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Sharri | 3 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why.
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Speaker 2: On Sky News Venus and Sharry Good Evening tonight, Albanezi
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Speaker 2: appears to have misled the Parliament over the issue of
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Speaker 2: ISIS brides. I can reveal a senior police official has
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Speaker 2: gone on the record to confirm the families of foreign
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Speaker 2: fighters will be returning to Australia. That exclusive injust a moment.
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Speaker 2: Also on the show, Daniel Andrews earns his moniker Dictator
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Speaker 2: Dan as he mingles with the world's worst despots. Plus
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Speaker 2: a military general takes us through the new weapons China
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Speaker 2: showed off today in its extravagant display, and the sad
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Speaker 2: spectacle of cold Play's Chris Martin trying to tell Israelis
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Speaker 2: that they're still human. That's all coming up, but first
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Speaker 2: tonight we can exclusively reveal that top police commissioners have
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Speaker 2: gone on the record to confer the firm ISIS brides
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Speaker 2: are set to arrive in Australia acting New South Wales
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Speaker 2: Police Commissioner Peter Thurtell and Deputy Commissioner Dave Hudson have
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Speaker 2: confirmed that the New South Wales Police are in negotiations
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Speaker 2: with the Commonwealth to repatriate the ISIS brides and their families.
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Speaker 2: This means the Prime Minister appears to have today misled
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Speaker 2: the Parliament over this highly controversial issue. My colleague Lea
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Speaker 2: Mendes reported on the front page of The Australian that
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Speaker 2: Australian ISIS brides stranded in northern Syria are set to
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Speaker 2: be returned home before Christmas in a top secret operation
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Speaker 2: which is in the final stages of being greenlit, and
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Speaker 2: liam reported that federal government agencies are aware of possible
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Speaker 2: persons of interest in that group. Now this is a
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Speaker 2: big story, then needs to be transparency around it. Why
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Speaker 2: is the Albaneze government providing past spots and travel documentation
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Speaker 2: to these ISIS families? What are the national security concerns?
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Speaker 2: Are any of them believed to be radicalized? Will there
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Speaker 2: be a rehabilitation program? What will all of this cost
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Speaker 2: the taxpayer? But instead of answers to these and more questions,
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Speaker 2: there's been total secrecy and worse, the Prime Minister stood
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Speaker 2: up in question time today and denied the report.
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Speaker 3: I refer to reports in The Australian that government officials
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Speaker 3: are helping to bring ISIS terrorist brides to Australia. What
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Speaker 3: actions has your government taken to guarantee the safety of Australians.
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Speaker 3: If these people return.
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Speaker 4: Those reports are not accurate.
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Speaker 2: Those reports are not accurate, Albanezi said, so to be clear,
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Speaker 2: he did deny Leah Mende's report in The Australian Well.
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Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty then pushed for more tale.
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Speaker 5: He's the Prime Minister aware of any info that suggests
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Speaker 5: ISIS brides are seeking to return to Australia and is
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Speaker 5: your government making preparations to receive them?
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Speaker 6: Call to the Prime Minister?
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Speaker 4: Are a fedimer previous Santa.
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Speaker 2: Now this is the same man who promised to do
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Speaker 2: politics differently, with more transparency and accountability. Now Albanezi might
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Speaker 2: have got away with denying this story, but I can
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Speaker 2: reveal that during a four hour Police estimate session today,
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Speaker 2: the New South Wales Deputy Police Commissioner Dave Hudson, who
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Speaker 2: is the state's veteran counter terrorism chief, confirmed he'd been
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Speaker 2: advised about the arrival of these ISIS brides.
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Speaker 7: Commissioner, we've heard most recently that the ISIS brides are
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Speaker 7: now being smuggled back into Australia by the federal government.
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Speaker 7: Those of the New South Wales Police have a in
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Speaker 7: this repatriation at all.
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Speaker 4: I will hand over without deferring the question, I will
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Speaker 4: hand over mister Hudson's because he has had some communications
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Speaker 4: in relation to that.
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Speaker 8: That's okay. We are still working through that issue with
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Speaker 8: the Commonwealth. The roles have yet to be finalized between
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Speaker 8: what New South Wales Government, including the New South Wales
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Speaker 8: Police Force and the Commonwealth's roles will be. No doubt
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Speaker 8: we will have a role, as will broader New South
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Speaker 8: Wales government if we have done with previous returning brides
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Speaker 8: of foreign fighters and children of such.
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Speaker 2: So first you saw there the Acting Police Commissioner in
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Speaker 2: New South Wales confirming that Dave Hudson had been having
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Speaker 2: those discussions with the Commonwealth, and then Hudson confirmed they
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Speaker 2: were still working out what role New South Wales Police
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Speaker 2: would play and what role the AFP would play, so
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Speaker 2: confirming they are currently working through the issue you a
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Speaker 2: repatriation of these Isis brides with the Commonwealth. He was
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Speaker 2: then asked another question. He was asked for more detail
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Speaker 2: about what role the New South Wales Police might play
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Speaker 2: in repatriating these terrorist families.
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Speaker 8: As I said, the roles of each agency of you
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Speaker 8: to be determined. If the AFP don't play a significant
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Speaker 8: role as they have previously, we will We'll have to
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Speaker 8: work that out. Which what's some meetings next week in
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Speaker 8: Canberra aligned with a story New Zealand Canterterrorism Committee meeting
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Speaker 8: where I'll try and explore that further.
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Speaker 2: That is the Deputy Police Commissioner in New South Wales
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Speaker 2: confirming he's having meetings in Canberra next week about the
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Speaker 2: very issue of Isis brides and he's having those meetings
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Speaker 2: with the AFP. So let's return to what the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister said in parliament today.
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Speaker 4: Those reports are not accurate.
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Speaker 2: Well, it appears that Alberzi may have misled the parliament today.
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Speaker 2: Given Dave Hudson has publicly confirmed this story, Albanzi should
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Speaker 2: apologize unreservedly tomorrow, and more importantly, he needs to be
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Speaker 2: open and honest with Australians. He needs to explain why
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Speaker 2: his government has issued travel documents to the families of
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Speaker 2: terrorists yet refused visas for Israeli politicians and advocates. Now,
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Speaker 2: as I said earlier, the Australian reports that one of
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Speaker 2: the group is a person of interest, So the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister also needs to explain what does this mean, what
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Speaker 2: are the concerns around this individual? He needs to explain
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Speaker 2: what security arrangements are in place and what vetting has
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Speaker 2: been done to ensure these ISIS families do not pose
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Speaker 2: a national security risk to our country. Albanzi seems to
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Speaker 2: forget that he's the Prime minister. He needs to be
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Speaker 2: upfront about NASH security matters are not hide behind weak denials.
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Speaker 2: I'll come back to that matter a bit later with Dantean,
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Speaker 2: But now let's turn to the disgraceful spectacle a former
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Speaker 2: Labor premier Daniel Andrews attending the Communist Party military parade.
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Speaker 2: It was a show of extravagant military strength designed to
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Speaker 2: intimidate the West. Held it to Jannaman Square where the
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Speaker 2: horrific massacre of students took place in nineteen eighty nine. Now,
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Speaker 2: the senior labor figure joining this anti Western alliance, attended
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Speaker 2: by the likes of the Iranian, Russian and North Korean presidents,
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Speaker 2: was sickening to watch. A hand welcome to China, No wealth, Ruda.
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Speaker 3: Did you.
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Speaker 2: Andrews, as you would have seen by now, even posed
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Speaker 2: for a class photograph alongside Putin and Kim Jong un.
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Speaker 2: This parade that we saw today, at its heart is
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Speaker 2: a display of Communist Party power and military might against
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Speaker 2: the United States and its Western allies. Like Australia President.
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Speaker 2: She emerged through the roof of a car, expressionless as
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Speaker 2: he drove past one thousands and thousands of soldiers. The
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Speaker 2: troops later marching known as goose stepping in faultless unison.
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Speaker 2: She occasionally lifted his hand in a sword of wave.
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Speaker 2: The parade seemed to stretch on for kilometers. She drove
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Speaker 2: past a huge display of new weaponry. And I'm going
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Speaker 2: to talk in detail about some of this weaponry because
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Speaker 2: this was the point of the parade to show the
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Speaker 2: world the weapons that China's developed now. This includes truck
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Speaker 2: long range missile launchers, long range anti ship missile launchers
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Speaker 2: and air defense missile launchers and laser weapons, counter drone systems,
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Speaker 2: laser and hard kill systems, new large uncrude underwater vessels,
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Speaker 2: uncrude underwater vessels, and ship missiles JL three submarine launched
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Speaker 2: intercontinental ballistic missiles that could be nuclear armed. Also anti
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Speaker 2: ship missiles DF five intercontinental ballistic missiles again nuclear armed.
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Speaker 2: Amphibious armored vehicles that are I'm told good for invading
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Speaker 2: island countries. Also J twenty stealth fighter aircraft. These are
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Speaker 2: weapons that China would use against Taiwan and any nations
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Speaker 2: that come to its defense, and that of course includes
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Speaker 2: potentially Australia and America. Australia should not be associated with
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Speaker 2: such an event, and certainly not a figure like the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister's best friend Daniel Andrews should not have attended.
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Speaker 2: This is meant to be a display that would intimidate
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Speaker 2: and terrify the West. Shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty put
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Speaker 2: it sorry. Shadow Home Affairs Minister Andrew Hasty put it
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Speaker 2: perfectly when he said this.
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Speaker 5: When you know that Vladimir Putin, when you know that
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Speaker 5: Kim Jong is going, this is a parade for dictators.
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Speaker 5: It's a celebration of the Chinese Communist Party. And I
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Speaker 5: think it's very strange that we have two former Australian
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Speaker 5: political leaders attending in a private capacity, and I look
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Speaker 5: forward to seeing them clap like seals as the missiles
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Speaker 5: roll by on the parade.
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Speaker 2: Now, Donald Trump called the parade out with a bit
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Speaker 2: of a lighter touch when he said this, please give
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Speaker 2: my warmest regards to Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong un
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Speaker 2: as you conspire against the Unided States of America, But
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Speaker 2: as expected, weak Albanezi refused to criticize Daniel Andrew's presence
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Speaker 2: there today.
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Speaker 9: What do you think of Dan Andrews joining a line
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Speaker 9: of people greeting President She at this parade, which includes
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Speaker 9: Vladimir Putin and Kim John.
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Speaker 4: Well, do you like that Dan Caravan is not meeting them?
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Speaker 4: As I said the last time around ten years ago,
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Speaker 4: Minister Ronaldson was the government's representative.
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Speaker 2: Now once again Andrew Clanel was the only press gallery
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Speaker 2: journalist asking the tough questions. And I'm going to come
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Speaker 2: back to the gallery in a moment. But it says
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Speaker 2: a lot when Anastasia Palichet is stronger than alban Easy
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Speaker 2: and she argued correctly that Dan Andrew's presence sends mixed
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Speaker 2: diplomatic signals.
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Speaker 10: There's a difference between trade and going along to a
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Speaker 10: military parade. So if it was me, it'd be a
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Speaker 10: definitely I would not be attending that. It just is
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Speaker 10: the next level. They've been former premiers, They've been held
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Speaker 10: very distinguished careers. This I think just sends mixed messages.
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Speaker 2: And just to show the disconnect between common sense and
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Speaker 2: the Canbra Press Gallery, there were two questions to the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister about why a more senior Australian wasn't attending,
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Speaker 2: and then another journalist tried to blame Trump.
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Speaker 11: A lot of people are watching the leaders of China,
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Speaker 11: of India, North Korea, Russia together and wondering about this
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Speaker 11: apparent strategic shift in power in the world and what
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Speaker 11: it means for countries like Australia. Is this a product
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Speaker 11: of what Donald Trump has done his approach to global affairs?
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Speaker 2: Now, it was the other two questions that asked Albanesi,
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Speaker 2: why a more senior diplomat wasn't attending, Why a minister
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Speaker 2: wasn't attending. Those are the questions that were truly appalling,
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Speaker 2: and with this sort of press gallery, it's especially important
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Speaker 2: to have a strong opposition. Thankfully, the coalition did ask
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Speaker 2: tough questions in Parliament today, but again Albanesi refused to
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Speaker 2: criticize Andrews all the parade itself.
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Speaker 9: Well, the Prime Minister condemn his close personal friend Daniel
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Speaker 9: Andrews attending the Chinese Communist Party military parade alongside the
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Speaker 9: presidents of Russia, North Korea and Iran.
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Speaker 4: I'm responsible for the Australian government. The Australian government did
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Speaker 4: have a representative there, and the Australian government did have
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Speaker 4: a representative ten years ago.
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Speaker 2: Of course, ten years ago, the relationship with China was
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Speaker 2: very different, and that's because China itself acted differently. It
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Speaker 2: has become increasedly aggressive in recent years, including directly targeting
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Speaker 2: Australian defense personnel in several instances. And you look now
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Speaker 2: at the massive power of Chinese military that was on
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Speaker 2: full display today, the extent of it, the extravagance, and
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Speaker 2: you compare it to Australia's lack of investment in defense.
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Speaker 2: Now this should be a wake up call for Albanezi.
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Speaker 2: Our enemies, and I mean our actual enemies, not Israel,
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Speaker 2: who he treats as his enemy, but our actual enemies,
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Speaker 2: like China, are heavily investing in weapons, and we saw
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Speaker 2: probably for the first time, the extent of China's military
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Speaker 2: modernization today. I also want to talk about what unfolded
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Speaker 2: at the Coldplay concert at London's Wembley Stadium. Lead singer
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Speaker 2: Chris Martin invited two women up on stage and they
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Speaker 2: were clearly nervous and excited to be there.
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Speaker 12: All right, Okay, first of all, I'd likely to wave
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Speaker 12: to your new fan base.
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Speaker 2: Chris Martin then asked them, where.
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Speaker 12: Where did you come from today? From Israel?
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Speaker 4: Okay, well, okay.
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Speaker 12: Well listen, I'm gonna say this. I'm very grateful that
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Speaker 12: you're here as humans. I'm treating you as I call
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Speaker 12: Cuba's on Earth, regardless of where you comfortable.
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Speaker 6: Don't perform it.
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Speaker 2: So he asked them where they were from. They said Israel,
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Speaker 2: and he went, whoa, whoa. Perhaps Chris Martin was well intentioned,
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Speaker 2: and perhaps we should give him the benefit of the
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Speaker 2: doubt on that front, because it did seem like he
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Speaker 2: was trying to be kind. But even if he was
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Speaker 2: well intentioned, his words impacted not just those two women,
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Speaker 2: but all Israelis and all Jews. Saying that he would
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Speaker 2: treat Israelis as equal humans. Why does he need to
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Speaker 2: say that, of course Israelis are equal humans. Of course
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Speaker 2: Jews are equal humans. Why did he say that he
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Speaker 2: will still treat these two women as humans even though
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Speaker 2: they're from Israel. If he did want to treat those
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Speaker 2: girls as humans, he wouldn't have made an issue of
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Speaker 2: where they were from. I found it a painful moment
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Speaker 2: to watch, and you'd have to say it would have
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Speaker 2: made Israeli's feel devalued. He made the girls feel uncomfortable,
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Speaker 2: as if their Israeli nationality was something that needed to
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Speaker 2: be excused or apologized for. And presumably those women are
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Speaker 2: proud to call Israel home and they don't need a
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Speaker 2: global superstar condescendingly saying that he's still going to treat
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Speaker 2: them as humans even though they come from Israel. But
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Speaker 2: then it got even worse.
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Speaker 12: Although it's controversial, maybe else who wanted people in the
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Speaker 12: audience empowers them it because.
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Speaker 2: Why does he need to do that. He can't even
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Speaker 2: have two Israelis sitting next to him without calling out
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Speaker 2: the Palestinians in the audience. I find it unbelievable. And
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Speaker 2: there has been backlash to his comments. They've been dubbed
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Speaker 2: dehumanizing and humiliating. And here's Hollywood actor Nate Buzz calling
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Speaker 2: it out.
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Speaker 13: Can you understand how insulting that is? Two Israelis come
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Speaker 13: on stage to enjoy your music, and first of all,
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Speaker 13: you're like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, here's a problem. It
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Speaker 13: just goes to show how these cowardly artists have deeply
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Speaker 13: brought in to the pro hamas pro Palestinian lie as
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Speaker 13: if it's Israeli's fault that Hamas launched a terrorist attack
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Speaker 13: on October seventh in twenty twenty three, and it's their
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Speaker 13: fault that Hammas still holds forty eight Israeli's hostages in
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Speaker 13: Gaza six hundred and ninety seven days. But you know what,
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Speaker 13: Chris Martin, you're going to treat these two Israeli girls
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Speaker 13: like humans by also going off and acknowledging the Palestinians
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Speaker 13: in the crowd. I guarantee if the two girls who
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Speaker 13: came up on stage to watch you play the piano
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Speaker 13: were Palestinians, you wouldn't go out of your way to
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Speaker 13: acknowledge the Israelis in the crowd. You wouldn't say, even
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Speaker 13: though you're Palestinian, I'm gonna treat you like a human.
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Speaker 2: Now, if this were an isolated incident, you could just
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Speaker 2: shrug it off. But this is where we're out in
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. There's unprecedented hostility, racism, and hatred towards
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Speaker 2: Jews and Israelis and it's devastating. And on that note,
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Speaker 2: joining me now is Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister sharenn Haskell. Sharen,
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Speaker 2: great to see you again, I just want to get
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Speaker 2: your reaction to those comments by Cold Place, Chris Martin.
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Speaker 2: Do you think they would have made Israelis feel uncomfortable
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Speaker 2: to be told that they're human and they should be
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Speaker 2: treated equally.
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Speaker 6: I think I felt, and I think many Israelis personally
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Speaker 6: felt that humiliated. But to say so, I have to
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Speaker 6: say also that since the beginning of the war, you know,
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Speaker 6: many artists in many countries, we've seen in the media,
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Speaker 6: many organizations in demonstrations, have been dehumanizing Israelis and Jews. Look,
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Speaker 6: this comment is very different to the acceptance and the
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Speaker 6: embracement of Chris martin opening act. The opening act for
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Speaker 6: that band is a Palestinian singer who had you know,
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Speaker 6: anyone can appreciate her music and everything. He's been embracing her.
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Speaker 6: I didn't call her that she's her human being, but
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Speaker 6: at then sending love, you know, and publicly supporting her
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Speaker 6: her work, and obviously you take it for granted. Yes,
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Speaker 6: she's human, of course, But it was only when an
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Speaker 6: Israeli was on his stage that he reacted so differently,
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Speaker 6: so awkwardly. You could see that doesn't come naturally, and
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Speaker 6: you could see that he's very, very carefully picking his
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Speaker 6: words exactly, and if you've been following them, understanding their
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Speaker 6: opening acts, who's been putting on stage, inviting, promoting, I
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Speaker 6: think there's much more to it than what we've actually
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Speaker 6: seen in this clip.
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Speaker 2: Good point. I didn't realize that Sharana. Israel has been
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Speaker 2: fighting a tough war funded by Iran on several fronts
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Speaker 2: over the past couple of years. Did you find it
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Speaker 2: confronting to see the Iranian president welcomed with open arms
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Speaker 2: by China, Russia, North Korea? In total, twenty six nations
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Speaker 2: were at that meeting hosted by President Shee today.
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Speaker 6: Yes, of course. Look, I think that we can see
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Speaker 6: some polarization in the world with everything that's been happening,
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Speaker 6: And what you see in Israel is not just about Israel.
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Speaker 6: Iran has been sending its tentacles all around the world
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Speaker 6: in the European continent, the African continent, the Asian, the
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Speaker 6: American everywhere. They've been supporting radical groups, training them, arming them,
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Speaker 6: financing them. But they're not just fighting on a military front,
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Speaker 6: but also an economical one. On their political influence, they
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Speaker 6: can push through with investments, with you know, assistance, with
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Speaker 6: bribing in many cases as well. And unfortunately, more and
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Speaker 6: more countries are opening their gates to this dangerous, violent regime,
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Speaker 6: and some of them don't understand, you know, the changes
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Speaker 6: that they will face in their own country by this
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Speaker 6: entity radicalizing their own citizens. We see what happens in Nigeria, Somalia.
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Speaker 6: You know, you see Bokoharam al Shabab in Nigeria, thirty
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Speaker 6: Christians are being murdered every single day by those radical
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Speaker 6: groups who many of them Iran is financing, arming and training.
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Speaker 6: It's been very disappointing, and I think that many people,
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Speaker 6: you know, fifty sixty years from now going to be
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Speaker 6: extremely puzzled to see and to try and figure out
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Speaker 6: and understand how such a dangerous jihadist Nazi regime that's
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Speaker 6: abusing women, torturing maybe them, is being welcomed with open
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Speaker 6: arms and accepted that way.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it was a terrible display, particularly today, and
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Speaker 2: I'm going to come back to that topic with other
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Speaker 2: guests a bit later. Sharon, I just want to ask
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Speaker 2: you about some comments that's your strategic Affairs Minister Ron
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Speaker 2: Dermer has reportedly made. He's understood to have said that
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Speaker 2: there is still a deal on the table to bring
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Speaker 2: home ten hostages. Now, Trump has previously said he doesn't
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Speaker 2: want a partial hostage deal, but this is apparently what's
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Speaker 2: on the table. Is this accurate? Where are these negotiations
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Speaker 2: up to.
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Speaker 6: Well, look, Whitcock Putter proposal on the table. Matter of fact,
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Speaker 6: he puts three each time went further, a few steps
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Speaker 6: further towards demands. Israel said yes to all those three proposal,
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Speaker 6: but unfortunately Hamas continued to refuse. And while we were
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Speaker 6: negotiating trying to see whether we can bridge the gaps
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Speaker 6: from wit Cough Loast proposal, all these declaration and the
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Speaker 6: backing of leaders and the European Union, the discussion there
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Speaker 6: when they were backing Hamas by discussions and declarations about
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Speaker 6: Palestinians gave Hamas, you know, a strong understanding that the
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Speaker 6: longer they prolonged this war, the more they will be rewarded.
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Speaker 2: But right now, just because we don't have much time,
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Speaker 2: just right now, is the hostage deal still on the table,
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Speaker 2: could we say ten hostages? Hope?
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Speaker 6: Look, I'm being very cautious because everything that I said
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Speaker 6: can really shake those families who have been longing they
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Speaker 6: loved one t the stands that proposal of Witcraft. You know,
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Speaker 6: you know, if Hamas would have said anything towards it,
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Speaker 6: I think the discussion would have been reopened. But unfortunately,
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Speaker 6: from what I see, Hamas continue in his refusal to
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Speaker 6: go into the proposal that was put by the Americans.
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Speaker 2: All right, Sharan Haskell. Always love having you on the show,
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Speaker 2: and I really appreciate you giving us your time. Thank
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Speaker 2: you so much. Let's bring in our regular Wednesday panel,
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Speaker 2: our former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and labor
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Speaker 2: legend Graham Richardson. Great to see you both, and look,
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Speaker 2: I've got to get your reaction. Starting with you rich Oh,
25:44
Speaker 2: I mean, what was it like seeing Daniel Andrews in
25:48
Speaker 2: that class photo alongside the worst dictators the world currently has.
25:54
Speaker 14: Uncomfortable would be a fair description. I'm disappointed that it's occurring.
26:02
Speaker 14: You know, when you're always judged by the company you keep.
26:05
Speaker 14: Your parents tell you that when you're a little child,
26:08
Speaker 14: and if you look at the company he's keeping, it's
26:11
Speaker 14: not real flash, is it?
26:13
Speaker 2: Yeah? To say the least, it's not real flash, Michael.
26:17
Speaker 2: I think Anastasia made a really Nastagia Palishe made a
26:20
Speaker 2: really good point when she said, it sends mixed diplomatic signals.
26:25
Speaker 2: I think that is especially when Daniel Andrews is so
26:28
Speaker 2: close to Albanizi, they are considered best mates. I think
26:32
Speaker 2: that is an important point. He's not just there on
26:35
Speaker 2: his own, he's he's considered a senior figure in Australian
26:39
Speaker 2: labor politics.
26:42
Speaker 15: Well, it's absolutely no doubt about that. He's not. He's
26:46
Speaker 15: not a nobody. He retired here undefeated, as you say,
26:52
Speaker 15: well well versed in the social left of the Labor Party,
26:56
Speaker 15: close to Albanisi and a number of other senior labor figures.
27:00
Speaker 15: The fact that he's invited to go tells you what
27:02
Speaker 15: the Chinese think of him. I mean, they didn't invite everybody,
27:06
Speaker 15: so they invited him and he went. So yeah, it was,
27:10
Speaker 15: as Richard says, very uncomfortable. I mean, you know, Vladimir
27:12
Speaker 15: Putin and Kim John on one thing, but to be
27:16
Speaker 15: photographed with the president of Iran, that's Daniel. That's really
27:20
Speaker 15: scraping the bottom of the barrel. And you know, I
27:25
Speaker 15: obviously I don't know what he was thinking. Why this
27:29
Speaker 15: stage of his life would he want to photograph with
27:31
Speaker 15: that rogues gallery the most corrupt repressive, murderous regimes in
27:37
Speaker 15: the world and a form of Victorian premieries happen to
27:39
Speaker 15: be photographed with them. What was he thinking, Richard?
27:44
Speaker 2: Do you think Albanez he should have been stronger in
27:47
Speaker 2: his language today? I mean, he obviously doesn't want to
27:49
Speaker 2: a fan China, but should he have been stronger?
27:52
Speaker 14: No, I think he could have been stronger. Look, I
27:55
Speaker 14: think this is a serious matter and sometimes you know
28:00
Speaker 14: you've got to take risks, you've got to go a
28:02
Speaker 14: bit further than you normally would because a point of
28:06
Speaker 14: principle is involved, and it's certainly involved here.
28:11
Speaker 2: I mean it also seems I don't know if you
28:13
Speaker 2: both heard my editorial at the start of the show,
28:16
Speaker 2: but it also seems like he may have misled Parliament today,
28:20
Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, because the News Otherlands police senior officials have
28:24
Speaker 2: confirmed that the Isis brides will be coming to Australia.
28:28
Speaker 2: Alban Easy today denied the report. Do you think there
28:31
Speaker 2: is a case here, Michael, Well, the New.
28:36
Speaker 15: South Wales Police are clearly wrong, the ill informed and
28:40
Speaker 15: misinformed chari because the Prime Minister made it abundantly clear
28:44
Speaker 15: without any doubt and then refer to his earlier answer
28:48
Speaker 15: where he said those reports from Leam Mendees were wrong
28:50
Speaker 15: in the Australian. So the isis brides are obviously not
28:54
Speaker 15: coming because the Prime Minister said they're not. So I
28:57
Speaker 15: don't know whether the New South Wales police are getting
28:59
Speaker 15: the information limits informed.
29:01
Speaker 2: We hope a bit of a sarcastic tone there, obviously
29:06
Speaker 2: for viewers who don't know you well enough, Michael Richo.
29:09
Speaker 2: If the Coalition come after alban Easy tomorrow for misleading parliament,
29:13
Speaker 2: would they have a case.
29:17
Speaker 14: I guess they'd have some sort of a case. They'd
29:18
Speaker 14: certainly be able to argue it. But you know, both
29:24
Speaker 14: sides look at these things very differently, and I think
29:28
Speaker 14: I think Alba will survive it, not just on the numbers,
29:33
Speaker 14: but because I don't think the majority of Australians, or
29:38
Speaker 14: a great number of Australians even are focused on this issue.
29:42
Speaker 2: Of isis brides, iss brides.
29:47
Speaker 14: I don't go to you know, I don't go a
29:50
Speaker 14: day thinking about isis brides.
29:51
Speaker 2: I was just in the front page of the paper today.
29:55
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean a day. There's a lot of days
29:59
Speaker 14: in the year there are.
30:01
Speaker 2: I do think it's a big story, Michael, because it
30:04
Speaker 2: goes to the repeated pattern of national security, the inconsistencies,
30:09
Speaker 2: the hypocrisy of who the government lets into the country
30:11
Speaker 2: and who it doesn't.
30:14
Speaker 15: Of course it does. Now, of course there is as
30:17
Speaker 15: we've heard earlier tonight, potentially a legal issue if they're
30:20
Speaker 15: Australian citizens. But Michael Costum made this point quite correctly.
30:23
Speaker 15: But yeah, they should be charged if they land here,
30:26
Speaker 15: they should be charged. Surely it's against the law to
30:30
Speaker 15: flee Australia, to join with a terrorist organization, participate in
30:37
Speaker 15: one way or another in the activities of ISIS, and
30:39
Speaker 15: then want to come back home to Australia. And surely
30:41
Speaker 15: that's a criminal offense to participate in the activities of
30:46
Speaker 15: a terrorist organization one way or the other, or to
30:49
Speaker 15: consort with them, or to give it aid and comfort
30:51
Speaker 15: to them. So of course they shouldn't be brought back
30:55
Speaker 15: into Australia. I mean, but this is the problem we
30:59
Speaker 15: see in Australia today that the Albanize government has such
31:05
Speaker 15: a large proportion of the Muslim vote that support them
31:09
Speaker 15: that regrettably you're probably going to see a large proportion
31:12
Speaker 15: of those Muslims, especially in New South Wales, want want
31:18
Speaker 15: the Isis brides back in here, they would forgive them,
31:21
Speaker 15: whereas I think the majority of the non Muslim Australians
31:24
Speaker 15: would think this was a terrible thinking coming back here.
31:27
Speaker 15: But the Albanezi government, as we know in Nisath Wales,
31:30
Speaker 15: as a prisoner to those voters, as evidence by bringing
31:36
Speaker 15: three thousand people from Gaza, which was I think the
31:40
Speaker 15: second largest import of people from Gaza in the world
31:45
Speaker 15: after Belgium. So this is a part of the track
31:48
Speaker 15: record and it tells you who influences the Albanese government.
31:53
Speaker 2: It's a very difficult issue, but I think the bottom
31:55
Speaker 2: line is we do need more information. You know, is
31:58
Speaker 2: there still a security risk? Is there still a radicalization issue?
32:01
Speaker 2: I mean we simply do not know because there is
32:05
Speaker 2: no transparency from the government, right rich O Michael, Great
32:09
Speaker 2: to see you as always on a Wednesday.
32:11
Speaker 15: Thanks Sherry.
32:12
Speaker 2: Now after the break alban easy lashes out it Dan
32:15
Speaker 2: Tian for asking why he was welcome back and Jodi
32:19
Speaker 2: Minow is retired Australian Army major general and seeing your
32:22
Speaker 2: military fellow at the Lowe Institute, Mick Ryan McK general,
32:26
Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time tonight. Look, I
32:29
Speaker 2: was really fascinated when I was watching the parade today
32:32
Speaker 2: to see this display of incredible weaponry. You know, we
32:36
Speaker 2: know China has been investing in its military modernization for
32:40
Speaker 2: the past decade, but for the first time, to see
32:42
Speaker 2: it like this, I found personally extraordinary, which is why
32:46
Speaker 2: I was so keen to have you on the show tonight.
32:49
Speaker 2: You've looked at the weapons carefully this afternoon. Can you
32:52
Speaker 2: tell us which of the new technologies that we should
32:56
Speaker 2: be worried about?
32:58
Speaker 16: Well, it's good to be with you tonight. Think that
33:01
Speaker 16: there weren't too many surprises today, even if they were
33:04
Speaker 16: new weapons. There'd been lots of speculation and photos on
33:08
Speaker 16: social media and other areas over the last six months
33:12
Speaker 16: or so. A couple of areas I think stood out
33:14
Speaker 16: for me. New long range intercontinental ballistic missiles for China's
33:20
Speaker 16: expanding nuclear arsenal. They're more than tripling their nuclear arsenal
33:24
Speaker 16: over the next five to ten years. Also, the huge
33:28
Speaker 16: array of uncrued weapons systems aerial maritime submersible as well
33:34
Speaker 16: as robotic dogs and robotic thinks that weren't getting as
33:38
Speaker 16: much attention. This also demonstrates, you know, the character of
33:41
Speaker 16: war has changed over the last few years, Ukraine has
33:44
Speaker 16: led the way, and China has learned many of the
33:47
Speaker 16: lessons from that war in its uncrewed systems programs.
33:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really interesting point because early on we
33:53
Speaker 2: ought Russia was going to be able to win the
33:56
Speaker 2: war against Ukraine very quickly. That didn't turn out to
33:59
Speaker 2: be the case. So you know, this uncrude element, unmanned
34:04
Speaker 2: element that is therefore really important. We've seen Ukraine use
34:08
Speaker 2: some of the unmanned drones to great success against Russia.
34:13
Speaker 16: Yeah, we have, but it doesn't replace humans, and it
34:16
Speaker 16: doesn't replace a whole lot of traditional systems. What they
34:18
Speaker 16: do is extend the capacity of human beings. And as
34:22
Speaker 16: we saw from this parade, the Chinese still intend using
34:26
Speaker 16: things like fighter jets and crude tanks and armored vehicles.
34:30
Speaker 16: But these tanks and armored vehicles in particular look very different.
34:33
Speaker 16: They've got a lot of drone protection. Some of them
34:36
Speaker 16: even had drones mounted on them. So what we're seeing
34:39
Speaker 16: is the meshing of robotic systems, humans, and traditional warp
34:43
Speaker 16: fighting equipment.
34:45
Speaker 2: Now, in your view, is what we saw today, including
34:48
Speaker 2: some of that technology that you just spoke about, is
34:50
Speaker 2: that more advanced than what the United States is developing
34:55
Speaker 2: or lass advance were about the same.
34:58
Speaker 16: Well, I think a lot of it is probably newer.
35:02
Speaker 16: Whether it's more modern and more sophisticated depends on whether
35:05
Speaker 16: you can get under the hood of these things. But
35:07
Speaker 16: the average age of the Chinese equipment is much newer
35:10
Speaker 16: than that in many Western infant trees. I think the
35:14
Speaker 16: real lesson here is that China no longer relies on
35:18
Speaker 16: anyone for the research, development, production of military equipment. That's
35:23
Speaker 16: probably another lesson from the Ukraine War. Never put the
35:26
Speaker 16: fate of your hands in foreign countries that are providing
35:29
Speaker 16: weapons with strings attached.
35:32
Speaker 2: I also want to ask you about the size of
35:34
Speaker 2: what we saw. I mean to an average person like me.
35:38
Speaker 2: I mean that's the amount of equipment. The sheer number
35:43
Speaker 2: of the soldiers seemed enormous. You know, what did you think?
35:47
Speaker 2: Was that more than you'd expect it?
35:51
Speaker 16: No, it was about a part for the course, And
35:54
Speaker 16: as someone once said, quantity has a quality all of
35:57
Speaker 16: its own. But I would put a in that that
36:01
Speaker 16: the ability to synchronize large numbers of goose stepping troops
36:06
Speaker 16: has historically not been a predictor of success, as Nazi
36:10
Speaker 16: Germany and the Soviet Union in the Cold War found out.
36:14
Speaker 2: Just quickly, coming back to your comment earlier when you
36:16
Speaker 2: spoke about how China plans to triple its nuclear arsenal
36:21
Speaker 2: over the coming years. This is something we do need
36:25
Speaker 2: to be highly concerned about in our region, isn't it absolutely?
36:30
Speaker 16: I mean, just as Putin has used his nuclear arsenal
36:33
Speaker 16: to saber rattle and shape the decision making of European
36:37
Speaker 16: and American leaders, we should expect that the Chinese leader
36:40
Speaker 16: has been watching that and may use the same kind
36:43
Speaker 16: of behavior in the future against regional countries. But you
36:47
Speaker 16: don't have to use nuclear weapons to use the thread
36:50
Speaker 16: of them.
36:52
Speaker 2: General mcrahan really genuinely appreciate your expertise. Thank you so
36:56
Speaker 2: much for your help.
36:58
Speaker 6: Thank you.
36:58
Speaker 2: Great to be with him, and still to come. The
37:01
Speaker 2: Prime Minister lost his call when Dantean touched a nerve
37:05
Speaker 2: asking about the farmers who chased the PM out of
37:08
Speaker 2: Ballarat or Danteen is going to be on the show
37:10
Speaker 2: after this quick break welcome back. There was a war
37:19
Speaker 2: of words between the Prime Minister and Shadow Energy Minister
37:22
Speaker 2: Dantean in Parliament yesterday. This just because Albanezy was asked
37:27
Speaker 2: why he was chased out of Ballarat by angry farmers.
37:31
Speaker 2: Have a look, here was Danteen explaining afterwards.
37:42
Speaker 1: So I got up and took a point of order,
37:45
Speaker 1: as you do, and said, Pam, get back to the
37:47
Speaker 1: question and tell us why you were run out of town.
37:51
Speaker 1: And of course he then went on and blamed everyone else.
37:53
Speaker 1: So I interjected and I said, you know, quite loudly
37:58
Speaker 1: that it reminded me a little bit bit of a scene,
38:00
Speaker 1: like a scene out of Chariot's a Fire. Now, the
38:03
Speaker 1: PM he must have had a little bit of a
38:05
Speaker 1: glass jaw, because the treasurers seemed to laugh, and everyone
38:09
Speaker 1: behind me laughed. But the PM just turned around and
38:13
Speaker 1: just out of the blue just said you're a.
38:15
Speaker 2: Coward, and Dan Tin joins me. Now, Dan, welcome to
38:20
Speaker 2: the program. So Prime Minister clearly very sensitive about the
38:26
Speaker 2: angry farmers who chased him out of Balarat over the
38:30
Speaker 2: issue of renewed books.
38:33
Speaker 1: Very very sensitive and showed a complete glass jaw. As
38:38
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, he doesn't like being reminded as
38:42
Speaker 1: to what happened to him. And it's incredibly disappointing because
38:47
Speaker 1: you'll remember inside the forum he looked the audience in
38:52
Speaker 1: the eye and said, you know, and this was his
38:54
Speaker 1: language and not language that I would normally use on
38:57
Speaker 1: your show, Shari, but I'm not going to bullshet you.
39:00
Speaker 1: And yet here he is a few days later when
39:04
Speaker 1: we ask him why we run out of town chased
39:07
Speaker 1: by tractors, and he could not respond.
39:11
Speaker 6: He could not look.
39:12
Speaker 1: The Australian people in the eye and tell them the
39:15
Speaker 1: reasons why. And there were multiple reasons, social license issues,
39:20
Speaker 1: to do with transmission lines, to do with renewables, the
39:23
Speaker 1: fact he's done nothing for an area that's been stricken
39:26
Speaker 1: by drought both Western Victoria and South Australia, hasn't delivered
39:30
Speaker 1: road funding. There are numerous issues and people have had enough.
39:35
Speaker 1: And you know, he was also reminded that he should
39:37
Speaker 1: say to the premieres Cinter Allen, drop your fire services levy,
39:42
Speaker 1: which is taxing volunteer firefighters who keep the Victorian community safe.
39:48
Speaker 1: And you know, it was no wonder that the farmers
39:53
Speaker 1: wanted to chase him out of town. And I think
39:55
Speaker 1: if he came again, they do exactly the same thing.
39:58
Speaker 1: And he has to own up and under stand that
40:01
Speaker 1: that's the reason why that's happening is because of the
40:04
Speaker 1: policies of his government and the labor government in Victoria, and.
40:08
Speaker 2: The farmers also very angry in that Q and a
40:10
Speaker 2: session that Albanezi had with the Herald Sun editor Sam Weere,
40:15
Speaker 2: and you know they at times farmers just wouldn't let
40:17
Speaker 2: him get a word in because they're so furious about
40:21
Speaker 2: the way they've been treated over this. I want to
40:24
Speaker 2: ask you, though the government is expected to announce their
40:27
Speaker 2: twenty thirty five targets in the next week, even I mean,
40:32
Speaker 2: it's meant to happen very soon. They were initially meant
40:34
Speaker 2: to announce their targets in March. They obviously delayed it
40:38
Speaker 2: until after the election. They didn't want it to become
40:40
Speaker 2: a political issue. Are you expecting these to be extremely
40:44
Speaker 2: ambitious in the vicinity of sixty five to seventy five percent?
40:50
Speaker 1: I am shari, I'm anticipating it'll be between sixty eight
40:54
Speaker 1: percent and seventy three percent. That's the information that I've
40:59
Speaker 1: been told and what it means, and what it means
41:03
Speaker 1: is these are incredibly steep targets and it shows once
41:07
Speaker 1: again this is all about show. The government didn't want
41:12
Speaker 1: to release them before the election, so it showed how
41:15
Speaker 1: much it meant to them the fact that they were
41:17
Speaker 1: happy to postpone them for six months. And my understanding
41:21
Speaker 1: is the reason why they're hanging on now is because
41:24
Speaker 1: they want to wait and see whether they'll host the
41:27
Speaker 1: next COP or not. So they're not interested in emissions reduction.
41:31
Speaker 1: They're more worried about whether Chris Bowen will be able
41:35
Speaker 1: to chair COP and strut around like a peacock or not.
41:40
Speaker 1: But it does seem now that they have to by
41:43
Speaker 1: the end of this month announce them. And there's a
41:45
Speaker 1: couple of important things here. First of all, we're not
41:48
Speaker 1: on track to meet out twenty thirty targets. We're not
41:52
Speaker 1: on track to meet an eighty two percent renewable's grid
41:56
Speaker 1: by twenty thirty, which is a key part of them
41:59
Speaker 1: meeting twenty thirty emissions reduction. And if they go for
42:03
Speaker 1: a figure like sixty eight to seventy three percent for
42:07
Speaker 1: their twenty thirty five target, there is no way known
42:11
Speaker 1: that they're able going to be able to meet those targets.
42:14
Speaker 1: So it's all complete show.
42:17
Speaker 2: So if your position is that those are too high,
42:22
Speaker 2: what do you think the twenty thirty five targets should be.
42:28
Speaker 1: Well, we're not going to do what the Labor Party did.
42:31
Speaker 1: You'll remember when the Labor Party were in opposition, they
42:34
Speaker 1: commissioned Reputechs to do modeling and when you're in government,
42:39
Speaker 1: you should do the economic model and the costs of
42:41
Speaker 1: all these things. They did it in opposition and they
42:44
Speaker 1: said that they could meet their target of forty three
42:48
Speaker 1: percent emission reduction by on a two thousand and five
42:52
Speaker 1: baseline while also reducing electricity prices by two hundred and
42:57
Speaker 1: seventy five dollars by the end of this year. Now
43:02
Speaker 1: they have walked away from that modeling. It was a
43:05
Speaker 1: complete fantasy. So we will set our targets when we're
43:10
Speaker 1: in government, and we'll use some very simple principles to
43:14
Speaker 1: do it. If you're going to set a target, you've
43:16
Speaker 1: got it.
43:17
Speaker 6: Sorry Esjr.
43:18
Speaker 2: No I apologize, But if you are going to argue
43:21
Speaker 2: against their targets, then surely you need to know what
43:25
Speaker 2: you think the targets should be. If you're saying sixty
43:28
Speaker 2: eight to seventy three percent is too high, which most
43:30
Speaker 2: people would agree with you that it's just unrealistic, then
43:33
Speaker 2: surely you have to be able to argue the case
43:35
Speaker 2: for what it should be.
43:38
Speaker 1: Well, we have to make sure that what we do
43:42
Speaker 1: we can meet and B we've got to make sure
43:46
Speaker 1: that it won't cost jobs, that it won't drive up
43:50
Speaker 1: energy prices, that will make sure that we remain internationally competitive.
43:55
Speaker 1: And if you're going to do all those things, you've
43:58
Speaker 1: got to make sure that you're doing proper economic modeling
44:01
Speaker 1: which looks at the cost of what you're doing.
44:04
Speaker 9: Now.
44:06
Speaker 1: The now government did that in opposition and it was
44:09
Speaker 1: a complete disaster. They've had to rip up that modeling
44:13
Speaker 1: and say that it's no longer fit for purpose. So
44:17
Speaker 1: we're not going to do that. We're going to be
44:19
Speaker 1: honest with the Australian people and say will set the
44:22
Speaker 1: targets when we're in government, and we'll take into account
44:26
Speaker 1: a number of factors which are absolutely critical, including making
44:31
Speaker 1: sure that we aren't driving electricity and gas prices through
44:36
Speaker 1: the roof. Like what's happening right here and.
44:39
Speaker 2: Now, just very quickly before you go, I reported on
44:43
Speaker 2: the show tonight that both the acting new Southew's Police
44:45
Speaker 2: Commissioner and the Deputy new Southele's Police Commissioner have confirmed
44:50
Speaker 2: that they've had conversations with the AFP and the Commonwealth
44:53
Speaker 2: about the arrival of Isis Brides. The Prime Minister today
44:56
Speaker 2: called that report inaccurate in parliament. Will you go Will
45:00
Speaker 2: the Coalition go after him tomorrow for misleading the parliament?
45:05
Speaker 6: Well?
45:06
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean once again we've got the Prime Minister
45:10
Speaker 1: being incredibly loose with the truth. I mean, and this
45:15
Speaker 1: is in the Parliament. I was there today and he
45:18
Speaker 1: denied those reports. Now it'll be very interesting to see
45:22
Speaker 1: what tricky language he uses to try and worm out
45:27
Speaker 1: of this one. I mean, once again, it puts to fallacy.
45:30
Speaker 1: And these were his own words, this idea that he's
45:33
Speaker 1: set in Ballarat when before he was chased out of
45:36
Speaker 1: town by the tractors, that he wouldn't bullshit people. Well
45:40
Speaker 1: here he is now in the Parliament today, I'm doing
45:45
Speaker 1: exactly that, Like he did on whether delivering two hundred
45:48
Speaker 1: and seventy five dollars relief to your energy bill, like
45:51
Speaker 1: he did on you know that the nz YQ detainees
45:56
Speaker 1: that they're now trying to dealer in it scene like
46:00
Speaker 1: he has absolutely misled the Parliament. Now once again we'll
46:04
Speaker 1: wait to see how he tries to squirm his way
46:07
Speaker 1: out of this. But I think there's a pattern of
46:10
Speaker 1: behavior that we're starting to see from the Prime ministry,
46:13
Speaker 1: and that is he thinks he's holier than now. He
46:15
Speaker 1: thinks he's got this grand majority, that he's above everyone else.
46:19
Speaker 1: He can say and do what he likes, and yet
46:22
Speaker 1: we are going to have to make sure that we're
46:24
Speaker 1: holding him too account. Like you are extremely well on
46:27
Speaker 1: your show.
46:28
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. All right, Dan, great to have
46:30
Speaker 2: you on. Thank you Now. Still to come way early
46:33
Speaker 2: with drols from superannuation? Is it record levels? Economist David
46:38
Speaker 2: Pearl would join us next and Johnny Midour former Treasury
46:45
Speaker 2: Secretary David Pearl. David the ATO is warning that the
46:49
Speaker 2: number of people trying to access their super under compassionate
46:53
Speaker 2: grounds so accessing it early, has increased above seventy five
46:57
Speaker 2: percent since before the pandemic. Is this a concern at
47:01
Speaker 2: all or why do you think there's more people trying
47:03
Speaker 2: to access their super early?
47:07
Speaker 17: Thanks for having me on, Shari. Look, I don't know.
47:11
Speaker 17: I imagine that many of the people that are withdrawing
47:14
Speaker 17: from super are doing so to fund important medical procedures.
47:19
Speaker 17: I think that's one of the exemptions. If you like
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Speaker 17: that people can take advantage of to take control of
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Speaker 17: their funds. But you know, I'm not in favor of
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Speaker 17: compulsory superannuation. I think it's ridiculously paternalistic. I think people
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Speaker 17: are far better able to judge whether they should spend
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Speaker 17: on medical procedures or save than government compulsion. So you know,
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Speaker 17: I think it's their money, and if they want to withdraw,
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Speaker 17: it's not a bad thing.
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Speaker 2: Interesting, I want to ask you about the National Account's
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Speaker 2: data today. It shows that the economy grew zero point
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Speaker 2: six percent of the three months to June. This takes
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Speaker 2: out your growth. My understanding is to one point eight percent,
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Speaker 2: which is better than the markets we're expecting. Is a
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Speaker 2: good outcome? Is this the outcome you're expecting or is
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Speaker 2: there some underlying factors such as business investment that isn't
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Speaker 2: as strong.
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Speaker 17: We're right, Sharry. I think Michelle Bullock probably choked on
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Speaker 17: her corn flex this morning when she saw just how
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Speaker 17: strong consumer demand had been in the Jute quarter. The RBA,
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Speaker 17: in cutting rates three times, was banking on a gradual
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Speaker 17: strengthening of consumer demand. But in the June quarter we
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Speaker 17: saw it grow very strongly. Now we shouldn't get too
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Speaker 17: excited about one quarter. Let's see what the trend unfolds.
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Speaker 17: But if this is sustained, given the poor supply capacity
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Speaker 17: in economy, with full employment, no spare capacity, very low
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Speaker 17: investment and productivity, it's going to be easy to tip
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Speaker 17: the economy over into inflation. If this strong demand is sustained,
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Speaker 17: and if the RBA has to raise rates again, I
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Speaker 17: think its credibility takes a huge hit.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it will, indeed. I mean people are now starting
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Speaker 2: to expect that rates will start to fall, so if
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Speaker 2: they tick back up or they're on hold, there will
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Speaker 2: be a lot of disappointment. David Pearl, sorry it was
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Speaker 2: so shot tonight. I appreciate you coming in and speaking
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Speaker 2: to us. Thank you so much for your time, and
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Speaker 2: I'll see you on the show tomorrow night at eight o'clock.
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Speaker 2: And right now, of course, there's always in the man
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Speaker 2: Cave the amount of the hour. He's got a big
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Speaker 2: guest coming on, so stay tuned. Poor Murray