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#262 Choc's Chats: Beyond The Banter · Two Doting Dads with Matty J & Ash

• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Wicks, we have a guest today who happens to be
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: a close friend of yours.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I have explored the inside of his mouth.
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 5: With my tongue. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: He's a great kisser.
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  Speaker 2: It is Jake Cullen, but you may know him as
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  Speaker 2: Chox Chats.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he makes very funny videos on social media, both
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  Speaker 1: Instagram and TikTok, in and around relationships, but he does
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  Speaker 1: do it to get a rise out of his wife.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, cut from the same cloth as you.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: How do you know Choc?
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  Speaker 1: Just through the same way I know you, social media.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great love story, just like ours.
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  Speaker 6: Ours is actually one that's been repeated by you how
• 0:53
  Speaker 6: many times? How many other people are there who just
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  Speaker 6: happen to meet you on social media?
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  Speaker 4: Moving on.
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  Speaker 2: Another notch on the belt.
• 1:01
  Speaker 5: Is that what you're saying?
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  Speaker 3: You are another notch on my belt. How does that
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  Speaker 3: make you feel? And so is Choc.
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  Speaker 6: Like a piece of meat. Actually, this is like Jerry Springer.
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  Speaker 6: Me and Choc are here to confront you. You have
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  Speaker 6: to pick one.
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  Speaker 5: I'll take both.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you very much. But Jake is a new dad.
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  Speaker 3: He's not as high on the hierarchy as you, if
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  Speaker 3: you will.
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  Speaker 2: I'm listening.
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  Speaker 5: If you will.
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  Speaker 3: He does not have as much experience as being a
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  Speaker 3: dad as you.
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  Speaker 5: Anything else you want?
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  Speaker 4: How do I make you feel better?
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  Speaker 2: I feel great.
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  Speaker 6: He does have an 18-month-old Bobby, and he did have
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  Speaker 6: a huge scare with Bobby when Kate, his beautiful wife,
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  Speaker 6: was about 20 weeks pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: It's news that no expecting parent wants to hear, and
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  Speaker 1: we get to see a more vulnerable side of Chocky
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  Speaker 1: than we would see on social media, so I want
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  Speaker 1: to thank him for that.
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  Speaker 5: Matt, should we get into it?
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  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 6: Welcome back to Three Dating Dads.
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  Speaker 2: I am Matty J.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Ash.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm Choc.
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  Speaker 2: And this is a podcast all about parenting. It is
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  Speaker 2: the good, it is the bad.
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  Speaker 5: And the relatable.
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  Speaker 2: And Choc, we don't give advice. Never have, never will.
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  Speaker 2: Never plan on it. You can.
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  Speaker 4: I can?
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  Speaker 2: If you want.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, jeez, I'm still working it out. Good answer. I'll
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  Speaker 4: see how I go with that.
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  Speaker 5: But we will give you a proper intro.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't like to do it in front of
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  Speaker 3: the guests because it gives them a big head.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, right. Yeah, you don't want to do that. We
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  Speaker 4: don't want that. We don't need that sort of energy.
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  Speaker 4: I'd hate to be the centre of attention.
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  Speaker 5: No, you'd hate that. You'd absolutely hate that.
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  Speaker 4: So let's start with you because it is about you. Oh, okay. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 4: Who let him in here? Didn't you win Father of
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  Speaker 4: the Year, actually?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we won.
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  Speaker 2: I'll take it from here, guys.
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  Speaker 4: Congratulations. I won Assistant to the Father of the Year. Well,
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  Speaker 4: that's good as well. Thank you. I get all the
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  Speaker 4: hard eating questions.
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  Speaker 5: Just ask DC from today's show.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Just want to ask you, find a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: the man. Do you recall the most trouble you got
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  Speaker 1: in as a child?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, the most trouble. There's probably a couple. There's one
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  Speaker 4: that sticks out. It's very weird. You guys might find
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  Speaker 4: it weird, but I'm a twin. I'm a twin. If
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  Speaker 4: you can believe that. Twin sister.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: That's her. I'm the guy. You're the twin sister. I'm
• 3:01
  Speaker 4: the male.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, good.
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  Speaker 6: That's what it is.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how it works. Maybe clear that up. But we,
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  Speaker 4: for some reason, it just sort of stuck on an
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  Speaker 4: early age. But then anytime mum was on the phone
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  Speaker 4: to like my auntie or someone, we'd go, oh, now's
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  Speaker 4: our time. And we'd run to the fridge and we'd
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  Speaker 4: grab all our eggs and smash all the eggs on
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  Speaker 4: the ground.
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  Speaker 6: Why?
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  Speaker 4: Just smash them all. I have no idea why. And
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  Speaker 4: then it just sort of stuck.
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  Speaker 2: How old?
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  Speaker 4: Oh. Probably before primary school would have started, maybe just
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  Speaker 4: before primary school. You little shit. And then it just
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  Speaker 4: dragged on for a while. I think to the point
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  Speaker 4: where my sister grew out of it and I was
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  Speaker 4: still like 16 at home, like smashing eggs. No, not
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  Speaker 4: that old.
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  Speaker 2: Why didn't your mum fucking lock up the eggs or
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  Speaker 2: stop buying the eggs?
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  Speaker 4: She liked the intentions. For that many times she'd be like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: hold on, I've got to go, niece, to smash an
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  Speaker 4: eggs again. And that just become a normal thing in
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  Speaker 4: our household. Like a tradition. Mum would just buy so
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  Speaker 4: much eggs.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the Greeks would smack the plates. You'd be like, woppa!
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  Speaker 4: Just smash an egg.
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  Speaker 5: It's fun.
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  Speaker 4: Have you ever smashed an egg?
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  Speaker 2: It is good. It is good.
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  Speaker 4: Try it out. I definitely have.
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  Speaker 3: Accidentally.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not going to waste precious eggs.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know how much money mum spent
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  Speaker 4: on eggs. We didn't exactly grow up rich. I should
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  Speaker 4: probably apologise to mum about that. Sorry about that. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I just used to smash eggs a lot. And then
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  Speaker 4: I actually accidentally reversed my dad's car down the driveway,
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  Speaker 4: like over our bush area, through over our letterbox and
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  Speaker 4: then to the front pole at the front of our house.
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  Speaker 4: What was the punishment on that one? I just did
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  Speaker 4: the classic, like, I didn't mean it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: At least you weren't smashing eggs.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you were letting me play in the car. It's
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  Speaker 4: your fault.
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  Speaker 2: How old were you?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, young. It was primary school. I don't know what age,
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  Speaker 4: but I was very young playing in the car.
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  Speaker 2: Did you get in trouble?
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  Speaker 5: I remember getting in trouble.
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  Speaker 4: I can't remember. I probably just got a little smack maybe. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: a smack as well. Not like heaps, but you just
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  Speaker 4: get the odd smack every now and then.
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  Speaker 2: You're like not drawing blood.
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  Speaker 4: No, not drawing blood.
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  Speaker 2: Not that time.
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  Speaker 4: We didn't box. He's like, right, you, me, inside. Because
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  Speaker 4: you and dad. Ding, ding, ding. You and dad.
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  Speaker 2: Get some knuckle dusters.
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  Speaker 4: I'm eight. I'm eight years old. Put them up. I
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  Speaker 4: was like, ah, get me out of here.
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  Speaker 2: Why do they call you Chuck?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, long story, actually. You got time? No. Sweet.
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  Speaker 2: Moving on.
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  Speaker 4: No, my old footy coach gave it to me. It
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  Speaker 4: was short for chocolate bear. By the way, boring story. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: chocolate bear was like, I think, remember Scrubs, the TV
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  Speaker 4: show Scrubs?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, great, great fan.
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  Speaker 4: My football coach loved it and used to quote it
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  Speaker 4: all the time and I loved it. I used to
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  Speaker 4: call him J.D., And then he started calling me chocolate
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  Speaker 4: bear because of Turk. And I was like, I'd look
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  Speaker 4: nothing like him if you can't tell. You're not black. No.
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  Speaker 4: Not even a slight.
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  Speaker 2: What's your background?
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  Speaker 4: Easy white chocolate. But then it just got short. I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: I can't be getting around being called chocolate bear. So
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  Speaker 4: he sort of shortened it to chocolate and then shortened
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  Speaker 4: it to choc. And then I.
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  Speaker 6: They are vastly different. Chocolate Bear is like soft, cuddly, sweet,
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  Speaker 6: and then Choc's like.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, why they call me Choc?
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  Speaker 2: You don't want to know.
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  Speaker 4: Seriously, you don't want to know. I like it. It's cute.
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  Speaker 4: It's a cute story, actually. I wish I had a
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  Speaker 4: better story. I usually come up with a fake one.
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  Speaker 4: I should have told you that one instead.
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  Speaker 2: You do look like a Choc.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 2: In the nicest way possible.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure that was... I hear what you're saying,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm not sure that was offensive at all.
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  Speaker 3: Vic keeps referring to you as Jakey, and I'm like, who?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like... Jakey. I get Jakey.
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  Speaker 2: Who the fuck are we interviewing?
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, what does your.
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  Speaker 5: Wife Kate call you? That's what's important.
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  Speaker 4: Cockhead. Yes. Usually, nah. She calls me Jake. Jacob when
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  Speaker 4: I'm in trouble, which Jacob's not even my actual name.
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  Speaker 4: It's just Jake.
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  Speaker 5: I know, I get full named all the time.
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  Speaker 4: She does that because she knows it'll piss me off.
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  Speaker 2: How did you meet Kate, your beautiful wife?
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  Speaker 4: My beautiful wife. Yes, she is listening, I hope.
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  Speaker 2: Been together for?
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  Speaker 4: Nearly 10 years, I think. Fuck off.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry.
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  Speaker 4: I should know that.
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  Speaker 5: You should.
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  Speaker 4: It's about that.
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  Speaker 2: Married for how long?
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  Speaker 4: Three years. Wow. Yep, three years. You look great. Too young.
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  Speaker 4: I look gorgeous, don't I? A little bit weathered, bit
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  Speaker 4: grey hair, which I'm trying to hide.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't notice you got a couple of greys coming through.
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  Speaker 4: Me too. I shaved it off. I was like, Kate
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  Speaker 4: said to me, she goes, you know, you're going grey.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, why are you bringing it up? I know.
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  Speaker 3: April's like, what's on the side of your head?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, it's just grey hair.
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  Speaker 2: I had to tell my kids. It means I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to die soon.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, you got more grades. And they kept bringing
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  Speaker 2: it up.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that'll be gone soon. So in the moment. That'll
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  Speaker 4: be gone great, poor bastard.
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  Speaker 6: I was like, you know, that means I'm going to
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  Speaker 6: die soon.
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  Speaker 2: To try and deter them from bringing out.
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  Speaker 4: Why would you do that?
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  Speaker 6: Because they kept picking on me being like, you got more.
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  Speaker 6: And I was like, well, this will make you feel bad.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, wow. Actually, I.
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  Speaker 2: But.
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  Speaker 4: Father of the year. Father of the year. That's why.
• 7:30
  Speaker 3: I take back everything I thought about that.
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  Speaker 5: You've got to play the victim sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: When it came out, I was like, oh, shit. But
• 7:37
  Speaker 2: then you were like, oh, it did feel good. And
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  Speaker 2: then they were like, mum.
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  Speaker 5: Now you're in trouble with that.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, you met Kate.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. Funny story, actually. So my brother's now wife. We
• 7:49
  Speaker 4: met through her. I say now wife like he's been
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  Speaker 4: married a few times. Is this as good as the
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  Speaker 4: chocolate bear story? Yeah, it's way better. But his wife
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  Speaker 4: and my wife were best friends growing up. They knew
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  Speaker 4: each other since like prep. So my brother met Louise
• 8:03
  Speaker 4: and then I was single at the time and Louise
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  Speaker 4: had a friend and I was like, hey, what's going on?
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  Speaker 4: You wouldn't let her go. But the night we met actually,
• 8:10
  Speaker 4: funny enough, we were all out and like obviously I
• 8:14
  Speaker 4: was single and Kate was single. And then Louise was
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  Speaker 4: trying to hook up Kate with some other of Josh's friends.
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  Speaker 4: Josh is my brother.
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  Speaker 5: A better one.
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  Speaker 4: And they were like real sort of like clean cut.
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  Speaker 4: And one of them was just like covered in tats.
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  Speaker 4: And a couple of them were pretty handsome fellas. And
• 8:26
  Speaker 4: they were just like, and then she said, what about
• 8:28
  Speaker 4: these guys? We were like, oh, what do you think
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  Speaker 4: of them? And they're like, nah. And they're like, what
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  Speaker 4: do you think of that guy? Like, oh, that's Josh's brother.
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  Speaker 4: And Kate goes, yeah, he just gave me a wet willy.
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  Speaker 4: She's like, I really like him. He's cool. So, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Would you say that you're the first and only man
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: on this earth to successfully pull off the back of
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  Speaker 1: a wet willy?
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  Speaker 4: Hey, I think it works. So, I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 4: encourage it. Don't go trying it. But it works for me.
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  Speaker 4: Would that be considered assault?
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  Speaker 2: Vic right now is just shaking her head. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's great.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's a good icebreaker. Just stick a wet
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: finger in her ear.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean, don't put it like that. That's disgusting. Like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not rude. Hey, come here. But no, it worked.
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  Speaker 4: And then she sang a song. Not for me. It
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  Speaker 4: wasn't like a serenade thing. You don't just give someone
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  Speaker 4: a wet willy and they just sing a song. Why not?
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  Speaker 4: Like a plug-in. But no, I remember giving her a
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  Speaker 4: wet willy and then I mentioned a song or something.
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  Speaker 4: She said, oh, I can sing that because she's a singer.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, yeah, prove it. And then she just
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  Speaker 4: sang in the middle of the street. And I was like.
• 9:25
  Speaker 4: I'm going to marry this girl. Well, that's how it went.
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  Speaker 5: Pretty much.
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  Speaker 4: There you go. I probably didn't know at the time.
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  Speaker 4: It just sounded good to say. Yeah, it makes a story.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to marry this girl.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't actually say that.
• 9:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I knew way later.
• 9:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I said that just last week after being married
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  Speaker 3: for three years.
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  Speaker 6: I think if anyone in Hollywood right now is listening,
• 9:44
  Speaker 6: this is the makings of a beautiful romantic comedy.
• 9:47
  Speaker 3: We've got The Notebook, Chucky Bear.
• 9:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Mark Wahlberg could play me probably if you're just saying.
• 9:54
  Speaker 4: But whatever.
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  Speaker 6: And then who was the one who spearheaded the conversation
• 9:58
  Speaker 6: of starting a family?
• 10:00
  Speaker 4: Oh, well, that, yeah, I don't know. We just sort
• 10:02
  Speaker 4: of like, we didn't really like sit down and say, oh,
• 10:04
  Speaker 4: this is what we're doing. I think we just spoke
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  Speaker 4: in general about, you know, do you want kids one day,
• 10:08
  Speaker 4: that sort of stuff. And I was always like, yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: So was Kate. But we're both very early on just like, yeah,
• 10:13
  Speaker 4: we're having kids one day for sure. Kate's got in
• 10:15
  Speaker 4: her mind that she's having three. She said, that's what
• 10:17
  Speaker 4: we're doing. I was like, okay, I guess we're having three.
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: This is personal, but how old are you?
• 10:21
  Speaker 4: I'm 33. Yeah, great. You're good. He looks much younger.
• 10:24
  Speaker 4: So does my sister as well.
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  Speaker 2: Twin sister.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Twin sister and sister. She doesn't have any kids.
• 10:29
  Speaker 5: Though, does she?
• 10:29
  Speaker 4: No, she doesn't. Right.
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  Speaker 3: So between the two, you have one kid.
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  Speaker 5: Between the twins.
• 10:33
  Speaker 4: Yes. Correct. Yeah, so I don't know. But yeah, I
• 10:36
  Speaker 4: think we just sort of, like we always, obviously we're
• 10:39
  Speaker 4: like when we were trying, Bobby's one and a half now.
• 10:42
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I think a while ago we were like,
• 10:43
  Speaker 4: oh yeah, we want kids. And we got married and
• 10:44
  Speaker 4: then we were never massive on ticking all the boxes
• 10:48
  Speaker 4: that you meant to tick. But then we went ahead
• 10:50
  Speaker 4: and did everything anyway. But we were actually planning on
• 10:52
  Speaker 4: maybe having kids before we got married. And then we
• 10:55
  Speaker 4: ended up getting married first just because of the timings
• 10:57
  Speaker 4: and stuff. But we were always happy to go, like,
• 10:59
  Speaker 4: we were going to have a kid before we got married.
• 11:01
  Speaker 4: And then I remember having the conversation. I can't remember
• 11:03
  Speaker 4: when it was. But I remember speaking to Kate about it, like,
• 11:05
  Speaker 4: pretty clearly. And it was gross because she was on
• 11:07
  Speaker 4: the same page as I was. It was a pretty
• 11:08
  Speaker 4: big decision, you know. And it wasn't like we were
• 11:10
  Speaker 4: always having kids. But it wasn't like, oh, we're just
• 11:12
  Speaker 4: going to go to the shop and buy a new surfboard. Like,
• 11:14
  Speaker 4: it's bringing someone into the world.
• 11:15
  Speaker 5: Pop your pants off.
• 11:16
  Speaker 4: Let's go.
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: It's just like, yeah.
• 11:17
  Speaker 4: You can't return this, you know what I mean? But yeah,
• 11:20
  Speaker 4: we didn't want to like just go, oh, we're just
• 11:22
  Speaker 4: going to get married, have a kid, buy a house
• 11:23
  Speaker 4: just because we thought we had to. We wanted to
• 11:25
  Speaker 4: do those things because we genuinely wanted to do those things.
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: Did you have a plan of attack or was it, look,
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: we're going to stop being protective during sex and then
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: if it happens, it happens?
• 11:36
  Speaker 4: Or was Kate like... This is my ovulation window. Yeah, yeah.
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: Was he?
• 11:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was more like that, yeah. Okay. It was
• 11:41
  Speaker 4: just like, yeah, we're having kids. And then we were
• 11:43
  Speaker 4: pretty lucky, you know, like we got on the first go,
• 11:46
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure.
• 11:49
  Speaker 5: Well, you are a pretty good kisser.
• 11:50
  Speaker 4: Yes, as you would know. So I would know, yeah.
• 11:54
  Speaker 4: Did that work? No.
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: And we'll get to that.
• 11:57
  Speaker 4: But, yeah, that was, yeah, we were pretty lucky. I
• 12:00
  Speaker 4: think actually it might have been the second go because, like,
• 12:04
  Speaker 4: obviously there's ovulating, we've done all that stuff, and Kate
• 12:06
  Speaker 4: was very like, oh, yeah. And then, yeah, I remember
• 12:13
  Speaker 4: I was just working on the house, just like out
• 12:16
  Speaker 4: of the front. She was kind of cool the way
• 12:17
  Speaker 4: she told me. I was just working out in the
• 12:19
  Speaker 4: garage or something. And then she just sort of casually
• 12:20
  Speaker 4: come out talking and she just like had the pregnancy sticker.
• 12:23
  Speaker 4: It was just like, shit. And I just froze.
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: I was like, what the fuck?
• 12:26
  Speaker 4: I was like, ah. That was quick. Yeah. So, yeah,
• 12:29
  Speaker 4: that was cool. It was actually, that part was like, yeah,
• 12:32
  Speaker 4: really exciting early on.
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: It's like when you first find out, you're excited, but
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: then you don't know what to do next.
• 12:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because everything's for the first time. I couldn't compare
• 12:43
  Speaker 4: it to anything. Your first kid is just like, I'm
• 12:47
  Speaker 4: experiencing every part of this for the first time, so
• 12:49
  Speaker 4: what can I do?
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: But it also doesn't really, for me anyway, didn't feel real.
• 12:55
  Speaker 4: You're like, oh my God, this is great.
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: And you're like, well, I guess we'll just wait.
• 12:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's like, what do we do now?
• 13:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: We'll just, it doesn't really feel like it's happening.
• 13:03
  Speaker 6: When you have the scans and the checkups.
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: You can't be like, do you want a drink?
• 13:05
  Speaker 4: Should we have a drink? Yeah. Let's celebrate.
• 13:09
  Speaker 6: So when did it start to sink in with any
• 13:12
  Speaker 6: moments where you were like, shit, this is actually happening?
• 13:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think like, cause there's a period obviously where
• 13:17
  Speaker 4: you'd like, I was like dying to at least tell someone,
• 13:19
  Speaker 4: I'm going to have to tell someone, like I told
• 13:20
  Speaker 4: my brother. So then I can at least have someone
• 13:22
  Speaker 4: to talk to about it early on. And then we
• 13:23
  Speaker 4: waited till like a, A bit further on to tell
• 13:25
  Speaker 4: family and stuff. And that was exciting. And then like
• 13:27
  Speaker 4: telling mum and dad and mum's reaction was fucking incredible.
• 13:30
  Speaker 4: She just started screaming and going nuts. And then my
• 13:33
  Speaker 4: brother's actually got three kids. My sister's got three kids.
• 13:35
  Speaker 4: So she just wasn't her first grandson. How many siblings
• 13:37
  Speaker 4: do you have? There's four of us. Oh, wow. Mum
• 13:40
  Speaker 4: had four kids under five at one point. Yeah. You
• 13:43
  Speaker 4: were one of five under five.
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: She'd get along with my mum really well.
• 13:45
  Speaker 4: Wild. I'm struggling with one. So I don't know how
• 13:47
  Speaker 4: they do it. I know.
• 13:48
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 13:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Like that was slowly started to kick in, kick in.
• 13:51
  Speaker 4: And we started doing all the scans and stuff. I
• 13:54
  Speaker 4: think it's the sixth week or then the 12th week
• 13:56
  Speaker 4: and then it wasn't until like the 20th week when
• 13:58
  Speaker 4: we had like a little bit of a scare coming
• 14:00
  Speaker 4: like the 20-week scan, which sort of from there, as
• 14:05
  Speaker 4: exciting and amazing as it was, I think from the
• 14:07
  Speaker 4: 20 weeks onwards right up until the birth, it was
• 14:10
  Speaker 4: pretty sort of traumatic, I suppose. And like we've sort
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: of gone really numb, I guess, like from just thinking
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: about it or talking about it because it's pretty full
• 14:16
  Speaker 4: on from the 20 weeks onwards, to be honest. We
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: had like a bit of a scare.
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: So did you guys go in together for that?
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: Yes. Yeah, we did. So we went together, had the
• 14:24
  Speaker 4: 20 weeks and she's like, yeah, everything's fine, whatever. Then
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: the lady doing the scans was like, oh yeah, so
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: there's just with this one, that's like, she said something like, oh,
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: it's just over 10 mil, a little bit over 10 mil.
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: So you'll get a follow-up call with the hospital tomorrow.
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: Just go home, whatever, and you'll speak to her. And
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: we didn't know, yeah, exactly. We were like, what? We
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: didn't really understand the 10 mil thing. We're like, okay,
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: like there's a follow-up appointment with the hospital tomorrow.
• 14:48
  Speaker 6: And I'm sure there's dads out there who are great
• 14:50
  Speaker 6: in that environment. But I'm just sitting there in the
• 14:52
  Speaker 6: corner being like.
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: You could tell me anything.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: I have no idea what you're clicking, what you're measuring.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: I'm just waiting for a thumbs up.
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: I was like, what's that? Is that, that's just a
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: black screen. I was like, oh, shit. So this is
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: the receptionist. This is daytime TV. Let me just turn
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: it off now. I was like, oh, well, nothing like it.
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: This is the view.
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: This is the view.
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, then that was kind of cool seeing the
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: first scan, like the black and white one that you see,
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: like you see the heartbeat and moving around. I was
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: just like, oh, my God. But then, yeah, before we
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: even got home, from that scan but someone was on
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: the phone to us saying you booked in tomorrow morning
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: at the hospital like to come have another checkup and
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: we're like oh okay sweet guess this is normal and
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: then we didn't know what it was where we and
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: then we went in there and then pretty quickly they
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: told us like best and worst case scenario like worst
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: case scenario that we could lose the.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: Baby okay at this stage have they not told you what.
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: Was wrong no well they were assuming that the people
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: that did the scans had told us a bit more
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: information and we've gone in going sorry like What?
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: Hold up one second.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: That was like, we were just, and then they were like,
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: that's the worst case. Then they're like, even if it's like,
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: you might lose the baby, there might be some learning difficulties.
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: And we're just like, hold on, just tell us what's
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: going on. They're like, oh, sorry. It's just fucking, I
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: haven't really spoken about this really at all besides probably
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: like now. I haven't really spoken about it in depth
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: with anyone else except for Kate.
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: So I'm just trying to think.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: About it all. So what it was was fluid on
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: the brain. on one side of the brain larger than
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: what is expected. So I think mild is over 10
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: mil and then 13 mil to 15 mil is moderate
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: and over 15 mil is severe. Okay. And what it's
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: called is ventricular megaly. So what that is, is just like, yeah,
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: the fluid on the brain, like, okay. And then they
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: said all these things, best and worst case. So we're
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: freaking out. And they said, look, from here, we can
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: not do any more information, no tests, no, because it
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: can be quite overwhelming for people. You can just continue
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: with the pregnancy and not know anything, or we can
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: go down the path of investigate, do some procedures, some tests,
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: and find out what's going on and monitor it. And
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: we're like, yeah, we'll go down that path. We want
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: to know everything. And they're like, yeah, you can, that's fine,
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: but just with that it's going to be weekly monitoring
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: of the brain, the size, and a few other things.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: So we had to do another procedure called the amniocentesis,
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: I think it is. I think I hopefully got that
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: name right.
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would have believed you.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so all that is is– They get a big
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: needle and they have to put through my wife's like
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: stomach and then they test that fluid to see if
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: there's any other like chromosomes issues or any other genetic
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: stuff with that, which is the scary part about that
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: was because we did that at 21 weeks, it's like
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: they said like, oh, there's a chance that it could
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: bring on early labour and they're like at 21 weeks,
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: if you go into early labour, like you'll lose the baby.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: And that. we had to make a choice of like
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: you do this procedure to find out more information to
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: see if there's anything wrong or you don't find it.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: You stop here. You don't find out anything for the
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: rest of the pregnancy and you just hope for the
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: best or you do the procedure and it brings on
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: early labor and then you, you lose a baby, you know?
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Fuck.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: So that was, um, and we were just like, fuck,
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: like we didn't know what to do, but we ended
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: up getting a bit of guidance from him and thought
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: the best option is to, to have it, you know,
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: and thankfully we had the procedure and, Everything was fine.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: We didn't go into early labour.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: How long did you have to make that call?
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: Well, we found out 20 weeks. We were doing the
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: amniocentesis procedure at 21 weeks. Wow.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: So they were like, we've got to make a call
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: on it.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Because is it– you might not know the answer to this.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Is it restricted in terms of– How many weeks you
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: can and cannot do that procedure?
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: That might be a big question.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: As in, look, when you can do it? Yeah.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: I know they said it was the week later, but
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: are they like, hey, you need to make the decision
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: because after 21 weeks you can't actually do it.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: No, you can. They can do it. It's actually almost
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: people have been known to do it later, apparently, in
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: their pregnancy. So then if it does bring on early labour,
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: at least there's a chance of the baby still surviving
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: if that does happen.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Can you talk us through what that procedure was like
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: for both you and Kate to go through it?
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: That was probably like as far as the ventricular medley.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: I think I got that right. As far as that goes,
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: that was one thing that was very scary.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: And then from there we thought like, oh, that was
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: like the scariest thing ever. Then having this procedure done,
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: that was even scarier, especially when we knew the risks involved.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: We just wanted to find out more information. So that
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: freaked us out.
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: What's that conversation like then between you and Kate when
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: you're at home discussing whether you do or you don't?
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: I remember them asking us in the room and they
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: didn't ask as in like they wanted an answer then,
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: but it just very, it felt, because they've obviously got
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: to deal with a lot of people and a lot
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: of patients and a lot of, you know, it felt
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: very like, all right, well, this is what you're going
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: to do and these are the facts. I know they
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: can't be super personal to everyone.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: And they're very desensitized.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. And they did an amazing job. The
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: nurses and midwife did the whole thing and everyone was great.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: But that was just very hard because they're like, oh, well,
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: we need to know. So they sort of gave within
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: the week and then we went home and all back
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: and forth, back and forth. And, of course, they say,
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: you know, don't jump on dr google and try and
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: google anything it'll just scare you.
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: But everyone couldn't help it yeah it's like tell me
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: what's going on but um so we did that and
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: then couldn't really find anything on it to be honest
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: so we're like oh fuck that didn't really help could.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Just spell it but uh no i could barely even
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: say it yeah it would be my how do i
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: spell it um yes and i've gone through that thankfully
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: everything was fine but then We just felt a little bit,
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: not defeated, just a bit like Kate still says that
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: she just went numb throughout the whole time because every
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: time we did something, they did something else, they would
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: find something else, and then we'd have to go do
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: another sort of genetics test or something else. And then
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: we did the amniocentesis test, and then they come back
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: and said, all right, now we have to do an
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: MRI on the baby's brain, but we have to wait
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: until 26 weeks because the baby's brain is more developed then.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: And then, of course, when we went back to do that,
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: the MRI was on the He was on the wrong
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: side so I had to wait another week to get
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: him on the other side. And it just kept becoming
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: one thing after another and I'm like a bit of
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: a worrywart at the best of times. Like I'm freaking
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: out just walking.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Down the street.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: You see a man shaking down the street. He's going,
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: should have wore pants today, should have wore pants today, Jesus. So, yeah,
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: so I was just like and I'm just trying to
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: be strong for Kate, you know, just like saying, telling
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: her like everything's going to be okay and like I
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: don't know if everything's going to be okay. Like I was, yeah.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: So that was hard and I think Kate knew. She's
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: stronger than me physically and mentally but I think she
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: knew that I was struggling just as much as her
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: because it was scary.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Well, the outcomes are so extreme.
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: The different scenarios you can end up with. You can
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: have a healthy baby. You can have a baby that
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: is not going to survive. You can have a baby
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: that has disabilities and all you can do is just
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: sit there and wait.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: It's such a weird environment to be in.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: It's just, yeah, it's honestly like– It's so, it was
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: just so hard to carry on with everyday life. And
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: then my wife found it hard as well when we
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: would see people, oh, how are you going? How's the pregnancy?
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: And that would, she would just hate that because we
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: just sort of kept it all in like ourselves. I had,
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: lucky enough, I had my brother and Kate had like
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: one of her mates and we didn't really, beyond that,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: we didn't really tell a lot of people, you know,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: told family and stuff. And then it just become this
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: real hard thing that, yes, we had people around us,
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: but we also didn't really want anyone else to know. Yeah.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: And then it made it even harder when people were like, oh,
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: how are you going? We're just like, fuck, like we
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: are fucked. Like we are struggling. But then we just
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: had to go, yeah, yeah, like it's fine or whatever.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: And then it was just hard.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming that because, you know, 20 weeks, you've still
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: got such a long way to go.
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: How much anxiety?
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know that you guys were doing, you know,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: your due diligence, you were doing the best you can
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: and making decisions leading up.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: And I can't.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Imagine just thinking, okay, well, first step, we've got this–
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Really big.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: Decision to make.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: And then you said every week it was something else
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: and the anxiety, it must have taken some of the
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: joy out of the experience, I guess, like of the
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: pre-empting a baby. Like, oh, this exciting moment in your
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: life and it's sort of been dulled.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it did, especially when we'd had friends similar age,
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: like having kids around the same time and hearing their
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: experiences and stuff. And everyone has their own battles and
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: deals with a bunch of different stuff, you know. And
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: it was like it was extremely hard. probably the hardest
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: thing like we've had to go through as a couple
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: and even individually as well. I can't imagine just what
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: everything that Kate went through as well. But in saying that,
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: as hard as it was, we're just like so incredibly lucky.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: The birth was amazing. That part was like on the day,
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: that was incredible. The midwife was amazing. And then from then,
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: everything's been like, you know, really good. And then I just.
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: Did you know going into birth, at that point were
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: you in the all clear or were there still a
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: lot of unknowns?
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: So we got told like a week and a half
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: before Bobby was born. Basically got a letter saying like
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: you're in the clear, but like every pregnancy there's a
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: chance of there could be, you know, something wrong. And
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: we were like, and didn't even really, that's a week
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: and a half, so didn't really get to enjoy that
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: much really because before you know it was just like,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: So the whole thing was just like, but then we,
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: it's weird. Like I said, I haven't really spoke about
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: it in depth more than say today. So other than
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: speaking to Kate about it, but we've almost just like
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: forgotten about most of it since he's been born because
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: he was like, he's fine.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: You get thrusted into being in the thick of it immediately.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: And we're just like, we're almost a bit like, oh shit,
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: remember that? Remember how fucked that was? And Kate, like
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: I probably remember more than Kate. Yeah. And she just like,
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: she's just gone numb with the whole thing because she's
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: just like, I don't want to even think about that. But.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: I sometimes like, it's weird. I don't know. Like I
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: look at, sometimes I look at him now and like
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: everyone thinks that baby, like that's the cutest fucking baby
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I've ever seen in my life. You know what I mean?
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Like I look at him now and go, oh my God. Like,
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: and I just, sometimes I get like, I just think like,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: like what if, you know what I mean? Like, like,
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: cause I don't know how, I don't know how close
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: we were. I don't know anything about that too much
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: about it, but I don't know how close you were
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: of going down a potential other path of like, yeah.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: It's, it's just, I mean like, Yeah, it's really scary
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: to think. I mean, even now after and you're like,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I wonder what if. And I think like those sort
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: of thoughts, I think they're healthy to have those sort
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: of thoughts because then also you're so grateful that where
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: you've ended up.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: What was it like holding it for the first time then?
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Oh, mate, insane. I was actually meant to tell Kate
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: the sex thing. Because we were having a surprise. I
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: think she knew you guys had sex. Yeah. We're having
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: sex now. I was going to tell her like it
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: was a boring girl and then told the midwife that
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: as well. And he come out and I just went,
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: and just froze for ages. And the midwife was like, well,
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: let daddy tell you. And I went, just froze. And
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: they're like.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: It's a boy.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: And then Kay's like, oh my God, it's a boy.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh yeah, that's right, it's a boy. I
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: was going to say that. What is it, dad? It's
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: a baby.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I was getting there.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: I was just like, so like frozen, just like with joy.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: Like it was amazing, but I was just like stuck. Like,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: oh my God.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: It's a weird feeling.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: What is that?
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: It's a weird feeling like for us.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: It was here you go, dad, here's baby, like after,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: you know, like wrapped up nicely.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people don't talk about
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: that moment that you as dad are sitting there and
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: mum's obviously got to be looked after and you're like,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: holding something like what am i doing holding this yeah.
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: You're like oh my god all of a sudden just
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: like that yeah like am i allowed to do this
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: yeah is there some sort of how-to book like what
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: is going on.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: I know at one stage i was like should i
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: be doing.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: More should i be doing more than just this but
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: there's obviously you're just in this especially for you guys
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: where you're like there was such a so much anxiety
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: leading up and then all of a sudden.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: You're holding bobby and you're like holy shit it's a weird.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: It was it was so weird it was just like
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: I remember even the first– I know you get your
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: little pinky when they have the– is it the colostrum? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes,
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: so we had.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Like– That's the poo, right?
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: No, no.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: What's the– It's the boob.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: Yes. I was close. Yeah. So, wrong end. But, yeah. Close.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: Close to the boob.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: So, yeah.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: It's actually at the front end, guys. Even, like, doing
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: that with the first feed and then, like, getting your
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: finger there to, like, help him, like, swallow it and stuff.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: And then he's just, like, sucking it on my finger, like,
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: swallowing the stuff. I was like, oh, my God, what
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: is going on? This is crazy.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: And do they.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Do they have any follow-up tests now that Bobby's in
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: the world, like after that?
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: Or is that, that's it?
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: No, well, like we were thinking that as well because
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: it all happened very quick on the day. Because we
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: were in there six in the morning. Kate got told
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: to push at 12 o'clock, like midday. Bobby was born
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: at 12.09. And then we went home and had grilled
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: on the couch at six o'clock at night.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: What?
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: All in one day. Just going, thanks for that. See
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: you later. Day four. Oh my God. What a day.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Straight out.
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: Did someone want to tap Kate on the shoulder and go,
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: you can, you can just, you can put your feet
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: up in hospital for a night if you want.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: The midwife was like encouraging it. Cause she's like, I
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: live around the corner. I'm going to come see you
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: guys tomorrow. Anyway, it'd be better. Otherwise. Jake's going to
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: have to go home.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Kate's there at the pick-up at the hospital. We're like,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: give me a chock.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: Hi, the fucker. We're out of here. Get in the car.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: We've got grills. What are you doing? Uber's on its way.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: You wasted time. I did priority delivery.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: I don't want to wait around for this shit.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: I'm going to waste on shit. Let's go. That is
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: so quick.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: So literally 12 hours. You're in and out with it.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: You two became three and you got grilled.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Well, we left the house that morning with two of
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: us and came home with three of us. And a
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: family feed. What the fuck? Yeah. So that all happened
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: very fast. So then even the, I think they had
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: the court of pediatrician in to assess. Because we asked,
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: we're like, oh, do we need to check up anything
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: with the whole issue with like the baby's brain and everything?
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: And they're like, oh, yeah, not really. Because we'd technically
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: been cleared. We're like, oh, surely there's some sort of.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: And they said, oh, yeah, we'll come have a look.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: And they were very quick. They were like, yep, everything's fine.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: Everything's all good.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Sweet.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: So we were just like, yeah, just so like it's
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: happened so far. We were just so lucky. We felt
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: so lucky because it's like everything that we were going
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: through and like expected and thought and your mind races
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: obviously to the worst case. And then just him being
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: like totally fine. We're just like, wow, oh my God,
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: like this is fucking incredible.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: And what's he like as a kid?
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: He's a funny little dude. Is he like you? Yeah.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: Not annoying or anything? Well, he looks like. looks like me,
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: so he's nice. But he actually looks like me in
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: baby photos and now I'm starting to see he looks
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: a little bit more like Kate as he grows up.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: But his head's huge. He's finally grown into his head,
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: which is like kind of cool. But no, he's a
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: chunky little boy. He's funny. He's what, one and a
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: half now. So he's at that age where he's like.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: I'm actually seeing it almost daily. You know when you
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: haven't seen like someone's baby for a while and you're like, oh,
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: they're so big. They're change tapes. I'm seeing little things
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: daily of just like him picking up new words, repeating stuff,
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: working stuff out. And I'm just like, oh my God.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: We were just talking about when they're on the move
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: and they can't understand you.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: So they can't be like, stop moving.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: But then also you're like on the cusp as well
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: of that where it's like you're going to see– Poppy
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: learning new words and stuff like that in real time.
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: When they become more interactive as well.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: It's so cool. Like little Pokemon as they evolve. At
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: the moment, the only communication we have.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: Is, ha, hi, ha, hi.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: With my poppies, my– almost 12 months. But that's like amazing.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: I'm sure people are like, what the.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Fuck are they having a– There was a baby in
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: our mother's group that six months was walking.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I'd get that tested.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. She's not six months. She's two.
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: The kid's name is Gout Gout.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: No, it's– yeah, six months and walking.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: This guy. This guy over here. But, yeah, it's cool.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: Now that you're saying stuff, it's funny as where he's like,
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: He's like, Mama, Dada. And then he says them all
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: on repeat. Now we don't even ask him. He's just
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: in the preamble. He's like, Mama, Dada, Nana, Papa, Ned.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: Our dog's name's Ned. He just says Ned flat out.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: You mentioned before Kate wants three kids. Has that shifted
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: at all now going through the first stage of having
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: a child?
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Now Bobby's one and a half.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Has her idea of that changed or is she still,
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: I want three?
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: No, she's still pretty hard on three. Yeah? And then
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: we actually had a chat about, you know, like pretty
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: soon about like, you know, trying for a second one.
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: When should we come around?
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, whenever you're free, come around. Tell me if I'm
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: doing anything wrong. What's your cup chair like? But yeah, no,
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: she's still pretty hard on three. And I am as well.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: But I think... I would actually, people would probably think,
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: given the stuff we went through in the pregnancy, that
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: would probably scare us off. But I'm just like, it
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: actually just like, well, we're not going to let that
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: stop us, especially after coming through the other end and
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: Bobby being so amazing. So we're like, no, we're definitely
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: a little bit of nerves as far as that side
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: of things goes, because obviously the health factor and everything,
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: hopefully we don't have to go through the same thing.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: But yeah, no, especially now that he's been here, we're
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: not like, oh, shit. We don't want any more. I
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: think we're still, we'll see how the second one goes
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: once the second one comes. And then call me again
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: later for the third one. We'll get you for an
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: update on the second one.
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: I don't know if you found this at all, but
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: when you go through something like that with any medical scare,
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: where you're like imagining an outcome where you're going to
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: lose or potentially lose your child. you kind of tend, well,
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: I did anyway. You're like, I'm going to love this
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: child endlessly nonstop because I'm so grateful that they're here
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: and they're healthy. But the reality is when you've got
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: a newborn baby, it's really fucking hard. You know, you're
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: not going to love every second.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: Did you struggle at all when you're being so grateful
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: that it's ended up as amazing result, Bobby's happy, he's healthy.
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: But then when you have the moments of parenting with
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: a newborn that you're just not going to love and
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: you're like, oh, I, I hate that I'm not loving
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: these moments because a couple of months back I was
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: thinking about potentially losing him. Did you have those internal
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: struggles at all?
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I did. I sort of got that, I guess
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: you'd call it, I don't know, like dad guilt almost,
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: like where I was just like, yeah, so incredibly happy
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: and lucky and it's the best thing ever. And then
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: when times were like hard or times got tough. then
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: i'd reflect on it later and go fuck like think
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: about what you've got here like it's the most amazing
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: thing ever and you're saying i actually was so lucky
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: that it's such a good outcome you know i mean
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: so that hard moment or that hard thing at the
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: time you think it's the worst thing ever but it's
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: just like.
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: When it's two in the morning and you're trying to
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: get it back to sleep like no one's.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah and then even like relationship stuff was as well
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: like me and kate are like you know probably stronger
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: for going through the like that shit period and then
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: even after like Everyone's sleep deprived, like everyone's annoyed. So
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: those little tiny arguments that you might have, the little
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: things that shit you, like probably amplified by five or 10.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: But yeah, there were times where it was real hard.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: And then I think what helped me, especially in that
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: first week, I heard everyone of my friends or family
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: members that did have kids say, I heard the classic, oh,
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: you just wait. You just wait.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Wait for what?
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: I'm not telling you. I was like, what's going on?
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: I'm already anxious. I'm freaking out. I've been through enough already.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: So I was like, I think we built that up
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: and almost didn't have time to think about that too
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: much with all the stuff and the pregnancy going on.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: But as it got closer to, I built up like
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: that first week. I just had this weird thought, which
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: sounds a little bit stupid. I'm like, just get through
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: the first week. We'll see how that goes.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: I would say you're pretty right there.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, week by week.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I built that first week up so much.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: And he fucking slept for like 18 hours for the
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: first week every day. And I was like, this is
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: a breeze. And then what? The second week I was like, oh.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: When you think you've got to dial, and then all
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: of a sudden the next week they're like, don't sleep.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're just real hard. I mean, Kate does an
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: amazing job. She's fucking grouse. Yeah, she's amazing. The strongest,
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: like I said, physically and mentally, but she does an
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: amazing job with Bobby, just like a natural, you know,
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: which certainly does help. And I was lucky I had that,
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: I guess, connection straight away with him. A couple of
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: my mates actually struggled early on, They found it hard
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: with like not getting like emotion out of them or
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: laughed at all that sort of stuff. And they're like, oh,
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: they felt weird, like sort of distant for like the
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: first six months or so, which I didn't have that.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: I had it like straight away, which I was so
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: lucky for. I was like, I fucking love this.
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: It's weird, isn't it, when you get a baby that
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: laughs and a baby that doesn't.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: And when the baby's not laughing, you're like.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: Am I not funny?
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: Well, trust me, I'm used to no laughs in my
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: actual life. So I was prepared for that. I built
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: that up over the years.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: When Bobby was born. What sort of time did you
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: take off?
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: So I had, I think it was like three weeks,
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: three weeks off.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: And then even going back, like I was sort of
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: like wasn't back completely.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: And then it was just sort of like sort of half,
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: going back to work sort of like half the amount
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: after that three weeks, but three weeks fully off, fully
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: at home and there, which was, yeah, which was run real.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people like, Those couple
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: of weeks early on you were saying you got that
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: bond immediately. But I remember with Oscar, yes, he was difficult,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: but it really took me a long time to actually
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: find that bond with him.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: So I can imagine.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Like finding it early doors, it must be such a
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: benefit compared to like having to then play catch up.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Because you've got to go back to work and all
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: sorts of stuff.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. No, I was pretty lucky that I had that.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: It's really good.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: I just find it hard, especially when you talk about
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: like going back to work, I found it real hard
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: to like juggle everything and still sort of do. I've
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: sort of half worked it out now, but not like completely,
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: but still find it hard to like, because I am
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: a bit of a stress head and worry a bit.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, am I doing enough as far as providing?
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Am I being a dad, but I've got to be
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: a husband as well or being a mate. And I
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: find I used to get in my own head about
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: doing one thing and I felt like I was sacrificing
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: another instead of just enjoying the thing in front of you,
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: that one thing, whether it be like a dad or
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: a husband or a mate or whatever. Back in my mind,
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking like I'm worried about the next step. I'm
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: worried about the next work decision or this. And it's
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: just like I did find that really hard early on,
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: juggling those three or the four things and constantly worrying,
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: am I doing enough? Am I doing this right? Am
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: I doing this? What about this? What about this? What
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: about this? Instead of just focus on the one thing.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: It's really hard to be in the moment. Like I
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: would do the same thing while I'm like, instead of
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: just being there, you're like, what's next?
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Or what am I not doing over here?
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: And finding like even like for me now with seven
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: and a five-year-old, Every week I feel like that balance
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: changes so much. So when you have your first kid,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: it's like if you put all your eggs in that
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: one basket, am I neglecting now my– It is tricky.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: It is tricky. You sort of– I'll do it anyway.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: I just do my own head in, just constantly going
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: around in circles. But then it's a bit of a cliche,
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: but it's like it does go quick.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: It goes very quick.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Bobby's one and a half now and I was like, fuck.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: Not that I've– I think I've managed pretty well to
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: sort of be be there for as much as I
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: can and experiencing everything within, which is great. But yeah,
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: if you're not, if you're not there, like it goes
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: very quick.
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: When you're having those moments where you're struggling and you're
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: doubting if you're doing enough in all the different areas
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: of your.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Life, how would you deal with that?
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: Would you just internalize those thoughts until they faded or
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: did you have a coping mechanism?
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: No, like I'm pretty open like with Kate about it,
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: my wife. We speak about everything, Kate and my brother.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: I tell my brother probably way too much. So he
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: knows everything about me. He can probably answer this one
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: for me actually. Give him a call. Actually, I've got
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: him on the phone. But being open about it and
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: talking about it. Like, for example, if my mate come
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: to me with the same issue, I would know all
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: the right things to say.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: But then I wouldn't do it for myself. So that
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: I'd laugh at myself and go, what the fuck's wrong
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: with that? Like. You know how to fix this. You
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: know what to do. But I wouldn't do it. It's
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: almost like.
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: So when you were thinking about you as a dad,
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: what were the moments or what were the thoughts that
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: you were really struggling with if you were questioning whether
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: you were doing enough?
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: Just like, you know, I might have a day out
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: like on our own, like give mum a break and
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: we'll go have a day out on our own. And
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: this is very early on and we'll just go out
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: or like whatever, we'll go to the park or just
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: a day out anywhere. And then I just think like, Sometimes,
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: like now, I really enjoy those moments. They're gross. But
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: I would always think like, oh, am I doing this right?
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Am I doing this right? Am I not doing enough?
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: And then I'd be like, oh. And then we'd go
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: spend that day out as a family and go do this.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh, shit, I've got work to think about.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: I've got work that I like. And I'm thinking about, oh,
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: could I be doing this? I could be doing that.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: And I just found it hard to go, hey, fuck
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: work for a second. Just relax. Or like, don't worry
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: about that for a second. And then I spoke to
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: Kate about this as well. And she was the same.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: And then we said, even ourselves, like, we're separate to work.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: we're like, we need to do something for ourselves, you know,
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: me and her because we almost forgot what it was
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: like to be just us because you've got this kid
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: that's just like, yeah, so we're like, we need to
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: try and remember to do something for ourselves as well
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: because we didn't get, we haven't got like, early on,
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: we didn't get a heap amount of help. It's not
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: that my parents didn't want it or Kate's parents didn't
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: want it, it's just that Kate was, you know, pretty
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: adamant on doing a lot of it on her own.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: So I was like, mate, there's nothing wrong with putting
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: your hand up for help and we can go enjoy
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: a night out or a day out and yeah.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it becomes this big, balancing and juggling act really
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: where it's like i know you you as a unit
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: you want to try and do all those things yourself
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: without having to go hey i need some help when
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: realistically they say it takes.
• 40:28
  Speaker 8: A village for a reason right but also i don't
• 40:31
  Speaker 8: know if you guys are the same but when it's
• 40:33
  Speaker 8: been a couple of weeks and laura and i haven't
• 40:34
  Speaker 8: had sex i'm like The relationship's falling apart.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: Are we just friends?
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: Are we? Do we even love each other?
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: You hate me? Three men sitting around complaining about sex.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: Laura's like, what.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Are you talking about? What's wrong with you? And I'm like,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Nobody loves me in this house.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: Are we getting a divorce? Come here. Come on.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: What was I worried about?
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: Oh, gee, life's pretty good. Life's pretty good. Oh, my God.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: I feel amazing. Get a little pep in your stem.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: I know when Matt's had sex.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: He fucking skips through the hallway down here.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: He's like, high five. I did it.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: I come in with flowers.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: Am I doing enough? You've got a flower. I'm a
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: great dad. Everything's great. Life's great.
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: But I think it's one of the easiest parts of
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: your life to neglect because you take it.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: For granted, right?
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: I would never take it for granted.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: For anyone wondering, Ash is talking to his penis right now.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: I clean you meticulously for a reason.
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: But you know, you work, you're like, if I don't
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: give attention to work, like you.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Can't not, right?
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: Otherwise you lose your job, you don't make money. And
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: then it's easy to then prioritize your kid because you're like, fuck,
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: time is running out. And before I know it, he's
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: going to grow up and he's going to be a toddler.
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: And so I've got to like give that energy. And
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: sometimes the last thing you give energy to is your relationship.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. No, that's right. And then that's actually bang on.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: Like I would think that those two things, like fuck
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: one or the other. It's like, hold on, forgetting this.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: And then you go even maybe one or two outside
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: of that, your best man or your mum and dad
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: you haven't spoken to in a while. And you go, fuck,
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: I've got those people in my life as well.
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: So it's hard to– it'd be hard for anyone, but
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: I think I like a sip of fire. Like I
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: worry a little bit about just about everything. But I
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: think it's just like, like I said, I know the
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: right things to do. I know the right things to do.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: There's no like perfect way to do it, especially as
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: you guys would know with like parenting. If there was–
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: We'd all just be doing the exact same thing. There
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: would be no need for this podcast. Here's your baby
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: and here's the book and go, good luck.
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: Don't tell everyone that we don't need for this podcast.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah. But I don't know. I think what's just helping
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: me lately is just sort of being, I don't know,
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: just like open about everything. Like to my brother or
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: Kate or even just like mates and other people have
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: different styles and different things but like not like in
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: a judgmental way. People just go, we try this, we
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: try this and just being open about everything kind of helps.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I found that like early days of parenting it
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: was like, whose baby slept, whose baby didn't sleep. But
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: now I feel like the friend groups that we have
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: is like, have you tried this?
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: You should try doing this this way.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Or like, it's become a lot less braggy about your
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: kids sleeping through and much more like, oh wait, your
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: kid's not eating.
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: Have you tried this? Yeah, yeah. Have you not noticed?
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you've noticed.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, brag away.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: Matt's just like, well, my kids are both athletes. It's
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: almost reassuring in a way when you hear like, oh, like,
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: my kid didn't get to sleep. Oh, you guys too? Oh,
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: your kid didn't get to sleep?
• 43:29
  Speaker 8: Same.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: We're not the only ones that are fucking everything up.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: I know, I know.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, it's nice to hear when people are
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: struggling too.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: It's a nice way to put it, sort of.
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: When you talk about your relationship, I did wonder, I
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: did think to myself when I watched some of your
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: videos that I'm like, are these helping the situation?
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, Kate does a great job by getting involved
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: in a lot of the videos. Oh, I have. Yeah,
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: she's funnier than me.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: By choice or.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: Well, now in the early days, like seven years ago
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: or something, I think a few videos was like me
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: genuinely annoying the shit out of it.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Can you talk us through the soup video?
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's a good one. Oh, it's an old one.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: I just... I don't even know how that started.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: For those listening, Chuck does a video where he's at
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: the drive-thru with Kate, his wife, and is it asking
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: if they've got any soup?
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Can I just get a medium strong?
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: Do you have big buckets of soup?
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: Sorry, can I just get a medium strong?
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: How about a bucket of soup?
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Sorry?
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's all right. Can I just get? Do you
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: have any soup? Stop, Jake. I'm so sorry.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: And can I just get.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: Just a big bucket of soup would be nice.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: Jake, I'm so sorry.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Jake, can you actually stop? It's embarrassing.
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: She keeps smacking me, just going, shut up. And she's like,
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: I'm so sorry.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Any drive-through or one particular?
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: I can't remember what drive-through it was. I think it
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: might have been Outlook. Ringwood one day, McDonald's, Ringwood. Shout
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: out McDonald's, Ringwood. They didn't have any fucking soup. Actually,
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: you guys suck.
• 45:02
  Speaker 8: Get some soup on the menu.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: You should have asked for some mix soup. Oh, that's
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: my girl. But yeah, so she plays along with it well,
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: I think, and it's funny because I'll annoy the shit
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: out of her with these videos and stuff and then
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: people might see us out and something and go like,
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: Kate sort of gets a little bit annoyed when people go, oh,
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: how do you put up with him? And she's like, well, fuck,
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: like he's not like that 24-7. If he was, I
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: would have to kick him out. Like people see a
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: one-minute video of us and just label that, oh, well,
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: he's a prick and she swears a lot. And it's
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: just like, well, that's not us.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: People always say to me, do you hate your wife?
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: That's what they say to me.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: No, really.
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: And I just go, what gave it away?
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, I don't really care. I used
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: to care so much about what people thought of me.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: But now I'm like, whatever. They can think that. I
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: know that my wife loves me. I hope. Yeah.
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: You're like, which camera do I look at?
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: I was like, you love me? Which camera do I
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: look at? Love me. Love me.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: It's not for the faint hearted old content creating. I
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: think people don't give us enough credit.
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: Let's cut this bit.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: I wonder what everyone's doing at their day jobs. She
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: does one. Fellas, am I right? Hey fellas, am I right?
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: What about us? What about us? You know what I mean?
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: Look, it's the first time meeting you in person and
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: I was a little bit reluctant at first because, you know,
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: what I've seen of you is footage that I would
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: rather forget.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: Nice. I like that. I like that.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's ever given you such a good compliment.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: That's a good compliment. I'll take that.
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: I was thinking back to a time when I saw
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: a video of the two of you on holidays together.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: You were in... In LA, in a bar.
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: We were working.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, man, Ash.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: We were working.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: That was a very prestigious.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Busy work trip.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, it was a business trip.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: And this is said video.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: Do I have to press play?
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: You can hold it if you like.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
• 47:04
  Speaker 8: Good, good.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: Oh! Yeah. So good. I don't really know what to
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: say to that. That was exactly nine months ago and
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: I've just given birth. Yeah, it's kind of like turning
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: me on in a way. Like there's nothing wrong with that.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: You're a good kisser.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: You're a really good kisser.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Can you just set the scene?
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: We can reenact it if you want.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: We went to LA to shoot some commercials with Shaquille O'Neal.
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: A couple of lucky fellas.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: Shaq. I call him Shaquille.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: As we refer to it as we refer to you
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: you may call him shaq.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Diesel diesel we call him diesel uh which was an
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: amazing experience but this was the first night that i
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: think we'd all flown in no one had really slept
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: we all hit the cans went to a.
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: Karaoke bar so choc set the scene you're at a
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: karaoke bar.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah so kick it four boys are up there and
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: they're really really good at karaoke like Really good.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: Unbelievable.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: And then Ash says to me, he goes, are we
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: getting up there? I go, yeah, let's do it. And
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: I wanted to sing Missy Higgins' Scar because I know
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: every word and it's a terrific song and everybody loves that.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: I can see you love it as well.
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: I'm hearing you over there humming it. It's great. So
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: I was like, sweet. Ash goes, no, not singing that.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: He goes, we're singing. What's that song?
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Shallow by Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm like, oh, I don't know the words. And
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: he goes, oh, I know every word. Follow me. We
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: get up there. The thing starts playing, the little teleprompter.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: And he doesn't know any of that. And then we're
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: up there just carrying on. I'm like, we're losing him.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: We're losing him. We've got to do something. And he's like, what?
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: It's tough, isn't it?
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah. One of the toughest gigs of my life. And
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: then I'm like, we've got to do something. And he goes, what?
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: I'm like. kiss me. And then we kiss each other
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: and then the crowd goes wild and then we're.
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: Best on ground.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: When in doubt, just start kissing.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: It was that full open mouth though as well. All right,
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: all right. Yeah, you were really good at it. I
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: enjoyed it a lot, but that's fine. It was the
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: talk of the town.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: And then Kate's like, how's your trip going?
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like, good. Everything's all good. We actually
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: hid it from our wives for a while.
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: We hid it from our wives for a while.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: And then eventually it was like, I think you put
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: it up on socials and it was just like, which
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't have.
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: The memories.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: But, yeah, that was fun. That was a good little boys' trip.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: I bet it was. Guys on school camp.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: I bet you had a lot of fun.
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. it was good.
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: I'm here holding down the floor of the podcast studio
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: by myself wondering when Ash is going to return.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: I know. It was like six. And he's out here
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: kissing other boys. Literally, I was out there cheating on you.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: We're six content creators caught in one change room.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: It was a nightmare.
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: It's not like fart.
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: Hey, when Bobby is all grown up and he's flown
• 49:40
  Speaker 6: the nest, he's no longer living at home, what is
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: the one thing you want him to remember about the
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: house he grew up in?
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: Oh, good question. I think it's just like that he's
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: just always loved. We're trying to just create like a fun,
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: wholesome household. And just like not only just always loved,
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: just to always feel comfortable to speak up and tell
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: us how he feels. I think I wasn't always like that,
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: especially growing up. Now I'm an open book, I'll tell
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: you anything. Really? Yeah, I think that's one thing. I
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: think this is a place, this is a safe place,
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: happy place and comfortable to tell us anything, you know,
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: because I'd rather him do that than keep it all inside.
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: For sure. I love that.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's probably it.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Chuck, it's been a pleasure.
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: No, thank you. Thank you, Chocolate Bear. Chocolate Bear, nice. Hey,
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: I hear what you're saying. I like it. No, thanks
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: for having me, lads. Hopefully that was well. I really
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: enjoyed it.
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: We actually didn't record any of that.
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: Oh, nice.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no.
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: Thank you, mate, for coming in.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: It's been a while and I'm glad that it worked out.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: No, I loved it. Finally chewed your ear off.
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: Good luck with the baby number two and number three
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: when that happens.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, that'll happen. I'll keep you posted once that happens.
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: Please.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: I want to watch.
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: Watch them grow up or watch them... Yeah, yeah, okay.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: Thoughts on it.
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: No, I want to watch them from conception.
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: Okay, done.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to help you here, bro.
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: No, I'll schedule it and I'll keep you posted.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: I've seen Poppy grow up from womb to one.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: All right. From womb to one. Okay, okay. Fucking ears
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: getting hot in here.
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: That goes from womb to one.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. Don't ever say that again.
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: All right, now get out.
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: Okay, see you later.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Matt, it is nice to see the other side of
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: what we call the Aussie larrikin.
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I only know Choc as, I mean,
• 51:25
  Speaker 6: I mean this in no disrespect to Choc, but as
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: him being like.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: Hey, babe, hey. Yeah, yeah.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: That's the version that I know.
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: And so to have him sit in front of us
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: and talk about such a serious topic is so different
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: to what I know of the guy, but seeing him
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  Speaker 6: speak so vulnerably, these are conversations that I think are
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  Speaker 6: so important because there is so much hurt, so much
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  Speaker 6: pain that people hold onto that being able to talk
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  Speaker 6: about it openly will.
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  Speaker 2: Benefit so many listeners.
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  Speaker 6: But also I know for Chuck, it's such a relief
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  Speaker 6: to be able to talk about it so freely.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Chuck, for coming in and being so vulnerable
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  Speaker 1: because it isn't easy. And behind the laughs, yeah, people
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: are going through some stuff. So if you've enjoyed this episode,
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  Speaker 4: Subscribe.
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  Speaker 3: A couple of words, five stars would be lovely.
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  Speaker 5: Or you can join us on social media.
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  Speaker 1: Where, Matt?
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  Speaker 2: Two doting dads. There is a TikTok. There is an Instagram.
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  Speaker 6: There is also a YouTube and a YouTube shorts. And last,
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: but definitely not least, actually it is the least, there
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  Speaker 6: is a Facebook group.
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  Speaker 4: It's the most.
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  Speaker 2: It's of the social media.
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  Speaker 4: It's the least amount of people doing the most amount
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  Speaker 4: of work.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you. Facebook group, 5,000. Shout out to those members
• 52:36
  Speaker 6: because we love them.
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  Speaker 4: We do.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Let's be honest. And we'll see you guys on Wednesday.
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: See you. Bye.
• 52:52
  Speaker 6: Two Doting Dads podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of country
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: throughout Australia and their connections to land, sea and community.
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  Speaker 1: We pay our respects to their elders past and present
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  Speaker 1: and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait
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  Speaker 1: Islander peoples today.
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  Speaker 3: This episode was recorded on Gadigal land.