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The Gilded Rage Drops + ❄️ RHOSLC Recap: “Hypocrisy & Bullshit” Reprise & Mary’s Brunch · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Drama, darling Drama, darling Drama, darling.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome in. We are hot off the press today. We've
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  Speaker 2: got a lot coming at you. Salt Lake City recap.
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  Speaker 2: And before we get into that, we have the incredible
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  Speaker 2: producer of the most amazing true crime podcast that has
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  Speaker 2: just dropped called The Gilded Rage with Lauren Malloy and
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  Speaker 2: Aliza Rosen. We have a lot to discuss about that
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  Speaker 2: in and of itself. So let's first welcome our regular co-host,
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  Speaker 2: Emily DeRezis. Hi, Emily. Welcome in.
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  Speaker 3: Guys, hello.
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  Speaker 4: I can barely speak because I've listened to The Guild
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  Speaker 4: of Rage. I'm in my second listen.
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  Speaker 3: Through and I've got a lot of ideas. All right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's good, Emily, because guess who's here with us?
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  Speaker 2: Aliza Rosen is back on the pod.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, welcome in.
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  Speaker 2: Drama darling, how are you?
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  Speaker 3: I am shaking. I am physically shaking.
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  Speaker 5: I'm physically shaking and I'm only on episode two. I,
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  Speaker 5: you guys, I feel like I have been out of my,
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  Speaker 5: you have to understand it's been almost three years of
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  Speaker 5: doing this like on our own.
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  Speaker 3: And now that it's in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So now that it's in.
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  Speaker 5: The world and everyone's listening and, you know, catching up
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  Speaker 5: to what we've been doing.
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  Speaker 3: Dealing with and investigating for three like it is.
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  Speaker 5: The most surreal it's like i said to someone it's
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  Speaker 5: like the longest pregnancy of my.
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  Speaker 2: Yes right it has to be i mean then um
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  Speaker 2: the daily mail huge article on the daily mail just
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  Speaker 2: yesterday uh yeah the day it dropped monday wow yeah
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  Speaker 2: so needless to say um ayr media strikes again i
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  Speaker 2: mean And Aliza, this, I mean, you've done such great
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  Speaker 2: works in the past. And every time you have a
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  Speaker 2: podcast out or a show, what have you, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you come on here, you come on here for fun.
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  Speaker 2: And we talk about it. And I make you do
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  Speaker 2: something in it, too. And I love it. And guess
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  Speaker 2: who else is in it this time?
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  Speaker 3: Holla!
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  Speaker 5: Emily actually has a starring role.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not, Amy, you know.
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  Speaker 5: She does her thing, uncredited, because that's the kind of
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  Speaker 5: A-lister she is. But Emily took over episode two. She
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  Speaker 5: got into character. She took direction with coaching. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: you kind of nailed it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to lie. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I've memorized. I've already memorized some of her lines.
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  Speaker 3: Stop.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm not going to say them. I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to do it.
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  Speaker 1: And then I say them back to Amy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been saying, right.
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  Speaker 2: We've been talking and saying each other's like, re-portraying each
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  Speaker 2: other's roles and we're just you guys it's wild i could.
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  Speaker 3: Cry right now you don't understand how happy this makes
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  Speaker 3: me i.
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  Speaker 2: Don't you know what what we don't understand is how
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  Speaker 2: you know you do this as a true crime producer
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  Speaker 2: of a podcast um how you dig your heels into
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  Speaker 2: something like this where it has lasted three years of
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  Speaker 2: the investigation and And I don't know if the investigation
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  Speaker 2: is over yet. Maybe you'll tell us. Maybe you won't.
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  Speaker 2: But here we have now the podcast that has dropped.
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  Speaker 2: How do you go this long? Like, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you could just give us, you know, an outline
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  Speaker 2: of the process here and then where it stands right now,
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  Speaker 2: because after people listen to this, they're going to have questions.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, hell yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And I hope that they get in touch with us directly, too,
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  Speaker 5: because we want to hear all the questions. Well, how
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  Speaker 5: can they get in touch with you? so with many ways,
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  Speaker 5: we've got an email set up the gilded rage pod
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  Speaker 5: at gmail.com.
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  Speaker 3: We've got a Patreon.
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  Speaker 1: We've got, we've got Instagram.
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  Speaker 3: We've got Tik TOK. The Patreon is the gilded rage.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I just joined actually.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. It's amazing because you can listen to all nine
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  Speaker 5: episodes of the 10 that we're going to drop ad
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  Speaker 5: free right now, like today and people have, and they're
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  Speaker 5: reaching out to us, which is incredible. And then, Lauren
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  Speaker 5: and I, we had so much extra content that we
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  Speaker 5: put out a bonus episode for each episode. So like
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  Speaker 5: literally our first episode bonus episode is longer than our
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  Speaker 5: original episode.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's so cool. There's just so much to talk about. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And we get to hear more from you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because Lauren is like the narrator of this whole thing, correct?
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  Speaker 2: She's the narrator.
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  Speaker 5: But I would say by episode four, Emily can say
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  Speaker 5: I kind of take it over.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you do?
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: You're co-hosting. We're kind of co-hosting. That was never my intention.
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  Speaker 5: I prefer to be the puppet master behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 5: But once you become a part of the investigation, so
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  Speaker 5: at a certain point, this became a real-time investigation. Like
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  Speaker 5: we did our catch-up and kind of started telling the story.
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  Speaker 5: And then all of a sudden it was like a
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  Speaker 5: live investigation. And I'm like, Lauren, we have to record everything.
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  Speaker 5: We have to record all of our Zooms, all of
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  Speaker 5: our phone calls, like everything that's happening in real time.
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  Speaker 3: Because it's unraveling. Wow. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, just now I was on a call with
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  Speaker 5: someone who reached out to us who dated him in college,
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  Speaker 5: the guy that's at the center of the podcast who
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  Speaker 5: we call Jay. And- she had information for us and
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  Speaker 5: she said, you can, you know, you can record the call,
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  Speaker 5: but you can't use my name.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, well, you've listened to the nine episodes.
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  Speaker 5: You know that this is not exploitive and we're just
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  Speaker 5: trying to get information and help law enforcement, et cetera. So,
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  Speaker 5: you know, we are, I think that once you, you know,
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  Speaker 5: do listen to everything, um, you'll see how layered the
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  Speaker 5: story is and there's a lot going on, but everything
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  Speaker 5: does interconnect. And, um, Um, the, and the short answer
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  Speaker 5: to your question, is it unfolding now? Yeah, it still is,
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  Speaker 5: which is why we're holding the 10th episode because, and
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  Speaker 5: this is not to toot.
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  Speaker 3: Our own horn. Like, I'm not like, look at us.
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  Speaker 3: We're so awesome.
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  Speaker 5: But because of the work we did, cause no one
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  Speaker 5: else did it back then.
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  Speaker 3: And frankly, no one else was really doing it today.
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  Speaker 5: When Jason Clark, Sherry's brother, who was the girl that
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  Speaker 5: was found under the bridge in Boulder, um, he reached
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  Speaker 5: out to law enforcement before we ever met him, you know, and,
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  Speaker 5: and asked them to reopen it and they looked at
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  Speaker 5: it and they're basically like, yeah, like all the records
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  Speaker 5: were destroyed. So like, there's just not that, it's a
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  Speaker 5: really weird story and nothing does add up, but not
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  Speaker 5: a lot we could do.
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  Speaker 3: So what Lauren and I did.
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  Speaker 4: Amy, you know, they think that her death is right
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  Speaker 4: now ruled. There's a couple different pieces to this puzzle,
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  Speaker 4: but one of the pieces is a girl that fell
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  Speaker 4: off a bridge. But once you like Sherry quote unquote,
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  Speaker 4: and then, but once you drill down on what seems
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  Speaker 4: to be like, details at the.
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  Speaker 1: Surface, you're like, how did this go down?
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Well, when you say records destroyed, that is not a
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  Speaker 2: good sign.
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  Speaker 5: Especially when it's done not pursuant to department policy.
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  Speaker 2: Like we.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we had one of the things like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I've come on before to talk about other shows that.
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  Speaker 3: I've done, TV and pod. And as a documentarian, if
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  Speaker 3: I may for a moment. Please do, please.
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  Speaker 2: You may.
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  Speaker 5: Indeed.
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  Speaker 3: You may. Your honor.
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  Speaker 2: Your honor, if I may.
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  Speaker 5: If you pray for the things we have, like the
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  Speaker 5: two boxes of just treasure trove of evidence.
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  Speaker 3: We've got police reports. We've got depositions. We've got... Interrogatories.
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  Speaker 3: We've got pictures.
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  Speaker 5: We've got, you know, memos, screenshots. Literally, Heather Gay would
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  Speaker 5: be having a blast right now with the amount of
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  Speaker 5: receipts I have. If you wouldn't mind just giving a
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  Speaker 5: very quick, brief outline or description about what the Gilded
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  Speaker 5: Rage is all about.
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  Speaker 2: If you want.
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  Speaker 5: This is going to be like the montage of Angie
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  Speaker 5: telling Mary about the girl's trip. You guys are going
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  Speaker 5: to be like, hypocrisy and bullshit.
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  Speaker 2: Bullshit.
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  Speaker 3: Bullshit. By the way, honestly, an apt title. Betrayal. An
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  Speaker 3: apt title.
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  Speaker 5: The Gilded Rage, also AKA hypocrisy and bullshit.
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  Speaker 3: Bullshit. Bullshit. Manipulation.
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  Speaker 2: Manipulation.
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  Speaker 5: Manipulation. I feel manipulated by this whole thing. So deflection
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  Speaker 5: is just too much.
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  Speaker 3: So, all right, I'm going to do this.
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  Speaker 5: This is like, you know, I have been pitching shows
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  Speaker 5: for 20 years and like, it's all about the elevator pitch. Like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you got to just hook them with the line,
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  Speaker 5: get them. Like, I remember when I was at South, I.
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  Speaker 2: Remember when I was at South by Southwest, honey, when
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  Speaker 2: you were a budding documentarian.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: I saw blank and I saw, and I saw Ben Affleck.
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  Speaker 5: I literally was in the elevator, just me and Kara Swisher.
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  Speaker 5: And my series Spy High with Amazon was premiering there.
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  Speaker 5: And I was like, actually, this would be perfect for
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  Speaker 5: Kara Swisher because she's like a technology.
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  Speaker 3: That's what she does.
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  Speaker 5: So this is all about like they were spying on
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  Speaker 5: the kids through the laptops. So I had to, this
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  Speaker 5: is the funniest thing, because I had to literally pitch
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  Speaker 5: her in the elevator.
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  Speaker 3: So it was an actual elevator pitch for like 30 seconds.
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  Speaker 3: And I did it. I was like, okay, so here's
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  Speaker 3: the story. Okay, sounds great. Here's my email.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, bye.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: All this is to say, I have not perfected the
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  Speaker 5: elevator pitch. Well, let's have you do it. Can I
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  Speaker 5: hand it over to Emily? Because I feel like Emily,
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  Speaker 5: as an outsider, although now I feel like she's an insider,
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  Speaker 5: could sum this up. I, by my own admission, because
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  Speaker 5: usually when we do these podcasts, just to be clear.
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  Speaker 5: I own a company. I'm an executive producer. I have
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  Speaker 5: producers and writers and editors under me. I know the
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  Speaker 5: story really well.
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  Speaker 3: I get involved. I edit scripts. I edit cuts.
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  Speaker 5: But I am not the primary person who's project, you know,
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  Speaker 5: who is on boots.
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  Speaker 3: On the ground, doing the interviews, writing the scripts.
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  Speaker 2: This I was.
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  Speaker 5: So as far as being able to step back and
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  Speaker 5: do a great job, you know, I haven't figured that
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  Speaker 5: out yet.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going to hand it to my agent, Emily.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to try and I don't want to bore people.
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  Speaker 3: In the early 80s, with old money, a what? No,
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  Speaker 3: this is so perfect. She loves the 80s.
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  Speaker 4: In the early 80s, with old money, we see what
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  Speaker 4: is now the Brat Pack of Rhode Island, the St.
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  Speaker 4: Elmo's Fire guys, and they're assholes. And one of them
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  Speaker 4: is potentially getting away with sexual assaults from Rhode Island
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  Speaker 4: to Colorado. Now he gets to Colorado and there's a murder.
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  Speaker 4: It's now 2026 and he's living his life and all
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  Speaker 4: these women in his wake are facing just devastation on
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  Speaker 4: different levels. And now we're going to find them.
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  Speaker 1: That's too long.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: That was amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Good job.
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  Speaker 5: That was actually a very interesting way. It was totally
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  Speaker 5: different than how I would have... But now you're making
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  Speaker 5: me like, wait, maybe that is the better pitch. I
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  Speaker 5: got to get my arms around this one, guys.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't want the brat pack to go down
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  Speaker 4: for it.
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  Speaker 5: Totally.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, one at a time, babe. One at a time.
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  Speaker 5: And I also want to make the distinction because I'm
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  Speaker 5: glad you brought that up because there are a lot of...
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  Speaker 5: I'm close to the age of all the people involved
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  Speaker 5: in this story. So I'm, as Heather McDonald said, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: we did Heather's juicy crimes yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: She said, I'm 50 something. I said, I'm 50 something too. So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we all grew up, like we all went
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  Speaker 3: to college in the eighties and stuff. And there were
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  Speaker 3: tons of douchebags. I dated many of them, but this
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  Speaker 3: is a different level. This is not just an asshole.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like this is a different
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  Speaker 3: level of predator.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Dangerous.
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  Speaker 3: I just want to be clear. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Dangerous.
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  Speaker 3: So, Allegedly. Allegedly. Right. But I want to say that...
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what I want to say.
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  Speaker 5: I want to say that it's a complex story because the,
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  Speaker 5: you know, we end episode one and I won't give
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  Speaker 5: away the spoiler by saying there are no perfect victims.
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  Speaker 5: And so it turns out that the woman that brings
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  Speaker 5: us in the match that lights the fire, if you will,
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  Speaker 5: her name is Penny McGee. She's a very complicated person
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  Speaker 5: with troubles of her own. And that's just an incredible
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  Speaker 5: bombshell that we find out.
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  Speaker 4: Why does she have those troubles? I mean, this is
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  Speaker 4: where I get back to you. There's no perfect victim
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  Speaker 4: because Penny, something fucking happened to them.
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  Speaker 5: Right. Well, and that's why, like, the larger picture here,
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  Speaker 5: and it's obviously so relevant today with everything going on
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  Speaker 5: in the culture, especially on college campuses, is, like, nobody's
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  Speaker 5: really looking at the bigger picture. Not like, oh, what
• 12:04
  Speaker 5: did she text?
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  Speaker 3: What did she say? Why didn't she report it?
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  Speaker 5: It's that trauma equals trauma.
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  Speaker 3: People hurt people, hurt people. Like, you know, like, it's all... Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: People, you know, it's, it's even the Sandra Birchmore case.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys are looking at that
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  Speaker 5: at all. And it's going on in, of course, where else?
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  Speaker 3: Massachusetts. It's a long thing.
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  Speaker 5: But anyway, it's like, this is a girl with a
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  Speaker 5: very hard life who was groomed by all these guys
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  Speaker 5: from a young age.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like, well, why was she vulnerable to these guys? Well,
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  Speaker 3: look at her childhood.
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  Speaker 5: Like everything is connected and. it's very hard to find
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  Speaker 5: a perfect victim. And that's why. And so anyway, I
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  Speaker 5: just think it tells a macro, a micro story. And
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  Speaker 5: our goal is justice. It's always been our goal. And
• 12:47
  Speaker 5: we try to be as journalistic about it. We don't
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  Speaker 5: approach it as like 60 minutes. I mean, I happen
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  Speaker 5: to have a master's in journalism, but I'm a producer.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not a journalist.
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  Speaker 5: So We try to give the facts and obviously it's
• 12:59
  Speaker 5: been legally vetted up and down. So there's a lot
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  Speaker 5: of things we can't say and we have to be
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  Speaker 5: really careful. Like I said, we're not using his real name,
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  Speaker 5: but we believe there are more victims. We want those
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  Speaker 5: victims to come forward. But obviously we're also producing entertainment, right?
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  Speaker 5: Like not exploitive entertainment, but we're telling a story that
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  Speaker 5: has to keep you hooked. But it has a purpose.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I appreciate about this.
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  Speaker 2: And the purpose is, like you said, it couldn't be
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  Speaker 2: a better time because now is the time and it
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  Speaker 2: should have always been. but to give women empowerment and
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  Speaker 2: bravery to speak out for something that may have happened
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  Speaker 2: a long time ago, and or for something they may
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  Speaker 2: have seen or heard about. It's never too late. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that that's an important message for for women
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  Speaker 2: to hear and for any victim for that matter. So
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  Speaker 2: that's why I feel like I know that Aliza, you've
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  Speaker 2: always championed victims, You've always championed that above the entertainment
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  Speaker 2: aspect of it because you really are fighting for the
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  Speaker 2: justice of the people.
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  Speaker 3: So this is where.
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  Speaker 2: I think that this is such a, it's just a
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  Speaker 2: bizarre and fascinating story. And I haven't even scratched the surface,
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  Speaker 2: but it is called The Gilded Rage. And the first
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  Speaker 2: two episodes are on anywhere you can listen to podcasts.
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  Speaker 2: You can get that there. Like Aliza said, if you
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  Speaker 2: want to listen to all the episodes that have dropped, nine,
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  Speaker 2: excluding the 10th right now, you can listen ad-free over
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  Speaker 2: on their Patreon. Join the Patreon.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I swear we're giving you guys so much good stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm in there.
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  Speaker 3: I'm listening there.
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  Speaker 1: In my second listen through, I've listened to the bonus episodes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Emily, if you could just turn off the Patreon
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  Speaker 2: in the background, that'd be great.
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  Speaker 3: I need to listen to the bonus ep again.
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  Speaker 2: But it is the Gilded Rage, patreon.com slash the Gilded Rage.
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  Speaker 2: So head on over there.
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  Speaker 5: I have a new respect for what you kiddos do.
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  Speaker 5: Like all this recording, I'm exhausted.
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: Us?
• 14:57
  Speaker 5: Us.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: You're over there fucking.
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: Emily, let's see. Can I? Thank you, Aliza. I thank you.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. She's had three years.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: She's fine, Emily.
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: But all the like.
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: Recording stuff and you know i luckily have an amazing
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: social media woman helping i mean i could never do
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: it she's handling helping us with the patreon but it
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: is a lot of work you guys i get it
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: and i am.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: Really here to speak to justice as well when it
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: comes to uploading and editing and recording and just like
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: neon lights in the back.
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: You know well wait a minute hold on because amy
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: does a lot of work That's what I'm saying. And
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: I came to the expert herself, Miss Amy Phillips, about
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: the Patreon, what, six months ago or something.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know. How do you do it?
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: Explain everything. Explain Patreon to me.
• 15:49
  Speaker 6: Oh, God.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: Because I was just like clueless. Obviously, I'm a subscriber,
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: but I don't know how. And actually, they make it
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: really easy. Actually, it's very easy.
• 15:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: It's not as intimidating as a platform as you think
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: to be a member and also to be a creator.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: And that's what I love about it. And it's getting
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: better and better every day. Yeah. Have you done quips yet?
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: I was just going to say, I can't wait for
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: our first quips.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's great. Because that'll be really nice for
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: the insiders of Patreon who like true crime, and they'll
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: be able to see that if they're not subscribing, and
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: then they can hear about it that way. Okay, so, God, Aliza, congratulations.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: We're really happy for you and your huge project that
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: you've just undertook and that will continue to go, I
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: wonder for how long. But three years in, congratulations.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Wonder for how long.
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: It will never end. This is just pulling the first string.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: We are going to take them all down. This is action,
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: not entertainment.
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: I love that Emily's become part of the team because
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: now I can.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: Honestly. No, we need to bring it all down. We
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: need to burn it all down, babes.
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: I appreciate both your support.
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: I appreciate you both being in it with your incredible
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: voices and just being my cheerleader and being the most
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: hilarious people that I love to listen to every week.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: So love you, love you, love you.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: We love you too.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: I have to tell you guys about something that's happening
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: in my house right now that's giving me so much joy.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: tin can. Have you heard of it? It's a phone,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: a landline phone.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: So my daughter has wanted a tin can for, I
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: am not exaggerating, about a year because some of her
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: friends have them. She's been asking about it. I've been
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: putting it off.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Well, guess what?
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: We finally got one and you guys, she absolutely loves it.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: And I think I might love it even more because
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: it's If you haven't seen Tin Can yet, it's basically
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: this adorable retro landline phone for kids. No screen, no texting,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: no algorithms. It's literally just a phone being a phone,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: which apparently is now revolutionary. I had to teach my
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: daughter how to pick up the phone and say hello.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: And also how to leave a voicemail. Like you guys,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: it's amazing. And here's the part that I was not expecting.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: I'm watching my daughter experience all these little things that
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: were such a huge part of my childhood. The phone
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: rings like a phone on the hook. She hears it.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: She goes running to answer it because she has no
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: idea who it is. It could be one of her friends.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: It could be one of her family members. She's not sure.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: But do you remember that? You just answer the phone.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: And the other day I looked over and she was
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: talking on her tin can, twirling herself up in the
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: phone cord. You guys, I almost died. I was like, wow,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: that's me. It is the cutest, strangest little time warp.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: And this is my iPad loving child, okay? Who knew
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: that a retro phone with a cord would be this exciting?
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: And what I love is she's actually talking to people.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: She's been calling her grandparents more and having these real
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: conversations with them. And she gets that little bit of independence. Well,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I still get the parental controls. With Tin Can, kids
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: can only call or receive calls from people on the
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: approved contact list. Calling other Tin Cans and 911 is
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: always free with no subscription required. And with the party
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: line plan, kids can also call pre-approved non-Tin Can members.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: So grandma, grandpa, mom, cell, whoever you approve. They have
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: speed dial buttons, an answering machine, which I predict will
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: eventually become a source of absolute chaos with their friends.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: And they come in these amazing, cool colors that actually
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: feel like something kids would pick for themselves. What's old
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: is new again, and our kids... are enjoying it. So
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: even if you don't have kids, tell your friends. Tell
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: your friends who have kids. If you want to give
• 19:56
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• 20:03
  Speaker 2: $ 10 off your first order. exclusive for my listeners. That's
• 20:07
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• 20:11
  Speaker 2: use my link, you're supporting my show. So thank you
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: for that tin can.com slash drama. All right, so why
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: don't we get into Salt Lake City? I just have
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: one question. Um, Mary, when she decided in life that
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: the people that she would trust in the most and
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: that would support her the most, among others, excluding the
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: church friends, excluding anyone else, would be the real housewives,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: and she's disappointed, should we have pulled her aside before
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: to tell her that was inevitable? Should we have pulled
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: her aside? I just feel bad because nothing these gals
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: are going to do around Mary is going to be
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: good enough, and they're just going to bring her down.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: And I did.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: They can't keep it together, even for the sake of Mary.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: And she's come out of the house at least two
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: or three times on this episode, God love her. And
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: here they are fighting and just manipulation, hypocrisy, and bullshit.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Poor Mary.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Poor Mary. She was spreading shit by the end of
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: the episode at the dinner.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: That was so hard. Guys, that's the hard thing.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: Like, I think we need a disclaimer, which is like, It's,
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: she's put us in a tough position here and they,
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: she's put the ladies in a tough position. And listen,
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: like my heart breaks in half for Mary. Obviously this
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: is so horrible, but you're.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Still coming on the show and doing the job of
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: a housewife. So- Yeah. It's kind of like, what are
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: we supposed to do here?
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Just all get along and- I know.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: You know, kumbaya. We're still on a horrible, crazy show.
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: It is.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: But I do like the angle of just Mary coming
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: in and being like, you disappoint.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Me, all of you.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: She's like, Whitney, you need to pull your shit together.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yes.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Somebody has to say it.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: They're all like- I do love it.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Around the table. That's the thing.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: None of them can talk back to her. She kind
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: of has them where she wants them now. I know.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: When you say to a woman who's lost her child,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: like you cannot say anything.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: You better not. And in fact, so the fact, the
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: funny thing is, is that at that dinner, uh, well,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: a lunch, actually the lunch with the flowers where she
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: was like, lower the flowers and like, okay. And I'm like,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: how are you going to lower the flowers right now?
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm saying? I didn't get that either.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: It was on a level, but they did it.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Did they really? Because I looked. Did it look lower?
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, she was pleased with the levels.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I don't think they did it, but I hope they...
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I was blown away. I thought, this is how professionals
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: handle people who have high demands. They just agree.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Maybe they didn't do anything.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: And then they just hope that they'll forget because inevitably
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: they'll probably forget. Because I'm looking at the flowers and
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I'm going, how would you have lowered those? Because would
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: you have time to cut each individual... you know, bouquet
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: or rather arrangement.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: No.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: I just assumed they were on like levels and then
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: they took a level out. That's what I thought happened.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: And then I just moved on. See how I'm moving
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: my desk?
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Like a standing desk?
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: That's amazing. And now I'm moving down. Do you notice
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: I'm changing my levels? No problemo.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: That's why she's the centerpiece. You're the centerpiece, Elisa.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, God, that was a great visual. It's like somebody
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: doing the elevator when they're just like, I'll be right back.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Or the escalator. Maddie does that a lot.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Often can be seen in the back of the Patreon
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: videos doing that. She's so cute. But, yeah, I did
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: love Mary coming in and just having a boss bitch
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: brunch and, you know, Referencing herself as the matriarchal elephant
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: that needs to get these little elephants in line. So
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I was very happy about it. And I was also
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: kind of like, in the confessional, when it comes to clothes,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: can we talk about Ashley Kwai's very wild- YMCA?
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this- Her look is so great. It honestly might
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: be crazy. Guys, is it the craziest look we've ever seen?
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, remember when- It's up there. Yeah, it is definitely
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: up there.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: I couldn't think of like, I mean, we've had some
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: wild ones, but that one might, every time she came on,
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: I was just too lazy to pick up my phone
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: and take a picture and send it to you guys.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: But I wanted to be like, I have never laughed.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: She could be telling the most horrible, like saddest story now,
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: and I'm just cracking up. And then when she's so serious,
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: because the producer's like, Well, did you say that about Meredith?
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, I just, oh. And so somebody's
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: caught wearing like black latex and a chauffeur's hat. It's
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: like takes on a whole new meaning of entertainment.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: That was so good.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Because it's so costumey.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: It's like.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: You know, Erika Jayne comes in with some wild looks,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: but this just feels on a different, it just feels
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: like a costume.
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: I don't understand the choice.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: It is Halloween.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Do you remember when Dorit and PK were in a
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: like a dual confessional and they look kind of.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Like Bugs, Clyde, Bonnie and Clyde.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Bonnie and Clyde.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Like it was Bugsy and Claudette. Claudette.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Claudette Colbert.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: Do you guys, when I look at Clyde, do you
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: guys see Katherine Heigl a little bit?
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Oh. I mean, just the face. Sure. Yeah, a little bit.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: I can see it in the lips.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel it.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't understand.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: I think why, I don't know if she'll get a
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: second season, but I think we need her to have
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: a second season.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Because right now she's not, she hasn't agreed to take
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: down Meredith.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: I only say she won't be back for a second
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: season because I don't think she needs the money one
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: and two. I don't think she likes this. She doesn't
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: seem to be enjoying it at all.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Judging on that confessional, she's having a blast.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the part she likes, I think. Yeah, that's
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: the part she likes.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: I think she likes the outfits and like the idea.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Not the being in it. I mean, this is great.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: It's gladiators. Like these girls, I mean, they are, I
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: think they're the wildest cast we've ever had. I really do.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Even without Jen Shah.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: Yes, that's the craziest part.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the surprise.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like they've only ratcheted it up more.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: When they were at that bar and they are in
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: when they were still in San Francisco and they're fighting,
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: but then they make up, but they're all like agreeing
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: to like, I guess that happens, but I've never seen
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: it in real time where it's like, oh, wow. We're
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: not fighting anymore. Everything's cool. We're just putting that on pause.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: We're freezing that and we're like hanging.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: And that's vintage New York. Don't you think? Doesn't that
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: remind you of old Roni?
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just happened last night on Roni where Aaron's
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: like flashing everybody out.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that too.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: It's happening.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: I love it. What has happened?
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: I like to settle things in some way. I don't
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: like to be like, Wait.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: You guys can freeze this shit?
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Like, I don't understand.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Is it sort of like, they feel like they're at work,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: and then they put that aside, and they're just able
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: to kind of compartmentalize? I mean, it is kind of amazing, but,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, so be it. Wait, I want to go
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: back to the brunch, because a lot happened here, alright?
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I just want to kind of go down the line. So,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Bronwyn is very hurt because of the hypocrisy and bullshit. And, um,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: And so we finally discuss this, all right?
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: Barely.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: And Meredith was like, this wasn't aimed at Bronwyn. And basically,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: she finally gives Bronwyn an apology. But Lisa is like,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: After Bronwyn's like, well, I think you're embarrassed. You embarrassed
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: yourselves publicly and embarrassed your children and then your whole
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: line of Mormons, and you're embarrassing. And Lisa's like, I
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: don't feel embarrassed at all. She shouldn't, because it's a hit.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Hypocrisy and Bullshit is a hit song. And so now
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: at this point, Meredith, the only reason why she gave
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: that apology is because she wanted to move on to.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Nail Whitney that's the only did everybody see that she's
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: like I am very sorry very much so about how
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: that took place moving on to larger and bigger things
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: and then she just slams Whitney with like constructing a
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: 50 year old group of women why that had why
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: are we naming numbers that's what I want to know
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: 50 something Yeah.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: I think it was part of the story to Kwai
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: is what I get is like, Kwai was whatever she
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: relayed to Meredith.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: But I, I, you know, I don't know. I love
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: the chart and the graphic that we got though.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: That was helpful. Remember that?
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Did you play guess who with Maddie? Like when
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: you turn over the, it looked like guess who? Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: That's hilarious.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: But like, here's what's so funny is that whatever Whitney
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: said that Ashley said about Meredith was so not the smoking.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: gun that she thought it was going to be. It
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: was the lightest shade. It was kind of like, oh,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I'll come on the show.
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: I can handle her.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: It was like so nothing.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Sick burn.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: By the way, I just want to say an aside.
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: I thought Whitney looked amazing at the brunch.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Am I crazy?
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: No, she looked fantastic. Her makeup was flawless. Her makeup
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: was flawless.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: Her fashion can sometimes be crazy.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: It was so polished. I love the gray shirt under
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: the gray plate. I thought she looked like a boss lady.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: She did look like a boss lady.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I loved her at the end, too.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: No glam. I mean, she had a little glam. I
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: love that.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: With her little red nose. She looks so cute.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: I love that. I love that.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I did. I mean, that's what we want. Like, that's
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: the thing. I don't, we, they all are so glammed up.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: So when you do get these moments, it does, it
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: does make it feel more real.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: That's my jump scare. You're like, what?
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: She's going through something legit.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: She didn't have time to put on makeup or she did.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: And then she cried it off right before I got there. Like,
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: I was like, this is, real Whitney, and I'm appreciating it.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a very productive meeting. I was happy
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: to see that they were able to get to the
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: other side of it. And they felt like their friendship
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: is worth fighting for. And then they agreed to keep
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: their friendship separate. Because Kwai's not stupid. She's not just
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: going to be blindly loyal to Whitney. And she's like,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: I'm going to make this clear. I will be friends
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: with Meredith. And I will be friends with hypocrisy. You know,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be friends with that and bullshit.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: Because I am also realizing on this episode too, that
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: none of that, besides Meredith and Lisa, like no one
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: is loyal to each other on this cast.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: It's it, it makes me so uncomfortable actually, because even
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: Angie and Mary, like I, do you guys feel like
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: Mary actually hates Angie? Well, I mean, I didn't until
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: we saw the previews for later on this season. Like
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: Mary's done with Angie later.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: No, but the hostility. Like, she just hates... She's so irritated. Like,
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: I notice she's so much nicer to the older... To
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: the other women now.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: The 50-somethings. But she is. Like, she's like, Meredith, Lisa.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: She's like, Angie, shut up.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: Angie, why are you doing that? Angie, why did you
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: wear a tie? Angie, why are you pouring champagne into
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: a tea? Those were some valid questions. I didn't... No,
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: even when she's like, I'm going through a hard time
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: with Sean, whatever she says, she's like, what is it?
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Just say it. Like, she has no.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: patience for Angie whatsoever I feel like she also.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: Like kind of outed that whole affair or whatever Angie's
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: going through I was like when at that dinner like
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: no one else at the table knew about Sean and
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: Angie I guess and Mary's.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Like say it say it say what's going on and
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Angie was.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: Like oh I didn't pick up on that under the
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: table I bet like.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Are you talking about this episode right.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about at the end of this episode when
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: they're at the dinner at the gossip place or whatever.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, at drinks or whatever, the four of them.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Mary's like, what's going on? How's Sean?
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: How is Sean? Please tell me how, like with everybody.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: And Angie's like, he's good. He is fine.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: And Mary's just going for it.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Well, she doesn't know the truth, though.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm wondering. She knows a little bit.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: She's picking up that it's a weird vibe.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Something's up.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Because Angie said, I don't want to bother Mary with
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: any of this stuff, babe.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: But at the top of the episode when Mary's there...
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: And when it's just those two, I thought Angie said, yeah.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: You know, whatever.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Like she gave a vibe that it wasn't great, I thought.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: And then we get to the end and Mary's like
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: ripping off the bandaid. Like what's going on? That's what
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: I thought was happening.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: God, I don't know. I didn't read it that way,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: but I could have missed it. I was so distracted
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: by the dishes and the champagne and the teapot that
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: if she did say something to her there, I did
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: not hear it. Because I heard that. She was like,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: I don't want.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Mary to carry this. I want to just pretend. She
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, you know, we're just doing a lecture stuff.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: She was trying to gloss over it.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: But Mary knew. Who knows? Mary, that's a thing.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: And you never know what they're saying off camera and
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: what Mary's heard on the streets. Because wait, did I
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: hear you guys, this never made it to my algorithm,
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: but did I hear you guys talk last week about
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: the streets were saying he was having an affair?
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Am I crazy? Yeah. No, I mean, that was, that was,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: that was in the news.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Why did I miss that?
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: So we know who it is?
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: A gal at the salon.
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: Ooh.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Are they still together?
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Allegedly. I don't know.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: I hope not.
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: Babe, it's terrible, babe.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: I hate it.
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: And I got this champagne and this teapot over at HomeGoods.
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: And I'm just putting shit in other shit just to
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: figure this out. I'm telling you that I washed these dishes, babe,
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: but I didn't.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. When you put those at the dishwasher, that
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: label comes off a little.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: They're not brand new like that.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: It comes off a little.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: It comes off a little bit.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: It's going to be a little bit waterlogged. And if
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: anyone's going to clock it, it's Mary. She is all
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: over that. She's like, this is 2003.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: When she turned the dishes over to get the pottery
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: mark on the back, I was like, thank you for
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: doing that.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: I always want to see what the dishes are.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Because I think those are the Williams-Sonoma dishes. The Peter Rabbit,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: the Beatrix Potter.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, the other Peter Rabbit. Yes, yes, yes.
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: Those are only $ 4. 99 a plate? That seems cheap to Williams-Sonoma. Well,
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: then I'm like, she got those all the same.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: $ 14.
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: 99.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I didn't think that she got them.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm willing to die on this hill.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: No, I'm kidding.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: You know what, guys? I think I just found my
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: new investigation. Yeah, let's go. I'm going to find out
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: what plates they were and how much they cost.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Well, I got a twist for you, okay?
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: That Wedgwood and Spode used to do a Peter Rabbit line?
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Spoiler alert, Emily.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: I'm out of my league.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: So I went on Facebook and Marketplace because I wanted
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: to match my little Wedgwood Peter Rabbit dish with a
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: couple other dishes for around Easter time. And I ordered
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: one off of Facebook Marketplace. And wait, that's not the story.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Can we speed this? I'm like Mary listening to Angie
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: It's going to slow down.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Where are the editors? Please do a dissolve into the
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: next thing.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: Carol.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: So I ordered this off of somewhere. It was sent
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: to me. I opened up the cup, the dish and
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: the bowl and the cup was broken.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Nope.
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: Broken.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: You got to pack that right.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: And it was not packed well at all. It was
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: an accident waiting to happen. Oh, it was off of Etsy.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: And so I was like, babe, it's broken. And it
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: doesn't look like it was really well packed. I'm not
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: going to lie. She's like, oh, no. It was supposed
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: to be packed in all this stuff. And I was like, well,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: in there. And guess what? I didn't have the time,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: the place, or the energy to get any kind of
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: refund because just like anything else, I don't have it
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: in me to go to the second location, okay? So
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I took the loss, even though she was like, here's
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: what you got to do to get a refund from Etsy.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's not happening, babe. I'll take the loss.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: They literally, that's what they count on. That's what they
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: count on. Really? Well, as someone that sells.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: teacups on Etsy, I will.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: Also tell you that what people do is if they're
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: a popular pattern, they will order them to do tile
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: and mosaics, like break them.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: So I always, if it breaks.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: Which knock on wood has not happened, but if it
• 37:35
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• 37:38
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• 37:43
  Speaker 4: The broken glass has a value to it. The broken
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: china has a value to it.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: So when you're like, oh, please, yeah, keep it. Here's
• 37:51
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• 37:52
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• 37:57
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• 37:59
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• 44:46
  Speaker 5: No, but I feel like this is a world I
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: would like to get into and start collecting things, but
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't even know where to start.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: But I'm into that. I love home decor.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: You're saving the world, Aliza.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: You're fine.
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: I know, but I feel like I should have a hobby.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: This feels right. All right.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Speaking of hobbies, Brittany takes the flowers.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Are we not calling her Brittany? Oh, yeah. I forgot.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Let's call her Brittany. So, Britannia Encyclopedia... Takes all the
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: flowers from the event and then goes, I guess without permission,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: and then goes and like re-gifts them to nursing homes,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: which I thought was a very nice gesture. However, you
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: do want to get, you know, permission from the host
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: if you can take them. Posting on social media, you know,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: with these people. And not one person had a problem
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: accusing Britannia.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: That was wild.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Going and trying to take advantage of these old people
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: to be put in their will. Not one person could
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: hold their tongue.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Not one.
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: No one is afraid of Brittani and they won't be.
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: And that was shocking.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: I think it's.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: Really wrong of them to accuse her of that because
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: I think what she's actually doing is trying to get
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: their home so she can sell them.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: How dare they accuse her of that when all she
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: wants is the house?
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Now we're talking. Deeds.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Who wouldn't try to get it on the MLS?
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Hypocrisy and bullshit. Deeds. Deeds.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: I hadn't thought of that, of course.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: Here I'm thinking like that, oh my gosh, she's got
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: these people she goes to visit and now she's not
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: going to visit them anymore because this show's going to
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: come out, this episode, and then she's going to be like, oh,
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: I can't visit them.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: This is going to look like I'm trying to take
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: their money.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Well, she, I mean, Bronwyn has been giving Brittany credit
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: for being nice to her and sticking up for her. Meanwhile,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: there's this underlying thing of Brittany constantly asking the questions like, oh,
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: you sold your house? Did you sign the deed? I
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: am so over. Why do people think Bronwyn is hiding
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: so much? I mean, am I among the few that don't.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Fully get that vibe?
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, the necklace scam, when she tried to fool
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: everybody that Todd was giving her that really expensive necklace
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: for their anniversary in Palm Springs, that was definitely a
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: red flag. But am I to take that example and
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: now just be like, she's completely full of shit with
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: everything she does? I mean, do you guys trust Bronwyn?
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: I do, but I think I'm a, you don't, Aliza.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Aliza doesn't.
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: Nope.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: I sure don't. hypocrisy and bullshit. No, I think she's
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: a grifter. Allegedly.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: She gives me major grifter vibes. I think she's a
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: great housewife, but oh yeah. No, I think they know
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: way more from the blogs. No, but I really think
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: there's a lot going on there, you guys. I think
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: we haven't even scratched the surface.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: I can't wait.
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I do. The whole daughter and the guy
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: that died. And there was a lot more there that
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: I think that Lisa didn't say.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: I just, I don't know, guys. I'm just saying like,
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: keep her on my screen. Don't put her in prison.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: But yeah.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: There's a lot. I think she's a huge liar. Huge.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: But to be fair, they're all liars. They're all liars. Well, yeah.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's true. But Lisa calling her out at
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: the end being like, Bronwyn, everything is a ruse. And
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Bronwyn is a PR move. The PR move is interesting.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: I don't think it is, personally.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: I think that it's a stupid move because she's flaunting
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: him about the country and actually worldwide. And she hasn't
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: even like settled her divorce yet to Heather's point. Yeah. I,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: you know, if anything is a ruse, it's Brandon taking
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: advantage of her. I think she's just having a good time.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: What do you guys think?
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: I think Bronwyn's fatal flaw is that she's too wrapped
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: up in appearances and doesn't maybe get that there's consequences
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: to some of those choices. And so she will bend
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: the truth or, uh, Do something like this, like have
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: Todd pay for this guy's trip to Florida or whatever,
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: just because it looks good and it's a great, like,
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: it's just all a good look on the surface, not realizing, like,
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: it's not good underneath. And I think that's where she keeps,
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: getting into trouble.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Same with the necklace. Yeah, she's really performative.
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: Even before she went on Housewives, she was posting on
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: those stories every five seconds.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: And she was nobody.
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: I guess some people knew her, but Christian Siriano was
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: already dressing her before she was even a housewife. I
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: think she's a deeply, deeply insecure child who.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Let's be honest. Muzzy's not exactly, you know, the warm
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: touch of a mommy that we would want.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: She destroyed her.
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: Sorry.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: And then she went to an abusive husband, not physically,
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: but I think he was extremely controlling and, you know,
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: not nice.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: But I think he provided a certain life for her
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: and Gwen. So I think she doesn't know who she is.
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And I think she's feeling free and excited that,
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: first of all, she's now on the successful show and
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: she's got the middle snowflake. So as far as Brandon goes,
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: I feel like it's a little of both.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: I'm sure she's into him. He's adorable.
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: Oh, and by the way, I did channel behind the
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: scenes to find out. I was like, Brandon's gay, right?
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: And this person was like, actually, no.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh. Oh, you thought he was gay?
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't get that vibe.
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: You did?
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: No.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I, I mean, I could see either way, honestly,
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: but I, it.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Seems like it was like a, like a gay bestie,
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: but apparently not. And apparently they were really having fun,
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: but listen, I'm, I love Bronwyn as a housewife.
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: Like I think she's fantastic, but I don't believe anything
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: that comes out of her mouth.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Just like, I don't believe most of what comes out
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: of Lisa's mouth or Heather's mouth or Brittany's mouth. Like
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: that's what keeps us going in Salt Lake. Yeah.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, we, we aren't, Two episodes from Lisa
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: telling us she was at the Academy Awards.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: So it's like, whatever.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: Brock was saying. I was. It was in my living room.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: What did you make of that? I'm curious. Like, Aliza,
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: what is she talking about?
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: She went to a party. I went to this. That's
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: what I think it is.
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: No, you guys, literally, like a few years ago, I
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: don't know why I went to this. Someone dragged me.
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: I went to a viewing party of the Oscars at
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: the Academy Museum, or one of those, or the TV Guild,
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: something like that, like on the roof is this fancy party.
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: I'm like, so we're just sitting on couches, eating appetizers,
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: watching the Oscars, and I can't.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: Really hear anything. Why am I here? I want to
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: be in my PJs on my couch. Yeah. So I
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: think that's what it was. I do too. Okay.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: We're all in agreement there.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: So getting back to how pissed off Bronwyn was about
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: hypocrisy and bullshit, which was so.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: I don't think she was pissed off, you guys.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: No.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: She was faking. She didn't care. What? Oh, I think she.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Was totally- We have three totally different takes on this.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: Crocodile tears. I didn't buy it at all. I think
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: she wanted a moment. I'm sorry. I don't think she
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: really cared.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: See, I saw it as Stephen King's Carrie. in Bronwyn's mind.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: She's lighting it on fire.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: She's so upset. This is my night.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: I had my speech.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: And now, right after that, you guys are coming in
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: and basically.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Dumping blood on our eyes.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: That is so good. I believe that.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I believe that she felt so wronged in the weirdest way.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: She felt so entitled to to be wrong. It's absolutely ridiculous.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: I can't believe she would be that delusional to take
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: it that far.
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: Heather was like, this is about you. They were all
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: circling around her like, you're going to let them do
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: this to you?
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: They were like, this can't possibly be about us.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: But I love that they're doing that.
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: This is why they're all such grifters because like, They're
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: all like going hard for her. And they're like, we,
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: I can't believe this. And then the last scene, Heather's
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: like turning on her as quick as that.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Like, yeah, she is shady.
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: Like there is no loyalty in this group except for
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: Meredith and Lisa, but it's transactional right now. It is
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: a hot mic. They were supposedly loyal before the hot
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: mic moment. So they are, I would be terrified to
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: go on that show. But that's why it's good. The
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: problem with Beverly Hills is they all are too protective
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: of each other, so we never get really, really dirty drama.
• 53:27
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're all willing to go pretty low over there.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Same with Orange County, but it's not as good.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: But when they were trying to figure out and go
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: through the beats of what happened, and Meredith was trying
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: to explain, Meredith was like, it wasn't aimed at Bronwyn.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: And then Bronwyn's like, I'm pretty sure it will be.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: This is all hypocrisy and bullshit. And Meredith is like,
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: I was going to do a DJ set that night.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Which I, first of all, I was like, oh, is
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: she invited somewhere else to do a DJ set? And
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: then I was like, oh, she was going to do
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: it there no matter what. She was going to get
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: up and perform, right?
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: She invited herself, I guess.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Sounds like it.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: I would like to see any of them do something
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: like this at Lisa or Meredith's events.
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: Oh.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: You couldn't.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: It just wouldn't happen. It would not.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: But Meredith was like.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: I guess my question is, Bronwyn clearly didn't know that
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: that was going to happen, the DJ set in and
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: of itself.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: Right, right.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Which shows us they don't have all the control over
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: the event. So it's also like, Bronwyn, sit down. This
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: is your, quote, party.
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: When it's really a housewives show filming where they need
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: to entertain us, okay? So let us These two hypocrisy
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: and bullshit go-getters let the glam kittens get up there
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: and do their thing. It was a hit.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: I love you guys. I'm sorry. There's very little you
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: could do to make me Lisa Meredith.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, I love that.
• 55:07
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: I'm so team them right now.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: Like I don't, I'm not saying they're great people or
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: they're right.
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: I just, I find them both truly sorry to use,
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: you know, an overused word, but I find them both iconic.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: I do. And nothing's going to make me hate them.
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: Just like I love Brooks Marks and I don't care
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: how many people tell me he's boring.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: I love him. I love that whole family. That whole
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: family of posers.
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: When they're together, it's like a symphony. It's melodic to
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: my ears.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: I was like, could you guys be more boring right now?
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: That was awesome.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: I'll just chat, chat, beat, chat, GPT.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: One plus one equals two.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: Two plus two.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Hey, mom, chat, GPT. Oh, you're right.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. So good.
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: Remember when we met her sister like three years ago? Yeah.
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: She comes in, her name was like, what was her name?
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: It was like, like Faraday or something.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. It was like the same name.
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: Faraday.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: Meryl or something. And she's like, hi, how are you?
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: We're like, oh my God.
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: This is like actually not put on like this whole
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: family was born like born this way.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: It's crazy. God bless them.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: God bless them. Oh, and then what about, I was like,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Meredith being so ready to, you know, in the jump
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: position to say, can you seal your mouth like your lawsuits?
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: You know what's funny? It wasn't like her.
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: I hate the can lines when they come in, you know,
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: like Cy was doing and everything.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: But that, I loved it. I'm telling you, I'm an
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: apologist for Meredith. I love it. Everything she says cracks
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: me up.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: It was a real throwback because... We haven't heard about
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: the sealed lawsuit in a long time.
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: And I was like, what is she even talking about?
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: I know the flashback.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Editors were like, okay, go to cold storage. We got
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: to go to the archives.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: Meredith collects stories. Like we collect purses. I don't know. She,
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: she never forget.
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: Like if you hear her doing media and stuff, she, this,
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: she loves, like, she's really loves.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: Being a housewife. Like she makes it seem like I
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: don't have time for this drama. She loves it. She
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: loves it.
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: It doesn't participate unless Lisa's there. I'm realizing more and
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: more like I, you don't see Meredith often filming without
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: Lisa in the last two seasons.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: You might get a little bit of one-on-one.
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: She can't, she can't hang by herself.
• 57:34
  Speaker 6: No.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: I also, yeah, she gets too frustrated. And also the
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: scenes that will we, yeah.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: Like, I don't know.
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: I think, everybody else would film with her, but she
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: just doesn't seem to want to film with anybody.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: You guys, I mean, do we, sorry, I keep on
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: zooming out. Forgive me, but I'm just so happy to
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: be with you darlings. Am I like, I love this show.
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: I just, I mean, I just have the best time
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: with it because I just can't believe how batshit crazy
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: it is.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, I love it too.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: And I thought Emily, this episode is great.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: Emily, Emily loves it.
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: I do.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: No, she can't have begun her own. I'm having some issues.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: You are?
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: I have some issues with the season.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Are you fucking kidding me right now? Oh.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: United Arab Emirates airline attendant outfit?
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Oh my God, that was so good. I don't know
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: why everything cracks me up. The yellow tie just set
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: me over the edge.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: The yellow tie. I said no ties.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: And then the montage of how many times. But that's
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: the thing. Angie is so annoying. Why would you do that?
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: No, that's not right.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about. That's one of my problems.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: She's not following the rules.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: You got to follow the rules. Mary said rules. You
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: got to follow the rules.
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: No, there seems to be, I can see some of
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: the strings in the drama that's being set up. And
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: a lot of that is coming from Heather and Angie,
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: where I'm just like, Why?
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: And a little bit.
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: Whitney and always Brittany, but actually Brittany a little bit
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: less this season, but I don't know why these guys
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: feel like they need to produce the drama.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: I completely agree.
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: I mean, look, my caveat is, and I've said this
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: on other podcasts and I'm going to say it again,
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: and I'm sorry to say it, but I want Heather
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: off my screen.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: I know, you guys. I knew it wouldn't go up.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: I think that you have no right to be here
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: for the love of God like a treasure buried in
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: the desert from John 1842. You need to persevere. I, I, I, I, I, I, I.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: I really dislike her.
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: I feel like she's changed more than any other housewife
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: I've ever met, not just physically, but emotionally and spiritually.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: She is coming off as a little cringy, but I'm
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: still going to stick. But I get the cringiness because
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: she's just like continuing to try to like, what's the word?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Not like glam up, upgrade. What is the word?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: Glow up.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: She thinks she's glowing up in her personality when it's not.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: It's like, I wish she could be the way she
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: was before.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: I love that she was us season one. She was
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: like a little chubby and she was like, you know,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: didn't give a shit.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: And it was like, how am I on the show?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: And now she's like, I just feel her producing everything.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: Like Emily said, but here's the other thing. And I
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: think we privately texted about this and I'm going to
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: take it to the public.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Now I am getting, I am getting some dirty trip vibes. Like,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: I don't like what I'm getting a little Louis Ruelas.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: I'm getting a little Brooks. And I don't mean Brooks Marks.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: I mean Brooks. Who the hell is the last name Brooks?
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: We don't.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: It's Brooke Cancer Scam.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I love your drop so much. Yeah. I'm just
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: going to say it. I get and I. I don't know, guys.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: Heather, ever since the black eye and her throwing production
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: under the bus, I guess I've really never forgiven her
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: for that as a producer.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: The black guy and throwing the producers under the... The
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: black eye.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: God, don't make this racial. I was like, what are
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: you talking about? God, you always bring race into this.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: I was like, she loves black men. She does love
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: black men. I thought that's what we knew about her.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: No, I love that she loves black men, but her
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: black eye was not acceptable to say, oh, maybe, what
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: did she say?
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: Maybe production did it. Like, I just don't like her.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: I dislike her. I dislike her. Wow. I'm sorry.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: By the way, Jen Shaw... I put something up the
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: other day and I happened to fling by it. Something like, well,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: maybe we need to revisit The Black Eye. Did you
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: see that?
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: I did. And you know what?
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Let's revisit it. I was like, I'm listening. I scrolled
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: by really fast, but it was enough to where I
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: was like, I'll fucking tune into that shit.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: I'll fucking do it. By the way, quick plug for
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: Queen of the Con, my podcast season four. The entire
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: season is Jen Shaw. Oh, yes.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: Or season five.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: Oh, nice.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: No, it's season four. Yeah, we go deep.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was good. Emily, what else about the season
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: do you not like? What are your issues?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, complain some more.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, thank you. I think you guys can turn your
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: mics off. Hi, everyone. I'm Emily.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: Hi, Emily.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: I think if you compare it to New York right now,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: which is so raw and real, And I'm like, that
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: to me, sure, there's a couple things that feel a
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: little bit produced here and there.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: But I'm putting Salt Lake and OC.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: In a place where it's like the OC Heather is
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: Emily Simpson. And she's producing a lot there. And I'm
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: seeing Heather in that position. And I guess I just,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: you know, we don't need it. And I see more
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: cast producing this season in Salt Lake than I've seen
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: in the past. And I know that, like, I'm including
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: when Heather sits down at the end with her game
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: of fucking phone tag or whatever she had last season. Like,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: I know that they lean on Heather to do some
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: of that. I just think they're really leaning on these
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: guys to, like, make something out of nothing a lot
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: of times. So that's how I'm feeling right now.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: That's fair.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: No, I think I have to say, being the Libra
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: that I am, now I agree with you.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: I take back everything I said.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: You're a flipper. You've never stood in your truth. You
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: flip left and right. You're always riding the fence, Aliza.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: I think I am. I think I am. Was that Sonia?
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know who it was.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Well, Karen Huger rides the fence.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: I think that we run the risk with that. exactly
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: what you're saying on these shows. And it's so tough
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: to like withstand. I think that my level of suspension
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: of disbelief is greater with Salt Lake City, because there's
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: so much charisma, because there's so many different storylines, and
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: there's so much happening that it's easy for me to
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: kind of skate through and not really be looking at that.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: Whereas I see so many more broader strokes in some
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: of the other cities. But I know what you're saying, Emily.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: And I mean, I almost feel like Heather is kind
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: of pigeonholed right now because she really doesn't have anything
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: going on. And she doesn't really come after any of
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: the other wives. She doesn't really play dirty with them.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, she may be snarky here and there and
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: say shit. But well, obviously she did like Real Housewives,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: you know, Girls Trip, and she was after Lisa. But
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: that's kind of a newer Heather. So I feel like
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: maybe she's sort of pivoting into kind of a different role.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: She's kind of trying to figure out where does she
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: go from here? Because she was the person that, you know,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Lisa was explaining to us earlier that we all loved
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: in the beginning. And now after all this, she's different.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: She's evolving, she's changing. So Where does that leave her
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: in terms of where her spot is on the show?
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: So I feel like she kind of is having to
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: stir things up in a way intentionally, which is not good.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: And Angie too. And Angie's always been that.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: Angie's always going to bring the props and fake chair
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: and all that. But I was willing to kind of give,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: I didn't like that then, but I was like, maybe
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: that's her thing. But then to have multiple people on
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: the show doing their own like side producing is, I
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: could be wrong.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: Maybe they're not.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: I will say the irony is, the hypocrisy is for
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: me that when I'm watching then Lisa and Meredith come
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: out with A literal song and dance they rehearsed.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: That felt very real to me.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: The rehearsal was the best rehearsal of all time. The
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: makeup artists are just like, yeah, that seems like a banger.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: Go for it.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: It's for real.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: But honestly, you guys, I can't get it out of
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: my head. It's genius.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 5: Oh, I know.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, you guys, when they did that footage
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: of them walking through the airport in the van, in
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: the airplane, in the cockpit. Did you see him in
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: the cockpit? I did.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: I literally, I need to rewind. I want to put
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: that on my phone, that whole montage. The cockpit had me.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: The pilot's like, fuck a Sambo. He's like running into clouds.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: It's great. Listen, I have always.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 5: Watched Salt Lake like a scripted show.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, really? Like a telenovela. Yeah.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: I could never follow the drama. I gave up following
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 5: the fights two years ago, two seasons ago.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I never know who's mad at who. I
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: never know what they're fighting about.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: But I just am like leaning back. It's just so
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: funny to me. And I just think they're all insane.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: And I love it.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Well, because like... You know, they have real shit going
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: on now.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: And I kind of wish they would, like, focus on
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: that as friends and or people that don't trust each other. Instead, like,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: we got Angie wearing a tie when she's told, please
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: don't wear a tie.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Like, she's creating shit. I'm going through some.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 6: Stuff, babe.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: And I had to get my tits out. I had to, babe.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: And Britannia's walking around with deeds. Like, that doesn't make sense.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: And then we've got a scam at their nursing home. Yeah.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: I'm flashing back. Was this last season or the season before?
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: When they're in Greece and Angie hires somebody to, like,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: do an entire play. Oh, yes.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: About their drama.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: And they're all sitting there watching. I mean, it's batshit insane, right?
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: It is. Like, was that last season?
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Greece trip was last season. See, that felt real,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: more real to me than what's happening right now.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: Especially in the face of like their real life divorces
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: and separations.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: And I don't know how much they want to like
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: lean in with Mary because it's like, oh, that would
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: not be great.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: But they've got.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: Real life stuff happening and I just don't understand the distractions.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: Well, it is kind of funny that they have this
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: underlying foundation of really intense stuff going on. And the
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: choices that they make on top of that kind of
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: makes for a nice sandwich.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: It's bizarre.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I feel like their theme ever since Jen
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: has been the grifting.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: So they always lean into the grifting, right? Oh, that's
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: a good point.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: Like they remember Ali Mama. That was two seasons ago,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: Right, they lean into the grifting.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then with Lisa and her, you know, right,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 5: all of it is the grifting.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: And then now with Bronwyn, they're like, something's not adding up.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: Everything's married is saying it. That's so good. That's a
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: really good point.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: So I feel like they're like, divorce, eh, kind of boring.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: Let's lean into the grifting, the lawsuits, and the prison.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, hello, mom.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: Monica? Yeah.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: By the way, Whitney was on, Whitney and Brittani were
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: on Watch What Happens Live last night.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: I saw that. It was the weirdest clip. But I
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: was like, am I on drugs?
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: I was like, I felt like Andy. I was like, eh,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: let's go to commercial. Because they could not spit it out.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: I don't blame him. He hates Brittani. That was so weird.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: And didn't Whitney's outfit look like Project Runway? Like when
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: they hang it on the models before they sew it?
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: Thank God you said it. I was like, oh no.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: Did something spill on her dress and they had to
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: put a towel over her dress?
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: Literally. That's what I thought.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, they had to put a rag,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: like a flannel shirt, someone's flannel shirt from the audience
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: over her.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: She's like, can you guys sew this? You don't have
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: time to sew it? That's fine. Just put it on me.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: I'll go out.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: This is the corporate challenge using only materials from someone's office.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: That's what it was. From that curtain. Just grab the curtain.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: But it's just gray. It doesn't matter. We'll put some
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: glitter on the side and just send her out. Send
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: her out.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: But then Whitney's like, Brittany had some tea that she
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: was spilling. And she's going to deliver this place. But
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: just in the Mormon. And then Andy's like, oh, is
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: he like hanging out with one of the Mormon wives?
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: Tell me.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: And she's like, no, he's not.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: Playing out with the, well, I said, no, he's not
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: the D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: No, it was so... And Andy was like, you know what, girls?
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: I'm not doing this commercial.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: No, it was thank God he shut her down.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was just like, you're not spilling any tea
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: because you're just talking in circles and making no sense.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: Meanwhile, we've seen, I mean, the word and pictures of
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: Justin and Chase and the videos of those two hanging out.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: Chase from Mormon Wives has been out for weeks.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: That's what they're... That's what she must have been trying
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: to say. See how easy it was for Emily to
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: say that? Easy.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: And I don't want to be rude, but like.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: I gossip about Justin is like so far down on
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: my list of things I care about. Like you really
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: could not tell me a single thing that Justin would
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: do that would make me care. Like if he was
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 5: like down with all the Mormon husbands in a hot tub, like,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: you know, go.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know what it would be like. Cool.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: But it would, it would have to take a lot.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: I mean like a tremendous amount, like earth shattering stuff
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: for us to care.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: Earth shattering. So I care more about Jared.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: Me too, quite honestly. All right, let's wrap it there
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: on Jared. Alisa Rosen, our special guest today. Thank you
• 1:11:51
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• 1:11:53
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• 1:11:56
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• 1:11:58
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• 1:12:01
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• 1:12:02
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• 1:12:05
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• 1:12:09
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• 1:12:13
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• 1:12:16
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• 1:12:20
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• 1:12:23
  Speaker 5: you so much for being here, Aliza.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: I've got to go and keep listening to Episode 7 again.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. Look at the scroll. She's already listening
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: to it.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: These are all the patrons. Bye, guys.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: Am I on? I know. Yes, you are.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: You are on there.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: Drama.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: I think you're a gorgeous darling.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. Thank you. How was that? Why did
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: you do that, though?
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: I don't remember for sure, but I think.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: I'm like, wait, I know that.