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What happened to little Lucas Hernandez? The search goes on · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel
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Speaker 1: one thirty two. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: I hope you can join us tonight on A and
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Speaker 1: E eleven p M Eastern. The case of missing d C,
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Speaker 1: in turn, Seaundre lev is far from over, and that's
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Speaker 1: a problem to Dr Brian Russell, you know, Dr Russell.
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Speaker 1: Gary Condon, the U S. Congressman from the Modesto area,
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Speaker 1: allegedly was having an affair with this young girl whose
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Speaker 1: dream comes true. She gets an internship in d C.
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Speaker 1: She travels all the way to d C, where this
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Speaker 1: married statesman allegedly starts to say x affair with her.
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Speaker 1: Then she goes missing. Uh you know, Dr Russell. Of
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Speaker 1: course people look at conduct when it all goes down.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the allegations of a sex affair with a
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Speaker 1: girl twenty plus years younger than you while you're married.
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Speaker 1: That just clouds the entire search for the missing intern. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's right. And and even if you take out of
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Speaker 1: the equation, the fact that you know, there's the age
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Speaker 1: difference and he's married and all that. Uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: on our show Fatal Vows, we always talk about how
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Speaker 1: when there is a murder, the authorities always start. Uh.
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Speaker 1: It's much more likely that somebody is murdered by somebody
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Speaker 1: they know, and oftentimes somebody with whom they've they've been
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Speaker 1: in a very close relationship, than it is that they're
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Speaker 1: murdered by a stranger. And so it makes will sense
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Speaker 1: that the authorities start. It's like a it's like a target.
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Speaker 1: You know, you start at the bull's eye, that's the
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Speaker 1: individual who's now deceased, and then that very first ring
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Speaker 1: around the bull's eye are the people who are closest,
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Speaker 1: including any significant others, and then you you look at
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Speaker 1: them first and work your way out progressively to to
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Speaker 1: those outer circles where the strangers are. Uh. And so
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Speaker 1: it makes total sense that he would have been looked at.
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Speaker 1: And you can't feel us can't feel any sympathy for
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Speaker 1: him given the horrendous behavior that that he did engage
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Speaker 1: in cheating on his wife and having this relationship with her. Well,
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Speaker 1: here's the other thing. He never publicly stated, Yes, I
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Speaker 1: had an affair. Uh, it was stupid, I shouldn't have
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Speaker 1: done it, But I had nothing to do with her disappearance.
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Speaker 1: He said repeatedly that he had nothing to do with
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Speaker 1: the disappearance. He did go speak with police, so the
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Speaker 1: level of cooperation is still a matter of police knowledge.
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Speaker 1: He never publicly admitted to an affair, so that's why
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Speaker 1: we continue to say allegedly had an affair with her.
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Speaker 1: Although numerous cell phone calls at all hours of the
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Speaker 1: day and night were to his cell phone. Even when
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Speaker 1: he was speaking to Dr Phil his story seemed to
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Speaker 1: change about how often he had been with her. But
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Speaker 1: that's a whole another can of worms. Time passes, she
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Speaker 1: still can't be found to Dr William Maroney, renowned medical examiner,
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Speaker 1: joining us out of Madison Heights, author of a new book,
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Speaker 1: American Narcan on Amazon right now, Big, big mistake, Dr Moroney,
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Speaker 1: because police did not go to her apartment building. We're
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Speaker 1: talking about Chandra Levy, Dan Abrahams and I go at
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Speaker 1: it tonight with new bombshell evidence on A and E
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Speaker 1: eleven o'clock p m. Eastern tonight, Dr Moroney, police did
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Speaker 1: not go to Seaundre's apartment to get the security video
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Speaker 1: that would have shown what time she left her apartment
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Speaker 1: the day she goes missing. How was she dressed? Was
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Speaker 1: she dressed to go jogging? Was she with anybody? Did
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Speaker 1: she have a shopping bag with her? I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: a million different ways. Just by looking at her, you
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Speaker 1: may have gotten a clue as to where she was going.
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Speaker 1: By the time police finally got there, they had videoed
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Speaker 1: over the day she goes missing. Dr Maroney, here's the
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Speaker 1: hard part about that. We may have better technology now,
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Speaker 1: but they didn't have it back then. And we're talking
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Speaker 1: about trace recovery. The amount of things you can get
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Speaker 1: now is so small. If they came up with remains,
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Speaker 1: it wouldn't go to a medical examiner, it would go
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Speaker 1: to a bone anthropologist. And these things. It's almost like
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Speaker 1: they were protecting the politician. So you know, that really
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Speaker 1: disrupts Forensic medicine would do the best weekend. The case
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Speaker 1: was advanced DT to Maroney because it took a full year.
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Speaker 1: After she goes missing, police get a call from a
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Speaker 1: jogger who finds a human skull and Rock Creek Park,
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Speaker 1: not far from Chandra's apartment, Police find her walkman a
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Speaker 1: usc shirt in bones scattered. They had to use dental records.
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Speaker 1: But using dental records, police were able to decide once
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Speaker 1: and for all they had in fact found the DC
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Speaker 1: intern sendre Levy. Now, before I get to the forensics,
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Speaker 1: Dr Maroney, at the time Chandra goes missing, the alleged lover,
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Speaker 1: alleged Gary Condrad, the U S representative, as an air
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Speaker 1: tight alibi at the time she used her apartment, he
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Speaker 1: is with the Vice President of the United States. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you really can't argue with that. Then everybody goes wild.
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Speaker 1: Did he order a hit? Did he have some thugs
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Speaker 1: kill her? There's never any evidence at all produced to
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Speaker 1: suggest he ordered her death, and again he has an
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Speaker 1: air tight alibi. But back to her body, Dr Moroney,
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Speaker 1: why did they have to use dental records to identify
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Speaker 1: that it was absolutely her? And how do you do that?
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Speaker 1: When you have dental records, you go to a past
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Speaker 1: X ray of the mouth. The shape of the teeth
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Speaker 1: and the distance in the space is unique like a fingerprint,
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Speaker 1: and the location of cavities chips, The angle of the
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Speaker 1: teeth is very specific and that can be reproduced in
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Speaker 1: the remains, and you have to use that because there's
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Speaker 1: so much breakdown. There's no DNA available in the mud
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Speaker 1: and the and the grass and the fields in an
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Speaker 1: outdoor exposure, So what you have left is hardbone, jaw,
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Speaker 1: and hard teeth. That's also um one of the ways
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Speaker 1: they identified Lee, Harvey Oswald and the Kennedy assassination. Later
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Speaker 1: they looked at dental records. It's it's been a common practice.
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Speaker 1: They have really good dentists, and you know, you don't
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Speaker 1: have any DNA left. It doesn't in their dr Maroney,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't in there. The man that I believe is
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Speaker 1: a main chief suspect in mark On d K had
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Speaker 1: attacked multiple women in the same part, really just yards
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Speaker 1: away from Sandra's body. Okay, he has a tattoo on
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Speaker 1: his chest that looks like Shandre Levie. Yes, this guy,
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Speaker 1: Gondk has managed to walk free. Why take a listen
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Speaker 1: to this. You'll see that gon DK implicated himself and
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Speaker 1: Leaving's murder to four different people. You gotta believe that
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Speaker 1: prosecutors are going to re triumph or wait a second,
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Speaker 1: they're not. Day one, Gary Condon was caught in the
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Speaker 1: cops cross hairs, but by him evading the truth. This
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Speaker 1: isn't focus on the homicide. Even up to this moment,
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Speaker 1: Sandra's mother and father devastated. I have many, many sometimes
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Speaker 1: doubts about things because you know, I have lots of
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Speaker 1: questions that remain unanswered to me. It's really pretty bad,
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Speaker 1: you know, just because we still had hope that she
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Speaker 1: would be final alive and come back, and then she wasn't.
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Speaker 1: There isn't a day that I don't get up and
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Speaker 1: think about my daughter, not to day. You know, it's pain.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I see her whole life here. Why can't
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Speaker 1: we resolve the case and put Chandra's killer behind bars?
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Speaker 1: Tonight A and e eleven pm Eastern, Please join us.
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Speaker 1: A five year old Kansas boy is missing and the
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Speaker 1: hunt goes on, but now it seems as if the
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Speaker 1: water is getting more and more cloudy, more murky in
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Speaker 1: the search for Lucas her nan days. Listen to this
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Speaker 1: Happy birthday, dear Lucas. Happy birthday to you who who
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Speaker 1: are your candle? Good job, but you're five years old? Tomorrow,
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Speaker 1: Happy birthday to Lucas his fifth birthday party. I can
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Speaker 1: still remember the twins fifth birthday party. It wasn't long
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Speaker 1: after that that Lucas goes missing and he's missing right now.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this is with a heavy heart.
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Speaker 1: I'm here with you today, still missing. It's five year
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Speaker 1: old Lucas Fernandez. Lucas was last scene wearing black sweats,
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Speaker 1: white sox, and a gray shirt with a bear on it.
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Speaker 1: Our thoughts and prayers remain with Lucas and Lucas's family
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Speaker 1: as we are diligently investigating the situation. On Friday, February seventeenth,
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Speaker 1: that approximately six fifteen officers were dispatched to a lost
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Speaker 1: juvenile call at a residence in a six hundred block
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Speaker 1: of South Edgemore. When they arrived, they made contact with
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Speaker 1: a twenty six year old female who is the stepmother
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Speaker 1: of Lucas. She reported to officers that she last saw
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Speaker 1: Lucas in his bedroom at approximately three p m. Prior
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Speaker 1: to her showering and falling asleep. Officers and canine units
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Speaker 1: have Dylugi dyl ugilately checked the home and the neighborhood
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Speaker 1: with no luck of locating Lucas at this time currently
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Speaker 1: which top Police Department detectives continued to speak with family
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Speaker 1: and follow up with any leads regarding this unfortunate situation.
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Speaker 1: So we are asking the community which has any information
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Speaker 1: regarding this case, so please call tips in A three
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Speaker 1: one six three eight three four six six one and
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Speaker 1: they will be individuals at our employment or excuse me,
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Speaker 1: Emergency Operation Command Center to answer those tips. However, at
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Speaker 1: this point we're asking citizens to share the information on
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Speaker 1: their social media pages and called the tip Line with
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Speaker 1: any information. We do currently have investigators and officers that
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Speaker 1: are continuing to search the area for Lucas. Straight out
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Speaker 1: to Chuck Roberts, Crime Stories investigative reporter, I want to
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Speaker 1: talk first about how Lucas Hernandez goes missing. If you
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Speaker 1: take one look at this little boy, it's gonna break
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Speaker 1: your heart. The big brown eyes, the smile, he's missing
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Speaker 1: some teeth, just five years old, goes missing in the
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Speaker 1: middle of the day, Chuck Roberts, Let's talk about how
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Speaker 1: he goes missing, Who, what, where, when why. Lucas was
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Speaker 1: home and in a little rented house in the south
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Speaker 1: part of which it's a living with his stepmother and
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Speaker 1: his father, who was away. He's an oil field worker
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Speaker 1: and was a long way away in New Mexico at
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Speaker 1: the time. And on the afternoon of February seventeen, a
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Speaker 1: fairly warm day in the mid sixties. Uh. Stepmom Emily Glass,
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Speaker 1: comes home, she takes a shower, she lays down for
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Speaker 1: a nap, and when she gets up about six o'clock.
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Speaker 1: Three hours later, she goes into Lucas room and he's gone,
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Speaker 1: no sign at all. The back door is open, but
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Speaker 1: she can't find Lucas. She calls police about six fifteen
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Speaker 1: and tells exactly that story, but they find no evidence
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Speaker 1: of a break in and no sign of an abduction.
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Speaker 1: So there's no you know, Maddie's call. There's no alert
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Speaker 1: for an abduction at all. And the search goes on.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, whoa whoa, whoa whoa
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Speaker 1: right there, Ashley Wilcot, Atlanta Javen, I'll judge and found
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Speaker 1: her of child crime watch dot com. Ashley, Wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: She calls police at six did I did I get
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Speaker 1: that timeline wrong? Now you got it right? And it's
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Speaker 1: something is hinky, right, So she takes a nap and
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Speaker 1: oh she wakes up and oh the child's missing, and
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Speaker 1: and then later calls you no, very suspicious, what about
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Speaker 1: the olive garden hold on a moment, Chuck Roberts, wasn't
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Speaker 1: Is there another child in the home other than Lucas,
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Speaker 1: She refers to as her stepson. Okay, who's the other
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Speaker 1: child in the home. The other child is a one
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Speaker 1: year old daughter, and the day before Lucas was missing,
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Speaker 1: she and the little girl go to Olive Garden and
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Speaker 1: she apparently texts her boyfriend Jonathan that she smoked a
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Speaker 1: couple of bowls of weed in the back before they
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Speaker 1: went in for a meal. Uh. And that was the
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Speaker 1: sixteen So apparently Luca was left home on the sixteenth.
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Speaker 1: He was seen by a neighbor peeking through a window
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Speaker 1: that day before. That's the sixteenth of February. That's the
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Speaker 1: day before he goes missing. Ye did anybody see him
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Speaker 1: other than the stepmother after the sixteenth? Not to my knowledge, No,
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Speaker 1: I don't believe so. For all I know, Ashley Willcott,
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Speaker 1: he could have been put out the night of the sixteenth.
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Speaker 1: The only sighting I have of this five year old boy,
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Speaker 1: Lucas her Nannis, who just had his birthday party, was
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Speaker 1: the stepmother. She calls herself a stepmother. She's a girlfriend
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Speaker 1: slung up in the home, but she has been entrusted
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Speaker 1: with taking care of the boy. She's got her own
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Speaker 1: one year old daughter there, who she takes out to
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Speaker 1: Olive Garden and leaves Lucas at home to what eat
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Speaker 1: dust balls on the floor, and somebody else sees him
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Speaker 1: staring all alone out the window. Does that not break
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Speaker 1: your heart? Actually? Absolutely, that's the last sighting of him.
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Speaker 1: And I have no doubt in my mind that this
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Speaker 1: child was murdered after that by this mother. And the
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Speaker 1: worst part, Nancy, is there seems to be no re
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Speaker 1: and more snow admission. No, you know all these lies, lies,
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Speaker 1: lies about win last scene and what happened. And bottom line,
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Speaker 1: that was the last sighting of this child ever. Love
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Speaker 1: and two bowls of marijuana? Mark class with me, founder
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Speaker 1: of Class Kids Foundation, Mark Class what two bowls of marijuana?
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Speaker 1: You listen what law enforcement has to do and I
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Speaker 1: agree with your previous guess as to probably what happened. Um,
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Speaker 1: what law enforcement has to do is they have to
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Speaker 1: investigate all of the possibilities in this situation. Obviously, the
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Speaker 1: girlfriend slash step mom was the last person to see him,
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Speaker 1: so a lot of suspicion is going to fall at
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Speaker 1: her feet. But they've also ought to look at the
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Speaker 1: other possibilities that it was somebody else that knew the boy,
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Speaker 1: that it was that the boy actually did wander off,
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Speaker 1: or even the possibility, the rare possibility of a stranger abduction.
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Speaker 1: But I have no doubt that they will get to
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Speaker 1: the bottom of this and uh we will know what
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Speaker 1: happened to little Lucas Mark. Mark, you said the rare
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Speaker 1: possibility of stranger abduction. Why do you say it's rare
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Speaker 1: there is a stranger abduction from the home? Well, I
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Speaker 1: say the rare possibility of stranger abduction because, uh, those
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Speaker 1: kinds of events really only occur a couple of hundred
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Speaker 1: times a year, particularly the kind of results in the
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Speaker 1: in the death of a child, as as was my
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Speaker 1: daughter Pauli's case. But it's hundreds of thousands of times
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Speaker 1: a year that parents or people very close to the
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Speaker 1: child are involved in their disappearance. And in this situation
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Speaker 1: where this this girlfriend's slash stepmother was the last person
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Speaker 1: to see her see the little boy, um, even more
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Speaker 1: suspicion is going to fall on her at her feet.
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Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, I mean, we all everybody with me.
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Speaker 1: In addition to Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation.
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Speaker 1: You can find it online. Dr Brian Russell, lawyer and
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Speaker 1: psychologists and host of investigation Discoveries, hit show Fatal Vows.
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Speaker 1: You know, evil stepmother. It's not just a myth. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: sadly it sounds like there was tremendous chaos in this
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Speaker 1: household and this kid was was living in Uh. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's just heartbreaking when you think about how he was
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Speaker 1: seen peering through the window while she was off, apparently
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Speaker 1: at a restaurant with her younger other child, having done
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Speaker 1: some drugs. You know, I worry when I listen about
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Speaker 1: this case about something that I know you've discussed recently,
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Speaker 1: uh with Dan Abrams in your new television project at
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Speaker 1: Grace Versus Abrams, And it's the Hacy Anthony case. And
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Speaker 1: one of the sad things that I think perpetrators learned
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Speaker 1: from that case is that if you shut up and
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Speaker 1: wait a long time before helping, or never help and
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Speaker 1: hope that it takes a long time for a body
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Speaker 1: to be discovered, it might deteriorate to the point where
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Speaker 1: it's difficult for forensic examiners to determine exactly the cause
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Speaker 1: of death. And that might help you skate, you know,
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Speaker 1: Dr Bryan Russell, You're so right. Ashley Wilcott, founder of
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Speaker 1: Child Crime watch dot com. I mean, there's Hansel and Gretel, Okay,
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Speaker 1: there is Um Cinderella. There is Um who's the one
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Speaker 1: that eats the apple, Jackie snow white, snow white, thank you.
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Speaker 1: I mean it's from time immemorial. You hear about the
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Speaker 1: evil stepmother. Well, now I see why, Ashley. And do
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Speaker 1: you know, statistically, Nancy, there's so many different statistics about
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Speaker 1: it being done by a step parent, a boyfriend, a girlfriend,
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Speaker 1: and they choose. The parent often chooses that person over
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Speaker 1: their child, So statistically this is not that unusual. So
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Speaker 1: the dad is out working the bio dad is out
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Speaker 1: working on I guess it was an oil rig, Is
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Speaker 1: that right, Jackie? Yes? And out of the blue Lucas,
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Speaker 1: his five year old little boy is just gone. After
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Speaker 1: the step mom his living enjoys two bowls of marijuana
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Speaker 1: and goes out for a nice meal at at Olive Garden,
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Speaker 1: leaving the baby at home. I mean, actually I chase
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Speaker 1: the children, not going to John Davis so much. He's
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Speaker 1: a big horse. But Lucy, I chase her, begging her
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Speaker 1: to eat. I mean, every time she turns around, I'm
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Speaker 1: putting a food food in her hand because she's so thin,
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Speaker 1: going to Olive Garden and leaving the baby at home. Right,
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Speaker 1: And when they take one child, their biological child, and
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Speaker 1: not the other child, the step child right there. Red flag,
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Speaker 1: red flag, red flag. Now we are hearing of all
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Speaker 1: things a day late and a dollar short, that this
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Speaker 1: stepmother's previous husband had pled to a court to keep
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Speaker 1: his children away from her. Why is that, Chuck Roberts,
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Speaker 1: I mean, Lucas has left alone with her, but the
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Speaker 1: bio dad of her other children begs the court to
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Speaker 1: keep her away. Why it was? You're right? It was.
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Speaker 1: It was twelve days before Lucas went missing that the
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Speaker 1: father of her two sons asked the judge to prohibit
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Speaker 1: her from having any contact with them. He says that
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Speaker 1: they had red marks, invisible fingerprints on the boy's chest
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Speaker 1: when he got them back from a visit with Emily
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Speaker 1: black Us and Last blame the red marks on her boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Hernandez. She quickly blamed him, who was, of course,
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Speaker 1: Lucas's father. But on February seventeenth, what would quickly turn
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Speaker 1: into a massive police investigation, Last reported that Lucas was
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Speaker 1: missing from the rental home. So all this took place
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Speaker 1: in the space of you know, two weeks. But you're right.
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Speaker 1: The father of her two sons asked to judge for
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Speaker 1: a court order to prohibit her from having any contact
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Speaker 1: with him. You know, Mark Class Founder, Class Kid Foundation.
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Speaker 1: He's right, Chuck Roberts is right. Just twelve days before
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Speaker 1: little Lucas goes missing, the father of her own young
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Speaker 1: sons reported a quote safety concern to police after the
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Speaker 1: boys visited her. The day after one of his two
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Speaker 1: sons returned home from visiting the stepmother. He was covered
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Speaker 1: in red marks invisible fingerprints on his check, says the
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Speaker 1: boy's father, who files his report with police. Now, according
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Speaker 1: to that document and affidavit from the father, Glass playing
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Speaker 1: the red marks on her boyfriend, Lucas's dad. But the
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Speaker 1: dad he was out on an oil rig. So how
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Speaker 1: did this? I don't understand why he Lucas is left
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Speaker 1: with this mother when she's been petitioned to a court
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Speaker 1: to stay away from her own children. How did that happen? Well?
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Speaker 1: I think that Lucas's father made a fatal miscalculation, and
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Speaker 1: that this woman perhaps was able to present various sides
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Speaker 1: of her personality to different people under different circumstances. But
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Speaker 1: it looks like at the bottom line, she um She's
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Speaker 1: an abuser. She might even be a sadist. She might
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Speaker 1: even be a murderer. I would think we're just starting
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Speaker 1: to get a real portrait of exactly who this woman is, Roberts,
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Speaker 1: before we lay all the blame at the stepmother's feet.
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Speaker 1: You are investigating an alternate theory about what where Lucas is?
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Speaker 1: This five year old little non verbal boy. What's the
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Speaker 1: alternate theory about where he is if he wasn't with
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Speaker 1: the with the stepmother. Well, the alternate theory is that
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Speaker 1: it was a kidnapping hatched by his bio mother, Jamie Or.
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Speaker 1: She was living for a couple of months in Kansas
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Speaker 1: City with a man named Robert Cook Uh and they
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Speaker 1: lived together. She had friends that came over and that
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Speaker 1: sort of scared him, so he act asked her to
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Speaker 1: leave uh and she finally did. She left on February.
24:48
Speaker 1: This is Jamie Or, the bio mother of little Lucas.
24:51
Speaker 1: She heads south with a friend to Oklahoma, and she
24:55
Speaker 1: takes text pictures of the trip all the way. She
24:59
Speaker 1: does want to partage Missouri. She does one in south
25:03
Speaker 1: western Missouri. I don't I don't get it. I don't
25:05
Speaker 1: get it. I mean she's everywhere but Wichita, Kansas, where
25:11
Speaker 1: Lucas goes missing. How could she possibly have the boy. Well,
25:15
Speaker 1: she doesn't. According to Cook, she went to Oklahoma to
25:19
Speaker 1: have an alibi that she was trying to get Lucas
25:22
Speaker 1: away from an abusive situation, and she had her friends
25:28
Speaker 1: find a time when Emily Glass was high and otherwise
25:34
Speaker 1: nodding off, and that's when the break in would occur
25:37
Speaker 1: according to Robert Cook. According to this theory, and that's
25:41
Speaker 1: when Lucas would be taken. She wasn't physically there at
25:44
Speaker 1: the time because she was taking pictures of herself on
25:47
Speaker 1: that day in Oklahoma. Would all Oklahoma is her last text.
25:52
Speaker 1: She arrives there on the day Lucas goes missing in Oklahoma,
25:57
Speaker 1: and Robert Cook's theory is that she had some friend
26:01
Speaker 1: of hers take Lucas from the home to get him
26:06
Speaker 1: away from this abusive situation and take him to a
26:09
Speaker 1: safe Okay, I got it, I got it, I got it.
26:11
Speaker 1: So it's back on the bio mom. Okay. Who is
26:14
Speaker 1: Robert Cook? Robert Cook is um He installs air conditioners
26:18
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. He's a He's a friend of He's
26:20
Speaker 1: a friend of David or David or is Jamie Orr's husband.
26:26
Speaker 1: A strange husband lives in Colorado. Springs. Okay, wait a minute, Okay,
26:29
Speaker 1: hold on, I need a pro at this with me.
26:33
Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, hosts of Investigation, Discoveries, Hitch Show, Fatal Vows,
26:38
Speaker 1: Lawyer and Psychologists. Go ahead and rub it in. You've
26:41
Speaker 1: got two degrees, I've got one. Blah blah. Okay, Dr
26:44
Speaker 1: Brian Russell, you hear where this is coming in. You've
26:47
Speaker 1: got to consider the source. Jamie or is Lucas's bio Mom. Okay,
26:54
Speaker 1: she's out of the picture for all intents and purposes.
26:56
Speaker 1: She lives somewhere else. This is a friend of her
27:00
Speaker 1: ex husband, Like you don't think he's got an ex
27:03
Speaker 1: to grind of some sort. And so they've hatched this
27:07
Speaker 1: theory that all of her text photos are really all
27:12
Speaker 1: over the country, are really establishing alibi while she has
27:16
Speaker 1: some secret friends still the boy. Come on, Dr Russell,
27:19
Speaker 1: how long do you think this so called friend is
27:21
Speaker 1: going to keep their yap shut. Yeah. I'm not buying it,
27:25
Speaker 1: but I have to tell you I wish I were,
27:28
Speaker 1: because then I would have a much more hope that
27:32
Speaker 1: this this young child was still alive. I mean, but really,
27:37
Speaker 1: the bad blood that goes down and there's a divorce.
27:41
Speaker 1: I think this is the more likely scenario. And granted
27:45
Speaker 1: nobody has been found guilty, Lucas is still missing. But
27:48
Speaker 1: I want instead of some cockamami theory hatched by the
27:52
Speaker 1: ex husband's friend that the bio mom stage to kidnapping,
27:59
Speaker 1: a long distance kidnapping, I want you to hear Lucas's
28:04
Speaker 1: blood relative, his aunt, Sally res Mussen. She talks to
28:10
Speaker 1: K A k E. T V Wichita reporter Greg Miller
28:14
Speaker 1: about her concerns about little Lucas's safety. It's about and
28:21
Speaker 1: because I was a VPS investigator of my help, you know,
28:25
Speaker 1: I would feel helpless. She was sent photos of Lucas
28:27
Speaker 1: last year and saw multiple bruises on his face and neck,
28:31
Speaker 1: so she says she called protective services. All these stories
28:34
Speaker 1: I've been hearing for months about him possibly being abused.
28:38
Speaker 1: She only got more concerned after the father and son
28:40
Speaker 1: came to New Mexico for work. She says she and
28:43
Speaker 1: another relative saw more signs that the child was hurt,
28:46
Speaker 1: and so another report was filed in that state, and
28:49
Speaker 1: they investigated and had a frantic interview and all that
28:52
Speaker 1: kind of stuff and sent them. I guess the police
28:55
Speaker 1: didn't think there was enough evidence. When I first found
28:57
Speaker 1: out he was missing, I um was suspicious and then
29:03
Speaker 1: worrying it's a five year old child. They don't just
29:08
Speaker 1: vanish in the air. The theory that the bio moms
29:14
Speaker 1: somehow plans a long distance kidnapping by so called unnamed
29:20
Speaker 1: friends who have yet to emerge that did not wash
29:25
Speaker 1: with the Deputy Police Chief, Gavin Sealer. Listen, this case
29:30
Speaker 1: is now considered criminal investigation. Investigators have arrested a six
29:35
Speaker 1: year old female on two counts of child endangerment. Charges
29:40
Speaker 1: are related to new information togethered during this investigation. Officers
29:45
Speaker 1: and investigators have been working on this case NonStop since
29:49
Speaker 1: six fifteen Saturday evening. We have collected information through countless interviews,
29:55
Speaker 1: follow ups on leads, and examining evidence. Seven. I'm sorry
30:00
Speaker 1: this incident has touched many in our community. I know
30:05
Speaker 1: that many There are many more questions as a result
30:08
Speaker 1: of this are This continues to be a criminal investigation
30:12
Speaker 1: and we cannot go into further details. The search for
30:16
Speaker 1: Leakas Lucas is ongoing and we are still asking public
30:20
Speaker 1: for assistance. We continue to provide every resource that we
30:25
Speaker 1: have available to find Lucas. This is our priority. Uh.
30:30
Speaker 1: If you have any information on where his whereabouts, please
30:33
Speaker 1: call this tipline number is three one six three eight
30:37
Speaker 1: three four six six one UM. As a result of
30:43
Speaker 1: this investigation too, we would also like to thank the
30:46
Speaker 1: those other agencies that have been assisting us over the
30:49
Speaker 1: past few days. Those are the FBI, KPI, the District
30:53
Speaker 1: Attorney's office, and a Sigectlantic County Sheriff's office. So that
30:58
Speaker 1: at this point, yes, world, is that a stepmother, that
31:02
Speaker 1: is the stepmother Emily Glass, It is twenty six year
31:06
Speaker 1: old thing, the endangering the child? Would that be endangering Lucas?
31:13
Speaker 1: That there are two children we bolters, so two separate
31:20
Speaker 1: councils to separate some of us. Two separate councifer but
31:23
Speaker 1: one do you do Lucas? One of those children? Is
31:26
Speaker 1: he Lucas? Yes, we know what the child involve me
31:31
Speaker 1: one her child? Is that her? Her daughter? Hum going
31:40
Speaker 1: to them? Do you consider at this point that his
31:44
Speaker 1: disappearance is likely going to be a homicide just point
31:49
Speaker 1: in time? We hope not. We hope that we are
31:52
Speaker 1: able to find Lucas and that he is alive and
31:56
Speaker 1: room or are you guys searching now uh this uh
32:01
Speaker 1: investigation will continue on as far as specific locations, there's
32:05
Speaker 1: various locations that I won't make any specific atentions. Can
32:11
Speaker 1: you elaborate on the nature of endangering the child, like
32:14
Speaker 1: was that leaving a child alone or the nature of it.
32:18
Speaker 1: I won't get into investigation charges. When was she arrested?
32:25
Speaker 1: Shoot wrestling book set? Do one more question? What information?
32:33
Speaker 1: And I guess when if you got to get that
32:34
Speaker 1: afformation that runs to do it from invastation. This has
32:37
Speaker 1: been a result of as I mentioned, we started a
32:40
Speaker 1: six fifteen on this three days ago, working still and
32:46
Speaker 1: uh so as a result of all the interviews and
32:49
Speaker 1: throughout the investigation and stuff and talking with people, evidence
32:54
Speaker 1: that was collected and things as when we turn it
32:57
Speaker 1: intostations more. Have you guys been able to um verify
33:03
Speaker 1: her account of what happened in terms of from you
33:06
Speaker 1: the last person to see him again. That's all part
33:09
Speaker 1: of the investigation. I don't want to get into details
33:11
Speaker 1: of it, okay, and so I will discuss that quarterly.
33:15
Speaker 1: It is possible there could be more charmings. There is
33:18
Speaker 1: possibility of more charges car but that's not the end
33:20
Speaker 1: of it. The stepmother arrested. She's we still don't know
33:24
Speaker 1: where Lucas is it. As a matter of fact, at
33:27
Speaker 1: this moment, Emily Glass is requesting a lower bond so
33:33
Speaker 1: she can't get out of jail. Listen. In this case,
33:36
Speaker 1: this bond reflects crimes that are not charged in the complaint.
33:41
Speaker 1: The severity of the alleged crime committed, I would, compared
33:45
Speaker 1: to the bond itself is a huge exaggerating difference in
33:49
Speaker 1: what any other similar situated to finish we're seen. Additionally,
33:54
Speaker 1: she's been in custody since February. This crime carries a
33:58
Speaker 1: maximum sentence of tops and maximum finds nowhere near to
34:05
Speaker 1: the possible punishment alow By law does not support such
34:09
Speaker 1: a high vonda amount. Emily is from this area. She
34:14
Speaker 1: resides in this area, all of her family lives in
34:17
Speaker 1: this area. Per stinct case is in this county. She's
34:23
Speaker 1: not a flight riskal with all matters being considered, the
34:30
Speaker 1: court believes that in this particular case, under these facts
34:33
Speaker 1: and circumstances, with that ongoing investigation occurring with which involves
34:41
Speaker 1: a minor child, that case in itself and that investigation
34:47
Speaker 1: makes misclass a flight risk. In order to respond and
34:51
Speaker 1: answer to these charges in this case. And so with
34:55
Speaker 1: all that in mind and all that under consideration, before
35:00
Speaker 1: it leaves at the bottom this case appropriately said, and
35:04
Speaker 1: we'll deny. And Nancy Emily Glass spoke exclusively from jail
35:09
Speaker 1: to fact Finder twelve investigator Devon fast Binder. There's obviously
35:13
Speaker 1: a lot of rumors going on, a lot of things
35:15
Speaker 1: that people are saying about your stepson Lucas. Just curious
35:19
Speaker 1: if there's anything that you want to say about that situation. Yeah, um,
35:25
Speaker 1: and that's kind you know, you know, being a boy
35:31
Speaker 1: playing with older brothers and his cousins. Um, and he
35:39
Speaker 1: has asked some uh, he's like, you may not have
35:48
Speaker 1: given birth to him and my baby boy today. I
35:54
Speaker 1: take care of them every day. No. Um, it's very
36:02
Speaker 1: stainful that this is happening and a time like this
36:05
Speaker 1: right now. Do you have any idea where Lucas might
36:09
Speaker 1: be at this point? You guys, I would play what
36:16
Speaker 1: if anyone says so you give me? And Dad are
36:20
Speaker 1: worried to say, you know what? I I keep thinking
36:25
Speaker 1: maybe what could have happened? You know? Hey, thy brothers
36:35
Speaker 1: hes so close now, Emily, I hope you understand. I
36:41
Speaker 1: do have to ask you because of you know, the
36:44
Speaker 1: arrest and because of a lot of rumors, did you
36:46
Speaker 1: hurt Lucas. I would never hurt because there there's a
36:53
Speaker 1: huge there's a huge history between the family from New Mexico,
36:59
Speaker 1: and by it all the accusations, I'm sorry you. Finally,
37:05
Speaker 1: when he had got hurt and and the bruises, he
37:08
Speaker 1: wasn't under my hair, um because I would send them
37:12
Speaker 1: off with my cousins. And there's older boys who were there,
37:16
Speaker 1: and he's a very little small boy and can get
37:21
Speaker 1: hurt easily. And when he's playing with older boys who
37:24
Speaker 1: were like ten years old, even though you're got to
37:29
Speaker 1: tell him he careful, We had to tell all the
37:32
Speaker 1: time you don't be careful. So you're saying that all
37:38
Speaker 1: of those bruises and those things from the pictures and
37:41
Speaker 1: the accusations are all from him just being a little
37:43
Speaker 1: boy and playing with other boys. Absolutely. I mean there's
37:49
Speaker 1: things where him and my older boys with the look
37:55
Speaker 1: around the house and they wouldn't even get ripper, you know,
37:59
Speaker 1: no boy always say m hm, is there anything that
38:05
Speaker 1: you would want to say to Lucas if you put
38:07
Speaker 1: right now? But I love it very much. I like
38:13
Speaker 1: the hole so it's always me of his sister. What
38:25
Speaker 1: about much can you tell me any more about what
38:31
Speaker 1: happened that Saturday when he disappeared. Just the fact that
38:41
Speaker 1: the biggest shower and to be cooking at like we
38:44
Speaker 1: always do. They put it down for a movie and
38:50
Speaker 1: it's cool because yeah, I got this crazy. So that
38:54
Speaker 1: was why he had a full of life. Um, you
39:00
Speaker 1: have fall the sleep up to my shoulder, which is
39:02
Speaker 1: why I went up. Now I trying to go as
39:11
Speaker 1: of right now, Emily Glass still trying to get a
39:14
Speaker 1: lower bomb. But that's not the end of it. To
39:18
Speaker 1: Alan Duke, another development with the so called evil stepmother,
39:23
Speaker 1: what is it? Well, this is unbelievable. We have been
39:27
Speaker 1: told by law enforcement sources that Emily Glass is with child.
39:32
Speaker 1: She is pregnant in jail, apparently before she was arrested.
39:40
Speaker 1: Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation. Mark, I imagine
39:47
Speaker 1: that every day of your life you think about if
39:53
Speaker 1: you could have your daughter Polly back, And every day
39:59
Speaker 1: of my life I thank god that I managed to
40:03
Speaker 1: live through you. You you and I were texting Mark
40:07
Speaker 1: delivering the children at age eight when Lucy and I
40:10
Speaker 1: almost died. I mean, a child is it's the most
40:17
Speaker 1: one is transformed my whole life. And here's this woman,
40:22
Speaker 1: Emily Glass, with her ex husband begging a court to
40:26
Speaker 1: keep her away from their children after they come home
40:29
Speaker 1: covered in marks from a visit with her. Then you
40:33
Speaker 1: have her in two bowls of pot, leaving little Lucas
40:37
Speaker 1: alone while she goes out to eat. Now he's missing,
40:43
Speaker 1: and now she's going to have another child. Mark, I mean, really,
40:47
Speaker 1: one wonders why this woman continues to have children, given
40:51
Speaker 1: her history, her obvious history with children. If I can
40:55
Speaker 1: speak to something else very quickly, Nancy and missing child
40:59
Speaker 1: came as. While the child is still missing, we always
41:02
Speaker 1: come up with alternative theories, best case scenarios such as this,
41:07
Speaker 1: this idea that the bio mom somehow engineered kidnapping to
41:12
Speaker 1: keep the child safe. As fanciful and wonderful as that
41:15
Speaker 1: could possibly be. I'm afraid that, as your other guest
41:19
Speaker 1: said that that it's not real and it's only wishful thinking.
41:23
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I agree with you, Mark Class
41:27
Speaker 1: and Brian Russell Brian joining us from Investigation Discovery. Brian,
41:35
Speaker 1: you know you've got two children covered in red marks
41:38
Speaker 1: and fingerprints on their chests, crying to their dad after
41:43
Speaker 1: visiting the bio, Mom, you've got Lucas Hernandez missing. It
41:49
Speaker 1: just doesn't seem right, Brian, that people his children end
41:55
Speaker 1: up mistreated, get to keep having children when other people
42:00
Speaker 1: would give their right arm, their eye, teeth to have children. Now,
42:03
Speaker 1: I know, every time I encounter one of these stories,
42:06
Speaker 1: I think about you and how long you waited before
42:11
Speaker 1: you were able to become a mom. And I think
42:13
Speaker 1: about all the people out there who were, you know,
42:16
Speaker 1: trying to go through all kinds of expensive, high tech
42:20
Speaker 1: medical procedures to have kids, and you know, and it's
42:23
Speaker 1: kind of like, uh, you know, you and I have
42:26
Speaker 1: talked before on this program about how you know, you
42:31
Speaker 1: see wonderful people, wonderful dad's, wonderful moms being murder victims,
42:37
Speaker 1: and you sit there and you go, you know, how
42:40
Speaker 1: is it that Castro goes until he's you know, a
42:44
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years old? You know, you know, these
42:47
Speaker 1: horrible dictators and and you know it's just not fair. No,
42:53
Speaker 1: it's not And I think about in my line of work,
42:55
Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, like, think about all the moms and
43:00
Speaker 1: ads I have spoken with whose child went missing or
43:05
Speaker 1: was killed or they have no idea where the child
43:07
Speaker 1: is and what they would give their own life to
43:13
Speaker 1: have the child back safe and sound. Right now, Emily
43:19
Speaker 1: Glass trying her best to get a lower bond and
43:22
Speaker 1: get out of jail. This as we still are on
43:27
Speaker 1: the search for Lucas her Nandez, beautiful little boy. Take
43:36
Speaker 1: a listen to the very latest Nancy. With more than
43:40
Speaker 1: one hundred local officers and FBI agents involved in investigating
43:46
Speaker 1: the disappearance of a little Lucas, his dad still isn't
43:50
Speaker 1: satisfied and what's the higher private investigator. He's trying to
43:54
Speaker 1: raise dollars through a go fund me campaign. Jonathan her Nandez,
44:00
Speaker 1: the father, says, and I quote, I am setting up
44:04
Speaker 1: this fundraiser to find my sweet little boy. I'm very
44:06
Speaker 1: excited to say that Klient Investigations and Consulting have agreed
44:10
Speaker 1: to take on the task of finding Wichita's son. So
44:15
Speaker 1: the investigative agency says that they'll start once twenty five
44:20
Speaker 1: dollars is paid up front to cover their logistical expenses,
44:23
Speaker 1: and then they'll start investigating. How can they help local
44:27
Speaker 1: law enforcement and the FBI do it? They say, Well,
44:30
Speaker 1: they're gonna try. Please, if you have any information at
44:35
Speaker 1: all on what became a little Lucas, please call the
44:42
Speaker 1: tip line. We need those tips coming in. If they're
44:45
Speaker 1: not coming in, we got nothing to go on. Alan,
44:49
Speaker 1: please give us the tip line. Nancy investigators asked that
44:53
Speaker 1: anyone with information about Lucas Hernandez, where he might be,
44:57
Speaker 1: what might have happened to them, please call three one
45:01
Speaker 1: six three eight three four six six immediately. The search
45:07
Speaker 1: for Lucas Hernandez goes on. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off,
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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,