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CODY QUISTAD: WAGE WAR’S NEW ERA, ‘OCTANECORE’ + THE CURRENT STATE OF HEAVY MUSIC. · The Downbeat

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  What's up guys, Welcome back to the Downbeat podcast.
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  My guest on the podcast this week is Cody Quistad, guitarist
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  of Wage War with 4.3 billion streams to his name.
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  He is also an incredibly talented and sought after
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  songwriter. We caught up to talk about Wage
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  Wars new EP It Calls Me By Name, as well as what he thinks of the
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  modern scene and the term Octane Core.
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  When heavy breakdowns meet active rock choruses, something
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  that Cody himself was pretty much single candidly responsible
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  for. We're going to find out what he
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  thinks about it. They're also about to start a
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  Quistad of Wage War on the Downbeat podcast.
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  Cody Quistad, welcome back. What's up dude?
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  Why do I say welcome back? Well.
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  Because. You want them to know or not.
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  Yeah, yeah, we can let them know or no, Yeah, it's up to you.
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  Well, we did an episode probably like a year ago.
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  It's July. I look today.
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  And we were just chilling. Yeah.
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  The weather was nice. Yeah.
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  It's just like a conversation. No Snowmageddon.
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  No Snowmageddon. Nothing was happening.
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  Nothing was. You had nothing on.
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  Yeah, you just finished everything.
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  Yeah, it was just kind of the the slow season.
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  And then we both put it on the back burner because episodes had
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  like, we have an EP coming out, so it has to happen.
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  And then I was in my head, I was like, fuck, this episode is old
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  and we're not talking about anything.
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  And luckily you hit me up and was like, do you want to run
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  that back? Yeah, it was a straight up fluff
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  piece. Yeah, I was just thinking about
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  it and I was like, well, this is like almost a year ago and I
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  would keep looking at episodes dropping.
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  I was like, I don't know when minds dropping.
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  And then I was like, you know what, I probably should, We
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  should probably see about doing it again just so that it's not
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  coming out a year later. But now it's fresh.
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  Now we're fresh, baby. What I'm trying to do this year
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  is make it way more fresh. So this is coming out in like
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  less than two weeks time or two weeks time sick.
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  So that's what I'm trying to do, Subscribe to the Patreon so I
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  can fucking keep up with that because it's a pain in the
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  fucking arse. And this is sneaky because we
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  get to talk about stuff that we're not supposed to be talking
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  about yet. Does it feel bad?
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  Do you feel naughty? Yeah, I feel super naughty.
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  You feel like exciting, you have to like check afterwards.
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  You can check afterwards. Actually we say.
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  Something no, I think I confirmed everything I am and
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  I'm not able to talk about, so I've got.
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  I've got everything cleared and then there was stuff last time
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  you couldn't talk about that. We now can talk about that,
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  correct? I'm a professional and I've
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  written them all down. That's right.
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  First off, did you get away Scott free with Snowmageddon?
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  I did, yes. So conveniently, Shiprocked
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  happened the entire week of Snowmageddon in Nashville.
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  I did have to change my flight to one day earlier.
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  So I flew out Friday night and the storm hit Saturday morning,
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  I think. And then I think I got back
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  Monday of the next week, so I missed all of it.
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  Right. Yeah.
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  For those who don't know, there was a snowstorm in Nashville
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  last week, and I mean probably 2 weeks ago now.
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  Like a ice storm wasn't. It ice, snow and then an ice
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  storm. It took out our house but then
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  like 2 days ago, yesterday it was like 75.
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  That's 23 for anyone in the UK. I was 75.
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  Global warming, like, literally fucking mental.
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  Yeah, I did the same thing as you.
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  But I thought I'd be clever because we're going to see my
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  parents had to go back to home, the homeland.
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  Yeah, in winter. And I was like, oh, there's an
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  ice storm coming. Let's just go while that storm
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  is happening because then the weather here will be worse than
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  the weather in the UK. Yeah.
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  Making the UK seem like a tropical paradise.
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  Got there, had three days there. Got a text from my next neighbor
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  saying oh there's a there's a tree on top of your house.
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  Dude. It's still there.
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  You probably have gotten at the worst of anyone I've heard of.
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  I mean, listen, Spring Hill, dude, that's where's the Lord's
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  palm, dude. Oops.
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  He just keeps us right here. All the storms miss us, dude.
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  I'm. Not allowed, I'm not.
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  Allowed, dude, Yeah, I got, I got ice.
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  I'd like drip my faucets and that was about it.
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  And then it was all melted by the time I got back.
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  The NES, not Nintendo Entertainment System, Nashville
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  Electric service, I guess. Yeah.
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  Came today. Because they basically have to.
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  This is really boring, but we'll get to the music stuff in a
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  minute. They basically have to.
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  All the electrics are fucked. The tree went on all the meters
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  and everything. So you guys have that power too?
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  Nude NES came today and after waiting two weeks and they were
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  like, yeah, I can't do that until an electrician comes.
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  Sorry. They did that last week.
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  Electrician comes today and says I can't do that until the
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  brickwork's fixed to. And then the brickwork guy says
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  I can't do that until the tree's gone.
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  So right now, as we speak, there's a guy with a chainsaw on
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  top of our house. No Wi-Fi.
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  These episodes are 300 gigabytes so like after this I have to
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  stay here on this Wi-Fi and upload the episode and just hope
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  it fucking works. Bro I'm so sorry it sucks.
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  You don't deserve that, certainly not as a new
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  transplant. The worst part was like we were
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  in the UK, couldn't get flight home and the cats were in the
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  house with a cat sitter that just came every day so you had
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  to fucking make sure they didn't get out of the hole in the
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  ceiling. Sort all that out but we're
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  good. I'm fucking pissed off all the
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  time. Stressed we live in a crack den,
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  2 down to doors down. We're just a mattress and
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  heating and that's it. I'm so sorry.
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  It fucking sucks. I'm sorry dude, you don't
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  deserve that. Certainly you don't have a
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  swimming pool. You told me that last time.
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  We'll get we're covered right now.
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  We'll. Get to that is it.
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  Oh yeah. Oh, no.
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  The pool. It's been covered since.
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  The pool's covered. I'm going to look at apartments
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  to buy. Yeah, next week.
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  OK, this area. Yeah, I'm going.
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  To stay, stay. Here, just the fucking
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  immigration shit scares the fuck out of me.
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  Yeah. And like, although I'm here like
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  these, everything's kosher, right?
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  For how long? So I want to make sure this is
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  again, very boring. I want to make sure like
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  investment wise, if they're like, oh, you're going home, I'm
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  like, OK, well, at least I can rent it out.
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  Whereas if I was in the outskirts, it's going to be
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  harder to rent. That I totally get that.
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  East Nashville guys with moustaches that drink March,
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  they're going to be right in there.
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  Fucking no, double it. Fucking landlord arc.
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  I don't want to be no landlord arc.
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  Music. Music's cool, isn't it?
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  I I do, I do enjoy. It you do so much music.
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  Doing a lot of it, that's for sure.
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  I. Got questions on that, but what
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  I wanted to talk about, what we didn't talk about last time
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  because it hadn't happened yet, was Euro Tour with Architects.
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  Yeah. How was that dude?
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  Phenomenal. Yeah.
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  Yeah, they're the best people ever.
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  And I've heard it from everyone, especially from you.
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  Yeah, bro. I mean, day one we were just
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  locked in. It was short.
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  It was like 2 1/2 weeks. But yeah, dude, it was awesome.
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  Just huge gigs. I think that was like one of
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  them was there. What was it?
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  I think it's Manchester. It's a new, new venue there.
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  Do you know what it's? Called Is it the?
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  Was it the arena and and? Yeah, it's like a 18,000 cab
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  room. It's.
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  NBC Arena or something like that.
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  It's something really big, but it was a huge show and it was
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  really cool to witness. But.
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  Fucking crazy. Yeah, they're the best guys.
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  That's the first time we've talked together, yeah.
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  First time we ever even met them, like never even been on
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  the same show or we'd played one festival with them in America in
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  like 24 I think. That's strange, Yeah, Being that
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  you, you know, genre buddies. Yeah, we're very, very adjacent.
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  Do you think it's anything to do with?
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  Do you think the reason it took this long store together was
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  anything to do it? Was a little skiddly do on the
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  guitar with riff riff. Did you talk about?
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  Riff Gate. Oh yeah, Oh, yeah, no, it was,
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  it was so it was super funny, super light hearted, but.
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  Well, let's set the scene. It's doomsday and it's.
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  Is it low? Yeah, yeah, doomsday and low.
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  Yeah, the the riff, what you call it Riff gate.
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  Riff the riff gate. Yeah, I mean catching up
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  everyone, I guess we had a riff that was pretty close to the to
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  an Architects riff, which there are a lot of those throughout
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  music in general. Yeah.
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  And yeah, it just ended up becoming a little bit more of a
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  thing that I think that we thought it would.
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  So obviously, like night 1, you know we're.
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  Not we're playing, no. No, we didn't address at night
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  one, but we were playing before him.
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  It's we've been playing it differently for a while.
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  Like some people had beef with the fact that it started with
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  like this low gain thing, which they have a song that does that
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  too. There's a lot of bands that have
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  songs that do the, you know, low pass guitar thing or whatever,
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  but we've been playing it a different way for a long time
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  anyways. But you certainly can't get away
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  from the thing which is the same beat for both the riffs,
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  different notes, different keys, whatever.
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  But I remember playing at Night 1 and just like, like, shutting
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  my eyes and being like, oh, damn.
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  So it was, yeah. I mean, it definitely felt weird
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  playing that song in front of their fans because some nights
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  you can see people kind of go like.
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  So fucking funny. Yeah.
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  So wait, sorry to cut back. You change the intro.
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  I mean, we've been playing it differently for a while.
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  Like when we play it, we've been playing that song for since
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  2019. It's a big song for us.
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  So we've been playing it. But as, as you know, like when
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  you keep playing Samsung's over and over, you try to get in, get
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  into them differently, have different transitions,
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  rearrangement, whatever. So we just cut the part that is
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  just guitar only. You know, I finally was like,
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  yeah, I was riding while we were in there and I talked to Dan a
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  lot. Dan, you know, he, we both have
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  like mobile rigs or whatever. And I think this was probably
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  like 3 days in. I was just like, you know what,
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  I'm just going to go do it. Like we had a bunch of yeah.
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  So I literally walked in there and I got Ali and Dan and Sam
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  together and I was just like, sorry about low guys.
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  We started laughing so hard and we just had this.
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  We had such a great moment with it.
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  Obviously they don't care at all and they're just like, bro, this
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  is metal music. We know exactly how this works.
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  And, you know, it's the age-old thing of time of, you know,
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  riffs that sound similar and, you know, whether it was
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  something happened on accident or on purpose or whatever.
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  Like, I think we all the bands just understand even when things
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  are close to each other, I I feel like everyone's just kind
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  of like, yeah, I mean, we play metal.
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  Like there's only someone. There's a finite amount of.
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  Yeah, there's. A finite amount of breakdown
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  patterns, riffs or whatever. So we had a like a super good
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  laugh about it. How do you feel after that?
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  Oh, it was great. Dude.
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  Was that? Playing on your mind for like
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  fucking years or something. Well, yeah.
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  And obviously like we'd all like watch each other sets and stuff.
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  And I, you know, I'd see them like side of the stage while
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  we're playing low. I'd be like, man, I got to say
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  something. It's metal, dude.
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  Like we do. We we play it.
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  We all play the same stuff. But that's fucking cool.
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  They are absolute sweethearts and I hope we get to do more
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  with them because that was that was super fun.
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  Even you just saying that like I knocked on the door and I went
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  and I got Dan Sam Alley. That's like why they've been my
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  best friend since fucking 20, Sam.
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  I've known Sam since maybe 2005. Yeah.
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  So like you just saying that I was like wish I was there.
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  I wish you were too. Bro fucking best.
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  They are the fucking best. I was like, we're doing a bunch
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  of festivals with the Downbeat this summer and they're on loads
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  and then I'm just gonna fucking sick.
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  Can I can you put my green room next to theirs please?
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  They were so kind, like constantly in and out of like
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  our green room and hanging and stuff.
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  And it's cool to meet intentional bands and you know
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  that like, like to hang out, we're going to spend an amount
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  of time together, you might as well make it count, you know
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  what I mean? So we like went on walks
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  together and stuff. It was awesome.
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  Have you got a favorite Favorite Architects member?
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  Architects Member. Have you got one that you hung
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  out with more than the others? I feel like I hung out with Dan
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  the most actually, and we just talk shop a lot just because
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  we're kind of the same guy as far as like we're.
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  So wise. Yeah, he's very wise.
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  But you know, super like creative and, you know, we just
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  kind of bounce thoughts off each other, but they're all so, so
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  awesome. There's a weird thing with Dan
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  and I think we've talked, No, I think it's quite dark, but like,
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  I think I've talked about it. I think I've talked about it
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  with him and I've talked about it with his wife and I talked
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  about it with our friends. But ever since Tom passed, like,
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  I don't know if it's because I don't see Tommy anymore,
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  obviously, but like, Dan's more like Tom and like, he's, he'll
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  do something. And I'm like, that's fucking
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  Tom. Yeah.
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  And it's weird. It's like, I don't know if it's
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  because I just haven't seen Tom in so long.
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  And obviously they're fucking twins.
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  They have, you know, twin tuition.
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  Yeah. But like, copyright, There's
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  that copyright, that phrase. We've got Riffgate, we've got
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  twin tuition. We're like 10 minutes in.
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  Yeah. Twin tuition, new architects,
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  single. But no, it's really like, it's
• 15:05
  like he absorbed Tom's wisdom. It's fucking crazy.
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  Yeah. Did Dan ask you about maybe
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  doing a little a little bit of your songwriting?
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  We didn't know. We didn't.
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  We did not talk about that. Really.
• 15:20
  Yeah. I'd love to though.
• 15:22
  I would love to write with him and just see what we get.
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  Surely we will. Get something.
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  You can already do it, obviously.
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  Yeah, surely we could get something awesome.
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  Because I know that they're, they've worked with a bunch of
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  people now and they've just fucking yeah.
• 15:34
  That'd be cool. Yeah, he'll be awesome.
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  I. Was wondering if it maybe that'd
• 15:37
  come up. Speaking of songwriting, while
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  we're on Riftgate. That's hilarious.
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  Has it? Has it ever happened again?
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  Has it happened since with anything else?
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  Not me, not me doing anything that's close to other people.
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  I feel like people, other people have done stuff really close to
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  what I've done. Oh, no, yeah.
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  But I mean, again, I just got to pass down the grace because it's
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  metal, dude, like. Fucking just gets filtered down.
• 16:04
  Yeah, dude, yeah. We're in a, we're in a tough
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  spot in in heavy music for sure. It's definitely all blended up
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  together more than ever, just the same everything, same
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  structures, same, even sounds the same, you know what I mean?
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  Like we're just in a really interesting place, I think.
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  Are you doing anything differently to try and sort of
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  make the pot slightly different? I mean, for me personally and
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  like my band, I would say that I am trying to like find
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  inspiration in like older stuff as opposed to like newer stuff.
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  Like I don't, I don't play the keep up game anymore.
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  I think for a while I did where it's just like, Oh no, this is
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  new and this is hot and this is, this is what's working.
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  Like I, I think to an extent, like every band does a form of
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  that. But I think for me, I, I have
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  never been more Team Blaze my own trail, whether it's popular
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  or not right now, Because when you look at the bands that are
• 17:03
  doing well, those are bands that are blazing their own trail, but
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  there's just the Wolfpack behind them that makes it so hard
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  because everyone just climbs on that sound, whether it's, you
• 17:13
  know, the bad omens thing or the sleep token thing or whatever.
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  Like there's just a huge amount of bands that just climbed the
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  backs of that, and that's the stuff that gets tough.
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  The problem is though, that you helped create that.
• 17:28
  That's the problem, yeah. Because like, obviously you got
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  the architects to wage war pipeline, right?
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  And in that sort of shaped modern metal core, right?
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  And now you're sat here like I'm blazing my own trail.
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  I'm like, where the fuck you going to go?
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  Yeah, you start my my trail is Octane core used according to
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  the Internet. How do you feel about that, Tom?
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  I mean, I it's, it's fine with me.
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  Like, you know, we we've discussed this a little bit, but
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  yeah, I mean, I think Octane is has been a great thing for heavy
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  music in general. I know now it gets a lot of flak
• 18:03
  just because kids that like their bands this certain way and
• 18:07
  then they do a song that, you know, plays nice on Octane,
• 18:11
  which Octane's kind of like the bridge between active rock and
• 18:13
  then like the scene, you know what I mean?
• 18:15
  Like they will play screaming and stuff like that.
• 18:18
  Explain to me like I'm from the UK because I fucking AM.
• 18:21
  Yeah, Active rock being what? Active rock, like historically
• 18:26
  is like your Seether, Shinedown, stained, Breaking Benjamin, you
• 18:32
  know, kind of, I mean radio rock.
• 18:34
  So when someone says active rock radio, what do they mean?
• 18:37
  I mean, that's just the, the stations that we have in like
• 18:40
  the, the broadcasting, like FM stations of rock, which, you
• 18:44
  know, played those kinds of bands historically.
• 18:47
  Like those bands just kind of are always playing and they're
• 18:50
  honestly still playing those songs.
• 18:52
  Thankfully, that's changing now because it's, you know, the hand
• 18:56
  is forced because new rock sounds different, you know what
• 18:59
  I mean? Obviously.
• 19:00
  So we got active rock, You got Octane in the middle between the
• 19:03
  scene and active rock? Yep, liquid what's?
• 19:07
  Liquid metal. Liquid metal?
• 19:08
  Is that octane as well? No, I think, I think liquid
• 19:11
  metal is just straight up like metal.
• 19:13
  Oh. I just got serious in my car.
• 19:15
  Oh, really? Dude, it's kind of flipped
• 19:17
  through it today. Yeah.
• 19:18
  I mean, liquid metal I think is just straight up metal, but it's
• 19:21
  radio for that. And because it's satellite, it's
• 19:25
  not like those numbers count differently than FM transmission
• 19:28
  stuff. So wait, it's Octane FM.
• 19:30
  No, it's here. It's satellite.
• 19:32
  OK. That's satellite as well.
• 19:33
  Yeah. But I mean, the subscriber base
• 19:36
  is huge. It's like millions of people,
• 19:39
  which if you think about, I mean, you just talked about
• 19:41
  getting satellite in your car. It's like when's the last time
• 19:42
  you put on FM radio? You know what I mean?
• 19:44
  Like it is definitely. Accident.
• 19:46
  Yeah, it's definitely like, you know, something that is it's
• 19:51
  like probably fighting for its place in like, the common world
• 19:55
  just because streaming and, you know, YouTube and all of these
• 19:58
  different versions of, you know, music consumption, like radio
• 20:02
  has probably fallen a lot farther than it used to.
• 20:05
  And, you know, like early 2000s or whatever, when a band that
• 20:08
  got a number one was a massive band, whereas like now a band
• 20:11
  can get a number one and not draw 300 kids, you know what I
• 20:15
  mean? It's just an entirely different
• 20:17
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  a hip hop male collab. It is going to be an awesome
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  Downbeat, where I'm going to keep telling you this stuff.
• 21:26
  Back to the show. OK, so still while I'm on the
• 21:29
  Octane day, because I'm sure I was listening to Octane this
• 21:32
  morning, Yeah, when I was flicking through it, yeah.
• 21:34
  And it had like Orbit Culture on it.
• 21:37
  Yeah, which is super fucking heavy.
• 21:39
  Yeah. So now I'm like, I don't
• 21:40
  understand the label. Octane Core.
• 21:43
  I mean, it's it's branded as like As for heavy music, but
• 21:47
  there has just become a very formulaic pattern that you will
• 21:52
  hear on most of the songs on Octane.
• 21:55
  Which you made. Which I wish I have most
• 21:57
  certainly helped usher in for sure.
• 22:01
  But I mean, when I was doing it, I was just blending the things
• 22:04
  that I like, which are heavy music, big riffs, big choruses,
• 22:10
  you know, breakdowns like that. That's just the things that I
• 22:12
  like. It's not a, it's not like a, you
• 22:15
  know, CHEAT SHEET where I'm like, OK, we got to put this
• 22:18
  here. Yeah.
• 22:20
  Yeah, I mean, it did Octane stuff like started all the way
• 22:24
  back into like what I would say is like early like 2000s metal
• 22:27
  core, you know what I mean? When you had the like Azalea
• 22:30
  dying, Killswitch Engage, whatever, where it was like
• 22:32
  heavy riffs, heavy versus the big old choruses or whatever.
• 22:35
  And then it's just kind of like slightly become more accepted
• 22:39
  and then maybe kind of like colored in the lines a little
• 22:41
  bit more with like the verses and stuff.
• 22:43
  So to me it's nothing new. It's just in like a hyper
• 22:46
  version right now because everyone's got the keys to the
• 22:49
  city with, you know, oh, you got to have the trap production and
• 22:53
  the low verses and the cling guitar and then you know what I
• 22:55
  mean? Here's a thought about it
• 22:56
  though, which I did have when I was listening to it today.
• 23:01
  The production, the Octane core production.
• 23:04
  I've got two. I've got two thoughts of it.
• 23:05
  One side thought here is like one of the things that I see
• 23:09
  people moaning about the most about modern metal core.
• 23:11
  And then they'll come is the overproduction, the drum samples
• 23:15
  and all this stuff. And then they'll compare it to
• 23:17
  like golden days metal core, like as I like dying and kill
• 23:21
  switch threat. You think as I like dying and
• 23:23
  kill switch isn't sampled like it's so fucking the first two.
• 23:28
  It's just the samples didn't sound as good.
• 23:31
  Yeah, that was my little side thought.
• 23:33
  And then the other thought was, do you think, do you think the
• 23:37
  reason it does so well on radio is because the highly processed
• 23:43
  sound sounds better when it's compressed into radio?
• 23:47
  Because a Metallica song came on Octane after like a couple of I
• 23:54
  can't, I think 7 Dust was on and I was like, damn, this makes us
• 23:56
  fucking great. Yeah.
• 23:58
  And then Metallica came on and Metallica song, I love Leper
• 24:00
  Messiah came on, Yeah. And I was like, this sounds like
• 24:02
  shit. And I don't know if it was like
• 24:04
  getting compressed by the fucking airwaves or whatever.
• 24:08
  Yeah, I mean, there's definitely some kind of a quality thing
• 24:11
  with the satellite stuff. Yeah.
• 24:14
  I mean, I think there's a lot. I mean, overproduced I think is
• 24:17
  like one of the laziest, dumbest comments that you complaint that
• 24:22
  you can make on something. It's like you did too good of a
• 24:25
  job, you know what I mean? Like it's a preference thing,
• 24:28
  you know what I mean? It's not nobody did a bad job.
• 24:30
  You just don't like as much like you would rather.
• 24:32
  And to be fair, a lot of the earlier, like, metal core stuff,
• 24:36
  like it took forever for like, programming and, yeah, perk
• 24:40
  loops and stuff like that to find their way into, you know,
• 24:43
  heavy music. But when it did, it just became
• 24:45
  this whole new, like, toy box of things that you could do.
• 24:47
  Right. Yeah, you know pads and you know
• 24:51
  perc loops. Wait, what's a perc loop?
• 24:53
  Percussion like yeah. Fucking lingo.
• 24:56
  No, you're good. That's that's my bad.
• 24:58
  No, I like it. Teach me.
• 25:00
  Yeah. Overproduced like I get guilty,
• 25:05
  I guess I like. That's a comment that I've I've
• 25:07
  gotten before. Yeah.
• 25:09
  I mean, I think it's just the way music is rolling.
• 25:11
  Like it's more, it's everything's like hyper is like
• 25:15
  the best way that I can consume. It's like everything at 100 at
• 25:18
  all times. That's like how music feels
• 25:21
  right now as opposed to like back in the day, maybe it was a
• 25:23
  little bit more dynamic and moments, you know what I mean?
• 25:27
  I saw it first hand with my drum plug in recently.
• 25:31
  Like I which? I got to get my hands on that.
• 25:33
  I got you. Give me a cradle e-mail.
• 25:36
  You must have a cradle e-mail. Oh yeah, yeah, the God.
• 25:38
  Park all that stuff, it goes out through that.
• 25:40
  It's not contact. It will just load in baby.
• 25:43
  That's slide right in. Thanks.
• 25:44
  I want that snare dude. I need that which.
• 25:46
  One though, this is what I was going to say because I got 2 on
• 25:50
  there. Oh really?
• 25:51
  And because I insisted we recorded four and they were
• 25:53
  like, Hey, yours is going to be a one kick one then now.
• 25:55
  So there's only going to going to be 1 snare.
• 25:56
  And I was like no, give me two snares.
• 26:00
  And they were like you don't play 2 snares, just give me two
• 26:02
  snares. So they gave me two.
• 26:04
  The main is my bell brass and it's like cranked.
• 26:07
  Yeah. And then the side snare is an
• 26:11
  aluminium and aluminium snare. And that one is like octane
• 26:17
  style. OK, is that, is that like me
• 26:19
  saying I said the O word? Am I saying the O word right?
• 26:23
  Now you said the O word. I'm sorry, so that one is like
• 26:26
  big beefy doomsday Paramore riot like.
• 26:29
  Makes its own space in the mix 5 yeah.
• 26:31
  Yeah. And then the bell blast is like
• 26:33
  a big, it's like a crack of like a 2000s throwback metal course
• 26:39
  snare. Yeah.
• 26:40
  And I put that as the main thinking everyone's going to use
• 26:42
  that one because everyone complaints about the architects
• 26:45
  snares and everyone's always like Jordan fish ruin this and
• 26:49
  someone else mixed it. So what you're fucking talking
• 26:52
  about, you don't know what you're talking about.
• 26:53
  And but everyone uses that one. Everyone uses the one they say
• 26:57
  they hate. They hate that kind of snare
• 26:58
  drum. But every single playthrough
• 27:00
  that I see or everyone loading it up on their kit, it's the
• 27:03
  beefy 1. Let's go, dude.
• 27:04
  Just say. Just say you like the hell snare
• 27:07
  just. Say you like a cool snare.
• 27:10
  Yeah, I'm still checking out all the videos I've seen sound
• 27:12
  awesome. And got you.
• 27:14
  I've got 3. There's 300 mini grooves in
• 27:16
  there. OK, if you yeah, I saw you have
• 27:18
  the what's the one? Just ridiculous groove.
• 27:21
  It opens the song. Yellow scene.
• 27:22
  Yeah, miding that out. I mean, I don't know how they
• 27:26
  did it. If they if they played it.
• 27:28
  You played it and then they converted to mini.
• 27:29
  Yeah. I was at E Kit, yeah, So I
• 27:33
  played it and then I put it in fucking.
• 27:35
  Yeah, that's insane, bro. He slapped it.
• 27:37
  You think anyone's going to throw that in their song?
• 27:38
  And hopefully no one. So it's like time for a drum
• 27:41
  fill time, Time for a 16 bar drum fill.
• 27:44
  So every time I've sent it, it's funny.
• 27:47
  Have you heard? Do you like that band carnival?
• 27:49
  I'm not very familiar, I just know that they're crazy
• 27:51
  musicians. They came back and they got like
• 27:54
  a new record, first record in fucking like 15 years or
• 27:56
  something. It's amazing.
• 27:58
  But Steve's been on the podcast, Loves Guillotine specifically.
• 28:06
  Half of Guillotine is in a fill and I haven't spoke to him yet,
• 28:09
  but there's a fill in on the record and it's like half of
• 28:11
  Guillotine. I'm like, I'm going to hit him
• 28:12
  up and be like, oh, you had it, did you, fucking Nick?
• 28:15
  No way. It's like just hot like and then
• 28:20
  that's it. I was like, I hope that's in
• 28:22
  there, but you get there. That's what I want with the plug
• 28:24
  in everyone, like because there's been such a broad amount
• 28:28
  of people, like obviously you write for fucking everyone.
• 28:31
  I would love you to have it and I'd love you to slam one of my
• 28:33
  middies in there. Yeah, I won't take any
• 28:35
  percentage, just drums. I can't.
• 28:38
  But like speed asked for it. I'm wish asked for it, like the
• 28:44
  whole range of metal. And the only thing that I've
• 28:46
  said to everyone is how can I get it free?
• 28:47
  I'm like, yeah, but you have to do me a favour.
• 28:49
  Just piss piss your drummer off but one in.
• 28:53
  Hell yeah, I'll find the hardest one.
• 28:55
  There's a Steve would love that. There's a lot, right?
• 28:57
  There's a cool break. There's a breakdown in there,
• 29:00
  which I think I called it Brisk Kerner.
• 29:03
  It's just like a Chris Turner Oceans Alaska.
• 29:06
  Style breakdown. And I'm like, while I'm playing
• 29:08
  it like I played it, real talk, I played it like 30 BPM slower
• 29:13
  than it is in the pack. Unbelievable.
• 29:14
  Do the. Power of MIDI.
• 29:15
  Yeah. It's just like, this would sound
• 29:17
  great at 1:50. I'm gonna buy it at 1:20.
• 29:20
  It's like that. And I'm like, yeah, I'm wait to
• 29:22
  hear. That's got late snare in there
• 29:24
  as well. Little flam on the kick drum.
• 29:26
  Ohh come on dude. That in a fucking breakdown.
• 29:28
  Yeah, I'll throw it in there. That'll sound exactly like our
• 29:31
  band. You have that shit anyway
• 29:33
  though. We don't have anything that
• 29:35
  crazy. Which brings us to the EP.
• 29:38
  You have a crazy breakdown. You haven't sent me the EP, by
• 29:41
  the way. You only sent me one song.
• 29:42
  That's right. So I can only talk about one
• 29:44
  song and then you can tell me about the rest of the EP.
• 29:46
  All right, that's fair. It calls me by name.
• 29:49
  Yes Sir EP. Yes Sir. 5 tracks. 5 tracks. 5
• 29:52
  full tracks or 4 tracks and an intro.
• 29:54
  Five, what I think are pretty full tracks.
• 29:56
  Nice. Yeah, you mentioned earlier
• 29:59
  trying to get away from the norm of blazing your own trail.
• 30:04
  Have you done that? I think so, yeah, this is kind
• 30:08
  of been, you know, I've been working on music for a really
• 30:11
  long time, since after our last record.
• 30:14
  I feel like I just kind of stay, stay busy.
• 30:17
  And then I got like a mobile recording rig that I take on the
• 30:23
  road now and that has like upped my game by 1,000,000% because
• 30:28
  everyday to do something productive, I just set up and
• 30:31
  make something. So that kind of just makes a lot
• 30:34
  more. And then it's fun to do it on
• 30:35
  the road because you're, you know, seeing what works live,
• 30:38
  especially from like new records, you know what I mean?
• 30:40
  Like you play the stuff lies. Like man, this feels great or
• 30:42
  man, this feels like great in the studio but didn't work or
• 30:44
  whatever. So yeah, I mean specifically the
• 30:48
  song I guess where you said this comes out March 6th.
• 30:52
  So the song that will be out in a couple weeks or is out now.
• 30:56
  Song of the Swamp is like the first kind of look at something
• 31:01
  that we put down and we're like, I feel like this has to come out
• 31:05
  immediately and you know. We've always chorus, no singing.
• 31:09
  Well, there's there's a chorus. There's a heavy chorus.
• 31:11
  Yeah. I think it's fun to just play
• 31:13
  both sides of the coin, you know what I mean?
• 31:15
  Like, Stigma had a lot of radio success, and we got a lot of
• 31:18
  like, really awesome tours off that with bands, you know, that
• 31:22
  are on the radio. And I think an important part of
• 31:24
  our band is that we do both, you know what I mean?
• 31:27
  Like we have, we have the side that, you know, is melodic and I
• 31:32
  guess you could say plays well at radio.
• 31:34
  And then we also have this side that is super heavy, you know
• 31:39
  what I mean? And where we were playing all of
• 31:41
  those heavy songs, even on the radio tours, just because like
• 31:44
  we're not going to like fully cater a song list to a group.
• 31:47
  Like we just do both things, you know?
• 31:49
  And so I think we just tried to push the heavy envelope, as
• 31:54
  cliche as it sounds, for every band ever to say about their new
• 31:56
  stuff. Like we really tried to push the
• 31:59
  heavy envelope as far as we could.
• 32:02
  And also like influence wise, like not necessarily be
• 32:05
  influenced by anything like that's around right now, but
• 32:08
  more so like earlier metal, like, you know, Pantera, like
• 32:12
  Black Album stuff. Like that's the stuff that I'm
• 32:14
  like, yeah, I'm like way more into that now and like trying to
• 32:19
  flip that into like 2026 now, I guess.
• 32:22
  Yeah, the the breakdown at the end there in Pantera.
• 32:24
  Oh yeah, I knew it. Yeah.
• 32:27
  Oh, sorry, yeah, same thing. Yeah, all the all the riff stuff
• 32:30
  and like just branding wise. You haven't seen the video yet.
• 32:32
  The whole thing is based around like Florida where we're from
• 32:37
  basically. And we've toyed with it for
• 32:39
  multiple records now. We've done on Manic, we had a
• 32:42
  song called Death Roll and on the last record we had a song
• 32:45
  called In My Blood and both of those were like ode to Florida
• 32:48
  songs. And so we kind of just decided
• 32:51
  to like fully lean in and you know, like all of the branding
• 32:56
  is around, you know, like you basically just where we're from
• 32:59
  and who we are. So it's Gators and swamp stuff.
• 33:01
  And like the video, we actually went to our hometown of Ocala
• 33:06
  and like shot the thing practically none of like the
• 33:10
  greens, green stuff. Like it's us in an actual swamp.
• 33:13
  Like built, built a deck, pushed it all the way out into the
• 33:19
  middle of a swamp, which is what we're performing on in the
• 33:21
  video. Holy shit.
• 33:23
  And in order to get out there, I had to put on waiters and wait
• 33:26
  until like deep water and so. And then get on and then take
• 33:31
  the waiters off. How did the gear get over there?
• 33:34
  You put the gear on 1st and then.
• 33:35
  Yeah, well, we had some help, but the, yeah, I mean, there's
• 33:38
  the guy, you know, the guys there on crew on set or
• 33:40
  whatever. But we started pushing it in.
• 33:42
  The mud was so like thick that we couldn't get drum kit on
• 33:47
  there, you know, a bunch of other guys on there.
• 33:48
  So I was just like, not really thinking.
• 33:50
  I was like, oh, I'll just get off and get out, get on it when
• 33:52
  it's out there or whatever. Not thinking that we didn't have
• 33:55
  a boat or anything. So you don't have an airboat,
• 33:57
  you need a fucking airboat. No those videos.
• 33:59
  One of the dudes that was building the boat was like,
• 34:02
  yeah, you just put on my waders and I was like, alright, it was
• 34:05
  cool, man. We we shot all of it in Florida
• 34:08
  in the swamp, real deal. We like, went and took a bunch
• 34:14
  of pictures, like with Gators at his name's Chandler.
• 34:21
  He's like a wildlife guy, like big on YouTube and he let us
• 34:25
  come over to his spot and like take a bunch of pictures and
• 34:28
  show us all of this, like, you know, venomous snakes or
• 34:32
  whatever. The cover of the EP is a picture
• 34:35
  that I say we had taken, we took, but it's like it's not
• 34:39
  some, you know, stock image somewhere or whatever.
• 34:42
  Yeah, no, this is like it's a legit picture of the back of a
• 34:46
  Gator. Yeah.
• 34:47
  The cover is just that. Wow.
• 34:48
  That's. Real.
• 34:49
  Like super detailed and. Guys, lucky you're from a place
• 34:52
  with like, cool shit. Yeah, dude, Florida, Florida.
• 34:55
  What would I do? Fuck, I'm going to do a fucking
• 34:57
  concept album about cups of tea. You can fucking me and the royal
• 35:02
  family. That's not cool.
• 35:04
  That's fuck, is it? You ever think about Because I
• 35:07
  saw you. Last time I saw you play was
• 35:09
  Sonic Temple last year and you had the pyro.
• 35:14
  Yeah, we like to do that. That was fucking sick.
• 35:17
  You're going to get a big gaiter on stage.
• 35:19
  Like the inflatable thing, I feel like the inflatable thing's
• 35:22
  already coming gone. Is that gone?
• 35:23
  I, I mean, it's, it's awesome, but it's, it's the OK, here we
• 35:27
  are. We're back to the trend thing.
• 35:28
  You're fucking you by the by the time you're in bed and now
• 35:32
  you're out of. It well, I'm just saying by the
• 35:33
  time it's cool, it's tired. You know what I mean?
• 35:35
  And I'm not saying anyone doing it is tired right now.
• 35:37
  I'm just saying, you know, by the time we would do it and go
• 35:41
  on tour, it's like, well, the inflatable thing has been being
• 35:43
  done for a while. Obviously, like Slaughters
• 35:46
  Prevail has a massive Gator or massive bear on stage, massive
• 35:51
  bear on stage and it looks insane.
• 35:54
  Yeah, how I don't know how we're going to top that.
• 35:56
  So we're we're definitely cooking for our think.
• 35:59
  About someone doing something different.
• 36:01
  Yeah. Well, we we just like, I think a
• 36:03
  big thing that we wanted to do with this new, like I'm going to
• 36:06
  call it era of wage wars. Like we wanted to create a world
• 36:09
  basically like this is the wage war world and this is what
• 36:13
  exists in it, whether that be visually Sonic or not, whatever.
• 36:15
  Yeah, literally called. Fart.
• 36:17
  Yeah, legitimately. And I mean, what's more metal
• 36:20
  than swamps, dude? Like.
• 36:21
  Swamps are fucking cool. Yeah, it's super cool.
• 36:24
  And I was like, after looking around, I was like, I've never
• 36:26
  seen a band like latch on to this aesthetic or, you know,
• 36:31
  whatever you want to call it. Let me throw it one in.
• 36:34
  Get some airboats on stage. Bro you, we have already talked
• 36:37
  about it. Yeah, this is probably, I think
• 36:40
  maybe the 4th episode. I've talked about airboats
• 36:43
  because I'm like low key obsessed with.
• 36:44
  Them Have you been on one? Never even seen one in real
• 36:47
  life. Bro we got to do a downbeat
• 36:49
  episode on an airboat in the Everglades.
• 36:53
  I've only ever seen them from, like, Teenage Mutant Ninja
• 36:57
  Turtles when I was a kid. Yeah.
• 36:59
  And, like, I can't remember where it first started.
• 37:02
  I remembered they existed when Honeycutt was on here, when Kuba
• 37:05
  come on here the first time, whenever he was talking about
• 37:07
  some being afraid of water or something, we got onto it.
• 37:10
  Yeah. Adding an air boat.
• 37:12
  That was a fucking good impression, by the way.
• 37:14
  Yeah, that's right. And I was like, what's an air
• 37:15
  boat? And then explained it and I was
• 37:16
  like, yeah. Dude no water no problem, you
• 37:19
  can just scoot that thing anywhere you want to go air.
• 37:22
  Boats on stage? What about snakeskin shit?
• 37:26
  Yeah, dude, we're, we're in. You're in.
• 37:28
  You're already. We're already thinking about.
• 37:30
  It don't worry bro, we got it. Snakeskin kit.
• 37:33
  That's so sick. Yeah, you know what I was
• 37:35
  thinking about the other day? How sick the Vinnie Paul's
• 37:37
  signature scenario is. The one with the.
• 37:39
  Fucking the snake, the scales on it.
• 37:41
  So sick. Yeah, bro.
• 37:43
  But yeah, it's it's all kind of I I would call it like a
• 37:48
  somewhat of like an identity piece for wage war, which is
• 37:50
  cool to have. We call, I'm calling it like
• 37:53
  record 5 1/2 obviously because it's an EP and not like a full
• 37:56
  length, but we're really excited about it.
• 38:00
  It's 5 songs that I feel like are very like true to where the
• 38:05
  band is right now and I think they're all pretty different
• 38:07
  flavors. I think it leans heavier.
• 38:12
  I would probably say. I would say it's probably the
• 38:14
  heaviest thing we put out as like a body of work, but still
• 38:17
  has like, you know, the things that you would come to expect
• 38:20
  from the band. But yeah, I think we're all
• 38:24
  really, really excited about it. Did you make a conscious
• 38:27
  decision to make it an EP or were you just writing songs and?
• 38:31
  Yeah, no, I, I, we actually didn't just working towards the
• 38:35
  full length and I worked out, I worked a lot last year just in
• 38:39
  like secret or whatever, just, you know, back and forth to LA
• 38:43
  or here or whatever. And, you know, I probably since
• 38:47
  like last April and we have like a really good amount of songs
• 38:52
  even now, but as we just were looking at timelines and like
• 38:56
  release and like when do we want to get this out?
• 38:59
  You know, obviously no time better than the present for
• 39:01
  anything. And, you know, as music develops
• 39:04
  and things develop, like there's nothing worse than having a
• 39:06
  really good idea and seeing someone do it right before you
• 39:10
  did or, you know, like, I'm, you know, sitting on this song
• 39:13
  concept or song title for a long time and then that song comes
• 39:17
  out and some big band just put down a song with that song
• 39:19
  title. You know, like that kind of
• 39:20
  stuff happens all the time. But I think for me, like, I just
• 39:22
  started looking at the songs that we had and I was like, I
• 39:25
  would love to get these out as soon as possible.
• 39:26
  We have so many good ideas around them.
• 39:28
  These feel cohesive. And so we just kind of started
• 39:31
  dreaming up this EP probably like late last year.
• 39:34
  And we're just have been, you know, blown through walls trying
• 39:39
  to make it happen. And we now have made it happen.
• 39:42
  So yeah, it just kind of is a it's a collection of songs that
• 39:47
  we have that just all felt good together and felt like a good
• 39:51
  snapshot and we just wanted to get new material out, you know
• 39:54
  what I mean? Do you have more than these five
• 39:57
  songs? Then bang.
• 39:57
  Oh yeah, I have. I have the most I have ever had.
• 40:01
  So this. Isn't going to slow you down.
• 40:02
  I'm not slowed down. No, it's no, it's just, it's
• 40:05
  just here. It's here for now.
• 40:06
  Before we talk about your songwriting career, because it's
• 40:09
  fucking crazy how many songs you've written, tell me about
• 40:13
  the mobile rig. I love the good tech.
• 40:16
  Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's pretty simple.
• 40:18
  I have a Pelican 1510 which is like the, you know, the very.
• 40:23
  Carry on, size. The very standard carry on size.
• 40:26
  Yep, I've cut all the foam out. I have the IK Multimedia I loud
• 40:31
  speakers, which I'm sure you've seen.
• 40:32
  Yeah, I have an Apollo Solo. Nice.
• 40:37
  I have an SM7B with a cloud lifter.
• 40:42
  I have but I've got a DB. Bro you don't need that cloud
• 40:45
  lifter. Oh, is that what that is on?
• 40:47
  This cloud lifter inside. Oh, OK, interesting.
• 40:51
  Yeah, OK, now. On the bottom it's the same mic
• 40:54
  but oh wow put the gain in anyway, sorry.
• 40:56
  OK, now good to know. Sure.
• 40:58
  Plug they did pay me and now they don't pay me anymore so.
• 41:01
  Get pay this man, he just sounds me.
• 41:03
  Still great. It's still great.
• 41:04
  It's fucking awesome. I.
• 41:05
  Have a pair of DT Seven 70's, the headphones, yeah, for good
• 41:10
  reference. And then I've got some Mogami
• 41:13
  cables so that in case I track anything final, it's the
• 41:16
  cleanest signal I can do. I can have the power for all
• 41:19
  that stuff. Extension cables and then yeah,
• 41:22
  just grab a guitar from the boat if I want to.
• 41:25
  Straight into MacBook. Straight into MacBook, yeah.
• 41:27
  Logic. Logic Pro X Yeah.
• 41:29
  What are you using for drums? I have like a Frankenstein set
• 41:32
  up right now. I got a bunch of stuff around
• 41:35
  it. I think I have Steven Slate
• 41:36
  symbols. I've been using a snare that I
• 41:40
  got from Stevens when he recorded drums his past time.
• 41:44
  I pulled it that we got it sounds.
• 41:46
  He got the DW, so he just got that.
• 41:48
  Sounds incredible. So I've been using that.
• 41:52
  My kick is like a blend. I think I've been using one of
• 41:55
  Buster Oldham's kicks and then Tom's are from the Gojira kit.
• 42:02
  The. Mixwave One.
• 42:03
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let this sounds busy.
• 42:05
  Let me. Just hook it up if you got, if
• 42:08
  you got the one stop. I I've I've been to, I've been
• 42:10
  through a lot of one stop shops and I've just have never found
• 42:13
  the like. Let me tell you.
• 42:15
  'Cause I like the Do you like route all your stuff out or do
• 42:18
  you just keep it in one? I don't ever mix anything so the
• 42:25
  wank it wonder is just like it's in there mixed sounds fucking
• 42:31
  awesome yeah you can I'm. Familiar with that one.
• 42:33
  I have a bunch of the other kids.
• 42:35
  So the new one, mine's the first one that you can actually route
• 42:39
  out the wank it wonder and you can change stuff as far as I'm
• 42:43
  aware. Yeah, I feel like there.
• 42:44
  The way you had to do it earlier was like kind of squirrelly if I
• 42:47
  remember. Correctly, this one is the same
• 42:49
  as modern and massive or anything.
• 42:51
  And one my bones that I had to pick with all symbol drum
• 42:56
  libraries was the symbols. And I actually don't think it's
• 43:00
  for the most part. I don't think it's the fault of
• 43:03
  the drama or the engineer or even the mixer.
• 43:07
  I honestly think it's symbol choice.
• 43:08
  I like I pull up a like a plug in and I'm like, what it?
• 43:13
  Why have you got that as the crash?
• 43:15
  So like I just used my setup which is when I moved to
• 43:20
  Zildjian, I went send me everything and then let me just
• 43:23
  pick and then I picked what I think for metal anyway is the
• 43:26
  best symbol. I think Steven has your ride and
• 43:32
  it rocks. We used it a lot on the On the
• 43:35
  Record I. Think you might have used it
• 43:40
  when you played Sonic Temple? I think so, yeah, because I
• 43:43
  remember speaking to him afterwards.
• 43:44
  Yeah, You see, you're right. And I was like, no, but I heard
• 43:46
  you're right. It was fucking good.
• 43:47
  I was there. I just couldn't see it.
• 43:49
  That's my whole thing. Now.
• 43:50
  Whenever we go watch band, I'm like, yeah, it's fucking crazy.
• 43:54
  Like Wage War, Bad Omens, fucking Fallout Boy.
• 44:00
  Andy Hurley bought 4 Bought. Really.
• 44:03
  Paid for them. Loves it so much I've got a.
• 44:05
  Percentage off that. Let's go, dude.
• 44:07
  Let's fucking go. Yeah.
• 44:08
  Oh, I love doing that. You got any signature stuff?
• 44:11
  I don't. No, I really don't, dear
• 44:14
  endorsers. Would you do 1?
• 44:17
  I would love to, yeah, I, I switched to ESP guitars not too
• 44:22
  long ago and we've had the conversation.
• 44:24
  We just haven't found the the right timing or whatever.
• 44:27
  But I'm like a huge James Hetfield fan, so I'm just doing
• 44:30
  anything that I can to replicate like 91 through 94 Hetfield, you
• 44:36
  know what I mean? When he was like a wolf and man
• 44:38
  guitar and the, you know, all that, all that cool stuff.
• 44:42
  All I play are his. Are his signatures that yeah, I
• 44:45
  play the snake bite, which are just headfield signatures.
• 44:50
  I remember the end of the last time we did this that these guys
• 44:54
  didn't see. I realize that you like
• 44:56
  Metallica as much as me. So.
• 44:58
  The end of this, I got a little Metallica fun there, OK.
• 45:02
  Because this might as well. Do you know the story?
• 45:05
  They already know the story. This was going to be a Metallica
• 45:07
  podcast, really. The downbeat was going to be
• 45:10
  cold and Justice for Lars, and it was going to be me talking to
• 45:14
  other musicians about Metallica, but based on the fact that I
• 45:19
  fucking love Lars Ulrich. Yeah.
• 45:21
  The good and the bad. Like, I just think he's the
• 45:24
  fucking man. Yeah.
• 45:26
  And then I can't remember. I think I'm recording one
• 45:28
  episode. And then we didn't talk about
• 45:32
  laws as much as I wanted to. And I was like, I guess this is
• 45:34
  just a music podcast and that's what happened.
• 45:35
  But it was going to be. I feel like at first there was a
• 45:38
  lot of drummers, right? And then it has blossomed into
• 45:41
  just anyone that you know, like. Still fighting the stigma.
• 45:45
  Yeah, I'm fighting the drum podcast stigma.
• 45:49
  It's still really hard to do, especially with press agents.
• 45:51
  Yeah. Well, your logo is drumsticks.
• 45:54
  That's the fucking problem. But like Nike, that's not a
• 45:58
  shoe. Yeah, is it?
• 46:00
  What's that supposed to be? You don't see a Nike logo.
• 46:03
  I. Think it makes sense for you
• 46:04
  though, because you're like a you're like a one in a million
• 46:06
  drummer so why would it not be? Thanks bro.
• 46:08
  Why would it not be? If nothing else, you're a
• 46:10
  drummer, but you talk about you have so much more knowledge
• 46:13
  other than just drums, so. I just love music.
• 46:16
  Yeah. Do you want to know something
• 46:18
  funny about that logo? Yeah, I own the copyright for.
• 46:24
  To a Pedagram. Made of drumsticks.
• 46:26
  Wow. I own that copyright because
• 46:29
  someone, shortly after I did the podcast, someone started another
• 46:33
  podcast. I'm not going to say it was
• 46:34
  because we're boys now. And it had a drumstick pentagram
• 46:38
  on it. And I was like, no, no, no, no,
• 46:40
  I started this. Sorry.
• 46:41
  Like I spent 7 grand copyrighting it.
• 46:45
  Yeah. And when I copyrighted it just
• 46:47
  because, you know, it's iconic. And but like now secretly I'm
• 46:52
  like, all I want is like some drum company, one of the big
• 46:55
  ones that don't sponsor me ideally come out with like a
• 46:59
  range of metal symbols or whatever and they've got a
• 47:04
  pentagram drumstick on them. And they got to come to you.
• 47:07
  Yeah, and I'll wait until it's all done and they're all sold
• 47:10
  and I go, Oh yeah, yeah. Do you want anywhere you?
• 47:16
  Just walk in with the home alone, just the the other
• 47:18
  fingers together. Cease and desist or give me
• 47:21
  money. That's not why I did it.
• 47:23
  But anyway, you write music for everyone off the top of my head.
• 47:29
  Slash my notes. Wage war.
• 47:31
  You write the music for wage war.
• 47:33
  ADTRFIRTGI Fridays. Hardy Jelly roll Am I missing
• 47:42
  anyone? Who else am I missing?
• 47:44
  I've had some. I've had some songs with Memphis
• 47:47
  May Fire, We Came as Romans, Pop Evil.
• 47:51
  I mean, it's a lot. It's a lot, yeah.
• 47:54
  It's a lot like, do you just write at all times and then
• 48:00
  think this will be good for this artist and pitch it, or do you
• 48:04
  get called to make the court to make the song and then write for
• 48:08
  that artist? How does it work?
• 48:09
  Yeah, I mean, it's kind of always different.
• 48:11
  Like I I I have different roles in different scenarios, you know
• 48:15
  what I mean? I kind of started like my start
• 48:18
  in songwriting, at least outside songwriting was just like I was
• 48:22
  the riff guy, you know what I mean?
• 48:23
  Like for a Day to Remember was the first like outside band that
• 48:28
  I worked with. And this is even pre dating like
• 48:31
  wage war. We were just from the same
• 48:34
  hometown and I got a call from Jeremy one day and they were
• 48:36
  working on common courtesy, you know, like, hey, like we've been
• 48:40
  sitting on this song forever, Like, and we were a local band
• 48:44
  at the time. And I think he something
• 48:46
  something along the effects of like they had heard our band and
• 48:48
  like these risks are sick. Would you want to come like take
• 48:50
  a stab at this? Whatever, Like, sure.
• 48:51
  So you know, I drove down. It's cool.
• 48:53
  It's awesome, awesome, awesome. That's like a story you don't
• 48:56
  hear anymore. Yeah, Do they?
• 48:57
  I have. I have nothing but incredible
• 48:59
  things to say about about the Day to remember guys.
• 49:03
  They really, I'd have them to think a lot, specifically
• 49:07
  Jeremy, for for where my life is today in the songwriting aspect.
• 49:12
  But yeah, so I drove down there and we ended up working on a
• 49:16
  song that was called Sometimes You're the Hammer, Sometimes
• 49:18
  You're the Nail, which was on that record.
• 49:22
  And that was kind of the start of it.
• 49:25
  And then Fast forward, I worked on Bad Vibrations as well
• 49:31
  somewhere in there in 2018. And that was probably 20.
• 49:37
  I don't know what year that record was.
• 49:38
  I think it was before Wage War was anything though.
• 49:41
  And then I think my understanding of this story is
• 49:44
  correct. But we were on Warp tour on 2018
• 49:48
  and I think Ronnie had heard the Stitch riff and was like, I
• 49:52
  think he had talked to his management, who was our
• 49:54
  management at the time. He's like, well, who wrote that
• 49:56
  riff? I love that.
• 49:57
  And it's a oh, it's actually one of our clients, like that's Cody
• 50:00
  from wage war and that's how I got connected with him.
• 50:03
  And then we did popular monster, which my section is just the
• 50:06
  breakdown of that kind of that song.
• 50:10
  And so that's kind of how like I started.
• 50:11
  It's just kind of like the riff guy.
• 50:13
  And then as things have progressed, like, you know, I'm
• 50:16
  I'm still just like the riff guy, you know, for a lot of the
• 50:19
  falling stuff. And then, you know, day to
• 50:22
  remember has kind of like I do, I do do a lot of riff stuff
• 50:25
  there, but have also been able to like be a songwriter in there
• 50:28
  with like, you know, melodies and lyrics and stuff for like
• 50:31
  Memphis May Fire, for example, Like Kellen is an absolute
• 50:35
  musical genius, produces, you know, writes all the music
• 50:39
  incredible. And Matt, who is also an
• 50:41
  incredibly talented writer and singer, him and I just tackle
• 50:44
  vocals together. So I have nothing to do with the
• 50:46
  musical side of that. That's just the complete flip of
• 50:49
  the coin for me. How do these?
• 50:50
  Guitarists feel about like we're going to call him the riff guy
• 50:54
  for this one. It's weird.
• 50:56
  Like for me, I guess. I don't even.
• 50:58
  I don't. Yeah, I think.
• 50:59
  Music is just so different these days.
• 51:01
  Like, yeah, I can't think of the last, like, band.
• 51:05
  It certainly isn't our band. We've like, never got in a room
• 51:08
  and like, jammed, you know what I mean?
• 51:10
  Like everything is always done on a computer.
• 51:13
  Everything's always demoed out. And I think it's just easier
• 51:16
  that way. And I think songs are have
• 51:18
  changed, like, you know, sometimes it is good to like go
• 51:21
  jam something in a room or whatever.
• 51:23
  Again, I really can't speak to that because everything I've
• 51:25
  ever done is on a computer. But yeah, I mean, I think it's
• 51:28
  kind of just like when you start thinking about guitar parts as
• 51:31
  like part of the melody in the song now.
• 51:34
  Like the main riff to me is just as important as as the chorus.
• 51:40
  And that's what I hope people always take away from Wage War
• 51:43
  songs is that, yeah, like, the song is sick.
• 51:46
  But the riff, like, you know what I mean?
• 51:47
  Like, when it comes back, it's like it's written to be
• 51:50
  something that you remember. And so that makes it so it's not
• 51:54
  just like, all right, cool. Like here in Nashville, they got
• 51:56
  session guys, right? That'll just roll in.
• 51:58
  Here's a song, they listen to it twice, play something over it
• 52:01
  and get out of there. Like, I feel like rock is so
• 52:03
  much more concentrated. So it sometimes does.
• 52:06
  It sometimes does take more than that.
• 52:08
  And I would also die on the hill.
• 52:10
  And I'm I'm not putting myself above anyone else because I
• 52:14
  think this is, I think writing music, you know, I do think it's
• 52:18
  a gift, but I do think it's something that can be learned
• 52:20
  and can be practiced. And just because you're an
• 52:23
  incredible musician doesn't mean you're a songwriter.
• 52:26
  And if you don't exercise that muscle, then you're not going to
• 52:29
  have the same capabilities as someone who does that.
• 52:31
  And so I think that's the other side of that coin or the other
• 52:33
  side of that is that just because you're a shredded guitar
• 52:36
  doesn't mean that you're going to write the part that or Jeremy
• 52:39
  calls it the crowd go woo riff, you know what I mean?
• 52:43
  The riff that as soon as it starts, you know, I mean,
• 52:45
  Architects obviously has a million of them, but like, can
• 52:48
  just stand alone, you know what I mean?
• 52:50
  I guess also it's getting another ear on something that
• 52:55
  you've probably been bashing your head against the wall with.
• 52:58
  Like where the fuck is this song Go.
• 53:00
  Yeah, being able to bring it to someone else and go, where do
• 53:03
  you think this song goes? Because we like what you
• 53:05
  normally do. And then you go, oh, it goes
• 53:07
  like this. And they go, oh, yes, it does.
• 53:10
  That's why I'm always I'm big on people getting people using a
• 53:15
  producer every time a band is like either self produced or
• 53:22
  there are exceptions, but like self produced or yes man
• 53:26
  producer. Yeah, I really feel like it's
• 53:29
  just why don't you just get one other person, you know?
• 53:32
  Yes, yes, no, that bit sucks. Yeah, I love him to death.
• 53:36
  Favorite band of all time. Fucking Metallica.
• 53:39
  Please just just go in with someone.
• 53:42
  Yeah, there's I love all Metallica.
• 53:45
  I was talking about this the other day.
• 53:46
  Like load and reload I'm in I'm still in on load and relay OK.
• 53:50
  I have I have some, I have some pics from those but.
• 53:53
  But like imagine I just went to fucking will partner.
• 53:59
  That would be crazy dude. I think about it all the time.
• 54:02
  Yeah, that would go absolutely insane because.
• 54:04
  He has exactly the right level of like slightly autistic to
• 54:09
  look James Hetfield and Larsa Rick in the eye and go.
• 54:14
  And say no. That riff sucks.
• 54:16
  And then they'd be like, Bob Brock would never have done
• 54:20
  this. Honestly, I was, I was flipping
• 54:23
  through 72 seasons not that long ago.
• 54:26
  I was just was like, I mean, it's a great.
• 54:28
  It's the best in a while. It's great.
• 54:30
  I mean, I like Death Magnetic too.
• 54:32
  Like I really mean Hardwired was great.
• 54:34
  Like they're all great records. It's crazy that people don't.
• 54:37
  I mean, it's it's like we do it too to our favorite bands, but
• 54:40
  it's like it's crazy that people don't look at them as like look
• 54:43
  at those records as like adorned as the old stuff, because in
• 54:46
  some cases they are maybe some of the better Metallica songs.
• 54:50
  The riffs are still cool. I don't know if it's like AI
• 54:53
  don't I think it's just a time capsule thing.
• 54:55
  And it's the same thing with, you know, people do it to us all
• 54:59
  the time or it's just like, well, your first record was your
• 55:01
  best record. And I was like, I can guarantee
• 55:04
  you our first record was not our best record.
• 55:06
  You just liked the way that this song made you feel.
• 55:10
  And that's what I'm doing. When, Yeah, when you were 16
• 55:13
  and, you know, were, you know, making out for the first time in
• 55:17
  a car or something. I don't know like.
• 55:18
  To wage wool. To wage yeah you for show me but
• 55:24
  I I do feel like that's kind of how people when people say oh,
• 55:28
  their old stuff is better something I feel like it's more
• 55:30
  of a feeling than the thing but. Now you're making me feel bad
• 55:33
  about. No, don't feel bad.
• 55:34
  I do. I do it to, I do it to, I do it
• 55:37
  to my favorite bands too, and for no good reason.
• 55:39
  I, it's, it's just like, it's like a human psyche thing to me.
• 55:43
  It's interesting. It's interesting, but like now I
• 55:45
  pissed myself off because it annoys me.
• 55:49
  You know why it annoys me? Actually, I reckon out of the
• 55:53
  people that say your first album was the best, I think 50 of
• 55:58
  those 50% of those people actually believe that for
• 56:01
  nostalgia reasons, like you say. Yeah.
• 56:04
  And then you've got another 50% of people.
• 56:05
  And this is where my hatred is directed.
• 56:08
  And those 50% of people just want you and other people to
• 56:12
  know that they knew the band at that time.
• 56:15
  Yeah. Because this gatekeeping.
• 56:17
  There's so many people that are like and it only since Stray
• 56:21
  broke up like Stray we tried infinite times to put their old
• 56:25
  shit in the set because it's fun every time bombed.
• 56:29
  No one can yes dude look at the fucking streaming figures.
• 56:33
  I've got the fucking figures here. 500 people listened to
• 56:37
  that song last month and everyone and like we would try
• 56:41
  and play them live didn't work. So it's like, OK, we'll only
• 56:43
  play from when I joined onwards, which obviously I'm happy with
• 56:47
  that, but like, because not because of me, but that's when
• 56:52
  people started to care about fucking straight because we took
• 56:53
  a lot of fucking good tours. Yeah.
• 56:55
  And then we split up, and I just saw so many people that just
• 56:59
  would never have come to a straight show in their life.
• 57:01
  Like, yeah, they peeked at this album.
• 57:03
  It's like, I can tell you, statistically, you didn't listen
• 57:07
  to that album in the last fucking 10 years.
• 57:10
  Yeah, just shut up. It's the vocal minority dude.
• 57:13
  We do the same thing on our last tour we're like oh dude this is
• 57:16
  going to be the banger block. We played like 3 or 4 songs from
• 57:19
  Dead Weight, which I I feel like is our adorned like Reddit metal
• 57:23
  core adorned album or whatever we played.
• 57:26
  We like start the set on the new stuff and then we like kind of
• 57:28
  dip down to this part. We like played the intro 1st 2
• 57:31
  songs like it was perfect. That was the whole time.
• 57:36
  Like people just like silence, you know what I mean?
• 57:39
  Like. Not even like there's not even
• 57:41
  one guy going nuts. Even one guy was going nuts for
• 57:45
  fucking negative and violent or whatever.
• 57:48
  I'd be like I was sick. That was like 1.
• 57:50
  Of the guys that was for comments, no the.
• 57:51
  Guy that left the comments wasn't at the fucking show.
• 57:53
  No, so annoying. He's got Cheeto dust on his
• 57:56
  fingers at home. He's typing.
• 57:58
  Yeah, top commenter. Top commenter said the craziest
• 58:02
  thing possible. Don't get me.
• 58:05
  Started. I can't.
• 58:07
  I fucking. I know.
• 58:08
  I can't catch a fucking break in that place.
• 58:11
  It's funny though, because I think now every time I'm brought
• 58:15
  up, there's just like there's 2 two parties, yeah, people to
• 58:19
  fuck with me and always fuck with me.
• 58:22
  People that don't never fucked with me, but now I have a reason
• 58:26
  to not fuck with me. Yeah, and it's just funny to see
• 58:29
  like the reaches people make. Yeah, it's, it's exhausting,
• 58:32
  dude. It's.
• 58:33
  Kind of sick though. Like I like read it and I'm
• 58:36
  like, this is awesome. Like what are you doing with all
• 58:38
  day? I'm just like sat on my fucking
• 58:41
  bed and what am I going to do today somehow when I'm like
• 58:45
  vaping and drinking a monster? And then so this guy's so pissed
• 58:49
  off about me, I was kind of fucking sick.
• 58:51
  Yeah, taking up space and they're in their head.
• 58:54
  I think about it though, I think that's why I deleted Twitter
• 58:58
  because my part of my brain just wants to like fuel the fire with
• 59:04
  shit. Twitter is so cancerous, dude.
• 59:07
  And it's like such an awful platform.
• 59:10
  And yeah, I don't, I can't even remember the last time that I
• 59:15
  went on Twitter. I deleted it for the sake of my
• 59:18
  band mates when Stray was still a thing because I wanted to
• 59:23
  tweet crazy shit. I didn't, I didn't necessarily
• 59:26
  believe in, but people was like whatever saying yeah, it's.
• 59:29
  Like satire? Kind of.
• 59:30
  Yeah. And I was like, I know satire
• 59:32
  doesn't exist on the net, but I was like, I could say some
• 59:34
  fucking insane shit right now and it would go crazy.
• 59:38
  And then I was like close to doing it.
• 59:39
  And I was like, I'm just going to delete this for the sake of
• 59:41
  everyone else. But now could be back.
• 59:45
  I'm going enough time. I did the maths.
• 59:50
  I don't make any money from Twitter.
• 59:52
  Yeah. It just brings me psychological
• 59:55
  damage. Oh yeah.
• 59:56
  So like if I'd fucking post a dumb story about my day on
• 1:00:01
  Instagram, 9 times out of 10 someone goes and buys AT shirt.
• 1:00:05
  Not why I'm doing it, but like that you can see the funnel.
• 1:00:08
  Like where did that sale come from?
• 1:00:09
  Oh, it came from Instagram at this time.
• 1:00:11
  I'm like, oh, that's cool. That's worth being a fucking
• 1:00:14
  dumb dumb on Instagram for Twitter.
• 1:00:16
  Anytime you post a link or any of that shit doesn't even
• 1:00:20
  fucking they're like no, no one gets to see that.
• 1:00:22
  You must post hatred. Yeah, dude, I could talk.
• 1:00:25
  About this all day. I don't want to.
• 1:00:26
  Yeah, the haters are real. We know they exist.
• 1:00:29
  I can't above it, baby. Or above it.
• 1:00:31
  I can't help wanting to give them more ammo though, just to
• 1:00:35
  see it go nuts. Dude, I think on our last
• 1:00:38
  record, I finally like shed, shed the hate Cape.
• 1:00:43
  Like really? Yeah, I'm I've been a chronic
• 1:00:46
  comment reader my entire life. I mean, as as anyone does who,
• 1:00:51
  you know, when you're creating and you put something out there
• 1:00:53
  for people to consume, obviously it feels good when people like
• 1:00:58
  it, but it also hurts 10 times worse when people don't.
• 1:01:01
  And I think for a long time, I like put a lot of self worth in
• 1:01:04
  that kind of things. Or I don't even see people like
• 1:01:05
  make personal comments like about me or like how I looked at
• 1:01:09
  certain points of my life or whatever, which is just insane.
• 1:01:13
  And I think I finally on the last record, like we put out the
• 1:01:18
  like really melodic song first, which was a choice for sure.
• 1:01:22
  And again, just for the sake of like shaking things up, 'cause
• 1:01:25
  you know how many bands, it's like, all right, here's the
• 1:01:28
  first single. It's really heavy.
• 1:01:30
  And you know what I mean? Like there's formulas to all
• 1:01:32
  that stuff. So we were like, OK, cool.
• 1:01:34
  Like let's, you know, let's put this out.
• 1:01:37
  Obviously people it was like super down the middle, you know
• 1:01:40
  what I mean? Where it's like people who loved
• 1:01:41
  it and people were just like, what is this crap?
• 1:01:44
  I can't even believe this is wage war, you know what I mean?
• 1:01:46
  And as if we have never put out a song like that in our lives.
• 1:01:50
  Like, you know, the other stuff exists, but I think.
• 1:01:54
  And then Magnetic went on to be like a, you know, it went #1 on
• 1:01:58
  the radio. It's like still the highest
• 1:02:00
  streaming song on that record. Like, you know, one of our
• 1:02:03
  fastest like made history for the band, but at inception
• 1:02:06
  people were like so pissed and like saying really awful things
• 1:02:11
  about how you know the best, the best complaint of all time, how
• 1:02:15
  generic it was and yadda, yadda, yadda.
• 1:02:17
  But I finally was just like I was.
• 1:02:20
  So I still am so proud of that song and record and it did
• 1:02:25
  awesome things for us. And but that was definitely the
• 1:02:28
  most, like, critical anyone has ever been, which is a good thing
• 1:02:33
  because I think if you're not getting talked about and if you
• 1:02:35
  just put out a record, everyone goes, yeah, then you didn't do
• 1:02:38
  it right. You know what I mean?
• 1:02:38
  Yeah. And so I think I finally just
• 1:02:40
  was able to detach my worth from commenting.
• 1:02:46
  And so now like you can't really hurt me anymore on in comment
• 1:02:50
  sections because I'm not going to put anything out that I don't
• 1:02:52
  think is great. And if you don't think it's
• 1:02:54
  great, that's fine. It's just not for you.
• 1:02:56
  There would be a cause for the argument that the comments like
• 1:03:00
  that if you were making the music so it could go to #1 or so
• 1:03:05
  it could be more. But like, I know you just love a
• 1:03:07
  fucking chorus. Your boy just loves big, old
• 1:03:10
  big. Fucking sing song.
• 1:03:12
  Yeah, I I love it, dude. Yeah, it's not.
• 1:03:15
  I don't think I have ever written a targeted song.
• 1:03:18
  You know what I mean? Except now you're trying to get
• 1:03:20
  away from things so you're kind of sure anti targeting.
• 1:03:24
  Yeah, I I have anti targets. Yeah, more than anything, it's
• 1:03:26
  just like, if it's cool though, I will literally start a song
• 1:03:29
  and like I'll vibe check it with the guys and they're like, if
• 1:03:32
  this sounds like any, any of these whatever references that I
• 1:03:35
  have, I'm like, I don't want to do it.
• 1:03:37
  I want to make the choice that is not that way.
• 1:03:40
  I had a conversation with someone recently about like
• 1:03:44
  press at festivals and I think the same my solution I think the
• 1:03:50
  same would apply to music critics and also music critic
• 1:03:59
  commenters. I couldn't really police this,
• 1:04:02
  but my idea for press was in order to do in order to access
• 1:04:07
  the Press 10 festival there would be a a tab A5150.
• 1:04:16
  I like where this is going. Noise gate A tuner.
• 1:04:20
  And a tube screamer. A tube screamer and some cables
• 1:04:23
  on the floor and you have to and a guitar and to get into press,
• 1:04:29
  to set up, to do your press, you have to set all of that up and
• 1:04:34
  make it make a noise and then you're allowed in and then you
• 1:04:38
  can comment on the music. How do we get that going?
• 1:04:41
  If someone talks shit about me and they're like an incredible
• 1:04:44
  musician or whatever, I'm like, fair enough.
• 1:04:46
  Yeah, fair enough. But like, if you don't know how
• 1:04:51
  to do what I do, not that I play the guitar, but I was, I was
• 1:04:53
  trying to think about one of the most complex things that Drama
• 1:04:59
  should still be able to do. Whatever guitar you don't know
• 1:05:02
  how to fucking turn on the fucking amp then shut the fuck.
• 1:05:07
  Up well, the next level is whether you're giving them a
• 1:05:09
  power supply or whether they need to put 9 volts in the
• 1:05:11
  pedals. That's where that's what
• 1:05:12
  separates the men. From the I'm OK with it just
• 1:05:16
  being a very basic noise. I would even be OK if it's just
• 1:05:19
  set up a 5150 to make it make noise because you would have
• 1:05:23
  Billy's blog trying to get into press and they're trying to ask
• 1:05:26
  you like, so the new album is a departure from the old stuff.
• 1:05:29
  This is in Germany, obviously, yeah.
• 1:05:31
  And that 5150 is there and it's on fucking standby.
• 1:05:36
  This motherfucker can't fucking. Why is it not working?
• 1:05:39
  And then it's like, you're out. Yeah, you are.
• 1:05:42
  That you're not in, You're gone. I like that, Yeah.
• 1:05:45
  The festival press can be super tough because sometimes you just
• 1:05:48
  get people that know absolutely nothing about you and say, well,
• 1:05:50
  then what are we doing here? Not why not to be.
• 1:05:53
  Yeah. Not that I'm too good for
• 1:05:54
  anything, but when they're like, trying to figure out who your
• 1:05:58
  band is during the interview, you're like, you don't even
• 1:06:00
  really want to interview us. You just so you know what I
• 1:06:04
  mean. I'm like, I'm quite excited
• 1:06:06
  because this is the first year that the downbeats doing
• 1:06:09
  festivals. Yeah.
• 1:06:10
  And it's I had one clause. I'm not going in the festival
• 1:06:16
  press bit. I'm not going there.
• 1:06:17
  I need my own little room that I can set up like this and I can
• 1:06:20
  do actual podcast. But I'm going to get to see what
• 1:06:25
  the arrangements like, which I'm quite excited about because if
• 1:06:29
  it's oh, you really do just get handed whoever, then OK, I'm
• 1:06:34
  going to have a little bit of lenience for when people don't
• 1:06:37
  know who you are because it's kind of a waste of everyone's
• 1:06:42
  time when you turn up. They don't know who you fucking
• 1:06:44
  are. But like, if it is OK, put down
• 1:06:47
  on a list who you're doing or if I have to advance who I want to
• 1:06:50
  do in advance and you know, these people are just fucking
• 1:06:54
  blasting shot and just being like, I'll just take anyone.
• 1:06:57
  I'll just say I'll just sit down, right.
• 1:06:58
  Who are you then? And then I will know.
• 1:07:01
  We've definitely been in a couple of those scenarios.
• 1:07:03
  Women's changing the game, though.
• 1:07:05
  There's a whole big thing like that first Sonic temple that was
• 1:07:09
  the first women I ever went to was the Sonic temple you guys
• 1:07:12
  played and I was like, this is fucking incredible.
• 1:07:15
  This is like. You're the best in.
• 1:07:17
  This is like someone went to Europe and when this is great,
• 1:07:21
  some things could be better and then took it back to the States
• 1:07:24
  and then made those things better.
• 1:07:26
  That it's they are by far the most well run festival.
• 1:07:31
  What do we do? Last year we did Louder Than
• 1:07:34
  Life, which was incredible. I think that was the biggest
• 1:07:37
  rock festival on US soil to date.
• 1:07:41
  I think it was like 75,000 people, 75 or 85,000 people sold
• 1:07:44
  out, which is crazy. Yeah, that's like raining
• 1:07:47
  festival in the UK. Which is second biggest one?
• 1:07:50
  Dude, it was huge. Yeah.
• 1:07:52
  I mean Rockville, which is always like the home play for
• 1:07:54
  us. I can't believe Louder Than Life
• 1:07:57
  was that many people because being there and walking around,
• 1:07:59
  even in Gen. Pop didn't feel like a 7500
• 1:08:05
  thousand people festival. Like I was walking around
• 1:08:08
  easily. Yeah, stage to stage.
• 1:08:10
  It is pretty huge grounds though.
• 1:08:12
  But compare it to like a euro fest of that size and it's like
• 1:08:18
  making a nightmare to walk around.
• 1:08:20
  I can think of some off the top of my head.
• 1:08:21
  I'm not going to diss them, but you know what I mean?
• 1:08:24
  Yeah, fair play. I think that the the way you
• 1:08:27
  could get round from stage to stage in the backstage thing was
• 1:08:32
  just like so easy. Yeah, yeah, they've, they've
• 1:08:36
  definitely got to figure it out. Yeah, we we love playing those
• 1:08:39
  festivals. What else did you do last year?
• 1:08:41
  You did. You did.
• 1:08:43
  You did Rockville the year before.
• 1:08:44
  We did Rockville year before we did.
• 1:08:46
  Was that a big one for you? Like we were mainstage.
• 1:08:49
  Yeah, we were. That was our first mainstage
• 1:08:52
  slot. We played at like hometown
• 1:08:53
  kinda. Yeah.
• 1:08:54
  And then the year before we closed our stage, which was like
• 1:08:57
  a huge honour that we played. We closed the third stage and
• 1:09:00
  that was our first time doing fire ever, which was sick.
• 1:09:04
  And then pretty much anytime we do a Wimmer festival, we just
• 1:09:07
  decide to do fire. You end up losing money when you
• 1:09:11
  do the pyro. Depending on how much money you
• 1:09:13
  make yes, but we have very, very surely washed guarantees on
• 1:09:18
  production before winter festivals for sure just because
• 1:09:21
  I mean it's you know, it's the opportunity.
• 1:09:23
  I mean it needs to make sense, right?
• 1:09:24
  Like we we don't want to lose money doing something, but we we
• 1:09:28
  are no strangers to spending the money for to make the slot
• 1:09:33
  count. You know what I mean?
• 1:09:34
  Because, and I mean, here we go again.
• 1:09:37
  I mean, now everyone's doing fire.
• 1:09:39
  So, you know, not that we were the first ones to do it, but I
• 1:09:41
  think we were the first ones back on the bill to do it.
• 1:09:43
  Like fire is usually something that happens in the later of the
• 1:09:46
  night or whatever. But when you start looking at
• 1:09:48
  festivals like that, you know, your common concert goer that
• 1:09:51
  maybe doesn't know who wage war is happened to walk by and all
• 1:09:54
  of a sudden they see flames shoot off and then they're like,
• 1:09:57
  we got to watch this, you know what I mean?
• 1:09:58
  Like it's an immediate attraction thing, but now it
• 1:10:02
  seems like everyone is doing fire later in the day, which can
• 1:10:05
  be advantageous when you want to share with somebody that keeps
• 1:10:08
  costs down or whatever. But yeah, I I think it's a good
• 1:10:12
  way to keep, to like get attention early in the day And
• 1:10:16
  lights don't matter, right? Like getting a light package for
• 1:10:19
  4:00 PM in the day isn't going to do anything.
• 1:10:21
  No one's going. To see it so yeah, you.
• 1:10:22
  Might as well just spend it on the fire.
• 1:10:24
  Have people started hating on fire yet?
• 1:10:26
  I haven't really delved in the comments because it's so cool.
• 1:10:29
  We did. It's always going to be cool.
• 1:10:30
  It's been cool since Caveman. We did the most fire we've ever
• 1:10:33
  done at Warped Tour this past, like we did Orlando and we did
• 1:10:39
  like 8. They're called G flames, which
• 1:10:42
  are just the ones that shoot like straight up, yeah.
• 1:10:45
  And then we did where they're called, they're called like
• 1:10:49
  volcanoes or something, but it's one unit and it shoots like 3
• 1:10:54
  out. And we did two of those.
• 1:10:55
  So it was. It was hot.
• 1:10:57
  I've only ever played with a form of production like that
• 1:11:02
  once. It was in New Delhi, India.
• 1:11:06
  Wow, in 2010, my death metal band who were split up, some
• 1:11:13
  super rich guy from Delhi was like, hey, if I paid for
• 1:11:19
  everything and put a show on, would you reform to play a show
• 1:11:22
  in India? And we were all just like, yeah,
• 1:11:25
  fuck. Yeah, that's the sickest offer
• 1:11:26
  of all time. We reformed, we went.
• 1:11:28
  It was at the Institute of Technology in New Delhi.
• 1:11:32
  There was like 5000 people there.
• 1:11:34
  We headlined. We didn't have enough songs to
• 1:11:36
  headline, so I had to play like a massive drum solo.
• 1:11:39
  We played two songs. For 5 minutes.
• 1:11:42
  Pretty much it's on YouTube somewhere. 11 I did 1 We did one
• 1:11:48
  song twice and then we played the whole of Be a Man by Mulan
• 1:11:52
  as from the Mulan soundtrack as the yeah.
• 1:11:55
  So that killed like 8 minutes and so we managed to get it to
• 1:11:58
  an hour, but they had this like janky fucking homemade Indian
• 1:12:04
  pyro. It's like some dude with a
• 1:12:06
  Hairspray and a zip. Oh.
• 1:12:08
  It was fucking explosive, but it was like the craziest shit, like
• 1:12:12
  confetti cans and stuff. No, there was no guy.
• 1:12:16
  There was no like markings on the stage.
• 1:12:19
  Don't stand here. So there's like videos, You can
• 1:12:21
  see videos of it on the Internet and there's like fucking
• 1:12:24
  confetti cannon going off behind someone's face.
• 1:12:27
  Like here was kind of fucking sick.
• 1:12:29
  But I've never played with Pyro. I'd love to play with Pyro.
• 1:12:31
  It is easily like the coolest I have ever felt in my entire
• 1:12:35
  life. It is.
• 1:12:36
  It is an unmatched, it is an unmatched blast of serotonin to
• 1:12:41
  the Dome. It just feels like what all of
• 1:12:43
  your dreams are made of. Yeah, it's it's one of those
• 1:12:45
  things. Especially when it comes down on
• 1:12:47
  like a drop with like you know, a bass drop and a breakdown or
• 1:12:52
  something bro or A1 liner. It is just.
• 1:12:54
  I feel like it's still bucket list for me.
• 1:12:56
  That must be bucket. I thought I was running out of
• 1:12:58
  bucket list stuff, but playing on the stage with Pyro and South
• 1:13:02
  America, that's like the two. I guess that's the two playing
• 1:13:06
  ones I have left. Your time is coming bro, I know
• 1:13:09
  that you are absolutely about to shoo in with the biggest artist
• 1:13:12
  of all time. I hope so.
• 1:13:15
  Now your pyro dreams come in for sure.
• 1:13:18
  Active rock pyro Craig come in, come for me fucking comment
• 1:13:23
  section. I won't care because I'll be on
• 1:13:25
  a fucking. Active active rock.
• 1:13:28
  Craig sounds nuts, dude. A lot of four.
• 1:13:31
  Yeah, a lot of four on the floor.
• 1:13:33
  You better leave all those chops behind.
• 1:13:35
  It was fun. We need kick and snare every
• 1:13:38
  time. I wonder, I wonder what I would
• 1:13:40
  do. I don't think I'm getting asked
• 1:13:41
  to do anything. I think my time's gone now.
• 1:13:43
  I don't think I'm getting it. I would do massive, like
• 1:13:49
  anything. Yeah, or I'm going to do
• 1:13:51
  something crazy because I'm practicing a lot at the moment.
• 1:13:54
  I'm kind of getting really fucking good.
• 1:13:56
  I can't imagine what that means now.
• 1:13:58
  I've always thought you were good.
• 1:13:59
  I might do like my dream, my actual dream, and this comes
• 1:14:04
  back to me like I'm. I have an obsession with pissing
• 1:14:07
  people off like that. That's why I love stocking the
• 1:14:11
  flame whenever there's any shit. We are the opposite there, but.
• 1:14:14
  But like I want my next project for everyone to hate it.
• 1:14:22
  Wow like that's what I want. I don't know why either that
• 1:14:26
  it's so far from what I normally do that are like this fucking
• 1:14:29
  sucks. I got an idea, you should make
• 1:14:31
  it octane core. I mean, the office there and I'm
• 1:14:35
  going to get fucking shit loads of money.
• 1:14:36
  I'll fucking do it. I can be bought or it has to be
• 1:14:39
  like unlistenable prog is what I'm talking about.
• 1:14:43
  Like I want either it to be so fucking normal and I'm getting
• 1:14:48
  so fucking rich from it that everyone's like, do sucks.
• 1:14:51
  He sold out and I'll read the comments and go, yeah, I did.
• 1:14:54
  Or for it to be so Prague that everyone's like, this sucks.
• 1:14:59
  I don't understand it. Like dream there.
• 1:15:02
  Like I want to be in a fucking unlistenable version of dreams
• 1:15:06
  here just to piss people off. I don't know what's wrong with
• 1:15:11
  me. Wow.
• 1:15:11
  I don't know what it is. I think I don't care.
• 1:15:14
  Yeah, because I do this shit and this is just like, I like doing
• 1:15:17
  this. I like making T-shirts
• 1:15:19
  musically. I live to piss people off.
• 1:15:22
  I think that's cool. Is it?
• 1:15:23
  It's the it's probably the antithesis of me, but I like
• 1:15:27
  that idea. You, I mean, you're pissing
• 1:15:29
  people off by accident, yeah. I think I'm just like, I have a
• 1:15:33
  lot more fun with heavy music now than I used to.
• 1:15:37
  Like I, I, I feel like it used to be so serious and I, there's
• 1:15:42
  a time and place for that. And I'm not saying that we're
• 1:15:44
  writing like joke songs, but for instance, like you texted me
• 1:15:47
  earlier when I sang you the song and you're like, this is so
• 1:15:49
  heavy. It's hilarious.
• 1:15:51
  And like to me, that was the goal is to just listen to
• 1:15:54
  something so abrasive. It's like 3 minutes of just like
• 1:15:59
  what is going on, you know what I mean?
• 1:16:00
  And and to me, that's like, that's where I find joy in heavy
• 1:16:03
  music now is just like taking it to the next level and like
• 1:16:08
  having fun with it. You know what I mean?
• 1:16:10
  Have you got a billion streams yet across all of your things?
• 1:16:14
  I think so. How do you not know that?
• 1:16:17
  Can I see my phone again? Do you?
• 1:16:18
  Is there an app for that I see people sharing now?
• 1:16:21
  Yeah, it's February, so I have 4,227,938,600 streams.
• 1:16:29
  Holy shit across everything you've worked on?
• 1:16:32
  Yeah, that's not that is clearly not just wage war.
• 1:16:35
  You're on a percentage for all of those.
• 1:16:38
  Fuck yeah. How big is this pool?
• 1:16:43
  It's not very big. It's like.
• 1:16:44
  Salt water. No.
• 1:16:46
  Oh, I love fucking oligarchies. I should put, I should put
• 1:16:48
  Gators in there. I really should.
• 1:16:50
  Wow, that's a great idea. It's not very big.
• 1:16:52
  It's like 12 by 12 by 20. Did it come in the house?
• 1:16:57
  Yes I I want to say I did not want a pool and I bought my.
• 1:17:00
  We need to 4 billion streams pool guy.
• 1:17:03
  We need to, we need to set the stage here that I I am not a
• 1:17:07
  mansion, an owner with a pool. I bought a house that had a pool
• 1:17:11
  at a time when the market was down.
• 1:17:13
  So. I like to propagate the lie that
• 1:17:18
  4 million streams and you were like, I'm buying a mansion with
• 1:17:20
  a pool. You should have rolled with
• 1:17:22
  that. But you can tell them the truth.
• 1:17:24
  Yeah, yeah, it's honestly bro, having a pool sucks if you don't
• 1:17:31
  use the pool, and I don't really use the pool unless I'm having
• 1:17:33
  people over you. Gotta have a pool guy.
• 1:17:35
  I imagine you got a pool guy. No, I do not have a pool guy.
• 1:17:37
  You do it yourself. I do it myself, yeah.
• 1:17:39
  How do you write in all these songs?
• 1:17:41
  How you got time to fucking? Well it's really not that hard
• 1:17:44
  it's the it's fall is when it sucks because the trees like
• 1:17:48
  will dump the leaves in it. But I, I close it up in the
• 1:17:51
  winter now. So, but if I'm home, it's when
• 1:17:54
  I'm not home, that's when it sucks.
• 1:17:56
  Now you just get a friend to go and check it.
• 1:17:59
  But yeah, I mean, other than that, like once a week, get the
• 1:18:01
  water tested and it's, you know, maybe, you know, 30 bucks a
• 1:18:06
  month to keep it clear. You got BBQ out.
• 1:18:08
  There. Oh yeah, I got a Traeger smoking
• 1:18:10
  smoking some pork butt, Dude did.
• 1:18:12
  You get a trigger hookup. I did.
• 1:18:14
  Yeah, I heard they're hooking people up and I'm like, fucking
• 1:18:17
  Cody was on Henry. It's like I've got a trigger
• 1:18:19
  hookup. I was like, give me the fucking
• 1:18:20
  hookup. Yeah, I got I gotta have you
• 1:18:22
  down for a little for a little while.
• 1:18:24
  I would love. That and guess what trigger,
• 1:18:26
  I'll look directly at this camera and go you can try the
• 1:18:29
  new trigger, whatever it's called, power grill.
• 1:18:32
  It's great. You know, look at this brisket.
• 1:18:35
  I made it you. Would definitely be the first
• 1:18:37
  guy that I've heard that with a British.
• 1:18:39
  Accent. I know, right?
• 1:18:40
  Fucking mix it. Usually it's like you like BBQ.
• 1:18:43
  Y'all like bar? I can do that too.
• 1:18:45
  Y'all like BBQ? You can try baked beans on your
• 1:18:51
  trigger grill, you know. Have you seen the it's like an
• 1:18:54
  English video is this guy's like he's good, but it's nothing like
• 1:18:58
  my mother's have biscuits and fizzy Wiggins with beans and
• 1:19:03
  bash or whatever. It's like all of the different,
• 1:19:06
  like British. Food this shit that we say no,
• 1:19:08
  Yeah, listen, I like baked beans.
• 1:19:10
  I like baked beans too. Not for breakfast, but I like
• 1:19:13
  it. Now you want to put them with a
• 1:19:14
  burger. We're talking.
• 1:19:16
  In the burger. No, to the side, yeah, or, or
• 1:19:20
  with like a brisket Sammy or something.
• 1:19:21
  I do I often when we get BBQ I'll get beans because I just
• 1:19:24
  miss that bean. What is your favorite Nashville
• 1:19:27
  food spot? I had this chat quite a lot.
• 1:19:31
  Had this chat yesterday with my Barber.
• 1:19:33
  I think it's pretty overrated. Nashville.
• 1:19:36
  You're saying there's places or you're saying the food in
• 1:19:38
  Nashville. The food in Nashville.
• 1:19:39
  Sorry, I love Nashville food, coffee barbers talk about us all
• 1:19:43
  the fucking time on the podcast. Sick of it, sick of me moaning.
• 1:19:47
  But like I feel like the aesthetic is always a 10 and I
• 1:19:51
  go in and everyone's gassing this shit up like it's a 10 and
• 1:19:53
  I go in. I'm like I was A7 or an.
• 1:19:55
  Experience over food, Yeah. So there's a few of those that
• 1:19:59
  we've been to where everyone's been like you've got to try this
• 1:20:00
  place and it's like, it's good. It's an 8, but I've had a 10.
• 1:20:04
  Don't fucking tell me on it specifically.
• 1:20:05
  Bite a bit Sushi and Thai. That's the best sushi that I've
• 1:20:08
  found in Nashville. OK I hate sushi so not be able
• 1:20:12
  to relate to that. Right.
• 1:20:13
  What? You're going to give me some?
• 1:20:15
  What I like, yeah. Have you got a BBQ spot in
• 1:20:18
  Nashville? I do, but it's like chain, but
• 1:20:20
  like we're the two big ones are like Martin's and Edley's,
• 1:20:22
  right? Yes, I'm Edley's over Martin's.
• 1:20:24
  I'll say that. OK, so we've been to Edley's and
• 1:20:27
  it was great. Yeah, the one right down here,
• 1:20:29
  yeah. We got it delivered and it
• 1:20:30
  sucked but. Yeah, I can see that on.
• 1:20:32
  Me, yeah. But it was great.
• 1:20:34
  But I was like also like give me more the options to have more
• 1:20:39
  have. You done the hot chicken thing.
• 1:20:40
  No, I didn't do the chicken. You got to do the chicken.
• 1:20:43
  That's the thing. Do the chicken.
• 1:20:45
  You got to do the chicken. OK, Yeah, I mean, there's so
• 1:20:47
  there's Pepper, fire Princess and Hattie bees.
• 1:20:50
  I think those are like the big three.
• 1:20:51
  They're my Hattie bees. You have done Hattie bees.
• 1:20:54
  Yeah, done, Hattie bees. I love that's my favorite Hattie
• 1:20:56
  bees. Have you done Bad Luck Burger?
• 1:20:57
  Oh yeah. That's like I I put Bad luck
• 1:21:01
  Burger, maybe my favorite burger of all time.
• 1:21:05
  It's. Slamming dude.
• 1:21:06
  It's crazy. You know who the owner of that
• 1:21:09
  is, right? I don't Andy, who used to sing
• 1:21:11
  for a plea for purging. I didn't know that.
• 1:21:14
  Yeah, I know Adam from Orthodox is running the grill at Bad Luck
• 1:21:18
  sometimes. Oh really?
• 1:21:19
  Yeah, I don't want to fucking dox him.
• 1:21:21
  But yeah, go to Bad Luck Burger and you want bother into fucking
• 1:21:24
  Adam Orthodox. Yeah, yeah, Andy from used to be
• 1:21:28
  a plea for purging is the is the main guy, I'm pretty sure.
• 1:21:32
  I think it's his thing. That's fucking awesome.
• 1:21:34
  Yeah, it's so good. It's so good.
• 1:21:36
  We had it like 2 nights ago and even now I'm like could get it
• 1:21:38
  again. Yeah, it's really good.
• 1:21:40
  I like. What do you get from Bad Luck
• 1:21:42
  Burger before you think about this too much?
• 1:21:44
  Yeah, well, I am. I'm getting better, but I eat
• 1:21:48
  like a toddler. I like things really plain, so I
• 1:21:50
  like meat and cheese. Oh good, that's it.
• 1:21:53
  And I might get the sauce the other side for a.
• 1:21:54
  Little guy or whatever it's called, that's the one without
• 1:21:57
  any shit on it. Yeah, see, they're even roasting
• 1:21:59
  me, forgetting it that. Way the little.
• 1:22:01
  Guy. Hey, little guy.
• 1:22:02
  Yeah, I I thought about this last time I got it.
• 1:22:05
  Last time we got a bad luck burger each and then tots each.
• 1:22:09
  Now what I'm going to do next time, because I'm so obsessed
• 1:22:12
  with the burger, I think I'm just going to do 2 burgers.
• 1:22:14
  There you go, protein maxing. Protein maxing, yeah.
• 1:22:18
  I like that. Mocking her with pure beef.
• 1:22:22
  There you go. How's your brain rot knowledge?
• 1:22:25
  You know what mogging is? I don't.
• 1:22:27
  You want to know? Yeah.
• 1:22:29
  I'm obsessed by the way, at the moment.
• 1:22:30
  I've seen it a lot, I just don't think I know what it means.
• 1:22:32
  OK so if are you going to pull up the actual definition of
• 1:22:36
  mogging I have Like I'm obsessed with the way Gen.
• 1:22:41
  Alpha speaks and like bringing it into my unk status speech.
• 1:22:46
  Yeah, that's definitely, that's definitely the part of you that
• 1:22:49
  likes to piss people off. Oh yeah. 100% What's the
• 1:22:52
  definition of mogging? Mogging is to look significantly
• 1:22:55
  more attractive, stylish or physically dominant than those
• 1:22:58
  around you. So if you like, someone takes a
• 1:23:00
  photo. Oh yeah, it's kind of like,
• 1:23:05
  yeah, it's like mewing. No, it's not.
• 1:23:08
  No, OK, sorry. My bad.
• 1:23:10
  My bad. OK.
• 1:23:12
  So mogging is like if if I was taking a photo of someone else
• 1:23:17
  in the gym and like we're parallel to each other.
• 1:23:21
  Yeah. And I like nudge myself in front
• 1:23:24
  so I look bigger and I flex and that other person didn't flex.
• 1:23:27
  Absolutely mogs. And then?
• 1:23:30
  How do you use it in a sentence? Are you like?
• 1:23:32
  Is it a verb? Like, are you mogging somebody?
• 1:23:35
  Well, I can give you a fucking headline.
• 1:23:36
  I can give you a headline from the other day if you want.
• 1:23:41
  This is the best. This is the best one.
• 1:23:43
  In fact, I want to actually break this down because some of
• 1:23:45
  these words I don't know and I pretend not I do.
• 1:23:48
  No, this is from know your meme. It's so big clavicular who is a
• 1:23:52
  person. Oh, OK, he's a he's a famous
• 1:23:55
  looks maxer. OK, I do know it looks maxer
• 1:23:58
  guys, Yeah. I'm obsessed with this by the
• 1:24:03
  way. Clavicular frame mogged by ASU
• 1:24:08
  frat leader. So as you can see in this photo,
• 1:24:11
  it clavicular is the man on the right, the man on the left.
• 1:24:16
  As in, he made himself look bigger.
• 1:24:18
  His. Frame is much better so he's
• 1:24:21
  he's. And I think the actual tweet is
• 1:24:25
  Clavicular ran into a frat leader at ASU and got brutally
• 1:24:29
  Frame mogged by him and then some reply was like even more
• 1:24:36
  brain rot than that. Yeah, it's that's another level
• 1:24:39
  for me. That's how I know I'm getting
• 1:24:41
  old. Older, should I say?
• 1:24:44
  I mean, I know how I'm getting old because I'm desperate to
• 1:24:47
  just use these words all the time to annoy younger people.
• 1:24:51
  Yeah, I just. I used the word cooked the other
• 1:24:53
  day in front of somebody and they like shook their head at
• 1:24:55
  me. Oh.
• 1:24:55
  Really I used cooked all. The time I feel like cooked is a
• 1:24:58
  pretty normal word, but they're like, oh, you're speaking like,
• 1:25:01
  you know, gin, whatever they are, whatever.
• 1:25:04
  I would dare say as a Gen. Z that cooked is slowly dying.
• 1:25:08
  Is it and that and that proves my point if it's already out and
• 1:25:11
  I. You know what's funny though?
• 1:25:14
  Speaking of architects, we used to say cooked in the definition
• 1:25:19
  that it gets used now 15 years ago, and it started from when
• 1:25:26
  one of us would be burnt out and we say I'm burnt, which is
• 1:25:29
  obviously still a phrase. And then we developed burnt into
• 1:25:32
  cooked but it never really fucking caught on but we were
• 1:25:35
  using it. Apparently did somebody,
• 1:25:37
  somebody carried that, somebody carried that for a real long
• 1:25:40
  time for it to come back. I will die on this hill.
• 1:25:42
  You know, the the resurgence of the word diabolical.
• 1:25:45
  Yeah. Tom Williams started that.
• 1:25:47
  Yeah. It's a great word.
• 1:25:49
  Tom Williams has been saying something is diabolical in the
• 1:25:53
  the way that it is said now for the entire time I've been in
• 1:25:57
  Australia. Like it's catering good.
• 1:26:00
  And he'd go diabolical, like. And then it fucking became like,
• 1:26:04
  everyone talks about it now, but he's been doing it the whole
• 1:26:06
  time. One of the most impressionable
• 1:26:08
  things that TomTom has ever said that sticks with our band is no
• 1:26:13
  backpacks on seats, because we were sharing green rooms in
• 1:26:16
  2016. And I think the first time that
• 1:26:19
  I don't even think he's one of us.
• 1:26:20
  Oh, we didn't even have crew, so I don't even know who it would
• 1:26:22
  have been. But yeah, so we put a backpack
• 1:26:24
  on seat and he was like, no, no backpacks on seats.
• 1:26:27
  And we're like, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
• 1:26:29
  That's stuck with us forever. I mean, it's a great rule.
• 1:26:32
  It's the best come in and they put that backpack on a seat and
• 1:26:35
  then you're like, I don't know whose backpack that isn't on a
• 1:26:37
  move. It could be the headline.
• 1:26:39
  Highly inconsiderate. 10 years ago that in December, that will
• 1:26:43
  be 10 years since The Amity Affliction N Lane straight from
• 1:26:48
  the path wage war. Yeah, in that order.
• 1:26:50
  You were babies. We were babies.
• 1:26:52
  How old are you? 32.
• 1:26:56
  You were 22. That's how maths works.
• 1:27:01
  What a time. I think we talked about this
• 1:27:03
  last time. Little babies, yeah.
• 1:27:06
  I thought it was kind of cool. We had a good time.
• 1:27:10
  Yeah, well, we talked. We.
• 1:27:11
  Didn't I mean, I'm sort of saying it nicely that it was
• 1:27:15
  kind of cool, but I. Think my entire band crowd
• 1:27:17
  surfed at this Italy show for you guys Chris got.
• 1:27:20
  Because we played Damien. Because we weren't playing yet.
• 1:27:23
  Chris took, we had air, we blew up air mattresses in our van and
• 1:27:29
  slept on him. And I think it was the last
• 1:27:30
  night of the tour and Chris went and grabbed one and threw it out
• 1:27:33
  of the crowd because you guys played Damien.
• 1:27:34
  Was it Italy or was it Spain? Am I even Spain?
• 1:27:36
  I think it was. Madrid and it was that evil day
• 1:27:39
  where we were all just sat there all day long waiting for the
• 1:27:42
  show to start. Yeah, Chris said if we played
• 1:27:45
  Damien, he crowd surf and then that happened.
• 1:27:48
  I think there might be a video of that.
• 1:27:49
  There is, there is there. We have it somewhere, yeah.
• 1:27:52
  Excellent. That was fucking 10 years ago.
• 1:27:54
  Look here now. We're neighbors now.
• 1:27:57
  Yeah, now we're just a couple of country bumpkins did.
• 1:28:00
  Sponsored by Traeger, that was a good American accent.
• 1:28:04
  I'm going to take that one. I had more to say about
• 1:28:07
  curricular getting brutally framework by ASU frat leader,
• 1:28:11
  but I wanted to I wanted to bring up this is just no one's
• 1:28:15
  going to want this content. I've looked at my demographics.
• 1:28:18
  It's 21 and up and this is for like 14 year olds, but join me
• 1:28:24
  in making it so uncool that it stops getting sad.
• 1:28:27
  Let me just Google. Sorry clavicular brutally
• 1:28:31
  frameworked. Anyway, mewing is actually when
• 1:28:34
  you that's. When you like, stick your face
• 1:28:36
  out and. You put your tongue on the roof
• 1:28:39
  of your mouth, on your cheeks. For your jawline specifically.
• 1:28:43
  That's nice. Yes, I like that.
• 1:28:45
  Guitarist brutally mew mogged by.
• 1:28:49
  Brutally. Mew mogged by drama brutally
• 1:28:52
  frame mogged. I want the reply.
• 1:28:54
  Someone replied with Jester maxing.
• 1:28:56
  What? I don't know what jester maxing
• 1:28:58
  is. That's what I want to know.
• 1:28:59
  Jester Maxing, please. Originating from the incel
• 1:29:03
  community, it refers to the act of using humour, clownish
• 1:29:08
  behaviour or acting as a fool to gain attention, particularly
• 1:29:11
  from women in a dating or social context.
• 1:29:15
  Call me the fucking Jester Max. Jester Max in my whole goddamn
• 1:29:20
  life. You got a fucking talk coming
• 1:29:24
  up. I do.
• 1:29:25
  Yep, we have. Orthodox.
• 1:29:27
  With Orthodox, Yep, it's us. Never tell an orthodox little 3
• 1:29:32
  band banger. Who would never tell?
• 1:29:33
  I don't know. They are like a newer band, I
• 1:29:36
  think. I think they're from Florida
• 1:29:37
  too. But yeah, they've got, I mean,
• 1:29:41
  they're on Octane a lot. So it kind of services the two
• 1:29:44
  sides of our band. We like to do chorusy bit and
• 1:29:47
  then you go orthodox, which is the heavy.
• 1:29:49
  Yeah, they're like, they're probably both more extreme
• 1:29:51
  versions of the of our band. I'm obsessed with Orthodox.
• 1:29:55
  Yeah, dude, that's literally it's my favorite heavy band and
• 1:29:58
  I, I messaged Austin and told him like, dude, when they put
• 1:30:01
  out their last record, it's like, this is like my favorite
• 1:30:03
  thing to have in heavy music in years.
• 1:30:06
  I see Austin every single day, really.
• 1:30:08
  He's my gym buddy. Sick.
• 1:30:09
  Yeah, and he, he just gets it. He like he obviously he's young
• 1:30:14
  and he's in with like the cool, cool guy music.
• 1:30:19
  Yeah, but like, you know what I mean?
• 1:30:21
  Like fucking hardcore. He's got his.
• 1:30:23
  He's got his finger on the pulse, Yeah.
• 1:30:25
  But then he also, like, knows about the old head shit that
• 1:30:29
  makes stuff heavy. And then he'll be like listening
• 1:30:32
  to Kojira and shit like that. And I feel like that band just
• 1:30:34
  took the perfect storm of like, OK, I like these bits from
• 1:30:39
  hardcore and I like these bits from like and Terry metal and I
• 1:30:42
  like these kids from fucking New metal and Morbid Angel and just
• 1:30:46
  put it all together. And just, I love how riffy it
• 1:30:49
  is, like it's so easy to, you know, lean on like the trophy,
• 1:30:53
  like to make something heavy to just do the like 01, whatever
• 1:30:57
  stuff. But dude, there's like some
• 1:30:58
  serious rifts on that record and I, I love it.
• 1:31:02
  I'm really excited. How did you How did it get put
• 1:31:04
  in front of you? I met Austin a while ago, I
• 1:31:06
  don't even know if he was in Orthodox or not.
• 1:31:09
  He's in like fucking 11 bands. Yeah, one of those guys like
• 1:31:13
  Isaac Hale, Yeah, I'm doing a new band.
• 1:31:15
  We're playing a show tomorrow, OK?
• 1:31:16
  It might have been Britain's pretty tapped in with like, like
• 1:31:20
  heavy music he likes, like the heavier stuff.
• 1:31:22
  Like he kind of leans more like death metal, like hardcore than
• 1:31:26
  I do or like proper metal stuff. So I think he like, played it
• 1:31:31
  and I was like, Oh yeah, like I, we know somebody that's in that
• 1:31:35
  band. And then, yeah, I think I
• 1:31:38
  followed Austin on Instagram or whatever and as he was like, he
• 1:31:41
  posts riff videos all the time and I'm like, dude, insane.
• 1:31:44
  And so, yeah, when the record came out, I was in the record
• 1:31:47
  and like, immediately texted our group.
• 1:31:48
  I was like, we have to have this band.
• 1:31:50
  I feel like they're next on the the cool guy chopping block, as
• 1:31:55
  I like to call it. Yeah, dying wish recently on the
• 1:31:59
  cool guy chopping block. As in, they get they get popular
• 1:32:03
  enough that underground no longer.
• 1:32:06
  Orthodox the next, But what they're doing, they're taking
• 1:32:09
  all the sort of tours that Stray took to get as big as we did.
• 1:32:13
  Yeah, like you have to. The Amity tour, like you put
• 1:32:16
  Stray and Amity next to each other.
• 1:32:18
  It's not similar, but like it was fucking amazing for us as a
• 1:32:21
  band to be like on that tour. Like we were the heavy band,
• 1:32:26
  which was weird. Because I'm sure that they will.
• 1:32:29
  I'm sure that they will catch some some shit for touring with
• 1:32:33
  us. No, but it's going to be
• 1:32:35
  fucking, it's going to be awesome.
• 1:32:36
  It's going to be great for your career.
• 1:32:37
  Like they got Amy and you this year and it's like 2 the best
• 1:32:42
  tours you could have picked for progressing your band.
• 1:32:45
  Yeah. It's going to be great, yeah.
• 1:32:47
  Cool guy suicide. That's OK.
• 1:32:50
  I mean, it's it happens, no offense.
• 1:32:51
  It happens all the way. It happens all the way up the
• 1:32:54
  scale, though. It's like pop people bringing
• 1:32:56
  out like bands, right? Like rock, you know, like the
• 1:33:00
  bands that kind of like teeter on the pop rock thing.
• 1:33:02
  And then you've got metal core bands going out with active rock
• 1:33:05
  bands, and then you've got like cred like hardcore metal core
• 1:33:09
  going out with Octane core bands, you know what I mean?
• 1:33:12
  It's just, it's just the levels of everything, you know what I
• 1:33:14
  mean? People don't understand this
• 1:33:16
  like it's important to do. You have to do it.
• 1:33:19
  You can't just play the same people over and over and over.
• 1:33:22
  And over. Yeah, I hope you didn't find
• 1:33:23
  that offensive. I'm offended.
• 1:33:25
  Are you actually offended? I'm.
• 1:33:26
  Super offended, yeah. Even like slightly just a little
• 1:33:30
  bit offended. Doesn't mean doesn't.
• 1:33:31
  Offend me. I mean not.
• 1:33:32
  It's that band that's very, very heavy with a band that is like
• 1:33:36
  sometimes not so heavy. Yeah, I am full consciousness of
• 1:33:40
  of what we are and what it means to take out a band like that.
• 1:33:42
  Orthodox is next on the cool guy chopping block.
• 1:33:45
  It went knock loose. Some reason they're still
• 1:33:48
  weathering it. Yeah, they're.
• 1:33:49
  Still super cool. Still weathering it.
• 1:33:52
  And I think to be honest, I think Orthodox will weather it
• 1:33:57
  because knowing who they are as people, they will always bring
• 1:34:02
  sometime like, but not loose dude, they'll bring some tiny
• 1:34:04
  fucking hardcore band no one's ever heard of to play that
• 1:34:07
  fucking 3000 people. Yeah, but there is that weird.
• 1:34:10
  I don't know what it is. And I feel like, you know what?
• 1:34:13
  I think the reason it pisses me off so much because I think when
• 1:34:15
  I was a kid I was like this. When a band got too big, I was
• 1:34:18
  like, that's not cool. Anymore, it's the, it is the, it
• 1:34:21
  is like one of the worst things about our culture, truly.
• 1:34:24
  Like we've all been, yeah, we've all done it.
• 1:34:27
  But it's like, I can't like this anymore or you can't like this
• 1:34:31
  anymore because too many people like it.
• 1:34:33
  And I want you to be like my special band when really in, in,
• 1:34:37
  in reverse. You would think that if you like
• 1:34:40
  this band and you want to see them succeed, you would want
• 1:34:43
  them to be able to like, I don't know, pay their bills doing what
• 1:34:46
  they want to do. And a lot of times at what at a
• 1:34:48
  certain level of music, like, you can't do that.
• 1:34:52
  You know what I mean? Like you have to reach a certain
• 1:34:53
  threshold of like, you know, grinding before it's like, all
• 1:34:56
  right, cool. Are we going to make money or
• 1:34:58
  are we just going to keep spending time away from home and
• 1:35:01
  families and working a second job to make this dream happen?
• 1:35:03
  You know what I mean? You, you would think that it's
• 1:35:05
  like, wow, how cool is that? That they can, you know, do with
• 1:35:08
  that and for us and. Still be fucking real or
• 1:35:11
  whatever. Yeah, I think I've just decided
• 1:35:14
  how I feel about this. My line in the sand with it.
• 1:35:17
  OK, Based on a small therapy session we've just had and me
• 1:35:21
  remembering what I was like as a kid.
• 1:35:23
  Amazing. Under 25 years old, if you talk
• 1:35:30
  shit on a band not being good anymore because you prefer their
• 1:35:34
  old stuff, I'm going to give you a pass.
• 1:35:37
  Under 25 years old, I'm now going to give you a pass because
• 1:35:41
  I think probably I was a bit like that gatekeeper.
• 1:35:43
  And then you grow up and then you get the wisdom of the world,
• 1:35:47
  some of it, and you realize people need to do certain things
• 1:35:51
  or they need to just fucking change their sound because
• 1:35:54
  they're fucking bored or whatever.
• 1:35:55
  Yeah, if you're in your 30s and you were talking shit about a
• 1:35:59
  band, no, you can't do it. I'm sorry.
• 1:36:02
  I. Subscribed to that dude.
• 1:36:04
  Yeah, you have better things to do with your life.
• 1:36:06
  You have job. Now I need two things.
• 1:36:08
  If you're doing press at festival or you're online
• 1:36:12
  critique person, I need to watch you set up an amp so it makes
• 1:36:15
  noise. And then if you're going to talk
• 1:36:17
  shit about a band's new stuff, I need to see your ID.
• 1:36:21
  I've never done it, but my number one comment, I'm sure
• 1:36:24
  I'll start doing it after I'm going to say that I want to do
• 1:36:26
  it. I literally just want to go show
• 1:36:28
  me your band. Yeah, I used to do that one
• 1:36:30
  quite a lot. Yeah, someone's like, this
• 1:36:32
  sucks. Generic is like cool, show me
• 1:36:34
  your band. Where's your band?
• 1:36:35
  Bro, nothing is worse than when I see somebody like chirping
• 1:36:38
  online and then I'll go look at their page and I'll look at
• 1:36:41
  their band and it takes everything in me to not just.
• 1:36:46
  I stopped. I stopped doing that.
• 1:36:49
  I would. Never do that.
• 1:36:50
  It's not in my, it is not in my character to do that.
• 1:36:53
  But I'd certain it certainly crosses my mind.
• 1:36:55
  It's a little devil. On my shoulder, I've been doing
• 1:36:57
  it when someone comes into my stream.
• 1:36:59
  In fact I would say it's recent as last week.
• 1:37:03
  If someone comes into my stream and talk shit about my playing,
• 1:37:05
  I go Simon do it and then Simon goes and pulls up their drum
• 1:37:10
  videos and then send them to me. And sometimes we watch them on
• 1:37:13
  the stream and I'll just fucking annihilate.
• 1:37:15
  Oh, but I've recently had some old guy thing that I'm like, I
• 1:37:22
  shouldn't be fucking punching down.
• 1:37:24
  I shouldn't be punching down. I.
• 1:37:25
  Shared The Hate Cape. Dude, so fucking argumentative.
• 1:37:29
  Riffgate, Riffgate. Oh, word to intuition.
• 1:37:33
  Hate. Fucking great.
• 1:37:36
  We. We.
• 1:37:36
  Covered a lot of ground. That's fucking great.
• 1:37:38
  Do you want to do a bit of fun at the end?
• 1:37:39
  Yeah. Is this the Metallica thing?
• 1:37:41
  Do you know what this or that is?
• 1:37:43
  Anyway? When does that?
• 1:37:43
  Sorry, when does that tour start?
• 1:37:44
  That's a great question. Off the top of my head, it's
• 1:37:47
  April. April Summit.
• 1:37:49
  Guess what I would have already told you at the beginning of
• 1:37:51
  this? Yeah, I think it's April 25th.
• 1:37:53
  It starts at Sick New World I think, and then goes until May,
• 1:37:59
  late May. Take new Worlds back.
• 1:38:01
  That's pretty cool. That's right.
• 1:38:03
  OK this or that Metallica songs. OK, Enter Sandman or Creeping
• 1:38:06
  Death. Oh.
• 1:38:08
  I fucking painstaking this wow straight out the gate.
• 1:38:13
  I'm gonna have to stick with my brand and go Enter Sandman,
• 1:38:16
  because I think the Black Album is like the best thing of all
• 1:38:19
  time. It's it's a Holy Grail to me,
• 1:38:21
  but creeping death is yeah, yeah, that's like my favorite.
• 1:38:26
  Back on the running theme of this whole episode, yeah, I used
• 1:38:30
  to be a Black Album hater and then I grew up and I was like,
• 1:38:35
  it's fucking amazing, dude. It's it's so good.
• 1:38:37
  However, sometimes I skip salmon but.
• 1:38:40
  Just because it's got a billion streams on it.
• 1:38:44
  Yeah. And I've just, like, heard it
• 1:38:46
  before and like, it's obviously a great song, but like,
• 1:38:50
  sometimes I just wanna get straight in there.
• 1:38:52
  Yeah, I wanna. Get I mean, I did creeping
• 1:38:54
  death. My I'll tell you this, my
• 1:38:56
  favorite Metallica video is them playing creeping Death in Moscow
• 1:39:01
  when they do the extended the extended bridge of just the die.
• 1:39:04
  Yeah, like a one point something million Russians chanting die
• 1:39:09
  with the military as the security for the show is like
• 1:39:13
  the hardest thing of all. Time.
• 1:39:15
  That was a todgy show. Do you know Josh from Silosis
• 1:39:18
  that used to be an architect? I don't.
• 1:39:20
  I follow him, but I don't know him.
• 1:39:21
  Absolutely. He's a Metallica.
• 1:39:24
  Biggest Metallica know it on earth like you guys would get on
• 1:39:27
  great. OK, so and the salmon and Master
• 1:39:30
  of Puppets. I'm gonna go Sandman again.
• 1:39:33
  Whoa. I mean, but here's the deal.
• 1:39:35
  Like you're, you're catching me at the Black Album is my
• 1:39:38
  favorite Metallica album, so I'm probably gonna put that.
• 1:39:41
  Still get you. I can still get you.
• 1:39:43
  Don't worry. OK, Sandman or nothing else
• 1:39:45
  matters. Same man.
• 1:39:47
  Sandman or Saint Anger? Saint Anger no sad Sandman.
• 1:39:52
  Sam man or blackened? Sam Man, Fuck.
• 1:39:55
  I know this might not be good. You should have.
• 1:39:56
  You should have not. Can we just keep Sam Man until
• 1:39:59
  the end? Can we?
• 1:40:00
  Do a different brand. We're gonna keep going.
• 1:40:02
  We're gonna go. See.
• 1:40:03
  We're gonna go. We'll see if I can do it.
• 1:40:05
  And if not, I'm gonna have to fucking make him.
• 1:40:06
  I do my favorite Metallica. Song No.
• 1:40:08
  Tell me, Don't tell me. OK?
• 1:40:11
  Don't say anything. Sam Man or Sanitarium?
• 1:40:14
  Sam, Man. Sam man or fight fire with fire.
• 1:40:16
  Sam, Man. Sam Man 1.
• 1:40:18
  Same man. Sam man or sad but true?
• 1:40:20
  Ah, sabot. True.
• 1:40:23
  Sabot true battery. Actually might go battery.
• 1:40:29
  Yeah, there we go. No, OK, I knew it was quite
• 1:40:32
  good. Can you can you guess my
• 1:40:33
  favorite Metallica song? It is on the Black Album.
• 1:40:35
  I'll give you a hint. I don't know how into Metallica
• 1:40:37
  history you are, but it was thought that it was going to be
• 1:40:40
  the first single on Black Album. I don't know the answer, but
• 1:40:43
  I'll tell you one of my favorite Metallica songs of all time.
• 1:40:47
  OK, that is on the Black album. OK, holding them now dude.
• 1:40:51
  That's my favorite Metallica son.
• 1:40:52
  Oh my God, let's fucking go dude.
• 1:40:55
  I nearly put it on the list and then I thought some people just
• 1:40:59
  don't know it or don't fuck with.
• 1:41:01
  It. How many times a week do I
• 1:41:04
  listen to that in the car? It's.
• 1:41:06
  A lot. Dude, when it drops to just bass
• 1:41:08
  and drums, yeah. It's so good.
• 1:41:12
  It makes me misuse that a lot though.
• 1:41:14
  Yeah, so the if you have you ever watched the year and a half
• 1:41:18
  in a in the life of I. Have a million times.
• 1:41:20
  Me too. They talk about it in the in
• 1:41:23
  that documentary that Holier Than Thou was going to be the
• 1:41:26
  single and then I don't know if it's label.
• 1:41:28
  Or I don't even think it. Was it a single?
• 1:41:31
  I don't even know. I wasn't.
• 1:41:32
  It was supposed to be first song off the record and they they
• 1:41:35
  dropped Sandman. Oh, I do remember that.
• 1:41:36
  Yeah, yeah. Dude, I, I love that.
• 1:41:39
  I will watch that documentary and then go upstairs.
• 1:41:42
  Like I'll, if I'm feeling like like I need to get juiced up or
• 1:41:45
  something, I'll just watch that documentary and then go upstairs
• 1:41:49
  and try to write Metallica rifts, but make them way more
• 1:41:51
  rifts. I so I have two people that I
• 1:41:55
  specifically think of when I was that documentary.
• 1:41:57
  One is Josh Middleton, because we would just do it.
• 1:42:01
  We would just do it. It'd be like, you don't have a
• 1:42:03
  Metallica night. And then I'd drive to his.
• 1:42:04
  This is like back in the day when we both live with our
• 1:42:06
  parents, drive to his and then we just either watch that or we,
• 1:42:10
  you know, we just any of the old Metallica shit.
• 1:42:12
  Yeah. And then Chris Rawson from Stick
• 1:42:15
  Your Guns, another massive Metallica guy, and we would
• 1:42:19
  watch that on tour just constantly and just shit and
• 1:42:23
  just talk about how fucking cool Metallica is.
• 1:42:25
  I'm glad we got to fucking hurry in the now being your favorite
• 1:42:28
  and one of my. Favorite.
• 1:42:30
  That is a cherry on top. Honestly, I might even put it.
• 1:42:34
  I might. It might even be my favorite.
• 1:42:38
  I think Barry's probably my. Favorite under underneath that
• 1:42:40
  for me would be Wherever I May Roam.
• 1:42:42
  That song is insane. You are just a black album.
• 1:42:45
  Did I love I, I the Black not to reopen a whole another part of
• 1:42:49
  this, but like the Black Album being like the first like
• 1:42:53
  mainstream metal thing, I think just shows so much about like
• 1:42:58
  it's probably the entire argument that we are.
• 1:42:59
  We had this entire thing about like Octane and whatever and
• 1:43:03
  probably back then the Metallica, like the Black album,
• 1:43:05
  people were like, oh, what's this like, 'cause everything was
• 1:43:07
  like slowed down, right? Like talking about the
• 1:43:09
  documentary, like, you know, Bob Rock was like, well, let's slow
• 1:43:12
  everything down. Like they had never done
• 1:43:14
  anything that was just that like straight tempo.
• 1:43:16
  It was always just like thrash and stuff, which is awesome, but
• 1:43:19
  like having songs and like actual choruses and stuff like
• 1:43:24
  that, but big riffs, like everything about that.
• 1:43:27
  My, I've said every single time we go to make a record, I said I
• 1:43:30
  just want to make the 20 whatever year we're in. 2026
• 1:43:33
  Black Album. Yeah, not necessarily sonically,
• 1:43:36
  but like, I want to make a defining, commercially accepted
• 1:43:40
  heavy music record. That's all I ever want to make.
• 1:43:42
  And I try to study that and figure out how they did it and
• 1:43:45
  it's, you know, it's lightning in a bottle, but.
• 1:43:47
  It's so weird. It's like in the first five
• 1:43:51
  Metallica records, if you swapped Justice and Puppets, the
• 1:43:58
  transition to Black Album wouldn't be as crazy as it was.
• 1:44:01
  Yeah, I think just as they went full Prague or as I.
• 1:44:04
  Love, justice that. Yeah, pound for pound is my
• 1:44:07
  favorite Metallica. Really.
• 1:44:08
  Yeah, I would say that's my least consumed Metallica record.
• 1:44:12
  What over like reload? Ohh OK pre pre black album yeah
• 1:44:15
  of of creeping master and injustice for all.
• 1:44:18
  But when you like. Or Jack creeping right the lady.
• 1:44:20
  Didn't even mention kill them all.
• 1:44:21
  What is it? Oh.
• 1:44:22
  Yeah, I don't listen that either me.
• 1:44:23
  Neither. I don't care.
• 1:44:24
  Yeah, I don't care either. It comes on like I like, it's a
• 1:44:27
  bit like Iron Maiden A for me. And I was never a maiden.
• 1:44:31
  I was a Metallica Pantera Slayer kid, yeah.
• 1:44:34
  I know that at the time when that came out, people were like
• 1:44:37
  ready to run through walls because I'm sure that was crazy
• 1:44:39
  in that time. But that's probably just a
• 1:44:41
  little too far back for me to listen to and accept as like, I
• 1:44:45
  want to listen to this as like a 30 year old.
• 1:44:47
  But like ride the Lightning, amazing.
• 1:44:50
  Did you ever watch that? There was a DVD.
• 1:44:51
  It wasn't a DVD, it was a show and it was on TV and it was
• 1:44:55
  like, I think it was just called like history of metal or
• 1:44:57
  something like that. And a guy went through all the
• 1:44:59
  genres all the way back from Black Sabbath and every episode
• 1:45:03
  was like a different era. And it went all the way up to
• 1:45:05
  like kill switch metal core. Really.
• 1:45:07
  This probably, like 2012 or something.
• 1:45:09
  This came out, I can't remember what it was called, but there
• 1:45:13
  was a interview with Dave Lombardo talking about when the
• 1:45:18
  Black Album came out, and he was so pissed.
• 1:45:22
  Yeah, I threw it down the stairs.
• 1:45:24
  I was so pissed. And when I listened back to it,
• 1:45:27
  yes, Against Justice, kind of a big lead, but like, compared to
• 1:45:32
  Puppets, it's some fucking short songs.
• 1:45:36
  But still, like, some singing bits.
• 1:45:39
  Yeah. Like, I don't know.
• 1:45:41
  Yeah, I used to be a black arm hater, but then loved, I loved,
• 1:45:46
  I still love, like, Load and Reload.
• 1:45:48
  Like there's some bangers on there.
• 1:45:50
  What are the load? What are I get the two?
• 1:45:52
  I get the track list mixed up on those.
• 1:45:54
  Between load and reload, yeah, so do I.
• 1:45:56
  So. There's load like king nothing.
• 1:45:58
  Yes. I love that song.
• 1:45:59
  Loads got king, nothing it's got. 2 by 4. 2 by 4 it's got
• 1:46:05
  Hero of the Day it's got. Memory remains or is that
• 1:46:08
  reload? That reload, it's got Outlaw
• 1:46:13
  torn. I would say there's something
• 1:46:16
  for me on both those records, but it doesn't electrify me as
• 1:46:19
  the Black Album does. We didn't even talk about the
• 1:46:21
  production on the Black Album. The mix is just the greatest
• 1:46:24
  kick and snare of all time. Yeah, I heard somebody once told
• 1:46:28
  me this is probably blasphemous. If this ever reached Metallica's
• 1:46:31
  ears, I would. I don't know, but someone told
• 1:46:33
  me it was a literal keyboard, and maybe it was somebody that
• 1:46:36
  didn't understand sampling, but they were like, yeah, the kick
• 1:46:39
  and snare are just a keyboard kick and snare.
• 1:46:41
  There's no way. No, there's no way.
• 1:46:43
  There's not maybe some, no. You can see it on those videos.
• 1:46:46
  Yeah, on the year and a half in the life.
• 1:46:48
  Clearly. He's hitting those drums.
• 1:46:50
  I know the fucking view right there.
• 1:46:51
  And that is the sound of the fucking Black Album.
• 1:46:54
  Did the guitars like this? Hyper scooped balls Guitar just
• 1:46:59
  feels like it feels like it's like Octa.
• 1:47:01
  Track. Was it diesels back then?
• 1:47:03
  No, they're they're Mesa guys like 3 through unless they
• 1:47:06
  change some of the studios. They have always been Mesa the.
• 1:47:10
  He didn't have a diesel. Mark 4 I think is what they use.
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  He never went. I'm not Googling it, but.
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  They mark 2C plus. I don't know I'm I'm not that in
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  on it, but they have been Mesa as long as I've known.
• 1:47:19
  Reload's got fuel. Memory remains unforgiveness on
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  load. Fuel is incredible dude.
• 1:47:25
  Unforgiveness fuel is so good. Yeah, I mean, it sort of burst
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  the memeing of James hair. Doesn't deserve it though he
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  every time he does the yeah it's cool.
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  Do you know what's fucking sick is I've seen Metallica live more
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  times than any band I've ever seen.
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  And I know every place that he does a yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  To the point where when I'm listening or singing along to
• 1:47:49
  like the record versions when it doesn't happen and I sing it and
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  like, what the fuck? And I remember now it's just a
• 1:47:54
  live. A live way.
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  The question is, are we taking the trip to the sphere?
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  Oh, 100 fucking percent. We got to, we got to do it. 100
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  have they? Is it announced yet?
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  I mean, they keep saying that they've like almost closed the
• 1:48:06
  deal with Vital could do this sphere, but we got to go.
• 1:48:08
  Yeah, there's no way I'm not going.
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  Yeah, at the minute I heard that was even a thing.
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  I'm even debating later this year Metallica Gojira not loose
• 1:48:20
  in the OH in the UK. Yeah, 100.
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  Like it might be worth the flight.
• 1:48:24
  What a crazy lineup dude. It's funny that the stadium,
• 1:48:29
  they're playing in Scotland. I used to live on that street,
• 1:48:32
  like you could look out my window to the stadium.
• 1:48:35
  I don't, I don't live there anymore obviously.
• 1:48:38
  But yeah, it was fucking annoying when I was a football
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  match on. But I'd love to have been there
• 1:48:42
  when I was like, oh, Metallica playing down the street, because
• 1:48:44
  you could sit in your garden, you could listen to the band.
• 1:48:46
  Obviously I'd be there, but like, yeah, kind of fucking
• 1:48:49
  sick. They're sick.
• 1:48:50
  It's a great lineup. They send it on Holier than
• 1:48:52
  thou. Holier than thou you are.
• 1:48:59
  Holier than thou are you? No, no, not wow.
• 1:49:10
  There we go. That's intro and outro.
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  When the fucking bass comes in. Anyway, love you mate, thanks
• 1:49:16
  for coming back on. Thanks for having me.