2: in our Solar System. And if you're going to go
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  Speaker 2: along with me and believe that we actually landed on
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: the surface of the Moon we did, then then yeah,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: it's a pretty monumental thing to say, Hey, we've expanded
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: that to an actual different planet in the Solar System.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: That's a big day. And you better believe that. If
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: JPL has six functioning helicopters buzzing around up there on
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: the surface of Mars with high definition cameras, I'm pretty
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: sure they're gonna probably try to position one or two
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: of those to capture that landing on the surface of Mars,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: especially I if it happens in twenty thirty, which is
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: just not that far away, right, and so hopefully you know,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: hopefully Starship's doing well down there in Texas anyway, but
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: so so yeah, I would hope that they would have
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: those cameras available, maybe even set up another batch of helicopters,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: just for the filming of the momentous event of human
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: beings setting foot on the surface of another planet, not
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: just another world, but another planet for the very first time.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Godfather Too, Empire Strikes Back, The Dark Night, and Return
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: of the King have all entered the chat.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know they're in there. You know Rocky
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: two you missed that one. It's you know, I saw
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: them all. I watched every one of those that you
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: just mentioned, plus Rocky two.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: I just like the fact that, you know, Return of
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: the King was the third one in the trilogy and
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: it was the best. So, uh, coming up after a
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: quick break, we'll get the latest on that interstellar comt
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: we've recently been talking about. We'll do that next. I
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: suppose we should also mention Aliens, right, I mean you
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: should mention that one.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: That's all. I noticed you lopped off Gladiator too. I
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: mean I noticed it.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Terminator too. Anyway, I just you know, there's there's some
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: where they just you know, even if the original was good,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: sometimes that second one is just a little bit better.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: And Ghostbusters to say, there are people who actually think
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Ghostbusters two was better. So you know some people, let's
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: I just didn't couldn't get over how you know one
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: was the better one to me. But anyway, all right,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: let's talk I think there's a thing about Ghostbusters where
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: they say, like it depends on when you were born,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: like the people who the one that they saw in
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: the theater, because it was a decent little gap between.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: Those two movies. Anyway, all right, let's talk.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: About the interstellar comet, because yes, recently discovered and now
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: they know it's uh, it's it's it's big.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not even the first interstellar comet. So this,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: in fact is also a sequel. I will just say
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: that's true. This is the third in the trilogy, and
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: it's a big one. It's an it's not omuamua. But
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: you know, it's okay, it's all right. It's a good comment. Yep,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: this comet is called three I Atlas, all right, So no, seriously, friends,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: there is a comet zipping through our solar system right
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: now that is from another star system, the only the
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: third object known. And by the way, even though this
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: is not the original or even part two, this is
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: part three, third, third, one of these objects ever discovered.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: This is the biggest one, and that's what this story is.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Check it out on the archive of spaceweather dot com.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Back on July twenty ninth, just a few days ago,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: they ran a great story on that. They have an
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: easy to access archive on spaceweather dot com. Go visit
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: the July twenty ninth edition and read about comet three
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I at lis because using prediscovery images from the Vera
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Ruben Observatory. Now, let's let's unpack that just a little bit.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Prediscovery images means we realize this thing was a comet.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: And then we went back and looked at the archive
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: from other telescopes to see if they had imaged that
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: part of the sky where the comet was discovered, and
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: sure enough, the Verra Rubin telescope, which is one of
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: the most prestigious new instruments coming online here for the
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: astrophysics sciences, the Vera Ruben Observatory had actually imaged that
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: part of the sky, and so they were able to
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: see in the images before that were taken before we
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: even knew this was a comet at all, this object,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: and so with those prediscovery images they were able to
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: get a better look at the actual snowball that makes
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: up what we call the core of that comet, the
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: actual object itself, And so and why can't we see
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: it now? By the way, Well, it's gotten close to
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: the sun, a bunch of that ice is started to melt,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: and now there's a giant cloud around the core of
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: the comet. We call that cloud the coma or the head.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: But so the coma and today is preventing us from
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: getting detailed images, which is why we had to go
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: back and look in the archives. The archive images from
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Vera Ruben showed that this object is seven miles wide,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: which is not small. That's a pretty big hunk of
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: ice and rock out there flying through our Solar system
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: that didn't even come from our solar system. It came
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: from another star system, kind of like a weird plot
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: for a star trek motion picture anyway. So this is
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: the biggest interstellar object known so far, the biggest one
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: that we've ever discovered, hurtling through our solar system in
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: other words, And so there it is seven miles wide
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: for Comet three I atlas. Check it out on spaceweather
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: dot com.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: All right, we've been talking, not just us, but I
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: think you know, social media and the rest have been
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: talking about this asteroid that's looming out there. It's oh
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: my gosh, is it going to come? How close is
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: it going to come to us? Is it going to
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: make impact with the Moon. There's a small chance that
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: it will, and we'll talk about the small chance in
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: a second. But if this asteroid, this is Asteroid twenty
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: twenty four y R four, does in fact make contact
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: with the Moon in thirty two, which is wild to
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: me to think that we're looking at that and possibly
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: setting foot on Mars potentially before that, which is anyways,
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: it's just having to try to process all of that.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: But if it were to happen, something kind of wild
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: might happen.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's not forget. We're going to be on
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: the moon, right, That's the plan is to be on
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: the moon. Itself.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: So you know we're going the motto of the Artemis
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: program is we're going back to stay. So you know,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: we're planning to build a a moon base, right, So
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: if we have a moon base on the Moon in
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: twenty thirty two, asteroid, why are twenty twenty four y
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: R four has a non zero probability of impacting the
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Moon in twenty thirty two. Now listen, if I owed
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: you a dollar and I paid you four cents, you
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: might feel a tad short changed. So there's only a
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: four percent chance that this asteroid will hit the Moon, right,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: So what's happening right now is that scientists around the
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: world are saying, you know, well four percent is not zero.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: And this is a pretty big asteroid. It's about sixty
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: meters wide, so that's you know, what is one hundred
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: and eighty feet across ish, you know, just short of
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: two hundred feet across. So this is a big object
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: and it could, you know, it could do some stuff
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: on the Moon. Well, the University of Western Ontario has
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: come out with a new estimate that if the collision
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: occurs between asteroid twenty twenty four yr four and the
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: lunar surface that given the speed and size of this asteroid,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: it would release energy equivalent to six point five megatons
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: of TNT. That's a good old nuclear blast equivalent right there.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: And if that impact would occur, releasing that much energy,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: it would blast a kilometer wide crater into the Moon.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: That's kind of the size of that one out there
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: in the Arizona Desert called meteor Crater or the Barringer Crater,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: some people know it is the Winslow Crater. Anyway, that
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: big old hole in the ground just outside Winslow, Arizona.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: So if you visited that and stood and looked from
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: one side of that massive crater to the other, you
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: get that visceral sense that, wow, this was a bad day.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: This was a really really big impact. And so Western
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Ontario University, their astronomers there, have said that we're gonna
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: put one in the surface of the Moon about that big.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: If this one, I'm sorry, if this chance it's four
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: and one hundred or one in twenty five actually occurs
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: in twenty thirty two, okay, So quote Paul Wigert, the
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: lead of the study from the University of Western Ontario,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: says this quote up to ten percent of the lunar
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: ejecta could reach Earth within days. The resulting meteor shower
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: could be eye catching with meteor rates orders of magnitude
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: above of usual background rates. So that's science he speak
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: for this. Hey, if this thing hits the Moon, it's
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: gonna throw a bunch of gravel at the Earth and
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: we're gonna have a meteor shower unlike anything you've ever
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: seen before. That's what Paul Weigert meant to say. I
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: just kind of interpreted, got him out of the science
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: he speak mode into the language that I speak, which
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: is science popularization. This is gonna happen. Friends, Well, if
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: that four percent probability of impact occurs, all right. So
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: their simulations then further suggested that meteor storm from the
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: impact of asteroid twenty twenty four y or four on
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: the surface of the Moon could quote go on for days.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: And according to our friends at spaceweather dot com here's
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: the kicker, nearly every visible meteor in the miror in
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: this shower would be a piece of the Moon, so
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: very few pieces of the asteroid, in other words, mostly
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: chunks of the Moon falling in. Well, if those rocks
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: make scott or landfall. I should say, if those rocks
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: may landfall, they're worth a lot because they're chunks of
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: the moon, you see, and that's one of the most
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: valuable materials on the surface of the Earth. It's just
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: interesting to think that is possibility. Again, according to spaceweather
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: dot com, if it's on target, the asteroid could deliver
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: the largest lunar impact in approximately five thousand years, which
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: in the history of the Solar System is like yesterday,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: but in our lifetimes was a long time ago. So again,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: if you like the story, it's interesting, check it out
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: on the July twenty ninth edition of spaceweather dot Com. Again,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: i'm referring you back to that day just a few
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: days ago. Spaceweather dot com had a great day on
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: July twenty ninth.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Coming up after one more quick break. First there was Beetlejuice,
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: and then there was the sequel Beetlejuice Beetlejuice.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: We'll talk about that next.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: I enjoyed the sequel to Beetlejuice entitled Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, but
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: I don't think it was a better sequel than the original.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: And I don't think I'm you know, standing like isolated
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: on an island to say that. So segueing from that
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: into let's talk about the star Beetlejuice. And there's been
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: questions for a long time, Hey, is there a companion
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: star there for Beetlejuice. We might have some evidence to
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: suggest maybe.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: So this is.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: A bit like a sequel if there's like a second one, right.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: I mean they're gonna have to name it if there
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: is one, and I mean naming it Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice seems appropriate.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: I mean it's no Happy Gilmore too.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: But I enjoyed that one, all right.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: So a mysterious companion star to Beetlejuice. Has it been discovered?
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Question mark Check out NASA dot gov for the answer.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: But I'll give you a hint right here. Yes, So
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: there it is. There's the end of the story. No. So,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: the possibility for a companion star to Beatle Juice, a
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: small kind of a long period companion orbiting around the
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: larger star was first suggested back in nineteen oh eight
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: by English astronomer Henry Cozier Plumber, and he suggested based
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: on the observations of some unusual motions and cycles in
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: beetlejuice in terms of it's the way its surface expands
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: and contracts, and just the way it wabbles a little bit,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: and its procession is it has its axial orbital access
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: processing a little bit, and so so, just based on
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: all those weird movements, this English astronomer back in nineteen
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: oh eight suggested, Hey, you know what could be possibly
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: causing that would be the slight tugging of a small
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: companion star. What do we mean by small, Well, the
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: size of our so to us, it's not all that small,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: but compared to beetlejuice, which is about two hundred times
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: the diameter of our sun, it's still pretty small. So anyway,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: that was suggested a long time ago, but it's been
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: difficult to find because that star would be super dim
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: compared to the greater bright light of the star Beetlejuice itself,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: and therefore very hard to find in the glare of
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: that larger parent star. Okay, So, however, astronomers began to
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: get interested in all of this again when an event
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: occurred back in twenty nineteen, which Wes and I discussed
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: on this show. Back the way it's called the Great Diming.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: And the interesting thing about the Great Diming was that
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: beetlejuice for a short period of time started behaving very
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: strangely and got far far dimmer as observed from Earth
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: than it normally is. And we actually thought, we as
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: human beings, actually thought we might be witnessing the end
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: of the life of that great red supergiant star and
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: it could actually erupt in a supernova explosion. Now that's
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: not what happened. What happened instead is it looks as
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: though beetlejuice throughout a whole bunch of material. It ejected
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: a dark cloud of material from the interior of the star.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: But what scientists have suggested since that time. In twenty nineteen,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: they brought back this, They brought back the idea of
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: this companion star and said, what if the gravitational influence
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: of that smaller companion star is causing beetlejuice to behave
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: in these weird ways and causing periodic injections of material
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: from the interior of the star. Okay, so now that
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: we have all of that in place, an astrophysicist, a
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: group of them from the Ames Research Institute in California's
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Silicon Valley published a publication in the Astrophysical Journal Letters
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: entitled Probable direct Imaging dec discovery of the stellar companion
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: of Beetlejuice. And it turns out that a gentleman by
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: the name of Steve Howell, was a senior researcher at
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: NASA Ames Research Center, used the Gemini North telescope in Hawaii,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: that's one of the largest telescopes on Earth, by the way,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: to directly observe this close companion to Beetlejuice. And Howell
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: and his team were able to publish that that observation
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: and you can actually go to NASA dot gov pull
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: up this story and see their photograph, which is, yes,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: a bit enhanced. They did some they did some image processing.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: This is different than artificial intelligence. They're not they're not
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: fabricating data. They're actually, uh enhancing real images, real data.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: And they were able to find a very faint companion
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: star located in the exact predicted position where by simulations
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: by mathematical modeling scientists to predicted this little star to
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: be in its orbit around Beetlejuice if it was the
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: cause of the Great dimming event back in twenty nineteen.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: So a really interesting story there. It's tying up all
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: kinds of loose ends, and it looks like Beetlejuice is
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: indeed a binary star system and does in fact have
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: a small companion star around it. All.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Right, August doesn't just mean Labor Day's coming up. It
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: also means kids are getting back to school. That's a
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: little bit of a shift in gears for you guys
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: at the Coca Cola Space Science Center.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we have seasons, you know, like we have hockey season,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: and we have you know, baseball season, we have back
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: to school season. That's what's going on. Right We're coming
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: out of our summer season, which is kind of our
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: summer camps and special programs that we have in the summertime,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: and we're moving back into the time. We're preparing for
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: armies of invading and highly enthusiastic small children coming back
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: to our Coca Cola Space Science Center to learn all
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: about astronomy, space exploration, and the universe in general. And
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: we can't wait to welcome them again. The bigger groups
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: coming back beginning after Labor Day. So we're in preparations
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: right now. We are trying our very best to get
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: a few new exhibits up and running before the Labor
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Day weekend. We're doing some upgrades on our flight simulators.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: We're doing a brand new Mars Rover terrain with new
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: rovers and new targets and new games to play. We
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: have a couple of Kiosk based simulations that are going
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: to be put up in the gallery. All of these
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: things are going to be brand new for the upcoming
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: school year. And then we're also making preparations within our
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: theater to host the next season of Music under the Dome. Friends,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: if you haven't been down and visited us in a while,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: we have new things. That's the whole important part about this.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Come check us out. I'm gonna go ahead and say
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: we're using August for construction. Come check us out. After
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Labor Day you start put a pin in the calendar. Now,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: come check us out in the early parts of September,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: and many of the things that I'm talking about right
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: now are going to be fully up and running. Uh tip.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: August is kind of a it's a between season period
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: of time that we do a lot of repairs and
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: new installations and things like that. If you come see
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: us in August, We'll welcome you. We love to have
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: you here, but you'll be looking around. You'll see a
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: few construction zones throughout the exhibit gallery of the Space
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Science Center. That's okay, come see us anyway, but for
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: sure come down and see us in September when we'll
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: have many of these new exhibits up and running.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Sean and I thank you for listening, and we'll do
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: this again next week.
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  Speaker 3: eight forty five hundred O d C Columbus dot com.
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  Speaker 3: Get ready for dragon Con twenty twenty five Labor Day
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  Speaker 3: weekend downtown Atlanta with the dragon Con pregame show coming
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  Speaker 3: August twenty third and twenty fourth to a radio station
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  Speaker 3: near you. If you live in the state of Georgia
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  Speaker 3: or one of the states near enough to the state
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  Speaker 3: of Georgia to pick up a radio signal coming from
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  Speaker 3: the network of stations in the state of Georgia that'll
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  Speaker 3: be carrying the show, and there are many in Alabama
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  Speaker 3: and Tennessee and the Carolinas that'll have a chance to
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  Speaker 3: hear it, even down into Florida, or simply listen to
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  Speaker 3: it on the dragon Con Pregame Show podcast. Wherever you
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  Speaker 3: listen to your podcast, yes, where you're listening to this podcast.
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  Speaker 3: You can also find past editions of the dragon Con
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  Speaker 3: Pregame Show podcast with interviews with William Shatner, other stars
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  Speaker 3: from Star Trek, The Walking Dead, the Marvel Cinematic Universe,
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  Speaker 3: many animated stars, some of your favorite Disney stars. Chances
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  Speaker 3: to hear interviews with them, and this year's dragon Con
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  Speaker 3: Pregame Show will drop to the podcast on August twenty third,
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  Speaker 3: and you can hear this year's interviews. It's sponsored by
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  Speaker 3: Columbus State University's Coca Cola Space Science Center, where doctor
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  Speaker 3: Sean Cruisin and I often like to discuss the science
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  Speaker 3: behind the science fiction and the connections between where science
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  Speaker 3: fiction sometimes leads to science science sometimes leads to science fiction.
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  Speaker 3: It's just a weird connection. That's already there. It's built
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  Speaker 3: into it. And I say it's weird, but it's really not.
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  Speaker 3: It makes perfect sense. The two go together very well.
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  Speaker 3: Learn more about the Coca Cola Space Science Center at
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  Speaker 3: CCSSC dot org. Learn more about this year's dragon Con
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  Speaker 3: the website, which is DragonCon dot org