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Jazz Starting 5 REVEALED? Keyonte George Concerns, Wayshawn Parker & MLB Playoff Chaos · DnA Sports Recap

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SPEAKER_02: How about them jazz?
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SPEAKER_02: And I love the you know the reference to you know, yeah, the great announcer to the jazz on the court.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
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SPEAKER_02: That was awesome.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this is definitely something we're gonna be talking about.
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SPEAKER_02: Ace, key, uh Lari, triple J and DP.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh lots of stuff to talk about.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_02: Kalamari Atari for jumping in there.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh, DP uh is Kawhi and Dame combined.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, have you heard some of these have you heard some of this?
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SPEAKER_02: I have not.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, it's all over the place.
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SPEAKER_02: Subject one, we want to talk about when it comes to Utah Jazz.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh so what we have here is first, before we signed off last week, which is kind of how this works, whenever we do a show, there's always something that happens like live recording or every single time.
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SPEAKER_02: This isn't as big a deal.
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SPEAKER_02: It's not like the Keontae contract signing extension or something like that.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: This is just in in uh an article that uh not an article, but a podcast that happened from Brian Winhorst on his, you know, the Hoops Collective podcast, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: This was Brian Winhorst's uh caution cautioning the Utah Jazz about the backcourt redundancy after signing Keontae George uh to their five-year contract extension uh that they gave uh gave him after drafting Darren Peterson.
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SPEAKER_02: He said on the podcast, the Hoop Collective, he basically compared the the backcourt to the dynamic, uh dynamic backcourt to historical pairings such as Kyrie Irving and Dion Waiters in Cleveland prior to LeBron James' arrival.
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SPEAKER_02: Um he talks about redundancy um as he questions how George uh and a top five pick in Aaron Peterson will fit together on the court uh together long term and whether or not the Jazz may eventually face a similar crossroads with a duplicate school skill set between uh redundant guards, quoting the Knicks former GM manager saying redundancy is an NBA silent killer.
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SPEAKER_02: Um he goes into discussing how Keontae may uh not have doing discussion how Keontae may not have had an issue with this with the fact that the that they are from the same agency.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh he says that helped because his willingness to work together, uh where they're both being represented by the same agency.
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SPEAKER_02: He said right from the start, if it came to uh came from a different agency, I'm not so sure the two would have been so willing.
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SPEAKER_02: Um AJ, what do you think about when horses coming?
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SPEAKER_02: Is he right?
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SPEAKER_02: Uh or you know, they're jazz looking forward to some kind of redundancy issue.
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SPEAKER_00: Um I think very first, there's a ton of difference between these two players, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Even these two sets of players, like just right out the bait, right out the gate, Keontae was a late first-round draft pick that, in my opinion, like absolutely earned the contract that he was given.
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SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_00: Like in the time that he was here, he showed enough growth that the Jazz had to reward him with his contract.
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SPEAKER_00: And then obviously we still have DP on a rookie scale contract.
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SPEAKER_00: So to look at these even down the road where he's saying that we may have a problem, I'm not seeing I'm not seeing a ton there.
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SPEAKER_00: Just because we we have a guy that earned a contract, wasn't just handed a fourth round overall pick and a first round over and a number one overall, or a number four overall pick and number one overall pick.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: But neither one of these guys were just handed.
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SPEAKER_00: There only one of them was given, you know, a top five pick, really.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: So Keontae had to earn the spot that he currently has.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and and then you kind of dive deeper into Deion Waiters.
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SPEAKER_00: And Deion Waiters is a guy that was taken fourth overall in a draft class that the the consensus number one overall was Anthony Davis, and then there's a bunch of question marks after it, and the best player that came out of that draft, in my opinion, was Damian Lillard.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, for sure.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, tell me I'm wrong, and I'll tell you you're dumb.
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SPEAKER_00: Um because Deion Waiters wasn't even starting for CRQs the sophomore year.
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SPEAKER_00: Like he ended up getting a commitment from a couple of NBA teams that if he was available in the mid-first round that they would take him.
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SPEAKER_00: That's the only reason this guy ended up even declaring for the draft.
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SPEAKER_00: So I I don't I don't think this is a similar situation because the Cavs had no reason to keep waiters with where they were, right?
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SPEAKER_00: When when they were at the end of Waiters' Contracts contract, they had just gotten LeBron James back on the Cavaliers at the end of Waiters' contract, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So it wasn't because they didn't want to pay him, I think it was more like they saw the writing on the wall of the type of player that he was, and uh they were moving away from a first-round draft pick that they didn't see matching up with their current timeline.
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SPEAKER_00: Sound familiar?
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, it does.
7:50
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's weird.
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SPEAKER_00: Sound familiar.
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SPEAKER_00: That that sounds super familiar, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Because the thing is, is when Waders was traded, it it was because the Cavs were trying to improve defense and depth behind LeBron.
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SPEAKER_00: So they added Eamon Schumpert and J.R.
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SPEAKER_00: Smith.
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SPEAKER_00: So they moved away from a first-round pick to get defense and depth.
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SPEAKER_02: Gee, that sounds super familiar, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So that was a Cavs team that was doing all the things that the Utah team is doing right now.
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SPEAKER_00: But I'm not saying they had the thing was is the Jazz didn't need like the Cavs didn't need to move away from him.
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SPEAKER_00: They're they're such different players.
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SPEAKER_00: So am I saying the Jazz just don't trade one of these players in a few years?
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SPEAKER_00: No, I'm saying the Jazz have already made all these moves with players that aren't Keontae and DP.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: That's that's my whole point here, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Like I know it sounds like it lines up exactly, but the Jazz already made all those pre those prerequisite moves that the Cavs were making to get into a championship contending window.
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SPEAKER_00: So I I don't see the Jazz being back in that situation where they need to move away from either one of these players uh uh in the coming future because of what, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Like it's not gonna be it's not gonna be a contract issue.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, and if we get to the point with DP where it is a contract issue, like the the uh by the time DP needs a new contract, we're out of Keontae or we're out of Triple J's contract.
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SPEAKER_00: So we we're not gonna have any issues signing this guy, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Right?
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SPEAKER_00: We we obviously are gonna have to still do some rebuilding at that point, but it's just I don't know, it's not I I I'm not a huge fan of Brian Winhurst as it is, but I don't think that this was a a super relevant take for for the situation the Jazz are in now because I think we have two young guys that work really that that have a potential to work really well together.
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SPEAKER_00: And as long as both of these guys are are bought into the culture and they play selfless and they make good basketball plays and they do things to help this team win, there's no reason the jazz aren't are are gonna move from either one of them.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I there's two two things I want to touch on this one.
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SPEAKER_02: One, if you're gonna do a comparison, right?
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SPEAKER_02: You gotta do the comparison right.
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SPEAKER_02: And I actually have one team that can actually fill both sides of the argument.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: First side, first side of the argument is gonna be the Golden State Warriors, and the second side of the argument is gonna be the Golden State Warriors.
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SPEAKER_02: The Golden State Warriors do you remember who was the other guard on the team before Clay Thompson?
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SPEAKER_00: Um I can picture his face, but I can't remember his name.
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SPEAKER_02: His last name was Ellis.
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SPEAKER_02: Yep, Dante Ellis.
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SPEAKER_02: There you go.
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SPEAKER_00: Is it Dante?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Dante.
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SPEAKER_02: It's not AJ Ellis.
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SPEAKER_02: No, that's a baseball player.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's uh Dante.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh it's it was his name.
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SPEAKER_02: Deontay?
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SPEAKER_02: Deontay.
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SPEAKER_02: It was Ellis.
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SPEAKER_00: So Okay, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Anyway, we got the point.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: So Mark Johnson was the head coach of this team, right?
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SPEAKER_02: And he had the backcourt of, and they were saying that's the greatest backcourt ever in the NBA, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And then they trade away.
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SPEAKER_02: Was it Monte Ellis?
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, Monte Ellis.
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SPEAKER_00: Monte Ellis.
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SPEAKER_00: That's who it is.
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SPEAKER_02: They traded away.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you, Jordan, jumping in there.
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SPEAKER_02: Appreciate it.
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SPEAKER_00: We were so close, just like one letter away.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: So they traded Monte Ellis away for Andrew Bogat, uh, defensive big, right?
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SPEAKER_02: And then some other pieces there.
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SPEAKER_02: They would and they actually booed Cedric Mullins when his jersey was retired at uh at the Oakland Arena when he said that they're building something special.
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SPEAKER_02: And boy, did that guy be able to have a boom.
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SPEAKER_02: He's like, they're building something special here.
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SPEAKER_02: They're like, boo, they all got so mad because they traded away Monte Ellis.
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SPEAKER_02: And yeah, boy, was he uh he was right there for sure.
11:16
SPEAKER_02: And so again, they trade with Monte Ellis, and then the next player they bring in is you know, um, obviously Klay Thompson.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
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SPEAKER_02: So then they go on to win four championships, right?
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SPEAKER_02: So they build a dynasty with again, two, I wouldn't say redundant guards, but they're both two guards that can shoot the ball.
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SPEAKER_02: Both of them can move without the ball.
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SPEAKER_02: Steph Curry, that's what he does, is he runs all over the court without the ball.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he just makes you tired.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
11:41
SPEAKER_02: And then uh Klay Thompson's also a pick and pop type guy.
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SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_02: The best defender on the team, usually by defending the best guards.
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SPEAKER_02: So basically, on that side of the coin, yes, they they hit a pit, they hit a roadblock where they got to the playoffs, but they couldn't get any further further.
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SPEAKER_02: And then they trade away from their one of their guards to get better depth, and then they made it further postseason, eventually winning an NBA title, several NBA tiles when they remove that redundancy, but they replaced it with almost a similar redundancy, just different types of redundancy.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then so that's my that's one thing, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Like, there's an example of how you can argue for that and against what Winhorse is saying.
12:14
SPEAKER_02: But more importantly, let me ask you this, AJ.
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SPEAKER_02: What do you want them to do?
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SPEAKER_00: I have the exact same thing.
12:21
SPEAKER_02: Like what are you supposed to just not pay Keontae?
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SPEAKER_02: No, or just not have like wait, we already have a good guard, so let's have like a let's have a subpar guard of the other person because we have one really good one.
12:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let's go see if Roddy Hood still wants to hoop.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, let's just let's let's not draft a really good player because we already have Keontae George who we're gonna pay 157 million.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, or let's just not pay him and then train him away.
12:43
SPEAKER_02: They could have done that, like right, but uh honestly, this contract with Keontae.
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SPEAKER_02: What are they supposed to do?
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SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
12:48
SPEAKER_02: This contract with Keontae George is a very tradable contract.
12:52
SPEAKER_02: Each year it's gonna get better and better.
12:54
SPEAKER_02: So they're not stuck in it.
12:54
SPEAKER_02: My point is is that that's the error in logic.
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SPEAKER_02: You can't point like what are you just not gonna have a good guard?
12:59
SPEAKER_02: You're only allowed to have one good guard you're paying.
13:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that that logic makes no sense to me.
13:03
SPEAKER_02: You are gonna have two max money guys on your team.
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SPEAKER_02: That's just uh what most competitive NBA player NBA teams are gonna have.
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SPEAKER_02: Is that gonna be these two?
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SPEAKER_02: Who knows?
13:11
SPEAKER_02: One of my favorite quotes came from um the voice of the Solic B's now um that took over.
13:17
SPEAKER_02: Um he was on ESPN 700.
13:19
SPEAKER_02: He's like, This year, um, Coach Hardy and the Ages are trying to figure out who's on the bus.
13:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
13:25
SPEAKER_02: Like right now, you you have to prove, like, okay, great, we know we're putting it into gear.
13:29
SPEAKER_02: You have to prove that you belong here.
13:32
SPEAKER_02: Uh, nobody is guaranteed a spot on this team in two years.
13:35
SPEAKER_02: Like, even even DP.
13:37
SPEAKER_02: Like, he's good, like, let's say he developed he doesn't develop into the all-star level player that he's supposed to be.
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SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
13:42
SPEAKER_02: Uh, Keontae was a one-trick pony, you know.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, it doesn't matter.
13:45
SPEAKER_02: Like, you have to prove that you belong on the team.
13:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you have to we have to prove you belong in the NBA.
13:50
SPEAKER_02: So arguing whether or not you have a redundancy year one coming into this team is just kind of again it's a dumb take.
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SPEAKER_02: I think it is.
13:58
SPEAKER_00: It's a really dumb take.
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SPEAKER_00: And I mean, I think I think the thing is, is like you you're looking at these two players, right?
14:04
SPEAKER_00: And A, neither one of them well, one we we have no idea about, right?
14:09
SPEAKER_00: DP, we have no idea what he's going to be.
14:12
SPEAKER_00: But but DP has a ceiling more like Kyrie Irving, but Keontae George has already far exceeded Dion Waiter's like career accomplishments.
14:22
SPEAKER_00: Like this guy didn't turn out to be anything, right?
14:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and and you have a redundancy in what two players that can both dribble the ball up the floor, like two players that can shoot the ball and both playmake.
14:33
SPEAKER_02: They both have the ability to pass, playmake, and shoot the ball.
14:36
SPEAKER_00: Like that the it basketball's a game where you need all those things, Darren.
14:40
SPEAKER_00: I know.
14:40
SPEAKER_02: I just the argument that you're like, okay, you're just gonna have a least talented guard of the team.
14:44
SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't know what the point is here.
14:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't I don't understand.
14:47
SPEAKER_02: I it's like you're supposed to.
14:49
SPEAKER_02: I think the I thought the whole point was to have five shooters on your team.
14:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, five players that are all really good at basketball on the floor at the same time.
14:56
SPEAKER_02: If you get five players on the team that can all play bake, like you're a shoe-in for a great team.
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15:09
SPEAKER_02: Darren, don't listen to Brian.
15:11
SPEAKER_02: He's trusted, he trusted the Clippers all last year.
15:13
SPEAKER_02: He don't know nothing.
15:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I just think that was more of an ESPN thing.
15:17
SPEAKER_02: Uh, I think he was taking care of uh his own paycheck there.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that uh they're like, we gotta find something for you to talk about.
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SPEAKER_00: And he's like, I've got an idea.
15:25
SPEAKER_02: The MBA just is in the uh back pocket of ESPN, and the ESPN is in the back pocket of some of these NBA owners, especially the richest NBA owner.
15:35
SPEAKER_00: So I think why you watch Utah Jazz DNA, right?
15:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I again I can't speak to it more and more enough that that not necessarily just what we're doing because we're not as we're not that large, but like anybody who goes after and looks for independent media, non-sponsored, non-I get a check from the team or from a league, you know, you starting to get more honest opinions and better analysis on stuff, which we're gonna get into here in a little bit because I think it's a little bit kind of fun into that too.
16:00
SPEAKER_02: Uh, we got another comment here from McKinley Cutler saying, I think it I think that in today's league, having multiple ball handlers is almost required to be successful.
16:07
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
16:08
SPEAKER_02: I think playing them at the same time is an additive, not a redundance.
16:12
SPEAKER_02: For sure.
16:13
SPEAKER_02: For sure.
16:13
SPEAKER_02: I think it's totally agree.
16:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's it's important because again, like what do you want to do?
16:18
SPEAKER_02: Like, it's just it makes no sense to me.
16:21
SPEAKER_02: You don't want to have just a spot-up shooter guard.
16:23
SPEAKER_02: You want to be able to keep the defense honest, right?
16:25
SPEAKER_02: It's just it's just it makes good sense.
16:28
SPEAKER_02: Uh, we also also, unlike a lot of the point guards in the league, Keonta uh is just as good, if not better, than when he plays off the ball.
16:37
SPEAKER_02: Uh, he's not like a Trey Young that becomes a non-factor off ball.
16:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, nice, nice pull on exactly what we're talking about there.
16:44
SPEAKER_02: You definitely don't want a non-factor off ball like him.
16:48
SPEAKER_00: You don't need somebody that doesn't that doesn't help the team, you know, create space and like do all the things it needs to do when he doesn't have the ball in his hands.
16:55
SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, like dude's two inches shorter than me and like 100 pounds less than me, and he can't play defense.
16:59
SPEAKER_00: But that's not Keontae at all.
17:00
SPEAKER_00: That's the best part.
17:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
17:02
SPEAKER_02: So I think it's it's absolutely honest.
17:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, I I mean sorry, not absolutely honest.
17:06
SPEAKER_02: Well, it is honest, but anyway, I think it's uh well said there.
17:11
SPEAKER_02: Well said.
17:12
SPEAKER_02: Greg Hawkins, bruh, it's over.
17:14
SPEAKER_02: Cubs game is on.
17:16
SPEAKER_02: But bruh, it's so over.
17:18
SPEAKER_02: Cubs game's on.
17:19
SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah.
17:20
SPEAKER_02: Um how are we doing over there, Greg?
17:23
SPEAKER_02: Are we doing okay?
17:25
SPEAKER_00: Um we don't have this we don't have the score in front of us, but if you'd give us an update, we'd appreciate it.
17:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're down to nothing in the top of the third.
17:33
SPEAKER_00: That's okay.
17:33
SPEAKER_00: It's okay.
17:34
SPEAKER_00: It's got plenty of time to come back, dude.
17:35
SPEAKER_00: Plenty of time.
17:36
SPEAKER_00: Plenty of time.
17:36
SPEAKER_00: Plenty of time.
17:37
SPEAKER_00: Keep your hopes up, buddy.
17:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, keep your hopes up for sure.
17:40
SPEAKER_02: We also got another one here from Karen for Darren.
17:43
SPEAKER_02: Maybe Winhorst is hinting at a center by uh center by committee issue.
17:47
SPEAKER_02: Um Keon uh Key's money could have gone to a more legit center, Kessler Who.
17:53
SPEAKER_02: While height is rare, getting two or three dominant non-centers uh is arguably rare.
17:59
SPEAKER_02: Fair point.
18:00
SPEAKER_02: There is a this is a this is a league that is seeing the value again of a talented big.
18:07
SPEAKER_02: We're kind of going a little bit more retro with that.
18:09
SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, back in the days of like Tim Duncan, you know, that kind of style, where having you know, small balls in the way to win the game.
18:16
SPEAKER_02: You need seven footers that are playmaker that are talented.
18:20
SPEAKER_00: And and it's mostly because of players, and I say players, but I mean player like what Victor Rembenyama.
18:25
SPEAKER_00: Like it's he's just such a tough player, and knowing he's in the same conference as you, and you're gonna have to go up.
18:30
SPEAKER_00: How are you gonna match up?
18:31
SPEAKER_00: How are you gonna defend him?
18:32
SPEAKER_00: How are you gonna score more points than he is?
18:34
SPEAKER_00: Like, there's there's a ton of questions that the Jazz need to answer, but the good news is a month into the season, we're gonna know a lot of the answers.
18:41
SPEAKER_02: Right, because we've played them twice.
18:42
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
18:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I think we're gonna get answers to a lot of this stuff.
18:45
SPEAKER_02: I think beyond that, it's traditional center is actually really kind of a key importance to rib protection and defensive alignments and kind of having like the quarterback on defense, being able to read the read the rest of the court and be able to shout out instructions.
18:57
SPEAKER_02: I think that's kind of more important just simply being able to be able to size up against Wemby.
19:01
SPEAKER_02: I I don't think the Jazz are gonna have that problem.
19:02
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna have like two seven-footers that have the same athletic ability that he has, basically.
19:07
SPEAKER_02: And then you're also gonna have uh Nurkic, who is just gonna be pesky, putting a body on him, not letting him move.
19:13
SPEAKER_02: I just think we're gonna big physical.
19:14
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
19:15
SPEAKER_02: I think I think they have an answer for him.
19:16
SPEAKER_02: It would be nice to have a guy like Kessler, but he's almost a redundancy for this team in that case.
19:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
19:22
SPEAKER_02: So anyway, um, love the comments, guys.
19:24
SPEAKER_02: Keep them coming.
19:25
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna keep rolling on this here.
19:26
SPEAKER_02: Uh, let's go ahead and jump into our next subject that we want to talk about.
19:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is awesome.
19:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, okay.
19:31
SPEAKER_02: So there was an article on Yahoo Sports, uh, AJ, titled Uh, Was the Utah Jazz Starting Lineup just revealed?
19:38
SPEAKER_02: Uh, this was an article that wrapped up the first day of trading camp and some of the footage uh we were able to see on social media, which I'm gonna get back on that point later.
19:47
SPEAKER_02: Kind of hit on it hinted on it a little bit already, but back to the story there.
19:51
SPEAKER_02: Um, we'll get back to that later.
19:53
SPEAKER_02: But because uh I have thoughts, AJ.
19:55
SPEAKER_02: I want I want to talk about that a little bit.
19:56
SPEAKER_02: But this article is by James Hansen and it goes into uh posing a question.
20:02
SPEAKER_02: Uh, did the Utah Jazz show off their starting lineup in an opening scrimmage?
20:06
SPEAKER_02: Uh the video, the they posed that the video that was uh shown across social media had certain players wearing purple jerseys and other players wearing white jerseys.
20:15
SPEAKER_02: And the collection of players that were wearing purple jerseys seemed to indicate that the team is pointing in that direction as far as initially what their idea is for a starting lineup.
20:24
SPEAKER_02: Uh in this video, you're able to see KG3, DP, Lari, Triple J, and Nurkic all wearing purple.
20:31
SPEAKER_02: Uh while others, while then you also see uh Svee McKayluke, Isaiah Collier, Ace Bailey, Philip Kosky, Sensiba, and Jackson Waders, and that's like six or seven players right there, uh, all in white jerseys, right?
20:45
SPEAKER_02: So the argument on this that this article is making is that did the Jazz just show who they who they plan on starting uh at the beginning of the year in their first scrimmage on uh opening uh practice day.
20:57
SPEAKER_02: What do you think, AJ?
20:58
SPEAKER_00: Well, I I think that um it's kind of funny that it like if you're watching the video, especially um I watched the Hoops nerd video especially because he kind of breaks it down really uh pretty specifically.
21:11
SPEAKER_00: It's just the first five players that he saw in purple jerseys and just kind of assumed that they would be the star looking on it because the one the one thing you were incorrect on is uh Kyle Philipowski is also in a purple jersey.
21:25
SPEAKER_02: Well, in this one that they showed on the Yahoo sports, he's wearing a white one.
21:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but in all those same Media Day photos, Kyle Philipowski's also wearing a purple jersey.
21:33
SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah.
21:34
SPEAKER_00: So it like on the jazz social media post, like if you're looking at it, Philipowski's wearing one too.
21:39
SPEAKER_00: So I I just think it's kind of funny.
21:41
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I love I love the banter.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I honestly I don't know if I'm I mind the starting lineup.
21:47
SPEAKER_00: We've done a ton of videos on you know who we think the starting lineup's gonna be and you know how both of them kind of benefit.
21:53
SPEAKER_00: Um I think that there's gonna be a lot to learn for this team in the next couple of weeks.
21:57
SPEAKER_00: I think this team's got to figure out um and the They've got to figure out who, you know, who probably helps this team most in in each of those situations.
22:07
SPEAKER_00: And then I think a lot of the starting lineup is going to be situational based.
22:11
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
22:12
SPEAKER_00: Do we have do we have a traditional center in the lineup where we're going to need Nurk in there?
22:16
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, is it are they running a small ball type lineup where you're it you're not gonna get hurt and Jaron Jackson Jr.
22:22
SPEAKER_00: can play the five really easily and Ace Bailey comes in and helps you a ton on offense and defense.
22:26
SPEAKER_00: So I think a lot of this is going to be situational based.
22:29
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if the Jazz are gonna run a traditional starting five that you're gonna see every single night, right?
22:34
SPEAKER_00: This is the NBA, injuries happen.
22:36
SPEAKER_00: You've got to have guys ready to go night in, night out.
22:39
SPEAKER_00: And and I think Coach Hardy could be that guy that says, Who helps us win tonight?
22:44
SPEAKER_00: Not necessarily this is the preset lineup, these five guys are the starters.
22:50
SPEAKER_00: How who does that help?
22:51
SPEAKER_02: I understand that, but you gotta take into effect that this is a players league, player environment league, and these players who want to be known as starters.
23:00
SPEAKER_02: Some of these players who feel like they've earned that prestige want to be known as starters.
23:04
SPEAKER_02: And while they'll say they put the team first and and will you know take any role to help them win, if they don't hear their name in the starting lineup or see their name in the starting lineup, that's gonna affect their their brand, essentially.
23:17
SPEAKER_02: So there's I think there's a little bit more to that.
23:19
SPEAKER_02: That's a lot to get a coach to ask to buy into something like that, where it's like, oh, you know, some days we're gonna have Ace Bailey starting a third of the games, and then we're gonna have Keonta start a third.
23:29
SPEAKER_02: There might be times where Flip is starting a third of the game.
23:31
SPEAKER_02: No, not probably not that far.
23:32
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, probably not that far.
23:34
SPEAKER_02: But I I get what you're saying there.
23:35
SPEAKER_02: But to me, man, this story is really kind of brings up that Batman versus Superman meme.
23:39
SPEAKER_02: Remember that that scene in Batman versus Superman?
23:41
SPEAKER_02: I do not.
23:42
SPEAKER_02: When you had uh Morvius saying, breaking news, water, wet.
23:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:47
SPEAKER_02: You know, if you it carries this, would carry a lot more weight for me if this was the last practice before the first game.
23:54
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
23:55
SPEAKER_02: You know, we can theorize that this is what we think the starting lineup is gonna be for the Utah Jazz, and so that's makes sense that that's what they're gonna be running in scrimmage.
24:03
SPEAKER_02: We're not the only ones to think about this as a starting lineup.
24:05
SPEAKER_02: It makes sense to have this team uh have have like the most talented team that's out there.
24:10
SPEAKER_02: If they had this one's the most talented team, but like this is gonna be like the most you know dynamic team that would play off each other's uh talents the best.
24:18
SPEAKER_02: It makes sense to start this team.
24:19
SPEAKER_02: We talked about this starting lineup already ourselves on several videos.
24:23
SPEAKER_02: The problem is that you're gonna need to figure it out in camp.
24:26
SPEAKER_02: That's why they're doing that, and that's you know, why they have a lot of folks out there saying that this should be a starting lineup.
24:31
SPEAKER_02: It just makes sense for them to test this out, even on the first day.
24:34
SPEAKER_02: It also makes sense for them to run Ace, DP, KG3, Triple J, and Lari and have the most insanely talented lineup out there uh that they could possibly put on this court.
24:44
SPEAKER_02: It's just a lot to take away from day one, and it really kind of speaks back to what I was talking about before uh for content for the sake of content.
24:53
SPEAKER_02: I think a lot of this is falling into that category where you don't have a lot of these beat reporters being able to put it, be on the floor, making, you know, like looking at things, looking at practice and be able to take away an actual story, being there and being able to make a story.
25:09
SPEAKER_02: Or maybe it's just this simple chat fact of the change that beat writers are worried about their credentials and don't want to write anything that could potentially put them at risk of losing their credentials.
25:19
SPEAKER_02: So they're being very careful here.
25:21
SPEAKER_02: Um, we're writing articles and doing YouTube videos based off of social media posts from the team.
25:28
SPEAKER_02: Where's our hard-hitting stories?
25:30
SPEAKER_02: Where's our inside interviews from the beat reporters?
25:32
SPEAKER_02: Where's all that stuff that needs to be there instead of us talking about, you know, some random post on social media from the team itself?
25:40
SPEAKER_02: I just think this is unfortunately to me kind of sloppy that this thing took so much fire.
25:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, no, I I totally agree.
25:48
SPEAKER_00: And I I think I think some of my thing is is like, you know, you were just talking about players and their you know, their egos and and and how you're gonna have these young guys that it means a ton of them, uh means a ton to them that they are in the starting lineup.
26:06
SPEAKER_00: And I think if you're coach Bill Hardy, I think some of the way to kind of play off of some of that is you know the young guys want to be starters in this league, right?
26:15
SPEAKER_00: Like so just start the young guys.
26:18
SPEAKER_00: Like you you can make rotational changes one minute into one second into the game.
26:23
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
26:24
SPEAKER_00: Put them out there, let them let them run onto the floor and say they're the now starting for the jazz.
26:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, you know what I mean?
26:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, there's certain things you can't have like the players are gonna compare themselves.
26:34
SPEAKER_02: DP is not gonna be happy being the one who's not starting while um I don't know if DP knows.
26:39
SPEAKER_02: AJ DeBenza is starting for Washington, you know.
26:42
SPEAKER_00: But I don't think I don't think DP has any question that he's starting, right?
26:46
SPEAKER_00: I think the player that's questioning starting is gonna be Ace Bailey.
26:49
SPEAKER_00: And and again, we just did a video, and I think Ace Bailey deserves a start on this team.
26:53
SPEAKER_00: And if it means that much to Ace, then just start Ace.
26:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, two players who aren't gonna care if they're in the starting lineup, Lori Market and Yousuf Markets.
27:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, those two players aren't gonna care if their names called.
27:04
SPEAKER_00: But I think Laurie starts for this team every single time, too.
27:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I honestly think.
27:07
SPEAKER_00: But the thing is, I don't think Yusuf cares, right?
27:10
SPEAKER_00: And and and I think that's an easy enough conversation for him to for you know, Coach Will to have and say, hey, do you really care?
27:16
SPEAKER_00: And Yusuf's gonna be like, dude, you're you're paying me the same whether I'm out there to start the game or not.
27:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like exactly uh it's the reason that I sat the last 42 games or whatever because I had a deviated septum.
27:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like you guys are paying me, I'm out here to help, whatever I can do to help.
27:30
SPEAKER_00: Like, that's I I think that's the guy that Nurkic is.
27:33
SPEAKER_00: And if it means that much to Ace, then let Ace start.
27:36
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, make the rotation so that they make sense, put this team in a position to win.
27:40
SPEAKER_00: As a jazz fan, that's all I care about.
27:42
SPEAKER_00: I I don't care who the starting lineup is really.
27:46
SPEAKER_00: And I think we have a lot more to learn about this team before we're in a in a in a place where we can have a conversation and and legitimately say, hey, ace is better in this position, or no, we need to start Nurk, right?
27:57
SPEAKER_00: Like, we just don't know enough about this team.
27:58
SPEAKER_00: We don't know enough about how D P D P and Keontae are gonna play yet.
28:02
SPEAKER_00: So, like you said, it's it's just it's really fun banter that this this is where we're at in the in the in the preseason.
28:08
SPEAKER_00: You know, we're we're 21 days from from opening night, and it's like, okay, you know, yeah, let's get to some stuff that starts making sense here.
28:16
SPEAKER_02: I'm just we're three weeks away from tip.
28:17
SPEAKER_02: Isn't there something else we could be writing about?
28:19
SPEAKER_02: You think there's gotta be something, dude.
28:21
SPEAKER_02: I'm just I'm sorry.
28:22
SPEAKER_02: There's just it's yeah.
28:23
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna keep calling we're gonna keep calling out the BS of the traditional media when we when we see it, guys.
28:27
SPEAKER_00: So we really have to.
28:29
SPEAKER_00: Let's take some comments though.
28:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we got what up, gents.
28:31
SPEAKER_02: Uh great finally catching you live.
28:33
SPEAKER_02: We're glad to have you here, real Zach uh Roy.
28:35
SPEAKER_02: Appreciate it.
28:36
SPEAKER_02: Thanks for it.
28:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, thanks, man.
28:37
SPEAKER_02: Thanks for tuning in for catching us live, man.
28:39
SPEAKER_02: Appreciate it.
28:39
SPEAKER_02: Um, we try to make it easier on you guys and actually be our normal time this week.
28:43
SPEAKER_02: So, you know, it's a different day, different time, like how we've been doing lately.
28:46
SPEAKER_00: We do what we can do.
28:47
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
28:47
SPEAKER_00: So we try.
28:48
SPEAKER_02: That's why we say ish, you know, because we try to get around.
28:51
SPEAKER_00: Every one of them, yeah.
28:51
SPEAKER_02: So appreciate it, real Zach.
28:53
SPEAKER_02: Uh, thank you for joining us live here.
28:54
SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
28:55
SPEAKER_02: Comment here from McKinley saying, You guys uh see the Mark Stein report about Kessler.
29:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we actually talked about this on whether or not we actually wanted to talk about this today.
29:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we did.
29:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, uh basically talking about how you confirmed that the Jazz Front Office they didn't want to be in Utah and they didn't want to sign and trade.
29:10
SPEAKER_02: Uh it's sorry, that he he didn't want to be in Utah.
29:13
SPEAKER_02: And if they didn't sign and trade him, he would sign the qualifying offer.
29:18
SPEAKER_02: Yes, uh, we talked about this and it we were kind of torn on it because one, we we figured somebody would bring it up and we quickly chat about it.
29:25
SPEAKER_02: But the other side of it was it's just like there is so much there, there like, and it's like, how often are we gonna keep beating the dead horse that of a player who's not here anymore?
29:36
SPEAKER_00: And that's the biggest thing.
29:37
SPEAKER_00: Like, Walker Kessler's gone.
29:38
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we think it's pretty obvious now at this point that Walker Kessler did not want to be in Utah.
29:43
SPEAKER_00: Like, regardless of how many times it's been reported, I don't think he did want to be here.
29:47
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's it's the reason that he kind of kept positioning himself, it's the reason he kept asking for more money from Utah because he didn't he didn't want to play here.
29:55
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if it's necessarily that he wanted to play here.
29:57
SPEAKER_02: I don't think he liked the situation he was playing in.
29:59
SPEAKER_02: He didn't want to be on a team that was tanking on a year that would have been his contract year.
30:03
SPEAKER_02: Didn't help himself that he got hurt that year anyway, so it didn't really matter.
30:06
SPEAKER_02: Didn't like his usage in uh USA basketball.
30:09
SPEAKER_02: You know, he didn't like that the Jazz signed uh Jaron Jackson Jr.
30:13
SPEAKER_02: in a trade.
30:13
SPEAKER_02: He thought that was a problem for some stupid reason.
30:15
SPEAKER_02: I don't know why he thought got in his head that was a threat to him.
30:18
SPEAKER_00: Because playing on a really good defensive team makes his defensive numbers look less good.
30:22
SPEAKER_02: Well, and I think a great defensive player, so it wouldn't have mattered.
30:27
SPEAKER_02: Triple J is a great defensive player when he's playing a four, right?
30:31
SPEAKER_02: Okay, I see what you're saying there.
30:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, never mind, never mind.
30:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I see what you're saying there.
30:34
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, to me, it just this like this argument that he was pushing his way out of the jazz simply because he doesn't want to be in Utah.
30:41
SPEAKER_02: I'm not necessarily sold on that.
30:43
SPEAKER_02: I just know that he knew that he can get, I think he's trying to maximize how much money he's gonna get in a contract.
30:48
SPEAKER_02: And he knew the Utah Jazz didn't want to pay him what he has wanted, and he knew that he wasn't gonna be the focus of this team going forward.
30:55
SPEAKER_02: So, and he knew that Luca wanted a law big that he could play with, and so he since he found since the Lakers got Luca, he wanted to be a Lakers.
31:03
SPEAKER_02: I think that's kind of how it was working.
31:05
SPEAKER_02: Not necessarily didn't want to be here.
31:07
SPEAKER_02: Um, I think some of his social media posts was actually true into the heart.
31:10
SPEAKER_02: Like if the Jazz were willing to pay what the Lakers were willing to pay, he probably would have been willing to stay, you know.
31:15
SPEAKER_02: But in the same concept, you know, I don't know.
31:19
SPEAKER_02: I just think it's neither here nor there at this point.
31:22
SPEAKER_02: He's gone, he's where he wants to be, and now he has to prove that uh he can uh do it with the White Walkers of LA.
31:27
SPEAKER_00: And the best part is let's go watch the Jazz win without him.
31:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
31:30
SPEAKER_02: It's you know what I mean.
31:31
SPEAKER_00: As jazz fans, that's what we gotta do now.
31:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
31:33
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
31:34
SPEAKER_02: We'll see if he can stay on the court.
31:35
SPEAKER_02: I like this question here from uh Jordan.
31:37
SPEAKER_02: Um, what you have here is what position do you see Flip playing the majority of the time?
31:42
SPEAKER_00: Great question.
31:43
SPEAKER_02: I see him playing as an emergency center, but mostly gonna be power forward.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: I totally agree.
31:49
SPEAKER_00: I think you don't ever put Flip in a position where he needs to defend anybody that's as tall or taller than him.
31:55
SPEAKER_00: He's just not strong enough defensively.
31:57
SPEAKER_00: I mean, unless he made some major strides that this team has seen that has not been happened over the last couple of years.
32:04
SPEAKER_00: It he moves so slow um laterally, he can't stay in front of anybody.
32:10
SPEAKER_00: Uh, I mean, he he really has the last couple seasons, he's just been a defensive liability.
32:14
SPEAKER_00: Uh flip's a good scorer.
32:16
SPEAKER_00: You know, he does he does a pretty good job creating his own shot.
32:19
SPEAKER_00: He can score from the mid-range.
32:21
SPEAKER_00: But you you don't want to put him in any positions where flip is going to potentially hurt you defensively.
32:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it just the negative wingspan is a big problem there.
32:31
SPEAKER_02: So I don't think you want to put him in any position where he's the biggest.
32:34
SPEAKER_02: Great question, though.
32:34
SPEAKER_02: Love it.
32:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, love it.
32:35
SPEAKER_02: It's a great one.
32:36
SPEAKER_02: Um, are the best are their beat reporters for the Jazz?
32:42
SPEAKER_02: Well said.
32:43
SPEAKER_02: Well said, Shane.
32:45
SPEAKER_02: Uh, there used to be.
32:46
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if there are anymore.
32:47
SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, Tony Jones of the Athletic used to be a beat reporter for the Utah Jazz.
32:51
SPEAKER_02: He's not anymore.
32:51
SPEAKER_02: He is not.
32:52
SPEAKER_02: Um he's he is on the um he is on ESPN 700 with spend checkings every week for the for the NBA Daily Assist.
32:59
SPEAKER_02: He talks about the jazz still, but he's not uh I don't know.
33:02
SPEAKER_00: He's not necessarily the beat reporter anymore.
33:04
SPEAKER_00: I don't who is it now?
33:06
SPEAKER_00: There's gotta be a beat reporter.
33:07
SPEAKER_02: Well, here we got uh real Zachary Roy who says, Yep, uh Sharez Alada and Chandler Holt are great jazz beat reporters.
33:16
SPEAKER_02: Okay, perfect.
33:17
SPEAKER_02: There we go.
33:17
SPEAKER_02: We will check into it, real Zachary.
33:19
SPEAKER_02: I definitely want to get uh I usually uh who is it that's on the Des that's Deseret that does a great job?
33:24
SPEAKER_02: What's her name?
33:26
SPEAKER_00: Um Sarah Sarah Parker?
33:30
SPEAKER_00: Nope.
33:32
SPEAKER_02: Sarah Jones?
33:34
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
33:34
SPEAKER_02: There's somebody Sarah from Deseret.
33:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that does a good job.
33:38
SPEAKER_02: We like her content for sure.
33:39
SPEAKER_02: Don't know if she's technically a beat reporter uh for them or not.
33:42
SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure.
33:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:43
SPEAKER_02: Um we also have another comment here from uh Karen for Darren Hardy mentioned in an interview that he is going to be uh going to be um meritocracy.
33:52
SPEAKER_02: I have I'm not convinced uh that on day one DP is more a complete player than Ace.
33:58
SPEAKER_02: That's just a smart thing to say about uh your guy.
34:02
SPEAKER_02: You're protecting your player.
34:03
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
34:04
SPEAKER_00: And you have to.
34:04
SPEAKER_02: And Ace Ace started 30 games last year in in the NBA, and DP has yet to do that.
34:09
SPEAKER_02: So uh DP has yet to prove anything in the NBA uh at this point, uh, which is kind of laughable because we know how well that's gonna age.
34:15
SPEAKER_02: You know, he's gonna be great, guys.
34:17
SPEAKER_02: Like it's just there's just no getting around that for sure.
34:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, no doubt about it.
34:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, another comment here.
34:22
SPEAKER_02: McKinley says it makes me feel better about the return.
34:24
SPEAKER_02: Uh we got uh we got surprised, we got picked.
34:28
SPEAKER_02: Sorry, I can't read that.
34:29
SPEAKER_00: We got four picks for a guy trying to force his way out.
34:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, perfect.
34:33
SPEAKER_02: Great way of putting that, McKinley.
34:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, guy forcing his way out, and we ended up getting great haul for that, great hell for that.
34:40
SPEAKER_02: Um, attitude is why Utah signed K uh Key over Walker, Kessler California Ranger.
34:45
SPEAKER_02: Um, California Ranger.
34:47
SPEAKER_02: I like it.
34:48
SPEAKER_02: Uh Key has got Key has gone out of his way to advance the team, keeps uh kind of like Lily Spider.
34:55
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
34:55
SPEAKER_02: Uh a player grateful to be in Utah, worth uh locking up for sure.
35:00
SPEAKER_02: I like how he did a locking up there.
35:02
SPEAKER_02: Uh very nice.
35:03
SPEAKER_02: Uh, we also have uh Pacific Northway you'd is always like spot on on those things.
35:08
SPEAKER_02: Such good takes.
35:09
SPEAKER_02: He does love it.
35:10
SPEAKER_02: He loves he's really good on the wordplay.
35:12
SPEAKER_02: I know.
35:12
SPEAKER_02: I know it's so good.
35:13
SPEAKER_02: It's so good.
35:14
SPEAKER_02: I agree with Hardy.
35:15
SPEAKER_02: I don't think that we will know the lineups were uh lineups work until halfway through the season.
35:19
SPEAKER_02: So much of this team hasn't played uh uh real time together at all.
35:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think they say Larry uh Larry Marketing and um Triple J played a total of three games for 60 something in minutes, yeah.
35:35
SPEAKER_00: 69 minutes probably and triple J played five minutes above court time.
35:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think they averaged 22 minutes a game roughly together for three games until uh Triple J was shut down.
35:45
SPEAKER_02: Oh, this is terrible news.
35:46
SPEAKER_02: Sarah Todd.
35:47
SPEAKER_02: Sarah Todd, dang it, this is terrible news.
35:49
SPEAKER_00: Oh thank you.
35:50
SPEAKER_02: But Jay, she did a great job.
35:52
SPEAKER_00: Thanks for the heads up, though.
35:53
SPEAKER_00: Now we know now we know not to look for Sarah Todd's articles.
35:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, thanks for the update there, man.
35:58
SPEAKER_02: Appreciate it.
35:59
SPEAKER_02: Uh unfortunately Sarah Todd got fired and now is covering the Timberwolves fired.
36:03
SPEAKER_02: Jeez, that's a tough one there, Deseret.
36:06
SPEAKER_00: The Timberwolves is a good place to go, though.
36:08
SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of mixed jazz players on that team.
36:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like the Jimmy.
36:10
SPEAKER_02: Well, I guess there was where the Timberwolves light, technically, they were the payoff team.
36:14
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, yeah.
36:16
SPEAKER_00: But anyways, yeah.
36:18
SPEAKER_00: We hope the best to it.
36:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so before we uh move on there, AJ, anything uh that jump out to you about Media Day this year for the Utah Jazz, other than the fact that uh Locke insisted on calling it content day.
36:28
SPEAKER_00: Content day, yeah.
36:29
SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, that was so cringe.
36:31
SPEAKER_00: It was it was really weird, yeah.
36:32
SPEAKER_00: You know, I I really liked um just some of some of the Will Hardy content um was was really enjoyable.
36:39
SPEAKER_00: Some of his interviews were um, you know, he he just talked about you know getting this team together and gelling.
36:45
SPEAKER_00: Um I watched a lot of the Keonta George interviews and and I loved Keonta's take specifically on um, you know, they asked him like, what are your goals for the season?
36:56
SPEAKER_00: And and I I love that he broke it down and he was just his answers, and this is summarizing, right?
37:01
SPEAKER_00: So don't go overbatim on me here, but uh essentially saying that let's get through this week of you know the first week of training camp, and then let's get through the the first week and let's start playing some games.
37:12
SPEAKER_00: Like we want to do everything we can do to win every day, um, rather than rather than try to worry about what this team's gonna do at the end of the season.
37:19
SPEAKER_00: Right.
37:20
SPEAKER_00: And and like for a young player that's kind of um you know just signed a contract and you know trying to become the the semi-face of this franchise, I I love I love the the humility and all of that from a kid that's what 23, 24 years old.
37:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:37
SPEAKER_00: So I like it.
37:39
SPEAKER_00: I just I just I just love Keontae, dude.
37:41
SPEAKER_00: I just think he's such a stud.
37:42
SPEAKER_02: He is, he is.
37:43
SPEAKER_02: And to me, all of you in your voice are pointing towards the same thing, AJ.
37:46
SPEAKER_02: And that's that now expectations we have expectations with this team.
37:50
SPEAKER_02: You can hear it, uh, you can hear uh Coach Hardy say it.
37:52
SPEAKER_02: Um every conversation that they had with the front office, with the ownership group, with the players, with the coaches, the trainers, the everybody.
38:00
SPEAKER_02: Um, there are expectations for this team.
38:03
SPEAKER_02: Can Coach Hardy pull it off?
38:04
SPEAKER_02: Can he continue to develop Ace KG3?
38:07
SPEAKER_02: Can he develop DP into the superstar that we know he's designed to be in this league, that he's destined, not designed, but destined to be in this league.
38:13
SPEAKER_02: Uh, will he figure out how to play Lari and Triple J effectively and create and commit a new defensive identity for this team, all while winning basketball games?
38:24
SPEAKER_02: This is a tall order the Utah Jazz have for this coach.
38:28
SPEAKER_02: This is not just as simple as oh, go out there and win basketball games.
38:31
SPEAKER_02: You know, there's a lot more to that that he's gonna have to balance with this team going forward.
38:34
SPEAKER_02: So I think I love that we're hearing the conversations with the front office and we love the conversations that he's having with media and the buy-in the players seem to have with him.
38:44
SPEAKER_02: So I think that's kind of what Mia Day represented to me.
38:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I and I totally agree.
38:50
SPEAKER_00: And I and I think that we're gonna see soon enough, man.
38:53
SPEAKER_00: And it's just a super exciting time to be a jazz fan because because we're we're gonna see if Will Hardy can actually put it all together like we all think he can.
39:00
SPEAKER_02: Dude, love this Pacific Northwest.
39:02
SPEAKER_02: You Timber Todd now, I am sure.
39:05
SPEAKER_02: Timber Todd, that's great.
39:06
SPEAKER_02: I like it.
39:07
SPEAKER_02: Um, sorry, what are y'all's uh expectations of this season?
39:10
SPEAKER_02: Eight seed, three seed rebuild.
39:12
SPEAKER_02: Great question, Shane.
39:14
SPEAKER_02: So if you have seen one of our previous episodes, AJ has gone on record officially on the internet, say that this team's gonna win 50 games this year.
39:21
SPEAKER_00: I did backpedal.
39:22
SPEAKER_00: I did backpedal a little bit.
39:24
SPEAKER_00: That was before the Walker Kessler trade.
39:26
SPEAKER_00: Okay, and I I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but the team with Walker Kessler did look really good, right?
39:31
SPEAKER_00: With Triple J, Walker Kessler, Lari.
39:33
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, you have a potential number two pick.
39:36
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you add Keontae, you know, you've got some bench depth in Isaiah Collier and Bryce Sensibah, you know, even throwing there Kyle Philipowski, Svima Kyluke.
39:45
SPEAKER_00: Like this team looked really good.
39:46
SPEAKER_00: And and I was I was very committed to saying this team could win 50 games.
39:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
39:51
SPEAKER_00: I I have since backpedaled a little bit.
39:53
SPEAKER_00: I do still think they can get um I think they can have 45 wins.
39:56
SPEAKER_00: I I think that is um I think that's very attainable.
40:00
SPEAKER_00: I think I think this could be a really good basketball team.
40:02
SPEAKER_00: Um, they they do got to find a rhythm early and get some wins early.
40:06
SPEAKER_00: Um, but as long as they can do that and this team is remotely serviceable on the defensive end, they're not gonna they've got enough offensive talent, and uh it really just depends on how this team can mesh.
40:17
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
40:17
SPEAKER_00: But but I think it's possible.
40:19
SPEAKER_02: I mean, the ceiling is a sixth seed, the floor is a play-in.
40:21
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
40:22
SPEAKER_02: That's basically where we're where we're sitting at for this team.
40:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
40:24
SPEAKER_02: Uh so to answer your question there, uh, Shane.
40:27
SPEAKER_02: So uh my original pick was uh 45 wins.
40:30
SPEAKER_02: He said 50.
40:31
SPEAKER_02: Uh he's not backpedaling to 45 wins.
40:34
SPEAKER_02: Uh I'm staying strong on my 45.
40:36
SPEAKER_02: I don't think there's any reason to so glad to hear.
40:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so you know, I'm staying right where I am on that one.
40:42
SPEAKER_02: Um, I just because this team's in the west, man.
40:44
SPEAKER_02: Like if they were in the east, I I I would have higher expectations for him.
40:48
SPEAKER_00: But and I would say lower with all the changes over the season.
40:51
SPEAKER_00: Because the east got tougher and the west got a little bit more manageable.
40:55
SPEAKER_02: I don't I would disagree, man.
40:57
SPEAKER_02: I think OKC is great.
40:58
SPEAKER_02: The Spurs are actually trying to win games more this year than they did last year.
41:03
SPEAKER_00: Um as far as that's exactly what I'm saying, though, is I think the West got tough.
41:07
SPEAKER_00: Oh, no, I would I said the other way.
41:09
SPEAKER_00: East got tougher.
41:10
SPEAKER_00: East got LeBron.
41:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but they also moved like they moved a powerhouse from Boston to Philly, like, and they added LeBron, which is you know still a 30-point scorer night guy, right?
41:21
SPEAKER_02: He's still top 10 player in the league.
41:22
SPEAKER_02: Don't get me wrong, LeBron's still that dude, right?
41:25
SPEAKER_02: But I, you know, it you moved him out of the league.
41:28
SPEAKER_02: It's like, okay, you know, but you still have like you know, you still have the Spurs that are gonna, you know, be dominating the West.
41:34
SPEAKER_02: You still have OKC, you still have the Timberwolves, you still have, you know, these teams that are gonna be in front of you that you were that you've been chasing, that you're still gonna have to chase.
41:43
SPEAKER_02: I think the only teams that really fell off were maybe Golden State, you know, isn't as good.
41:48
SPEAKER_02: Maybe the Lakers will be slightly worse than they were before because they were a play-in team.
41:52
SPEAKER_00: I would think the Lakers, I would think the Lakers will be.
41:54
SPEAKER_02: So if you really like, okay, that's one team that was ahead of you that's fallen behind you now.
41:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, and I guess Milwaukee's not as good, but now Miami's way better.
42:03
SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, I don't know.
42:05
SPEAKER_02: There's just there's and are they will way better?
42:08
SPEAKER_02: Like there's redundancies there on the well, we can't how are they gonna play together?
42:12
SPEAKER_00: We can't give ourselves a double negative on talking redundancies here.
42:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I can you definitely can't have two bigs that are redundant to each other?
42:22
SPEAKER_00: Yes, you definitely can.
42:24
SPEAKER_00: We we talked about this before.
42:25
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I believe that Bam and and Giannis are as much of redundancies as as it appears at first sight.
42:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't I think I think Giannis is absolutely useless in a half-court set defense.
42:37
SPEAKER_02: Like he can't play make off of that.
42:39
SPEAKER_02: He he's got but BAM is BAM can do that.
42:42
SPEAKER_02: You need Giannis is great in transition, excellent in transition, top three player in NBA in transition.
42:48
SPEAKER_02: But as soon as you get a set defense lockdown, like you got the 12 second shot clock that you're working down.
42:53
SPEAKER_00: But I think that just proves that how how efficient that Miami could be in scoring the basketball, right?
42:58
SPEAKER_00: Because you have a really great transition player in in Giannis, and then once you get into that half-court set defense, you you still can't leave Giannis alone anywhere, right?
43:09
SPEAKER_00: I mean I I guess I guess he's not a massive three-point threat, right?
43:13
SPEAKER_00: But you still can't just leave him unguarded anywhere.
43:16
SPEAKER_02: True.
43:17
SPEAKER_02: I just I just don't think that the you know, because again, uh, you know what, two years ago, Miami was made all the way to the finals.
43:23
SPEAKER_02: So it's not like you shook it up too much.
43:25
SPEAKER_02: Like there was last year, yeah, they weren't great, but the year before they were, and you were still the east was still there in that case.
43:31
SPEAKER_02: So like I don't know.
43:32
SPEAKER_02: I just don't I just think that the west didn't get that much weaker, even though the east did get stronger.
43:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I still don't think the east is as strong as the west.
43:38
SPEAKER_02: So that's why I say the Utah Jets, if they were in East Coast team, would have a higher win total than they do in the West.
43:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean the Knicks are still in the East.
43:46
SPEAKER_00: They they just won it all with Jalen Brunson, who's five foot four.
43:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but they've been pretty steadily a decent team for the last couple of years.
43:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I agree.
43:54
SPEAKER_02: So I don't know.
43:55
SPEAKER_04: We can we're gonna debate this.
43:57
SPEAKER_02: We're debating uh about a team that we just simply don't know.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: This is actually a jazz channel, so this is just us just going back and forth with NBA talk, period.
44:04
SPEAKER_00: We like it, we like it.
44:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:05
SPEAKER_02: Uh we got Ta Timber indeed.
44:07
SPEAKER_02: See, it's already catching on there.
44:08
SPEAKER_02: Uh Pacific Northwest hute.
44:10
SPEAKER_02: Uh we also have uh the East uh is way tougher this year.
44:14
SPEAKER_00: Yes, I believe Darren will fight you, apparently.
44:16
SPEAKER_02: They are tougher.
44:17
SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't say that they're necessarily as strong as the West.
44:21
SPEAKER_02: Uh Heat and Jazz finals, love that.
44:23
SPEAKER_02: Appreciate it, Shane.
44:24
SPEAKER_02: Not happening, buddy, but I I think I appreciate your ambition.
44:27
SPEAKER_02: Love it.
44:28
SPEAKER_02: Love it.
44:28
SPEAKER_02: I'm hoping that.
44:29
SPEAKER_02: Mammy's going to be keep it running.
44:30
SPEAKER_02: Uh see.
44:31
SPEAKER_02: Mammy is going to keep running this season with Giannis now.
44:35
SPEAKER_00: It's going to keep he's saying running like to keeping the ball moving up the floor.
44:38
SPEAKER_00: They're going to keep pushing after.
44:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
44:41
SPEAKER_02: Which is good.
44:42
SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, just and then the teams that were below the jazz are still below the jazz.
44:47
SPEAKER_02: And the teams, the jazz were competing against.
44:49
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if there's anybody below the jazz.
44:50
SPEAKER_00: They were the worst team in the conference last year.
44:54
SPEAKER_02: Yes, but they were trying to lose.
44:55
SPEAKER_02: You know, I'm saying, like, if you tried to get it.
44:57
SPEAKER_02: I agree, but you you they would still be around uh uh uh they would if they tried last year, you and I both agree they would have been a play-in team.
45:04
SPEAKER_02: So every team that didn't make it in the West would have been technically below them, which are still below them this year, in my opinion.
45:10
SPEAKER_02: Almost the exact same teams.
45:12
SPEAKER_00: Right.
45:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
45:13
SPEAKER_02: Even with John Moran on the Portland Trailways, I don't think that makes a damn bit of difference.
45:16
SPEAKER_00: But no, no, that doesn't that doesn't move the needle at all.
45:19
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45:21
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45:22
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46:26
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46:27
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46:42
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46:44
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46:45
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46:47
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, something like that.
46:56
SPEAKER_00: We can do things, yeah.
46:57
SPEAKER_00: We got to do that.
46:58
SPEAKER_02: We should do things.
46:58
SPEAKER_02: We should do more things.
46:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
47:00
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47:03
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47:23
SPEAKER_02: All right, everybody.
47:23
SPEAKER_02: Let's go ahead and kick off our conversation on the Utes about by recapping Utah football against Iowa State, shall we?
47:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let's do it.
47:33
SPEAKER_02: All right.
47:33
SPEAKER_02: So the Utes entered uh Ames uh with and left with a record with sorry, leaves with a victory of 31 to 17.
47:41
SPEAKER_02: Uh the first half, Utah was dominant.
47:43
SPEAKER_02: Devin Dampier was extremely effective uh early on in this game, and the defense seemed to have Ohio State figured out.
47:50
SPEAKER_02: Uh now if you turned off the game, AJ, at halftime, uh you and you checked the end score game, you thought you pretty much had a figured this game figured out where it wasn't close at all.
48:00
SPEAKER_02: Uh, which AJ, you would have been wrong.
48:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's correct.
48:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you'd you'd have been really wrong because um, I mean, me personally, I really liked what I saw from the offense in the first half of this game.
48:10
SPEAKER_00: And then in the second half, it was pretty obvious that Utah was just doing something different.
48:15
SPEAKER_00: I mean, offensively, uh, you know, defensively, it seemed like, you know, they'd kind of lost a step.
48:20
SPEAKER_00: They weren't doing the same things because we had really stumped their offense um in the first half of the game.
48:27
SPEAKER_00: And then, you know, we went into that third quarter and everything just looked a little bit um, you know, we were we were talking about this off-air, kind of as we were reviewing this.
48:35
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, you had mentioned that Morgan Scally had said in the postgame that they were they were hunting the big plays a little bit more in that third quarter.
48:42
SPEAKER_00: And I think that really showed.
48:44
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I mean, it it just looked like they had gone a little bit more pass heavy.
48:47
SPEAKER_00: They'd moved away from, you know, just handing the ball off and trying to get four or five yards and keeping a defense honest.
48:52
SPEAKER_00: They were dropping another guy into coverage, and and the youths were struggling to get open receivers, and and it was kind of forcing them to make really tough catches, which turned into a couple of three and outs where we were punting the ball back.
49:04
SPEAKER_00: The defense was on the field longer.
49:06
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it just all those things stack up through the through the course of a quarter of a quarter, right?
49:10
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's yeah, it's 15 minutes of playing time, but those those guys were out there, you know, for the majority of that third quarter, and it and you could tell it was just wearing down the defense.
49:19
SPEAKER_00: Um so then when it came down to the fourth, the youths, the youths really did what they needed to.
49:25
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I mean, they they just methodically, right?
49:29
SPEAKER_00: Like Iowa State had scored 14 unanswered.
49:31
SPEAKER_00: It was 17, they were within, you know, they were up to 17 points, they were within a touchdown, and and the youths just they just marched the ball down the field.
49:39
SPEAKER_00: There, there was nothing that Iowa could stay Iowa State could do to stop them.
49:43
SPEAKER_00: They put the ball in the end zone and they went out there and played tough to Utah football defense.
49:47
SPEAKER_00: And that was kind of exactly what what what we needed this team to do, right?
49:52
SPEAKER_00: Um because um lost my place in my notes.
49:59
SPEAKER_00: Uh like when you were diving, like after I dove into that defensive, like that third quarter, um it it was really, it was really tough to watch because the defense was struggling.
50:09
SPEAKER_00: Um and and they were they were struggling specifically with the running back coming out of the backfield, and it was forcing John O'Hall to pretty much defend that um that that running back, and uh he was he had to he he was forcing him to play much quicker than he really wanted to.
50:27
SPEAKER_00: Um and it was kind of forcing him into coverage.
50:29
SPEAKER_00: He was playing really soft coverage, and and Iowa State was just taking the six, seven yards every single play that the youths were giving him.
50:36
SPEAKER_00: And really, for two straight drives, they just marched the ball.
50:39
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they just took the six, seven yards, you know, they'd throw a couple other routes in there, they'd run the ball up the middle, and it was just it was just giving John O'Hall fits.
50:46
SPEAKER_00: But I I think that I've I know that I really love how John O'Hall responded to this because it wasn't long before he realized that um that they were that they were just targeting him, right?
50:58
SPEAKER_00: They the everything they were doing was they were throwing the ball directly at wherever he was at.
51:02
SPEAKER_00: And he tightened up his coverage, he made some great pass breakups, and and it showed Iowa State, like this isn't the guy we probably want to mess with too much longer, right?
51:09
SPEAKER_00: Like it he he jumped in front of a couple routes where he almost got his hands on the ball, and they're like, okay, maybe we've exhausted this resource at this point.
51:17
SPEAKER_00: So it was a really it was a strong game for the youths, and I'm glad, I'm so glad that they faced some adversity on the road, and we got to see how this team reacted to that adversity because um it was a loud, it was a hostile environment, just like we thought it would be, right?
51:34
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we we didn't say anything bad about Iowa State.
51:36
SPEAKER_00: We knew it was gonna be a crazy environment.
51:38
SPEAKER_00: Iowa State has some great fans, um, but the youths just continued to execute.
51:43
SPEAKER_00: They they just they kept going, you know, they had a couple bad drives, you know, you it looked like they'd lost all the steam, all the momentum was flowing out Iowa State's way, and and I just love what I saw from both sides of the ball.
51:54
SPEAKER_00: And we just we don't want we don't want our first real test to be really faced in a situation where the game is much more important than this one.
52:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
52:05
SPEAKER_02: I think you're I think you what you hit on there was pretty spot on on the value of this game.
52:09
SPEAKER_02: We mentioned several times, especially me uh talking about several times about how so far this year we still don't know what this team is.
52:16
SPEAKER_02: We haven't really faced anything, we haven't really had to and and face zero adversity.
52:21
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
52:22
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
52:26
SPEAKER_02: Yet you know, we faced a bunch of play, we faced a bunch of teams that aren't necessarily on the same level as the Utes, so we really don't know anything yet of this team.
52:34
SPEAKER_02: What I think it's very, very valuable and very, very telling about this one is that this one finally gives us something.
52:40
SPEAKER_02: They didn't simply just blow out the cyclones from start to finish.
52:43
SPEAKER_02: Uh, they did build a big lead, they watched the opponent fight back, and then they answered back uh to that run.
52:50
SPEAKER_02: You know, they got punched in the mouth and they responded a little bit, right?
52:54
SPEAKER_02: They actually had to do it, and like you mentioned, spot on.
52:56
SPEAKER_02: The key part about this was, you know, while they're considered to finish in the bottom of the conference, it's still a hostile environment on the road, and they still found a way to say, okay, you made your run.
53:07
SPEAKER_02: That's enough now.
53:08
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna put it into it.
53:09
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna put another point on the board, we're gonna put another point, put another score on the board here and keep this out of reach for you guys.
53:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, got to.
53:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I absolutely love that they did it.
53:16
SPEAKER_02: They did it without, I think, a lot of stress or panic or you know, it felt very poised, marching the ball down the field, yeah.
53:24
SPEAKER_00: You know, getting themselves into position where we were sure they were gonna score.
53:27
SPEAKER_00: Like they were at least getting a field goal at one point, and they just kept feeding away Sean Parker, and you just kept saying, This is the guy, this is what we needed.
53:34
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna come on him in just a second.
53:36
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
53:36
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, so I think you're spot on there.
53:38
SPEAKER_02: I think just this game was never really out of hand for the Utes.
53:40
SPEAKER_02: I don't really feel like you ever, or if you're watching this game live, you were there that the Uts were ever at risk of losing this game.
53:45
SPEAKER_02: It would have been a huge upset if they did.
53:47
SPEAKER_02: I just think that this was, again, a a great value win for Utah to kind of tell us more about this team than what we've been able to see so far.
53:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
53:55
SPEAKER_02: We got a comment here from Greg Hawkins saying the refs of this game were atrocious, and Ohio State was trying to injure Parking.
54:03
SPEAKER_02: Sorry.
54:03
SPEAKER_02: Did I say Ohio?
54:04
SPEAKER_02: You did.
54:05
SPEAKER_02: This is something that's just wrong with me, guys.
54:07
SPEAKER_02: It's just something in my head.
54:08
SPEAKER_02: It's just how I see those backwards.
54:10
SPEAKER_02: I don't know why.
54:10
SPEAKER_02: Iowa versus Ohio State.
54:12
SPEAKER_02: It's just how it's gonna be, man.
54:13
SPEAKER_02: I appreciate you guys bearing with me there.
54:15
SPEAKER_02: Apparently, AJ does not want to give me a second breath on that one.
54:18
SPEAKER_00: Nope.
54:18
SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, I spot on I'm with you there, man.
54:21
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna talk a little bit about Weishawn after the the game he had, man.
54:24
SPEAKER_02: And it's just yeah, I think that there was a little bit of uh obvious uh not I wouldn't want to say targeting, maybe targeting, I don't know, but it kind of felt like I was worried for him for a second there.
54:38
SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna lie.
54:39
SPEAKER_00: I think it more looked like um just like blatant attempts to be very physical.
54:47
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
54:47
SPEAKER_00: Like pulling, pulling hard to get him down.
54:50
SPEAKER_00: Um they just they they they were just playing very, very physical football with a guy that was just absolutely torturing them.
54:59
SPEAKER_02: I I love uh just off the top subject there, I love the dry fit and how that just kind of beat you down that Nike dry fit DNA sports recap where you spilled some apple juice on yourself there, did not soak in, just rolled right off.
55:09
SPEAKER_02: So, you know, check out the merch store.
55:11
SPEAKER_02: Um, anyway, uh we got another got another comment here from the Pacific Northwest at Craig Hawkins.
55:16
SPEAKER_02: Cyclones will be well served to pick on someone their own size.
55:19
SPEAKER_02: Very true, very, very true.
55:22
SPEAKER_02: Um, speaking of Weishaw, man, that's definitely something we want to talk about.
55:26
SPEAKER_02: Sure is.
55:26
SPEAKER_02: Um, so AJ, um, I don't know if you caught this or not, but Wei Shaw and Parker did earn big player, big 12 player of the week honors this from last week.
55:36
SPEAKER_02: This week?
55:37
SPEAKER_02: For last week, this week, yeah.
55:38
SPEAKER_02: This is the way to put it.
55:39
SPEAKER_02: Um, after diving, um, you know, after diving into it a little bit more, I found some other different stuff for you here on this one, AJ.
55:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
55:46
SPEAKER_02: So Spence Checkets on ESPN 700 is making an argument that Parker has elevated not only his game to star status, uh, but belongs in the conversation for the Big 12 player of the year.
55:58
SPEAKER_02: And his argument, AJ, is Big 12 offensive player of the year, right?
56:02
SPEAKER_02: Uh, it just says Big 12 player of the year could be offensive player of the year.
56:05
SPEAKER_02: I know that there's uh war for both, correct?
56:08
SPEAKER_02: Offensive and defensive player of the year, yeah.
56:09
SPEAKER_02: Um, but it's when it comes to that, it's it's threefold on this one.
56:13
SPEAKER_02: First is gonna be the unmatched versatility rather than just acting like a traditional one-dimensional rusher.
56:18
SPEAKER_02: Um, Parker's, you know, very heavily involved in the passing game and creates, you know, um, you know, very uh irritating mismatch for most teams he's playing with because you don't know if he's gonna run the short route, if he's gonna be running from the back.
56:31
SPEAKER_02: You don't know where this guy is, and especially when you throw in two quarterbacks out there, our running back is a receiver, we have a quarterback as a running back, and our actual quarterback is also a running back who's also gonna run the short route, too.
56:43
SPEAKER_02: You don't know where anybody's gonna go on there.
56:44
SPEAKER_00: And I mean, way Sean Parker takes snaps.
56:47
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he'll line he'll line up in the wildcats, take the snap, hand the ball off, and then they'll flip it again, and then somebody's throwing it up the field.
56:54
SPEAKER_02: It's like dogs and cats living together, total chaos out there.
56:57
SPEAKER_02: It's just total chaos.
56:59
SPEAKER_00: It's so much fun to watch.
57:00
SPEAKER_00: It really is.
57:01
SPEAKER_00: It is so much fun to watch.
57:02
SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, the unmatched versatility that he has, the elite production in big games.
57:05
SPEAKER_02: Uh again, pointing out the domination, dominant uh run that he had uh for uh the Utes against Iowa State.
57:13
SPEAKER_02: First play from scrimmage, Iowa State.
57:16
SPEAKER_02: I said right that time.
57:17
SPEAKER_02: Great job, dude.
57:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, while he pilot on a career high, 174 rushing yards and 239 all-purpose yards along three touchdowns.
57:26
SPEAKER_02: So the fact that it's 239 all-purpose yards tells you how much this guy is catching the ball, you know, and not just doing the standard runs.
57:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, it's absolutely insane.
57:36
SPEAKER_02: And to prove that he's carried, you know, he's and he's basically proving that he can carry a high octane offense through physical adversity while on the road.
57:45
SPEAKER_02: Um, and then also, you know, the national star trajectory, multiple touchdowns.
57:49
SPEAKER_02: Uh, sorry, this multiple gains with three touchdown performances under his belt early this season already.
57:56
SPEAKER_02: Spence Checkets argues that the rest of the college college football world is actively taking notice of his trajectory and making him a conference premier offensive weapon.
58:06
SPEAKER_02: Um Yeah, man, what are your thoughts on our on our guy, Wishan Parker?
58:10
SPEAKER_02: Do you think he's got an argument here?
58:12
SPEAKER_00: I I think absolutely.
58:13
SPEAKER_00: I mean, because because Weishan is the complete package, and you mentioned the things as far as offensive production and you know, just saying how well he catches the ball and how well he runs the ball, he does.
58:24
SPEAKER_00: Weishan has great balance.
58:25
SPEAKER_00: Um, he is shifty.
58:27
SPEAKER_00: He just runs the ball so damn hard.
58:29
SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean, he hits the hole and he'll make a spin move and just make three guys miss.
58:34
SPEAKER_00: But I think something that's really kind of undervalued is how well he's done in pass block this year.
58:39
SPEAKER_00: He's done a really good job making sure that Devin Dampier has plenty of time to get the ball up the field when they are throwing.
58:44
SPEAKER_00: Um, I saw a statistic from Steve Bartle on KSL today that Utah is throwing the ball deeper on or is connected in 20% of their their deep routes, which is double what they did last year.
58:57
SPEAKER_00: So they're throwing the ball down the field, making vertical long passes a lot more than they than they ever have, which is really great.
59:05
SPEAKER_00: But the only way you can make those passes happen if you've got a running black, a running back, right?
59:09
SPEAKER_00: Our our big concern this year going into the season was the offensive line.
59:12
SPEAKER_00: How are they going to hold up?
59:13
SPEAKER_00: I think they're doing great.
59:14
SPEAKER_00: Um, I think Iowa State was the first real test for this offensive line.
59:18
SPEAKER_00: I think they did pretty I think they did a pretty good job um protecting uh Dampere the whole time, but but Weyshawn Parker was back there, and I don't think he gets enough credit for how well he's pass blocked and helped given Dampere.
59:30
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he he also does a great job of you know hitting a quick block and then going out into the flat and catching a ball when he just needs somewhere to get rid of it to and still get positive yards and make and make a difference in all these little ways.
59:41
SPEAKER_00: So it's been really fun to watch Weyshawn.
59:43
SPEAKER_00: He's he's like turned into one of those players that when the offense is out there and Weyshawn's there, you can just watch what he's doing and it's always fun because he'll make a great block, run into the flat, catch a pass, you know, make two guys miss and gain six yards.
59:56
SPEAKER_00: You're like, okay, well, I wonder what Weishan's gonna do this time.
59:59
SPEAKER_00: So it's been it's been really cool.
1:00:01
SPEAKER_00: And I know I know that um I just know that if he continues the way this season is going, there's gonna be a couple things we see.
1:00:08
SPEAKER_00: Um, for one, the youths will keep winning.
1:00:10
SPEAKER_00: So you keep putting the ball in Weishan's hands, you let him play with confidence and the pure just toughness that he runs and plays with.
1:00:17
SPEAKER_00: And uh it's just always gonna be a good thing.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_00: This will this team will keep winning if Wei Shawn keeps playing the way that he does.
1:00:23
SPEAKER_00: And B, um, yes, he will absolutely be, you know, one of the top offensive players this year.
1:00:28
SPEAKER_00: The youths will need to lean on him.
1:00:30
SPEAKER_00: And I think the way um I think the way that they kind of uh the the way that they've leaned on him to become a leader on this offense has been so important and and it's just what the youths needed because Devin Dampier is great, he just he keeps everything moving, he keeps it flowing.
1:00:46
SPEAKER_00: But um when you have a guy like Weishan that you can just lean on on the field and give him the ball and get the yardage you need, um you know everyone on the field knows the ball's going to Weyshawn Parker, and he there's still nothing you can do about it.
1:01:00
SPEAKER_00: So you gotta love um what we're seeing from Weishon.
1:01:03
SPEAKER_00: And yes, I think he's absolutely on the trajectory to be the Big 12 offensive player of the year.
1:01:07
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely love a man.
1:01:09
SPEAKER_02: So far, 328 yards total uh on his way to 1200 yards for this uh for this young man here.
1:01:14
SPEAKER_02: So uh that was his goal to hit uh 1200 yards this year, right?
1:01:18
SPEAKER_02: 100 yards every game.
1:01:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and he's got 328 rushing so far.
1:01:23
SPEAKER_02: Uh according to ESPN, 328 yards total.
1:01:27
SPEAKER_02: Uh if we look over uh so as far as carrying, those are carries, total yards off of carries.
1:01:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he had 174 yes uh last week.
1:01:37
SPEAKER_02: 30 the week before against Utah State, 502 the year the and then Yeah, that I I guess that sounds pretty close.
1:01:45
SPEAKER_00: Because I know his his his total yards are much higher.
1:01:49
SPEAKER_00: Because obviously his all-purpose yards are gonna be higher, but yeah, this is this is rushing yards.
1:01:53
SPEAKER_00: Just rushing yards, yeah.
1:01:54
SPEAKER_00: And his goal was 1200 rushing yards this year.
1:01:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:01:56
SPEAKER_00: But I think that's before we knew he was gonna be so good at catching the ball out of the backfield.
1:01:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
1:02:01
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, rushing yards 328 uh total yards, I believe, is what we are seeing here.
1:02:06
SPEAKER_02: And uh yeah, so I'm just curious.
1:02:09
SPEAKER_02: We wanted to see how close we're getting on that stupid pop-up ad.
1:02:13
SPEAKER_02: Um so uh yeah, I don't know, man.
1:02:16
SPEAKER_02: I'm really excited about it.
1:02:17
SPEAKER_02: I'm really excited to see if this kid can uh accomplish it because I think he's definitely well on his way, man, for sure.
1:02:22
SPEAKER_02: I don't uh see any argument against him for sure.
1:02:25
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, no, I totally agree, but I got one more thing on youths that I wanted to talk to you about.
1:02:29
SPEAKER_00: Did you notice how little Bert Vickham was used in the Iowa State game?
1:02:34
SPEAKER_02: I I yeah, and it was it was a pleasant surprise for me uh because you know how I feel about this, AJ.
1:02:42
SPEAKER_02: This is a running gag on this show.
1:02:43
SPEAKER_02: I think the youths are playing with fire here by having both of their quarterbacks on the field taking hits and running the ball at the same time.
1:02:50
SPEAKER_02: I'm just like, not in the same time, but in the same like same drive.
1:02:54
SPEAKER_02: I'm just like, we are playing with fire having QB1 and QB two both taking hits in the same drive.
1:03:00
SPEAKER_02: That's just asking for it.
1:03:01
SPEAKER_02: But anyway, yes, I did notice.
1:03:03
SPEAKER_02: Why do you bring it up, AJ?
1:03:04
SPEAKER_00: I just I just think that uh I think it's it's it's really kind of funny because we saw so many of the Bird Ficklin looks in those first couple of games.
1:03:12
SPEAKER_00: And I feel like now that we've been into one not one actual conference game, all of those offensive looks and non-conference play were really just to kind of keep teams like guessing whenever they put Bird out there.
1:03:23
SPEAKER_00: It was like they were just playing like this really awesome chess match, you know, for the rest of the season.
1:03:29
SPEAKER_00: Because they're like, now we've shown all this stuff with Bird on the field.
1:03:33
SPEAKER_00: So now if we want to run him out for one or two plays in an actual game, you don't you have no idea what he's gonna do because he can obviously throw it up the field.
1:03:40
SPEAKER_00: He can obviously run it.
1:03:42
SPEAKER_00: Like we might, we might pass, we might throw the ball to him, might just set him up as a wide receiver and and have him take the sweep and then hand the ball back off.
1:03:49
SPEAKER_00: Like, so I I think it's really cool to kind of see how this offensive progression has just really changed for the youths because it's like you know, the first two games it was just chaos the whole time.
1:04:00
SPEAKER_00: Like you just never knew where the ball was going.
1:04:02
SPEAKER_00: And now they're kind of evolving it where it's like, well, now we don't got Bird on the field, but if he does come on the field, what do you think we're gonna do?
1:04:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, congratulations to the Iowa State uh defensive coordinator, had to spend probably about two or three hours researching all the trick plays that they could throw just to have him not do it.
1:04:16
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's probably just like but but doesn't that feel like that's part of the game plan?
1:04:21
SPEAKER_00: Oh, absolutely.
1:04:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
1:04:23
SPEAKER_02: I love it, dude.
1:04:23
SPEAKER_02: I absolutely love it.
1:04:24
SPEAKER_02: I have something for you as well, AJ.
1:04:26
SPEAKER_00: I'm ready.
1:04:26
SPEAKER_02: Uh so the uh QB power rankings came out.
1:04:29
SPEAKER_02: Um, did you see this, AJ?
1:04:30
SPEAKER_02: Uh there where they ranked all the 68 uh P4 conference quarterbacks.
1:04:35
SPEAKER_00: I actually did not see this one.
1:04:36
SPEAKER_02: Okay, this one was posted, I believe, on Monday.
1:04:39
SPEAKER_02: Um Devin Dampier ranked 14th, which was right ahead uh Bear Beckmeyer at 15, uh, respectfully.
1:04:46
SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, what are your thoughts on our guy here, Devin Dampier?
1:04:50
SPEAKER_02: You know, there's a lot of talk about him going into last year, like how much of it was, you know, the benefactor of his offensive coordinator that he's worked with uh for several years, now coming in with a new offensive coordinator.
1:05:03
SPEAKER_02: And also he literally had four offensive, five offensive linemen that were NFL ready, three of them first round picks, uh, that were basically protecting him last year.
1:05:12
SPEAKER_02: And how much of that was that, you know, to see that even coming into this year that he's holding his own with a new offensive coordinator and a new offensive line that isn't, you know, no slouch for sure, but not what it was last year, still holding down and and being that 14th uh ranked uh QB in all P4.
1:05:29
SPEAKER_00: I think with all the things that you just mentioned, it's really hard to think that there's 14 quarterbacks better than Devin Dampier.
1:05:36
SPEAKER_00: Um and and up and uh do you have the list in front of you?
1:05:38
SPEAKER_02: I actually have some notables that I I want to break down here.
1:05:42
SPEAKER_02: Uh, these are gonna be in conference notables.
1:05:44
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:05:45
SPEAKER_02: That are mentioning.
1:05:46
SPEAKER_02: Uh, first is gonna be okay state crap cracking the top 10maker with uh number nine.
1:05:51
SPEAKER_02: Uh he drew Mestermaker is number nine.
1:05:54
SPEAKER_02: And then we also have Houston's uh Connor Wiegman, uh, who is right behind front of Devin Dam.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_02: At number 13.
1:06:01
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:06:02
SPEAKER_02: So I'm not sold on Connor uh being ahead of Devin Dampier.
1:06:07
SPEAKER_00: I do not think Connor Wigman is better than Devin Dampier, especially because like you said, it it was really easy to kind of um dismiss all the things that Devin Dampier did last year because we did have you know two offensive linemen that went to the NFL.
1:06:21
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they were first round draft picks.
1:06:23
SPEAKER_00: And and that is a lot to replace as far as production and and protection and you know, making sure that we can get into the stuff.
1:06:29
SPEAKER_00: Everyone wanted to say that, you know, um that uh Jason Beck's offensive scheme was designed specifically for Devin Dampier, right?
1:06:40
SPEAKER_00: They like that was a thing that like the big excuse was is Devin Dampier is not going to be able to excel in an offense that forces to throw the ball up the field because he's just too much of a dual threat quarterback.
1:06:50
SPEAKER_00: He he thrives in an environment where he can get out of the pocket and make and create plays with his feet.
1:06:56
SPEAKER_00: And we are seeing that that is a hundred percent not true.
1:06:59
SPEAKER_00: We we are throwing the ball vertically more than we have in past seasons, and Devin Dampier is excelling as well.
1:07:05
SPEAKER_00: So I think he continues to show how um dynamic of a player he really is with his with his arm and his legs.
1:07:12
SPEAKER_00: And I I just I don't believe that there's that many quarterbacks in all of college football that are that much better than Devin Dampier at this point.
1:07:20
SPEAKER_00: I think he is a top 10 quarterback in college football right now.
1:07:24
SPEAKER_00: And and I'm not saying it'll it'll finish that way, right?
1:07:26
SPEAKER_00: But I think right now with the production he's had, and that this offense has scored 30 points in what eight straight games or something like that.
1:07:34
SPEAKER_00: So this team just continues to roll, they just continue to get where they need to be, and and Devin Dampeer is the catalyst that makes this offense go.
1:07:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I'll I'll get the full list up here QB, power rankings.
1:07:47
SPEAKER_00: Um for and maybe once you name them off, I'll be like, okay, yeah, maybe all those guys were better than he is.
1:07:53
SPEAKER_00: Because there is a lot of good guys in college football.
1:07:55
SPEAKER_00: I mean, no doubt about it.
1:07:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I'll I'll get it, I'll get it pulled up here, and then we can kind of see there uh what the total is.
1:08:02
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, number one's probably um Mensaw from Miami, because he's been number one in the power rankings for a couple weeks.
1:08:07
SPEAKER_00: He had like 24 straight completions in one game.
1:08:12
SPEAKER_02: It's the NFL.
1:08:13
SPEAKER_02: I don't know why it says P4 and it says NFL quarterbacks, but that's okay.
1:08:17
SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, so I mean I think you're yeah, he you're right, he is uh in.
1:08:24
SPEAKER_00: I would say second might be football.
1:08:28
SPEAKER_00: Oh no, I was gonna say probably Dante Moore from Oregon, but he is currently hurt.
1:08:33
SPEAKER_00: I don't think Dylan Royal has played enough that they can really put him in there.
1:08:37
SPEAKER_00: I mean, if and if you're gonna put him in the Powell ranking is current starter, he's not gonna be that high because he's only played like half of one game.
1:08:44
SPEAKER_00: Um but Dante Moore from Oregon is probably right up there if he's in there.
1:08:48
SPEAKER_02: Um here we go.
1:08:52
SPEAKER_02: This was according to this one is okay, so you got uh Darion Maes uh Mensah.
1:09:00
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
1:09:00
SPEAKER_00: You got Trinidad Trinidad Chamblist is one of the best quarterbacks in college football, absolutely.
1:09:05
SPEAKER_02: And then you got uh Camaro Taylor of Mississippi State.
1:09:10
SPEAKER_00: Uh I Camario.
1:09:12
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:09:12
SPEAKER_00: I think there's less resume for him to say that um on a Mississippi State team that is playing really well this year.
1:09:19
SPEAKER_00: Um, but you know, has had a pretty easy non-conference game.
1:09:22
SPEAKER_00: They did just win their first conference game.
1:09:24
SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'll take that.
1:09:25
SPEAKER_00: CJ Carr, Notre Dame.
1:09:27
SPEAKER_00: I don't think CJ Carr is a great quarterback.
1:09:30
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna pass on that.
1:09:31
SPEAKER_02: I saw what you did there.
1:09:32
SPEAKER_02: Uh you got also got Keelan Russell from Alabama, number five.
1:09:36
SPEAKER_00: Alabama's rolling.
1:09:36
SPEAKER_00: I'll take that.
1:09:37
SPEAKER_02: Um, and then uh this one's got Drew uh Messmaker at number six.
1:09:44
SPEAKER_02: So wait, scroll down.
1:09:46
SPEAKER_00: Does it have Devin Damp here at nine?
1:09:49
SPEAKER_02: No.
1:09:49
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:09:50
SPEAKER_00: And then I read one of these where he was nine.
1:09:53
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, that's I think that's pretty fair.
1:09:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you got Gunnar Stockton from Georgia at seven.
1:09:58
SPEAKER_00: Georgia's a great football team, and you gotta be a great quarterback to play for Georgia.
1:10:01
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, Julian Sayan and Ohio State.
1:10:03
SPEAKER_02: Ohio State.
1:10:04
SPEAKER_02: Then you got Josh Hoover from Indiana.
1:10:06
SPEAKER_00: I do not think Josh Hoover is better than Devin Dampier.
1:10:09
SPEAKER_02: I didn't think so.
1:10:10
SPEAKER_02: I thought you were gonna have a problem with that one.
1:10:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Devin Josh Hoover is not better than Devin Dampier.
1:10:14
SPEAKER_02: And then you got Jaden um Mayava Mayava from USC.
1:10:18
SPEAKER_00: Mayava from USC, and then you got 11 Archie Manning.
1:10:22
SPEAKER_00: Arch Manning is a Devin Dampier?
1:10:24
SPEAKER_02: Archie Manning, yeah.
1:10:25
SPEAKER_00: I I want you guys to tune into this.
1:10:27
SPEAKER_00: Jump in the comments.
1:10:27
SPEAKER_00: Tell me your thoughts on Arch Manning.
1:10:29
SPEAKER_00: If you've watched any Texas football this year, is he a good quarterback?
1:10:33
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
1:10:33
SPEAKER_00: Is he playing for Texas number one Texas in the country because his last name is Manning?
1:10:37
SPEAKER_00: The answer is also yes.
1:10:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so the previous one was the ESPN rankings.
1:10:40
SPEAKER_02: I'm looking at a CBS sports one because ESPN's rankings do that dumb thing where you try to pull up an article, it automatically shifts it into your app and then it times out.
1:10:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's so fun.
1:10:48
SPEAKER_02: I really hate that ESPN does that.
1:10:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:10:49
SPEAKER_02: Um, do better ESPN.
1:10:51
SPEAKER_02: But this one, they got Bear Buckmeyer at 12 and Devin Dampier at 13.
1:10:54
SPEAKER_00: And I I am curious to see.
1:10:58
SPEAKER_00: I think I think Bear Bachmeyer is a good quarterback.
1:11:02
SPEAKER_00: I don't think he is as dynamic as a quarterback as Devin Dampier is.
1:11:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I would have to agree with you there.
1:11:07
SPEAKER_02: And it has no nothing, and I'm not nearly as much as a uh, you know, a Utah homer as I am.
1:11:13
SPEAKER_02: I would say I am I am a Utah homer, AJ.
1:11:15
SPEAKER_02: I just don't think they're gonna win the I just don't think they're gonna win the national championship like you do.
1:11:20
SPEAKER_02: So like it's every year we're gonna be national champs, buddy.
1:11:23
SPEAKER_02: Every year you're national champs.
1:11:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I I call us to go undefeated 12-0 every year, so it's fine.
1:11:28
SPEAKER_02: So anyway, that that's uh that's the studies there.
1:11:30
SPEAKER_02: I just thought that would be interesting.
1:11:31
SPEAKER_02: I thought you find that kind of uh interesting there.
1:11:33
SPEAKER_02: Very interesting.
1:11:34
SPEAKER_02: Uh there's a you know, a few things there.
1:11:36
SPEAKER_02: I really love that the fact that Bear Buckmeyer is uh number 15, and then we have uh two teams that are very, very uh much in the hunt for the conference championship uh being ranked ahead of them.
1:11:47
SPEAKER_02: Um which, you know, I don't know if I'm like I said, I'm not as agreeable with you on that one.
1:11:53
SPEAKER_02: I mean not agreeable.
1:11:55
SPEAKER_02: Tone tone it down, Darren.
1:11:57
SPEAKER_00: You don't gotta get mad.
1:11:59
SPEAKER_02: Little say here, just gonna punch a microphone.
1:12:01
SPEAKER_02: Um, anyway, by the way, if you like this microphone, I'll affiliate link in the description.
1:12:06
SPEAKER_02: Um, so yeah, I don't know, man.
1:12:08
SPEAKER_02: I think it's kind of interesting there.
1:12:09
SPEAKER_02: I uh you know, Utah's got their bye week, so we'll we'll be reviewing their next week, uh their game after the bye week next week.
1:12:15
SPEAKER_02: So be sure to tune into that.
1:12:16
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
1:12:17
SPEAKER_02: Uh we want to just talk another subject there with Wei Sean uh during the bye week.
1:12:21
SPEAKER_02: Uh BYU has an interesting component coming in.
1:12:23
SPEAKER_02: It's uh it's gonna be, I believe it's uh uh TCU is who they're playing this week.
1:12:28
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:12:28
SPEAKER_02: Uh correct me if I'm wrong on that one.
1:12:30
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, mechanically.
1:12:32
SPEAKER_00: I believe it is TCU, and then the following week they play Notre Dame.
1:12:34
SPEAKER_02: Yes, I believe that's how it's gonna break down.
1:12:36
SPEAKER_02: So again, both uh I think mainly that BYU, the Notre Dame game is gonna be a huge game to decide a lot for this conference, so we'll see what happens there.
1:12:44
SPEAKER_02: Um, so yeah, uh good luck for the boys down south there for uh you know getting a good win against TCU.
1:12:51
SPEAKER_02: Because again, we want BYU to come in against Utah with at least only one loss if they if they lose to Notre Dame, and we want Utah to be undefeated because we want that game to basically kind of decide the conference.
1:13:01
SPEAKER_02: That's kind of like what we're shooting for.
1:13:02
SPEAKER_00: You know what's crazy is I was listening to the Joel Klatt show, and I really like Joel Clatt, probably mostly because he's a big fan of Utah football.
1:13:09
SPEAKER_00: Um but uh he was actually predicting BYU to beat Notre Dame.
1:13:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't, I'm not I'm seeing a lot of folks that are kind of leaning that way.
1:13:17
SPEAKER_02: A lot of the national media is kind of leaning that way.
1:13:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I uh you know and it's probably because CJ Carr's not as good of a quarterback as they think he is.
1:13:25
SPEAKER_00: But I mean used to there.
1:13:26
SPEAKER_00: What do we think?
1:13:27
SPEAKER_02: That's a callback.
1:13:27
SPEAKER_02: That's a very, very nice job.
1:13:29
SPEAKER_02: We'll have to end on that note right there for sure.
1:13:31
SPEAKER_02: Let's hit a few of these comments here.
1:13:32
SPEAKER_02: We got a comment there for Karen for Darren Scalley hasn't uh unleashed uh the litany of of trick plays that they can use uh with Damp, Flicklin, Parker Rose.
1:13:41
SPEAKER_02: Uh, don't be surprised if they uh if there's an all-in-game Statue of Liberty or a marriage proposal this year.
1:13:49
SPEAKER_02: Jeez.
1:13:51
SPEAKER_00: Love it.
1:13:52
SPEAKER_02: That's a great comment, man.
1:13:53
SPEAKER_02: Comment to the show.
1:13:54
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
1:13:55
SPEAKER_02: Uh nice to see that the bear down south of Devon in the QB rankings.
1:14:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:14:00
SPEAKER_02: Just again, great plan words there from Pacific North Wesley for sure.
1:14:04
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1:14:05
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1:14:07
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1:14:12
SPEAKER_02: We usually talk Utah football around 9-ish, because that's usually how long it takes for us to get through.
1:14:17
SPEAKER_00: Just depends on how long Utah Jazz goes.
1:14:18
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
1:14:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we got this nice little routine, guys.
1:14:20
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1:14:24
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1:14:28
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1:14:30
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1:14:33
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely go uts.
1:14:34
SPEAKER_02: All right, let's go ahead and pivot on over and talk some baseball.
1:14:36
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1:14:45
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1:14:59
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1:15:00
SPEAKER_02: Let's go ahead and talk a little bit about Major League Baseball, man.
1:15:02
SPEAKER_02: Let's get into it.
1:15:03
SPEAKER_02: We've got a few subjects we want to hit here.
1:15:06
SPEAKER_02: Um the best comment of the day so far.
1:15:11
SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's okay to skip baseball today.
1:15:13
SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, Greg.
1:15:14
SPEAKER_02: Uh, yeah, we'll we'll talk a little bit about uh about that, but we won't spend too much time for it.
1:15:18
SPEAKER_00: The good news is we're not talking about that directly.
1:15:20
SPEAKER_02: Not indirectly.
1:15:21
SPEAKER_02: Today we're not talking about that because again, we wanted to see how much of the wild card series were wrapped up uh by now, but again, so much of it didn't, so we don't want to necessarily put out a video and then have it be.
1:15:31
SPEAKER_00: I don't even like how I don't like that we had to say that at this point.
1:15:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:15:35
SPEAKER_02: Okay, you know what I mean?
1:15:36
SPEAKER_02: I very true.
1:15:37
SPEAKER_02: Let's let's stay out of the American, let's stay out of the National League for right now.
1:15:40
SPEAKER_02: Let's go in the American League.
1:15:41
SPEAKER_00: Let's do that.
1:15:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let's talk the American League.
1:15:43
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
1:15:44
SPEAKER_00: That's that's a great idea, Darren.
1:15:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because the American League, they had some great teams this year.
1:15:48
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
1:15:48
SPEAKER_00: And like when we're talking good teams, we're talking mostly the Rays, who finished with 98 wins.
1:15:52
SPEAKER_00: 98 wins is a good season.
1:15:54
SPEAKER_02: It's a great season.
1:15:55
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the Yankees right behind them.
1:15:56
SPEAKER_00: They they they led they led the AL East with 93 wins.
1:15:59
SPEAKER_00: Um, and both those teams that they played good baseball most of the year.
1:16:03
SPEAKER_00: Um, the AL Central had a couple of good teams.
1:16:05
SPEAKER_00: They were, you know, right in the mix with the Guardians and the White Sox.
1:16:08
SPEAKER_00: Uh they finished with 85 wins, 84 wins, respectively.
1:16:11
SPEAKER_00: Not not great seasons, but they weren't bad seasons.
1:16:13
SPEAKER_00: No.
1:16:14
SPEAKER_00: Um but the AL West, my friend, this is where I got a problem.
1:16:18
SPEAKER_00: Because I think people forgot how bad the AL West was, and specifically the Houston Astros, who the Houston Trash Dros, very good, who won the AL West with an 81 and 81 record right out 500, and then moved on to get swept by the Chicago White Sox in two games in Houston.
1:16:40
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:16:40
SPEAKER_00: So tell me, Darren, what are your thoughts on the Trash Tros and getting home field in the wild card round?
1:16:46
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so AJ, the the Houston Trash Tross made history.
1:16:49
SPEAKER_02: Okay, AJ, they made history, they became the first major league baseball team to make it to a postseason without a winning record.
1:16:57
SPEAKER_02: First team in Major League Baseball history to do that.
1:16:59
SPEAKER_02: And all the major league baseball OGs out there, now how hard it used to be to make the postseason in baseball.
1:17:05
SPEAKER_02: This makes you guys sick to your stomach, you guys and gals out there.
1:17:09
SPEAKER_02: This just shouldn't happen.
1:17:10
SPEAKER_02: Not only that, AJ, but they got to host a playoff series in the postseason against a team that had more wins.
1:17:18
SPEAKER_02: And the part that really gets me, AJ, is they actually did the locker room postseason champagne celebration on the last day of the season when they clinched the division.
1:17:28
SPEAKER_02: Think about that, AJ.
1:17:29
SPEAKER_02: You did not have a winning season, and yet you're still partying like you're breaking a, you know, that you like you haven't, yeah.
1:17:38
SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's just absolutely that drives me nuts.
1:17:40
SPEAKER_02: Only the trash shows, man.
1:17:41
SPEAKER_02: I swear.
1:17:42
SPEAKER_02: You know, when the Dodgers clinched their playoff spot, AJ, you know what they did?
1:17:45
SPEAKER_02: A champagne toast in the locker room.
1:17:47
SPEAKER_02: They had the champagne, everybody pulled in a flute, quick toast, you know.
1:17:50
SPEAKER_02: Congratulations, guys.
1:17:52
SPEAKER_02: Sip.
1:17:52
SPEAKER_02: Everybody put it down, went back to work.
1:17:54
SPEAKER_02: That's what happened with the Dodgers.
1:17:56
SPEAKER_02: And then, but the Houston Astros are out there acting like they're breaking a 20-year drought.
1:18:01
SPEAKER_02: It is just embarrassing.
1:18:03
SPEAKER_02: You know, you've heard that saying before, AJ.
1:18:05
SPEAKER_02: Act like you've been there before, right?
1:18:06
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
1:18:07
SPEAKER_00: I think I've actually said that quite a few times on this show.
1:18:09
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:18:10
SPEAKER_02: Well, the thing about that is is they have been there.
1:18:12
SPEAKER_02: They've been there for nine straight years.
1:18:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:18:14
SPEAKER_02: So act like you've been there before, guys.
1:18:17
SPEAKER_00: Like, seriously, only the Trastros.
1:18:19
SPEAKER_00: Act like act like that was the expectation to start the season.
1:18:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:18:23
SPEAKER_00: Not like it was a happy result because you made it there.
1:18:26
SPEAKER_02: You made it there.
1:18:27
SPEAKER_02: You end up not having a losing season.
1:18:29
SPEAKER_02: That's what you're popping the champagne for.
1:18:31
SPEAKER_02: You didn't have a losing season.
1:18:33
SPEAKER_02: Like that's it's to me, it's embarrassing uh for the team.
1:18:36
SPEAKER_02: It's embarrassing for Major League Baseball that they let this happen.
1:18:39
SPEAKER_02: And I'll tell you one thing, the fans know how embarrassing it was because did you hear what the fans did?
1:18:44
SPEAKER_02: I did not.
1:18:44
SPEAKER_02: So the fans booed the Astros, sorry, the Trasdros in game one when the when the White Sox scored on a wild pitch.
1:18:53
SPEAKER_02: The fans booed them in a playoff game, their home fans.
1:18:58
SPEAKER_02: The players went into the post-game interviews calling the team, calling the fans spoiled, right?
1:19:03
SPEAKER_02: And making comments saying that they were uh angered that this team was so was booing them in their home fans.
1:19:10
SPEAKER_02: It's like, we need your support, we need the cheers, we need you guys to help push this up.
1:19:13
SPEAKER_02: Uh well, maybe if you gave the team something to cheer about, maybe they wouldn't be booing you on the field.
1:19:19
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, at least, you know, we can say that because at least the Trash Trails fans had the, you know, didn't lose the plot here, Ray J.
1:19:28
SPEAKER_02: And you know, they got swept by a team, AJ, that has had three years in a row now of losing a hundred plus games.
1:19:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:19:35
SPEAKER_02: They just got swept.
1:19:36
SPEAKER_00: That was a team that just swept well, and also, we talked about this before the show.
1:19:40
SPEAKER_00: Is two games really a sweep?
1:19:42
SPEAKER_02: No, but in this context, we want to use it.
1:19:44
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:19:45
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:19:46
SPEAKER_00: Because it really drives the net.
1:19:47
SPEAKER_00: Drives it home.
1:19:48
SPEAKER_00: Drives it home to the trash dros.
1:19:50
SPEAKER_02: Yes, absolutely.
1:19:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:19:51
SPEAKER_00: We'll take okay, we'll use it here.
1:19:52
SPEAKER_00: We'll use it here, one exception.
1:19:55
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely swept by the White Sox.
1:19:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:19:57
SPEAKER_02: Outside of this context, not really.
1:20:00
SPEAKER_02: A wild card series, you don't really get swept when there's only two wins.
1:20:02
SPEAKER_02: What's our rule?
1:20:03
SPEAKER_02: Three wins.
1:20:03
SPEAKER_00: Three wins is a sweep.
1:20:05
SPEAKER_02: Major League DNA.
1:20:06
SPEAKER_00: You can't have a sweep unless you leave us a comment, let us know your thoughts on the two-game sweep.
1:20:10
SPEAKER_00: We're still iffy on it.
1:20:11
SPEAKER_02: But in this can in this scenario, swept by the White Sox.
1:20:15
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
1:20:16
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
1:20:17
SPEAKER_02: And the worst part is, AJ, is that this is not exactly a bad team, the Houston Trash Tros.
1:20:22
SPEAKER_02: They are they have who's going to be the AL MVP on their team.
1:20:27
SPEAKER_02: Right.
1:20:27
SPEAKER_02: In Jordal and Alvarez.
1:20:29
SPEAKER_02: So again, that's another thing.
1:20:31
SPEAKER_02: Should you qualify for the MVP if you are on a team that is so bad they didn't even have a winning record?
1:20:38
SPEAKER_02: Like, are you really that valuable?
1:20:40
SPEAKER_02: Like, you're the most valuable player on your team.
1:20:42
SPEAKER_00: You're the most valuable player on a really bad team.
1:20:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:20:46
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm pretty sure there's some other teams that had winning records that we could probably pick, but that also had players that probably contributed to a really good team.
1:20:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:20:54
SPEAKER_02: I guess in Major League Baseball, it is a team sport, it's not so much individual.
1:20:58
SPEAKER_02: You only have an at-bat, you know, once every three innings, you know.
1:21:02
SPEAKER_02: You can't always be the guy that can't give you the rock or give you the ball and have you run with it or have you, you know.
1:21:07
SPEAKER_02: So it's a different sport.
1:21:08
SPEAKER_02: It's really team.
1:21:09
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, man, for this one, I really think it's kind of insulting, man.
1:21:12
SPEAKER_02: MLB needs to make a change going forward on this one, AJ.
1:21:15
SPEAKER_02: Uh, if you are a div if you're in a division where you are so bad that not a single team wants to have a winning record, because that's what really what this is, AJ.
1:21:25
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
1:21:26
SPEAKER_02: No uh Houston Trash Rose were just giving it away.
1:21:29
SPEAKER_02: Nobody wanted this division.
1:21:31
SPEAKER_02: When you have a team, when you're playing in a division where you get to face the A's and the Angels 30 times and you still can't pull out a winning record, you're just as bad as they are.
1:21:42
SPEAKER_02: That is unbelievable.
1:21:44
SPEAKER_02: And this is with three teams, two teams in this division have won a World Series in the last four years.
1:21:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:21:50
SPEAKER_02: In the Houston Astros and the uh uh the Rangers, Rangers, thank you.
1:21:56
SPEAKER_00: Got you.
1:21:57
SPEAKER_02: Both of those.
1:21:58
SPEAKER_02: Did we see that?
1:21:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
1:21:59
SPEAKER_02: So good.
1:22:00
SPEAKER_02: Dude, nice job.
1:22:01
SPEAKER_02: You're coming so far, my friend.
1:22:02
SPEAKER_02: I'm so proud of you.
1:22:03
SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm talking about.
1:22:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, man, we can't let this happen again.
1:22:05
SPEAKER_02: And I have a solution, AJ.
1:22:06
SPEAKER_02: My solution to this one is if you don't have a winning record, but you won the division, congratulations.
1:22:12
SPEAKER_02: You still get the banner.
1:22:13
SPEAKER_02: Good job.
1:22:14
SPEAKER_02: You were the best team of a bunch of shit teams, right?
1:22:17
SPEAKER_02: Congratulations.
1:22:17
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
1:22:18
SPEAKER_02: But you don't get to go to the playoffs, you don't get to go to the postseason.
1:22:21
SPEAKER_02: What happens is they shift that to the next best AL team record-wise.
1:22:27
SPEAKER_02: They get to take your spot.
1:22:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:22:29
SPEAKER_02: What do you think?
1:22:30
SPEAKER_00: I think it's probably I don't think that a team in the same conference.
1:22:36
SPEAKER_00: Conference?
1:22:37
SPEAKER_02: Division.
1:22:38
SPEAKER_00: Division.
1:22:39
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how I messed that up.
1:22:41
SPEAKER_00: A team in the same division with a better record should not get to go to the playoffs.
1:22:45
SPEAKER_00: Because they play in a stronger division.
1:22:47
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so in that case, yeah, you're a conference.
1:22:50
SPEAKER_02: So I guess it's league in baseball, not America.
1:22:52
SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah.
1:22:52
SPEAKER_00: Sorry, that's the one I was looking for.
1:22:53
SPEAKER_02: Ferbich.
1:22:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:22:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:22:55
SPEAKER_02: We talk like five different sports on this show, so it's hard to keep everything straight.
1:22:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're really struggling.
1:22:59
SPEAKER_00: But but yeah, but that so to start to start again, a team in the same league should not miss the playoffs for a team that has a worse record in a bad division.
1:23:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:23:12
SPEAKER_02: Well, I think if you won your division, but like if for take the banner.
1:23:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I think if you if a team like in the AL East had five more wins than you did, sorry, in the AL East had, yeah, five more wins than you did.
1:23:23
SPEAKER_02: They shouldn't miss the playoffs.
1:23:24
SPEAKER_02: They should still miss the playoffs if your division had a if you had a winning record in your division.
1:23:29
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
1:23:30
SPEAKER_00: But if yeah, but if you don't have a winning record in your division, you should not make the playoffs over a team that has a winning record in a different division.
1:23:38
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
1:23:38
SPEAKER_02: I think baseball used to be tougher, man.
1:23:40
SPEAKER_02: This is not the NFL.
1:23:42
SPEAKER_00: A lot less team, those.
1:23:43
SPEAKER_00: Huh?
1:23:44
SPEAKER_00: Less teams used to go.
1:23:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:23:45
SPEAKER_00: Which also helped.
1:23:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:23:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:23:46
SPEAKER_02: It also made the game a little bit more funner.
1:23:48
SPEAKER_02: There's more teams that have a say in it.
1:23:49
SPEAKER_02: It's not like right around September 1st, the postseason is pretty much set.
1:23:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:23:54
SPEAKER_02: You know, so everybody has a bunch of garbage games and no one's watching baseball anymore.
1:23:57
SPEAKER_02: Uh, so that's definitely something that helps.
1:23:59
SPEAKER_02: But the problem is that now we become more like the NFL, where a bunch, you know, this happens in the NFL all the time, where a bunch of shit teams actually host postseason games.
1:24:08
SPEAKER_02: You know, that's not what baseball is.
1:24:09
SPEAKER_02: We don't celebrate mediocrity in our postseason.
1:24:12
SPEAKER_02: So this is something that needs to change.
1:24:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:24:14
SPEAKER_02: When we come out of this CBA, I expect a rule change on this one because this was just embarrassing for me, AJ.
1:24:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was really bad.
1:24:21
SPEAKER_00: Really bad, especially to you know, to watch baseball and to be as engaged as I was this year, to know that there's a team that's that bad in their division, and there's other teams in the AL that deserve that spot.
1:24:30
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, really upsetting, man.
1:24:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I guess yeah, couldn't agree with you more, man.
1:24:35
SPEAKER_02: It was just it was gross.
1:24:36
SPEAKER_02: Houston Trastros, your fans were right for booing you.
1:24:39
SPEAKER_02: You know, you should have done better.
1:24:41
SPEAKER_02: Your front office should have done better by you.
1:24:43
SPEAKER_02: That conference was there for the tanking, and you guys just didn't do anything to try and get better.
1:24:47
SPEAKER_02: So, you know, that's on you guys.
1:24:49
SPEAKER_00: So, so staying with the playoffs, there was something very interesting that I noticed um about these teams that had buys into their first round, at least a couple of them at least, right?
1:24:58
SPEAKER_02: Um Yeah, we yeah, we talked about this last week with uh not a buy week and not buying.
1:25:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:25:05
SPEAKER_00: Buy not yeah, buy a week, not buying.
1:25:07
SPEAKER_00: But uh the the Cleveland Guardians won their division and got a first round buy.
1:25:11
SPEAKER_00: The Cleveland Guardians had the lowest payroll in baseball per spot track.
1:25:15
SPEAKER_00: Um they only had 79.4 million in payroll this season.
1:25:21
SPEAKER_00: Got a buy in the first round.
1:25:22
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
1:25:23
SPEAKER_00: So um they'll be playing the White Sox, who have the fifth lowest payroll at 101.9 million.
1:25:30
SPEAKER_00: And then you go to the other team in the AL who got a first round buy.
1:25:32
SPEAKER_00: The Rays have the eighth lowest payroll in baseball at 100 100 point 107.6 million this season.
1:25:39
SPEAKER_00: So the players association keeps saying there's no need for a salary cap.
1:25:44
SPEAKER_00: And you know, we've had a couple different discussions about salary cap, you know, and and how does it help?
1:25:48
SPEAKER_00: And you know, should should there be a salary cap in baseball?
1:25:52
SPEAKER_00: Obviously, a Dodgers fan does not want a salary cap.
1:25:55
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
1:25:56
SPEAKER_00: Dodgers owners do.
1:25:57
SPEAKER_00: Dodgers owners do, I'm sure.
1:25:58
SPEAKER_00: But anyways, um but are these teams that that are that are pushing are pushing into a first-round buyer, are they kind of proving um are they kind of proving them right?
1:26:11
SPEAKER_00: Like by by the way the postseasons kind of keep playing out?
1:26:14
SPEAKER_02: So here's the thing I think you're spot on there, because I think what what we're realizing is we're we're Major League Baseball, the owners are using an argument that just isn't valid.
1:26:25
SPEAKER_02: They're saying the reason why they want a salary cap is for competitive balance, right?
1:26:28
SPEAKER_02: Every team has an equal shot, uh, you know, and then what's happening in the postseason is basically spinning in that and saying that's not why you guys really want a salary cap.
1:26:38
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
1:26:38
SPEAKER_02: You want a salary cap because these teams' valuations are exploding.
1:26:43
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
1:26:44
SPEAKER_02: And these players are getting$750 million contracts on 15-year deals.
1:26:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:26:50
SPEAKER_02: You know, and then you have some, you know, and so you're getting this situation where, and then, you know, you get you know, Soto's gonna be a great player for a long time, right?
1:26:58
SPEAKER_02: I don't necessarily think just because he's playing in the Queens, he's gonna be a bad player for the rest of his career.
1:27:03
SPEAKER_02: You know, he was a decent player this year, but some of these other big contracts are not paying out right now, you know.
1:27:09
SPEAKER_02: So it's just like Vladdy and uh the Blue Jays, they went from the World Series being literally an inch away from winning the World Series several times last year to being a last place team.
1:27:19
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:27:19
SPEAKER_02: Right after it, right?
1:27:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and and had a top 10 payroll in baseball.
1:27:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so it's just it really kind of speaks to that.
1:27:25
SPEAKER_02: This so the argument isn't necessarily that they want to control these out-of-control salaries, is basically what they're talking about.
1:27:31
SPEAKER_02: And the players are saying the salary cap's not gonna help because again, you just mentioned it, you just rattled off like what four out of the five how many plays teams are in the playoffs right now?
1:27:42
SPEAKER_02: You you know, four out of the five bottom tier uh of the of the salary teams, teams with their salary are in the playoffs.
1:27:51
SPEAKER_02: Like we have what two out of the top five, two out of the top eight, bottom eight, sorry, team payrolls, gotta buy.
1:27:57
SPEAKER_02: And then you have the guardians, and sorry, the white soft.
1:28:00
SPEAKER_02: That are you know playing in a world in a postseason game against a team that has a top 10 payroll and swept them out of there who barely won their division.
1:28:08
SPEAKER_02: There's examples of this all over the place.
1:28:10
SPEAKER_02: In baseball, it does help.
1:28:12
SPEAKER_02: If you are paying money, if you are in the top 10 in payroll, you have a pretty good shot of making the postseason.
1:28:20
SPEAKER_02: Right.
1:28:20
SPEAKER_02: We're not arguing that.
1:28:21
SPEAKER_02: We actually made that argument before is that if you're in the top 10 in payroll, you have a good shot in making the postseason.
1:28:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're just spending enough money.
1:28:28
SPEAKER_00: Like you have enough talent on the field that you should have a shot at making the postseason.
1:28:33
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
1:28:33
SPEAKER_02: And then everybody who is actively trying not to spend money is not likely going to win unless you actually are trying to win by just putting a quality product on the field.
1:28:44
SPEAKER_02: You don't need to spend money to make the postseason.
1:28:46
SPEAKER_02: You just have to be smart about the money you are spending.
1:28:48
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:28:49
SPEAKER_02: So a salary cap doesn't go either way to help this.
1:28:51
SPEAKER_02: And I think you're spot on there.
1:28:53
SPEAKER_02: I think that what the postseason is doing now is showing that a salary cap is not the solution for competitive balance.
1:29:01
SPEAKER_02: The solution would honestly be a salary floor.
1:29:05
SPEAKER_02: But the real solution is get all these non-baseball fans, uh, non-baseball owners that are not baseball fans out of the league.
1:29:13
SPEAKER_02: This is not your piggy bank.
1:29:15
SPEAKER_02: You can't sit in here and collect your collective bargaining check, your hundred million dollars that you get just by fielding a team every year, and just, you know, count your dollars by putting out a minimum product out on the field, just enough not to get fined, and then just print money.
1:29:30
SPEAKER_02: Baseball teams are not that.
1:29:32
SPEAKER_02: Sports was never supposed to be a moneymaker.
1:29:34
SPEAKER_02: A team was never supposed to be a money.
1:29:35
SPEAKER_02: It was a vanity project for your portfolio.
1:29:38
SPEAKER_02: You were showing, hey, I got so rich, I bought a baseball team, or I bought a football team, or I bought a they were never supposed to be the cash cows that they've become.
1:29:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:29:46
SPEAKER_00: And the sport that's getting and that's purely based on on valuation of all these teams, and then you're able to loan money against them and yeah, expand your profiles even further and go into real estate.
1:29:56
SPEAKER_00: And and now you've got you know, people that were you know, probably billionaires becoming even bigger billionaires in all of these scenarios where and it's all based on sports valuation, and these teams um just I mean, straight value double and tripling, you know, in in 10 years.
1:30:13
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, wow, I I now have a you know, a team that I bought.
1:30:18
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Ryan Smith, for instance, even you know, with the jazz, 1.65 billion is what he bought them for, they're worth six billion now.
1:30:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, in like what five years?
1:30:26
SPEAKER_00: Five years.
1:30:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's absolutely insane.
1:30:27
SPEAKER_02: In major league baseball, we're seeing teams training.
1:30:30
SPEAKER_02: The Rays, who are always in the bottom of the payroll, I think they end up selling for like four or five billion dollars.
1:30:36
SPEAKER_02: Crazy.
1:30:36
SPEAKER_02: You know, it's just these teams, these valuations keep going up, and you're like you're the point.
1:30:41
SPEAKER_02: It allows them to leverage things and and you know, they get to write it off as a depreciating asset.
1:30:45
SPEAKER_02: Do you know that?
1:30:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it absolutely blows my mind that they can do that.
1:30:49
SPEAKER_02: Because when you buy a building, that building depreciates.
1:30:51
SPEAKER_02: When you buy a factory, those machines, everything depreciates.
1:30:54
SPEAKER_02: You know what doesn't depreciate?
1:30:56
SPEAKER_02: A major league baseball team.
1:30:57
SPEAKER_00: Ever.
1:30:58
unknown: Ever.
1:30:59
SPEAKER_02: Especially when the town owns the stadium.
1:31:01
SPEAKER_02: Like it's just because you want the public money.
1:31:03
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I think it's most egregious in major league baseball where you have these owners that are just sitting on their teams to make money and to print themselves an extra paycheck.
1:31:11
SPEAKER_02: And you know, they don't really care about baseball.
1:31:14
SPEAKER_02: I think in baseball it's the worst.
1:31:15
SPEAKER_02: So you really want to get rid of, you know, and keep the team competitive.
1:31:19
SPEAKER_02: Obviously, get rid of these owners that simply just don't want to field a good team.
1:31:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the only reason why the Dodgers have the roster they do is because their original teams didn't want to pay them.
1:31:29
SPEAKER_02: Like that's literally the only reason.
1:31:31
SPEAKER_02: So if we can get away from these cheap owners, we can get away from this.
1:31:34
SPEAKER_02: So we want to hear from you folks.
1:31:36
SPEAKER_02: Let us know where your thoughts are in the comments down below.
1:31:37
SPEAKER_02: We got a couple of comments here.
1:31:39
SPEAKER_02: We got Ricketts wants a salary cap because he's cheap and he thinks that wild card exit is good is a good season uh for a team like Chicago.
1:31:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, sorry, buddy.
1:31:50
SPEAKER_02: Keep cheating on the bottom of the keep cheaping out on the bottom of the barrel pitchers on free agent deals, free agency deals, an expiring contract, can't get talent.
1:32:00
SPEAKER_02: Big signing was Eduardo, Edward Cabrera.
1:32:05
SPEAKER_02: Give me a break.
1:32:06
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
1:32:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then we have uh what do you guys think about Ryan Smith throwing his hat into the ring?
1:32:11
SPEAKER_02: So we actually, I don't know if either one of us Thanks, Greg.
1:32:15
SPEAKER_02: Thanks, Craig, because we actually talked about this the other day.
1:32:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yesterday was it was about yesterday?
1:32:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
1:32:21
SPEAKER_02: So we're seeing the reports there of Ryan Smith throwing his hand in.
1:32:24
SPEAKER_02: He was on the some podcast where it's basically talking about the business of sports, where he said, um, not the exact quote, I don't have it here, but he said something of the fact of his group that is like our group is going to be aggressive.
1:32:37
SPEAKER_02: Uh, we're not gonna say why, we're not gonna do, but our group will be aggressive uh if the opportunity arises itself.
1:32:43
SPEAKER_02: And everybody's interpreting that that SEG is going to make a play into expansion team into Utah, and that's could not be further from the truth.
1:32:53
SPEAKER_02: One simple Google search proves this wrong, AJ.
1:32:56
SPEAKER_00: Yes, that is that is very correct because Ryan Smith and SEG Media is very much a part of Big League Utah, which is run by the Millers, absolutely, and the Millers are um the ones spearheading the project.
1:33:09
SPEAKER_00: Obviously, they own Real Salt Lake, they own the Bees.
1:33:11
SPEAKER_00: So Ryan Smith is a part of Big League Utah.
1:33:15
SPEAKER_00: So when he says our group, he is talking about big league Utah and being that entity that will make a push for a major league baseball team in Utah.
1:33:23
SPEAKER_00: So it's not SEG Media specifically, it is Big League Utah, which Ryan Smith is a part of.
1:33:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we uh saw some YouTubers that we actually use a lot for res research a lot when we reverse our research our topics getting this wrong.
1:33:37
SPEAKER_02: So we're like, well, hang on a second.
1:33:39
SPEAKER_02: Is Ryan Smith part of Big League Utah?
1:33:41
SPEAKER_02: And we're like, I don't know, we could find out.
1:33:42
SPEAKER_02: So we thought we were gonna have to hunt for it.
1:33:44
SPEAKER_00: See, and I actually knew he was part of Big League Utah.
1:33:46
SPEAKER_02: So you, yeah, he knew ahead of time, yeah.
1:33:47
SPEAKER_02: And I'm just like, I don't remember if he is or not.
1:33:49
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, so simple Google search.
1:33:52
SPEAKER_00: Ryan Smith is absolutely part of Big League Utah.
1:33:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so interesting.
1:33:56
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, but at the same time, um, that would have been cool if we had a bidding war for the team here.
1:34:02
SPEAKER_00: I I think that I don't know if that helps us or hurts us, though, right?
1:34:07
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I think it doesn't, yeah.
1:34:08
SPEAKER_00: I I don't I don't I don't necessarily know if it hurts us per se, but what I'm saying is what we don't want to do is um is muddy the waters at all, right?
1:34:18
SPEAKER_00: We we want to make sure that when MLB decides to expand, they see a clear-cut path to getting this deal done as quickly and painlessly as possible.
1:34:27
SPEAKER_00: That's the reason we got hockey so quickly, right?
1:34:29
SPEAKER_00: Is because it was pain-free, right?
1:34:31
SPEAKER_00: We got a place that can play right now, we've got a fan base that'll welcome them.
1:34:35
SPEAKER_00: And and MLB, that's our biggest advantage to others' places as we have a shovel ready site.
1:34:41
SPEAKER_00: We've got all the funding, we've got billionaire owners, multiple billionaire owners that can fund this team.
1:34:47
SPEAKER_00: If there's any hiccups, get baseball to Utah.
1:34:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there are some conspiracies out there saying the reason why SCG was actually looking at uh that land down south of the South Point was not to move the jazz down there, but was for their competitive bid for baseball.
1:35:02
SPEAKER_02: They were putting together a site, you know, saying that it doesn't matter the state money goes to the state, doesn't matter if it's the big league Utah or SCG, the money for the state that they're gonna donate is gonna be there.
1:35:12
SPEAKER_02: So that doesn't matter who gets it as long as one of them gets it.
1:35:15
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, if you spend a little bit of time, you'll see that uh Ryan Smith is actually part of Big League Utah, not necessarily competing against it.
1:35:23
SPEAKER_02: So um yeah.
1:35:25
SPEAKER_02: Anyways, great question.
1:35:27
SPEAKER_00: Great, great, love it.
1:35:28
SPEAKER_00: Um the next thing we kind of want to talk about is MLB attendance, right?
1:35:33
SPEAKER_00: And it's kind of been crazy because it's it's kind of officially trending in the right direction.
1:35:38
SPEAKER_00: Um, and and baseball just reached a milestone that we haven't seen in like a decade.
1:35:42
SPEAKER_00: So Major League Baseball drew 71.75 million fans in 2026, um, marking the fourth straight year of attendance growth and its highest total since 2017.
1:35:53
SPEAKER_00: So the Dodgers once again led baseball.
1:35:55
SPEAKER_00: Um they had more than four million fans.
1:35:57
SPEAKER_00: Tampa Bay saw a massive jump um, you know, after they got back into Tropicana Field.
1:36:02
SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, teams like the White Sox, Blue Jays, Mariners, they all saw significant increases this season.
1:36:07
SPEAKER_00: So um not every every market had a big gate, big gear at the gate.
1:36:11
SPEAKER_00: You know, the the Mets really struggled.
1:36:13
SPEAKER_00: Um they expended, they they experienced their largest attendance decline in baseball.
1:36:17
SPEAKER_00: Um, there's the athletics who obviously are struggling, they're kind of waiting for their transition to Las Vegas.
1:36:23
SPEAKER_00: So what do you think this attendance growth actually tells us about the current state of Major League Baseball?
1:36:30
SPEAKER_00: And like what are your thoughts on it?
1:36:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, shout out Cam Newton, by the way.
1:36:33
SPEAKER_00: You know, yeah.
1:36:35
SPEAKER_00: If you know you know just blows my absolute mind, dude.
1:36:38
SPEAKER_00: I I just I can't believe that dude is so ignorant with some of the things that comes out of his mouth.
1:36:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, oh my gosh.
1:36:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, in case you didn't know, he's the guy who came out with on record uh it's saying that uh the WNBA is going to uh surpass baseball uh within the next like 10 years, which you know, no shot, no, no shade towards the WMBA.
1:36:56
SPEAKER_02: I actually think there's a lot of entertaining uh basketball to watch there.
1:37:00
SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, so it my thoughts on this one, man.
1:37:02
SPEAKER_02: It's just pretty clear, man.
1:37:03
SPEAKER_02: Baseball is on the up and up.
1:37:05
SPEAKER_02: All the changes and stuff they're making to the rules, the pitch clock, the shortening of the games, expanding the playoffs like we were talking about earlier, all make which makes your team have a uh potential to be in the game longer, makes these stadium seats fill out a little bit longer, right?
1:37:20
SPEAKER_02: You know, we had like what uh 18 teams hunting for 16 positions, yeah.
1:37:26
SPEAKER_02: Um, so which is always great.
1:37:27
SPEAKER_02: It's better than having eight, like nine teams hunting for eight spots.
1:37:31
SPEAKER_02: So I think expanding the playoffs was huge for major league baseball, which helped keep it kept player uh fans coming to the games.
1:37:37
SPEAKER_02: You saw um these um rule changes like the pitch clock and everything, making these four-hour games shrink down to two hours and 45-minute games, much more to the point where I well, last time I went to a professional baseball game, a major league baseball game, I like went to go get uh a drink and I missed two innings, like because of how fast the game is now.
1:37:59
SPEAKER_02: So, you know, I mean, which probably hurts some of the vendor revenue they're getting, right?
1:38:03
SPEAKER_02: But um, yeah, I think just it just points to the fact that all the rule changes that Major League Baseball is doing to uh you know modernize the game and keep fans interests working.
1:38:12
SPEAKER_02: I think that's exactly what's happening here.
1:38:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I think I think all these things that they're doing, you know, have done and have changed these little things, like ABS is one that I think has made the game a lot more interesting from a fan perspective because it it kind of adds one more little wrinkle.
1:38:27
SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's the the game within the game, you know, should I challenge it in the first inning?
1:38:32
SPEAKER_00: I'm not 100% sure.
1:38:33
SPEAKER_00: Like, I I just love this little stuff that they've added.
1:38:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I definitely think you're right on that.
1:38:37
SPEAKER_02: Some people argue that they don't like the ABS challenge system because it's gamifying it.
1:38:42
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I love it, dude.
1:38:44
SPEAKER_02: So I know I love it because it does, it does kind of create that, but gamifying the league, like what if you have the ability to get the call right, why aren't you just telling the umpire what the call is supposed to be?
1:38:52
SPEAKER_00: Um I I think that you have to rely on an umpire because there's so many calls that can't be made on the field.
1:39:00
SPEAKER_02: Well, like balls and strikes.
1:39:01
SPEAKER_02: Why don't you just tell the umpire in an earpiece what the call was?
1:39:05
SPEAKER_00: Uh because I don't I don't think that uh you're you're taking away the game of baseball.
1:39:10
SPEAKER_02: I I would agree, I would agree that at least at some point you would probably think that, but after a while you'd realize it's just the same guy.
1:39:16
SPEAKER_02: There's just a guy behind the plate calling balls and strikes.
1:39:19
SPEAKER_00: And I get that.
1:39:20
SPEAKER_02: The only time I think that he would have to override it is having a person there is to override it when it's obviously off calibration, where a strike is obviously not a strike and a ball is obviously not a ball, then he would challenge it and be able to say, Hey, we need to take a closer look at that when that one's not right, and then he'd be able to do something with that.
1:39:34
SPEAKER_02: But there I think there is some point to it that, like, okay, doing the challenge system and everything is just kind of somewhat as first of all, it's making it take a little longer.
1:39:44
SPEAKER_02: We're losing some of the stuff that we added with the pitch clock, and it's also kind of, you know, if you had the chance to get the right call right the first time, why not do it?
1:39:51
SPEAKER_02: And I totally understand that.
1:39:53
SPEAKER_02: I kind of like I said, I like what you're saying there.
1:39:55
SPEAKER_02: There adds a little bit more strategy to the game this way, and I really love that part.
1:39:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but there is a part of the fan base there that's thinking like this is unnecessary, this is kind of like making it more like inefficient.
1:40:09
SPEAKER_00: Kind of drawn out after you tried to reduce the time.
1:40:12
SPEAKER_00: Now you're drawing the time back out because you've got to spend an extra 35 seconds in the game to do a couple ABS challenges.
1:40:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and you gotta and the challenge and whether or not you should do it and how they're doing it, it's creating a whole bunch of loopholes and making people just like what's his name?
1:40:26
SPEAKER_02: Like Cabernero, we did a video on him where he's like doing a pitch clock thing, yeah, you know, waiting to make eye contact, getting the guy to balk, yeah.
1:40:33
SPEAKER_02: So it's like there's some of that stuff that just isn't ball, it's kind of bush-like, so I can see that.
1:40:37
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, man, I think this every ABS is huge.
1:40:40
SPEAKER_02: I think it's been huge for this year, helped drive pushing attendance up again.
1:40:43
SPEAKER_02: I think another half a percent, which when you were talking millions of people coming to the ball games, that's huge, right?
1:40:49
SPEAKER_02: So um, yeah, I'm glad you brought this up because this was actually a future subject.
1:40:54
SPEAKER_02: Um as you can see on our notes there, not to be talked about this week, but that's okay.
1:41:00
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
1:41:01
SPEAKER_00: Didn't I didn't see that that was a future subject.
1:41:05
SPEAKER_00: We just went into it.
1:41:06
SPEAKER_00: We just went right into it, guys.
1:41:07
SPEAKER_00: We want to hear from you folks.
1:41:09
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let's know what your thoughts are as far as uh attendance being up again for the fourth year or up.
1:41:12
SPEAKER_02: You know, is Cam Newton right or is baseball doomed?
1:41:15
SPEAKER_02: Um, or is baseball everything going right?
1:41:17
SPEAKER_02: And then Greg Hawkins nailed it with this one here.
1:41:19
SPEAKER_02: Baseball is on the up and up until a lockout next year.
1:41:22
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, that's probably what's gonna happen.
1:41:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, lockout comes and we automatically go right back.
1:41:27
SPEAKER_02: We're either gonna have another steroid era and a whole bunch of other changes uh to the sport to make it come back again to what it is today.
1:41:34
SPEAKER_02: Hopefully, we don't miss too many games.
1:41:36
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, there's a 60 rule uh that uh a lot of folks are aware of.
1:41:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:41:40
SPEAKER_02: So basically the TV rights, have you heard this one?
1:41:43
SPEAKER_00: No.
1:41:43
SPEAKER_02: So the TV rights when it comes to a lockout is that if there's a lockout, all the TV rights will pay for the year, pay for the year, right?
1:41:53
SPEAKER_02: But the following year gets added, another year gets added to the contracts where they don't get paid, they don't have to pay out anything.
1:42:00
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
1:42:01
SPEAKER_02: So the owners get paid their TV money for next year, even though they kind of get it up front.
1:42:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so that tells you where the owners are coming from.
1:42:08
SPEAKER_02: They're gonna get their TV money regardless of baseball getting paid or not next year.
1:42:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:42:13
SPEAKER_02: It's just whether or not they have to not get paid.
1:42:16
SPEAKER_02: And and the C BA expires at the end of this year.
1:42:18
SPEAKER_02: December 1st.
1:42:19
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:42:20
SPEAKER_02: So is when the CBA expires.
1:42:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:42:22
SPEAKER_02: So we'll see.
1:42:23
SPEAKER_02: I'm hoping there's not gonna be a lockout, guys.
1:42:25
SPEAKER_02: I doubt it, but um, you can always hope, right?
1:42:28
SPEAKER_00: So Christmas miracles do happen and we can But once the CBA is is finalized, that's when we have a potential to get a major league baseball expansion, right?
1:42:39
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
1:42:39
SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah, we need it.
1:42:40
SPEAKER_02: We that's when everybody talks expansion, that's what we need to have happen first.
1:42:43
SPEAKER_02: That's why I'm not even entertaining it.
1:42:45
SPEAKER_02: It's because we gotta make sure that we get if we miss games, that's gonna put a big hurt on whether or not expansion even happens.
1:42:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
1:42:53
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1:42:55
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1:42:56
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1:43:00
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1:43:07
SPEAKER_02: With all that said, my name is Darren.
1:43:08
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1:43:12
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