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Killers Amongst Us: Petite genius disappears before Sunday wedding. What happened to Annie Le? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, welcome back to Killers amongst Us,
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  Speaker 1: we get up and go to work, right, or you
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  Speaker 1: go to the grocery store, or you go to the mall,
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  Speaker 1: or you go for a jog or a walk. But
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  Speaker 1: let's just say you're at work. Can you're walking up
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  Speaker 1: and down the hallways, in and out of your office,
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  Speaker 1: to the break room, the bathroom, out to the parking lot.
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  Speaker 1: Who are you passing in the halls? Do you really
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  Speaker 1: know them? I mean, if you look at the stats,
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  Speaker 1: there is a huge percentage of violent parolees and people
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  Speaker 1: on probation walking around us in our universe, circling us
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  Speaker 1: every single day. We have no idea who they are,
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  Speaker 1: what they look like, what are their names? But they're
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  Speaker 1: there Killers amongst Us? I mean, I see Gray, Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for being with us. What an all star panel I
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  Speaker 1: have joining us today. First of all, renowned psychiatrists out
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  Speaker 1: of the Atlanta area, doctor Angela Arnold, who actually has
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  Speaker 1: a master's degree on top of an MD, what and
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  Speaker 1: sell a molecular biology? You know it never ends with
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  Speaker 1: this woman. You can find her at Angela Arnold, MD
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  Speaker 1: dot com veteran trial lawyer, former prosecutor of nothing but
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  Speaker 1: Felonies in intercity Atlanta, now defense attorney at Cohen Cooper
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  Speaker 1: E Stepan Allen. You can find him at CCEA Law
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  Speaker 1: dot com. Daryl Cohen has taken a break from his
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  Speaker 1: trial calendar to join us. Former police lieutenant with Nehaven
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  Speaker 1: Police Department, Senior lecturer, director of the Center for Advanced
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  Speaker 1: Policing at the University of Behavior University there the Forensic
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  Speaker 1: Science Department. Lisa daddy O also with me. Correct reporter
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  Speaker 1: from Newsday, Matthew Chase. But first, take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: our friends at crime online dot com. Annie Ley may
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  Speaker 1: be small in stature, but she is living large. Just
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  Speaker 1: four feet eleven inches halt Lay is voted most likely
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  Speaker 1: to be the next Einstein by her high school class mates.
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  Speaker 1: That's not surprising, considering Lay is valedictorian of her graduating
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  Speaker 1: class at Union Mine High School in El Dorado, California.
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  Speaker 1: With her eye on college, one hundred two scholarship applications
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  Speaker 1: are filled out with approximately one hundred sixty thousand dollars
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  Speaker 1: in scholarship money fueling her dreams. She attends and graduates
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  Speaker 1: from the University of Rochester in New York. Wow. They
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  Speaker 1: always say dynamite comes in small packages, but I guess
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  Speaker 1: Annie Lay is no exception. Just twenty four years old,
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  Speaker 1: voted most likely to be the next Einstein by her
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  Speaker 1: high school classmates. You know, Daryl Cohen, former prosecutor now
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  Speaker 1: defense attorney. They can say a lot about you and
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  Speaker 1: I back in high school, but the nixt Einstein is
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  Speaker 1: not one of the things they threw at us. I
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  Speaker 1: imagine Einstein was something I heard about and read about,
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  Speaker 1: but I couldn't have hair like his, so I never
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  Speaker 1: would have a brain like his. I mean already, I
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  Speaker 1: mean doctor Angie Arnold to be voted, not just it
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  Speaker 1: was bandied about to be voted most likely the next Einstein,
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  Speaker 1: even in high school. You know, did I ever tell
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  Speaker 1: you my sister was valedictorian in high school out graduated
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  Speaker 1: with a four point from college and ps. She worked
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  Speaker 1: her whole way through college, got a full on four
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  Speaker 1: year scholarship Charles C. Conway scholarship for college. She majored
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  Speaker 1: in accounting with minors in chemistry in German. Total brainiac
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  Speaker 1: and it's just tell you this part about her. She's
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  Speaker 1: also beautiful, long auburn hair, big eyes that I can
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  Speaker 1: only describe as auburn. They're not brown, They're not red.
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  Speaker 1: Their auburn eyes. Beautiful kind of a Natalie would look
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  Speaker 1: about her anyway. Listen to this in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: her valedictorian speech. You're gonna love this, Jackie. That was
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  Speaker 1: back when what do you say, where were the people
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  Speaker 1: that would run naked? Yeah, streakers all I can think
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  Speaker 1: of his flasher streaker, a streaker, a girl in her
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  Speaker 1: high school streaked across the stage in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: my beautiful sister's speech, and my sister, ever the cool cucumber,
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  Speaker 1: just looked, paused, and continued with her speech. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: when I think, the reason I'm telling you this, doctor, Angie,
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  Speaker 1: is because when I think of any lay so brilliant
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  Speaker 1: yet so beautiful and vibrant, I think of my sister.
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  Speaker 1: I can't help it. Yeah, And you know, Nancy, to
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  Speaker 1: be recognized at such an early age, to have stood
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  Speaker 1: out so much in high school. You know, once your
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  Speaker 1: kids get to high school, you see that, don't you.
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  Speaker 1: Certain kids just rise to the top and they are
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  Speaker 1: going to be the cream of the crop for the
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  Speaker 1: rest of their lives, you know. But it's amazing to me.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, let me ask you this. At to
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  Speaker 1: Matthew Chase reporting on news Day, I've said this a
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  Speaker 1: million times and I grappled with it when my fiancee
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  Speaker 1: was smarter. It always seems like the greatest people, know,
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  Speaker 1: the bright stars, sweet kind loving people, the ones that
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  Speaker 1: reach out to that homeless person to try to give
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  Speaker 1: them a hand and end up getting stabbed. What does
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  Speaker 1: it ever Occurdie when you're reporting? Why is it always
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  Speaker 1: great people that these hazards befall? You know, that's a
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  Speaker 1: that's a great question. But I think there's no doubt
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  Speaker 1: that you know, anyway, was someone who teachers and advisors
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  Speaker 1: and classmates recognize with special you know, her science teacher
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  Speaker 1: said that she was the best student that she ever had,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the kind of student you dream of. Her adviser,
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  Speaker 1: you know, would describers bubbly. You know, she wasn't your
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  Speaker 1: kind of stereotypical science student. She was into fashion. She
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  Speaker 1: was bubbly. She was not you know, nerdy. So um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, very very nice girl from all we've you know,
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  Speaker 1: all we learned, you know, to Lisa Daddy, a porn
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  Speaker 1: police lieutenant in Haven, what do we know about Annie
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  Speaker 1: l just twenty four years old? What kind of person
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  Speaker 1: is she? So? Annie was a personable, energetic, brilliant person.
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  Speaker 1: She loved fashion. She always wore a skirt or address
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  Speaker 1: and always wore high heels. Um working in a lab
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  Speaker 1: and standing over her research and standing at the bench
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  Speaker 1: wearing a lab coat, she always you know, fashion was
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  Speaker 1: a big thing to her. Um from everybody we interviewed,
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  Speaker 1: to speaking with her friends and family, to you know,
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  Speaker 1: learning about her through her high school and the University
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  Speaker 1: of Rochester and obviously Yale University, everybody said the same
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  Speaker 1: thing about her. Just personal, brilliant. University of Rochester said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, she was above where postgrads are and just
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  Speaker 1: her energy and her intelligence. So she definitely was going
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  Speaker 1: to be the next Einstein. I'm looking at Annie Lay
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  Speaker 1: right now and she's just, you know, everybody's dream that
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  Speaker 1: you want your daughter to grow up like card guys
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  Speaker 1: take a list in our friends at crime online dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Annie Lay's focus of study is cell developmental biology, with
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  Speaker 1: a minor in medical anthropology. After graduation, she has then
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  Speaker 1: accepted into a graduate program at Yale. This line of
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  Speaker 1: study would lead to a doctorate in pharmacology. Her research
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  Speaker 1: centers on the treatment of diabetes and certain forms of answer.
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  Speaker 1: Annie Lay's personal life is just as ambitious. She finds
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  Speaker 1: the love of her life in another serious minded academic,
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  Speaker 1: Jonathan Wadowski, a graduate student and applied physics and mathematics
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  Speaker 1: at Columbia University. A wedding is eminent. Wow, wedding eminent,
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  Speaker 1: Seeming like her whole world is unfolding in a beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: wonderful way before her. Take a list of Sharon al
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  Speaker 1: fanse ABC, smart, pretty, and conscientious. That's how friends describe
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  Speaker 1: Annie Lee. A lot of good friends, a wonderful fiancee.
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  Speaker 1: She's going to marry on Sunday. We all love her
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  Speaker 1: a lot. Photos of the twenty four year old Yale
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  Speaker 1: medical student on Facebook show the bride to be smiling,
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  Speaker 1: posing in her wedding dress and with her fiancee, who
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  Speaker 1: she describes as her best friend. On Facebook. They have
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  Speaker 1: her smiling. You see her wedding address set to Mary
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday. Let's trace that day for Annie Lay to
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  Speaker 1: Matthew Chase, uh investigative reporter with Newsday. Matthew, what was
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  Speaker 1: her day like that day? September eight? You know that weekendancy,
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  Speaker 1: she was planning to go to New York to Love
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  Speaker 1: Island to be married. And uh, you know, in the morning,
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  Speaker 1: her roommates actually hear the quick clack of her heels
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  Speaker 1: as she walks around. You know, she's she's waiting for
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  Speaker 1: a package from Kentucky from a place called Rue La
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  Speaker 1: La for the for the wedding um. And one of
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  Speaker 1: her roommates told us that, you know, she was walking
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  Speaker 1: to a campus bus stop with two of the housemates
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  Speaker 1: of hers um and she's going to go, you know,
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  Speaker 1: probably about three miles to her office on Yale's campus,
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  Speaker 1: and she was planning to go you know later that
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  Speaker 1: later that week to New York for her for her wedding.
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  Speaker 1: That was going to be absolutely beautiful to you, Lisa, Daddy,
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  Speaker 1: I'd joining us retire police lieutenant. You have a police
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  Speaker 1: department and senior lecturer. What more do we know about
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  Speaker 1: her day? Because that kind of reminds me my friends,
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  Speaker 1: my colleagues at the DA's office in a hold all.
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  Speaker 1: Let me go to Daryl Collen on this. When you
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  Speaker 1: worked in the DA's office, that was before we had carpet, remember,
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  Speaker 1: and the floors were tile and I remember everybody, especially
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  Speaker 1: my friend Al Dixon and Eleanor own them. They would
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  Speaker 1: always say they could hear me coming the same coming
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  Speaker 1: down that tile with the heels on, which points out
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  Speaker 1: that you could have never been a good criminal because
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  Speaker 1: you could have never snuck up on anyone. We didn't have.
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  Speaker 1: We had one copier we had. Oh, don't even mention
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  Speaker 1: that copier. I'd fight with it every Friday night till midnight,
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  Speaker 1: trying to get discovery out ten days before trial. Oh yes,
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  Speaker 1: we were staying in the ancient, not state of the art.
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  Speaker 1: I was just thinking about any lake. You know, her
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  Speaker 1: roommates hearing those heels, you know. Clicking back to Lisa
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  Speaker 1: Daddio joining US former police lieutenant Behaven. So her friends
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  Speaker 1: hear her that morning that Sunday, it's planned for her wedding.
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  Speaker 1: What more do we know about her trek to work
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  Speaker 1: that morning? You know what we knew about any the
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  Speaker 1: day that she was last seeing We knew that she
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  Speaker 1: was heading to her office in the Yale Stirling form
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  Speaker 1: of Medicine, and then from there she was going to
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  Speaker 1: go to her research laboratory to do a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: work with her experiment her research and working on mice
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  Speaker 1: because she was going to be leaving later that evening
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  Speaker 1: or the next morning to go down to New York
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  Speaker 1: to see her fiance as they prepared for the wedding
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  Speaker 1: that weekend. So this was kind of the last day
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  Speaker 1: that she was going to be on campus until after
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  Speaker 1: her wedding. I'll tell you about her research. What was
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  Speaker 1: her research, Matthew Chase. She did research. She was a
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  Speaker 1: pharmacology student, as you guys had said, and she was
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  Speaker 1: doing research relating to ailments like diabetes. She did research
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  Speaker 1: with animals with lab mice, you know, and trying to
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  Speaker 1: find cures or more about you know, those sorts of diseases.
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Japan. You know, Annie was a brilliant researcher. She
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  Speaker 1: had won and been selected to. On top of receiving
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  Speaker 1: well over one hundred thousand dollars school in the University
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  Speaker 1: of Rochester, she was also a recipient with the National
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  Speaker 1: Institute of Health and the National Science Foundation, both incredibly
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  Speaker 1: prestigious scholarships and awards for research that she got both
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  Speaker 1: at the undergraduate level at the University of Rochester and
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  Speaker 1: then at the graduate level at Yale University. Those research
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  Speaker 1: grants and the money that's afforded for her to do
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  Speaker 1: a research are so competitive and prestigious, and yet she
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  Speaker 1: gets them at both her undergraduate university and her graduate school,
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  Speaker 1: which is just incredible, honestly, And then something you really see,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when you're at that level, Daryl Coh. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: law school was hard enough, and I went on to
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  Speaker 1: get a master's in constitutional criminal law at NYU. That
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  Speaker 1: was hard enough, but that's nothing, in my mind, compared
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  Speaker 1: to this kind of research. One of my nephews is
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  Speaker 1: getting his PhD and math right now, and it's so
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  Speaker 1: far beyond anything I ever studied. The other one went
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  Speaker 1: and got his NBA at Chicago. I'm bragging, and the
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  Speaker 1: hard work it takes for that. I'm just imagining any latest, beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: petite girl as brilliant as she is, getting this degree
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  Speaker 1: and doing all this researches. It must have been very
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  Speaker 1: intensive while she's there in the lab. I bet she
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  Speaker 1: didn't notice anything going on around her. Yeah, my guess
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  Speaker 1: would be that she was completely focused and that her
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  Speaker 1: whole world was directly in front of her. Nothing to
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  Speaker 1: the left, nothing to the right, and nothing too far away,
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  Speaker 1: just directly in front of her. Because of focus, I'm
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  Speaker 1: imagining her in those hills and her dress and that
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  Speaker 1: white lab come. She's very, very petite, sitting on a stool,
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  Speaker 1: like a bar stool, looking through a microscope. That's how
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  Speaker 1: I imagine Annie lay to doctor Angela Arnold, psychiatrist shot
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  Speaker 1: me out of Atlanta. I remember when I would try cases.
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  Speaker 1: I would be completely unaware of people coming in and
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  Speaker 1: out of the courtroom. Somebody asking me, once, doesn't it
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  Speaker 1: bother you when people come in the courtroom in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of an opening statement, I'm like, no, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even notice them. I noticed. I felt like
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  Speaker 1: I'm watching a test match. I'd watch the witness, the jury,
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  Speaker 1: the witness, the jury, that's it, and nothing else existed. Well,
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  Speaker 1: and you have to and you have to have that
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  Speaker 1: kind of laser focus when you're doing the kind of
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  Speaker 1: research that she was doing. Also, you can't let anything
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  Speaker 1: around you bothered you. And that apparently what made her
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  Speaker 1: so good at what she was doing, because you are
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  Speaker 1: dealing with such minute amounts of information and detail and
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  Speaker 1: specimen that you really do have to be laser focused
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  Speaker 1: on what you're doing. Nay, if I could just interrupt her, clear, sure,
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  Speaker 1: jump in, Sure, Annie had actually written an article when
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  Speaker 1: she was in New Haven where she talked about campus
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  Speaker 1: safety and security and new Haven, you know, and I
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  Speaker 1: remember there was a line in there that said something like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, all places like New Haven have their perils,
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  Speaker 1: but if you're street smart, you can avoid becoming another statistic.
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  Speaker 1: So this issue was, you know, in the back of
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  Speaker 1: her mind to some degree. Yeah, that's kind of foreboding. Actually, guys,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about a beautiful, gorgeous, brilliant grad student. Take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Tony Deville, principal at Union
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  Speaker 1: Mine High School. Just a wonderful person, a great student, driven, vibrant, energetic,
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  Speaker 1: well respected by her teachers and by her peers. One
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  Speaker 1: of the best students who has ever attended this high school.
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  Speaker 1: She was really involved with math and science, and during
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  Speaker 1: her high school time did an internship at Marshall Hospital
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  Speaker 1: and brought a lot of those materials and experiences back
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  Speaker 1: to share with her science teachers. One of the things
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  Speaker 1: I think she did is she bought a replica of
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  Speaker 1: brain back to the classroom, and all the students obviously
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  Speaker 1: enjoy something like that. Wow, now you know I met
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  Speaker 1: when you did show and Tell Daryl Cohen, you didn't
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  Speaker 1: bring a replica of a brain. Trust me. A brain
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  Speaker 1: is something we have. I don't want to look at it.
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  Speaker 1: I could never have been a physician. I would get
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  Speaker 1: very queasy at blood. But you know, you talk about
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  Speaker 1: she was good at statistics. It's always good to read
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  Speaker 1: statistics and not be a statistic You know, we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about Annie Lay and her whole world. They're just unfolding
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  Speaker 1: before her. And I'm curious about this area Yale where
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  Speaker 1: she was studying, Yale University, newhan Connecticut, and I've been
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  Speaker 1: researching it just recently because of another murder of a
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  Speaker 1: Yale grad student there, and I learned that it's not
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  Speaker 1: a very big town. It's a college town. And you
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  Speaker 1: would think an IVY League school such as Yale would
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  Speaker 1: be in the middle of some elite and posh area,
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  Speaker 1: but actually one in four people at a recent study
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  Speaker 1: were described as living in poverty and Yale and the
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  Speaker 1: crime is is off the charts. What about that, Matthew Chase,
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  Speaker 1: reporter with New's Day. You know, there's definitely a dichotomy
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  Speaker 1: to some degree with between the Gothic storied buildings of
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  Speaker 1: Yale and you know this this city in which it's situated,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and there are there are some there's some
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  Speaker 1: tension between town and gown to some degree. As you said, Um,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of folks there live in poverty, and there's
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  Speaker 1: a stark contrast in some ways between what you think
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  Speaker 1: of when you think of Yale and what you know
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  Speaker 1: the reality of this city in which it's in which
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  Speaker 1: it's located. You guys, take a listen to Annie's pretty
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  Speaker 1: earlier her from AP. Take a listen to Annie's friend
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer Simpson speaking with CBS as Maggie Rodriguez. Annie has
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  Speaker 1: been planning this wedding for over a year with John,
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  Speaker 1: and she was very excited. She's been a countdown to
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  Speaker 1: her wedding day and she was doing weather patterns to
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  Speaker 1: make sure that the weather would be perfect on her
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  Speaker 1: wedding day, and she just wanted everything to be perfect,
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  Speaker 1: everything down to table napkins, to flowers and just Annie
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  Speaker 1: was very very excited about this day and the relationship
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  Speaker 1: with her fiance. Do you know him. John is a
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  Speaker 1: wonderful person. He is very mild mannered, very soft and
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  Speaker 1: well spoken, but very fun and both of them were
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  Speaker 1: very much in love with each other, even searching the
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  Speaker 1: weather patterns for that day to Matthew Chase, reporter with
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  Speaker 1: News Day, tell me about her wedding plants. What do
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  Speaker 1: we know? You know, anthy, she actually blogged quite a
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  Speaker 1: bit about this. She wrote on Facebook. You know, she
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  Speaker 1: wrote that it was going to be in this kind
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  Speaker 1: of gorgeous outdoor area. She writes about, you know, the trouble,
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  Speaker 1: the difficulty of choosing a wedding dress. You know, she
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  Speaker 1: narrows its dead, she narrows it down to two different ones.
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  Speaker 1: She goes shopping with family around Christmas time, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: she writes about having found um a favorite dress. You know,
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  Speaker 1: she describes it as as being a having a mermaid cut.
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  Speaker 1: It's white, it's strapless, it has a small flower applicat um.
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  Speaker 1: You know, with regard to the wedding ring, she writes
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  Speaker 1: about having gazed down in it and being how and
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  Speaker 1: recalling how happy she was. You know, she's looking at
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  Speaker 1: it when she's in the lab, when she's bored and
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  Speaker 1: she's waiting for incubations. Um. The wedding bands are chosen
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  Speaker 1: to compliment the watches that she and her fiance I have.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she's writing all about the ceremony. You know,
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  Speaker 1: she's excited about the pigs and the blanket that they're
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: going to have at the cocktail hour. She's writing about
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: the plans to go to Greece for for their honeymoons,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: so you know she was thinking about this wedding. She
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: was very excited about. Okay, you can laugh, but doctor
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Angela Arnold, my husband and I decided to get married
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  Speaker 1: on Tuesday. We got married on Saturday. Well, but trust me,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: it was not a whirlwind courtship. I met David shortly
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: after Keith was murdered, my fiance, and he really stuck
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: by me through the years, through thick and thin. And
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: our big focus is what are we going to have
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: to eat? What are we going to feed the guests?
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Because we had to throw it together in a hurry,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: and that was the big focus. So it made I
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: saw Jackie smile, and I do the same thing when
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Matthew Chase her Neuesday said she was excited about the
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: pigs in a blanket. I get it, because you want
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: to really, as we say down South, put on the dog.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: You really want to have if you can best as
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I could, in a few short days, throw a great
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: party for your guests if you can, right, because you're
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: so excited about that day, Nancy, and it and it
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  Speaker 1: indicates your future. I mean, I'm quite sure Nancy that
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: even though you put together that wedding in six days,
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  Speaker 1: you remember every detail of it, don't you. I really do.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I really said, yeah, you're right. Hey, we didn't take
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Matt in law school pipe down. So I'm just thinking
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: imagining her planning all the food and the dress and
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: the dress and gazing down at her wedding man as
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: she was working. And I'm going to just continue with
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: my image of her in my mind, sitting on that
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: stool looking through a microscope. Take a listen to Vanessa Flores.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: This is Any's former roommate. I think he was perfect
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: for her, Like um, John was so or is I mean,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: he's He was just so wonderful to her. John was
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: so supportive of her, of her dreams of following her
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  Speaker 1: research goals. Tom. You know, they had to separate. They
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: were together at Rochester and they she went to a year,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: he went to Columbia and he supported her through this
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: and they would talk on the cell phone for hours
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: and they would just be so connected. I can just
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: imagine they're talking on a cellphone for hours. But let's
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: go to that day. That day, September eight. Listen to
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: our forensic crime online dot com. September eighth, Annie Lay
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: leaves her apartment and using Yale Transit, heads off to
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: the Sterling Hall of Medicine on the Yale campus. Around
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: ten am, Lay walks from Sterling Hall to another campus
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: building at ten am, the Scott Street. This is where
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: her research laboratory is located. Her purse, cell phone, credit
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: cards in cash are all left in her office at
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Sterling Hall. Ley is seen on security footage entering the building,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: but is not seen leaving. At approximately nine pm that night,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Lay has not returned home. One of her five housemates
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: calls police to purport her missing. Okay, so the day
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: goes as normal. We see her around ten o'clock walking
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: from Strolling Hall to another building. And what's interesting and
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: it's very helpful when this is true to form a
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: police Lieutenant Nehaan Police Department, now senior Lecturer and Director
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: of the Center for Advanced Policing at University in Haven,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Lisa Daddio. When people or locations, apartment complexes, work locations,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: universities use key cards. I love that explain. So it
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: was a huge break in this case as we got
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: through it and started looking at it when we weren't
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: treating it as a missing person case, because attracts your movements.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: So we knew approximately what time Annie had key carded
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: into her lab, and we knew what time you know,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: she was seen walking into ten homicide because she's actually
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: caught on videotape there. So it really became a huge
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: piece of evidence, if you would, digital evidence for us
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: in this case. Yeah, you know, Jerald Cohen, a foreign
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: prosecutor now defense attorney. It's really hard to argue with
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: keycard info unless you a defense attorney or investigator. What's
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: some of the arguments someone had the individual's key card
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: and was using it, or or in the alternative, they
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: were being forced to use their own when someone else
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: had them in custody of sorts, you know la Arnold
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: wait Japan during I just wanted to add that through
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: that day, the fire alarm goes off and uh, you know,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Annie is not seen leaving the building. The last time
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: she's seen leaving that building is when she's going in um,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: you know, in that brown skirt, green short sleeved t
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: shirt and brown shoes. She's not seen coming out when
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: that smoke alarm goes off, and as I understand, Lisa
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: can probably speak to this. Of course, more the investigators
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: reviewed that video and did not see her coming out,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: and we spent hours and hours and hours combing that
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: because it's not just one video. There are multiple cameras
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: that we had to look at, and so we had
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: analysts that were reviewing everything and slowing it down to
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: make sure and triple check that she's not seen. So
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: that for us investigatively was huge. Another well, I'm on
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: that topic. We were just covering in depth the case
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: of Vanessa Gean, the young woman in the military who
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: goes missing and left behind was her ID. And you know,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: when you work in that scenario, you always have, like
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: what at the District Attorney's office, I always had somewhere
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: on me, usually in my bra the key to my
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: office because with evidence and files and hours and hours
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: of research, I normally shut my door when I would leave,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: even in the DA's office. It was just too critical.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I could let anything happen to it. I guarantee she
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: would keep that key card with her. She had very
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: valuable and intricate research going on. She did not want
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: that disturbed. So I doubt, very seriously she would have
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: given up her key card for anything. What about it,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Lisa Daddy, O. Yeah, she definitely wasn't home. I mean
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: she left her cell phone in her office because she's like, oh,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I don't need it, I'm going to go check on
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: my mice. And then you know, once she was done
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: checking on all her research into and what she needed
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: to do, she actually was going to be going home.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: That was the original plan, based upon information we had
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: from her roommates and even her fiance. But her key
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: card is the only thing that would have gotten her
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: into her lab. So you just don't forget it because
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: no other way are you going to be able to
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: get in because of the research that's going on in
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: there here. My question is how good is the coverage
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: of the cameras? Are we talking fifty eight? How good
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: are those cameras and are they strategically placed so that
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: everyone coming in or going out should be on camera.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: So the cameras that are showing your entrances and exits
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: are all there where there were not cameras. Believe it
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: or not, we're on the lower level where Annie's research
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: lab was, So we didn't have any of that footage
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: at all because it doesn't exist or it didn't exist.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Leave it at that, but all the entrances and exits
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: to that building are covered, so we were able to
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: go through each one of those cameras over from ten o'clock,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I mean repeatedly seeing if she ever last, not even
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: just the day she went missing, but even the day's following.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Leaves one other question. Are there windows that are large
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: enough that can be opened and someone can enter or exit? No,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: there are not. Guys. What you're hearing right now is
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: exactly the way we at the District Attorney's office would
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: sit around talking about various cases. You may it's a
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: winding road. Sometimes it goes afield, and then it comes
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: back as you explore and try to figure out, like
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: a Rubik's cube that you turn over and over in
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: your mind what happened. Take a listen to Randall Pinkston CBS.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Twenty four year old Annie Lee was working on a
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: PhD in pharmacology at the Yale School of Medicine. Tuesday morning,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: she left her office and walked four blocks to her
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: lab near the School of Nursing around ten o'clock or
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: surveillance camera captured her entering the building just afternoon. There
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: was a fire drill, but Lee wasn't seen. When she
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: did not come home Tuesday night, her roommate became concerned
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: and notified authorities. Right now, we are turning the evidence
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: over and over and over in our minds. What happened
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: to Annie Lay, Nancy Grace Killers, amoxt Us signing off
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: goodbye friend.